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@alanarcher

11 күн бұрын

Yeah... Except I'm Brazilian and can't access it. Will we get the full episode on KZread, please?

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

Thrsday & co., how about hosting a debate between Dr Peterson (or a scientist of his choosing) and a faithful son of the Church who is an atmospheric scientist? If you give a platform to Peterson's niche theories, wouldn't you want to give at least as much air time to the Magisterium and the scientific consensus? Would you create a sensational clip of a six-day creationist harping on and on about the "evolutionists"? Certainly the theory of evolution has led to incorrect anthropology in some cases, but we know better than to therefore conclude that the entire theory is wrong.

@InternetDarkLord

8 күн бұрын

Ask the Nature Cult if its OK to believe that "Being born a male or born a female is a beautiful part of nature." After all, biological is natural.

I started my journey back to the Church listening to Jordan Peterson then gradually started listening to Pints with Aquinas. This is a blessed full circle moment. God bless you both

@n.c.9618

12 күн бұрын

SAME!!! I'm so happy Matt got JP on

@FourthExile

12 күн бұрын

Same

@cehson

12 күн бұрын

So true! Same here!

@CedarRose7

12 күн бұрын

Same

@Jusoon

11 күн бұрын

same here. It was a class he gave when he talked about the snake in Eden. It was like a light went on inside me

"the environment...the female god they sacrifice children to."....whoa.

@AJKPenguin

12 күн бұрын

That's old pantheism for you, brought up again in new ways.

@paulmitchell2916

12 күн бұрын

A ridiculous ad hominem is what it is.. No one of any political persuasion who knows a whit about environmental policy takes this kind of talk seriously..

@shaulkramer7425

12 күн бұрын

@@paulmitchell2916 you should look up the concept of "degrowth" in many of the most prominent environmentalist publications. You may be unpleasantly surprised.

@paulmitchell2916

12 күн бұрын

@@shaulkramer7425 Degrowth is a great idea, and very harmonious with Christian faith. Nonetheless it's just one strand of environmentalism, and is based on political and economic, not religious beliefs. Definitely no advocacy of child sacrifice or anything like it.

@Tyler_W

12 күн бұрын

​@@paulmitchell2916 you need to do some reading or listen to knowledgeable people who can properly inform you. It is incredibly antithetical to the Christian faith, contrary to your assumptions. The degrowth agenda would ultimately cause countless deaths amd signficiant suffering. It's a demonic, antihuman agenda cloaked and veiled in the guise of good stewardship of the natural world.

I loved Jordan Peterson’s parallels to pagan sacrifice with nature, haven’t ever thought of it that way.

@bradleysherman4878

12 күн бұрын

Yeah. That’s pretty spot on.

@n4ughty_knight

12 күн бұрын

He got that from the Old Testament btw...

@sdrc92126

12 күн бұрын

It's actually []. Look it up if you do not believe me. Every tenet.

@paulmitchell2916

12 күн бұрын

If you haven't, your wiser than him.. because it's ridiculous..

@sdrc92126

12 күн бұрын

@@paulmitchell2916 Those that do not know history (of religions) are doomed to repeat it

This was my life before returning to the Church. 😂 Nature was a God for me

@FourthExile

12 күн бұрын

Same, it’s as if nature worship is like the standard answer for most atheists/agnostics/spiritual but not religious types to the question of belief

@thekingchrissyg

11 күн бұрын

Sounds like you degraded

@TheXone7

11 күн бұрын

Same here

@FourthExile

11 күн бұрын

@@thekingchrissyg who do you say Christ is?

@suew4609

11 күн бұрын

I’m glad you escaped!

So entertaining and this is just 6 minutes with JP. I can’t wait for the full episode.

@Theactivepsychos

11 күн бұрын

He’s even worse the longer i listen. When he says 1 short haul flight per person that still amounts to a hell of a lot of flights for those who do fly. 80% of the world never fly. Of the 20% who do only about 4% fly abroad. That leaves the rest with about 3 billion worth of short haul flights to dish out amongst themselves. The guys analysis skills are awful.

@JackHaveman52

10 күн бұрын

@@Theactivepsychos Do you mean that I'm in the 4%? Wow. I'm a retired bartender, who lives in a one bedroom basement apartment, and I don't have that much money, and I've travelled abroad numerous times. I save up my money and then take a trip somewhere. Short haul flights can cost around $100 bucks, well within the reach of most people in the developed and developing world. That's a lot of people who have access to those flights who don't take them for reasons that have nothing to do with their ability to use them. Besides, he's not talking about their availability. He's talking about how they want to restrict them, except for themselves of course. Sort of like the climate activists who fly to Davos, in their private jets, to pontificate how the use of fossil fuels, by the masses, is going to destroy the planet. Bloody hypocrites is what they are.

@Theactivepsychos

10 күн бұрын

@@JackHaveman52 Yeah if you fly multiple times you’re in the top 4%. I don’t understand what you’re getting at they aren’t restricting people they’re just asking people to restrict themselves if they care. If they don’t care you don’t have to do anything and carry on.

@JackHaveman52

9 күн бұрын

@@Theactivepsychos My point is that those statistics make me sound like one of the elites. If you told that to the people in my town, they'd laugh. Now, you're gaslighting me by telling me that I don't care. You don't know me so you're basing that opinion on ONE data point. A really fair and unbiased opinion that. Especially in Europe, they're considering legislation to restrict short haul flights. Google it and find out. That's not asking anymore. That's force. Just like telling people that they can't use gas stoves. What makes you think that barbecues won't be next? Another example is the forced killing of 200,000 cows in Ireland to save the planet. Ireland isn't the only country in Europe doing similar things. The Netherlands, Germany and France have all seen policies restricting the use of fertilisers and even the appropriation of select farms. There been huge demonstrations over it. 3 years ago, the government of Sri Lanka outlawed the use of fertilisers as a part of their green policies. There was a 40% decrease in crop yields and the people went hungry. Inflation went from 5% to over 130% in one year. It caused a revolution and the government was replaced. In every case, it's the little guy that gets screwed all in the name of "if you care you'll comply" thinking. That's my point.

His Canadian “Aa” is just right on! I see Jordan Peterson I click ! 😊

KZread didn't throw up the Climate Change Context box yet.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

12 күн бұрын

Maybe they gave up, peddling BS. Heil Covid! *clicks boots

@Danboy0001

12 күн бұрын

...yet 😂

@jefffinkbonner9551

12 күн бұрын

Astonishing

@JohnnyMUTube

11 күн бұрын

I'm still shocked!

@tammyodonnell5306

11 күн бұрын

That’s because of the algorithm. Ppl will hear and see what they want to. Which benefits KZread.

There is a 3rd way. Consumerism is a big a problem. We do not want to be nature worshippers but we also do not want to be parts of the consumeristic machine as Paul Kingsnorth articulates well. Showing restraint and embracing ascetism is a good thing. We do not need to be liberal pagans nor consumeristic, amazon shopping, 24-7 meat eating Americans... Perhaps we can be Christians who are disciplined and who fast (and feast) like the Monks of Athos or the Poor Clares. This discussion needs to be rounded out. I couldn't imagine Tolkien, Lewis, or Chesterton talking like this... Yes, they would critique our pagan, liberal trans society but they would also critique our pagan, consumeristic conservatism as well.

@thenazarenecatholic

12 күн бұрын

Hey @Barrelagedfaith ! I think that's what Peterson was getting at in this vid when he mentioned "We learn." I understood him to be meaning, "We learn how to better use resources to accommodate growing populations without neglecting the longevity of our world."

@barrelagedfaith

12 күн бұрын

@@thenazarenecatholic Sounds great. I am not really judging his complete thinking on the matter, but WHAT I am asking for is his complete thinking which doesn't come through enough when he is interviewed about our relation to God's Creation and the Cosmic Temple of which we are a royal priesthood. Hopefully it will come or perhaps I have missed it in other interviews

@lordkelvin441

11 күн бұрын

@@barrelagedfaith I strongly hope despite your mention of 'discipline' which is just a formalized and sophisticated method of survival against artificially unfavorable conditions that you recognize differences between ascetism and survivalism. Former can't exist without being complemented by some form of what you term 'consumerism'.

New Polity has radically changed my view of the Christian relationship with creation and technology. Christians need to better understand the historical and spiritual underpinnings of the industrialized, money-making, resource-extracting view of nature that our society takes for granted. It’s not Catholic. I do agree that many of the proposed policies coming out of the left to deal with environmental issues are purely political and can do great harm…but I’m tired of Christians and those on the right outright denying there’s a crisis in creation care. And yes, fossil fuels are part of the problem. I say this as someone who loves Dr. Peterson and his work. The man changed my life.

@chrisevans3891

12 күн бұрын

What’s the solution then? Because for better or worse fossil fuels are the life blood of human civilization. We’re not just going to get rid of them.

@jeromeyoung9431

12 күн бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement!

@kazarlengo

12 күн бұрын

Na

@n4ughty_knight

12 күн бұрын

Protestant problems

@bradwilliams2440

12 күн бұрын

Spot on. New Polity are in a league of their own.

This episode is gonna be great

Jordan Peterson sees what’s really happening and tells the truth. Wake up people.

@charlesrogers2803

12 күн бұрын

Tells the truth

@mcable217

12 күн бұрын

Jordan Peterson is only informed on psychology. Even if you don't believe the overwhelming evidence that humans are driving climate change, it's easy to verify that Peterson is dead wrong about estrogen in soy causing any sort of breast augmentation in males. He's such an antiscience goon.

@n4ughty_knight

12 күн бұрын

Does he still work with the DW? Or is he going solo?

@yokobono3324

12 күн бұрын

What you just said about Jordan Peterson is only slightly more insane than the nonsense that comes out of his mouth.

@Oricalkos123

12 күн бұрын

​@@yokobono3324another idealpolitik contrarian who somehow cynically doesn't have an ounce of cynicism and thinks none of the above is insidious or weird, did you even watch the clip, or are you just not capable of seeing the big picture? perhaps you've not lived long enough?

I was getting the 'overpopulation' sermon when I asked, 'do you ever get lonely?'

@FourthExile

12 күн бұрын

Yeah I hear it maybe once a month. I always say: thanks for the lecture Thanos

Ok, I’m subscribing to locals just so I can watch this. It’s too much to pay for a single interview but I realized in my decision making process that Ive already gotten so much from you Matt that it’s the least I can do. I’m grateful that this interview prompted me to give support to what has supported me. ❤

Im simple i see jordan peterson *i click*

Can't wait for the episode!!

He's so funny - because he's dead accurate. This is absolutely terrifying.

@Theactivepsychos

11 күн бұрын

He’s even worse the longer I listen. When he says 1 short haul flight per person that still amounts to a hell of a lot of flights for those who do fly. 80% of the world never fly. Of the 20% who do only about 4% fly abroad. That leaves the rest with about 3 billion worth of short haul flights to dish out amongst themselves. The guys analysis skills are awful.

@andysedlak1534

11 күн бұрын

@@Theactivepsychos WTF are you blabbing about. If 20% of the world flies, and everybody in the world gets one short haul flight every three years. That means that the people who fly get to fly less than twice each year. Can you do math?

@Theactivepsychos

11 күн бұрын

@@andysedlak1534 on average. 68% fly less than one short haul flight a year, 10% of flyers make 60% of all flights. It’s not gonna be difficult to reign in those flights and it’ll affect a small number of people. Add to this almost 6M flights a year are either totally or 90% empty, which could be vastly reduced by removing the minimum plane taxiing rental, and I think there’s plenty of flights can be made. There will also be unseen efficiency innovation that will grow super fast over the next 10 years for all travel types and communication is being revolutionised so the roughly 20% of business flyers will likely reduce. Climate change might even reduce the number of the 76% of flyers who are simply recreationally flying. It’s not as bad as it sounds really.

@andysedlak1534

10 күн бұрын

@@Theactivepsychos Why would you even want people to fly less?

@Theactivepsychos

10 күн бұрын

@@andysedlak1534 so when I go on holiday I don’t have to put up with nobheads

I love it! we need more people to speak with clarity!!! 🙏

If the devil succeeds in plunging the first world into mass material poverty, he would end up creating a lot of saints…. For this is how the saints lived. The apostles, the desert fathers , all those saintly men and women (too many to mention by name) who gave away all their worldly goods and renounced the things of this world…. Those who denied themselves, took up their crosses and followed Him. I don’t fear material poverty, only spiritual poverty, and we’ve already been living in mass spiritual poverty since the inevitable consequences of the renaissance and enlightenment movements bloomed into full effect well over 100 years ago.

@ailove313

12 күн бұрын

What a beautiful words

@cooldudette5868

12 күн бұрын

Very insightful comment. Amen

@jdub3999

11 күн бұрын

Amen

I'm so glad he came on your show! Praise God!

This will be such a meaningful podcast for our faith and the church to be well represented. A lot of people from all backgrounds will watch this I look forward to the full episode. Congratulations. Keep working for the lord brother.

@mcable217

12 күн бұрын

It doesn't represent the faith well. The catholic church has been consistent in its stance on climate change being a grave moral issue that threatens commitments to human life, dignity, and security.

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

​@@mcable217is right. It can't be written off as a "Francis thing." John Paul II and Benedict XVI were consistent on this, too. This clickbait video and viewers' uncritical acceptance of it are sad examples of shrinking the faith into one's political ideology. I know that the Church's stances on natural science aren't infallible, but at least give her a fair hearing on this platform.

"The number of people on Earth & having children is not the problem, not the reason for pollution, hunger... The problem is blind, unbridled materialism & consumerism, it is people's selfishness that creates injustice." ~ Pope Francis, May 10th 2024.

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

Amen. Trotting in Paul Ehrlich is a straw man.

@suew4609

11 күн бұрын

This is true! If governments would stop lining their pockets with taxpayer funds, the world’s leaders could eliminate poverty. The problem isn’t lack of funds, it’s uneven distribution of the world’s goods. People in rich countries could live with a lot less, but the powers that be are too greedy to try it. Most companies are out to make the biggest profit possible and could care less about the plight of poorer countries. But, Capitalism has pulled more people out of poverty than any other economic system, so it’s not all bad.

@lordkelvin441

11 күн бұрын

@@suew4609 How then about living with only what is required to survive (determined by governments turning scientific findings into law that can't be even questioned as purportedly reflecting ultimate 'scientific' truth)? The very way human metabolism works will introduce time dependencies that will compound over time, leading to adoption of a militarized lifestyle not only in terms of labor Marx wanted to militarize (not recognizing that King Frederick William I and his son Frederick II already did that in multiple German-speaking countries) but any human activity. Not that I would imagine student of communist activist would be able to formulate more nuanced insight...

@-astrangerontheinternet6687

11 күн бұрын

The Catholic Church swallowed up wef funds and changed the rules about what to eat to fast during lent. It’s a nice quote. But. As usual, without context.

@annatmarshall5133

10 күн бұрын

​@-astrangerontheinternet6687 how did the Catholic Church change the rules on fasting during Lent? I must have missed that bit.

I just LOVE Jordan Peterson. Thank you!

I bloody can’t wait for the entire podcast

I must see all of this!!!!

Ah!! Can’t wait for full release!!

I’m so excited for this episode

How refreshing! God bless you!

Everyone ultimately comes to a place where they submit to something, they then go on to evangelize that to which they submit.

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

On this question, Peterson submits to ideological talking points and the sound of his own voice. The man is high on his own supply.

Oh this was just amazing!

Where has Christian environmentalism gone? Since when Christians became so insanely modernists and don't mind the complete devastation of the countryside and nature? St. Francis is not happy.

@MATTMRN

12 күн бұрын

Christain’s ought to care about the world we live in and not litter and be promotive of various clean ups, however the initiative to ban fossil fuels and radically transform our way of life is backed up by little evidence.

@arturvarela9542

12 күн бұрын

This is a common fallacy. You achieve an end through means. We can have the same end in mind, but disagree with each other's means. Let A and B be two individuals with ends and means E(A), M(A), E(B), M(B), respectively. What you're saying is: If M(A) ≠ M(B) => E(A) ≠ E(B) Let α and β be two different paths that lead to φ. If A goes through α and B goes through β, then both get to Φ. Therefore, we're forced to conclude E(A) = E(B) But M(A) ≠ M(B), which contradicts your hypothesis.

@antun88

12 күн бұрын

@@MATTMRN But how did communists, who were always obsessed by industrial progress and modernity, switched sides and hijacked what was previously christian position? And now Christianits are defending big oil, fracking, and what not. That is kind of amazing to me.

@bumponalog5001

12 күн бұрын

Since when has raising taxes and wanting to force everyone to eat bugs been the way to save the environment? That’s just the way to give the elites more money.

@stephaniechan4714

12 күн бұрын

New Polity has radically changed my view of the Christian relationship with creation and technology. Christians need to better understand the historical and spiritual underpinnings of the industrialized, money-making, resource-extracting view of nature that our society takes for granted. It’s not Catholic. I do agree that many of the proposed policies coming out of the left to deal with environmental issues are purely political and can do great harm…but I’m tired of Christians and those on the right outright denying there’s a crisis in creation care. And yes, fossil fuels are part of the problem.

I’ve been in the oil business all my life…now retired. In the early eighties it was accepted that by the mid nineties there would be no more conventional oil…we are now oversupplied with crude Also, in the eighties we were planning for LNG ports to import natural gas…we are now using these ports to export LNG…if you will excuse me i will finish my fine steak and Bordeaux wine And by the way, if not for fossil fuel, there would be no whale left for those tree huggers to embrace.😊😊

He's just great!!

I LOVE JP's tone and clarity so much. God bless him! Can't wait for the full episode!!

Amazing. Love it.

So on point but I feel that they don’t worship nature they worship fear…. Love manifests itself in nature when mosquitos aren’t biting you 🙏

Here in Australia not allowed to have gas connections to any new built house and gas prices steadily going up,madness we have plenty of natural gas available.

Still, we must love them and treat them with respect. While they may be wrong, it is important to love everyone, as that is what Jesus told us to do. Sometimes, when Catholics are too aggressive towards people, it can drive those people away from Christ and the Church

Jp talks about being captivated by beautiful architecture and how it nourishes the soul. Untouched pristine nature has that effect. This is why Banff Alberta is left alone from development. It is ranked one of the most beautiful spots in the world.

Brilliant! 🤗 thank God for the voice of reason 🙌

I live in NY upstate NY. I remember thinking, "Oh, so you want 2/3 of the state to freeze to death." And honestly, probably.

@friedawells6860

12 күн бұрын

It's crazy when you actually try to argue it with them because they do want humans to die. Less humans to make space for the nature goddess. That is the plan.

@josephfisher426

9 күн бұрын

Or they want 2/3 of the state to revert to burning wood for heat, which is how most of NY got denuded by the early 19th century...

Jordan Peterson is awesome!!

2 Chronicles 16:9 "For the eyes of the Lord behold all the earth, and give strength to those who with a perfect heart trust in him..." Great conversation. I can't wait to see the full episode!

JP never holds back, and nails it every time!

It's a lot of truth the world needs right now.

Jordan Peterson doing an impersonation of himself is absolute gold!

Banning gas appliances in all new housing in my town. Idiotic decision. The electricity grid will not cope. Who decides these things?

in the 80's there was talk of an ice age coming.

I am Really upset the full interview is not here.

Where are we heading with all this stuff? It’s a question and an answer at the same time…

I need a close up of Petersons jacket.

Not a huge Jordan Peterson fan, but he’s absolutely correct about this

Neat

This is amazing. I’m livid too, but like it’s livid humour. Laughing at Satan with Michael’s foot on his neck.

I can't help but think that the romanticism of nature actually comes from the bible itself. The garden of eden can clearly be read as an allegory for prehistoric man in a state of ignorant bliss running naked and free in the wild where the food is plenty and the fall is when we started to acquire knowledge and figured out how to plant crops and gradually became domesticated

He’s on fire. I’ve watched three of these snippets now, and JP hasn’t said “approximating” once 😢❤

The start of the video ... Kermit doing an impression of miss piggy ...

My grandma eats at that Montreal bagel place! Best bagels

The more things change the more they stay the same,ancient archetypes at play we don't change,

“Thursday, look it up!” 😂

I shared this on f book .. Waiting to see who will see it. Sorry.. couldn’t help myself

burning wood in fireplaces and wood-burning ovens can contribute to respiratory issues like COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease) and exacerbate conditions like asthma. It's what is known in medicine as biomass exposure

@jomidiam

8 күн бұрын

Lots of things in life, including a lot of what we eat and drink, contribute to medical issues. Why not ban sugar and alcohol? If a government is going to ban something because it can contribute to health problems, they should first ban the chemicals being added to our food and drink. The chemical and food industries have a lot more power than the fireplace industry, though, so government is fine with the health risks they create. If we just go by some people getting sick or injured, a seemingly reasonable case can be made for almost anything to be banned. If something exacerbates a condition, it's up to the individual to avoid it, not for the government to ban it for everyone. Maybe the government should ban peanuts and shellfish? They can kill people on one exposure, whereas you have to be exposed to a fireplace over a period of time for it to affect your health. When my nephew was young, he'd have a reaction if there were peanuts in the room. That's way more dangerous.

2:05 !😂 YEP !

Will he upload the full interview?

The transition (no pun intended) from man breasts to a hallow ad may have been one of the greatest moments in KZread History!!

Yikes he seems unhinged. Catholics should support stewardship of the Earth. Yes, the modern environmentalism movement has a negative agenda but nature is still important and beautiful.

@satyannair4837

12 күн бұрын

Stay away from the Catholics!!!

@bumponalog5001

12 күн бұрын

What is the point of this comment? He’s talking about the radical climate change activist. Why are you bringing up a topic not related to the video?

@valwhelan3533

12 күн бұрын

No its the radical climate hysteriacs that are unhinged.

@Cassie16456

12 күн бұрын

@@bumponalog5001 ”’you have to save the environment.’ What the hell is the environment? What does that mean? You know I grew up in Northern Alberta. What was the environment? You go out into the bush in the Spring in Alberta and you’ll run smack dab into the environment alright. Clouds of mosquitoes and black flies. You’ll be one miserable little primate in no time flat. ‘Isn’t it beautiful?’(*mocking tone) It is if it’s an impressionist painting of the French country side. ‘Nature’(*tone of disgust)”. This is a quote from this video. It is not about a particular movement or activist, it is about the environment in general. My comment was about the environment in general. He talks about nature in a contemptuous way and on twitter for example, he makes loaded accusations against the Pope of being a pagan nature worshipper over his really rather benign comments about the Earth that are a lot of the time actually in total alignment with Saints and the Doctors of the Church. Climate change rhetoric is new, but it’s dishonest when Peterson accuses him of spending more time on saving the planet than on lost souls. His comments on the environment make up a small percentage of all of the Pope’s interviews and talks. I don’t think it’s normal to talk about nature in the way he does with such contempt and disgust(his facial expressions). While I agree the modern day environmentalists(I would *not* call them nature worshippers though, ie smart cities and electric cars have nothing to do with living in harmony with nature.) are pushing an agenda designed to control, nature and the stewardship of the natural world plays a vital role in the well being of human beings and shouldn’t be cast off as something humans are designed to be separate from. What’s the point of my comment? To share my opinion on the video, just like your comment is to share your opinion on my comment.

@Cassie16456

12 күн бұрын

@@satyannair4837this is a Catholic podcast.

The Roman Catholic Church is officially natalist: _Humanae Vitae_ (Paul VI, 1968-07-25).

Wow! This was almost like a sequel to George Carlin’s Saving the Planet.

Jordan Peterson is currently the most interesting person on earth IMHO.

"I heard in Ireland they have forbidden fireplaces". Matt, this is Canberra! Everything you guys listed in this conversation is happening now in Australia's capital city.

😂 I'm not the least but surprised.... This is so true

Matt laughing at 2:20 is classic. 😂

What a shame the full podcast is behind a paywall. Everyone deserves to hear this message.

Alexandria would greatly benefit from reading Gilbert Keith Chesterton. I would show mercy.

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

Chesterton was a staunch critic of industrialization.

@dalelerette206

11 күн бұрын

@@kevinmauer3738 Well said. As with Tolkien, Carlin, Henley and many others. I think Alexandria means well in the spirit Catholicism. The Virgin Mary smiles upon her heart. I do not think Alexandria realizes how much she is serving the Corporate Plutocracy

Sorry I live in Ireland and never heard of this 200,000 cattle thing we’re doing ??

@dorran2301

10 күн бұрын

He is referring to a leaked proposal to the government. They backed off a direct slaughter. Instead they are making it as hard as possible to farm livestock so you give up.

Christ is King!!! 🙏👑🙏

Large numbers don't get enough to eat, but perhaps if you're not one of them that's of no account.

@jomidiam

8 күн бұрын

Why aren't governments feeding them instead of doing things like banning fireplaces and gas stoves and trying to limit people to 3 pieces of clothing a year? The Earth produces enough food for everyone and has the means to distribute it to those in need. Governments prevent that from being accomplished. Instead, they virtue signal by making policies that do little or nothing to correct the problems.

I'm dying!!! "Roasted soy oil so you can grow breast as a man!!!"🤣🤣🤣

Julian yep

It’s sad to see a Catholic podcast just accept with no pushback what Jordan is saying that absolutely doesn’t represent Church teaching regarding Nature and the moderate use of it. “3 items of clothing a year?!” How is that a negative? How is that shocking in anyway to a Catholic? I regularly wear clothing till they have holes in it and only throw them out and buy new ones when continuing to wear the old ones would be immodest. The Church tells us to live lives of poverty for the sake of the common good.

@jomidiam

8 күн бұрын

Voluntary austerity is virtuous, but forced austerity isn't. It's not for government to impose virtue on people. The laws it passes will save no souls. I very rarely buy clothing, but I don't support any policy that forces what I choose to do on people who choose differently. Whereas the Church advises us to live a particular way, government forces us to live a certain way. That's how it's a negative.

@YourHeartIsTheKey

8 күн бұрын

@@jomidiam I haven’t seen any forced austerity measures regarding clothing yet. At most, it is currently only a suggestion. Funnily enough, a suggestion right in line with Catholic teaching on moderate use of goods. And yet we have Catholics who worship politics as a God who condemn this. Shows you that their priorities is more about being aligned with their politics than the Faith.

Nature-worship is a very good way to describe it, these people are basically just the classic religious fanatics who don’t want to admit that they are religious, let alone fanatical.

Have Beijing, Moscow, Tehran, Caraccas, Havana, and Pyongyang signed onto the C-40 Consortium, and intend to abide by it?

Ehrlich was neo-Malthusian, not Malthusian. He upgraded us from yeast to mice (cf. Calhoun's rodent utopia experiments predating Ehrlich''s 'Population Bomb').

In addition to the commodity prices, the value of Simon’s $200 went down too.

Bring on the "context" aka censorship box on YT

Peterson's jacket is 🔥

As much as like these two speakers this was i have to say a whole lot of nothing. Countries banning fireplaces whether it be Ireland and New Zealand may have their reasons that has nothing to do with climate change. Some people just want to breathe clean air and see the sky. The reason why so many cities in China have significantly lower sunshine hours than other cities at a similar latitude is to do with the sheer level of pollution density. I grew up in Ireland with open fires and while it was a novelty i'm so glad that we now almost all have oil, gas or closed wood burners. Much cleaner and more efficient.

@EvieGevie

11 күн бұрын

But isn’t it strange to think that a free, normal human activity that has taken place since humans discovered fire, can be banned? It doesn’t require technology or any outside resources other than wood that is maybe on your property. In other words, now you can’t start a fire without relying on outside resources and people, who may or may not want to give you access to that resource. And my understanding is that these same people want to eliminate wood fired and gas appliances, so all that’s left is electricity. What about if the power goes out for an extended period? Maybe humans aren’t meant to life in dense urban areas where they are physically distant from food sources, it is logistically complex to bring food to them, and they have no knowledge or ability to grow their own food. Perhaps we should be incentivizing people to move out of cities.

@Paddy234

11 күн бұрын

@EvieGevie Only open fires and high pollution burners are banned. Stoves that meet requirements are still legal and are actually more fuel efficient. You can still burn wood, pellets and biofuel in these stoves. They are just all around more efficient and cleaner than the old open fire places. I remember watching the Old UK soaps of many decades ago where you had densely populated cities and townhouses crammed next to each other. During winter with the fires going in every household you could barely see the sky and I myself as a kid remember the smell in winter of that heavy smoke in the air. We now have effectively kept wood burners but created a cleaner and more efficient version. Again i see this as a good thing. Better for cost and for air that's pleasant to breathe in all year around. Also did you ever hear of the great smog which hit London for 4 days in 1952. 4000 people died and over 100,000 became ill with respiratory problems. It's so nice having clean air to breathe. It has nothing to do with climate change in my view. We have just found a better way

@kenofken9458

9 күн бұрын

@@Paddy234 The newer low emission wood stoves are far more efficient. You can get 20 or 30 percent more heat out of a load of wood because the smoke itself is reburned before it exits the chimney. The smoke of old wood stoves is not merely toxic, irritating and carcinogenic, it's wasteful.

Wild to see Jordan Peterson performing a long form and serious discussion in front of a massive photo of a convicted PDF file... Someone should have told him.

Pints, can we cool it with the ragebait titles and thumbnails?

I don't understand why there is such a huge divide between Christianity and love for nature. Didn't God make nature too? As a human being, I am a part of nature. I don't want us to pollute the natural world with toxins or to genetically modify plants. Cannot we build organic gardens rather than destroying the very foundation of life we depend upon? Cannot we take the healthy aspects of both paganism and Christianity to create a synthesis and a future that is better than the past? Yes, paganism has unhealthy aspects, but so does dogmatic Christianity imho. I hope there is a middle way.

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

There is no divide if you follow Catholic teaching. Jordan Peterson is not a Christian, much less a son of the Church. If you want actual Church teaching on these matters I'd suggest you start with Laudato Si'. I'm a great fan of Pints with Aquinas but it was a very bad decision to undermine the Church's witness just to score some clicks.

@kevinmauer3738

11 күн бұрын

Dogmatic Christianity (Catholicism) is the answer! And it says the opposite of Peterson's personal opinions on these questions.

@isa_well...

11 күн бұрын

@@kevinmauer3738 Okay thanks! :) I think that everything has a shadow side, but I like most religions.

G.K. Chesterton's Distributism Or localism

"What the hell was its name?"😅😅😅

He has many great points ....but I trust David Suzuki on this one.

I'm glad a few others besides myself noted JP's jacket 😉 subliminal messaging?

Peterson in grumpy uncle mode!

@thossi09

12 күн бұрын

Well, he's been in the 'unhinged uncle mode' for the last 4-5 years, so 'grumpy' would be an improvement.

@valwhelan3533

11 күн бұрын

Yes he is destroying the nice, compliant, lets-just-get-along Canadian stereotype single-handedly. Not even one "sorry".

Never heard of C40, but now I have a list of 40 cities to avoid.

Damned Malthusians, and I don't use that language casually

St. Basil the Great would probably vote for the 3 items of clothing per year but for different reasons. Imagine this saintly man giving a sermon about how much you’re a thief for all the extra clothing you have, that you stole from the poor man in the street. Jordan Peterson would probably call St. Basil a freedom infringer.

TAKE A SCREEN SHOT AND ZOOM IN - PETERSONS JACKET

What? The yeast in a petri dish analogy is obviously not perfect since humanity (throught science) can collectively work on solutions to e.g., make agriculture more efficient, but the general message is still valid: there are limited resources and a limited carrying capacity on this planet and it's ecosystems and if the population continuously grows there will be a point of collapse sooner or later.