I literally died laughing when he said “I’ve been working on this for years it’s flawless”. Sitting at home smelling your own farts is not something to be proud of 😂😂😂

@nuclearsimian3281

20 күн бұрын

What made me break into hysterics was "We don't have an explanation for this, therefore 95% of the universe is magic."

@ganndeber1621

20 күн бұрын

My farts smell of pomegranates and rose petals, I am very proud of them. They smell like God's breath

@dragonfiremalus

20 күн бұрын

Wow, we do have proof of the supernatural right here! Someone who literally died laughing is still able to comment 😂

@PaPaGonzo

20 күн бұрын

I literally laughed out loud too when he said that. I'm like, "You can work on a pile of shit for 40 years, and its still just going to be a pile of shit!"

@cctomcat321

20 күн бұрын

"Pepe Silvia, Pepe Silvia, I look in the mail, this whole box is Pepe Silvia! So I say to myself I gotta find this guy. I gotta go up to his office, I gotta put his mail in the guy's hands! Otherwise, he's never gonna get it, it's gonna keep coming back down here." That's the first thing that came to mind was that pinboard.

“I have been working on this syllogism for years, dude, it’s flawless” 😂 I wish I could be so confident and arrogant while being so completely wrong.

@quotedotes

20 күн бұрын

Perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

@andrewsad1

19 күн бұрын

Instantaneously does a perfect example of a non-sequitur. May as well have said all birds have beaks, therefore all thinks with beaks are birds lmao

@goonerbear8659

Күн бұрын

And then it runs headlong into "I don't accept Premise 1."

Wow. This bloke's argument literally is, "I don't know, therefore magic, until shown otherwise." LOL.

@quotedotes

20 күн бұрын

Welcome to 99% of apologetics

@cctomcat321

20 күн бұрын

An argument based on the theist's incredulity. Who could've ever seen that one coming... lol

@KyouTGD

20 күн бұрын

He's also saying that because he thinks it's magic, science isn't allowed to investigate it anymore.

@mums_poop_sock

13 күн бұрын

He never said "until shown otherwise", his entire premise is "I don't know, therefore magic, and it is impossible for it to be known"

I just love how triggered Billy gets. "WHY WON'T YOU JUST AGREE WITH ME??"

Billys anger is making him breathless but he still daren't cuss 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Caphiasas-sf6ct

20 күн бұрын

he seems to have a problem with women, ever heard him call Arden or Shannon, he swears like a trooper then, he's just a jerk, i notice he never calls Matt

@lenstours

20 күн бұрын

@@Caphiasas-sf6ctthere is a call with Katie and another woman (I can’t remember her name and it’s killing me) where he just cusses them out and yells at them and they just embarrass him.

@Caphiasas-sf6ct

20 күн бұрын

@lenstours yeah, that's the clip I was thinking of, he's such a western

@guybrush1701

20 күн бұрын

​@@Caphiasas-sf6ctWestern?

@bobgreenfield9158

20 күн бұрын

He is religious! He is holy!

“I’ve been working on this for years, and it’s flawless” *Proceeds to have flawed reasoning right out of the gate*

"I've brought it to universities, they found no flaws" 30 seconds later "you see they keep pulling it apart and trying to go word for word through it too!" Billy billy billy

Someone who was ACTUALLY interested in a critique of their “flawless syllogism” would not be interrupting constantly

" I'm not defensive, there is just no flaws!"

Billy needs to learn how to talk to people IRL. He keeps interrupting ad nauseam, and then gets angry. "Dude!" 😂

Billy is a legend in his own mind. Perfect thought no matter what everyeone says.

@alucarderipmavtube

20 күн бұрын

He's a walking Dunning-Krueger phenomenon.

@ziploc2000

19 күн бұрын

In fairness, Billy is the smartest person he knows who lives still in his mom's basement probably.

"My syllogism is flawless" I wish I was half as humble as Billy ☺️

Ah, the famous Billy and his moronic understanding of the world around him

4,000 years ago science was not able to understand how lightnings work. So it was a supernatural phenomenon for them and they invented a supernatural god, Thor or Zeus. In the meantime both vanished from the list of supernatural phenomena and moved into the realm of entertaining ancient literature.

@diogeneslamp8004

20 күн бұрын

Further to your point then, Billy must believe that something is supernatural only if it can _never_ be investigated scientifically, since we have so often looked behind the veil of some putatively supernatural event only to find a naturalistic cause, to the point where we just default to the assumption of a naturalistic cause for any unexplained phenomenon. But then that assumes Billy can project the ends and limits of scientific endeavor for all time. Good luck with that, Billy.

@DrKlausTrophobie

19 күн бұрын

That's actually what Billy was trying to argue: Things change from supernatural to natural. But that's not the case. Lightning never was supernatural. Even when people claimed it's caused by gods, it was natural all he time.

@terrencelockett4072

Күн бұрын

​@@DrKlausTrophobie Yes, just because people believed it to be supernatural is not what would have made it supernatural.

"Science cannot investigate the supernatural, therefore everything we find that science cannot investigate is supernatural." I cannot lift a double-decker bus, therefore everything I cannot lift is a double-decker bus. I cannot believe that he has been thinking about this for years and cannot find the error in his thinking, therefore everything I cannot believe he has been thinking about for years and cannot find the error in his thinking.

Billy is like one of those flat earther guys who said: "if the planet is a globe and gravity was a real thing, we would all be stuck to the ground".. ..we aren't stuck to the ground....?

@PaPaGonzo

20 күн бұрын

that's fucking hilarious

@einienj3281

20 күн бұрын

@@PaPaGonzo 😄😄

@ragg232

20 күн бұрын

We sure as hell can't leave the ground without applying some kind of force.

@einienj3281

19 күн бұрын

@@ragg232 I have no idea what flat earthers mean by "stuck to the ground", like crushed flat? 🤭😂

@briarrose6442

17 күн бұрын

I mean, we are stuck to the ground, but not like that centrifugal force ride from Delgrosso's

My fave part was when Billy said dark matter has never been detected while explaining how dark matter has been detected

@trafficjon400

20 күн бұрын

Billy - because the dark matter move's around so fast ! you can't detect what silly Billy detected, from the undetected. 🤔😬😵‍💫😉

@thedave1771

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, I’m usually pretty good at understanding thought processes even if I don’t agree, but… He’s starting with explaining how we detect something then saying we can’t detect it. 😂

Another Billy from TX call today? Lemme guess: He'll drip with smugness, then get unjustifiably angry...

@thickerconstrictor9037

20 күн бұрын

You forgot he'll have a terrible argument that he thinks is amazing

@puckerings

20 күн бұрын

Also you forgot about him telling everyone to calm down when he says dumb shit and they call him out on it.

@mattjindrak

20 күн бұрын

Wait this is the same guy who was yelling at the women??

@tiltingwindmill

20 күн бұрын

@@mattjindrak Not sure, but very likely. He always gets angry. For zero reason.

@claudiasolomon1123

20 күн бұрын

​@@mattjindrak they suggested a hypothetical world devoid of suffering only made of peace & joy. This concept infuriated him.

Ignorance and confidence are the prime ingredients for a good evangelist.

There are scientists actively trying to detect dark matter directly.

It's completely flawless so long as I don't acknowledge any of the flaws that you guys are pointing out lmao xD I think this dude has a heaping case of sunk cost fallacy, he's worked on this thing for so long he can barely hold it together let alone wrap his head around critiques of it

The guy's first statement is equivalent to me saying: "I don't like to eat onions. Therefore, anything I don't like to eat is an onion." Flawless only if you're going for comedy.

@wizardsuth

14 күн бұрын

Formally it's called "affirming the consequent". It's one of the formal logical fallacies the ancient Greeks identified thousands of years ago.

I have _really_ got to remember not to click on "throwback" videos that have "Billy" as the caller.

@freddan6fly

20 күн бұрын

He was as smart as expected. Thanks for your warning, I took a glass of wine before starting the video.

@AbsurdlyGeeky

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, we could use a warning in the title.

If Dunning Kruger had not already been discovered, . . .

@lnsflare1

20 күн бұрын

"It would be supernatural!"

‘I showed it to universities and they can’t find anything wrong with it’ ‘Well when they and you start bringing up things I plug my ears and cry’ Amazing intelligence on this believer

100% don't believe they "took it to university"

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

20 күн бұрын

2nd that.

@lnsflare1

20 күн бұрын

Maybe Patriot University.

@bazingaburg8264

20 күн бұрын

Prager U, at best, and even they put more effort into their nonsense.

@BruceCarroll

15 күн бұрын

He said he did, and they found flaws in his flawless syllogism by picking it apart.

@Mewse1203

2 күн бұрын

He probably took it to one of those stupid religious universities who think just like he does.

Billy is confusing supernatural for unknown. That's his whole problem. In theory we have 3 categories. Natural, Supernatural and Unknown. Billy wants to remove the Unknown column and make it the same as the Supernatural.

@freddan6fly

20 күн бұрын

The question if Billy has a brain is supernatural.

@diogeneslamp8004

20 күн бұрын

@@freddan6fly I see what you did there.

@freddan6fly

20 күн бұрын

@@diogeneslamp8004 Perhaps one glass of wine too much. It was at least a spin on the OP.

@brichardson7884

20 күн бұрын

I think supernatural would be an empty category though, or call it 'probably BS' instead lol. I think a better example than dark matter would've been what happened before the big bang, if anything. That is something we may never know

@diogeneslamp8004

20 күн бұрын

@@freddan6fly I appreciated your efforts. Your wine did its job.

"I haven't found any flaws".. so Confidentially incorrect.

@YaManImCool

21 күн бұрын

Well, he WAS correct. HE hadn't found flaws... Doesn't mean there weren't any.

@einienj3281

21 күн бұрын

​@@YaManImCoolHe also declared that the university couldn't find any flaws.. he must have taken his theory to the cafeteria or something..

@KeithMickunas

20 күн бұрын

@@einienj3281 From what he said it sounds like they found flaws, he just wouldn't accept them. In his opinion they were just nitpicking.

@einienj3281

20 күн бұрын

@@KeithMickunas But of course. He is smarter than anyone, even though his case blew up the second he opened his mouth.. narcissistic confidence is amazing.

@KarlBunker

20 күн бұрын

... And he'll go to his grave without himself or anyone else finding flaws, because he's incapable of listening or hearing. He's an impenetrable forcefield of willful ignorance.

Billy's argument flipped on its head: 1. Science can't investigate things that aren't real, therefore anything science can't investigate isn't real. 2. Science can't investigate the supernatural. 3. Therefore, the supernatural isn't real. It's just as valid as what he presented.

The best clip with Billy is the one with Genevieve and Katy hosting. Billy gets very angry, he is nearly beside himself. Genevieve and Katy handle him so well and they are ever so funny. Watch it, it is worth your time.

“I haven’t found any flaws.” -me after the teacher lets me grade my own test

"It was a perfect syllogism and then they indicted me. So unfair."

Holy cow, guys!! It's more simple than that to rebuke the whole argument. Premise one presupposes that the super natural exists. I reject that presupposition, and therefore premise one, until it has been proven, that the super natural exists... Easy!

Nobody has been able to find flaws is his syllogism....because he has only presented it to theists.

Billy's assertion that his argument is flawless reminds me of a conversation I had recently with a theist where I explained in thorough detail how the concept of a god that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-loving is contradictory, and the theist responded with "I understand what you're saying, but there's still no contradictions with that god." Some people just refuse to admit defeat even when they acknowledge defeat.

You know when you pull out the old I'm older than you argument, you lost the debate.😂😂😂

P1 All dogs are cats P2 All cats are fish C All dogs are fish. A perfect syllogism.

This caller is Billy from the Austin Stone Church. He's called in multiple times and when Matt talks circles around him, he gets all offended and says, "So you think you're just smarter than everyone else?!"

We can’t investigate the future, therefore the future is supernatural. Wow that was hard to debunk.

i think Jamie has got fed up with Billies crap , good on you Jamie

"Never argue with a Stupid person, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" Mark Twain.

"Who cares who did it! Thats not the point!" ......thats exactly the point, Billy. Thats The POINT!!

We don’t “think of every way to falsify it.” We “haven’t found anything that falsifies it.” There’s always something we haven’t thought of.

Billy is like a lot of callers, he isnt as clever as he thinks he is.

@twowardrobeswardrobes1536

20 күн бұрын

He’s been conditioned to think that if you say something confidently, and repeat it enough times, then that makes it as good as being true.

Sometimes when you look at a thought for so long you fail to see the wood for the trees...the errors become invisible to him. Well done to both for using this as a perfect learning opportunity. I only hope Billy rewatches and learns himself.

Sorry, but I loved how you guys started to argue like an old couple that still love even after 60 years of marriage. 😂🥰

"I've worked on this for years!" Debunked in under 30 seconds.

My favorite part of his argument is when he eventually says," Who cares who did it?" XD

Billy convinced himself that his argument couldn’t be defeated and so refused to acknowledge anything that could defeat it. It became unfalsifiable to him and he couldn’t recognize that as a flaw itself.

I love how his argument is "I'm older than both of you together"

The guy was literally like "I'm older than you guys"... and it's like.. so that means you understand everything??? How? 😂😂😂

"I'm probably twice as old as you, I've been through the arguments many many many times." So he's 60+ and he still has a maturity issue as debilitating as this?

"If science doesnt have an answer the default answer is obviously ghosts" is what this entire guys point boils down to 😂😂😂😂

I have a similarly flawless syllogism that I worked on for about half a second: All dogs are mammals, therefore anything that's a mammal is a dog. It's flawless, because I say it is.

90 seconds in, I'm already dying laughing.

Billy is the poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect... It's also hilarious to compare how he speaks to the male hosts and the female hosts of these shows. Billy doesn't know what he doesn't know and he doesn't know much. The worst thing about Billy is that he has at least one child... That kid is going to have a rough life if they listen to Billy.

Billy's essentially saying 'everything's magic until demonstrated not to be magic'. It's flawless until the idea gets outside his head.

He worked on it for years, it took me less then a literal second after his second premise to see the flaw

This guy literally never stopped talking, because if he did a flaw in his perfect argument might have actually been presented! “Flawless argument“ 😂😂

21:50 "look what you did, Billy :D" LMFAO

He made the square rectangle mistake. Supernatural things cannot be explained by science, but not every inexplicable thing is supernatural.

"I have thought of every possible counter to this." No. You have thought of every single counter *_you_* can think of. That's not impressive. That's just what happens in assertion. Assertion is not debate. Its why you need to practice and be thoroughly informed on the topic you're debating.

Is the distinction between natural and supernatural personal or for everybody? For example I don't understand how a rocket engine works even though many people do, Is it supernatural to me?

@porkyboy4226

20 күн бұрын

It depends on how gullible you are😂

@benjaminmadrigalperez9010

20 күн бұрын

For some tribes cameras are supernatural

I really liked the footprints analogy. The can crushing one not so much.

Matt would have blown a gasket over this guy.

@lizzieh5284

20 күн бұрын

He certainly would have.

Dogs can't eat chocolate, therefore anything a dog can't eat is chocolate

Flawless, just cause I say so. Quit trying to show my flaws

Ok, so even if we can agree that X is a thing that has property Y (a supernatural thing cannot be investigated) ... it does NOT follow that all things with property Y (can't be investigated) are in the bucket X (supernatural things).

If Billy was twice as intelligent as he actually is he would be half as intelligent as he thinks he is.

It’s flawless lol 😂

Sounds like Billy needs his diaper changed

There will always be things that science cannot investigate yet. We don't yet know if we will be able to investigate it tomorrow. Calling it supernatural would be foolish.

"You didn't directly detect or observe that I kicked you in the nuts under the table. You just felt the effect of something smash your groin and the pain thereafter. It felt like whatever did it did it with the intent to cause pain. My hands have been on the table this whole time. Therefore, you cannot say I kicked you in the nuts."

He is trying to make an argument for god of the gaps

@gregsanich5183

20 күн бұрын

The God of the gaps fsllacy is a strawman arguement.

Billy absolutely LOVES Billy

Science cannot investigate metaphysics either. That doesn't make metaphyaica supernatural.

This guy sounds a lot like a caller named Hamish, just minus the cartoonish accent.

Well now I want to go for a beer and talk about free will with these guys 😂

His flawless syllogism starts with a premise that contains a very obvious logical fallacy. This will not go well.

What i really struggle with in this discussion: Measuring gravity, looking how cans get crushed, *is* investigation. To claim it's supernatural dispite measurable, natural effects is a contradiction.

a savant on philosophy and science. caller must be a christian!

The fallacy in the first premise is called "affirming the consequent". It takes the form P implies Q, Q is true, therefore P is true. In this case P is "X is supernatural" and Q is "X can't be investigated scientifically".

Through Billy’s logic, if all you can find of a person is footprints then that person is supernatural because you can’t investigate them further.

The caller's definition of supernatural would include magnetic fields, gravity and quantum fields, and also most perpetrators of crimes. Because we "investigate" those things through effects and inference, not through direct observation. You could argue that even direct observation is also "just" an effect, because vision is observing the effect of light bouncing off of an object. The definition is so broad so as to be meaningless, and that is ultimately just arguing semantics: redefining "supernatural" gets us no closer to concluding that gods, ghosts or magic exists. But also, my goodness that dude was rude and egotistical.

By this guy's argument gravity is supernatural unless you find something like gravitons because it's only observed by its effect on other things.

Wow. That guy really got under their skin. These two are the calmest hosts I've seen, so it's pretty surprising.

What if unicorn farting pixies created the universe. Billy….why are they farting !

Calm down Billy 😂😂😂

I wonder if Billy called Xeno to commiserate

@ARoll925

20 күн бұрын

@@canbest7668 I would listen to Billy all day over Xeno, I really don't like Xeno, the condescending narcissistic bullshit spouted by that person is insufferable, then he has the nerve to call Matt a narcissist, he really made me mad, billy's asinine bullshit and anger just make me laugh cause he's so ridiculous

@canbest7668

20 күн бұрын

@@ARoll925 agreed

Fractal wrongness = Perfect syllogism 😂

"They" are 100% investigating dark matter. Is Billy drunk?

@vtwin1979

19 күн бұрын

Drunk on religion

I mean, wouldn't we be able to detect him if we filled the space with aluminum cans?

When you see something you are observing the effect of light on an object not detecting the object itself. Observing dark matter by its gravitational effect isn’t really much different.

I love Jamie 14:00 😂

Isn't his first argument about science/supernatural is just a form of the textbook fallacy: "all men are mortal/Socrates is mortal/therefore Socrates is a man"?

I love how Billy said he had tested his syllogism and no one had found an issue with it, only to soon after admit people had issues with it. The first claim implied people all accepted it thus far, when the reality was Billy himself simply did not "approve" of their rejections. Sounds a lot different doesn't it?

It sounds like many people have taken his argument apart but he didn't listen. It's like he just puts fingers in his ears and shouts I can't hear you

If you take Billy's stapler again he will burn the office down.

The solution is very simple. In one hand, if his defition of supernatural is that which science will never investigate, we should pose him "how do you know that will never be the case?". If, in the other hand, he defines supernatural to be that which science cannot yet investigate, it follows that there are tons of things that have transicioned from supernatural to natural, therefore obviating that the term is subjective to humanity, and it has not an objective reality.

Jamie "I have a black belt in hijacking the share of speaking time" Boone