What is God Saving Us From? | Talk Heathen: Throwback
God made the problem of evil, so he could protect us from it? #religion #debate #logic
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Knock Knock! Me: who's there? Jesus! Me: yes what do you want? Jesus: let me in Me: why? Jesus: So I can save you Me: save me from what? Jesus: from what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in.
@terrycraig6386
Ай бұрын
This joke is sooooooo.....old. lol😅
@Beerglass1980
Ай бұрын
@@terrycraig6386 old but GOOD 👍
@mirandahotspring4019
Ай бұрын
Pretty much sums up Christianity. But we're talking about a god who sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself to pay himself for the sin he created.
@Ghalaghor_McAllistor
Ай бұрын
@@mirandahotspring4019 Best part, he loves us so much that he'll send us to a fiery lake of burning sulfur if we don't believe in him.
@Beerglass1980
Ай бұрын
@@terrycraig6386old but sooooooo GOOD!!! LOL
Caller: 'Everything in the bible is literally true.' Also Caller: 'The great flood didn't happen.' ... Should have pinned him to the wall on that nonsense and just repeated it over and over without letting him off.
@petermeichan3160
Ай бұрын
Matt would have held his feet to the fire for that one, we need more hosts like Matt
@josephmayfield945
Ай бұрын
@@petermeichan3160more hosts that have complete emotional breakdowns? No thanks. Matt’s a great thinker. But has the emotional intelligence of a three year old.
@petermeichan3160
Ай бұрын
@@josephmayfield945 in your opinion, i feel he gets frustrated with the callers stupidity and dis honesty , if you feel that way why not call him and ask him why he has the emotional intelligence ( whatever the hell that is ) of a three year old, id watch that call
@Byorin
Ай бұрын
@@petermeichan3160I doubt Matt would entertain the discussion. It really doesn’t take much for him to start hurling F-bombs or hanging up. It’s sad because he wasn’t always like that and originally seemed to genuinely care about these topics and the callers, but I guess all the calls over the years broke him. Ehh, of course I could be wrong and maybe it’s just strategic to use drama for views.
@petermeichan3160
Ай бұрын
@@Byorin i can asure you he does care, i think its that thiests callers tend to be extremely dishonest and thats what gets to him , but i would much rather old Matt clips than these ' i wanna be your friend ' hosts
Robert’s mom used to tell him how smart he was… and he absolutely believed her. 😂
@jimsmith3029
Ай бұрын
High on the list of dumbest callers ever.
I was raised in a secular household. My father was a doctor, a scientist, a skeptic, a rational thinker and an Atheist. When I was about 8 years old I told him that every time we had to stay over at Granny’s house, she would make us say prayers and sing the “Jesus loves me” song. I told him I didn’t understand it and asked him about it. He told me that some people, like Granny, believe that there is a God who wants to punish everybody because our ancestors did something he didn’t like, and he punishes all of their descendants. The punishment was to burn in Hell for all eternity. Me: That doesn’t seem fair. So he’s the bad guy? Dad: Yes. But there’s also a guy called Jesus that can keep you from going to Hell and let you go to Heaven. Me: So he’s the good guy, right? Dad: that’s what they believe. Do you want to hear the kicker? Me: yeah. Dad: They’re both THE SAME GUY! Me: Stop kidding around, that can’t be true, it doesn’t make any sense. We need God to save us from God? Dad: That’s the idea. Me: Well, that’s a pretty stupid idea. Ah, the wisdom of youth!
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
I didn't have a dad who taught me skepticism. I had one that sucked at teaching me religion.
@bobwilson3980
Ай бұрын
Everyone should read this. I have never heard it said so clearly before.
@chefroxstarr9467
6 күн бұрын
I hope this is a true story.
Interviewer: "What is the source of all evil?" Christopher Hitchens: "Religion."
@raccuia1
Ай бұрын
Talk Heathen: Theist, prove there is a god. Theist: I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts.
@verbosedy9947
Ай бұрын
Years ago I would damn you to hell! Now I'd say....Damn. Good point.
@maggiebarrett7300
Ай бұрын
“I make peace and CREATE EVIL” Isaiah 45:7 So god is the source of all evil !
@verbosedy9947
Ай бұрын
@@maggiebarrett7300 Never noticed that one (and I read the bible many times back in the dark ages of my life). That might be bumper sticker worthy.
Somebody fetch this guy some metal heeled shoes. He is so good at tap dancing.
@mirandahotspring4019
Ай бұрын
If he's not careful he'll fall off and land in the sink.
“The suffering will continue until morale improves.”
@anushkasekkingstad1300
Ай бұрын
What suffering does he imagine?
@JDdr86
Ай бұрын
They should've brought up Harlequin Ichthyosis...
@heiyuall
Ай бұрын
@@JDdr86 No sht. Nightmare fuel.
@JDdr86
Ай бұрын
@@heiyuall And no free will involved, except of course for (in some cases where the option is available) the stupid choice of not terminating the damn pregnancy, but other than that, I wanted to see this moron twist himself into knots trying to justify that one.
@beetogarcia9983
Ай бұрын
But first sausage, I’ve done all the push ups 😢
Absolutely classic! It took me listening to a few calls with Robert to understand that he thinks that all atheists are part of the same secret evil organization, and was trying to get the hosts of a few programs to admit to it. "Oh, could you give me the number for your local branch office here in New York?"
@mirandahotspring4019
Ай бұрын
If you can't see the blinding effects of your own religion, then the religion is working on you.
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the context.
@greeneyedlady5580
Ай бұрын
Yeah. Screw that guy and his stupid conspiracy theorizing. I think he's nuts. He seems to think he'll be a big hero for so skillfully 🙄 uncovering the nationwide secret atheist organization.
@sage-d4q
Ай бұрын
The reveal of the reason he kept asking was so fucking funny.
@kowoh
Ай бұрын
Ya he once said Africa didn't have books because he always heard pastor’s saying they needed donations to buy bibles for Africa. So this call isn't his worst.…. He also kept calling Africa a country rather than a continent. It's very common for Africans to speak 4 languages fluently. So should I think he’s a racist or just NOT WELL ? 🤷♂️
Religion twists the mind in such bizarre ways that we get to enjoy ourselves with the comedic entertainment people like Robert provide with their incongruent, incoherent contradictory nonsense.
This call reminds me that people listen too much on the pulpit rather than think for themselves whether items are true or fault.
@johnsperry9494
Ай бұрын
Not only are they not taught to think, they are taught NOT to think.
@quotedotes
Ай бұрын
Exactly. They're taught what's called "thought stopping" techniques, specifically so that they can avoid thinking critically, about the religion, or anything related to it.
@HumanismIsEvil
Ай бұрын
A believer in God and an atheist both have their brain replaced with a rock. What do you get? Two atheists Atheism has nothing to do with evidence has nothing to do with critical thinking you're not even required to have a brain to be an atheist. Atheism is a disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Which of course means it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God. Most atheist approximately 90% are forced into atheism living under their atheistic humanist government like North Korea matter of fact all atheistic governments are communists without exception. Outside of Communism the next largest representation for atheism is the LGBT community, need I say more.
@petermeichan3160
Ай бұрын
of course, why else would someone accept this nonsesne
@teve90
Ай бұрын
This guy has a sad case of the 'stupidities'
Robert from Long Island: "All throughout Israel's history God defended the people in miraculous ways." Um... six million Jews murdered by Christian Nazis would like to have a word with you about that claim.
@zapkvr
Ай бұрын
Well to be fair we only have your word they were "jewish". Whatever that means
@greeneyedlady5580
Ай бұрын
@@zapkvrYou have got to be kidding me. The Holocaust museum has many of their photos, dates they went into the camps, and the days they died. The Holocaust museum also has a presence on Twitter, where every day they post the story of another Jewish Holocaust victim. I'm not a bigoted a$$hat, so it makes me incredibly sad. About 35 years ago. I owned a bookstore. One day a couple of older women came in to the store and asked to speak to the owner. They were sisters, trying to sell a book that one of them had written. They both had the Camp numerical tattoos on their wrists. One sister had written a book about their history, and their experiences surviving being rounded up, and locked up in a death camp. To this day it makes me sad that I didn't have time to talk to them more. American troops helped liberate some of those campus, and they were horrified and sickened by what they found. I'm enraged that the people that were the victims of a horrific genocide are now carrying out a genocide in Gaza, so f*ck Netanyahu and his cronies.
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
By "protection"... Did he mean from permanent slavery? From _complete_ extinction? Thanks G.
@krisaaron5771
Ай бұрын
@@zapkvr I'm sure the Nazis -- and white supremacists here in the US today -- would be glad to enlighten you.
@bobwilson3980
Ай бұрын
There were 9 million put to death under Hitler for various reasons, none of them good. If you think being old is an abomination to God you would love the Hitler Jesus.
I literally spit out my drink when he said he doesn't believe the flood happened but then say the bible is 100% true lol
@angelman906
Ай бұрын
Along with the sad “…yes…” when asked if he understood that was contradictory, sadly I think he probably still believes both of those things (if he isn’t a troll)
Whenever I hear Rob's voice I just sigh with a forced smile
If God's job is "protecting the innocent," he is so fired!!! What a slouch! Hey God, have you seen what is happening on your watch?
@isaoblack987
Ай бұрын
According to most abrahamic religions no one is innocent (original sin and all that). Of course this makes "god's" job irrelevant.
"God knew Adam and Eve would sin before he created them. Isaiah quoted a statement from the Lord to show us: 'I am God, and there is none like me. I declare from the beginning how it will end and foretell from the start what has not yet happened'." "God" is here to protect us from the evil that "he" allowed. How benevolent.
@maggiebarrett7300
Ай бұрын
Well god was bored so created his own horror movie; even sadistic gods must get their entertainment somehow!
@mattjindrak
Ай бұрын
So much contradictory crap and if you point it out whether by statements or asking questions they go "those aren't contradictions". Complete idiocy
I don't know why but the point at which I totally lost it for the first time was when he started citing sources without saying the actual quotes he's citing. What an unhinged thing to do. 😂
@4yinyang
Ай бұрын
Right? Lol it's like he just knew "these guys like their sources so I'll just tell them some! That'll make me look intelligent and reliable!" Without obviously understanding WHY sources are important. XD what a clown!
@davidszeremi1786
Ай бұрын
That just confused me because he wasn't actually saying anything... It was like "Dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedia" what about it? Is the question what are books?
My family and I have nothing from which we need to be saved. If we had, the idea of relying on imaginary gods would be entirely laughable.
@doneestoner9945
Ай бұрын
You got that right !
The mental gymnastics a theist has to go through to justify their belief in the vile sky fairy in that immoral book is beyond stupid, they never see the contradictions they babble about.
@uncleanunicorn4571
Ай бұрын
Checkmate atheists, If god just left the sandwich out for us it would start world war three.
@mrcurly1147
Ай бұрын
They never read their "holy" book because they know it will convert them to atheism. They prefer to live in their pretend world.
@Speednote10
Ай бұрын
I think they do, at least some of them, but they're too far down the rabbit hole so they just gloss over it to protect themselves from having to face reality.
The Nazis were a christians not atheist, just how ignorant is this plank?
@anushkasekkingstad1300
Ай бұрын
Hitler was a catholic and was raised following the doctrine of the catholic church on jews. The first treaty the nazis signed was with the Vatican in July 1933.
@themanwithnoname1839
Ай бұрын
Thats what religious people do, they gatekeep and say "well they werent christ cultists like us cuz they did things we dont like"
@anushkasekkingstad1300
Ай бұрын
@@themanwithnoname1839 Absolutely right. Nobody judges christian cultists as regularly as other christian cultists. Their imaginary “gods” seem unable to agree
@MarquisLeary34
Ай бұрын
Granted, they were a weird version of Christianity with an unhealthy blend of Wagnerian imagery and myth.
@anushkasekkingstad1300
Ай бұрын
@@MarquisLeary34 no more weird or unhealthy than other christian cults.
38:55 - 39:13 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂"...because he can't understand THINGS!!!" The way he's voice cracked. One of the best, and funniest moments ever, by the legend himself.
So much ducking and dodging. Honestly, the hosts should have held this caller to his feet and make him answer the questions he refused to answer instead of letting him just run away every time. His go-to for anything he can't actually clap back at is just "But Hitler!", completely ignoring the fact that Hitler was a Christian and based his propaganda and book on Christianity Also, I don't think this guy's over 50 years old
@themanwithnoname1839
Ай бұрын
Hes in his sixties, and no, age doesent make you smarter, just older....
@tiltingwindmill
Ай бұрын
Nah, he sounds every bit of the 58 years he claimed. Maybe even another 10 or 15 years more. He's always good for a giggle or two. But, frankly, it's sad that how off the rails he can be.
What's god saving you from? Well it's pretty obvious, he's saving people from himself!
The Christian god is the source of every good in the world; and if he's "the creator of everything, then he's the source of all Evil. He could have created a perfect world, yet he couldn't get it the first few attempts so he had to destroy it to start again. In "The God Delusion", Richard Dawkins wrote, "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Game. Set. Match.
@greeneyedlady5580
Ай бұрын
Dawkins definitely nailed it there.
Was waiting for the unaliving of all but 1 family, due to being upset that they disagree with him
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
This guy …. Koo Koo for Cocoa Puffs ……
As a Rob also from Long Island, we don't claim this guy.
Holy shit, this call wanted to make me put my head through a wall, and was simultaneously the best call ever!
He's on to us guys!
If I ever feel stupid, I'll just think about this guy, and I'll feel like Einstein 😂
"the Bible is all true, except for this part!" I wished the hosts wouldn't have let that point go as easy as they did.
Fantastic 😂 the crew laughing is top tier 😂 you beautiful butterfly you 🦋
He thinks as citizens of a country that is not the USA that we give a damn about your pledge of allegiance. We couldn't care less about something.
@themanwithnoname1839
Ай бұрын
The pledge of allegiance is also extremely cult like and brain washy, teaching five year olds to blindly obey and pledge allegiance to a nation that doesent give one fuck about them until theyre able to pay taxes......
Sooo, did this guy escape from a Damion Runyan novel?
« God » is saving us from he’ll do if we dont believe in him.
"Can I talk about something else now that you caught me contradicting myself?"
Debating Robert is like shooting rats in a barrel.
@MrCanis4
Ай бұрын
Every time this caller bumps into the wall, he turns around and bumps into another wall.
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
Worst video game ever.
A god who wanted everyone to be fed and didnt want people to steal others food would just beam the food directly into the stomaches of everyone on Earth. ...Or, a truly intelligent designer would have designed us so that we didnt need to eat food at all.
@watchandjewelryloft4713
Ай бұрын
It's amazing how they agree with the genocide god commits but, all of a sudden this god can't keep people from stealing food as part of his ending of world hunger. Just wow. 😂
42:16 Hi from Melbourne Australia, Aron is making me hungry & boy was this a funny call.
robert sounds like leo gorcey of the bowery boys. he tries to sound smart but ends up looking like a fool.
Robert says humans were kicked out of hevean for misbehaving yet people can't misbehave in heaven.
"Believe in my god they way I tell you to believe, or I will hurt you! Believe what I tell you, do what I tell you to do, never question anything I say, give me money."
Guy one the phone sounds like Hecklefish 🤣
I actually agree with Robert about the food thing. An abundance of food would not necessarily demotivate people from fighting over other peoples' food. Some people just suck and might feel motivation to steal someone else's food anyway. _That being said,_ that someone sucks is not a convincing reason to not even try.
Great video. Logic is the enemy of theology!
Bro thinks capitalism is stronger than god, most honest thing i heard today, people thinks its easier to visualize the downfall of civilization before they can see the downfall of capitalism, it should naturally follow the same is true for their god.
Robert shouldn't confess that he's 58 years old because he has the thinking skills of a 3rd grader
😂 "Gentlemen we're gonna change the subject by two thousand years because I can't defend my position from a single point y'all are making..."
Robert: "Everyone has something a little bit wrong with them", and Robert is a shining example of things wrong.
Do angels have free will? Did the Devil when he caused suffering in Heaven? Is there suffering and fighting in Heaven?
Robert was raised on Long Island Iced Teas since in utero
a fervent enthusiast of not only tribal mythology but also of conspiracy theories from the land of delectable fruitcakes at large with horrible potential.
This is so frustrating... others have mentioned that Matt could've shut this down a lot faster, but fuck me... I could've shut this down faster. These guys are way too nice about it.
Hi from New Zealand!
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
Hi New Zealand 🇳🇿 Regards, Canada 🇨🇦
Nice to see the Ra man
30:06 - Robert, do you have any children? - no, I do not. Good for you 😂
What a nice cameo lol
The mental gymnastics cult is a sad place
A wild Aron-Ra appears! It uses wet smooch! Its super effective!
This caller is driving me crazy.
Damn I think he took the song from house of pain jump around a little too seriously lol
He refused to believe of course, but I'm glad you set him straight on the Nazis. Cognitive dissonance right there. He was incapable of seeing something bad as religious. The Catholics in Germany at that time celebrated Hitler's birthday.
If everyone has enough food to remain sated and full they will not be jealous of a person who has the same exact thing that they do that feeling would never happen
I thought Noah’s flood solved all of the evil on this planet at one point. Now…..there’s something to think about!
The guy has a bit of a point in that some people likely will fight even if there's enough food for everyone. But I'd argue if everyone had enough food, that would reduce the number of people who would fight because people who are only fighting to get food wouldn't have reason to fight, and the people who would fight regardless are a much smaller number, so it would still be worth it feeding everyone because even if it doesn't end fighting, it would lessen it.
Genesis 1:1 "In the Beginning God created..." (everything). Isaiah 45:7 God created good and evil (paraphrased). If God wants to save everyone from the evil he created, he should separate himself in half (good from evil) and throw the half of himself that created evil into the lake of fire. If Christianity's God created everything, and now has a goal of separating evil from everything else, then what was his purpose in creating evil?
🐨I've been an atheist for at least 6 years and on the subject I remember that the premise taught on why the perceived god of the bible allows suffering was based on two philosophical arguments. A seasoned theist will attempt to explain that there's absolutely nothing that a human being can endure that can be compared to the "Resurrection" into a new body. And second, god is chastising Christians as well as non believers while everything works to his glory. It was difficult answering this question for my own satisfaction and It actually took me over three decades before my mind could escape this psychological prison. I would have like to have heard a more mature Christian to had called in and attempted to address this question....🐨
This was exhausting
When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid.
There's a lot of these throw out any old answer people on long island, can't hv an honest discussion w them. I lived there for 35 years.
In the scheme of life this book isnt even a potato. I... wut XD i cant
Oh my gods, this guy is impossible to get through. If I had to facepalm myself given the logical exercises that these two gents gave the theist, and he's just not getting it...I'd have brain damage.
Robert should NEVER be in a position of authority or influence over any other human being. NEVER.
Unbelievable.😞
I couldn’t for the life of me figure out where I had heard Robert’s voice before and then I realized it was on old time radio shows from the 1930’s! Maybe he’s a ghost! 😱😵
According to Robert God is all powerful, except for when man intervenes
You like a beautiful butterfly 😂😂😂😂😂
If 2 people in a room had enough food, there is still motivation for person # 1 to steal the food from person # 2, because that person might want to extort something from the other, like money.
GOD SENT HIMSELF DOWN TO EARTH TO SAVE GODS CHILDREN FROM HIMSELF . SO GOD IS SAVING US FROM HIMSELF IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IN THE TITLE
I've found that most callers don't even listen to the questions, you would have to make it a childish conversation to make the caller repeat the questions!
Robert has issues. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
To be honest hes already out of reach, we should know when he said "athiest" and "hitler" in the same phrase
Welcome to planet derp.
I thought the Christian viewpoint was that suffering on Earth is a learning process - that those who learn to use their free will ethically and morally get to go to heaven.. I don't _believe_ that, I just wanted to point out that it's not illogical and that no "cognitive dissonance" is involved.
Also, in the Exodus Torah story, God has ways of metaphorically slapping people on the wrist if they hoard too much manna for themselves. So this guy's contention that his version of God wouldn't have a solution for people being greedy also falls flat by his own logic.
Hey, not fair! You asked things outside of his script, of course the caller can't respond.
3:20 No, more like the human attempt to create a specifically defined duality between `good vs `evil,` by special pleading to. a god concept as `the` cosmic authority.
One thing I noticed is that they got the meaning of cognitive dissidence wrong
God is saving us from himself like a mobster asking us to pay protection money to protect us from himself.
I really enjoy whrn adult childs can't realize the insane mentality in their fictional world and they arr just going on and on and on deeper and deeper into a logical trap and they keep smiling like idiots without realizing that they are stupidly fool and embarassing themselves. Its hilarious. 😅😂
Man, it was weird from the start, but the ending there...what in the actual fuck was going on? XD
Robert OBVIUSLY fail to realize that in a modern nation, everybody has drinking water, but NOBODY tries to hoard it.
Knock knock, who's there, god, what do you want? to come in, why, to protect you, from who? from me when I'm in.
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
Posted under every atheist video. Already here once I've seen. Why?
@wyldink1
Ай бұрын
@@brucebaker810 Because it's indisputably accurate?
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
@@wyldink1 Non sequitur. Perhaps true...but irrelevant. 3 x 14 = 42 is accurate. Doesn't / wouldn't justify posting it on every wall in town.
@wyldink1
Ай бұрын
@@brucebaker810 But it IS relevant. The entire schtick of Christianity is that we need a savior.
@brucebaker810
Ай бұрын
Our environment is increasingly populated by glurdge. I see people doing same with "First scoundrel" quote from Mark Voltaire. Theists spam scripture nonsense. Take up more attention than they deserve. By doing more of the same, are you "winning"? At what added cost to the virtual environment. Nothing is added. Just "here's a thing a smart dead guy said on this general topic".
When it comes 19:00 they should have asked “Have you ever heard of anyone killing another human over oxygen” he would say no, then I would say I’ve only ever heard of that once and it was two drowning divers fighting for a regular
He just wanted to be able to claim he called in to his weird religious cult. And that he ran circles around the atheists who couldn’t comprehend the brilliance of Gawd.
I still remember when I learned that Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis were cousins.
@Apanblod
Ай бұрын
Jerry Lee Lewis!? The darts player from my local pub in Sunderland?
@jdm-uk-yank
Ай бұрын
Nope, the 13 year old cousin marrying piano player
@Apanblod
Ай бұрын
@@jdm-uk-yank He married Jimmy Swaggart?
@jdm-uk-yank
Ай бұрын
😂
Where was Robert’s god the Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, and Romans stomped on Israel. Was this god on vacation? Was the god union on strike when the great empires stopped by to crush Israel? It’s appears Robert went to the game, but never read the scoreboard.
This guy is a danger to other people, please be aware of him
20:50 i mean - if we take everything into consideration, then life is a way to condition our minds to willingly be able to enter heaven and still have free will but we're convinced to only make choices that God allows because we were indoctrinated before going to heaven. Basically, only people who have had their will chained will be able to enter heaven...
The commandment THOU SHALL NOT KILL Is obviously totally ignored by this god believer.