I'm not surprised that Casey likes to "keep it simple" as he is doing a great job at keeping himself simple

@TheZombieSaints

Ай бұрын

Lol, he was not prepared

@DulceN

Ай бұрын

He’s a simpleton.

@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral

Ай бұрын

Smooth brain

@quotedotes

29 күн бұрын

Being simple is ok, being gullible, accepting claims without good evidence, is not.

I love that he keeps saying that science said it was flat. 😂😂

What do you think of the theory of relativity? Katy: “I think it’s nice, it’s a nice theory.” Absolutely the winning answer!

@TheLizardOfOz

28 күн бұрын

Which one? Special relativity or General relativity?

JMike kept saying, "parity of reason" as though the bumpkin on the other end understood it. 😂

@user-yl3mp7um6k

Ай бұрын

Turtles all the way down

@MacLaw3084

Ай бұрын

callers almost never ask “what does that mean?” when they don’t understand something.

@atdynax

Ай бұрын

I thought he said parody of reaosn.

@quotedotes

29 күн бұрын

Theists generally don't become or stay theists, by wanting to have good reasons for their beliefs, lol

Wasn't my boy Galileo sentenced to life in prison by the Catholic Church for promoting the heliocentric model? Seems weird to do if the Bible already stated the Earth was a sphere and not flat.

@davidblackburn3396

Ай бұрын

He lived the last ten years or so of his life under house arrest after he recanted. Giordano Bruno refused to recant and was burned as a heretic in 1600.

@grahvis

Ай бұрын

The thinking at the time was that the Earth was at the centre of the Solar system.

@danielpaulson8838

Ай бұрын

The Bible doesn't say sphere or flat. People infer those opinions based on other weird parts.

@landsgevaer

Ай бұрын

To be fair, whether the Earth is spherical is a different question from which body rotates around which.

By 500 B.C.E. most Greeks believed the earth was round and in 240 B.C.E. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth, fairly accurately.

@macroman52

Ай бұрын

Yes, it is hard to believe that sailors wouldn’t work it out when they see the shore sink over the horizon as they headed out to sea or saw island grow out of the sea as they approached. And of course they climbed the mast to see even further than those people on deck.

There are too many Caseys out there. The Dunning-Kruger effect is far more devastating than Covid ever was.

Nowhere in the Bible is a mentioned of the earth being a sphere

@jimmythebold589

29 күн бұрын

okay, thanks, i thought that was the case. i'm sitting here losing my mind wondering why jmike and katy didn't address this. i'm like "IT'S NOT IN THERE, FLERFS USE THE BIBLE AS EVIDENCE!"

Flat earth ears think the earth is a circle, and Christian’s persecuted scientists for saying it wasn’t flat.

Just another example of a Bible lover twisting the words in the Bible to fit what was known much later.

The Bible also claims you can see the whole world from a mountain top. Matthew 4:8.

@0Fyrebrand0

Ай бұрын

_“And gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”_ *Isaiah 11:12* Four corners? Doesn't sound very round to me.

@thuzUNed

29 күн бұрын

"yOuR tAkInG tHaT oUt Of CoNtExT!"

@arthurunknown8972

29 күн бұрын

@@thuzUNed Nope. You're lying to save your indoctrination through cognitive dissonance.

@arthurunknown8972

29 күн бұрын

@@thuzUNed Prove your claim.

@LaughingSkull451

28 күн бұрын

@@arthurunknown8972 thuzUNed was being sarcastic and was mocking the theists that make that comeback.

The Bible also says the earth is on 4 pillars

@jimmythebold589

29 күн бұрын

and that it has a firmament. doesn't specify what stars actually are, and so on.

The idea of a spherical Earth was first documented in the writings of Greek philosophers around the 5th century BC. By the 3rd century BC, Hellenistic astronomy had established that the Earth was roughly spherical and calculated its circumference.

@PhoenixXIII

Ай бұрын

Yep. It took me 3 minutes of google search to find the same thing. I cannot believe how intellectually lazy some people are.

@quotedotes

29 күн бұрын

Theists are highly motivated, to misunderstand anything that disagrees or otherwise makes their magical beliefs more difficult to hold.

The universe according to goatherders - sounds about right.

Guys, its very simple. Very simple. Very simple. Very simple.... very... simple......

Katy's cat looks identical to minr. Same markings everywhere😂

Omg the CAT! What a cute surprise 😂❤

So Christianity would've had its own Space Program a couple thousand years ago.

@jexelbur6872

Ай бұрын

If the Tower of Babel is true then yes.

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

Flown up to the dome. Built a base anchored into it. Taken seismic measurements. Hopefully not drilling through...

15:10 for purring cat

The level of "WTF!?!" my brain was going through when this caller name dropped as "Casey" and lived in Missouri. That was literally me until about 2016 when I moved out of state. So hearing this in a throwback for the show had me so surprised tbh. XD Good grief! Edit: To clarify, this isn't me. I never called in to any of the shows, just turned out the major irony of this situation.

@ahh_yes_mr_bax

Ай бұрын

It is alway wild to hear someone talk and argue the way you used to when you were younger and more confident yet more wrong lol That has never gone away for me. I still get the WTF moments

@hrobi97

15 күн бұрын

Don't worry this guy's name isn't Casey anyway, it's Jay, he's a regular caller and he always has the same bad arguments and arrogance. If you search for Atheist Experience or Talk Heathen followed by Jay-MO, you'll find some of his other calls. I don't think he got banned or anything so I'm not sure why he always uses different names.

The Egyptians built the Pyramids on extremely tight cardinal directions because they tracked the circle of stars throughout the sky and knew which way was north. That only happens with a spinning sphere. The ancient Egyptians had a lot more on the ball than modern Christians.

Hmmmmm im gonna go out on a limb and say.... No

@martinwrobbel5338

Ай бұрын

I thought that the Bible says the is flat?

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

If you're out, I'm out.

@martinwrobbel5338

Ай бұрын

Your limb just broke, it does it also says the sun moves around the earth. To give more time to kill mother's and unborn children. Umm yes it does. You haven't read your book

The bible does not claim the earth is a sphere, it actually says round, but it comes from the ancient Hebrew for a transcribed circle, a two dimensional shape. The bible also claims a tree so tall it could be seen from everywhere on earth and that Jesus was taken to the top of a high mountain where he could see all the kingdoms of the earth.

@carter358

Ай бұрын

I always thought that the bible said - or at least implied - that the earth was flat and that the sun rotates around it. Admittedly, I may be incorrect. I haven't read any of that nonsense since the 3rd or 4th grade. That's when I realized it was all just fairy tales and mythology.

@drlegendre

Ай бұрын

The ancient Hebrew cosmology posits a flat, circular Earth surmounted by a clear dome, with waters beneath, around and above the domed land. It is set upon foundations that take the form of columns.

@mirandahotspring4019

Ай бұрын

@@drlegendre Pinnacle of bronze age scientific endeavour! It must be true.

@danielpaulson8838

Ай бұрын

@@drlegendre I would adjust that. It does not posit flat or circular. A clear dome may be over a flat or it may be a larger dome with a smaller one inside of it. The Bible is mono-myth for sure and not true. Supernatural is the carrying case. But It doesn't specify a shape and reading it does not strictly point to them thinking it was flat. Whoever made the religion on the mono-myth template certainly knew better. But we have to know what that template is to make sense of any of it. Hero's Journey.

@looselugnuts5874

Ай бұрын

I wouldnt be suprised if that was in one of the books that got voted to not be in the bible.

Beautiful cat!

Scientists also estimate that IF the earth was flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edges by the year 200 BCE

@GoodBrotherGrimm

Ай бұрын

Assuming you mean flat?

@67cudaksa34

13 күн бұрын

actually the cosmic cat, would be smacking us through out the galaxy

3:05 to 3:26 “Example of what? “ Buying time to google 😂

Casey is a prime example of the importance of staying in school...if ya don't, you'll end up like poor Casey.

“I agree with you…” but my brain is stuck 🤪

I love the hosts. They’re smart and they do a great job. One thing that does bother me is they will ask a question pause and then continue talking and will not let the caller answer. Make your point ask the question and wait for the answer answer. It’s uncomfortable.

@Alltime2050

Ай бұрын

It’s hard when you hear the same answers over and over again. I mean, they can see what direction a theist is going from a mile away.

@INSOLIASTUDIOSJIMM

Ай бұрын

@@Alltime2050 agreed. Never said it was easy

@asyetundetermined

Ай бұрын

@@Alltime2050I agree and that explains why they do it but it doesn’t really excuse it entirely. This may be the 1,000th time they’ve heard the argument, but it could be any number of viewers’ first time. To the uninitiated, it may appear that the hosts are dodging or simply dismissive, which isn’t helpful. Additionally, it’s known that no one will ever call these shows with a valid and concrete proof of a god. It’s all supposed to be an exploration of belief and how someone came to it (“tell me what you believe and why”). Too frequently it seems the callers are merely props through whom the hosts sound off. I think it would be more fruitful to have folks present their views and reasoning in whole and then discuss afterward in a more organic fashion. A lot of the calls are disjointed and needlessly combative. A lot of times people just wanna feel heard and the syllable by syllable tear-downs don’t allow for that.

Daniel 4:11 - Enough said.

20:44 Electromagnetism is 🔥 😂

@YourMajesty733

Ай бұрын

It's also shocking

Honestly, the bible doesn't say the earth is flat or a globe. The earliest known mention was by Eratosthenes in the 3rd century BCE, who also calculated a pretty accurate measurement of the earth's circumference by measuring the angles of shadows at noon at two different latitudes. This suggests the Greeks knew it was round long before that. There's no reason to suppose the authors of the bible fables were unaware it's a globe, but didn't bother discussing it. This guy is reaching.

@hegyak

Ай бұрын

"Suspended on Pillars and has a Dome Over it." Me thinks that sounds an AWFUL lot like it's Flat. But yes. Science knows better. Too bad others do NOT like science going against their cult feelies.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Ай бұрын

@@hegyak Well, I think there are lots of ways of interpreting various passages, so it's easy to take metaphorical symbolism literally - if one wants to, or leave it as metaphor otherwise. I'm not too fussed what believers make of it, as I doubt there's much historical truth to be found in it, besides reference an occasional land, place, or ruler.

@alistairbenton6207

Ай бұрын

Was about to say this, thank you for putting this in better words than I :)

@danielpaulson8838

Ай бұрын

Agreed - It does not posit flat or circular. A clear dome may be over a flat or it may be a larger dome with a smaller one inside of it. The Bible is mono-myth for sure and not true. Supernatural is the carrying case. But It doesn't specify a shape and reading it does not strictly point to them thinking it was flat. Whoever made the religion on the mono-myth template certainly knew better. But we have to know what that template is to make sense of any of it. Hero's Journey. Only modern Christians are this dopey.

@danielpaulson8838

Ай бұрын

And the Egyptians built the pyramids very accurately to the cardinal direction by tracking the circle of stars in the night sky. That seems to infer they would have thought earth was a sphere.

Every time I look down on a circle it's flat.

I don't think he understands that adding "it's very simple" to the beginning of a nonsensical statement does not, in fact, make it very simple.

Why is Casey turning rude? You two have been very polite and patient with him.

Being from Missouri says much!

Doing your own study does not mean that it is correct to draw conclusions that are at odds with reality. Doing your own work is not justification for creating your own conclusions out of whole cloth. Just because you do the work for yourself does not mean that you will come to the right conclusions, especially if you have religious preconceptions.

To be fair they did keep interrupting him when he was trying to ask his question at the end

This guy calls in under the name Jay from Missouri usually

Science as a methodology has really only been in play for a few hundred years, people have been able to demonstrate that the earth is a round sphere for thousands of years. The claim that “science claimed the earth was flat” just doesn’t bear out.

That cat gets and deserves most of her attention.

If the Jews and Christians supposedly knew the earth was a sphere, why did they wait until early and modern scientists proved the earth was spherical to start making the claim? They could’ve enlightened the world with this info ages ago.

I've been bumping around Flat Earth channels for a bit, and 100% of Flat Earthers are religious... Almost every single one of them is Christian.

@wiI1776

16 күн бұрын

100%. It only takes them going a point or two before they get to "well in the bible..."

17:42 Theory of relativity is descriptive language relating to energetic reactions within the universe. It doesn’t claim like religions do, but it can be used to predict outcomes accurately and reliably…again, unlike all religions.

Was he just a troll? The tone of his voice seems like he's just waiting for a "gotcha"...

@landsgevaer

Ай бұрын

Don't they all, almost?

@loomspace

Ай бұрын

I’ve spent a lot of time in Missouri, there are a lot of Caseys and even more people that nod along with Caseys.

Looking to the sky, the moon looks like a circle, the sun looks like a circle, speaks to reason these ancient goatherders thought the earth was a circle. And still probably thought it was flat.

The Bible say the earth is a circle placed on pilars, with a dôme above who have opening allowing the water of heaven to pass.

Pretty sure i remember the bible saying the earth has edges and also corners and areas where every edge and kingdom within can be seen.

Isaiah doesn't say the earth is a sphere. The hosts are letting the caller get away with too much

This dude can't even google "Who first discovered the Earth is round?" If he had just done that, he would have learned something, saved some time, and not made a fool of himself.

If you sit on the top of a hill and survey ‘around’ you see in a circle, you can’t survey spherically. Casey seems to be confused and arguing between a circle and ‘flat’. But circles are flat. The Bible says the world is flat in his own best passage for ‘science is playing catch up’.

the biblical story is of a 'snow globe' model, surrounded by water

Splitting hairs about ancient dates proves god

The Bible implies the earth is flat , there’s not a single verse that implies it’s a sphere.

Flat Earthers believe it is a flat circle with a dome over it. So by that logic it's saying its flat.

How do you feel about terminal velocity?

@user-yl3mp7um6k

Ай бұрын

When you shut the refrigerator for does the light stay on?

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

Airplanes (can) have velocity. Air terminals can not have velocity. /jk

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

I have existential angst about terminal velocity. See what I dead there?

Both Plato and Aristotle thought the world was round. Eratosthenes, more than 2000 years ago, compared the position of the sun's rays in two locations to calculate the spherical size of the Earth with reasonable accuracy.

@dwightfitch3120

Ай бұрын

Really just curious: why do ppl say round when they mean spherical? A circle is round, but it’s also flat

@Imfreehowaboutu

Ай бұрын

@@dwightfitch3120why do people say sphere when they mean oblate spheroid?

@coreyloucks4865

Ай бұрын

@@dwightfitch3120 round is easier to type and more general since the planet isn’t exactly a perfect sphere. It is round though. 😝

@dwightfitch3120

29 күн бұрын

@@coreyloucks4865 think everyone knows it’s not a perfect sphere. And round just means circle-shaped

@dwightfitch3120

29 күн бұрын

@@Imfreehowaboutu Big difference between any sphere shape and a circle

Casey (no pronouns) is reduced to rubble by the wonderful JMike and Katy. I love them.

In Isaiah 11:12 It talks about the four corners of the earth.??

The bible says God layed down the earth upon pillars so it cannot be moved What about that bit!!!!!

What's your opinion on skyscrapers

Another reminder that None Given callers generally have the worst arguments. 🥳

"Yeah, but what about what this scientist said 80 years ago?" -every theist rebuttal ever

The bible, the bible, and what about the other 95% of the people who then lived outside that small Mediterranean area? What was their idea of ​​the flatness of the world?

"Science thought..." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I miss Katy.

Eratosthenes, 310, 230 BC, measure de radius of the earth.

@Jeff_Vader

Ай бұрын

He measured the circumference.

It doesn't matter if the bible has bits that would have been progressive for its time. It's way behind the times now.

Quit with the 'parity of reason". The caller doesnt understand that

It would have been better if Isaiah 40:22 said "sphere of the world" rather than "circle of the earth". A dinner plate is a flat circle, a wheel is a flat circle - circle does not necessarily imply sphere. But hey, no one can accuse the bible of having a clear unambiguous meaning.

“The earliest documented mention of the concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it appears in the writings of Greek philosophers. In the 3rd century BC, Hellenistic astronomy established the roughly spherical shape of Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth's circumference.” Isaiah was written the 7th century This segment shows these hosts WILL NOT CONCEDE when they are WRONG 😂

Yep, Einstein disagreed with the Big Bang. However he also claimed the universe was expanding at a steady pace forever. Over time he came to abandon that opinion and embraced the Big Bang theory.

Missourah.

Genesis says that Abraham had camels. Archeological evidence says that camels were domesticated in the Iron Age (starting around the time of the Kingdom of David, well after Abraham). Of course, since Abraham is mythical, this is like saying King Arthur drove a land rover. This does date Genesis to the Iron Age, when camels were domesticated. In the time of Moses, people used donkeys (picture a caravan of donkeys).

It's tiring listening to idiots, having a conversation with one for me is impossible.

The theologists are much smarter than the geologists. HAHAHA oh Casey, are you serious?

I do wish you'd have let him talk and explain his position a bit more. Instead of giving him a chance to make a claim that you could then tear apart, you jumped the gun and went off on tangents.

2:15 How about all those maps that Christians made showing the earth as a circle. A flat circle, by the way.

First!

@TheZombieSaints

Ай бұрын

Well done 👏😉

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

Fabuloso!! 👌 🎉

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth"... Oh my God. That is AMAZING. the earth is a circle but a flat circle. Lol. Like the moon. We only see one side because it is flat. That is actually a claim many have used. No one(or few that we know of)read that verse and thought it meant the earth was a globe because of the verse through the centuries until after science showed it was. Lol

0:29 29 seconds in and I couldn't stop myself chuckling. Sorry. There is a hebrew word for sphere but the bible uses the word commonly applied to the shape of a plate. This caller is the victim of apologists.

"Casey (none given)" Has an obnoxiously large US flag on his lifted truck and likes to wear a special red hat at certain gatherings.... Prove me wrong lol

"round" is a disingenuous description. The bible says earth is a flat disk.

'none given' pronoun callers are very good at wasting time, as per usual. "It's common sense" Casey says, saying something blatantly wrong.

If you can't tell the difference between a circle and a sphere then you sure as hell don't have the capability to understand the theory of relativity. Hence why he got so mad and started insulting the hosts.

The bible absolutely *does not say* the world is a sphere. According to the bible, the earth is a circle, and also has corners. The bible says the earth is suspended on nothing, but is supported on pillars.

The bible says the world is a sphere... Except for all the places it says it's flat

If you’re gonna call in, please talk, not read.

Personally, I think the theory of relativity is a bit wordy. It smells nice though. The general theory of relativity is good in bed, the special theory of relativity is out of my league. They’re both fun at parties.

If a god created the earth that God could have given us the exact measurements of the earth I wonder why that didn't happen

Science begins ~ 1500 AC. Of course if a circle is an sphere, and the continue with Relativity Theory, I feel like I'm high, somebody must have put someting in my drink.

@Jeff_Vader

Ай бұрын

The Greeks measured the circumference of the earth in 240 B.C.E.

Turtles all the way down.

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

So you don't think there's an Ultimate Tortoise to all things?

@brucebaker810

Ай бұрын

Turtles all the way down* *After the 4 elephants. Obviously.

the bible and in general to believe in a what ever god is and was only a tool of power to contol people. if you want to belive in something, you do not need someone to tell you or to follow rules someone created. it is a tool having power of others to force them to do what you want. nothing else.

I appeal to authority! I win cuz my imaginary friend says so.

Someone get Casey a tissue and 3rd grade science textbook.

LOL... You can't make this stuff up.

Who's the liar here!!!

@user-yl3mp7um6k

Ай бұрын

turtles all the way down.

All atheists are lyres? I’m a bass guitar, thank you very much.

@Jeff_Vader

Ай бұрын

What? All atheists are medieval stringed instruments? I think you're all *liars*

The bible was written around 10 BC Pythagorus figured the earth was round around 550 BC LOL.......500 years earlier

What do you guys think of the sun, it's bright, right? What do you guys think of math... It's got numbers in it, right? What's your opinion on the sky? Very broad, right?