Extremely thorough, quality of testing is far beyond the level of subscribers.

I love to hear the kiddos out with pops :)

"Quieter...for the kids". Thumbs up for that one.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

he provided some commentary at one point in regards to using the suppressor :D

Very thorough and informative thank you

Great content. Thanks.

Music is so fitting. It’s funny too watching a plate get rekt. Glad I got one. For people watching it took them only 2 weeks to get it to my door. 😍

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Epic

Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I know it took a lot of effort and I appreciate that! Just subbed 🙏

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! I truly appreciate it.

Thank you for another great video

Wow. Just truly an amazing video. Love the detail - perfect for people that really like to dig deep into products before they buy them.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Awesome test! Thanks for review.

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure..

Fantastic video. These are my favorite types of videos by far.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Upvoted for the honesty at 2:08’👍

Great review!

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great video presentation! Thanks for sharing!

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

Pretty much need level IV nowadays It’s cheaper than most level 3+ plates anyways

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

but depending on a few factors heavier :(

@TheSkinnyMechanic

4 жыл бұрын

Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. I’m not a rich man so definitely going to be heavier lol. But it’ll stop everything I’ll likely be shot at with. (I’ll probably get headshot now smh)

@supermandav

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkinnyMechanic there is a baseball cap. from bulletsafe. $100

@mrstormuk

3 жыл бұрын

supermandav great! Better stock up on the crayons and coloring books

@MobileAura

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much not carrying around 20 pounds of plates. No thank you. Bet this could potentially stop m855a1 if it was brand new first shot and hadn’t been shot 50 times. 4.5 pounds is still bordering on too heavy but 3+ is more than enough ffs.

Knocked it out of the park! Great video.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

awesome review, thanks for the data

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Most professional test ever!!! Awesome Armor as well!

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! I try my best to keep this consistency with my armor testing.

great video. i just grabbed a set, was worried i didn’t spend enough, or that there was a common round i was missing. but thanks to your video i can sleep soundly

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Right on! Thanks! That's what I'm here for.

These plates are badass

Thanks a lot for testing this plate for us and for sharing the results! I have been looking for a test of exactly this plate for a pretty long time!! Would've been lovely if it stopped M855A1 out of the 16" barrel, I would have probably instantly ordered a set under those circumstances. They would just need to slightly increase the thickness of the ceramic strike face and maybe reduce the PE part/ padding a bit, then this plate would be almost perfect.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

I've asked them to test that theory (thicker .180" ceramic and less PE) to see if how it performs. Maybe it will be an SRT plate, but I feel the m80 ball results would still meet backface

@-Turtl3_

4 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE That would be very interesting indeed. I really want to thank you again for your work.. it's always nice to find people who know their stuff and who are able to ask the right questions. I wish you all the best luck that your channel grows in the future :)

It would be great to see you test 6.5 creedmoor on some plates, since it’s not an NIJ requirement but is a popular round in rural areas

thats a beast plate

Excellent

thanks for this, I just received mine a couple weeks ago, glad to have a timely display of its capability! EDIT This plate is definitely a bit thicker, but it fits easily in my LBT 6094, even leaving in the thin foam pads the carrier comes with, in case anyone is wondering how it works with that PC.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

Waiting for mine to ship :)

Ordering now

After alot of research these seem to be the best price/quality and closest to level 4. I'll be purchasing these soon. Thank you sir

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

These will serve you well!

Some common barriers would be cool too! Cars,drywall fridge,maybe a what would help stop a bullet in your house kinda thing idk

@highspeed9518

4 жыл бұрын

And Paul does very well with them videos,I wonder what buffman could do to get more views........

That A1 It went through I bet, no pun intended. 🙏🏽🤣

Would be interesting to see some fast hunting calibers used for armor testing. Thanks for your videos!

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Like 300 WM?

@doejohn8674

4 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE or .270 Winchester, whatever you can lay your hands on :)

Also remember, every time the ceramic gets shot it shatters more and becomes less effective

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

indeed. In this case with how thin the ceramic is on this model, most of the rounds punch clean through it, and leave it intact, but with thicker ceramic indeed, each shot degrades it.

Sold me a couple of these plates. For the price that's some fantastic protection.

@MobileAura

3 жыл бұрын

Yup and made in usa

I have some 2012 headstamp stuff

Great review. Not sure why the level III+ ceramic is much more expensive than their level IV. I see it is a bit lighter, but I don't mind a few extra pounds to get more protection at a lower cost. After much research I see that RMA Armament is the way to go for me.

@cc-vg4ed

3 жыл бұрын

With armor ounces = pounds. Material to make lighter stuff, even if a lower level, costs must more. This is for all manufacturers. For example the RMA 1155, Hesco 4400, Highcom 4SAS7 are all similarly built and within $100 of each other as low cost level IV. They are simple to make and the material doesn't cost as much as level III+ or level III plates.

@SWebb-tg1ki

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing, big price difference

Another good video, I like you seem to be am more interested in what I need to defeat a plate than what it will stop. Assume most threats will have milspec M193, M855 or M80 as few of us have access to enough M855A1 and M80A1 to keep rifles loaded up with the upper tier ammo. I switched my four favorite overt rifle kits to NIJ 4 when the new next door neighbor moved in and proved was a poor shot often taking up to four or five shots at deer in his back yard with max range of 75 yards to fence line using a 742 in 30-06. It's also his home defense rifle which he uses ten round mags and if we have an issue that brings us both out to investigate I was not comfortable if his lack of night vision mistook me for a threat and mag dumped on me with his '06 so my ready kits all got NIJ 4 plates. In the remote chance of a home invasion with perps wearing mid grade rifle armor or better have two plate shredders handy. Living next to my recliner is a 16" AR 10 in 7.62×51 with suppressor, binary trigger and 50 round drum of M80A1. Am a fan of 22 Nosler and have built two 18" Mk 12 Mod O/H clones and a 20" HBAR clone in the hotrod Nosler cartridge. Have some longer barrel varmint rigs in 22 Nosler but for my military clones have worked up a load using M855A1 projectiles pushed by Reloader 15 that have an average velocity out of the Mk 12 clones of 3,350 fps and shoot a little faster out of the HBAR chronographed without suppressors. Push your M855A1 pills an extra 200+ fps and they become plate eaters for most any armor a threat could wear and still be mobile. Have also loaded M855A1 projectiles in 308 cases using sabots to a velocity of 3,700 fps and keep a couple mags for each of my MBR varients on their load bearing kits as armor shredders. Can load them much faster but accuracy suffers greatly if try to get near or break 4,000 fps out of M855 or M855A1 using sabots in 308. If I remember you loaded up on M855A1 pulls when they were available at a fair price as well so if have a 22 Nosler or 224 Valkyrie may want to work up a few and test for kicks as well as loading some in sabots and pushing them really fast out of a 308. Huey saying hello, www.CoolAR15.com

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Michael, are you willing to share your 308 sabot m855a1 recipe? I abandoned trying them in 300 WM as that was WAY TOO fast. Curious about barrel twist rate.

@Michael-zg4jt

4 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Will look up my recipe when have some spare time and send it via PM over where the neer-do-wells hang out. Issue with sqbots they give opportunity to push light projectiles so fast with large cases most get greedy and give up when realize they can't build a rail gun. Using a powder that gives 70% case fill and 3,600 to 3,800 fps in 308 with a 1:10 twist and can stabilize them in many rifles. Works much better in brass sabots like the military uses but are almost impossible to find and my brass sabot inventory is down to just a few dozen left. Nylon sabots can be tricky so user must think outside the box as well.

@Michael-zg4jt

4 жыл бұрын

Go over to Ammunition discussion section at the neer-do-well site and have begun a thread on the subject. Had to dig through my notes and not just my recipe book to do more than name a powder and charge. Luckily Lapua used to offer a 73 grain 308 projectile in a 308 Win offering both as factory loaded and as a component. The only company that published data on the 73 grain projectile was VihtaVuori Oy with N 110, N 120 and N 130 powders. The N 110 is so fast I never tried it as afraid of a flash over with a light charge causing a KaBoom. Also gave other tips on what it takes to make nylon sabots happy. Huey

@Michael-zg4jt

4 жыл бұрын

As an FYI build something to protect your chronograph or the sabots will break stuff. I have almost always used an Oehler 35P so only had to worry about breaking sky screens. I prefer a chronograph with the extra proof channel to ensure results are correct. I did just order a Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph Premium Kit so I can set up a system like yours with a monitor plus ordered a third GoPro camera and going to attempt some videos myself on oddball stuff that some folks may find of interest. Huey

I feel as you were very surprised and kind of disappointed that there was no pass through after the final 8 shots of 855! "catch me at the range" I think RMA just caught you at the range. How bout dat.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I would have figured with all those hits there would have been a pass through :D. RMA just builds sick ass plates!

yes, i like your armor tests. were the last 8 green tip? was the picture in picture a green tip?

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it was. Some SS109/M855 lacks a green painted tip. The picture I have for the PIP is IIRC Fiocchi SS109.

@Davidautofull

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE thanks.

What's the sick metal tune in the beginning?

What did you do, shoot some Skittles at the plate?😄

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Taste the rainbow.

still going to stick with my CATI level III+ plates no need to upgrade until rounds get straight up silly like the Army's new 6.8 round and the .338 normal magnum machine gun.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

True. Given that you keep distance, most of these rounds are going to drop to thresholds that the III+ will handle just fine. I want to test some 338LM this year against armor :D

@nemisous83

4 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE well mine are the steel variety but yeah at most realistic distances most of these round arent traveling fast enough to exceed the threat level of the plate.

You almost ruined that birds day lol.

What is the main difference between NIJ and RF testing protocols? I heard LTC 27400 ICW 'Swimmer Cut' plates has been tested through NIJ and more 'tough' DEA testing procedures. I had a few pairs of those and they doing pretty good despite thin backing screen.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

The RF1/2/3 are just to replace NIJ III and NIJ IV. The RF standards are part of the NIJ. I would have to read about the DEA ratings.

Kenosha DA: no one runs around the body armor BUFFMAN: 🙄🙄

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

:)

Great review and very truthful and informative.. is this the same plate as the 1090 model?

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

yes. The 1090-1093 are just the different sizes and curved models

I went with the rma 1090 (basically same plate).. while level 4 would be great.. most in a reasonable price range weight 8+ pounds a piece.. thats 16+ pnds for 2 plates alone not including mags.. plate carrier.. first aid.. etc.. the 1090s are 4.5lbs a piece cutting basically half the weight.. while still being able to stop m855/193/ak etc.. Level 4 that weight 4.5 lbs surely 800$+ per plate.. where these come in at 250 ish.. if u got the 1k a plate to pay sure get the lught level 4.. but think the 1090s are the best compromise of weight/stopping/and cost... People underestimate how hard it is to walk or do anything with 16+ pnds of plates.. ur mobility goes to shit.. so ur basically a slow barely maneuverable target

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed you are definitely spot on :D

Do you think a level 3a backer would of helped stop 16" m855A1? Or do you think it still would of zipped through?

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

that core maintained it's shape pretty well. hard to say. If I get another in for testing, I will remember to start bringing the IIIA backers.

Do you think you'll ever test the hesco 4800? From what I've read a lot of people like it and it's crazy light for a level IV plate.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to work on a contact for that. at $1200 a plate that would be my entire earnings for a year :(

@thealize808

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE and for the price you think they'd be like 4lbs

Hey Buffman, I was wondering if you'll consider testing one of the Hesco L210 special threat plates, they're growing in popularity now because of their extreme thinness and light weight for a ceramic plate but are only rated for intermediate calibers. I was wondering how effective, if at all, the plate would be at stopping a .308 with the help of a Kevlar backer. There's not many tests online and it would be pretty interesting, thanks!

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

I'll start saving some $$ on the side to buy them, as Hesco has no intention with probably ever working with me.

@justin01miller

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE T Rex arms has them for $370 for a pair. Have you done any testing yet?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

@@justin01miller I have a set coming but will be 8-12 weeks lead time.

@justin01miller

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE awesome!

I think I read somewhere that a 2 inch deformation in clay means the captured round will most likely still kill you

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

44 mm in properly calibrated clay is considered a failure of the plate to adequately stop a round even if the bullet doesn't penetrate the plate. My clay is only a representation, and real calibrate clay could show more.

@cc-vg4ed

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE 44mm(1.7inch) per NIJ requirement. Some military requirements are 53mm (2.08inch)

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

@@cc-vg4ed Correct.

Witnessed A1 test in 82 try steel.

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

?

Curious on the M855A1 out of the 16” barrel, do you think it would be stopped if it had a Level IIIA plate backer behind the plate as well?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Likely no. The ceramic is not thick enough to degrade the hardened tip.

@azdave7177

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE well, that sucks. Still impressive for that plate though. Sounds like the M855A1 is more of a Level IV RF3 rating than Level III+ RF2 rating. Thanks to your video and other research, I have purchased a set of these plates (M SAPI) for my lightweight PC setup. Much nicer than my Level IV ceramics. Haha

Dam m855 went through. Better get level 4

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

M855A1. A1 is different than M855.

@thealize808

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE ahhhh ok. Very true. Thank you.

I wonder if the results would have been the same if you would have been shooting from the correct side of the rifle?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Left side is more powerful!

Of course no wonder why they don't sell those outside the military and law enforcement to civilians. I've shot hundreds of those new A1 rounds back in basic training 2 years ago. 🤔🙏🏽

@teddydavid2816

4 жыл бұрын

Civi's can't buy these?

@BIGALEX_DRDOOM

4 жыл бұрын

@@teddydavid2816 yeah that's true but if your in the military and some how stole some you can have them. I've seen people sell them on some gun websites.

@teddydavid2816

4 жыл бұрын

@@BIGALEX_DRDOOM ok that sucks I guess I'll find some others the search continues.. thanks for the info bro

@BIGALEX_DRDOOM

4 жыл бұрын

@@teddydavid2816 🙏🏽👍🏾

How did you get the A1, and brown tip?

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

GunBroker, AR15.com EE

12:09 😂👌🏼

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there :D

Is this plate still a recommended choice on the secondary market even with RMA's release of the gen2 that defeats m855a1? Or would you go straight for the gen2?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

If you need to keep the weight down and the price is a decent yes.

Try some 50 grain tsx from that 20 inch lol

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

I knew I forgot something. I believe though, the ceramic would upset the projectile enough, but maybe needed for round 2!

@user-oy9zy4ds9m

4 жыл бұрын

It stopped a solid copper 308, and also I believe pure poly level 3 plates have stopped tsx 50 grain before so this definitely should.

Will these fit in a spiritus systems LV119 Covert?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

These plates have been verified in the following carriers: JPC 1.0 JPC 2.0 Shellback Banshee Spiritus covert Spiritus overt LBT 6094A Mayflower APC AR500 Armor Invictus Templar's gear CPC ROC Blue Force plateMINUS AWS OCPC (OPERATOR’s CHOICE PLATE CARRIER) ATS Aegis HRT HRAC Ferro Slicksters SKD pig brigandine

@SebPereira

3 жыл бұрын

Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. You rock! Thanks!

RF1/RF2? I thought that was how the UK classified its armor, thats gona be confusing

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. RF1 and 2 are the UK CAST ratings..

Is M856A1 interesting for penetration? Higher velocity to match M855A1 but copper core instead of steel penetrator. M855A1 is still pretty rare and expensive for civilians, but occasionally American Marksman sells M856A1.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

as far as I'm aware, I don't see any penetration advantages to the M856A1 tracer, but I could test it, if I get some. I'm thinking it would behave like the M62A1 tracer we used in the video.

@timewave02012

4 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I could send you some if you're interested in testing it.

I wonder if it would have stopped m855A1 if it had been the only shot on the plate

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

The ceramic is too thin on this model to stop it

@TheZbadam1

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE ahh cool

1192 test when? D:

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

call up Customer Service at RMA and say "When is Buffman going to get an 1192 sample to test" and see if that helps :). It took me over 2yrs to get this plate to sample from them, hopefully that won't be the case with the 1192

Is that factory loaded m855a1 and what date on the head stamp

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

It's 2017 Winchester. Brand spanking new in my book :D

@TheSkinnyMechanic

4 жыл бұрын

Do you get your m855a1 & m80a1 ammo from gunbroker? I have yet to get a hold of a different source for mine

@GunFunZS

4 жыл бұрын

And the question I have is where does he get it and how chewed up are his feed ramps?

Not discounting the video, but the NIJ standard speeds are a bit higher than the speeds you shot. This means this plate would fail the test.

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

On which load? We met the 3115 on m855 and exceeded 3250 on m193.

@cc-vg4ed

3 жыл бұрын

"When the measured velocity is not within ± 30 ft/s (± 9.1 m/s) of the reference velocity" Wow buffman! How dare you be 1ft/s off on the m80, 15ft/s on the 7.62x39, way above on the m193 and a mix on the m855! "This means this plate would fail the test" Actually it would be an inconclusive test. This is also why during certification on the upcoming standard there will be extra plate samples, for this very reason.

Was that you at the state capitol?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

No sir..

@thealize808

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Thank you

Is this the same as the model #1090?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The 1090 is just the single curve Model of this :)

How do you think the standard 1090 would fair?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Likely the same. I'd have to confirm with RMA about the strike face.

Is the military using m855a1?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

As far as I'm aware this is the Army's ball round now. I have friend's who are(were) in basic the last year and this is all they shot.

So a level 3+ plate, but it can't stop M80A1 even from a 12.5 barrel? And it can't stop M855a1 from a 16 in barrel? Does stop M80 from 22in barrel, M193 from 22, and M855 from 22, as expected, and stopped M62A1? Edit: Nice graph at the end. Thanks!

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll start putting the graph at the beginning to :)

Very informative testing but if I may make a small (?) criticism that would be helpful to your viewers (AKA ME!) and deals with the up close video. PLEASE learn to hold the camera STEADY and try to refrain from the Zoom In/Zoom Out in such a fast fashion. I suppose if the viewer has a PC or other device they watch on, they could slow the video down and not be disturbed by the herky-jerky motion. Maybe it is just me but in MY opinion, the sketchy motion doesn't enhance the professionalism of your videos. Again, my opinion and NOT meant to be cruel or abusive but would enhance the quality of your video. PS, I enjoy your testing on Body Armor. I already own "hard" armor and it is HEAVY and while I'd REALLY like to buy the ceramic plates, extra discretionary money is not easy to come by so unless someone wants to be incredibly generous, hard armor is what I'll use if, God forbid, I should ever need it. Thanks again for all you do, Sir.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Your criticism is duly noted. I am actually going to borrow my friends gimbal and see how that translates to smoothing out me freehanding the camera. I like to use the iphone for up close shots because it hands focus, lighting and color better than my DSLR, and is so much easier to move. I thank you for the advice, I will be sure to point out when I'm using it in a video so we can see if it's any better!

@PolynesianSaus

2 жыл бұрын

Hope they’ve got spall coating!

What sunglasses are those?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

Those would be Oakley Jawbreakers with the Prizm Road lens, and TEAM USA Olympics frame :D

@elliottmazur143

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Thank you!

Would you recommend using trauma pads with these plates?

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

With these, no. They are plenty thick enough :D

How long do these last for, I know they say the warranty is 5 years but if your not outside all day with these everyday they should last decades rights ?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

In theory yes. I am outside testing some plates for the next 3 yrs to see what happens to them. The ceramic would never go bad. The glue between the ceramic and PE may break down but if they sit in a closet the warranty is all Cover their ass

@squidy4082

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE so if I just have it outside for a while maybe every once in a blue moon but for the most part it’s in my closet it should last decades ?

@BuffRANGE

3 жыл бұрын

@@squidy4082 No one knows for certain, but I've shot 10yr old ESAPI's and they performed as they were. Don't leave them in a hot ass car for hours on end, day over day, and I firmly believe they will easily last 2x-3x their stated "warranty" period, maybe even longer.

@squidy4082

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE well I appreciate it, I always wondered cause I figured out they have an expiration date or some shit lol

Dude i just bought this shit and plate carriers

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully I confirmed your purchase decision was a good one?

@LordNocholas

4 жыл бұрын

O yeah man! I won't be able to enjoy it anytime soon because I'm overseas but I'm sending it to my mom so she has some armor in these bullshit times

They just bought it from Chinese company and rebranded it.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

No. RMA makes their plates right in Iowa, United States. I've been to their manufacturing facility.

That m80 ball hit would break your sternum, bruise you heart and incapacitate you. May even kill you.

@BuffRANGE

4 жыл бұрын

I have never been and don't intend to be shot, but there's a demo of a body armor manufacturer taking a hit at point blank range of .308 while standing on 1 foot, and he was fine. NIJ says backface over 44mm is bad juju, and this plate in official testing passes that.