A simple “no” would have been fine.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

You missed his point. He's saying that it's impossible to not believe in God.

@John.Christopher

Ай бұрын

​@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 He's sidestepping whether he believes that there is a truth bearer to this truth

@ryanl5817

Ай бұрын

Obviously it's possible to not believe in God

@computernoise2209

27 күн бұрын

Any simple response would have been fine to those who avoid complexity.

@marstrain7857

22 күн бұрын

@@ryanl5817 you obviously missed his whole point

Jordan knows what he is doing. It is not that these questions are complicated for him to answer, he just knows that what he believes is atheistic to the Christian framework.

@MasterofLightning

Ай бұрын

Or... (And this could be a lot of mental gymnastics but I think there's a non-zero percent chance it's true). He doesn't come right out and say it because he would lose the non-believers who have found faith after they've listened to him talk about the Bible. He meets them on their materialist level and proceeds to break down the mental barriers. You have to realize, most atheists don't even see value in the Gospels, so you need to start the conversion on that level. I think if he were to come out as a hardcore Catholic, for example, it would make all the believers happy, but he would lose the ones who need it the most. Again, mental gymnastics for sure, but if JP is sincere in everything he talks about, then I don't think it's impossible. The main alternatives are: 1. He's a grifter. 2. He's an atheist and doesn't want to say it. 3. He's 100% honest and doesn't even know how to begin to categorize true belief.

@tigrisrgn4062

Ай бұрын

he is a smart bizznes man

@sam_b

Ай бұрын

​@@MasterofLightning i think everyone is missing the point hes making, he presents God as an "IS" rather than an "IF", so he doesn't like the typical "do you believe in God" because that implies basing it on evidence, which he finds it as the wrong way of thinking about God because God is the very act of BEING and if God is the ACT OF BEING then you dont need evidence to prove God existances because he just IS, TO BE by definition so he finds the question "do you believe in God" as utterly useless, He has the correct way of viewing God. Rewatch any video where hes asked with this question " do you believe in God" after you read this comment and you will understand what hes saying

@aaronreeve1414

Ай бұрын

^ I just attended one of his lectures. His daughter did a quick audience poll in the intro and, by applause volume, the audience was at least 75% Christian. If he was a grifter or just doing this as a business, he’d identify as Christian because that’s most of his audience.

@twshabangu2894

Ай бұрын

@@sam_b if that's the case then that is extremely misleading because he is using The Bible to make the case for God's existence and character. He knows a majoriy of his religious audience are Christians, and this conception of God that you are putting forward, if he also shares it, is not the Christian one. God is an actual entity in the Christian framework, not just one's conception of BEING. I do not like the misleading part of this. I have listened to Peterson for years and read his books, at best he is agnostic. But he knows that if he draws a line in the sand he will lose people on either side of his audience. Being a professor, he knows a lot of people's conception of God but somehow likes to make it seem like he doesn't. It is ok to have one's own conception of God, just be clear and make it known, because you have made it your business to "spread the word". Tell the people how your conception of God differs from the mainstream one (yes, there is a mainstream conception and it is very easy to understand. People believe God to be an actual being with thoughts and intentions. Only theologians and academics of his sort have this deeply nuanced view of God that cannot be defined). All this deepening the meaning at every turn to avoid answering directly is intentional, and he knows either he loses respect of the scientifically minded material atheists (which makes up a bulk of the scientists) or he loses the Christians. Either way, this has to stop. You cannot write books, give lectures, and tour the world preaching about the value of God then act insulted when asked whether you believe in God or not. There is no excuse for this. I love Jordan and he, ironically, made me realise the importance of beliefs. But, I have stopped believing he finds the question too deep to answer because I have seen him answer similar questions with no problem. If someone can ask him, "Do you believe in the Prophet Muhammad?" I doubt he would do all this filibustering. They asked him, did the events in the Harry Porter books happen historically. He said no they did not. So it is not the nature of the question, he is deliberately doing this so that he can remain in the center and have his cake and eat it too.

Wonder if when his wife asks him to take out the trash, he responds “well…it depends on what you mean by take!”

@minasoliman

Ай бұрын

“Honey, you’re asking the wrong framework of question.”

@josephjackson1956

Ай бұрын

Such is the way of the philosopher

@ce3547

Ай бұрын

All she have to do is give Jordan THE LOOK.

@michaelmicek

Ай бұрын

And says three Hail Marys.

@christophermanley3602

Ай бұрын

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Sounds like a really convoluted way to say he’s agnostic

@stevenwiederholt7000

Ай бұрын

@stuartist Thank You! IMO He Is Close though.

@tigrisrgn4062

Ай бұрын

lol

@sam_b

Ай бұрын

No he isn't you missing the point hes making, he presents God as an "IS" rather than an "IF", so he doesn't like the typical "do you believe in God" because that implies basing it on evidence, which he finds it as the wrong way of thinking about God because God is the very act of BEING and if God is the ACT OF BEING then you dont need evidence to prove God existances because he just IS, TO BE by definition, He has the correct way of viewing God. Rewatch any video where hes asked with this question " do you believe in God" after you read this comment and you will understand what hes saying

@eavesdropswhispers2598

Ай бұрын

You must be an atheist or an agnostic yourself for saying this, no way someone that has a relationship with God would say this

@richhahn2443

Ай бұрын

I, and I imagine many others, find his view of Christianity one we can identify with.

Pretty clear that he see's the utlity of believing in Christ psychologically. But these people who say he is close to becoming Catholic, I don't really see it.

@hildahilpert5018

Ай бұрын

No I dont see it.I don't see why people go so gaga over this guy.All he does is give psychobabble..Read Imitation of Christ by Thomas A,Kempis or Introduction to the Devout Life by St.Francis de Sales, the works of St.Thomad Aquinas, St.John of the Cross, etc. These works have stood the test of time and so has the bible, read them .

Only grace will break Mr. Peterson our of his Jungian framework.

@gregorywitcher5618

Ай бұрын

Be properly respectful. Capitalize the G in Grace and as he is one, call him Doctor. Reality is fractal: what level are you at?

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

After watching the video a few times, I think you missed his points, entirely. The comment section on this channel has been a huge cringe, lately.

@whynot1548

Ай бұрын

U dont even know what the Jungian framework is. U wouldn't condemn it...if ya did.

@gregorywitcher5618

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I think the Papists are cringing because Dr. Peterson is pointing the Way to Eastern Orthodoxy. His coat is ☦️ icons, people. C’mon. He is all about Right Teaching and keeps Jonathan Pageau as his Right Hand man very much on purpose.

@cofresiexe

Ай бұрын

The problem is the Jungianism. It’s his Existentialism. But it’s also his Achilles heel, because he’s not a traditional Existentialist, and where he diverges from what is normally contingent of that school of thought is precisely where Essentialism more coherently argues for what is most integral in reality (“essence precedes existence”).

It actually is that simple. Yes, belief is not just thinking/saying something, but it definitely requires thinking/saying that thing.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

You cannot make an existential commitment to the 'belief' of atheism. Therefore, atheism does not truly exist, and the question is absurd.

He’s so close, but he’s simply not there yet. God is not “the call to adventure”; He is the one who calls. He is a Person, not a force, or a narrative theme, or however Jordan would phrase that.

@user-vd7br8ck6x

Ай бұрын

God is a person??? I for sure hope and pray for you that you don't believe that

@waseemhermiz7565

Ай бұрын

​@@user-vd7br8ck6xGod is actually 3 persons in 1 being. Try that on for size

@waseemhermiz7565

Ай бұрын

​@@user-vd7br8ck6xwho's God to you?

@Oysters176

Ай бұрын

This is why we have a bunch of atheists, because of people like you. There is no man in the sky.

@mondopinion3777

Ай бұрын

@@user-vd7br8ck6x Person is part of the universe, emergent from bedrock reality. Your pet is a little person, a little Person, a tiny unique spark of the great Person. Every entity is Person. Consciousness is Person. Why would the Creator not be Person ?

What the problem is with JP is that the Bible itself says “believe” or “belief” is the right question. It may not end there but it certainly starts there.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

"Belief is an existential commitment, not a statement of fact." In other words, it's impossible to make an existential commitment to the 'belief' of atheism, therefore atheists do not actually exist, and the 'question' of God's existence is absurd.

@caleb.lindsay

Ай бұрын

"Who do you say that I am?"

Jordan: it's like asking what color is a musical tone, the framework is invalid Me: synesthesia exists and some of our greatest art is derived from it. It's not the framework is wrong it's that you are rejecting the framework. This isnt meant to be an attack on Jordan big fan but sometimes he seems unwilling to accept maybe the thing is just the thing and not a 20 layer deep metaphor. Sometimes the curtain is just blue and not a representation of the author's depression.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

Synesthesia is a disorder.

@scurvydog20

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Country_of_the_Blind?wprov=sfla1

@sam_b

Ай бұрын

U missing the point hes making, he presents God as an "IS" rather than an "IF", thats why he doesn't like the typical "do you believe in God" question because that implies basing it on evidence, which he finds it as the wrong way of thinking about God because God is the very act of BEING and if God is the ACT OF BEING then you dont need evidence to prove God existances because GOD just IS, TO BE by definition so Jordan finds the question "do you believe in God" as utterly useless and meaningless thats like saying "do you believe in exsisting" it makes no sense. Jordan holds the Aquinas's view of God "Ipsum Esse Subsistens" although he just words it differently.

@scurvydog20

Ай бұрын

I understand the issue is that strickly speaking an atheist materialist could claim they believe in the sum of all being as A God. Carl Sagan's "the universe is everything that is was or ever will be" spring ls to mind, the do you believe in God question is more specific to The God who has a mind, will, and spirit rather than being a generic force that would die with the universe. The call to adventure dies with the adventurer. The thing that rejects improper sacrifices dies with an end of sacrifice. These descriptions put God contingent on creation rather than the other way round. Unless the thing you believe in has a mind it's not God.

@sam_b

Ай бұрын

@@scurvydog20 Jordan isn't claiming that, Look when he says spirit of adventure thats him saying in other words God calling upon you, God isn't an item in this world he isn't of this world God is the very act to be it self. I AM WHO I AM. Ipsum Esse Subsistens. when you say "do you believe" you are charaterising it as an IF statement. BUT there is not IF question when it comes to God because GOD IS WHAT HE IS. ITS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF BUT ACCEPTANCE

“Your actions echo in eternity” is abundantly clear to me. It sounds as though he is suggesting that the best explanation of life after death is solely your actions being remembered by others on earth, after death. So one’s words and actions continue to live after your bodily death is as far as his beliefs go. In my opinion, this is the clearest Jordan has been about his stance on religion. He does not believe in God in the Christian sense. It seems as though he has created something new. A new version of post modernism with a hint of Christian traditionalism.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

IMO Dr. Peterson boiled his answer on the afterlife down to the existential commitment that he has made -- he lives as if his actions have eternal consequences. It has nothing to do with how he is 'remembered', and he most certainly IS NOT A POST-MODERNIST. How in the hell would a post-modernist claim that his actions have eternal consequences? Think about it. You can live as if your actions have eternal consequences or you can live as if your actions are ultimately meaningless (after you die). This is one of the most fundamental decisions that everyone has to make. Maybe you wanted JP to give a detailed description of Heaven? He's giving you the MOST USEFUL implementation of the answer to the question. How is "The streets are paved with gold," useful to how you live your life, and how you think about the question (especially for people who are unsure what to believe)?

God is a person (and more accurately 3 persons), not an “it”. I wonder if Jordan is missing that?

@aaronreeve1414

Ай бұрын

Not missing it, just disagrees with it. Or, more accurately, he’d likely have a very long explanation of how that’s just a metaphor for…stuff.

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

God is NOT a person. God is a spirit. Look it up in your Bible.

@enderoctanus

Ай бұрын

@@rrickarr You have just denied the divinity of Jesus Christ, a person. Way to go. You will also have to demonstrate what a person is to deny that it describes God. I am hoping that you just don't understand what a person is, and mistakenly believe it to mean 'mortal'.

@whynot1548

Ай бұрын

God is not a person, he's an Elohim myth by Khazarians. Jordan is probably closet to true divinity than u and all Christian's

@jasonhendricks4562

Ай бұрын

​@enderoctanus Jesus Christ is the incarnation of God. Jesus is a version of God. God itself is, by definition, ineffable. To call God a "person" is to sin because he cannot be understood in such a way

Not a good answer. I respect Peterson, but it's a simple answer. Everyone can answer this question, but for some reason he can't. I don't buy it. It delegitemizes him, especially from teaching the Bible.

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

And so many Christians are running to this man. They are telling them that this psychobabble has done a better job for them than reading God´s Word!!!!!! Christianity is truly in trouble.

@whynot1548

Ай бұрын

Which nobody reads anymore because it's now become a hindrance. As the Molochians have also overstayed their welcome in the human race

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

You missed his point -- there is no valid non-belief position, because atheists cannot make an existential commitment to their 'belief'. He's saying that there's no such thing as not believing in God, and from my experience, I agree. Atheists do not exist.

@vtorious9102

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894you're getting sucked into his word salad.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

@@vtorious9102 No, what he said was logically coherent, and matches my own personal experience in life. Show me a man who lives as if atheism is true, and I'll show you a psychopath. Show me an atheist society, and I'll show you a stack of a million corpses.

He's answered this many times before, and the recurring response he gives is, "I believe as though God exists," which is essentially what a cultural Christian/Christian atheist would say, although he hasn't pigeonholed himself to either of those labels.

In my opinion its the most honest answer we can give. When Jesus questioned his disciples regarding leaving him, they responded "to whom shall we go, you have the words of eternal life". This has so many levels of confirmation in it. "To whom shall we go", what are our other options? This is an acknowledgement of the abyss that is out there without faith. "You have the words of eternal life", this is an acknowledgement of the divine breath, the truth, the ability to form out of nothing something that gives us meaning and hope. My call to those who are Christians is to let go of the notion that you have faith and hold dear to God, when this occurs you realise that its actually God who has faith in you and is holding you. Once that really sinks in the ability to answer becomes just an acknowledgement of what you have been shown. This is the true witness we are called to be..

@christiandenis6042

19 күн бұрын

Yeah god does bet on us .. what you said is so sweet and true..its all about trust ❤ Greets from Germany and god bless!

“He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.”” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭16‬:‭30‬-‭31‬ “Do you believe?” is indeed the correct question. Stop evading the question. For a couple thousand years, mankind has been called to “belief” in Christ. To say “it is the wrong question” is suggesting that the Church has asked the wrong question for centuries? I don’t think so good sir. He is deceived and doesn’t want to answer it directly. His sophistication has limits. I’m continuing to pray for him and that he opens his heart to the Lord.

Mikhaela once said that her father taught them, ever since they were kids, the psychological significance of the Bible but not that what it teaches is real and true. JP is not interested in the correspondence theory of truth but in the pragmatic one

@my-spinning-wheel

Ай бұрын

The heart of postmodernism!

Nobody ever said "It is not that deep bro'" to Jordan

@Dandelion560

Ай бұрын

Because it is

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

No, you missed his point. It's deeper than you think. I had to watch it about 3 times. He's saying that """atheists""" are unable to make an existential commitment to what they say they believe, therefore a non-belief (in God) position DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore, the question is from an invalid framework, and totally absurd.

@5thMilitia

Ай бұрын

​@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 What is an existential commitment? I also don't see why a failure to live up to your beliefs means that you don't actually believe what you believe.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

@@5thMilitia An existential commitment means that you must live something, in order to truly believe it. Show me an atheist that actually lives with the logically necessary consequences of atheism -- human life would have no value, and life would be totally pointless. There can be no morals. IMO the best they can achieve is some kind of hedonistic psychopathy -- the life of a criminally insane serial killer/thrill seeker... but who actually LIVES like that? Atheists are unable to make that existential commitment. It's not so much about 'failure to live up to your beliefs', but rather more like someone who says they are sure a certain stock is going to skyrocket, and recommending that you buy it. Sell everything you own, and buy this stock, because they're sure of it. But when you look into it, it turns out they haven't actually _purchased_ any shares of this stock -- they simply parade around, hyping it up. They're in every comment section, touting Muh Spaghetti Monster, but in the end, they live as if human life has value. They can't find the guts to even buy one single share of atheism.

@jasonhendricks4562

Ай бұрын

Because Jordan realized that it IS actually THAT deep

It’s the “wrong question” because he has the wrong answer. Seems like the man is pedaling Gnosticism just like the rest of the self-help gurus.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

He's saying that it's impossible to make an existential commitment to the 'belief' of atheism, therefore the 'question' of God's existence is absurd -- there IS NO NON-BELIEF POSITION.

@Reloading20

Ай бұрын

​@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 he's saying he's an atheist that wants to keep gifting a religious scholar.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

@@Reloading20 Incorrect.

@GrammarPoliceBot

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 That is not what he was asked.

@John.Christopher

Ай бұрын

@hxhdfjifzirstc894 but if God is not the arbiter and this is all just some strange natural occurrence then his viewpoint holds no integrity or validity. Without God, outside of ourselves, life is meaningless and has no purpose even if we intuit things that are otherwise true - they're still ultimately meaningless. He can't answer the question directly. Asking him if he believes in an afterlife was a simple way to get him to finally answer the question which he is dodging. He's an agnostic.

In other words, "I'm not capable of fully knowing one way or the other. But what I can do is attempt to live a life that prepares me as best as possible in case there is. And in the process, I'll boldly and courageously take on the adventure of life and dispel with bitterness and resentment at the destruction that I will inevitably meet at the end. And if I've lived courageously enough, it will justify my suffering and hopefully leave this world a better place for the lives that follow." I think this is Jordan's most honest way to answer that question.

@seanc.mcnally2118

Ай бұрын

Great comment

@aaronreeve1414

Ай бұрын

I’d be much more inclined to give Christianity a chance if the focus was more on the attitude in this comment vs “the only thing that matters is whether you think God is literally a magic guy in space”.

@emanuelortiz6858

Ай бұрын

​@@aaronreeve1414Catholics and Orthodox Christians made that clear, "God is not a being among beings"

@joshpetermann

Ай бұрын

@@aaronreeve1414 That’s the exact focus in Biblical Christianity. “Believe” is not a mere acknowledgement of existence. Nominal/cultural “Christians” have drastically distorted the faith into a cheap, spiritual fire-insurance policy: “Just believe in the guy and you’ll avoid Hell.”

@BobbyDillon-ug5te

Ай бұрын

@@seanc.mcnally2118 I appreciate that

Jordan Peterson has brought so many people to Christianity. We should be thanking this man and praying for him.

@whynot1548

Ай бұрын

No. He's demystified Christianity and separated the good from the tribal and Savage. Which is what we must all do with all religion eventually

@John.Christopher

Ай бұрын

@@whynot1548 it holds no value if God ultimately does not exist. He's not demystifying anything. He isn't always coherent in his viewpoints, either. He at least recognizes the practical but I hope his wife encourages him to pray. Secular Christianity is an absolute relativism disaster waiting to happen.

@Matt Love you man. "I don't know how plastic is made..." 😆 I appreciate your humility.

It is clear to us that Jordan has not experienced the Peace that comes from entering into personal relationship with Jesus. We see the change in others, in their softened eyes and the deep relaxation that flows through their bodies, like Russell Brand after his Baptism. It appears that Jordan is not willing or able to be intimate with Him. Yet I cannot judge, because maybe he has been forged by God to do what he does.

@gregorywitcher5618

Ай бұрын

History will recollect his story. It is a co-creative dance he does with The three-person God. He cloaks himself in ✝️☦️✝️Orthodox Icons and keeps Jonathan Pageau, an Orthodox Icon carver at his literal and symbolic right hand side. Dr. Peterson spends more time in the presence of the Logos than the Pope, who recently referred to holding on to church dogma as a suicidal ideology. (60 Minutes interview…look it up) Dr. Peterson is walking along the path of Right Teaching, i.e., Orthodoxy.

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

Who cares if he does or not. One should care that so many "Christians" are treating this man like some sort of saint.

@gregorywitcher5618

Ай бұрын

@@rrickarrYour room must be very clean.

@Eric_Blair

23 күн бұрын

I'm sure you in your "clear" judgement of him believe he is headed toward eternal condemnation. There's always a pharisaical fundamentalist prick in the comments section of these types of videos.

He will get there

Don’t just entertain intrigues, conversations and thoughts but meditate in and search your heart.

Jordan is the ultimate cop out king.

I have wondered if Jordan Peterson was a believer. I supposed not. He proved it today!

This is the same gibberish I get from my four year old when I ask if he snuck a popsicle.

Dr. Peterson, please deal with this question: Is God a person? (Or transcendent tri-person?) Is God a being that reasons, acts, chooses, is conscious or self-conscious or self-aware, etc. Or is God just the word we use for the ultimate truth, goodness, beauty, perfection, etc., that we should strive towards?

"Jordan. Do you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh and that He died and rose again from the dead?" That's the question Jesus demands we answer.

@guilleagudelo777

Ай бұрын

No, he doesn't, if he did, he would have said it already. I think he's being a tool of Satan, he does what Satan does, he takes Scripture and give it a false meaning. He said on this same interview that he does know what John 14:6 means, something totally different of what 2000 years of Christian history says it means. So, he's saying that all Christians in history got Scriptures wrong and he got it right. 🤦‍♂

@sirennoir258

Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@boatrat

Ай бұрын

Even the demons believe. And tremble. Merely believing that it happened, isn't enough.

Jordon is like, "Don't ask, look!"

Peterson doesn't get how arrogant his stance is, even compared with some atheists. "Wrong question" Not according to the vast majority of Christians since the Apostolic times. Saying "wrong question" is a different way to say "I know better about the Christian faith than basically all Christians since the beggining of their faith 2.000 years ago!".

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

What you say might apply to Catholics, even more... they think of themselves as Muh One True Church, and anybody who says something they've never heard before is automatically wrong and an evil dumb dumb. The host asks him questions, he gives his honest answers, and YOU project that he means "I know better about the Christian faith than basically all Christians since the beginning of their faith 2.000 years ago!" Why don't you refute anything he says, instead of arrogantly dismissing his words? "Belief is an existential commitment, not a statement of fact." -- go ahead and disprove that. Atheists cannot make an existential commitment to the belief of atheism, society crumbles (paraphrased) -- disprove that, if you like. Your actions echo in eternity. -- disprove that. Are you going to arrogantly dismiss him, because he's not a Catholic, or are you going to disprove his words?

Peterson truly is the Maximus of our time.

The question is simple and he answered it in too many words but still simply. It is the same question I ask Christians all the time. Do you act like God exists? Do you act like there is life after death? If not, Why not?

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

Not only that, but he shows that atheism does not exist, because society cannot survive, if people actually acted like atheism is true.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

Finally, someone who actually listened to what Dr. Peterson said!

@John.Christopher

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 We've heard this answer again and again. A simple answer to the question of whether God is the arbiter of these truths be answered with a simple "I don't know" from him. He seems to not be sure if there is an ultimate provider of this otherwise objectively true standpoint. It's a bit of cognitive dissonance. We've heard this answer. The afterlife question got right to the point.. His answer isn't hard to understand, and it also happens to be true and great for contextualizing this question. But he's still avoiding the simplest part of this question which is why PEOPLE KEEP ASKING HIM

I'd have love you to ask Jordan "well its not as if you are the first person to think on a literary, metaphorical, or even psychological level Jordan. Why don't you learn from the Church Fathers instead of making up your own convoluted nonsense?"

Mr. Peterson going through the motions. First cry, then closey eye. Why use 5 words when you can use 500? 😂

@vtorious9102

Ай бұрын

Thank you for being sane and picking ip on his word salad BS.

Wonderful explanation for those able to follow. Sadly most will just glance over as overly wordy and complicated. I agree with this definition but I feel that a belief is the literal sense is stronger even if it was not actually true. It's true in a different way. Suspending our materialist judgement make faith is easier and stronger, your life get better faster than trying to navigate life with concepts in your head all the time. I think it might be a better use of the limited capacity of our brain.

I am not frustrated by Dr. Peterson's journey to faith. I empathize with him. Even as truths about Jesus and His Church were revealed to me it took time for me to embrace them. Read Surprised by Joy by CS Lewis. Conversion takes time. Often years or even decades. Pray for him and all seekers. They will be grateful for those prayers. And trust God to save His own. He calls them by name. They will hear His voice and respond.

A long time ago, I remember Jordan saying (approximately) that belief in God scares him, it breaks him, because of what it means. He hesitates to SAY he believes because it’s not just big, it’s everything. Saying you believe is meaningless. To ACT your belief is intimidating, but goes beyond value. He really does seem to be wrestling with God, and I think it’s more honest than just saying “Yep, I believe it, man.”

Beautiful!

Having watched the entire interview I think Jordan has yet to meet God to know him on a personal level as his savior, father, and guide. I know a number of people in the comments section have already mentioned this.

@boatrat

Ай бұрын

I've known legions of self-styled "Christians" (Including me! I'm one of them!) who have attended church, been baptized, listened to sermons, prayed long and earnestly, studied the Bible alone & in small groups, and grappled with many other authors in Biblical/psychological exegesis, since many years before JP ever came on the scene. Many of these people, especially when I was young (a decade or two before the Internet), even frequently parroted that bit about a "Personal relationship" with a "Personal Savior". I say "parroted", not to scorn the validity of the idea/experience itself, but to point out that it is precisely that: An actual "experience". NOT merely an idea. (And certainly not the mere verbal recital of a mere tribal identity code-word!) This is the defining issue which a lot of "Evangelical Christians" seemingly fail to grasp about the nature of their own religion. Which apparently puts me and JP in pretty near the same place: "Knowing" the Faith, but not actually Knowing the Author. I can read the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, and study all the other analysis that's been published about him. But no matter how much I might admire him, or even adopt his ideas and "follow" them as my own, I can't have an interactive personal conversation with Ben Franklin. In the same way, I can "faithfully" read the Bible and study God all my life. Maybe even try to "serve" His agenda. Maybe even try to convince others that they should do the same. But if the real Living God doesn't grant me a direct experience of Himself, I'd better not be claiming He has, before He actually does. The people who pretend to have a "personal relationship" with God when they actually don't, are the ones who will be told "Depart from Me, I never knew you". At this point in my life, the only thing I'm still sure of, is I'm in far less danger of Hell if I were a mere Agnostic, than to make my camp with the theologically-correct frauds.

For those familiar with Iain McGilchrist, the simplified questions ('Are you a believer?') are coming from a shallow left-brain understanding of the world, and the Bible was written from a much deeper right-brain understanding that uses the highly symbolic language of myth and metaphor. It's a far more poetic experience of reality and of life. It can't be understood from the stripped-down and purely rationalistic *prosaic* mindset that wants everything explained in newspaper or dictionary terms. Until you're able to think in this deeper more poetic way, your understanding of anything religious or spiritual is bereft of any real meaning or depth.

Tbh at this point all i know is that i know nothing at all💀

Honestly, I've lost infatuation and respect for Peterson. His handling of these questions has turned me off of the way he answers questions in general. He is not precise, he is not clear, his trademark style is to smash a bunch of metaphors together, which makes him sound profound, and I'm sure there's SOME substance behind it all, but he consistently fails to articulate it.

@rogerdittus2952

Ай бұрын

I agree with you. And on topics outside of religion your description of his "explaining" can be just as bad or worse. His takes on climate science for example. He can be interesting and thought-provoking, but he blabs *A Lot* about topics he is not an expert in like he is one. He doesn't seem to know or care about misrepresenting reality as long as the greater good as he sees it is served. Too much Ego? Dunno, but I think it's more and more obvious he has 'issues'.

@vtorious9102

Ай бұрын

You'd enjoy the work of HG Tudor on narcissism, specifically the content on upper-midrange narcissist. I'll tell you, the guy's word salad is skilled!

"What color is a musical tone," he says. Synesthesia is not necessarily a disorder. Sound is made of frequencies. So too is light.

Well I guess if he goes either way he alienates half of his audience. Or perhaps he is still journeying.

Jordan answers a question with a question. Is it just me or is Matt nodding along but actually think “um, no”

I would be interested to know if Jordan sees his understanding of the old testament to be the same as the Jews who wrote it. Jordan sees his understanding to be the same as Mathew, Mark, Luke and John when they wrote the gospels. Jordan sees his understanding to be the same as the writers of the epistles. Jordan sees his understanding of the new and old testament to be the as the same as some of the Church fathers. Or whether he considers his understanding to be different from some or all of the above.

Thr rights question is "do you believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior?" Do you believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, died for our sins and rose again on the third day? Do you believe in the one true God.

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

AMEN!!!!! All of Peterson´s pop psycho babble leads nowhere. But the real issue is why so many "Christians" are running to this man instead of the Word of God!!!!

4:35 matt! Love ur facial expression here 😂😂😂😂

Yes

It’s not a call to “adventure.” It’s the voice of God, beckoning us to come to His Son to be reborn.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

I think he's using timeless, universal memes for these various aspects of God, not defining them literally -- Jesus was only born about 2,000 years ago, so you're applying a definition that is not timeless.

“You either believe in that or you believe in its opposite. There’s no non belief position here.”

It is through brokenness that Jordan has come this far to even openly discuss Biblical truths and be in support of them. He just needs one more step. To publically proclaim he believes the biblicall account, because it is written - if we CONFESS before men, not just discuss theological principles and sort of lean into their broad intellectual applications. YOU NEED ONE STEP FURTHER Jordan

I think I'm seeing some positive aspects to Jordan's perspective on God here. As a christian, it's easy to get too focused on the relationship/personification notion of God, where as Jordan is focused on where God dwells in our lives ahnd in nature, the Omnipresent part of God. 🤘

Dude: "Do you believe in life after death?" Peterson: 6 minutes word salad without addressing the simple original question a single time.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

Hello, McFly! You're not paying attention in class. "Belief is an existential commitment, not a statement of fact." "There is no 'non-belief' position."

- Gets the question - Answers with another question - Answers the other question of which he asked himself Don't get me wrong, I really love JP and all of what he's done, but I believe he has thought himself into a filosophical pit with this one and has a hard time looking up at the God that wants a personal relationship with him.

@boatrat

Ай бұрын

What about those of us who do indeed "Want a Personal relationship" with God... but can't actually find one? What am I to do, when this God who allegedly wants Personal Relationship with me, seemingly refuses to engage? Even after a lifetime of me trying to engage with His Church? What are JP and I supposed to "say" in that case? Maybe we're actually taking the question more seriously than some of the people pretending to ask it.

"your actions echo in eternity"

Jordan Peterson won't hurt you physically. But he can hurt you in other ways.

I do love to hear him talk. But I don't think it is that complex. Maybe to the complex mind, but even the simple mind can grasp the truth of a loving, creator God.

I completely understand why he wants to get into the semantics of the question “do you believe in God?” We talk about this in my Bible Study a lot too, what does belief actually mean? And it turns out it’s quite a loaded question that can mean many different things to different people. However, common sense would dictate, most of the time people want to know if he recognizes his need of a savior, has put his trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of his sins, and commits to living his life in a Christlike way. There’s far more one could discuss about belief, but that’s a synopsis and is similar to what most pastors would ask someone who is being baptized.

1 Corinthians 16:5 Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia. This verse will be my next favorite verse in the Scriptures amen to it.

Instead of asking, Jordan, do you believe in God? We Christians need to ask him Do you walk in the God's way? Do you cultivate a relationship with God,Jordan? When tragedy strikes, Jordon, do you lean toward yourself or do you lean towards God, Jordan? Stating the question with a emphasis towards being instead of proof will help Jordan answer our Christian question does he walk toward God with us.

Nah, he's obfuscating again diverting attention away from the personal God of the Bible by focusing on His attributes and centring the same in a secular humanist context.. I mean Joseph Campbell, really!

@mondopinion3777

Ай бұрын

Isn't that the truth! So like Joseph Campbell. I call it the Intellectual Disease. I think Jung suffered from it too. Always the bridesmaid, never the Bride. When Jung went to Rome in old age, he became overwhelmed and had to leave.

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

Joseph Campbell dealt with myths and he did not use such psychobabble!

@seanc.mcnally2118

Ай бұрын

Campbell wrote 'The Hero's Journey '

Someone needs to challenge Jordan Peterson about the difference between the highest psychological position in the value hierarchy, which Jordan calls as God, and the actual metaphysical God that should occupy that position.

I love Jordan. I have so much hope for him. And he's the emblem, the definition, of Matthew 19:23-24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.'" There are more kinds of wealth than money. Jordan is very rich in human intellectual capacity and practice. He's standing at the door, looking through and seeing the reality and the framework and even the majesty. But he thinks seeing it and even understanding-perhaps more than most-does the trick. But following God isn't mental ascent. It's trusting and submitting to the real and living God with whom we all have to do. Please, Jordan, come THROUGH the door.

According to how the Scriptures are written and the parable of the Sheep and the Goats...Our pursuit is NOT eternal life or even trying to trust that the existence of God is real without doubt. In the end, the day of judgement, it's about whether He knows us and if our pursuit was for His favor. "I am your very Great Reward" (Genesis 15:1).

Why would you not think no life after death. There is life

The answer is of course I believe but we don't know what the hell believe means, only if you able to know God with absolute certainty only then can you confidently believe. Jordan takes the position of how dare I confidently say I believe who am I in relation to God. I act as if I believe, only God will be able to officially confirm if I am or not, but just look at the groups of believers out their they soooo mixed with their flesh that who can tell the difference between their ego and the Holy Spirit. I think it's time Jordan does a series on the biblical events of the new testament. There is were he will understand it means to begin to believe

You're interviewing a man who has studied Jung. He has explored the subconscious more than most. Once you have explored the subconscious you are going beyond belief you are acsending a whole new level. Beyond a polarized yes or no. It's simply the All.

Why does Jordan Petersons salvation need to be anyone else’s business, but Jordan and God.

For all of you who want to judge his belief. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

And instead of running to him to confirm your own Christian comfort, read the Word!!!!!! Why are you listening to a confused man instead of reading the Word God gave you!

@blazehudson2147

Ай бұрын

@@rrickarr Now you’re judging me. We all take our spiritual journey in different ways. If you are honest, the truth will appear. Be patient with those who are searching.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

A very relevant point, because this comment section seems to be full of people who did not take the time to understand JP's point, and project their own nonsense onto him. So many, that it's actually kinda creepy -- like some kind of bot attack.

@blazehudson2147

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 maybe. Good that people are talking. Or are we just bots? Lol

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

@@blazehudson2147 When 90% of comments are idiotic non-sequiturs, looking down on Dr. Peterson as if he's some kind of heathen moron, what difference does it make, whether they are from an atheist bot attack or from 'real' (presumably mainly Catholic) commenters? How can I distinguish between those two possibilities?

Let's turn this one around, shall we? How many people who proundly proclaim to believe in God and Jezus can articulate concretely what this means, exactly?

@lohi172

Ай бұрын

That’s what I’m saying. What do you believe, why do you believe it, what does that actually mean, etc.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

JP is saying that "Belief is an existential commitment, not a statement of fact." In other words, to _believe_ means that you must live as if you believe. The short answer is to do what you think is right, instead of what is best for you, personally. Which is why atheists do not exist -- they are unable to commit to the logically necessary consequences of atheism.

You should have asked "Do you believe Jesus is God and died for our sins, resurrecting on the third day?" There woulf be less space for JP to avoid and evade rhat question like he did here...

@JLudd

Ай бұрын

I don’t think that would work lol I think Jordan is a special individual who’s doing much more then the rest of us and is on his own journey to god but yeah it would be lovely if he came out and accepted Jesus lol

@Reloading20

Ай бұрын

He's been asked that before and just says some nonsense and avoids answering the question.

Jordan went Maximus Decimus Meridius on him.

How to get out of answering simple questions: 1. Give a ridiculously short non-answer 2. When pressed on your dumb answer, patronize with an equally dumb non-answer and act like the questioner should understand 3. When pressed further, belittle the question itself by calling it “invalid” and asserting your own presuppositions. 4. Change the subject slightly and act like that topic is the “real” issue at hand You’ve successfully not answered a question.

@sunflare8798

Ай бұрын

And yet so many fall for it, just see the replies here. The majority is truly dumb

"In countless religious traditions around the world we find spiritual richness. Together they form the story of man reaching out to God. The difference is that christianity is the story of God reaching out to man."

Does anyone know of a historic thinker that argued for a monotheistic God primarily through the avenue that Jordan Petersens is following? I just wonder if he can get there by focusing on psychological phenomenon when he is a serious skeptic of access to knowledge.

I think Jordan Peterson is just like me, an agnostic who wish Jesus was real but can't really know for sure, at least in this world.

He is a believer but he knows there is more to it than just believing. You can’t just say your a believer and convince yourself and others your going to the heavens. It’s what you know already as one because gods inside you. God can not be verbally described as an inanimate object God lives inside us as individuals. God is mysterious for a reason. That’s why he created us with free will. To let us walk our own paths to him.

Jordan believes in the Logos, he just doesn’t believe in the supernatural or mysticism of God. At least that’s what it seems to me

algo

The whole Christian obsession over “do you believe” has been one of the greatest detriments in spiritual maturity. It’s like we stopped at 3rd grade with God and Jordan is trying to bring a collegiate level of framework to the Christian life. It’s so refreshing to have his voice with this level of clarity.

@TulsaSooner1979

Ай бұрын

Wrong. "But who do you say that I am?" Matthew 16:15-19. Jesus, who is God in the flesh, requires all of us to answer this question. The answer to that question determines our path. It's the absolute crux of EVERY single person's existence. Jesus made it EASY to answer this question correctly.

@aaronreeve1414

Ай бұрын

What’s the context for that verse?

@stephenvierling2287

Ай бұрын

He doesn’t bring much clarity at all to the subject. I like Jordan, but man he convolutes things so much.

I think he needs to read Paul's first letter to the Corinthians ‭‭(verses 17-19 NIVUK‬) "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied."

The Bible says love the lord with all your heart, soul and mind. Seems to me Jordan has only learned to love him with his mind so far. Don’t judge him, hopefully it feeds into his heart and soul soon.

Christian faith is not a commitment to an ideal "spirit", no matter how perfect it may be. That's more like Islam or Hinduism. Faith is a relationship.

Hes saying its not a question if you think its a question you need to read and think more as well as act.

let's see if that explanation will work with God when he asks Jordan why didn't he openly confess before men.

Peterson like so many likes the stories of the bible and believes they give good value but he does not believe it as real history. I've encountered those who believe the bible is astrological and like Peterson is intended to give metaphorical lessons. He remains as he always has been an agnostic who enjoys the hobby of the bible and Christianity.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

Agnostic? Did you even watch the video? JP proves that the 'question' of God's existence is absurd, and true atheists cannot even exist. He says "a non-belief position does not exist."

@GusdabereanHXO

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 yes I saw and as I said he is agnostic. His entire view about the Bible and Christianity is very much like the beliefs that exist among those who view the Bible to be simply astrological parallels. Peterson has openly stated he finds the resurrection unpalatable in reality. I have interviewed some of the world’s leading scholars one of which would like to have a in depth chat with Peterson’s skepticism on the resurrection Dr. Gary Habermas. Peterson speaks in allegory admits he is not a materialist when in reality the Bible is filled with substance. Two real creeds describe a real Christ who really rose from the dead and we have a litany of archeological and textual data. Yes he is not an atheist however there is lots of agnosticism with Peterson.

@GusdabereanHXO

Ай бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 And as i stated he is agnostic on the issue of Christianity and the bible. He finds the lessons in the bible palatable but he denies whether it's stories are real in a "material" way. This is why he cries out against what he deems as religious materialism. I know of others who refer to the bible and Christianity with astrological parallels. It is a form of age old Gnostic Christianity in which the Valentinians also meandered through and much of what bore the gnostic nag hammadi teachings. Peterson likes the aura of Christianity and the bible but in a very elitist gnostic way of thinking he discards it as too materialist. That's also why he cannot bring himself to accept the resurrection which is why the Docetists took issue with materialism among the ancient church. He cannot fathom Christianity as "beliefs" because such beliefs involve "doctrine" and he takes issue with biblical faith in it's totality as propositional. He likes his psychological approach which afford him to a more inclusive albeit universalistic view i.e. Joe Rogan. His words "Your actions echo in eternity" is so much like the heresy of Origen and preexistence because Peterson as a gnostic and cannot simply regurgitate propositional truth as it literally presents itself. Jesus the Risen God Man now and forever, Amen

Peterson has what i call analysis paralysis

A simple yes or no will do

It's not a matter of whether you believe he exists, he does, what matters is if you believe in what he will guide you toward, that's why the all American money says in God we trust, because money will lose it's value and it won't always be able to save you

Whenever we watch someone move toward the faith, it’s going to be clunky. Most of never experienced the magnitude of attention that Jordan is experiencing over his beliefs. With that said his need for grace is just like ours. I pray for Peterson like I pray for Biden and Trump. We all need Jesus!

I want someone to ask him if he believes Jesus is who He said He was

Jordan's explanation is the best explanation of how to conceive the God of the Bible in the way the ancients probably understood God. The idea of God as a man in the sky is a modern understanding post scientific revolution. So Heaven isn't a place it's Being itself AKA Theosis. The question that still stumbles Jordan is Jesus Himself. To come to the realization that Jesus is truly God and truly Human is the ultimate truth. JP takes this extremely seriously so I don't have a problem with him not giving a straightforward answer of proclamation.

Jordan must have a phd in dancing around questions. Do you believe in something? It’s a yes/no kind of question, you rather believe or you don’t, you’re rather convinced or you’re not.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

"Belief is an existential commitment, not a statement of fact." I had to watch this video about 3 times, before I understood his points.

Can Peterson find similar themes in other religions?

"Belief" is an existential commitment - it's not a statement of fact. Where's the reality? God = Logos

The religious try to box JP in, conforming to thier idea which divides from all others, and he can't be put in a box (what ever you like to call this, it doesn't matter). ..You don't need a label to point to the truth.

@rrickarr

Ай бұрын

True. But then all of these people should stop calling him a Christian because he clearly is not. And furthermore, all of the pseudo Christians should be deriving there strength from God´s Word--not a pop psychologist. "My hope is built on nothing less but Jesus Christ and rightenousness." Is there anything unclear about this?

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

Ай бұрын

@@rrickarr JP destroyed atheism in this clip. What did you accomplish? You told people to ignore him. What would it cost you, to actually listen to his words, instead of being so proud that you're wiser than him?

St Peter had a Christian answer which might have been put by interviewer...JP'S answer might have been interesting. Christianity is not a collection of propositions ...or even a collection of prohibitions !