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I love it when say they come in peace and then insists amyone who isnt a christian is evil
@AtheistRedBlue
26 күн бұрын
They are ignorant.
@mr.c2485
25 күн бұрын
They’re aliens 👽
@petyrkowalski9887
24 күн бұрын
They are dishonest.
@AtheistRedBlue
24 күн бұрын
They are delusional.
@jesterc.6763
24 күн бұрын
They are ego centric
What if the only reason you see Yahweh is because you're the sinner and he's the evil one? It makes far more sense that you'd see the evil one if you're following the book of lies, racism, misogyny, etc.
@chrisgraham2904
24 күн бұрын
According to the book, Jesus had no need or reason to preach to the "pure of heart". The message of Jesus was intended for the sinner, so that the sinner could reform and become "pure of heart".
@satyestru
24 күн бұрын
Makes me think of the Churchill quote "History is written by the victors." Hail Satan \m/
@bobgreenfield9158
24 күн бұрын
I agree the BuyBull is a pretty evil book.
@bobgreenfield9158
24 күн бұрын
@@chrisgraham2904Jeebus is worried if a young man finds a woman attractive. He tries to uglyfy normal attraction and label it "lust".
@marc-antoinecusson3119
23 күн бұрын
The god of the bible being the bad guy masquerading as the good guy would not be a surprise
“Don’t believe in The Bible, believe in God… by reading The Bible”. 🤣🤣🤣
For humanity to move forward, we have to leave all these superstitions behind!
@jannieschluter9670
24 күн бұрын
You already left it behind and where did it lead to? To people creating their own fantasies to believe in and live by. It has led you to a place where humans don't know if they are male or female, dye their hair blue and green and put the greatest effort into being as unnatural and corrupted as they can be. *clap clap*
@Gerryjournal
Күн бұрын
That is exactly why America is stuck in the 20th century. Living in an inward looking bubble of their own making for decades has not allowed them to see that the rest of the developed world has moved on
Between the 1960's and late 1990's, I read six versions of the Bible with an open mind in their entireties. The experience convinced me beyond a shadow of doubt that the Bible is nothing more than a book of mythology and heroic fiction.
@richardcooper9167
21 күн бұрын
What differed between the versions? Anything in particular that struck you?
Blessed are the pure in heart.? But according to Christianity we’re all sinners so nobody can see god.
@chrisgraham2904
24 күн бұрын
Circular reasoning at its' finest. Everyone is born a sinner and you can only become "pure of heart" by recognizing God. BUT, you can't see God if your a sinner.
@OswaldBatesIIIEsq
24 күн бұрын
@@chrisgraham2904If there IS a "god", "he" really needs a better public relations team.
This dude is a few fries short of a happy meal.
@dancedecker
24 күн бұрын
A few???!! Jesus. It's an empty tray, dude. Lol.
@jexelbur6872
22 күн бұрын
He’s a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
@ericdellinger6260
22 күн бұрын
@@jexelbur6872 And a blanket, basket, and location short, as well!
The Bible is the world's most famous, most complex instance of fan fiction.
@mikesommer1914
25 күн бұрын
Most infamous, most basic
@SecondaryHomunculus
25 күн бұрын
👍Christianity is just a book club stuck on a shitty Torah fanfic for 2000 years.
@FrikInCasualMode
25 күн бұрын
Also badly written. And the main character is a Mary Sue to end all Mary Sues.
@cshubs
25 күн бұрын
@@FrikInCasualMode I agree it's badly written-- or it was written beautifully, but it didn't translate well or was poorly translated.
@Wheres_the_money_lebowski
25 күн бұрын
Complex? You've never read 40k fan fiction
Jeffrey literally has nothing but the bible tells me so. It's embarrassing!
@terryfall8915
24 күн бұрын
I will never understand why black people cling so blindly to a religion that was violently forced on their ancestors.
There is no hate quite like Christian love.
@jannieschluter9670
17 күн бұрын
There is no ignorance like Atheist ignorance. What is the opposite of love? xD
@latinzane
17 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670 Wait, hold on... there's ignorance like atheist ignorance? But according to the dictionary, the opposite of love isn't ignorance, it's hate. Maybe you meant 'inquisitional fervor'? After all, history books are full of examples of that kind of love... right?
@jannieschluter9670
17 күн бұрын
@@latinzane The opposite of love is not hate. If it was so then love and hate could not exist at the same time. ;) You live in a bubble. "Science says this!" and "Dictionary says that!". It is like someone would say "The Bible says this!" and "Jesus says that!". I bet you believe that a dictionary is certainly more reliable than the Bible. ;)
@latinzane
17 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670 Now, just so I do this correctly, which religion do you partake of and which Bible is your go to? While you're choosing whether or not to divulge that... no one mentioned love and hate existing at the same time. Besides, my comment reflects Christian love as coming across more like hate. Now that that's clear, let's debate that. 🤣🤣🤣 If the bible is telling you the opposite of love isn't hate, then yes, I will absolutely be sticking to science and all the like. After all Genesis says the earth is 6 thousand (6000) years old, while science has debunked that claim and aged the earth at 4.5 billion (4,500,000,000) years old. That's a large discrepancy and enough to question the bible. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Want a little more? 🤣🤣
@jannieschluter9670
16 күн бұрын
@@latinzane since you have all the answers already, you must have reached that peak of the iceberg of wisdom, knowledge and understanding about love and its opposite? You strike me as a Mormon who has reached god status now. You already know what Earth-like planet you will rule over? 😃😃😃
I get the impression people like this think, quoting the bible to people is like a magic spell to attack the evil spirits within you, and bring you to the light! As if the rantings of religious fanatics have some divine power. Hate to break it to them, but in 58 years of people quoting bible verses at me, I've yet to have a reaction beyond facepalming.
@feedingravens
25 күн бұрын
Sometimes they even lose their own language and only speak in Bible verses. As these are perfect, and to them these verses made them OWN The Truth, and so they do not need to KNOW the truth. Usually regularly Jehova's witnesses appeared at my place, and I started to train discussing with them once we sat down for half an hour or so outside. And then came an older with a younger woman (probably mother and daughter), and we talked, and I think I was quite good at having anstwers to their "arguments". And when they were about to go, I asked the young one "What do you think is the best argument fo believe?" - "That Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies". "But look, the biblical texts were written by biblical scholars in anotther country decades later, and they DEFINITELY had read the Old Testament and knew all the prohecies the messiah had to fulfill. Don't you think that they could not have tuned the story so that all fits? Back then no one could have checked, all eye-witnesses were dead and a thousand miles away.". And in my memory she stopped dead and looked at me with wide open eyes. And the older women hurried to her, grabbed her "Let's go, let's go and dragged her along. Since then they have not returned...
@Leith_Crowther
25 күн бұрын
This is exactly what they think. They absolve themselves of the responsibility to believe things for good reasons by shifting the burden onto “the holy spirit” to do the work for them.
@somersetcace1
25 күн бұрын
@@feedingravens I've lived in several places over the years and usually haven't had much issue with that sort of thing, but there was a stint of about two years where I lived relatively close to a good sized Mormon community, and my neighborhood was inundated with Mormon kids (18 or so) going door to door. I would invite them in because they'd be out there in the middle of summer, in a suit and tie. I really just wanted to get them out of the heat and something to drink. However, we did have discussions and I would say they were well trained on what to do if they lost control of the conversation, and that was to politely leave. Which they all did within about 20 minutes. It took about 5 or 6 of them in about a 3 or 4 week period before none of them knocked on my door the rest of the time I lived there. I'd say my address was blacklisted. Whether it had any impact on those kids after the fact, I couldn't say, but they certainly were not expecting someone to be in a position to rebut their arguments, and it was pretty clear by the look on the faces of some of them that I was telling them things they'd never considered before.
@chrisgraham2904
24 күн бұрын
@@feedingravens The religious are masters of "cut & paste".
@jannieschluter9670
24 күн бұрын
58 years and you are still not a single step further? what a joke.
I thought it was actually 'blessed are the cheesemakers'
@cshubs
25 күн бұрын
I'd like it more if it did say that!
@SkepticallyQueer
25 күн бұрын
"Shut up, big nose!"
@seansanders2150
25 күн бұрын
Any manufacturers of dairy products.
@trocarcat
25 күн бұрын
its not?
@iemy2949
25 күн бұрын
@@seansanders2150Fr it’s not meant literally
The hosts are using their intellect while the caller is operating on tribal instincts.
@petyrkowalski9887
24 күн бұрын
You give him too much credit
@BoogieBoogsForever
24 күн бұрын
Not tribal insincts. He was operating on his written and preached religion. Nothing to do with tribal. The Tribes in the bible didn't have the bible to refer to.
When you respond to everything with "I believe..." it may be time to reconsider your beliefs.
@jannieschluter9670
24 күн бұрын
Paul says "Believe in Jesus Christ and you shall be saved!". What do you think this means? Can you describe it with your own words?
@jesterc.6763
24 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670sure, you see, jesus is a narcissist. If you dont believe im him, he'll burn you for eternity.
@papabeard4976
23 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670 It means that so long as you believe in Jesus Christ you are accountable for none of your actions. A horrible philosophy in my opinion.
@jannieschluter9670
23 күн бұрын
@@papabeard4976 what you wrote is a sad delusion. I was more curious to know what "to believe" means in your opinion. I think you get that wrong, too. But let's see.
@ericdellinger6260
22 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670 And JRR Tolkien said that "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." Does that mean that hobbits are real? Does that mean that Gandalf, dwarves, elves, Gollum, magic rings, dragons, trolls, orcs, goblins and the Dark Lord Sauron are real? You're doing the usual, lazy, ignorant apologetics of "The book proves the book". You know WHY you are doing that? Because IT'S THE ONLY F'ING PROOF YOU HAVE!
Religion does a number on people, they actually come to believe that a supreme being created the world as is, created eternal torment for his creation, sacrificed himself to himself in a gruesome blood thirsty death, to save us from himself. This is madness. We need to leave these destructive, iron age myths behind.
Don’t trust the bible trust the god of the bible. Where do we learn about god? In the bible. Do theists not listen to the stupid things they say.
@feedingravens
25 күн бұрын
Alex Conor recently slaughtered Dinesh D'Souza. And Dinesh also had the position "The Bible is true, no matter what it says". They come with some detail, "How could the people have known that back then=", and when you tell them "Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart repeatedly after he had decided to let the Israelites go, until he could kill ALL the firstborn in Egypt, even the firstborn animals (unless you had smeared fresh lambs blood on the doorposts - it seems God roamed through the egyptian cities and had to enter through the door)?". "Oh,, you do not have to see that so literally". Then I take the other stories also not literally (what catholics don't do anyhow), and take the hits as luck, that people back then were not as ignorant as they are often portrayed, and as having adapted exiting locations and historic events as props in their storytelling.
@jannieschluter9670
24 күн бұрын
Stupid is who stupid does. my best regards to your blue and green hair friends who are so mentally instable and confused that they don't know if they are male or female and spend half their pay check on a shrink's couch.
@ronthered138
24 күн бұрын
@@feedingravens Talking to those people is like trying to wrap Jello in rubber bands.
@ronthered138
24 күн бұрын
If you live in a restricted religious bubble, then you might never hear anyone challenge you seriously. It takes time and courage to step away from it. There is a reason that religion is so pervasive. It has evolved defensive mechanisms. These people are victims, even if their shit-talk makes one dislike them.
@jannieschluter9670
24 күн бұрын
@@ronthered138 same for atheists. The denial is so severe.
So his all powerful magic fairy could make a gigantic universe, so why has it needed a human to build a simple boat to save a couple of humans after it killed everyone else? Religion is so warped I just can't understand how anyone can accept it.
Jeffrey has “it” bad. Poor bastard!
I remember when I thought my cat might be able to speak in human language, and English, too! Then I turned 7 and never thought that was possible again.
"So you think torturing children is wrong? You are better than your god -- I applaud you." Burying the caller with love and respect. L.M.A.O.
Well done you two. I am impressed by your restraint.
"Because it's true... first your going to have to read it blah blah blah". That's when I bailed on the video.
I think Satan he's reached out to jeffrey but he isn't pure of heart so he doesn't understand.
Brain glitching badly with that guy!
Extremely little bit of logic
Just change « in the beginning » to « once upon a time ». There, fixed the bible.
The problem is that is not about NOT understanding the bible. The problem is understanding what it says and still justifying it as true, moral, ethical or good..
@terryfall8915
24 күн бұрын
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand. -- Mark Twain
@jexelbur6872
22 күн бұрын
People who really understand the Bible know it’s not a good foundation for truth or morality.
Ah, good old classic of :"Prove the Bible is right using the Bible." I think at this point anyone trying to use it in a discussion should be immediately dismissed as mentally unfit.
@jannieschluter9670
24 күн бұрын
Truth simply is and it does not even have to make sense to anyone. If it would have to make sense then we are talking about man-made religion.
@dwightfitch3120
19 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670Religion IS man-made. Why should we think you know anything more than us? Maybe answer question rather than preach. Btw, theologians try to make sense of this stuff all the time
@jannieschluter9670
19 күн бұрын
@@dwightfitch3120 it's basic philosophy yo... Truth does not owe you... Wisdom is attracted to the humble and the meek and is recognized by the wise.
@danielkeizer4174
17 күн бұрын
@@jannieschluter9670truth is considered truth *because* it makes sense to everyone. Because it all makes no sense and is clearly written by man it's obviously man made. God did not make a book talking about it in the second person. Hell it's not even a singular book on a singular story about a single god. Knowing things is considered wisdom, that implies something has to be understood to be true to be truth.
@jannieschluter9670
17 күн бұрын
@@danielkeizer4174 how old are you? xD There was a tree standing. One day the same tree fell to the ground. No creature witnessed what happened. Nothing makes sense. Now, is the tree lying on the ground truth or is it man-made?
caller thinks that quoting harry potter scripture will make listeners join dumbledore against voldermort!
@chrisgraham2904
24 күн бұрын
To the religious, I often quote the wise words of YODA from the book and screenplay of Star Wars. "May The Force Be With You".
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. I am atheist and know my bible better than most christians.
@ericdellinger6260
22 күн бұрын
That's because those of us who READ it realize what a load of batshittery the Book of Insanity. Bullshit. Lies. and Evasions is. Unfortunately, there are too many people like this caller who want to live in magic land.
Oh. Good. He prayed. I bet that helped a load. I mean that praying is a load of shit. That's what I mean.
Atheism is what happens when you read the bible, Christianity is what happens when someone else reads it for you. Bertrand Russell.
Sin is an artificial disease, made to sell you an imaginary cure.
Blessed all the cheesemakers.. 😁
Theists that talk at me or try to convert me to their thought processes based on a book that is full of immorality, factual inconsistencies, and logical fallacies are not going to have any luck. This guy clearly started off planning to preach and trying to get the hosts quoting Bible verses to make his points,and they rightly said, up front, ‘we aren’t going to engage with that, so do you really want to have a conversation in good faith, or should we just end the call here?’ He thought he could work his way back around into tricking them into his original plan. 😡
How did we get from "it's true because I see and experience it every day" to "I just assume god can do magic" Where does he see supernatural events every day.
“Like oh my God”, even the Valley girl saying proves the existence of god.😂 😊
I have a flying talking donkey
This is what happens when you're indoctrinated early in life and look to the bible for knowledge.
Buy Bull === Bible
He said he's an ambassador of heaven. The whole point of ambassadors is to represent a leader who can't be at a certain place at a certain time. Is he saying Jesus can't be anywhere at any given time so he needs people to be his representatives on his behalf?
Then your God is no loving God, love that bit at the end of the call.
There are no Jesus points to be scored here Jeffrey. Go door to door… WAD!
God does not have to be viewed as anything a man could define. God Is. The rest is theatre.
I wonder how people would view the bible if it was unearthed 50 years ago ?
Why can't the folks who 'see' god, describe him?
Pretzels suck, who likes dry knots of dough covered in salt.
@FrikInCasualMode
25 күн бұрын
I do.
@feedingravens
25 күн бұрын
Well - here in Munich, a pretzel, sliced open, with butter and parsley, is NICE. What you will see in beer gardens is that the experienced pretzel-eaters under the table rub off most of the salt. The main task of the salt is to suck up moisture and keep the pretzel crisp. Had you imagined that you would get a crash course in bavarian pretzel culture today?
@GoodBrotherGrimm
24 күн бұрын
I do.
@CeezGeez
24 күн бұрын
me lol
@brenta2634
23 күн бұрын
I like pretzels. Damn are you gluten sensitive or something?
I would say the donkey is a weak argument. It's a time God explicitly is described as intervening. Something outright against observable fact without miracles getting involved strikes me as stronger like it claiming the moon is it's own source of light which is just supposed to be a feature not God making an exception.
Blessed are the cheese makers!
Its true because of OBEDINCE. OK???
Hey dude... PROVE IT.
Just the same old “the bible says so”
PRAYER DOESNT WORK MATE!!
thanks for content
People living in such an alternative reality must surely have mental issues
A whole lotta cognitive dissonance going on.
it would be so useful if ppl like jeffrey took some time to actually THINK for a day or 2.....
What's that old saying? Ain't no hate like christian love
God is suppose to live everybody so why is he invisible somebody and only hear a voice from an invisible "man" in the sky. Do I need to be scitzo first? 🤔
😍
There is a God coz im Mr Ed 🐎 🐴 🎠 🏇 🐎
But da bible say.......
Cringeworthy! Religous fervour is a form madness.
Jeffrey don't understand that he is so unlikeable. Condescending isn't a positive trait dude...
Can “some-thing” exist without a “preceding intelligence”??? Before you reply & say “who created your God”, for the 1000th time - you must remember God, our Creator, is eternal - WITHOUT beginning or end! NO-body or NO-thing created Him! God always WAS & IS - our Uncaused Cause! … time to learn! 👈👈👈 - Intelligence from intelligence - Life from life - Consciousness from consciousness - Morality from morality - Emotion from emotion - Personality from personality - Free will from free will
@CeezGeez
24 күн бұрын
your god is spaceless and timeless meaning he don’t exist lol
@Gwaithmir
24 күн бұрын
Prove it!
@stevangelical7052
24 күн бұрын
Who or what created your "god"? Is it possible that your god is just an area manager for this section of the multiverse?
@gowdsake7103
23 күн бұрын
Then you admit your question is fallacious ! Nothing can exist without a preceding intelligence APART from YOUR own cherry picked god, That sir is ignorant special pleading
@gowdsake7103
23 күн бұрын
@@Gwaithmir Ohhhh dont be so mean ! 🤣🤣Poor little theist cannot, all it has is waffle and muh buk dun tole me so
All things are possible with GOD.......... -So why is there still evil in this world? Oh that's right! The Lord creates evil😂
Jeffrey is a goofy & doesnt knows it. Talking donkeys!?
This is boring. ‘I believe it’ So what?
@Glasschin2.0
22 күн бұрын
You believe what ?
By scientific definition, the “theory” of evolution uses “existing” (already available) materials. Therefore, WHERE did these “existing materials” originate from?????????????
@CeezGeez
24 күн бұрын
“oooh i know gawd dun it derrrr”
@Gwaithmir
24 күн бұрын
They were always here. Matter and energy are interchangeable, but neither can be created or destroyed.
@CeezGeez
24 күн бұрын
@@Gwaithmir florida bjj kickboxing also thinks donkeys can talk i guess
@m0n0deferia
24 күн бұрын
That has nothing to do with this call. Talking donkeys are not part of evolution, they are part of superstition. Dont create noise.
@stevangelical7052
24 күн бұрын
Let's ask the talking donkey.
Wishy washy word conversation from the caller. Complete waste of time
This dude is a walking contradiction
God punished Adam and Eve, and all of their descendants, and all of mankind, because they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. So, apparently, God did not want mankind to know good from bad, right from wrong. So, why do you look to that God for your morality? How can you “learn” morality from someone who didn’t want you to know right from wrong? (and was a pi$$-poor example of morality himself?
@Glasschin2.0
22 күн бұрын
God created Heaven before he curse humanity with death. Looks like he stacked the deck to me.
@JBee887
18 күн бұрын
Not to mention if "god" is "all knowing" then he knew after creating Adam and Eve EVEN BEFORE CREATING THEM they were going to eat the apple, so why even create them in the first place? That's not loving AT ALL. So god created us just to torture us!?!? Like come on now.
It's so boring that God only speaks with passages of the Bible. Update your materials dude.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo. ROFL.
Obedience?????