Been waiting for this one for awhile! Outstanding. I love that you threw in such a variance in barrel lengths for the 5.56 threats. Looking forward to the same methodology on the L210 retest. Keep up the good work!

Another excellent video! Thanks Matt.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you !

I greatly appreciate these vids. Answered a lot of questions for me that dealers dont know or dont want to answer

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Truly my pleasure and that’s why I do them. If I can answer a question that makes my day. So many “dealers” don’t know or don’t even want to learn.

I have been waiting on this video for a long time. I'm so happy you did this!!

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry these take so long to make happen

@JohnWickOnEasy

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE you do fine quality tests. The wait is justified

Cool test! Thank you for the data.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

This is the most educational channel !!! It’s nice to see content that’s not just stupid worthless things. Thanks 👍

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!

Great as always! I'm patiently waiting to see you put out a video putting the new Militech Black Label Level IV Monolithic Plates through the ringer...

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

I have them drop tested. I keep bringing them with me to the range, but then run out of time.

Much appreciated my guy! 🤝

@BuffRANGE

7 күн бұрын

Most welcome you are!

Awesome job man. Keep up the great work

@BuffRANGE

6 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

My favorite type of Tuesday!

Impressive plate.

Great stuff! Would be interested to see if that same adhesive layer can be used on tiles as well so it gets the best of both worlds

I sure wish you could tag other channels in the comments. Be interested to see what other channels who like/sell/use this plate think about it.

@thealize808

Жыл бұрын

Think you can on Instagram

The Armor king BABY!

Someone has to have a helmet for him to shoot. Also nicks night vision is ran by a good dude. Def check em out

Good review. Makes me happy my agency issues 3810s. Shows someone did their research before goverment procurement got its fat fingers in it

thanks for the good content!... it would be interesting if you deliberately shot plates very close to the edge , to compare which plates will protect you better if you get shot on to edge.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Edge shots are very unpredictable. Obviously plates with edge to edge strike face will give you the BEST chance of defeating a round, it would be a random guess as to whether that shot would deflect inwards or outwards.

I would hope ceramic has improved over all these years. I wouldn’t expect it to be the same as what we wore going in.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

I think purity of the ceramics have gone up, but it still seems that Alumina, SiC, and B4C are the kings of strike face. I know there are manufacturing improvements being made for the ceramics, but no new commercially viable materials that are superior, yet...

@thepewplace1370

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I will say while I'm very skeptical of hesco after their multiple model fit test failures, the way they are containing the ceramic integrity in these is definitely cool to see. Big thanks to NNV for putting the big cash up and get one of these flagship models tested! Nick's a good dude.

Wow those plates are exensive!

@b1141

2 жыл бұрын

How much is your life worth?

I would love to see the level 4 4601 Hesco plates being destroyed. Thanks for another Great video

@thepewplace1370

2 жыл бұрын

Send some in! I'm going to be sending him some models I want to see tested.

Another great video, maybe ace Link will get back to you someday. Would love to see the level 3+ plate tested by you

@Bestportlandcleaners

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, if I be you I would request their lab test first. As far as I knew their level III has around 56mm back face!!! Which super deadly results! Which means they don't give a crap about their consumers' lives. So I won't to be too excited about 3+ plates acelink..

@josiahb55

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bestportlandcleaners Which is why we need buffman to test them, like the many others he has tested and continues to test(this isn't the first brand I've requested). Results for the 3+ are good with other KZreadrs who have tested them against the threats they are rated for, but buffman is by far the best and most thorough and closest to NIJ certification. Him putting them through his gauntlet would help out consumers greatly. Cheers

Very impressed on the quality of construction. I can only imagine hope good it would be if it was thicker B4C with a pressed backer and less rear foam to free up thickness for more ceramic. It would, IMHO, be a beast of a plate.

@Ech0Sierra

2 жыл бұрын

You'd probably be getting something similar to the 4800 at that point which I'd love to see him test but $$$$$...

@DD-hz3ts

2 жыл бұрын

It's called the 4601.

@robertdole5391

2 жыл бұрын

@@DD-hz3ts Can you confirm 4601 is a B4C plate. Their website does not state the exact ceramic composition.

Hey great video very insightful. But I had a question or I guess I would like to hear your opinion on a few things. And what I wanted to say was do you think a RMA 1155, and a level 3a backer would stop any threats that you may throw against it or would some still pass through? Also, have you done a test like that or no? And lastly, what level 3a is the best in your opinion? Thanks

@claytonlachance4920

2 жыл бұрын

The rma 1155 is so over built. There’s no need for a backer. Plus that shits heavy asf

Great video it's about time I get to see somebody test a HESCO PLATE, I would love to see that HESCO 4800 series LEVEL IV standalone plate tested

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

You're in luck. I have D220, 3611C, 4601, 4800, 4800LV for testing. When I don't know, but they will get tested :d

@SZE3719

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE thank you for the update I can't wait to see those videos specially on the 4800 because a lot of people were trying to say it is the best plate on the market we shall see

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@SZE3719 It's one of the lightest for sure. Only 5.15lbs and has edge to edge coverage. What it will stop will be interesting..

@SZE3719

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I'd like to see that SHOT STOP Duritium IV+HS LEVEL IV shot also, if you get the shooters cut that plate is $851, I think what is boiling down to is most of these plates the bullet might not make it through it but the trauma is gonna definitely kill you anyway

@SZE3719

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I used to be a police officer back in 1982, back then we wore the Safariland soft vest, after seeing what these bullets are doing to these plates sure glad I never got shot while wearing that Safariland vest

You should review the 3810LVs, same design as the 4800LVS just in a lower rating class!! would love to see threats like A1 on a plate that thin!!

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

isn't the LVS model just the same as the 3810 without the foam backer? So in you would still need a IIIA backer to maintain it's threat rating?

In the same ammunition realm (so, standard ball vs standard ball and penetrator vs penetrator) which is generally speaking bigger treats for armour, 5.56 or 7.62?

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on which armor. M193 "ball" = threat to steel. M855 "ball" = threat to PE. 7.62 Ball is a concern backface deformation wise for all armor types, but currently level III addresses the use of 7.62 Ball, and the rating i feel covers that threat adequately. Now 7.62 NATO EPR "ball", vastly outperforms the above 3.

I've got both the l210 and these.

Taking the Armor to lunch as usual :-)) Excellent Results though :-))

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

You know it

@markanthonystringfellow3923

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Oh Yes :-)

Pretty impressive, especially with those unfair hits.

hi, thx for the test, will plate stop 7n6m?

Nothing like a buff man shooting some bing bangs 🥰

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta love those bing bangs!

These or shotstop gt2???? Thank you Buffman

20:55 Just out of curiosity, what are your top 5 plates that you've tested? Level III+(RF1/RF2) or Level IV, specifically.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

I tend to not try and settle on a top 5 since at times armor can be mission specific. If I had to pick a level III/+/RF2 plate favorites it would be, Militech RF2, RMA 1092, Tactical Scorpion Gear Extreme III+, Hexar B4C, Hesco 3810. In level IV, It would be RMA 1155, RMA 1189, Tactical Scorpion Gear IV, Militech Black Label (pending test), Spartan Armor Ares.

@kasper_429

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Thanks! I was looking at the RMA 1092 for my first set of plates. Their price to performance ratio is really nice, plus they're lightweight for the protection they offer. Any chance of you testing any more Hoplite plates? I was looking at some of theirs too. Specifically the 26605 Level IV plates.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

@@kasper_429 Lyman has expressed some interest in me testing the LTC plates, but we have not discussed terms, and scope of what he would like to see.

Any chance you have done tests on Guard Dog Body Armor? I've heard they have cheap prices for lvl4 and 3 plates and flex plates that hold up to some insane abuse

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I've done NDA R&D stuff for them. I haven't tested any of their new stuff though. Their Ridgeback 4+ has some along ways and I would imagine they've put a lot of knowledge into newer offerings. If you follow them on social media, tell them you want to see Buffman demo their stuff.

I know this is a year ago video, but I see T Rex will no longer carry the L210, but will be selling the L211. Do you know anything about the 211? I can’t find much online about them. Thanks

@BuffRANGE

6 ай бұрын

The L211 is the upgrade to the L210. It's now supposed to use an UHMWPE backer vs the E-glass it was using, and is now lighter. Hesco was going to send me one. I need to ping them again :D

Well single hit within about an inch circle. Which at CQB distances its not hard to stack a double or triple tap within a small group. The" multi hit" capability is more useful at range where the group size increases.

@qwe304

2 жыл бұрын

add distances where you'd be stacking hits within an inch The target would probably also be able to literally grab the barrel of your gun

@nemisous83

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwe304 NIJ testing is at 45 feet which is 15 yards at that distance its pretty easy to stack you shots on top of each other.

@qwe304

2 жыл бұрын

@@nemisous83 at a seated position and with a stationary target. normally by the time you would have a follow-up shot the target would have moved. and if you are talking full auto, then recoil itself will inhibit you from getting such precise shots in quick order

@nemisous83

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwe304 sounds like you don't train all that much. Most carbine course drills have you at 10 yards transitioning between hammer pairs and most people at the course can pretty regularly attain fist size groups on both targets. But also one thing you are forgetting is at 10-15 yards you are also within distance to shoot their unarmored parts more accurately where as at 50-100 yards you are just aiming center mass and hoping your lead is correct.

@nemisous83

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwe304 also again if you can't keep all your rounds or atleast your bursts on target at 10-15 yards then you need Jesus.

It's the Burger King hat guy

thanks for testing Hesco 3810, I am looking just for confirmation: will this plate stop 7n6 rounds commonly used in ukr-russia war?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

7N6 is stopped by sufficient layers of UHMWPE. 7N6M would require a ceramic strike face. I can't say for certain without testing.

Excellent video!!! This backface deformation would kill you tho.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Not really.

@futuremarineBRIT

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE thanks for the reply, again your video content is amazing and world class. What are your thoughts on battle steel plates?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@futuremarineBRIT their Level IV offering is hard to beat. They’re made by LongFri

I'm enjoying your videos on the armor destruction that I've seen thus far, but tbh I thought when the reggae music kicked in I had accidentally clicked on a MrGunsnGear video. lol. You have a new subscriber either way.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I use the KZread Library extensively for audio, and Mike does as well.

HOW ... !

Can you do a test on the Hesco 600 Series 4601 Level IV Stand Alone?

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

At some point if I can get Hesco to play ball it may be a possibility. Otherwise it's financially not in the cards for me to buy armor for destruction right now

@Jaxwildin

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Should start a go fund me or some sort of donation that could be put towards armor testing. I'd pay $10-$20 towards seeing some Hesco 4601 or Smith Defense plates to being tested.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jaxwildin SOmetimes those who resell under their own brand are more interested in these demos. Maybe Ill reach out to Smith Defense. But I have a good contact who sells Hesco, just have to do some sweet talking

Those 308 hits look unpleasant. I don't think my sternum goes 50mm inwards easily 😬

@phtevenmolz5030

2 жыл бұрын

NIJ limits BFS to 44mm, but I think it was 50mm simply due to the multiple hits stacking in one area like Matt mentioned.

@EricBrownWins

2 жыл бұрын

@@phtevenmolz5030 44mm sounds unpleasant too. Regardless if it's allowed lol

@phtevenmolz5030

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricBrownWins true enough, but you *should* live lol

@lambchop6210

Жыл бұрын

@@EricBrownWinstaking a 308 round to the chest sounds unpleasant with or without plates lol

hi, great test! will this plate stop 7.62x54R FMJ???

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Without testing it I can't say for certain, but generally speaking 7.62x54R is slightly weaker (depending on the bullet type) than 7.62 NATO

@rafalo2323

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE thx, I checked 7.62x54R produce 3.7kJ and 800 m/s bullet, but 7.62x51 2.8-3.4kJ with 780-840 m/s... so 54R has more energy for sure... could you please "double" check it in your sources?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@rafalo2323 Energy is only 1 factor. Typically x54R velocities are from almost 30" barrels vs 7.62 NATO from a 22". If the plate is not specifically rated for it, one can't assume.

Which would you recommend? Hesco 3810 vs LTC 23707?

@BuffRANGE

8 ай бұрын

Probably the 3810 because I haven’t tested the LTC. I almost would rather recommend the RMA 1092 G2

Lvl VI, No excuses.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

If someone made an NIJ Level V, or VI it would be insane :D

@dgd947a15fl

2 жыл бұрын

How would you even define Level 5 or 6? 50 BMG?

@russream3732

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE lol haha. I wrote that backwards. Level 4 or Lvl IV. Not being a Roman Citizen I will be afforded a dull blade at my execution. Haha

If I could understand HESCO's naming scheme, I might actually buy some. Lol

@TacoTory556

2 жыл бұрын

Lol why would a name set you back from purchasing a product

@nelsonr1467

2 жыл бұрын

Same man they look the same but have different model numbers

@thepoorsareintoguns

2 жыл бұрын

@@TacoTory556 clearly you've never tried to buy a safariland holster 😂

@b1141

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepoorsareintoguns 🤣

Dude so many people are running 16"-20" guns nowadays that I want my armor to be able to stop m193 and m885a1 out of a 22". People are very shortsighted

@thepewplace1370

2 жыл бұрын

That's my stance also. I have a 20+ inch 5.56 gun and in my part of the country, alot of folks are running musket AR15s with 20 inch barrels, and hunting bolt guns with even longer barrels. It's worse case scenario, let's see how it holds up.

@thealize808

2 жыл бұрын

What level 4 plates do you suggest?

@thepoorsareintoguns

2 жыл бұрын

@@thealize808 hescos can be good but they're expensive. RMAs I know a lot of people love. I think that's gonna be my next armor purchase

@thepewplace1370

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepoorsareintoguns Id go the RMA route over Hesco, theyve had an extremely high failure rate on fit tests. RMA and LTC are both good to go

@thealize808

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepoorsareintoguns The RMA is pretty heavy

Imagine being shot at 45 ft with a 308...my body 😭😭

Steel can stop stuff like M193 and M855 but i dont know about M855A1.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Steel at a hardness of like AR600 will stop M855 with ease, and M193 up to around 3150-3200 fps, and typically M855A1 under 3150 fps as well. At least in my testing.

The .308 rounds may not have penetrated the actual plate, but the plate itself would’ve gone through a sternum. The wearer of that plate might survive but is out of the fight.

@thepewplace1370

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised the blunt force a human body can absorb: Hardwire was doing a demo on their armor with safariland a while back and noted they could not find any instance of someone having significant injury from BFD in their armor or anyone else's in the US over the course of the last decade or two (I don't recall the specifics, but the gist was BFD on the torso isn't as big a deal as we tend to think it is)

@burleydad

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepewplace1370 Interesting data, and yet healthy teenagers die every year from "commotio cordis" or concussion induced cardiac arrest. I'd be leary of anyone telling you that one thumper that no doubt would've fracture your sternum would otherwise "not be a big deal"

@thepewplace1370

2 жыл бұрын

@@burleydad that's exceedingly rare to begin with, and usually presents in children where the chest is thin, with a specifically localized impact to cause excitation of a ventricular cell and inducing a vfib arrest. It's also worth noting this has to occur at a very specific part of the cardiac cycle to even be a possibility. By contrast, most people wearing armor are well muscled adults, and the impact, even with BFD, is being spread out over a large area, and it's often less energy being dumped in that specific spot anyway (200J+ for a line drive in a 2 inch area, vs 450J-1500J spread out over the area of the plate).

@burleydad

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepewplace1370 I sure hope you're right.

@byronbranch4645

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepewplace1370 can anyone outbid not Info on hardwire. Their website doesn't provide any info on their plates

3k for a set from trex is crazy

@BuffRANGE

9 ай бұрын

I believe TREX prices per set. Aren’t they like $1700/set.

Ever considered doing podcasts...

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t host one but I would be a guest On one.

How many reviews do you need to make before ppl stop telling you that ceramic plates are only good for 1 hit? Hahah

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

I think it will never end. People have some perception that steel will soak up round after round. Which is certainly true depending on the round, but they can't handle advanced threats, like ceramic can :D

Compare this to what AR500 just put out with their ALSC plate. Night and Day difference.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Did they just put out a video?

@qwe304

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I recall seeing a photo of it shattering into pieces after a single hit of unspecified 308

Do you need a trauma pad with this?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

No but it will only help. This is an NIJ cert level Iii :)

What is you’re #1 plate out of that top 5 ?

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Likely the Militech RF2. It stops m855a1 and has very close to edge to edge coverage. The RMA 1092 comes close to tying it but it’s strike face can’t handle m855a1 from 16”. The TSG III+ extreme is mixed in there too and it’s only downside is the reduced edge to edge coverage.

@xXsniperXxDF1

2 жыл бұрын

I was so impressed by your Militech Rf2 test I picked some up! How many hits they took definitely stood out to me.

@thealize808

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE The Chinese plate outperformed American made $1,000+ plates???

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

@@thealize808 yep. It has thicker ceramic strike face in an tile layout. It’s a newer design so it has the advantage.

Not sure why you would use M855 if you are also using M855A1. It would save some real estate on the plate for other and greater threats.

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Usually people would then ask why I didn’t use it. :)

@dtroy15

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I like seeing both. M855 is far and away the most common round with any armor penetrating capability. I expect that A1 will supplant it as surplus becomes available.

@robertdole5391

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Very good point! Damn internet trolls.

@PolynesianSaus

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertdole5391 some plates might stop M855 but not M855A1, they have different hardnesses.

Hey! Your kid didn't karate kick the plate over in the drop prep! OMG TEST INVALID! UNSUBSCRIBE!

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely gets an award for rough handling. I just completed a drop test on another plate last time he was out there, and as it picks it up, he drops it (from about 2') on the ground. "I wanted to give it an extra drop" :D

For the price not pressed. Very disappointing

@BuffRANGE

2 жыл бұрын

Per Hesco they state the backer is pressed, but at least to me the amount of pressing seems minor compared to others we've seen.. at lesat IMO

@thealize808

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE agree I'm still looking for the lightest level 4 that has great protection