Per online documentation, the XSAPI is using SiC for the strike face, not B4C.

@zadamany9255

Жыл бұрын

I know you have talked to Qwe already, but if you do manage to get him some of the pieces of the strike face, we can confirm and tell a lot more about the plate's construction. Excellent video!

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@zadamany9255 Samples were inbound :D

@zadamany9255

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE you are the GOAT! Not sure if Qwe sent the ESapi data but if not, just ask him. Super excited to see what comes next!

@qwe304

Жыл бұрын

@@zadamany9255 I did

@Nuke-China

Жыл бұрын

I have an XSAPI that's .8" thick and weighs 5.3 lbs for a size Medium. Believe it's B4C.

I don't know much about armor but back in 2012 or 2013 I was helping a guy from work clean out a property he owned. The tenant had moved out and left some stuff behind. The tenant was a Marines who served in Iraq and he left behind a ceramic armor plate, no carrier or anything. I can't remember the details exactly but it had markings, expiration date. It said it expired in 2010. I didn't know armor expired at the time. Back then I didn't even know body armor could be ceramic. We were tapping on it with our knuckles trying to figure out what it was made of lol

@Motoboo_Marine

Жыл бұрын

Body armor doesn't actually expire, at least not in the traditional sense. The reason those expiration dates are there is because micro-fractures can develop over years of constant use. Plate carriers get dropped and bump into stuff quite a bit. There are plenty of videos showing expired plates continuing to stop threats they are rated for well past the expiration date, but the date is put there because the manufacturer can't guarantee it'll uphold it's rating after withstanding abuse for that long. If you keep a plate in controlled, stable conditions it'll be fine.

@privateassman8839

17 күн бұрын

​@@Motoboo_MarineEhhhhhh unless it's laminate. Epoxy degrades over time. Moisture intrusion can reduce effectiveness, and UV exposure will make certain plastics brittle.

Very impressed by the plates’ performance and by the fact that you were able to obtain them. Overkill level of protection, in the spirit of “overmatch”.

@daholl8942

Жыл бұрын

funny enough they arent actually that rare. the only rarity is finding them at a reasonable price. since they were put in storage by the military all the ones that had been issued had been largely bought up by surplus guys and people looking to resell them. it sucks but it is what life is right now

man.. actual tungsten core tests on an acutal XSAPI plate.. This channel is the only source in the world where we can watch these stuff fricking love your content dude

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. I come up with questions and feel if I can answer them surely others have the same questions needing answered :D

@PracticalTacticalFedeli

Жыл бұрын

Seriously.

Your channel is criminally underrated. Keep up the good work!

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!🎉

Really, REALLY excited for the Adept colossus video!

Providing great information as usual.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Any chance we'll see a Buffman test of one of the new "rifle resistant" helmets? Doesn't seem to be any on KZread yet.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I have a KCI and a HHV helmet to test. If there's good turnout in them, logically the next step is these rifle rated ones.

@allycatnaranjo8960

3 ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGEHave you heard of ULBRICHTS?

@matth7551

3 ай бұрын

@@allycatnaranjo8960they advert some high end helmets. Well outside my Reach. But perhaps they may see the benefits of demos and want to help.

Very cool test, excited to see the modern commercially available (claimed) equivalents to the XSAPI tested in the future. Any update on when you plan to test the plates you left outdoors and submerged in water? Very interested to see the results of those being tested.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

They'll be at 2 yrs here next month. I really want to hold them until at least 3. Or I imagine someone would find a way to bitch we didn't wait long enough?

You shot that plate like bob ross painting a canvas 😂 great test! I wouldn’t mind seeing a green tip test with ballistic gel behind a plate. Or maybe a chunk of clay lol. People seem to be liking green tip more for its ability to go through plates, despite it having some seriously bad real world results. Maybe it would be more effective with a plate in front of it? 🤷‍♂️

Great stuff!

This is the ice cream shop of ammo and armor testing.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Nice work man They should hire you for field testing prototypes

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Thank You! That would be awesome. !

Great work.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Feed the algorithm for the King of Armor Destruction.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

It was mighty hungry today!

I love your stuff man, these videos are extremely educational and probably there are no other channels on KZread who test ammo and armor as elaborate as you do. However I have a question. Did you shoot both the 7.62 SWISS P AP and .300WM M2APs from the same gun? Did I miss something?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I typically shoot most .30 caliber rounds from the 300 WM, and I just download/upcharge the bullet depending on what I'm going for. :D

@echo4533

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Oooh. So if I understand this correctly, .308, .30-06, and .300WM cartridges have the same bullet and it's just the case that's differently sized? And when you reload a .308 bullet into a .300WM case you load as much powder in it as a normal .308 cartridge would have in it? Also thanks for the quick response!

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@echo4533 Yes many of the 308, 30-06, 300WM 30-378 Weatherby, and even 300 BLK use .308 caliber bullets. The NIJ spec for M2AP calls for 2880 fps and for the most part that's unobtainable from 30-06 or even .308 without going to 26"+ barrels, and then may still be close to max pressure. So with 300 WM, I can download the same bullet to get 2,880 fps, or I can up it's charge and get up to 3,250 fps. With the 196gr Swiss P AP, I could probably get it going 3100 fps, but was downloaded to get to the VPAM 12 spec

Thanks!

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Thanks !!

Good 1 budsz

I'd love to see what kind of penetration you could get with a 993 projectile in 300 Win loaded to max pressure.

It seems like I remember the socom plates having issues with cracking due to manufacturing errors from the ~2012 frame

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

These both had passed inspection stickers on them from recent years.

I mean 2/3 m993 stops is some great performance when nothing else on the market can stop the round, so hey great tests.

Whooo 🔥

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: is it wrong that I skipped to teardown before watching anything else 👀 😀

Freedom by me sent me! Subscribed.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure who that is! Can you link me so I can thank them!

@spearthumb68

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Freedom by me homesteading , he is one of your subscribers.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@spearthumb68 I'll be sure to thank him!

Holy crap those are like half the thickness of the ESAPI plates I was issued in the USMC

I'm curious if you would test the speed of rounds after passing through metal body armor?

@myanaloglife9450

Жыл бұрын

Is that even possible I would be surprised unless you had specific systems for that normal system works off shadow and light or a type of radar

Got any old gen black SAPI to test? Those are all expired now and would be interesting how the hold up..

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I don’t. I’m sure someone has some somewhere.

Awesome as always!! Total destruction!

It would be interesting to shoot 5.45x39 7N39 cartridges with tungsten core. I tested them on Granite 5A plates and they penetrate through the plate from 15 meters

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

My issue is obtaining the 5.45 here in the states :(

@rodvarg7820

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I've already written to you about them. I can send( from Ukraine) bullets for reloading with all the data about gunpowder and its weight.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Have you? I don't honestly recall. I'm not aware of legally being able to have these sent to me.

@qwe304

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE you just need someone across the pond to ship you some fishing weights 😉

@rodvarg7820

Жыл бұрын

@@sasquatch440 You have old information. I can't post photos of packs and cartridges 5.45ППБС here 🙁

3300 fps m2ap is a doozy, I wonder if you'll have to load the P AP hot to get through the adept and SAS plates.

@ghostwriter1415

Жыл бұрын

How did you comment 4 day's ago when this video just came out within the last hour?

@qwe304

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostwriter1415 early release for patrons

Wonder if this can stop the new 6.8x51 AP round, which is also some 120-130 gr tungsten round at 3000 FPS.

@BuffRANGE

2 ай бұрын

That's a very good question that I would love to test some day!

Need to do an updated video with Rev G ESAPI.

@mekingtiger9095

9 ай бұрын

There's a new revision for ESAPIs already?

@fraleo2192

6 ай бұрын

@@mekingtiger9095 goes up to Rev J currently, and newer GEN III Esapi plates with a more defined shooter's cut being issued

Where were you able to source these plates? And are there still some available for purchase?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I believe these were from a Reddit sales post. The rest are long gone.

@aaronperkins7152

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE ah dang, any other sources you know of?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronperkins7152 They show up on GunBroker, or Ebay, or AR15.com EE from time to time.

@qwe304

Жыл бұрын

You can find them, just most people aren't posting publicly about them. Don't pay more than a grand for a set

I've always wondered how modern ap ammo projectiles would work in the wssm and wsm cartridges loaded hot would do against body armor but nobody has tried yet. Most interested in the 223 wssm

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

You could do some cool things running 224 bullets that fast!

I've seen armor that withstands .50BMG, seriously. The energy transfer would still kill you, but at least you wouldn't be transformed into pink mist, whatever that's worth.

@nolancurtis8826

Жыл бұрын

Energy transfer is somewhat of a myth. Taking a hit would only result in damage based on penetration, or deformation. Any plate that stops a bullet without penetrating, deformation, or spalling into your neck, will only give you the equal and opposite reaction, energy wise. (The recoil of the gun it was fired from)

@mekingtiger9095

Жыл бұрын

​@@nolancurtis8826 The problem is that all that energy will be concentrated into *one.single.point* of the bullet which will give off far more pressure to the point hit than the stock of the gun gives to the shoulder of the gunner. Though it's still physically possible to disperse the the energy received through proper trauma plate inserts. It's just that stacking enough of them to disperse the energy of the round would make the armor so heavy and cumbersome it would be impractical to wear as of now.

@nolancurtis8826

Жыл бұрын

@@mekingtiger9095 have you ever seen a plate get hit?

@mekingtiger9095

Жыл бұрын

@@nolancurtis8826 Unfortunately, I don't live in the US of A with its gun freedom in order to test it for myself, as much as I would love to make ballistic tests. But considering there has multiple cases of people getting shot at with body armor and feeling like a sledgehammer just punched them full force and even some cases of broken ribs, I can't imagine .50 Cal being any easier to endure. It's kinda the same principle of warhammers and blunt weapons bashing against a full plate armored knight on, say, the helmet. Sure, you didn't penetrate, but you didn't have to in order to damage the thing inside... I may be wrong, so correct me in case I messed up.

@nolancurtis8826

Жыл бұрын

@@mekingtiger9095 bruises at worst

God I wanna se guard dog body armor m4 Ridgeback done by you everyone else does like loose dirt box as a backer

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Maybe someday they'll let me test one. My funds for armor procurement are negative right now.

where did you buy this how much did it cost

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I believe I paid $400 for it, off a Reddit for sale post awhile back, and bought one from an FFL in Florida who had one.

It's funny how such a common round like XM193 just punches right through any armor.. the speed is scary.. you don't need to have specialty ammo.

@BuffRANGE

6 ай бұрын

And yet M193 here did not penetrate. It's ability is dependent on that armor being made out of steel :)

Why are these so impossible to acquire?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Because all of them that were issued were reclaimed and stored in a warehouse. Allegedly anyways because a few sets pop up for sale every now and then.

@380master9

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE oh these are duty issued? As per military or police?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@380master9 These were only issued to US Military troops from my understanding. Then were recalled and stored in warehouse..

@mekingtiger9095

Жыл бұрын

​@@BuffRANGE Yeah, they were made to stop AP threats that never actually were encountered in the field. So they were called back.

M993 in 300 win mag would go through almost certainly. Swiss p ap is way too slow

@ghostwriter1415

Жыл бұрын

Did you see the video that he did with the Mauser, and the old WW2, W reinforced Pb bullets? The 7.92's were over 190 grains, and still getting close to 3000 FPS! Not only did it completely perforate a level 4 LAPD plate, it went through the steel target behind it as well, and it did so at 100 yards! You better believe the Rush-ins have an assortment of MG 42's with millions of 7.92 x 57 AP rounds at their disposal.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean slow per spec, or just slow in general? At 196gr I couldn't find any load data to support getting 2,650 fps in .308, and that's why I downloaded it in 300 WM. I have some going 2800 :D

@user-oy9zy4ds9m

Жыл бұрын

Slow in general

Fron what I’m seeing my guess is that SMKH 8mm would go through??

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I would say a high probability of SMKH smoking this

@timewave02012

Жыл бұрын

Seems likely. I sent him some in January, so I know he has it.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@timewave02012 It's still in his box :D After the performance we saw even at 100, I have a hard time just blasting it against threats. Maybe we can use it on the Adept?

@user-oy9zy4ds9m

Жыл бұрын

I couldnt believe the power of the smkh that u tested buff, 194 grains at 2947 fps especially for an 80 year old bullet….. insane

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@user-oy9zy4ds9m Has anyone else documented the velocity of SMKH? When I chrono'd SMK I was only getting 2,600~

Where the hell do you get the m995!?!?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Collectors have it from time to time..

@cascadianrangers728

8 ай бұрын

Is it still a lot easier to find just the pulled bullet v.s loaded rounds?

It's B4C fam.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

According to the contracts, they are SiC

@evanhutfles4239

Жыл бұрын

It can't be 100% B4C. 100% impossible.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@evanhutfles4239 Per contract stuff I read it indeed is Sic

@evanhutfles4239

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE You’re right, it has to be. Or atleast a blend with >80% SiC content. Tungsten rounds melt through B4C.

I have me a set of this and I love it

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Hard to go wrong with the XSAPI :D

@PracticalTacticalFedeli

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE exactly my thoughts man! Thanks for this test and review. Seriously you’re the only person anywhere doing it