Kieliszkowski: 5:50 Boudreault: 10:53 L. Stoltman: 15:54 Singleton: 20:55 Evans: 25:54 T. Stoltman: 30:53 Novikov: 35:55 Hooper: 40:55 T. Mitchell: 45:55 Thompson: 52:55

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

6 ай бұрын

This was a distance event, except for Kieliszkowski so what are the times for?

@jurekcc9162

6 ай бұрын

🍻🍻🍻🍻

@StrengthShowcase

6 ай бұрын

@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 They are timestamps for watching the athletes...

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

6 ай бұрын

@@StrengthShowcase Oh! Silly me 😆

@DreJr

6 ай бұрын

​@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797I was wondering as well, lol.

When Mateusz finished his run i was like "this is bad, he tanked deadlift and now this" 😂, and he won the event

@BRUTUSz

6 ай бұрын

With 4 1/2 hour sleep. That man have so much bad luck. I really hope things goes better for him. He needs to win WSM and Arnold.

@magnitorfasson9238

6 ай бұрын

Unless they remove the deadlift

@danijel8890

6 ай бұрын

@@BRUTUSz it's a brutal sport, lifting all thoes heavy objects especially what happened to Trey Mitchell, bad luck

@danijel8890

6 ай бұрын

@@magnitorfasson9238 not likely, deadlift is most used event in strongmen competition, i think that he just dont train it enough, or hates to do it😄

@StrengthShowcase

6 ай бұрын

@@danijel8890 Deadlifts or stones are the most common. But I don't think Mateusz skips his deadlift training, given how determined he is. It's just that everyone has a relative weakness. Let's keep in mind that being able to pull 400+ kg is still bloody strong!

If it looked that hard for MK then you know nobody else was finishing 😂

@bmstylee

6 ай бұрын

If only he could deadlift.

@e.c.9468

6 ай бұрын

I though the same, if he does that there is no way anyone else finishes it. Poor event though, risking injury

@OriginalMindTrick

4 ай бұрын

@@bmstylee They need to skip deadlifts for at least one WSM. This competition didn't used to be this deadlift heavy.

Trey posted on IG that he tore his Achilles tendon in this event. Something happened to the sled with each successive pull and ends up injuring Trey. It will be a year to rehab and then more time to get back to full strength. Heartbreaking for him

@outlimboed

6 ай бұрын

That sucks.

@stephenhagen8976

6 ай бұрын

Wow. So disappointing.

@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353

6 ай бұрын

I don't think the sled physically changed after each athlete so much as the fitter athletes did better, and it was just too heavy, and there was too much friction.

@dustinm800

6 ай бұрын

​​@@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353I'm not so sure it didn't get progressively harder. The friction coefficients could have changed the more it was pulled.

@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353

6 ай бұрын

@@dustinm800 Mateucz is the fitest athlete there, he went first and got first, next is probably Mitch, he went eighth and got second. Meanwhile, Trey and Bobby, joint first in deadlift, came ninth and tenth in this event, and are generally good at strength events and less so fitness.

What a brutal event. It really did look like it was getting progressively harder. Dragging wood on metal was probably a bad idea. Wood can be unpredictable.

@stephennolan219

6 ай бұрын

100%. I get their thought process - we can make this hard, just due to friction! - but someone really had to think about this for a little bit longer before they implemented it. There's a reason wood isn't really used like this much.

@abdulwahabvanreenen723

6 ай бұрын

@@stephennolan219 Thing with wood is that it probably got smoother with each run, meaning it would have more contact with the rails. Also ideally you would want to pull it more vertically to try and reduce the weight of the implement at the contact points

I feel sorry for the athletes that had to compete using this apparatus. It’s concerning that these issues weren’t worked out in development. Brian tried to tell them it was too heavy also.

@nike80nl

6 ай бұрын

I don't think it was the weight,as it was the friction on the tracks that was an issue.

@stevobear4647

6 ай бұрын

Kinda of ridiculous the pulling surface was a mess.

@Wogunder66

6 ай бұрын

I think the placement of the hooks down low on that frame are bad also. I think its causing them to pull up on the frame a bit. Needs to be higher for a more lateral pull.

@a-a-rondavis9438

6 ай бұрын

​@@Wogunder66yep, it needed to be around below the nose of the bull.

@kurtwpg

6 ай бұрын

I think they saw Brian pull it 10 feet and failed to realize gow much the other 40 was going to sap people.

never seen these guys work so hard in my life

@e.c.9468

6 ай бұрын

Yes that looked ridiculously hard

*Theory 1:* As that day was quite humid it's possible that sled would pick up moisture on the metal railing making the wood more wet with each run, and the paper (Friction of wood on steel - Radek Koubek, Karolina Dedicova) shows how the friction between metal and wood increases with wood's wetness. Not only the static and kinetic friction force would increase, but also the wood expanding could close the gaps between the wood and the railing increasing the friction area/pressure force from the sides, increasing the friction. But the gaps between athlete runs were quite short, a few minutes only. Not sure how much moisture would build up on the railing in that time, so I presume the biggest moisture build up would be during the 1st run - done by Mateusz and less so on the runs after him. *Theory 2:* Floor got more wet with athletes sweat after every run, decreasing their foot grip. (They were sweating greatly due to humidity and heat) *Theory 3:* Mateusz is just that good and it was equally difficult for all of the athletes. (+ Mateusz didn't lose much energy on the deadlift, if any at all) *Theory 4:* Athletes are tired after Giants Live a week ago (Kieliszkowski didn't go there). *Theory 5:* Sled was picking up some debris (other than the moisture) from the railings. *Theory 6:* All of those combined. Wood expands up to 1% for every 4% in it's moisture content (high humidity that day would increase the wood's moisture content if it wasn't properly cured) and additionally heat created by the friction also expands it. So it's possible that sled was tested in lower humidity conditions. If you look at the video closely you can see that the wood holds the metal railing from both sides and the gaps in between aren't that big. It would explain why is it so much harder for athletes to pull after 15-20ft, but it could be simply athletes gassing out? Hard to tell. Another thing which noone has pointed out is that I believe nobody cleaned the flooring from sweat. With the high temperature and humidity if you look closely at the athletes they were sweating horrendusly. Sweat falling on the flooring or athletes falling on the flooring covering it entirely with sweat. It must have affected the grip for the athletes after them. Now I'm not sure whether it was more difficult to pull as the event would go or not. Maybe. I'd expect Mateusz to win, with a margin, just not sure if with such a high margin... Rogue should do some testing on it, with repeated pulling and force measurement throughout the track. Though I doubt they would do it on camera as it would prove their mistake if there is any.

@leonmunt6244

6 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to see the state of the underside before and after. The wood could have become damaged over time, splintered etc

@likeyou3317

6 ай бұрын

@@leonmunt6244 I doubt that there was any splintering, if anything it should only get smoother with each consecutive run... but it's possible I guess.

@johnqpublic407

6 ай бұрын

#6 and it poured rain after 2nd athlete. Mist would have still coated tread and equipment. Humidity ++ from down pours day before (you can see field saturated thursday). Moved to hallway in concourse with fans saturating humidity further.

@leonmunt6244

6 ай бұрын

@@likeyou3317 why would it get smoother? If it digs it will most certainly splinter

@likeyou3317

6 ай бұрын

@@leonmunt6244 Well I guess it depends whether the wood touching the railing wa smooth and evenly cut from the start or rough and unevenly cut. I didn't work with wood much so it's hard to tell for me how it would behave in such conditions. My intuition tells me that when smooth wood and smooth metal meet they should slide along, without damaging the wood, I guess that'd also depend on the pressure between these 2.

The fact that you guys (rogue) can provide us with live, high quality content is great!! Im staring at you, WSM! figure it out and give the strongman fans what they want. Rogue can! Nobody wants to wait months to watch what they already knew happened the same or next day! And my goodness, let the athletes film and provide content as well! It makes us feel like we are part of it and creates so much more depth and enjoyment to the overall competition. Thanks Rogue for being studs and again, looking at you WSM 😑

Thanks to Rogue for making this a free event for the fans!!

Wood on metal doesn't go well plus bad flooring. Ive followed strongman since the 90's, as soon as i saw Shaw testing it , it was obvious that it wouldn't work that's why they added in the rope last minute , it was supposed to be without. Pulling events are hard to dial in. Rogue normally does events well but this just didn't work

@armwrestlingfan6804

6 ай бұрын

Looks like they hired a self identifying engineer or something

@bdegrds

6 ай бұрын

​@@armwrestlingfan6804I honestly wouldn't be to hard on rogue, they do such a good job normally, everyone screws up from time to time. I've seen so many pulling events crap the bed, it's probably the hardest one to get right

@dantethunderstone2118

6 ай бұрын

The flooring was perfect and the exact same thing they do for wheel of pain, it gives more traction than just a flat surface

@armwrestlingfan6804

6 ай бұрын

​@bdegrds but u said urself something is wrong with wood on metal.

@bdegrds

6 ай бұрын

​@@armwrestlingfan6804yes but I'm just sayingno one gets it right every time

This event needs a redesign. I think the weight was fine, but the build / material and how it moves needs to be different if it is to come back in future.

He should from now be known as The Iron Bull Mathias great performance in the circumstances 🙏🏻🇦🇺

@ALC0A021

5 ай бұрын

💯

I think the issue is the sled angling slightly and binding the wood against the rails. You can see the gap open and close between the wood and the rails

@TRKISH324

6 ай бұрын

Definitely not the best setup, but I guess the point is to move the unmoveable. I questioned how the wood would change over time.

@Warmau5

6 ай бұрын

Brian Shaw + staff found this in testing, it’s in Brian’s video about it, the sled angles when pulled laterally and pins itself to the rails

Im not quite sure what happened, but its pretty evident the difficulty increased. The first few competitors flew out of the gate and towards the end they struggled for every inch. Unfortunate.

@liamengram6326

6 ай бұрын

Is that why Hooper placed 2nd despite going 8th?

@theKashConnoisseur

6 ай бұрын

@@liamengram6326 seemed like a very technical event, severely punishing those who failed to pull from as low as possible.

Imagine... climbing Ladders on the floor!! Harness on the back and chest..vLeading the Pull!! Crazy

I feel for Marius, a 48 hour travel is going to DRAIN you totally. It's super impressive, that he's even competing, let alone win an event.

@mateuszgawlik5528

4 ай бұрын

Mateusz*

man, you can clearly see a major difference in the wear marks on the rails over the course of the event, personally i think it genuinely got more difficult for each later competitor.

@e.c.9468

6 ай бұрын

Not sure since Hooper got good points

@villa_fan8882

6 ай бұрын

@@e.c.9468but Hooper is a beast with his legs

@simenandersen3262

2 ай бұрын

@@e.c.9468 Hooper had Laurence there. So Laurence probably told Hooper to have more of an upright positioning

This is a brutal event

The more i watch the more painful it is. Probably needed more testing that just Brian one day prior.

Probably should have lightened it by a couple hundred pounds. Still would have had a good mix of results.

@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353

6 ай бұрын

It was too heavy. Simple as that.

Everybody was looking at the first puller. Even Novikov looked worried about this event. Brutal to the arms, legs, body, and cardio no doubt 😮

Terminator Mateusz 💪

Only the Terminator could finish and even he struggled. I think he gives more when the test becomes harder. Hid mind is solid steel with a burning fire inside. He must have been angry after not getting a deadlift rep. Talking about that deadlift, it also looks extremely tough. This is no ordinary deadlift and this pull was no ordinary pull. I liked watching this event, as it was brutal and seemed safe. Injuries are always a risk. I dislike events when everybody is separated by split seconds. There was no doubting no who was better at this event. Then again, why re-invent the wheel when Rogue could have chosen instead a more conventional vehicle pull that also looks cool. Still, this is what innovation looks like. At least someone is trying to make things fresh and daring. The athletes should be well aware of the risks. It did look EXTREMELY tough, though.

Why would they have raw timber against metal on a pulling event?

@spikeyspike79

6 ай бұрын

Why not ? They had metal and wood in deadlift

@beardedbjorn5520

6 ай бұрын

@@spikeyspike79 that's hardly a close comparison

@spikeyspike79

6 ай бұрын

Metal and wood 🪵 n both cases can’t get a better comparison 😅

@alexbelevski3396

6 ай бұрын

wow, what a braindead take. "metal and wood were both used, therefore it's the same!"@@spikeyspike79

@Warmau5

6 ай бұрын

@@spikeyspike79yes champ, they both had wood and metal very good observation! Now let’s put on our critical thinking caps and dig a liiiiitle bit deeper

Given how horrific this pull looked I wonder if Tom’s shoe coming off will mean he’s fresher than a lot of the other competitors tomorrow. The competitors who did a “full” pull looked absolutely shot.

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

6 ай бұрын

Tom was still pulling when the whistle blew so I doubt it'll give him an advantage. It looks way too hard if only one person can finish and 3 WSM winners can't. I think in events like this it should be designed so at least half the competitors can finish and the rest measured for distance any harder and they're asking for serious injuries.

@StrengthShowcase

6 ай бұрын

@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 The rule of thirds is solid: an event is balanced if one third manages to finish it well within the time limit, one third finds it hard but managable and one third really struggles.

@jtpro0244

6 ай бұрын

​@@StrengthShowcasenot sure the field is that disparate in terms of strength/ability for this to be possible. I assume they are all within 10-15% of each other?

@StrengthShowcase

6 ай бұрын

@@jtpro0244 Well sure, but even that 10-15 % can mean the difference between scoring 8 and 0 reps, as we saw on event 1. And between being the only one to finish vs barely moving the weight (event 2).

@mrgaudy1954

6 ай бұрын

@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 Possibly, from what I saw it looked like he was trying to get the position/purchase to resume the pull more so than actually pulling. He also looked pretty "okay" leaving the implement compared to others. Either way, the fact we have to even ask these questions goes to show how botched this event was.

Common mateusz kieliszkowski 💪🏻

Great video!

B. Thompson is a great guy to have in your corner. Top bloke.

Great Harness!! Mr. Nov.!!

The later athletes were probably more gassed from doing more reps on the deadlift. Hooper’s blend of power and conditioning was good enough for him to do well in both

Honestly, there's way too much suspicion around this event for Rogue to just sweep this one under the rug. Especially with Trey injured.

@TheSLK66

6 ай бұрын

The more I think about it, the most suspicious thing is that nobody besides Mateusz was even capable of finishing (even if this is his event). I don't think I remember a single event where only one individual finished the thing. And given what I saw, you could have given anyone of the others guys 2 more minutes and nobody would have finished it, they were completely out of gas, heck look at Hooper and Singleton at the very end. And people who we were expected to finish it, even if considerably later, didn't.

@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353

6 ай бұрын

​@TheSLK66 the fitter athletes did the best. It was too heavy/there was too much friction, but I don't think there's anything beyond that. Remember the 500 kg yoke that blew up a bunch of achilles? Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.

@TheSLK66

6 ай бұрын

@@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353Actually no, it's not the simplest answer, it is the answer with minimal assumptions. You're assuming none of these guys are as fit as Mateusz, hard to believe. You're also assuming the weight is too much too handle for these crazy strong guys. Trey tore his heel because probably abandoned form by pushing himself beyond his 100%. I only need to assume this overcomplicated set-up for a simple pulling event could make friction get worse.

@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353

6 ай бұрын

@@TheSLK66 Mateusz is the fitest of these guys, look at Mateusz on the frame carry at ASC. I agree it was an overcomplicated set-up, I just disagree with the idea that the implement got harder for each consecutive athlete. The order was not actually predictive of the result.

@Testoodope

6 ай бұрын

@@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353 you're on every comment coping hard. stop making excuses for bad design. feedback is important

great events

This event is snap city.

It looks as though Kieliszkowski was lower when he pulled, if you're higher up you get more friction trying to lift the impliment so it get friction from beneth the tracks as well, instead of sliding over them

Wow you put these out fast

Mateusz KIELISZKOWSKI to wygrany tych zawodów. Zostały zmienione konkurencje w trakcie trwania imprezy. Celowa robota sponsora. POLSKA GÓRĄ 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱💪

Bull looks cool but a terrible event for these guys to endure. So sad for Trey.

I think there are three things wrong with this. One the bull head tilts just slightly with every pull to the left or to the right and it takes a few seconds to readjust where you are going to pull. Two the harness needs to be a dual harness that wraps around the hips as well. Thats the only driving force that the athletes can use and right now its not being used. Three the pressure point to pull this thing easily is up higher, closer to the bulls eyes but they placed the pulling points at the bottom of the bulls head making it nearly impossible to pull this thing. I think you would have to be pulling up high (like what mateusz did) or nearly parallel to the floor to be successful at pulling this thing. There has to be a happy medium for these fixed points of pulling but its not where it is currently.

Dude slept 4-5 hours after 48 hour travel and still managed to not only win but be the only guy finishing within the time frame. Thats very impressive to say the least. Well done Mateuz

Bon courage 💪

I think that the pullers that stood more upright did better. May have been the angle of the pull that effected the friction

Iron Mountain Redbull Olympian International Rogue Male & Female resistance & Endurance professionals ❤

EVa.. great position. Stance!! Crazy Shoulder and chestbstraps and back harness.... owch no the hips and the Belt.... center or chest leading.

As I was watching competitor after competitor struggle, I rewound to Mateusz to check on a theory I was starting to develop. I thibk you need to work hard at not letting too much slack into that rope, as the taut rope helps you keep your hips down.

It 💯 got harder as it went. First movements was smooth for the implement. Definitely got rougher as it went

Remember when... Eddie Hall and B. Shaw... pulling a giant ship as Vikings!! Crazy!!

Not sure if I like this event feels kinda off. Like I've seen one people talking about moisture. And I agree it's feels like that should have it on a few bearings. To help them maybe raise the wait to compensate

Super good stuff everybody!!! Harness.. take yourbweak spot.. the waist... bad harness for Chest

Being consistency, usually ends up winning it all. Look at Martins as a example 👍💪🏼.. As long as you Stay in the top 3 all the time. And wins One or two events, you will come out on the top 👌

Evan gave that 200%

Mateusz is the strongest man

Good Vídeo.

The track for foot traction was ridiculously awkward for the guys to use.

Opłacił się trening Mateuszowi z ciężarówką

its almost like something was up with the implement after the first run. Not taking anything away from Kieliskowski at all. its 1000lbs, but I expected to see more then one guy finish it.

Is the ultimate log medley cancelled?

I agree and understand Matiaz is annoy the amount of problems for travel to US. It should be easy

Polska siła 💪Kieliszkowski

Part of the risk you take with introducing a new implement, but damn, shame trey got injured on this. Tearing the achilles is a lengthy process to recover and even then, we've seen in other sports, they're never fully the same post injury.

Does anyone know which shoes the guys are wearing (brand and model)?

Mateusz rozjebales System jestes nasza duma

, TOOOOOOP🔥🇵🇹

I also think the sled was too heavy and the main problem was the uneven ground with the boards. In pulling events like this you have to stay low for your legs to be able to assist and keep momentum going. When you go low on this ground what happens is you slip and fall, everyone realized that shortly after the start and they all lost their initial momentum and couldn´t get it back. What a shame, this could have been an awesome event without the terrible friction and the uneven ground.

I would like to see the temperatures of the track and wood (where it touches the track), it had to be heating up, making it harder and harder. First guy that went did the best, by 6ft, he must have heated up the track, then they reset it back on the track really fast with 9 people, making even more heat. It looked almost immovable by the end.

For those saying the results are purely down to athlete fitness and nothing to do with the setup of the machine, you just have to look at where powerful athletes like Trey were failing to prove that's clearly not the case. The first few feet in a pull like this are purely down to strength, not endurance, but many of the big powerful guys nearer the end of the line-up were struggling to even make it a few feet, with only the ones that traditionally easily finish a vehicle pull making it further. Even if we look at the fittest guys like Hooper, for example, if it was purely down to strength endurance he would have finished the entire pull in a very similar time to Mateusz. At WSM this year, Mateusz was just there to test the bus pull, nothing else. Hooper came along and demolished Mateusz's time while doing the whole competition! Or look at Maxime, a great strongman, but with his recent leg injury there is no way he would come as high up as he did against this field had he not gone so early on. The simple but inconvenient truth is that Rogue messed up. It was always going to happen at some point, no-one is perfect. Next year they need to do some more equipment testing at an earlier stage rather than get Brian in on the day of the competition when it's already too late and then do things like add in a rope when the harness is already bolted way too low on the sled to make that a sensible option - causing it to bob up and down constantly. An equipment manufacturer like Rogue should also have a very competent materials engineering team that understands how metals and woods behave under different atmospheric conditions, rather than just using designers to put something together that looks visually appealing. We all learn from our mistakes though and I'm sure Rogue will do better next year. Looking forward to the events later today regardless and wish Trey a speedy recovery!

@likeyou3317

6 ай бұрын

Not sure if looking just at this years WSM is enough to compare Mateusz to Hooper as Mateusz came with a knee injury and uprepared into the contest. If you look historically (strongmanarchives) at the pulling events only Brian Shaw was able to match him. So I'm not surprised that he won. Also remember that many athletes were at Giants Live a week ago which could also affect their endurance. Although I'd expect that more athletes would be able to at least finish the event.

@tom-roxy

6 ай бұрын

Mateusz himself mentioned he was far from his best on Friday due to only a few hours sleep after an almost 48 travel nightmare to get to the event. There is no way a far from peak Mateusz is still leaps and bounds ahead of every single other person in the field on a vehicle pull, regardless of whether they did a competition one week ago or not. No historical results match what we saw yesterday.

@likeyou3317

6 ай бұрын

Last 10 competitions in which Mateusz pulled: Contest Name,Placing 2023-10-28 2023 Rogue Invitational Sled Pull,1 of 10 2019-10-25 2019 WUS Dubai Truck Pull,1 of 14 2019-09-21 2019 Arnold Europe Arm Over Arm Pull,1 of 18 2019-08-04 2019 SCL Finland Machine Pull,2 of 14 2019-07-20 2019 Poland's Strongest Man Truck Pull,1 of 10 2019-06-16 2019 WSM Group 4 Truck Pull,1 of 5 2019-05-18 2019 Arnold Africa Truck Pull,2 of 13 2019-04-13 2019 Arnold South America Arm Over Arm Pull (600 kg sled),5 of 9 2019-01-19 2019 Arnold USA Truck Pull,1 of 9 2018-10-26 2018 WUS Dubai Arm Over Arm Pull,1 of 12 We haven't actually seen Mateusz and Hooper doing pull event together except at this comp. At WSM 2023 Mateusz didn't qualify into the final so he didn't do the bus pull, so we don't know how he would compare there. Bus Pull at this years wsm was a joke and a speedrun. 8 best athletes times were between 30-33s, 2-8 places were within 32-33s xD, what a joke. Anyway sled is a different kind of pull as you cannot build up momentum there. I made comment discussing all possibilities, imo there probably was an increase in the friction after each athlete, but it wasn't as big as people say and it wouldn't really change the points in this event, imo.

@tom-roxy

6 ай бұрын

@@likeyou3317 I think you missed my point. I'm not saying Mateusz wouldn't have won, I'm saying there is no chance he would have been the only person to finish had he not gone first. And had the implement been designed correctly, there is no way in the world Luke would have beaten Tom or Trey would have suffered a debilitating injury, completely changing the competition around. My point stands: Rogue needs to do better next year!

@likeyou3317

6 ай бұрын

@@tom-roxy true that

Could the wood have swelled due to the heat and humidity? Maybe the side boards clamped down on the rail due to the heat generated by the friction and humidity?

Mitchell!! BigbShoulders!!!

There obviously is something wrong with the implement. At the 15 feet mark every athlete gets almost pulled back by it.

Did Licis not compete?

Mitchellnsoo good!! Texhnique wise.

Did they grease the tracks at the beginning of the event or something? Seems like it got exponentially heavier from the first to last competitor.

@aeis3007

6 ай бұрын

They also had arguably the best puller go first. Even before the event Brian said Mateusz Kieliszkowski!!!! Would likely win it.

@oceanbanana4341

6 ай бұрын

They had the best puller go first. Obviously it's gonna look easier for him

@theKashConnoisseur

6 ай бұрын

When the guy who went 8th (3rd from last) got 2nd, it's kind of hard to argue that the event MUST HAVE gotten exponentially harder each time. And the guy who won just happens to be the best puller in the entire competition. Seems like a lot of guys struggled due to lack of proper technique, proper footwear, and proper preparation.

Meeting with athletes: Brian to athletes - it's not possible to finish! Athletes to Brian - what about Kieliszkowski? Brian to athletes - don't tell him!

I like Rogue Strongman

Where is the Pull??? The hios or the centerback pulled by the traps? Shoulder direction Harness. Between shoukder and middle back? Traps and chest strap? Owwch the hips.. harness the back!!

Harness... on the waist.... center gravity.. tough.. thighs and big chest!!!

I knew when I saw brian struggling in practice this damn sled would be so hard

@carlobrigante881

6 ай бұрын

Brian in all fairness has been struggling for the last 2 3 yrs now

I hope they don't try to bring this event back, and they thought they would do it without a rope..? It's clear that there was something wrong with the equipment. It appeared as if the friction was building up between the sled and the frame , causing it to stick more with each athlete But I guess that's part of strongman unfortunately when a new event pops up its trial and error the first few times till they figure it out

Not sure what the issue was but it makes u wonder if tom or trey had gone 1st what the outcomes would be.

They mention it looks like it is getting harder to pull as the event goes on.... I wonder if the friction back and forth during the pull and reset is warming the wood up and it's becoming just that tiniest bit softer, which would make it grip more? I'm not that familar with strongman events and whatthe usual sled pull looks like, but I can definitely see a potential where this changes between the first and last content.. Which would really suck to be honest and be pretty unfair... But just a theory

We wanna rematch!! Fix Harness!! Shoukder straps. High mid back. For Leading

Bryan was pulling it without the rope, making it look easy

Athletes were chalked up, after each athlete with chalk maybe getting on the rails of the implement? Causing more friction of the wood on the rails?

@glhandler

6 ай бұрын

I was thinking it came in out of the weather a little damp snd maybe dried out as the event went on.

@likeyou3317

6 ай бұрын

​@@glhandlerIt would be then easier to pull as drier wood has less friction on metal.

It would be easy to test whether it got harder by measuring the force in a succession of pulls 10 times just like the event, you'd have data. Also, what if resins from inside the wood were released as the event went on causing the coefficients of friction to increase. We can have a big circle jerk guessing at what happened, or we could just measure it.

@theKashConnoisseur

6 ай бұрын

Well, since the guy who went 8th scored 2nd place, it might have been more of a technique and footwear issue than a changing of friction issue. Footing looked to be a HUGE contributing factor to the poorest performances.

@dustinm800

5 ай бұрын

Might be, maybe they need to ensure the sled is pulled evenly and not potentially shift side to side. Brian mentioned Monday that Mitch and Mateusz had the correct shoes, most athletes didn't. I'm sure Rogue will improve it, I just think new event should have a comprehensive testing phase. The fact that they asked Brian to test it after he arrived, without the correct shoes, shows not enough focus was put into this. I know Rogue wants to be safe and have good events, I just hope they take this as a lessoned learned and put a little more into testing new events.

@theKashConnoisseur

5 ай бұрын

@@dustinm800 The sled shifting to the side would be due to improper pulling technique, wouldn't it? I don't see how they could realistically do comprehensive testing. It would take 100 cloned Brian Shaws to really put the device through it's paces without involving the actual competitors. And let's be honest, Shaw is able to do things other strongmen simply can't, so even with 100 Shaws doing 10 pulls each over the course of a month might have still netted the same results.

@dustinm800

5 ай бұрын

@@theKashConnoisseur if they keep it on the rails I think they'll change the way the harness is attached the sled so the choice of pulling technique is more forgiving or they may follow Loz's advice and attach the bull to the rogue-a-coaster and remove that element all together. Visually that would be cooler anyway, and likely safer.

@theKashConnoisseur

5 ай бұрын

@@dustinm800 Yeah a higher attachment point, even just a few inches, would have probably made quite a difference. I do like having a truckpull-like event though, so I hope they don't just combine it with the coaster event. I think that next Rogue Invitational, a lot of guys will have the right footwear, will have spent training hours practicing specifically for this event, and things will go a lot smoother.

It's not that Kieliszkowski is not happy. He is smilling in Polish...

Why mateusz only 45s?????

46:47 give him some oxygen

I think the thing being made out of wood played a part in it becoming more and more difficult.

@oceanbanana4341

6 ай бұрын

It didn't get harder though. The best pullers went before and thats how it is. The implementation was way too heavy

Come on guys, who came up with this event? You can’t replicate sliding friction, especially when the contestants are this close together in time. There will be a ton of heat buildup, any changes in humidity or crud on the tracks will make a huge difference, any resultant changes to the materials from the heat will cause problems, any racking of the implement (being set up or pulled in a way that the side rails make contact with the metal rails) will have a huge effect. There’s a reason that pulls are done on wheeled vehicles - rolling friction through bearings is very repeatable and not hugely affected by heat, debris, direction, etc. This reminds me of the old days of strongman where things were very poorly thought out and where an event looking cool took precedence over its repeatability or judgability.

If you look closely, the infamous 15 feet mark is where the first two rail segments are connected. I would say it is because the wood is probably not perfecly straight and the rails very slightly shifted / connection area has even more friction. Also, looking at evans pull, the sled comes of center, one side is very close, while the other side is a bit off of the rail. This will slow it down even further.

Yea the bull looks cool but that track design is what got trey injured. wood on metal is a odd choice and they deserve a more efficient design

Lesson in friction and heat, silly event, dont see how anyone wouldnt of figured out the sled will heat up and get harder. wood and metal dont like each other. Rogue equipment taking out more strongmen. Havent learned from JF at the Arnold's.

New event always cool but it seems dangerous for the athletes at this point, gotta iron out the wrinkles!

I would imagine that the more attempts were made, the hotter the rail and wood would get, and the more friction you would experience. Seems odd design wise.

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Brian did it in 39 secs testing without rope ?

@madskater5

6 ай бұрын

The were messing with weights for him too though. I think his 39 seconds was lighter than the comp weight.

@oceanbanana4341

6 ай бұрын

​@@madskater5it's also Brian who is notorious for being better when it's heavier

Man, that's a terrible event.

This looks like a case of great design on this implement, but not enough proper engineering and testing. Shaw tested it for weight, but they clearly didn't put it through like 100 pulls to see how it held up. They could have come up with solutions like oiling the track after each pull, or lining the inside of the wooden bull tracks, etc. Hopefully it's a learning experience for Rogue for next year. Shame about Trey.

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