He says, "I know that using the Bible to prove the Bible sounds crazy, but just listen, these scriptures prove it"

@apackofhoboes

2 ай бұрын

I mean, at least he is almost completely self-aware of how silly he sounds. 😂

@walter6574

2 ай бұрын

@@apackofhoboes key word 'almost'.

@apackofhoboes

2 ай бұрын

@@walter6574 I mean, if he moved the goal posts a little bit more he would realize it. Maybe

@victorhoisington5603

2 ай бұрын

Jerry has a mouth like a runaway train!

@arthurhunt642

2 ай бұрын

Typical attorney .

Like most apologists, the man has no idea what evidence even is.

He isn't here to listen, he's here to preach, that's why he's moving the goal posts and butting in.

@chriscosby2459

2 ай бұрын

Jerry is so brainwashed that he cannot see the nonsense he is claiming.

@mitchhaelann9215

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't even call it preaching. It was barely-coherent rambling, at best. Preaching has a point, it has definable 'story beats' and an end-goal that the preacher is trying to coerce or trick the listener into arriving at. This guy just ranted.

@raccuia1

2 ай бұрын

And that's how these creatures live their lives. They create a narrative and live in an unmovable fantasy that suits their emotional needs. Those that challenge this paradigm will be met with delusion, gaslighting, deflection, salad talking, emotional reasoning and any other of a number of defense mechanisms and cognitive distortions. A great portion of these creatures will then rage or gaslight you with abuse as they seek to get away from confronting any semblance of reality or objectivity. They are a lost cause but also they can be very dangerous particularly collectively.

@stevewhite6861

2 ай бұрын

@@mitchhaelann9215 I didn't say he was doing it well, he just wanted to preach.

This guy shifted gears from friendly to condescending so fast.

@MaxRenke

Ай бұрын

very skillful narcissist.

Gotta love when people argue "well, I'm right and you just refuse to get it." Super convincing. 🙄

@northernbrother1258

2 ай бұрын

"The reason you don't agree with me is because you don't agree with me. If you agreed with me then you'd agree with me." 🥴

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

2 ай бұрын

Christians are the worst kind of folks. They keep it all polite and respectful on the surface. But there's always this condescending arrogance underneath. Waiting to boil over when someone calls them out on their bullshit. They present themselves as curious, or trying to understand your point of view, yet it’s clear they have zero interest in genuinely listening to what you are saying. Instead, their only desire is to speak to you to attempt covert you. It’s say’s a lot about their true character.

@starsforeverdwell

Ай бұрын

During what I call my “hippie phase,” I encountered this mentality ALL THE FREAKING TIME. 🙄 I’m right, I’ve seen the light, and if you disagree, then you’re just not “ready/enlightened” yet.

The arrogance and ignorance of this guy are staggering!

@walter6574

2 ай бұрын

In other words Dunning-Kruger effect.

@emordnilaps

2 ай бұрын

@@walter6574 D-K, yes, plus some sort of superiority syndrome ("well, you've not read the bible correctly")

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

2 ай бұрын

With all the con men in religion, Jerry, tell me how you know you are not just being conned?

@Olyfrun

2 ай бұрын

​​@@emordnilapsisn't that just classic Dunning-Kruger?

"if you're not willing to listen" No Jerry, YOU are not listening, or answering the question asked

@AlanFehr

2 ай бұрын

Projecting!

1:04 “The common, United States kinda Bible …” Well, that speaks volumes.

@themartialartsapproach8786

2 ай бұрын

Pun intended?

@A-WallfromAL

2 ай бұрын

@@themartialartsapproach8786 HA!!! 👍🏼

@sparki9085

2 ай бұрын

It speaks one volume

@petyrkowalski9887

2 ай бұрын

The buy-bull

Jerry is the one true Scotsman.

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

"I am the One True Scotsman. ...and so's my wife!"

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

@@brucebaker810 😂

@EiferBrennan

2 ай бұрын

Brilliant!

This guy in a nutshell. If you Don't. believe the way I believe then you didn't read it right.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

2 ай бұрын

For me at this point pretending to respect people’s religious beliefs is an exercise in futility. I do not respect people who CHOOSE to be gullible and uneducated - and try to foist that nonsense onto me

"Hell is hotter, it consumes completely." So what you're saying, Jerry, is that Hell is on the "clean oven" setting, not just broil?

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Satan likes a clean workspace. 😜

@feedingravens

2 ай бұрын

Hotter than the ovens in the concentration camps? 93% of the germans in Nazi Germany were christians. For Jerry, of course, they belonged to the 2.68 billion christians misled by Satan. Resp. misled by (christianity-inherent) antisemitism, duty, honour, Nationalism, Hitler's personality.

@cy-one

2 ай бұрын

I'd rather take from this that one won't be tortured in hell forever. Cause it ends when the consumption of one's sole reaches completion.

@NaliTikva

Ай бұрын

@@cy-one yeah way better

You just need to open the book: and interpret it exactly the way I do!

Jerry just wants to preach. He doesn't shut up.

Have you ever had this conversation, except that the believer was able to listen and answer the questions asked? Ever? One time?

@Plaksa2004

2 ай бұрын

Happens sometimes on the Atheist experience

@theonlyendlesscircle

2 ай бұрын

Never. I have been watching these shows for several months, and I have not heard an Evangelical answer a question or debate honestly. Religious people are so completely dishonest and I don't think that they are going to lose an ounce of sleep over it.

@DreadEmpath69

2 ай бұрын

I mean.... Miracles do happen 😂😂😂

Another dominating-the-conversation-equals-being-correct theist. The irony of thinking they'd agree if they'd only listen

@feedingravens

2 ай бұрын

It is an art to get these people to realize what they are doing there. You have to take them along, tempt them to talk, want you to understand, so much that they go outside of the bubble of ready-made recitals and THINK about how to express it themselves, in other words. And once you got them out of their holy, untouchable words, you can question them about those. And make them see the issues THERE. And then lead them back carefully "But what you said yourself and what you said is problematic is what you said is the meaning of your holy text. Does the problem apply to that as well?" They have to (re)learn how to think on their own, about WHAT they think and WHY. And one has to plant the seed of curiosity, that it is INTERESTING to find stuff out, find it out on your own, go where YOU want to, and not where someone else determined where you want to go.

Goal posts with wings

@walter6574

2 ай бұрын

That sounds Muslim.

@matthatch3920

2 ай бұрын

Sounds more like every religion.

@walter6574

2 ай бұрын

@@matthatch3920 I should have been more clear, MooHamit (sic intentional) flew to heaven on a winged horse. Winged.

@CycocelVocalist

2 ай бұрын

for your comfort and protection

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Goal posts had a Red Bull.

What till this caller finds out that he's just as good as the "professional" apologists. *All apologists are bad...*

Jerry is showing the typical Dunning Kruger effects

I'm surprised you didn't call Jerry out for automatically assuming you "haven't heard the full message of Christianity" at the outset. I sure would've.

jerry needs to read anything other than that book

I'm coming from AXP, which sometimes lets the callers say way too little. But this is all the way on the other end, where you just let the caller go off on some monologue that you really should've interrupted fairly early on.

Let me take these goal posts and put Wile E Coyote Acme rocket skis on them.... 😂😂😂

That caller deserves a special asylum for him.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

2 ай бұрын

Imagine what goes on in these people’s heads. It’s amazing to me how people can believe these religious stories that play over and over in their imaginations. It’s mental illness. How do they function in the real world? The depth of their delusions and their grip it has on their mind is terrifying. I just hope they have someone caring for their well-being.

@CyberBeep_kenshi

2 ай бұрын

mom's basement?

@jiggyguy7782

2 ай бұрын

​@@CyberBeep_kenshi Mom's spaghetti 🍝

@MikeBeltMikeBelt

2 ай бұрын

well, it is called the church :p

"Go to a children's oncology ward" everytime i bring that up to thiests they get real quiet

The Medes and the Persians are two separate empires. They are conflated in Christian theology ( and only in Christian theology) in order for the prophecy to make sense. Originally this prophecy pointed to the Greeks, but after the Greeks were replaced by the Romans as the dominant force in the region, the prophecy would have been wrong unless they reinterpreted it as the Medes and the Persians being the same empire. The evidence this caller is pointing to as proof of God is actually proof of Biblical errancy.

This guy is mental. Doesnt he know that many novels contain real places and some real people. In Jerry's world that means that everything in a novel is true. Doh!!!

@tsunekakou1275

2 ай бұрын

mundane places, people, events prove miracles. such low standard and non sequitur.

@kissit012

2 ай бұрын

I doubt jerry, or people like him, read many books at all. Thats why the bible is so fascinating to them, theres no real comparison and they get to make up whatever they want about it

Jerry sound like a caller called Jon from Hawaii. Same voice same Circular Arguments.

@wasssyup

2 ай бұрын

Probably because he is. There's a video that went up yesterday with mat and the blond bearded man as the hosts and this guy went under the name of jerry. 3th vid in the video roster. 45 min long.😅

This has big GTA 3 Chatterbox radio station energy

Sorry for writing such a long note, and thank you for reding it. I would love to hear your opinions and please enlighten me wherever I am wrong. It was a typical discussion between a bigot believer and a logical man. The atheist (Heaten) was all the time trying to calm Jerry (the believer) down by a nice , calm voice and based whatever he was saying on logical reasoning. Jerry on the other hand was repeating what he had already said 200 times and he was almost screaming. Jerry's argument was something like this: 2+2 is 5 and you must believe it because the Bible says so. When Heathen demonstrated the mistakes of the Bible, Jerry screamed even louder and said : You read the Bible but you do not understood it. ( As if only Jerry is smart enough to understand a book which has copy pasted some fables ( like the story of Abraham and etc) from other cultures, like old Persian mythology, into the old and new testament. Almost all the discussions with religious people ( who have never dared to use their brain and are scared of critical thinking , is similar to this one . They claim that whatever is in their scripture is correct because it is the word of God but they all fail miserably to demonstrate : 1- there is God 2- the scripture is really revealed by him. As an answer to the above 2 questions we always get the same answer : You must have faith ( which essentially means: believe in it without any good evidence or logic , and never doubt or question it). How can anyone convince such a mindset, brainwashed since the birth, of the truth? Listening to such religious people with such a mindset makes me sometimes very frustrated. Here is a funny ( at the same time kind of sad truth) : Until 10-15 years ago I wouldn't believe that such a close minded, illogical people existed. Do you know why? Because I was myself one them with the exactly the same attitude and mindset. Any way, this is what I have found out: In short : faith kills rationality and logic. I really don't intend to insult anyone but I sincerely believe that faith is a kind of sickness of brain (mind) ad such a people need help. The funny part ( perhaps dangerous would be a better word. Especially in the case of Islam , since I was a muslim once) : We sincerely want to help them to open their eyes but they are taught by Allah that we must be killed because we don't believe in that imaginary, despotic dictator, misogynistic and ignorant being as a God.

@Faightfreedom-gr9nd

26 күн бұрын

Great perspective.

Other books mention real places, the Iliad and Odyssey are great examples. They don’t make Zeus real.

@wizardsuth

2 ай бұрын

Spider-Man comics are set in New York, and New York is a real place. That doesn't mean Spider-Man is real.

Who's going to tell him that the prophecy in Daniel was written after the events described? 🤐

The fact that the caller won’t listen, stop talking, let hosts talk, and accuses hosts of not listening shows enough about his character. He’s there to preach, not listen. He doesn’t care what they have to say, he’s just trying to prove his cheesy view.

This is your regular reminder that most Jews think that Christians interpretations of the Hebrew scriptures are completely wrong. Maybe Jerry is just another person not properly understanding the texts.

@elementalargon7597

2 ай бұрын

Well, yeah. But that just means those Jews have an incorrect understanding of Scripture, because I have the one true understanding of it. Duh. --- How I imagine Jerry would react to your statement.

The dude in the rocket could have renter a Cessna and a flight instructor for the price of the parachute for that rocket. Professor Brian Cox flew to Australia and rented a British Electric Lightning fighter jet that took him high enough to clearly see the curvature of the earth and he filmed the flight. Dying for a stupid publicity stunt!

Sorry Jerry, when people don't agree with you it does not mean they did not hear you.

It's wild to hear a caller call in just to hear themselves talk

@feedingravens

2 ай бұрын

Most of them are so, same with flat earthers. That are usually not flat earthers, but globe deniers. They have ZERO interests how the flat earth looks like and how things work on a flat earth, all that counts is that them globies are all wrong

The Hell of the Bible will ruin your whole weekend.

@brucebaker810

2 ай бұрын

JC had a Really Bad Weekend to save you, me, and Steve from Hell./s

Invincible ignorance plus arrogant condescension. What a charming combination.

jerry sounds like he's looking for a dictator

18:42 I watched a show last night that had Canadians in it. It blew my socks off when I learned that.

An example of failed prophecy in the Bible: Matthew 1:23 kjv "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

2 ай бұрын

Another example: Matthew 16:28: "Verily I say unto you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." 2,024 years later……….still waiting. Jesus……JUST ANOTHER FALSE PHROPHET.

At the end of the day, some people will accept msgic. I never could. I think people like to beleive they have special knowledge. Its a sad situation pressed by foolish institutions.

@walter6574

2 ай бұрын

I used to enjoy magic. I performed magic tricks in high school. Now I typically avoid magic unless I catch something that to me looks improbable and want to know how it is done. Magic to me now is understanding the brilliance of magicians who come up with that technique.

Man, is this Ned Flanders from " The Simpsons? ".His voice mannerism is uncanny!!😮😅

When he started condescendingly chuckling... dude, if that’s how “god” wanted you to act on the call, then he doesn’t want anyone to believe 😂

I'm relieved to realize I don't share Jerry's mindset. It's disheartening to grasp that my final breath marks the end, while Jerry faces death with the comfort of believing in paradise to come. Consider if, before birth, we were presented with a choice: "Would you prefer to live unaware of reality, believing in an afterlife, or confront reality, knowing life ends?" If posed with that question, I'd find it incredibly challenging to respond.

@stevesmith1689

2 ай бұрын

Eternity is an awfully long time ... these people never seem to give any thought to what they would actually like to do with the time.

@lizzieh5284

2 ай бұрын

If Jerry is going to heaven I don't want to go there.

Jerry says the key point at 15:00 common to many apologists when Bible verses are brought up: "Just because you've heard one interpretation of it doesn't mean you've heard the correct one." The correct one always being that of their particular sect or denomination, when there are usually other equally valid competing interpretations. Continuing the conversation past that point is jumping into the theological briar patch, with the speakers reciting Bible verses back and forth, along with what they claim to be the "correct interpretation" or "what it really means."

I fully agree with everything said. Buuuuut. I still watch this series every year of two. Pure guilty pleasure

WOW I CANT BELIEVE THEY BELIEVE LOL 😂 it’s like believing the Wizard of Oz is a true story

"All that means is the people who wrote the New Testament, read the Old Testament" - Bill Maher

NEWSFLASH JERRY, there's no way to confirm Nebuchadnezzar's dream either, to say that there is, is wild

"Wait?...what? There are more magical people? That's a great line. Totally stealing that the next time one of these individuals approaches me.

It's Jerry the tru Christian !

When a fire burns the end of an age, we call that Dark Souls XD

I'm amazed at the number of callers who outright refuse to answer simple questions. They're either trying to avoid a trap they think is there, or refusing to answer, or don't see the point so ignore it.. If Fred wants to convince Jerry of something, then Fred needs to adapt his message to meet Jerry in Jerry's own headspace. If Jerry has answers, Fred must answer them. Avoiding them for any reason weakens the argument. If Fred doesn't feel comfortable answering the question, he can say that but should still address it directly anyway. If asked a simple binary yes/no question, answer yes or no THEN add qualifiers and clarifications. But answer the question first.

Jerry needs to back off the Mountain Dew or Coffee.

I play games while listening to these shows, and this was he first time while playing a game I caught myself saying out loud "dammit Jerry let them talk", that's how frustrating that was.

Jerry seems real good at convincing himself of something !

Jerry doesnt know what the word 'evidence' means.

@Jcs57

2 ай бұрын

What Jerry does know wouldn’t fill a thimble.

How does Jerry know that the being the calls God isn't actually the devil?

I love when they ask for an "open mind" when what they mean is "to accept the absolute dogma I accept at the exclusion of all/ any other dogmas and/ or reasonable positions there might exist to hold"! 😂

Plenty of special pleading going on here, as well as circular arguments.

Well you open the book to get a bigger surface area to squash bugs.

It would be VERY funny to see Jerry in a court of law when he is acused of a crime. He would simply say: "I am a human and I am.not guilty. Since I clearly is human, then I must also not be guilty, since both statement was in the same sentence!"

Talk about the past isn't prophecy. The stuff about Nebuchadnezzar was written after he lived, not before. As for telling Nebuchadnezzar about the countries that would come, it doesn't name any of them, it makes vague statements about iron and clay toes that people attached to countries after the fact. Saying something vague and super-metaphorical and then assigning it a specific interpretation after a specific thing happened isn't prophecy either, not in any honest or meaningful way.

I would.have stopped at "US Bible"

Am I the only person watching this that thinks that the police should be checking Jerry's basement?

Unrewarding discussion...

"Today I want you to understand my faith and believe in my god. Tomorrow I want you to listen to me, believe everything I say, ask no questions, do what I tell you to do and give me money." At the end of the day having religious faith means allowing someone to have power over you and giving them your money. Religion has no other purpose.

"Oh no the tomatoes have perished." Guess they're in hell now.

Lmao he actually said prophecy from *other* religions are too vague. It's not even a pot and kettle anymore, it's two pots both screaming that they're actually apples.

He's a REAL Christian. Now Christians are judging each other and not just Atheists.

It’s kinda of sad actually that the moment they say “I’m a Christian” and “refer to the Bible” the assumptions about them that I instinctively make.

@noracola5285

2 ай бұрын

At this point it isn't an assumption, it's an observed pattern.

Everytime I saw this channel I thought it said talk heaven

Faith is not a virtue. Faith is gullibility. Faith is the surrender of your mind. Faith is the abandonment of logic and reason. Faith is the surrender of your free will. Faith is your weakness.

Faith is up to the person. Period. I couldn't care less of YOUR beleif. I have mine. Take care!

I strongly feel that if someone is preaching its a big warning that they are pushing a delusion and feel insecure unless they can convince others of it.

KZread has a lot of atheist content. Yet it also has a ton of christian content. I can watch videos especially music videos from countries around the world. I also can see comments from believers from across the globe. We all live in our unique worlds.

Delusion is a thing. Jerry is deluded.

I'm not sure I find burning me to death/oblivion is all that much more just than burning me for eternity. Both seem pointless, vindictive, and petty.

Matt would be swearing his head off 5 minutes in. I like listening to these two who can have a civil conversation, no matter how batshit crazy the callers are. ☺

Jerry is straight oughta Letterkenney.

That one guy called you and accused you of being too afraid to open the bible and read it. Now everyone is.

I hate to break it to Jerry, but I'm confident my socks will remain securely on my feet.

have you heard the good news, we are always looking for a few good suckers!

@Jcs57

2 ай бұрын

The good news is I have a carrot and a stick and you are free to choose. 🙄

If there ever was a Scotsman.

Faith is just wilful gullibility!

What a creepy creepy man, his hard drive needs investigating

@petermeichan3160

2 ай бұрын

or being hit with a hammer

@ganndeber1621

2 ай бұрын

@@petermeichan3160 No find out what is on it so he can be prosecuted

@petermeichan3160

2 ай бұрын

@@ganndeber1621 when you said hard drive i tohught it was a reference to his little brain

@ganndeber1621

2 ай бұрын

@@petermeichan3160 perhaps not a good idea to suggest hitting people's brain s with a hammer

@matthatch3920

2 ай бұрын

​@@ganndeber1621Perhaps a better idea would be to get a sense of humor.

This man is a Seventh Day Adventist or at least a Restorationist.

My version of the bible... God's word should be the same in every denomination. Provided god exists...

Jerry just doesn't have any idea what you were talking about, setting goalposts. He doesn't want to listen, he just wants to preach.

He sounds like a Seventh Day Adventist

Considering their state nickname, I would expect Missourians to be more skeptical.

Are those Deadmau5 hats on the screen in the background? Well, there's lot of them... so Deadmic3?

I love Darrell 💛

« I believe in the bible… the common United States bible » 😂😂😂😂

Jerry was here to preach and kick out all the bible verses he memorized

I know that conversations like this are very hard not to sidetrack, but I believe going through his supposed "best arguments" like the "predictions" in Daniel would have been more fruitful. I mean, not only are parts in them vague and will fit with anything, and there's also the almost consensus by scholars that it was written after the fact that most of these prophecies predictions had already happened, there are also CLEAR predictions that just DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH there as well, not even if you twist and turn them.

Jerry is a Seventh Day Adventist, pretty obvious. He has never read modern scholarly studies of the book of Daniel. That's probably where our hosts here needed to go at some point.

It’s like he’s plugging his ears with his tongue.

These people are totally in bread

@alicelaybourne1620

2 ай бұрын

sandwiches?