I have watched the video multiple times, my opinion doesn’t matter on who’s guilty or who’s not. What does matter is I showed my 18 year old son the video, who looks a bit like the young man that passed, because I wanted him to see how a situation could turn out. I felt it was very important for him to see it. My suggestion is some of you do the same, maybe things like this wouldn’t happen as often. It saddens me that young man passed away over this.

@erinjordan6972

2 ай бұрын

Way to go Mom, and kudos clearly you’re not an enabling parent👌

@laurav9661

2 ай бұрын

Yes exactly what my thoughts are. Life can change in seconds from a stupid encounter because of a flash of anger, andor impaired judgement because of alcohol or substances.

@user-wh1gd5iz3e

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like you son isnt harrassing old men in river and shoving them into the water while calling people to action via "pedophile" amd "raper"

@90texas

2 ай бұрын

Get your son self defense classes as well. That guy could’ve been stopped very easily if anyone had any type of hand to hand combat training.

@MaryHartman-ei9pv

2 ай бұрын

​@erinjordan6972 exactly another parent who is part of the problem!!!💯💯💯💯😡

The girl yelled, screamed, or asked him to leave. He decided to slap or punch her. He escalated the conflict, so he couldn't then claim self-defense. Just being afraid doesn't justify murdering someone.

@JamminClemmons

2 ай бұрын

BS!!!!!! - She accused him of looking for young girls...! What the video *"failed"* to show was the preamble/intro to what occurred. The drunken and drugged teens had surrounded him. That man needed to defend himself. *WHO* supplied a group of 25 underage teens alcohol? The law will soon find out! This was mob mentality.....NEVER trust drunk teens in the pack (look at Spring Break in Florida). They don't want underage hooligans in their state anymore.

@nicok2131

2 ай бұрын

exactly. why did these defense lawyers take the case? shame on them. Why not convince him to plead guilty instead of put everyone through this mess? It's insane. It makes me wonder -who else has this man killed?

@davidgray1515

2 ай бұрын

It does in many states. Rember the guy that killed the black teen because he was afraid of a bag of skittles and got off?

@codreaming9304

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. What kind of man hits a woman? 🤦🏻‍♀️ I guess a drunk one. Those girls/women should not have been screaming in his face and touching him (his arms), but he should have had the self control and walked away. He let his pride get in the way, and I’m sure the alcohol consumption didn’t help either. The teens were defending her honor, so to speak. I’m sure some of them are big brothers and are used to defending their siblings. I just wish they hadn’t created such a circus by name calling, laughing, and pointing. It was a sh*t show that ended in disaster. So many lives changed…..for what? 😢

@BlackStump172

2 ай бұрын

@@davidgray1515That was corrupt bias .

People dig in on their feelings. Instead of an impartial truth.

@johnnycash578

2 ай бұрын

you are so right these people are clearly favoring the kids and thats bs!!! these people are so far from impartial witnesses whats wrong with everyone just watch the video its all right there doesnt matter what anyone says right???

@Kerrviii

2 ай бұрын

@@johnnycash578these kids had a reason to be out there, partying. The old man crept up on them, was disrespectful, walking up on a bunch of kids…. with his old loser friends. The kids even told him to walk away.

@Missglam67

2 ай бұрын

@@Kerrviiiyou’re ignorant AF. Everyone has rights to be in the river enjoying their day. Yes, My Miu was reckless and he was 100% wrong but it doesn’t matter if he was looking for the goose that laid the golden eggs, it was his business and he wasn’t harassing these kids until they felt the need to open their mouths and start shit! He doesn’t have to answer them or engage them. Yes I agree that him running up to them after their nasty comments was not the smartest decision but I can guarantee that nothing would have happened at all if everybody involved minded their own damn business. The ignorance I have seen from both sides is astounding. It’s like you enjoy being stupid!

@joshmcgowan5129

2 ай бұрын

@@Kerrviiiwhat are u on about🤣🤣the man was snorkelling looking for his wife’s phone or someone’s phone when they started calling him a pedo and a raper, they continued to do so while he said nothing until they attacked him🤣🤣🤣what video have u watched

@joshmcgowan5129

2 ай бұрын

@@Kerrviiihis old loser friends, what a way to speak about an engineer that’s come to contribute to your country absolutely ridiculous no respect for elders these days

Sending your kids into an escalating situation is extremely irresponsible

This is a straight up horror movie

@Theresa89

2 ай бұрын

I was listening to this last night in bed . The last thing I remember hearing was the screams of the people before I fell asleep . I woke up from a bad dream hours later . It really was a horror movie .

@RedHorseman66

2 ай бұрын

Jason Vorhees

@Arklay_Ishimura

2 ай бұрын

Not really. It's a group of dumb kids fucking around and finding out. Night of The Living Dead is a horror movie. This is just both sad and hilarious. The left wants to be drama queens so they can outlaw self defense with a weapon.

@ryshellso526

2 ай бұрын

Aliens chest burster scene but with a broccoli headed zoomer freak...😂😂😂

@Aromapablo

2 ай бұрын

Bro, and the ppl on KZread leaving crazy comments omg. America is fucked if they don’t know what law is. What killing another person is

The dad said it best that drunks cause a lot of problem

@floridafishingandfitness5735

2 ай бұрын

That's why alcohol is the only legal drug in all 50 states. Keeps the court system flowing. Between DUI's, assaults and stupid, drunken behavior they will always have someone to arrest and run through the system.

@spencerj4677

2 ай бұрын

​@@floridafishingandfitness5735 that's an interesting theory

@rights_are_god_given

2 ай бұрын

Right, he was probably drunk too.

@valentinius62

2 ай бұрын

Alcoholics are a major PIA.

@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz

2 ай бұрын

@@floridafishingandfitness5735Powerful lobbies behind pushing that firewater . Cant stand drunks.

Was that your actual birthday? What a stupid question.

@brenthunter7965

2 ай бұрын

I chuckled at this lol, but it's common for people to plan a birthday celebration on a weekend around the actual birth date, and he asked that question to clarify that this wasn't the case.

@me-hp7vh

2 ай бұрын

I'm glad that witness finally sat up and quit taking stupid shit from the attorneys intelligent 😂 questions.

@paulc-xj9ck

2 ай бұрын

Misdemeanor: Birthday celebration by deception

@muzeezhodillo8613

2 ай бұрын

No my actual birthday is in January. This was my other birthday.

@SavingSoulsMinistries

2 ай бұрын

"You were floating down the river and saw something that caught your attention" |like no shit sherlock

"Hey sons, there's gonna be a stupid drunk fight between strangers, go get in the middle of it"

@speedy423

2 ай бұрын

My thought exactly.

@cascade00

2 ай бұрын

No need for a competition when you guys are fearful and lose, he's not fearful so he is the winner Skadoosh losers go where you are safe and stay where you are safe Never understand people who ran pubs in Europe and how they de escalate Never understand somebody else's perspective in life Stay where everybody hides like you

@aparsons7374

2 ай бұрын

While being drunk.

@gregoryjones7712

2 ай бұрын

yeah its cool intel someone is a old obese coward who likes to pick fights then bring out weapons idk maybe its a Romanian thing ??

@user-dx8wy1zs5p

2 ай бұрын

Cant believe a father would send his sons into that. He seems kind of dopey

There wer so many bad choices made in this tragic encounter 😔

@dudemorris7769

2 ай бұрын

Lesson learned. Jury isn’t going to find guilty as it was 11 against 1 & he was being beat up and protected himself.

@Amanda---

2 ай бұрын

@@dudemorris7769 Equal force

@sierrannomad

2 ай бұрын

1 person was wrong, the killer, he could have walked away, they are kids.

@thomascolbert2687

2 ай бұрын

​@@Amanda---13 on 1.

@thomascolbert2687

2 ай бұрын

​@@sierrannomadHe tried to walk away. He was stopped by two drunk broads who(of course) escalated things

Why would you send your children into a dangerous situation intentionally????

@rights_are_god_given

2 ай бұрын

He's an idiot.

@TheSingingGardener

2 ай бұрын

No one could’ve predicted what would happen.. as he stated he sent his boys do deescalate the situation because he himself can’t walk that great… the defendant took the first blow by slapping/punching one of the girls and he ended it by stabbing 5 of the kids and killing one. Stop making excuses for the murderer

@The_Brew_Dog

2 ай бұрын

They were adults, his “children” are adults.

@kellym4747

2 ай бұрын

@@The_Brew_Dog and he said they worked at the bar with him and were very good at de-escalating things. Didn’t sound like this one went so well though.

@seeno1

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSingingGardenerwhich is exactly why he shouldn’t have sent his children to involve especially when they’ve been drinking. He doesn’t know anything about whats going on. White people have trouble with minding their business.

A horrific act of violence that could have been avoided by ALL. Walk away or call the police! Sad!

@Eeohippus

2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah call the police, because they never Escalate anything or kill the wrong people

@bradyspace

2 ай бұрын

The teenagers are high and drunk. Why would they want to get the police involved?

@AJ-Gems101

2 ай бұрын

Walk! away?! HOW!!! The drunk nuisance teens kicking pushing hitting.... how was he supposed to walk away from that!!! And I have been in a situation like this when I was younger it was not this drastic but I can understand how this man could have panicked and reacted due to fear of his life. However I am saddened that this young man lost his life.

@katshades

2 ай бұрын

The video shows Miu walking away. Then the hang surrounds him. Have you seen the video?

@A-Jax1988

2 ай бұрын

@@katshades lol ok, good thing you’re not on the jury.

I went river tubing once , and my shorts fell down and I tripped over some rocks and everyone laughed at me so hard. I just got out and walked through the woods barefoot, found a road and hitchhiked back to the start of the river got in my car and left. Never went river tubing again. It was so embarrassing

@genericamerican7574

2 ай бұрын

And everyone in the story lives? Really you have nothing to be embarrassed about.🖖

@smwrbd

2 ай бұрын

Should have explained it gets bigger. That the water was cold... etc.

@whodey585

2 ай бұрын

Is that why they call you the lonely viking?

@duststorm2699

2 ай бұрын

1970's we went rafting with cheap tubes from K-Mart. The New Mexico river was so low in places that we girls wound up sitting on the shoes of the guys because of the sharp rocks under us that could have damaged the tubes. There were also rapids. There was not another soul around. It got cold in the mountains and we dried out our socks over a fire the guys built & drove back to UNM.I've never gone again.

@michaelarenas9185

2 ай бұрын

You mean when they laughed you didn't start assaulting and stabbing people. Weird

A kid was disemboweled. WTH. End of story. No one else had weapons. He disemboweled teen.

@Bakedea87

2 ай бұрын

Yeah in fairytale land. We will wait till you come back to reality.

@grahamfinlayson-fife73

2 ай бұрын

​@jessicaparks9495acting "unruly" by mobbing up and trying to kill someone

@SkullJelly

2 ай бұрын

Sure there were weapons. A bunch of teens with fists against one man. That along can cause some damage and even death.

@LQOTW

2 ай бұрын

@jessicaparks9495 HEll, I'm a Boomer and I'VE got questions.

@FasterFaster196

2 ай бұрын

​@@darlene8721No, Darlene. 🙄 This is human nature. Not the apocalypse.

I hate how attorneys are allowed to try and twist a person's words around

@kimthreadgold2755

2 ай бұрын

Witnesses do the same thing and lie.

@kimthreadgold2755

2 ай бұрын

Defense is excellent and catching witnesses in lies.

@kimthreadgold2755

2 ай бұрын

Defense is tearing the father apart.

@steelhurricane4041

2 ай бұрын

I hate that too. You have to not let your emotions get the best of you. Just untwist their words.

@unclescipio3136

2 ай бұрын

Everyone is entitled to a defense. Even drunken old cowards with no self-control.

You ask a witness what they saw only to tell them they didnt see it..A master class in coercion and gaslighting

@rockstarofredondo

2 ай бұрын

Witnesses lie, misremember and communicate poorly. Video does not. Comparing what one says with what’s on video is not gaslighting or coercion lol

@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS999

2 ай бұрын

Well… errr… EVERYONE (including the self righteous Carlsons) are misremembering and have misrepresented this situation. Half are playing it up and half are playing it down. It’s actually fascinating because a lot of it is most likely genuine misremembering but it shows the crap courts have been relying on over the years.

@justinejustice_league1857

2 ай бұрын

@@google_is_a_criminal That attorney likes to mince words and play around with context. How you "approach" someone definitely has a correlation on how you'll be received. The fact that Mui was charging or running at those people was not an opinion. However this attorney wants to negate or totally erase context and simply call it "approaching" someone. He does this all throughout his cross examinations so much that even the judge was getting impatient. Time works against recollection and attorneys actually bet on this helping their client but it doesn't mean the witness is trying to deceive the court.

@FRESHL1887

2 ай бұрын

No, just the ordinary 101 trial basics class of law school.

@barcodebattler2587

2 ай бұрын

Even his own son contradicted him😅 everyone is lying that they heard the thugs shouting help and that nick hit maddie. They are doing this to justify their mob behaviour, p.s it doesn't even justify their behaviour

This shows how well you need to be aware of what you say to the police immediately after any kind of incident.

@KariJohnson-dq8iy

2 ай бұрын

Yes he twisted every word.

@me-hp7vh

2 ай бұрын

Oh it was blatantly obvious dad was out to have a good birthday with his kids🎉 Had he been alert and treated the situation as he would in his bar, I'd imagine he'd do what he did. Send his boys/men over to bounce, go in strong and quickly and deescalate. Water and tubes made for a slippery wreck of a bouncing job. The old man meant well. To chill out the drinking teens from a man. Problem is that the man made a decision to pull a knife and use it... In excess 😢 it was war for him. Intent to kill. It took a bit for people to realize he wasn't just throwing fists like a drunk bar fight, he had a small knife in his fist. The shock alone of the escalation to blood bath yeah Dad shoulda gone silent, lots of shoulda dones for lots of people. I've witnessed a fatal car crash, no one was partying. We as spectators did what was needed. I sat with the driver that lost a best friend instantly. .. I knew he was in shock and I told him this was not your fault, there was nothing you could do at the road speed just feet away from the intersection when the light turned yellow. That day a man chose to turn in front of them, hesitated, then gunned it, damage done. I'm so grateful to have had my head in a good place to be extremely aware of every unfolding detail visible. We can take away so many lessons from these types of experiences. I knew my statement and as for the news, on my terms I'd give them a statement under my conditions. No picture of the scene on the front page. God Bless all these people, God Bless U.S. all. We need your wisdom and guidance more than ever

@candykane4271

2 ай бұрын

Be like Ruby Franke and zip it.

@mikehoncho5389

2 ай бұрын

Rule number 1, never talk to the police.

@jenninscho1980

2 ай бұрын

SAY LAWYER ONLY!

90 seconds changed so many lives FOREVER!

@jr5993

Ай бұрын

Happens very often unfortunately

@OKOK-hm2is

Ай бұрын

No. No 90 seconds. 17 years of bad parenthood, which lead to unavoidable result.

EVERYONE better be showing their kids this court case. This is a great example of what could happen if you unnecessarily mess with the wrong person. (Some folks are crazy) I don’t care who’s right or wrong…..keep to yourself/group and if you “have to” speak with someone, simply BE KIND! In no way am I taking up for the man that stabbed this boy, it’s terrible. I’m just making the point that kids do stupid things just like I did as a kid but kids these days seem that they do not foresee consequences for some reason. (PARENTING)

@Sisflowflow

2 ай бұрын

Perfectly stated!

@rainbows9060

2 ай бұрын

Devices are the new parents..

@starpowers1737

2 ай бұрын

The new teens are becoming more reckless and lack of maturity because of what they see on those online KZreadrs or games they play. Lack of proper right education.

@justice-jb5ld

2 ай бұрын

The bully went towards the kids looking for trouble, to fight with them. You can tell by the way he used his knife, that he was very experienced, not the first time he did it. I suggest people should tell their kids that whenever they encounter a bully, like the defendant, they need to go away themselves, to run from the place, because bullies don’t go away, they are there to hurt people and cause as much damage as they could possibly can, like in this case.

@starpowers1737

2 ай бұрын

@@justice-jb5ld the bullies are the teenagers not him. Watch the full video.

I couldnt imagine how guilty i would feel if i aent my son into a situation that resulted him getting stabbed.

@Missglam67

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree that would be devastating. So I wouldn’t send my son into would could be a potentially dangerous situation. Frankly, I have seen similar situations like this but thankfully nobody died or was seriously injured and it’s hard to say what I would have done but I know I would ever send my sons to get in the mix.

Like most of us, Mr. Carlson puts too much faith in his ability to discern people's state-of-mind at a glance. The only people who were proved to have high blood-alcohol levels were the ones who were stabbed. Its a shame the women in his group didn't have the de-escalation skills he says his sons have; this whole predicament would have been avoided.

@beverlysettle8235

2 ай бұрын

How do you know this? He was provoking the group of teens before anyone else arrived…he could have stabbed them! What a ridiculous thing to say.

@mentalhealth9256

2 ай бұрын

Having high levels of alcohol in your blood does not make you a candidate for being assaulted, disembowelled or killed. It's amazing how all the people that comment about people drinking alcohol all of a sudden become judge and jury. In the same way fools state '"that woman shouldn't have dressed like that she was asking for it!" Get a grip and look at ALL the factors before making judgement 😔

@bonnenaturel6688

2 ай бұрын

@@mentalhealth9256 and the teens shoving him down in the water, slapping him, wrapping hands around his neck was peaceful??

Dude told his sons to go into what he already thought was a dangerous situation that needed deescalated. Wow

@leedavis3704

2 ай бұрын

His sons are grown men who work in a bar and. Work with drunk people, they work in the dads bar with drunk people, they know how to deal with-escalate a drunk person obnoxious behavior!

@stugrant01

2 ай бұрын

@@leedavis3704 You forgot that his two sons were also drunk, and that they were real good at escalating situations.

@melissacoxen6001

2 ай бұрын

Did you hear the testimony. He said that the guy appeared drunk and his kids worked in a bar they owned and they de-escalate situations in a bar. De-escalation isn't always only physical. You can de-escalate an animated discussion. It's not always referring to physical violence, or danger. They didn't know the guy had a weapon or was anything other than just a drunk guy mouthing off, and acting stupid.

@stugrant01

2 ай бұрын

@@melissacoxen6001 Actually, the father originally told the police that he had told his sons to go protect the old man from the raging mob, but when the young men's drunken girlfriends went also, they escalated the situation, as did Miu, and then the two drunken sons of the bartender jumped in as well to escalate even more, followed by Miu escalating even more. You might call that deescalation, but those of us that are sober call it escalation.

@dukenukembubblegum7311

2 ай бұрын

@@sophiesnuffy2563obviously he’s going to say that though, I mean it’s his sons, not only is he trying not to get them in trouble, but also make them sound heroic. A parent as a witness is never going to be completely credible for family preservation sake

It's a great warning to think before getting involved with a fight.

@modernisto

2 ай бұрын

It’s wants a fight until Nicolai decided to punch a woman and then proceeded to go on a stabathon.

@Herr2Cents

2 ай бұрын

​@modernisto There were no sane,thoughtful people involved from what I could see. Only an escalation of aggression that led to an unfortunate situation. I've seen this on the streets and with road rage. Just think if everyone just chilled out and backed away never to see each other for the rest of their lives. De-escalate a situation if you can.

@reneap9049

2 ай бұрын

True, our friend jumped in to help a woman in an altercation with another woman in a parking lot and got shot in the neck. He’s now paralyzed from the neck down. Stay out of others drama.

@angiejorah

2 ай бұрын

@@modernisto No credible evidence he punched a woman. You can see in the video the women in his face yelling at him.

@angiejorah

2 ай бұрын

And that is all the men needed to attack Mui. For nothing. Mui only defended himself. Not Guilty.

Sadly I looked like those kids were all bullying that man. The adults were rude to him as well- I saw them pushing him and even a slap to his face. HOW MUCH ALCOHOL were the teens and adults drinking???

@jackieagnor162

2 ай бұрын

He ran up on the teenagers,he's guilty, he killed a child and injured 4 others. Did you not watch the video?

@HeidiHarriman-cr5nz

2 ай бұрын

Video started by the drunk teens calling him a pedo..

@AafkeKastelijn

2 ай бұрын

@@HeidiHarriman-cr5nz The man came up to them blaming them for stealing his phone. That's why he came up to the tubing and grabbing at one of the boys. The boys were confused in the beginning and asking what he was doing. After that yeah they started rallying up and saying he was a pedo after pushing or grabbing at one of the girls. He also punched one of the girls and stabbed her, the others still didn't realise he had a knife, only after seeing one of the boys being disembowelled they realised something was really wrong here. The boys from the other group were only trying to push him down and telling him to leave, trying to stop the ruffle that was going on. Isaac, the boy who got killed was one of them telling him to leave. So yeah, it may just look like they were only pushing him and calling him pedo. But he came up to them first claiming they took his phone..

@Shadow-zc9hd

2 ай бұрын

@@jackieagnor162did you not watch the video ??? Just because someone uses words doesn’t mean you can assault them. Those kids got what was coming.

@freetoplayaccount3487

2 ай бұрын

@@Shadow-zc9hdthat would be defamatory remark. No kids deserve to be stab. I do agree that this man was provoked and they assaulted him

My sons are good at deescalating situations. His sons deescalating the situation by punching people.

@cascade00

2 ай бұрын

Doubt it but you sure think you can fool people by acting like a tough competitive person

@rockstarofredondo

2 ай бұрын

@@cascade00wut😂

@user-dx8wy1zs5p

2 ай бұрын

Dad is goofy

@lisadavis9535

2 ай бұрын

In my opinion, dad was covering his butt and the butts of his kids. I don't believe him.

@modernisto

2 ай бұрын

Well what would you do if a man punched your sister or girlfriend? Give him a stern tongue lashing? Get real.

All of you need to calm down. People can comment and have a sane discussion without being rude.

@EBeverly-gv4ln

2 ай бұрын

Have you been paying attention to the devolution of discourse that has happened over the last decade or so? No, most people can’t do it without being rude 😂

@princessbuttercup5928

2 ай бұрын

@@EBeverly-gv4lnTruly. It’s rare to see civil discussion almost anywhere. People feel emboldened to be as rude as possible in many instances

@gingerfeliciano9531

2 ай бұрын

It's nice to see civilized people still existed. What are we down to 12% now? Maybe less?

@tigerlilygirl2643

2 ай бұрын

​@@EBeverly-gv4lnThis disgusting behavior by grown adults directly correlates with a certain someone taking power. A person whose only accomplishment was giving people permission to hate, disrespect, mock, treat others poorly and become violent toward others who are different and/or don't agree with them.

@paladro

2 ай бұрын

did you just ask people to be reasonable in yt comments?

Which of his kids are good at de-escalation?

@gillianharper-ward7877

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@cortneyrens

2 ай бұрын

Lol, was thinking the same thing, the evidence stated otherwise

@TheOtherBoleynGirl336

2 ай бұрын

The linebacker daughter or the greasy little son wearing his dad’s jacket?

@HockeyandHeels

2 ай бұрын

What is wrong with people commenting? The tried to help, this guy is a psychopath who was drunk and crazy and had a big aggressive knife while floating down the river- nobody could’ve stopped a crazed person like him.

@Grammichal

2 ай бұрын

@@HockeyandHeels Big aggressive knife? A pocket knife.

Very Strange Dad!! I would take my son and go the opposite way. You don't run to drama!! At very least put some distance between you and Situation.. Personal I leave..

My gosh this trial has the absolute dumbest group of witnesses ever

@Pasta32162

2 ай бұрын

Dumb and horrible at lying as well

@Julie86Mac

2 ай бұрын

🎯

@arikabrochu1710

2 ай бұрын

Well everyone who knows anything about "tubing" knows, it a floating, drinking, partying all day in the sun thing...What could go wrong??

@unitedwestand5100

2 ай бұрын

It just seems that way because they're all exposed as lying. They're not dumb, they're dishonest.. Including this so called father.

@JuanSchwartz

2 ай бұрын

​@@arikabrochu1710hmmm? I love tubing, and I don't drink whatsoever. Presumptuous much?

I like this guy not letting the defense create a false picture of his group.

@leahbrehm2657

2 ай бұрын

That's my brother in law...he doesn't let ppl walk all over him...he's an amazing guy with a heart of gold!

@lace1245

2 ай бұрын

@@leahbrehm2657his eyes and tone speak volumes about his character. Seems like a really great person, even through a screen. Glad he’s ok.

@dudemorris7769

2 ай бұрын

@@leahbrehm2657wow, so he sent a woman & young boys over to stop a fight? What a great man he is! NOT! He wasn’t drinking at all but he sent inebriated people to fend off a man. The group that started the issue weren’t ever calling for them to come over. He made that up 100%! At 20 minutes in he repeats over and over that HE sent over his sons and female to keep the old man from being beat down yet his sons and female start the altercation!

@dudemorris7769

2 ай бұрын

@@lace1245ok from what?? He didn’t get involved. He sent his another woman and two young boys to not get involved & his wife gets into the man’s face & started the entire fight. Every thing he said was found to be contradictory in his statements. He admitted to the police that he thought the old man was going to get beaten up by the group of kids. He was saying that the group was yelling for them to come help, which also never happened. I believe this witness absolutely was drinking or drugging that day as every thing he said was either all lies or wrong. Claiming the old man was drunk due to the way he was walking, lol. This man here claiming that he can’t walk well at 50, wasn’t drinking that day, sends over his two boys and a woman to keep the old man from being beat up & the woman pushed him & gets slapped.

@SweetPoison-dx2mu

2 ай бұрын

@@dudemorris7769Quinton has medical problems. His sons are in their 20’s. They own a bar and grew up in the bar! Dante and Tony are used too handling drunks peacefully. Quinton just lost his wife also! Dont speak on people unless you know 100%!

If you watch several of these interviews and get the overall general picture of what happened. Dude was loaded, played the tough guy and went over to the kids and just happned to have a knife in his swim suit, wouldn't leave it alaone, things got physical and he took it waaaaaaay to far - stabbing to kill - he was going after the women too - were the the teen girls a lethal force level threat. He has a right to a defence but after hours of this he comes off as so petty - breaking down micro details of what people said and remembered as they were looking at their buddy with his guts falling out. Take a step back and think about how absurd this guys behavoir was - and he was the adult. His defense was that he was outnumbered and his life was threatened yet HE approached them with a knife - doesn't sound like a scared guy to me - sounds like a whack job. Maybe I'm just a Canadian and we don't have stand your ground laws but I would lock this guy away big time.

@dangelochuang5445

2 ай бұрын

Stop giving teens the reason they can get drunk and also act out is just because they’re teens and adults are suppose to what not defend themselves? They were smacking this man constantly pushing him as he was trying to leave but kept provoking him. They wanted to play and didn’t realize they live in a real world

@bladesmith5927

2 ай бұрын

He did not approach them with a knife. The knife was in his pocket. The ladder implies brandishing of the knife. As for the stand your ground part would you blame a child rape victim for standing her ground and fighting her rapist.

@brendenpetersen234

2 ай бұрын

he left and came back, most likely the knife then people thinking he wanted to pop their tubes as hes walking around them weird and he escalated when taunted.@@bladesmith5927

@wisdomsleuth77777

2 ай бұрын

​@@bladesmith5927I don't know if I'd go there with the child victim standing her ground. I mean let's get real the guy went over to the group of kids with a knife in his pocket and obviously had no problem pulling it out and using it. If he was scared for his life his friends were right there he could have gone back to them

@chrisofficer4292

2 ай бұрын

@@bladesmith5927 Of course not - you can use deadly force when their is immenent threat you your life - it is a question of circumstance. He knew he had a knife on him and he did in fact brandish it then immediately used it. He appraoched them, walked away then came back and approached them again, blocked the teenage group from moving on down the stream, threw the first punch at a teenage girl no less, then when they relatiates he stabbed up several people including young girls. I can't think of all the opportunities this guy had to the adult. Bottom line, if he was was truly affraid he wouldn't have gone back to approach them - he knew had had a weapon and was clearly more than ready to use it on anyone near him. I don't think he will get out of this - nor should he. The bar in some US states for what constitutes an imminent threat to your life is pretty low - ie if a guy comes into your home you can shoot first and ask questions later. You can defend your propety in Canada but the law doesn't allow you to dish out punishment and is going to ask if there was anything you could have done to get to safety without using lethal force. in this case it was a easy as walking away and not comming back to contront them knowing he had a deadly weapon on him. When he goes back angry with a knife and punches someone the chances of things going back from there are 110%. Dude is a whack job and is going to have to sit in a cell and think about his decisions for a long time - an so he should. You can;t have a safe society with people behaving like this - whether the kids called him a name or not.

Crazy, crazy situation. I've gone back and forth, but honestly after seeing the entire video of that black kid instigating the entire thing and then running away, screaming and making sure his face was on screen so he could post it for clout while his friends died, I'd say he's the one that belongs under the jail. Guess he was just doing it for the culture, so it's fine.

@LaurensSecretAdmirer

2 ай бұрын

Yes. Very "vibrant culture".

@marierosario2773

2 ай бұрын

@@LaurensSecretAdmirerwhat do you call what that man did?

@LaurensSecretAdmirer

2 ай бұрын

@@marierosario2773 self defense against a group

@luffyduffy7817

2 ай бұрын

you wouldn't start screaming if someone started stabbing people?

@leemarc8943

2 ай бұрын

Their stage is tiktok. Their crime is fame!

Replying to Scott smith I absolutely agree with. I did the same thing with my 19 yr. old daughter and her boyfriend. Young kids/adults now days seem to have no fear no respect and think they are steel proof. I’m not sure how u feel but I do not feel that the elder man is at fault! I wish a young man did not lose his life basically because it escalated because of people that had NO CLUE of what was going on decided to go over and put their 2 cents in. UT’S JUST HORRIBLE!!! I do not find the man guilty I do think it was self-defense. That’s my feelings. But I do think some other charges need to be brought on to some of the people that decided to violately hit this man. And also for the under age drinking and the lying. The way people act now days and having 12-13 of them around u doing what they were doing I would have to defend myself also. How ever I could!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE MOMS AND DADS EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT THUS TRIAL AND TO RESPECT OTHERS!

I don’t understand how this man sent his people to “save” the guy from being beaten up and instead they get into his face and holler “Get the F out”? 🤔

@badinfluence3814

2 ай бұрын

Because he's full of shit.

@rcbrown22

2 ай бұрын

Good question !

@marie-michelleanderson2851

2 ай бұрын

He sent them to defuse the situation perhaps initially but it was as he said his boys were good at defusing fights.

@rockstarofredondo

2 ай бұрын

@@marie-michelleanderson2851his sons are clearly not good at deescalation at all. This toothless alcoholic family caused this entire thing.

@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS999

2 ай бұрын

It would be hysterical if it wasn’t so tragic that he sent them to de escalate and they (at least Dante & AJ) ESCALATED! Makes me wonder if Tony was actually sent to de escalate Dante. I would imagine that hand grenade has got form.

They were trying to document their drinking? Really, guy? That is the dumbest question. No... They were just having fun and took a photo 😮😂

@denisehoose5162

2 ай бұрын

Hes def stretching 😂

@timoree2800

2 ай бұрын

am thinking as i listen to this that it is no small wonder that people don’t want to get involved and have attorneys attack you like this. And how about asked and answered!

@2009cochinos

2 ай бұрын

Ridiculous, if we are at event and pics are taken who hides their drinks . Or days wait let me grab my martini 🍸 to show I'm drinking tonight

@toriarose

2 ай бұрын

Being drunk is stupid, especially in public. It makes people do stupid things, poor judgment. It destroys brain cells. That ain't fun. Again, it's stupid. Remember this case (and like a zillion others) for future reference.

@emilylitchko9414

2 ай бұрын

Not sure what this lawyer is going for. Whether this guy remembers it correctly or not. An old ass dude stabbed multiple unarmed teenagers. You can’t just go around stabbing multiple people.

this guy seems to remember a lot of things that he doesn't remember

@zechsells27

2 ай бұрын

like every witness. Just so happen they don’t remember anything that’s damaging to prosecution

@ravivandersalm4586

2 ай бұрын

I mean he had the most traumatic experience of his life right after. Off course that fucks with your memory

He sent his boys... His sons to descalate the situation!? Ugh.

@janetkean4702

2 ай бұрын

They are ADULTS with experience running a BAR & breaking up DRUNKEN FIGHTING

@kat4animals004

2 ай бұрын

@@janetkean4702 yeah, the adults stayed the tubes. Haha

Objection: alcohol was being consumed by all parties involved. The defense seems to be focused on it weird he doesn’t say anything about his client,as in not weird at all.

@ev25zv

2 ай бұрын

If his client was drinking, he was of legal age to do so.

@KimberlyBishh

2 ай бұрын

I don't know if he had alcohol in his system or not but his lawyer sure didn't say.

@michaelmolish1151

2 ай бұрын

The guy with the blade is a murderer. The teens were killed. I don't see shared responsibility You do?... Weird

@MrMooCow199

2 ай бұрын

Mr. Mui was 54 years old, and of age do drink. The kids were underaged, with a blood alcohol level of 0.22 for the dead one....4x the legal driving limit. Plus they admitted to smoking marijuana. One of the kids, Dante Carlson, was 17, drinking with his father on the river. When they approached the incident, Dante's stupid father SENT his drunken son into the fray, resulting in Dante attacking Mr. Mui.

@snasapilot44

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelmolish1151 well, if those "teens" were not intoxicated to the point they felt that it was a good idea to mock, insults, hit and push a 60 years old man's head under water while they were beating him 10 to 1, none if this would have happenend. Also, the kid empaled himself on the blade because as soon as the man tried to get up, as they were about to beat him again. They fucked around and find out.

I’ve watched the video over and over and it’s so hard to see when the stabbing actually happened. You see the old guy go down and by the time he gets back up everyone is just slashed open. Crazy

@KrysGrant-ey1xl

2 ай бұрын

😮😮😮😮

@TheDkb427

2 ай бұрын

Most physical encounters happen in a few seconds plus these ppl were all drunk and delayed reaction time didn't help but after the girl was hit and he got back up he was stabbing ppl

@YaYaPaBla

2 ай бұрын

I saw on the video when the old guy got the knife out of his pocket.

@LaPlaztique

2 ай бұрын

It happened really quickly. Those who were stabbed didn’t realize it immediately. With the exception of the guy whose heart was slashed up and passed away, along with the guy who got stabbed across his belly with his intestines that fell out. What a horror this was! I couldn’t imagine the scene of this.

@TheDkb427

2 ай бұрын

@@LaPlaztique the video when dude gets up and tries walking to the shore is absolutely terrifying!!!! No wonder the killer dudes group didn't talk afterwards huh

Following such trauma to the abdomen, it will be left opened at the surface, internal stitching will be utilized. The abdomen will swell so much you can’t bring the skin together &/or the surgeons will need to go back in to do further exploration. With these wounds the healing is done from the inside to outside and takes weeks. As a nurse I’ve taken care of patients with this. As a patient I went thru it, doing (wet to dry) twice per dressing changes for 8 weeks. This young man is going to be living with gut issues the rest of his life. He’s got my prayers and support.

@innocentbystander8038

2 ай бұрын

It that young man wasn't a being bully it would never have happened

@mrx2586

Ай бұрын

​@innocentbystander8038 Actually it would have happened if he was not being a bully. We know this because he was not being a bully and it still happened.

That girl had nothing wrong with her face but she was the one stomping up the hill loudly swearing and I quote “ I was punched in the f ing face for f sake “ victim? This started with her and there are quite a few lying about this on ALL sides!

@katshades

2 ай бұрын

There is video

@angiejorah

2 ай бұрын

Then she didn't want to be on video in her testimony in court because she was lying.

@headron66

2 ай бұрын

There are no pictures of her face and this witness went to lunch with the girls family after the fact. He’s a lousy witness and not helping the prosecution ( which he is intending to try to help) at all because he comes over bias! Defence made mincemeat of him!! He sent his sons over to help the guy and when it all went up in the air he changed his story to suit the ‘victims’ narrative! Still begs the question ‘ how much is too much force?’ Which leaves me in a quandary! But tell the truth folks, don’t spin yarns when you are horrified ( like most of us) at the outcome. What to do?🤷‍♀️

@gregj831

2 ай бұрын

I agree! It was the girl 'Madison Coen' who sought to escalate the situation and she did.

@traceyhellsten649

2 ай бұрын

Is she the one with the loud irritating voice??

What does it matter left or right she got struck by his hand and that same hand that stabbed 4 others and killed a 17 yr old boy while drunk

@justaguy-69

2 ай бұрын

he blocked her slap, watch the video again

@deadmanswife3625

2 ай бұрын

​@JhonnyCash-mo2wxhe was drinking adult beverages so he was an adult if not then he was complicit in the tragedy and should have gotten the death penalty anyway the old guy was not drunk the police didn't even suspect him of being drunk

@galaxyvictoriano9999

2 ай бұрын

the defense is focusing on which hand he hit her with because they are trying to assert that he never actually hit her. some of the witnesses said he hit her with his right hand, and some said he hit her with an open hand. in the video, he's already holding the knife in his right hand by the time the punch took place (the punch was not caught on camera), so theyre trying to say that it isnt possible for the punch to have taken place. the defense is trying to prove that the boys lied about him hitting a woman in order to incite a violent mob to attack him. defense attorneys are supposed to be zealous advocates. so while these nit-picky, disingenuous arguments might seem annoying to onlookers, they are just doing their job. society needs them, they serve an important function.

@Yahweh42069

2 ай бұрын

@@galaxyvictoriano9999 it's very obvious from the video they were lying about him hitting the girl to incite things

@galaxyvictoriano9999

2 ай бұрын

@@Yahweh42069 well, if thats your opinion then i guess the defense is doing a good job. i dont personally believe that to be the case. these two groups didnt even know each other. its very far fetched that the boys would yell that 'he hit a girl,' and that the girl in question would then decide in the moment to pretend she had been hit when she didnt even know them. the level of collusion required doesnt make sense given that these people had never met before. but youre entitled to your interpretation of the evidence. as far as how "obvious" it is, mileage may vary.

What a tragedy, all so avoidable.

for the record, I think we have some pretty solid evidence that your boys are NOT “good at de escalating fights”.

The youth attacked first, provoked and cut the man off so he couldn't get back to his group. He had every reason to fear for his life

@rcbrown22

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 💯

@mrbungle589

2 ай бұрын

50+ years old you're gonna run up on some drunk kids grab at their tubes that were Heckling you and expect to walk away unscathed? You've never been on the Apple River

@killinqz

2 ай бұрын

No lol they told him to leave multiple times and he just didn’t want to leave. He had his knife ready while they were telling him to leave.

Old dude shoulda walked back to his group. Instead of pulling a knine he came back twice

@jeanniep1003

2 ай бұрын

I know his wife testified that he usually clips his knife in his pant pocket, but that leads me to question where he had it stored for tubing and swimming? Did he have pockets in his swim trunks and, if yes, was it clipped in the pocket during his first interaction with the teenage boys? Or, did he walk away from their heckling & calling him a pedophile, to go back to his group to get his knife and return? This scenario is the only one that I can make sense of the first degree charge; I find it difficult to digest premeditation in the total span this incident took place, 3 minutes.

@greatunz67

2 ай бұрын

The punks were surrounding him on three sides and pushing him into the water and punching him while all screaming and cackling like crazed banshees, put yourself in that situation, not that easy to just walk away..

@kelseyshoenight668

2 ай бұрын

You guys create the most delusional "solutions" in the face of human instinct and common sense

@lottoo5693

2 ай бұрын

@@greatunz67 why did he came back with a knife ?

@jeanniep1003

2 ай бұрын

@@greatunz67 he walked away once from the heckling teens but returned and was confronted by intoxicated young adults. And this is when you can see him with the knife in his hand.

This is sad. Not once till his wife testified did anyone say that Miu was drinking. All or 99% of all were drinking. They were all out to have a good time. This defense lawyer is so annoying

@archiesmum8601

2 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the wife said they had video from when they stopped to eat & drink. Was that video shown?

@citizenoftheearth6

2 ай бұрын

why do you need alcohol to have a good time? THAT IS THE PROBLEM !

@mariee.5912

2 ай бұрын

He is not judging tem for drinking. He is questioning their capabilities to remember or decision making.

@mba2ceo

2 ай бұрын

@@mariee.5912 NO He want to bias the JURY. My opinion

@terryellis7692

2 ай бұрын

He wants the jury to know that alcohol played a role..... because clearly it did. Alcohol RUINED my family and ruins countless other families and lives. Not many good things come from alcohol EVER. booze is garbage and makes most not all individuals act like dumasses. Me included at one point. I literally dont talk to 99% of my family because of alcohol and abuse. Again.... alcohol ruins lives, because it impairs your decision making and bodily functions. Not opinion. Facts. Plus on top of that it was underage drinking. These kids very well might of acted differently if they were not i toxicated. Actually most like they would have. ​@mba2ceo

I got my head phones on and let me tell you, Mr. Carlson is the walking stereotype of "Dad noises".

@graedot

2 ай бұрын

I'm not really all that vested in the story - that's my excuse for laughing too hard at this comment.

@Croymedic

2 ай бұрын

He's a stereotype of either CHF or COPD. Possibly both.

@shannonjane7373

2 ай бұрын

Totally. Horrible grunts and gasps, ugh. I'm 50 and I don't make these noises. I'm not obese though either.

@LLS710

2 ай бұрын

It's called being f*t.

@elainecoe4853

2 ай бұрын

I came to the comments to see if I was overly sensitive.

Lesson: What responsible fathers tell their offspring to go get into an altercation?

@marykernaghan3331

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely my feelings exactly - keep your own family out of it.

@Klm49

2 ай бұрын

Did you even listen??? The kids Miu attacked were calling for help, this father says his sons are good at deescalating things, so he suggested they go over to help. AND the son testified that he went over asking what was going on and trying to calm things down.

@bonjoviland

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@brandim9872

2 ай бұрын

@@Klm49I agree people don’t actually understand what they are talking about

@Seasheasells

2 ай бұрын

There are good and decent people with good intentions. People that are willing to help people that seem to be in trouble

I can't believe the defense attorney is asking a hypothetical question and glad the judge sustained it. Facts only please!

@TylerFrey-qf8zg

2 ай бұрын

Yet, you people are foolish enough to believe the father as a witness to self defense lmao

@sweetfaith2011

2 ай бұрын

@@TylerFrey-qf8zg Did I say that? 🙄

@TylerFrey-qf8zg

2 ай бұрын

@@sweetfaith2011 no, that's the point lol

@sweetfaith2011

2 ай бұрын

@@TylerFrey-qf8zg What's the point and why are you laughing?

@sweetfaith2011

2 ай бұрын

@@TylerFrey-qf8zg What's the point and why are you laughing?

Why would you send your own kids into a situation that had already escalated (by your own words) and that involved a man you thought was drunk? Wouldn't it make more sense to call the police, let the guy know that's what you did, and video what happened? Why send your kids into a dangerous situation?

This guy's story did not make sense to me. The defence lawyer did a great job of highlighting all his discrepancies.

@selfesteem3447

2 ай бұрын

And bar owner sweaterman, ha ha is just squirming.

@ellybean5868

2 ай бұрын

It is somewhat hard to take a comment seriously when you can't even spell the word defense

@jyhina

2 ай бұрын

​​@@ellybean5868I suppose that nobody from England which the language is named after knows how to spell defence. While we are at it we might as well call out the entirety of the UK, the Irish, Australians, Canadians, people from India and the African continent.

@ravivandersalm4586

2 ай бұрын

What discrepanties? I noticed basically 0

So many people saw this happening and no one helped the man out

@NotFalling4it

2 ай бұрын

No, because he was the aggressor and instigator.

@Klm49

2 ай бұрын

Ha! No honey, no one helped out the creepy guy who was menacing a group of young people. Because the people who needed help were the young people who he ended up stabbing a bunch of!! He was the dangerous fool who attacked them!! Just because he says they attacked him doesn't mean it's true.

@silasreynolds9286

2 ай бұрын

@@Klm49 I'm sorry I thought someone who got stabbed was trying to help him but that many people that saw it you would think they would have helped

@ryanwhitaker4444

2 ай бұрын

Possibly because he was out of line and acting aggressive, antagonizing a group of teenagers and then stabbing them with a knife. Poor guy.

@trevorthompson330

2 ай бұрын

@@NotFalling4it@NotFalling4it The kids escalated in the video, which is self-evident.

A knife is a knife!! Words are words!! Injury and death caused by use of a knife! Lives changed forever.

@phoenixmerridian9119

2 ай бұрын

What ever happened to "Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" as a de-escalation mantra ANd they say women are emotional and overly sensitive...guys be poppin' off over the smallest perceived slight and since everyone seems to be getting drunk all the time since Covid, it's been so much worse

@Karaunicorn

2 ай бұрын

​@jessicaparks9495No. They were bullys! He defended himself. He was outnumbered and in ill health and felt threatened.

@danielberndt1481

2 ай бұрын

Didn’t they strike him?

@gloomgirl

2 ай бұрын

@@Karaunicornthey were KIDS-he’s a grown ass man who went looking for trouble-you think he was AFRAID for his life? He deserves to ROT IN PRISON! Disgusting

@Charmander009

2 ай бұрын

@@phoenixmerridian9119the female that got in his face is the cause of all this as usual . She got in his face . he punched her. Then the boys attacked him and he stabbed them.

This lawyer is obnoxious!

@kimthreadgold2755

2 ай бұрын

I disagree. He knows all facts and has reviewed the video. He is being professional. He keeps catching witnesses in lies. His job is to keep his client out of jail.

@deanfronheiser6005

2 ай бұрын

He to me is great lawyer

@deepsoultarot8272

2 ай бұрын

The defense attorney repeats the same questions over & over and won't stop even after the witness answers!! Annoying as f*CK!! Most likely because there really isn't much to present to help with this client in trying to show any innocence or self defense since he really has no leg to stand on .

@deepsoultarot8272

2 ай бұрын

​@@kimthreadgold2755Good luck with THAT!!😂The defense is TRYING...but....yeah, keep trying!! 😂😂😂

@jez3dg20

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely, he was asking many incredibly idiotic questions.

I think the video and trial shows a viable argument for self defense

@Rocketman0407

2 ай бұрын

I do as well considering the guy had incredible poor health. He was very weak and his cardio was very bad due to major heart Surgery not too long ago.

@ericachennault4149

2 ай бұрын

Why the hell did he approach them in an aggressive manner in the very beginning then?? Looking for a phone in murky water yea ok no, then standing around like a weirdo while being told to leave..then he hits a woman while holding a weapon..this guy is crazy..yeah the young crowd was yelling but he could have left or umm not even walked up in first place..then lied about it all!!!

@Nope-ep5ky

2 ай бұрын

@@ericachennault4149calm down lol all the exclamation points 😂

@racheloso3484

2 ай бұрын

​@@ericachennault4149don't worry when explain what they don't want to hear, it's calm down loool

@racheloso3484

2 ай бұрын

​@@Rocketman0407he had surgery several years prior. I'm sure it's his heart surgery why he carries a very sharp knife in case he has to operate on himself in the future

Great articulation skills form this witness . Bravo for not allowing the lawyer to bully you into twisting your words !

@nillyk5671

Ай бұрын

Huh? Did we watch different videos?

Who claims self defense then chooses to hide the weapon then leaves the scene fully knowing he had to stab multiple people to defend himself. Even better he then lies to the police about what happened claiming the teenagers had knifes and he then with his kung-fu skills took a knife away from one of the teens to defend himself, he lied to the police make the claim of self defense, who does that but someone who is guilty.

@Emerica.

2 ай бұрын

Your mom

@M.TTT.

2 ай бұрын

@@Emerica.

@captpain1

2 ай бұрын

@Emerica. nice person you are, I'm sure your parents are proud. My mother passed away from cancer. Thanks for being ignorant I guarantee if you were standing in front of me you wouldn't say " your mom" cause you be busy picking up your teeth, smart mouth .

@nyoodmono4681

Ай бұрын

You do not understand. It is not binary between guilty or not guilty, but the question what sentence is fair at this very complicated situation between murder, panic, affect, manslaughter and self defence.

@captpain1

Ай бұрын

@nyoodmono4681 The jury had video and testimony, which was lengthy . It appears the fact of trying to conceal the weapon and lying to the police continually is what his own doing. After the incident, he chose to act in a manner that goes against the claim of self-defense.

When defense attorneys keep repeating and stating the same thing over and over in a tone like this, they 100% lose me. Someone should do a study on this, because it's extremely off-putting, regardless of whether their client is guilty or innocent. I randomly found this video and have no idea about this case, this is just my reaction to the attorney, I thoroughly dislike him and that's never a good thing if you are trying to win a case.

@FLo-jc7ig

2 ай бұрын

I'd like to know what this case is about also!???🤔🤔🤔

@virginia2949

2 ай бұрын

They may be irritating you but they are very successful attorneys. And that is their job - to be successful.

@sonjarutkowsky4140

2 ай бұрын

Yes so do i 😂​@FLo-jc7ig

@VegasLady81

2 ай бұрын

The defense attorney is trying to purposely have someone slip up so they can win their case. They ask the same questions over and over, but in different context each time, because they want the prosecutor's witnesses to slip up so they can "rest their case". It's a stupid tactic, but all lawyers do it.

@tianawashington8869

2 ай бұрын

The attorney is trying to see if he will answer the same and or discredit his testimony.😊

20:43 “I was worried that they were gonna gang up on him.” There you have a case for legal self defense.

@Music4EverKanekavi

2 ай бұрын

She absolutely punched a girl which created a physical altercation. The murderer was the guy to start the first physical altercation. Do you wish that statement alone meant self-defense?

@Music4EverKanekavi

2 ай бұрын

Either way, I appreciate your time stamping

@mr.martyr8573

2 ай бұрын

That's not how any of that works.

@6468May

2 ай бұрын

How is that a case for self defense

@bobbyraejohnson

2 ай бұрын

@@Music4EverKanekavino they were up in his face I would be pissed too if people were yelling at me trying to tell me what to do. People have a right to stand their ground.

“I sent my 2 sons over to de-escalate the situation.” “What happened next?” “Five People were stabbed.”

This guy owns a bar, he works the bar, his kids work the bar..so he’s seen a lot of escalations, it’s to bad his group only added to the escalation..he told his two boys to go help, but the two girls jumped out in front..so you have to wonder who was drunker!!

@benfrese3573

2 ай бұрын

The defendant wasn't drunk it seems, police reports say that too

Everyone’s behavior was awful that day. The guy with the knife was pushed down in the water up to his neck and assaulted. I would have been afraid they would have tried to drown me if I was him. I understand self defense for the defense side . I just don’t know how I would vote if I was in the jury. The video was shocking to watch.

@paulaheckman9928

2 ай бұрын

I'd find him NOT GUILTY! The defense totally destroyed all witness 😊

@basicallyno1722

2 ай бұрын

He was pushed ONLY after he punched the woman in the face who was telling him to go away. He took the knife out while the women were yelling at him, right before punching one of them. That’s why he was able to stab the kid so fast, because he already had it out. The dude was unhinged, probably because he was drunk

@westwindwoman6191

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, I feel they would have killed that man if he hadn't protected himself and they would of gotten away with it because of the numbers against him.

@YaYaPaBla

2 ай бұрын

@@westwindwoman6191I doubt that, they were upset because he wouldn’t leave them alone and then he punch a girl. That old sucker instigated this, he was aggressive and drunk. If he had gone on and left them alone none of this would have happened!

@clipsyoucantshowyourmother

2 ай бұрын

@@basicallyno1722you know what would be great? If that was in the video and you could prove it. But it isn’t, and you can’t. So you’re wrong. Deal with it.

He also called the adults "kids"! At what point do these people become accountable adults?

@Pericameron

2 ай бұрын

I think when men who are 50+ call them kids it’s because they are quite literally half their age if not less than half their age. I look at my sister and her friends who are 20/21 as kids still. Yes they’re adults legally but you know there is a difference between looking at/ interacting with a 50 year old man and a 20 something year old dumbass

@RetroFocus

2 ай бұрын

what age is someone considered an adult?

@michaelarenas9185

2 ай бұрын

Most older people generally call people in their 20s kids . It's pretty common lol

@michelemccowan5924

2 ай бұрын

@@RetroFocus As a parent, most refer to them as "kids" throughout their lives well into their forties. It's all relative. A fully developed human being is considered an adult, but my sister was a grandmother at the age of forty and our mother still called her a "kid". This man's sons were older, but he still calls them kids. It's all relative, but in this case they want to make the teens seem too young to be held accountable. They could be parents already themselves.

@briannatarelli430

2 ай бұрын

They are kids when it is favorable for their narrative. Also, they are adults when it is favorable for their narrative.

Father of the year. Out with underage drunken sons and their friends who attack a 60yr old man for looking for his phone on a public river. Then he lies through his teeth trying to send a innocent man to prison for life.

@mascara7757

2 ай бұрын

you guys are delusional claiming every witness is lying. any man who attempts to murder 5 teens over some shouting and a few pushes is a psychopath.

Between the black guy antagonizing and the father of Donte’ and Tony sending his daughter and boys to get involved. They all came back with an ass whooping from a late 50 or 60 year old man. And it’s the old man’s fault. Now remember, the old man had this group of 13+ people blocking his path back towards his friends.

how NOT to be a father, put your young sons into a complete strangers argument...

@user-jb8ts6hk9w

2 ай бұрын

I would have called 911 but the father was trying to teach his boys how not to be a bystander and do something to help.

@ifckdurdad

2 ай бұрын

And your comment demonstrates how NOT to be a decent human being.

@dobnerk

2 ай бұрын

The boys had experience deescalating situations involving drinking and their father had confidence in them. Shame on you for being the kind of person who has, with like minded people, collectively turned this world into an ugly place. Image what the world would be like if everyone was the opposite of you. Unfortunately, we can only image.

@cascade00

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-jb8ts6hk9wbullshit you wouldn't have dialed 911 like a pansy without knowing what the Romanian was doing near them

@clarissa-xd9iu

2 ай бұрын

@@toconnor6811 No they didn't

What issues did you have on the other river.

@JohnSmith-bw9wu

2 ай бұрын

His boys tried to de escalate another fight😂😂😂

@mattbrown9484

2 ай бұрын

A bunch of drunken rednecks and their drunken kids.

They will never get a first degree murder conviction. The prosecution should've gone for a lesser charge.

@SusieQ1971

2 ай бұрын

Don't they give the jury the option for lesser charges? A lot of times if they are iffy on being able to prove a charge they give lesser charges as options.

@pedrofan34

2 ай бұрын

Exactly… 2nd degree murder is for certain situations in Wisconsin. One of which includes “Unnecessary defensive force - The defendant genuinely believed they or another person was in imminent danger of death or serious physical injury and that the force they used was necessary to defend whoever was endangered, but the belief of danger or the force being necessary was not reasonable.” I think this fits here MUCH better than 1st degree. The defendent could have thought he was acting in self defense and all the prosecution would have had to prove was the self defense was unreasonable. Eg he stabbed 5 people, killing one, and the defendent suffered no major injuries. That’s really tough to argue against

@schlomoshekelstein908

2 ай бұрын

that wouldn't be hard to argue against. it was like 7v1 and they kept shoving him into the water lmfao, he was on his KNEES when guy got stabbed, and it wasn't even really a stab, the dumbass leapt on the knife and impaled himself. are you forgetting there's VIDEO of what happened?@@pedrofan34

@jeanniep1003

2 ай бұрын

I thought so too at first until the testimony that he returned to his group, but went back and that’s when he was confronted by Maddison and hit/punched/slapped her…that wasn’t self-defense. The moment he decided to go back upstream is the moment this became a first degree case. That said, Miu’s attorneys also represented Kyle Rittenhouse’s self-defense case successfully so who knows how this will turn out.

@schlomoshekelstein908

2 ай бұрын

wasnt on video, and the witnesses can't get their story straight. nobody told the cops he hit a woman, it wasn't until 2 years later when theyre in court@@jeanniep1003

I went from having no opinions on this witness. To absolutely despising him in the span of minutes Bout 16 minutes in Mr excuse and expert on ppl he doesn't know

@Sisflowflow

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

Why are we worried about what he saw and heard when he was far away? They have video of what happened. They surrounded him and was yelling at him. Then one one the boys punched him and the others attacked also. At that point he has every right to defend himself against a mob of people. The poor girl that was stabbed was an accident. He didn't even look at her. He was swinging wildly. This was a horrible encounter that was instigated by the teen boys. Not guilty

@DavePryor302

2 ай бұрын

Nope he struck the girl first off camera. I’ve watched the incident in slow motion many times. He stabbed the second guy just because he was near him. He was not attacking dude . After he stabs him the kid pushed and grabbed his throat After he stood up he stabbed the girl in her side while her back was to him walking away from him.

@megmoe43

2 ай бұрын

So you're going to skip the part where defendant checks his pocket for knife and then charges at group on tubes. Defendant puts hands on at least one of them. You call a psychopath stabbing people who never touched him an "accident"? The defendant instigated this knowing full well he had a knife and was obviously willing to use it. They have video of this also.

@zombieburner0

2 ай бұрын

Because the video doesn't catch everything

@vigtime7816

2 ай бұрын

NOT GUILTY!!!!!

A father sees teenagers calling for help, so he sends his teenagers to investigate. One gets stabbed. This guy wants someone to blame, because he sent his kid over and he got stabbed. He said before he sent his kids, he knew it wasn't going to end well.

@RoyDurett

2 ай бұрын

if they had minded their own business his sons wouldnt have been involved.

@user-iu3ln7dm3h

2 ай бұрын

@@RoyDurett agree, plus I haven't seen testimony from any the teens that they were calling for help. maybe I missed it.

@Judsxn

2 ай бұрын

@@user-iu3ln7dm3hIve watched hours of this and from what everyone has said and everything I’ve picked apart. That guy is definitely going to prison. He had 2 chances to walk away. Only one person hit him and they hit him because he punched one of the young lady’s. He stabbed 5 people and one of them died. One of the victims whole stomach was sliced open intestines hanging out and all. He stabbed a female that didn’t have anything to do with the altercation as well.

@marthienel2190

2 ай бұрын

Nonsense. A bunch of teenagers called for help. THE FATHER SENT HIS YOUNG ADULT SONS TO HELP AND DE-ESCALATE, because they own a bar and were used to de-escalate tension.

@user-iu3ln7dm3h

2 ай бұрын

@@Judsxn I never mentioned anything about guilty or not. I was saying that I didn't recall hearing the teens ask for help. did you hear any of them asking for help?

Dude's going to jail for the rest of his life because his drunken, bruised ego caused him to hit a woman and stab a teenager to death. That defense attorney buried himself and his client when he tried to put words into the witness's mouth about how the girl was holding her face.

@coffeecake1803

2 ай бұрын

They over charged him - he was like a caged cat!

@missychelle33

2 ай бұрын

@@coffeecake1803you don’t bring a knife to the river ffs, and you don’t bring a knife to a fist fight. They were also teenagers vs a grown ass man. Clear your head

@English1530PepperPie

2 ай бұрын

The kids are a bunch of idiots, antagonizing the man, he felt threatened.

@aquafina6544

2 ай бұрын

That part!

@kathismith7441

2 ай бұрын

@@missychelle33lol

I have been cross examined in Crown Court.No matter how honest you are and truthfully you answer what is thrown at you (in my case very), you can still come away wondering if you are lying !! Its horrendous 😮One of the worst things i have ever experienced,God help you if you are lying on the stand!!

If this guy is such a good judge of who is drunk and who isn't, why didn't he tell the court how intoxicated his sons were? You know the ones that went over there to "de-escalate" the situation and in fact made it worse with one of the sons striking Nicolae and after that he started stabbing anyone that came near him.

@brandywineblue

2 ай бұрын

After his daughter or one of the friends got in his face screaming expletives about a situation she had no clue about

@dg5175

2 ай бұрын

So Dante did hit Mui?

@Mixmastermonk80

2 ай бұрын

After Mui had charged the boys & then punched a girl in the face. He threw the first fists. Before that, it was a words being thrown around. HE left the scene & decided to return.

@kroanosm617

27 күн бұрын

Stop lying. The murderer ran up on those kids and shoved a women in her face. That's why they started pushing him. Nicolae went looking for trouble and hoping to use his knife on these kids. Stabbing a petite girl in the process.

Sticks and stones. Learned it in primary school. 🙄.

@stugrant01

2 ай бұрын

Yelling false allegations for the purpose of inciting a lynch-mob is not just "sticks-and-stones".

@tracycottrell5146

2 ай бұрын

Also play stupid games Win stupid prizes and also don't buy kids alcohol. Especially when they're too stoned to be drinking it. And don't call people names what are they all running for president?

@tracycottrell5146

2 ай бұрын

It's a good thing this guy put a limit on the amount of alcohol the kids could drink. But I think the law already put the amount at zero

@michaelh878

2 ай бұрын

​@@tracycottrell5146This guys kids were over 21. The teenagers were not known to them.

@Boyitellyouhwhat

2 ай бұрын

What about when a mob surrounds you, punches you, pushes you down, and tries to strangle you? You have a very immature view of life bud.

I’m sorry defense attorney bud but wasn’t your own client consuming alcohol? All this emphasis on alcohol consumption with the kids and adults on the state’s side as if it makes the witness accounts improper just draws more attention to his client and inadvertently can suggest that his version can’t be right either going by those rules. And you’re assuming that the jury never drinks alcohol or understands what it’s like to be able to drink for fun and still be able to remember what you did while also being coherent or to recognize when someone is drunk. This line of questioning witness after witness would get tiring to me if I was on the jury.

@farmgirlrebel1333

2 ай бұрын

I think that is what the defense is going with...everyone was intoxicated and this isn't a first degree murder, because there were bad actors on both sides and all participants were intoxicated. I think this guy might walk because the prosecution is going for a 1st dgr charge and I'm not sure they are meeting the requirements as being premeditated. I personally think they should have gone with a lesser charge of 2nd dgr. There is a real chance this guy can walk because the prosecution overshot

@livea3596

2 ай бұрын

It boils down to credibility. Nik had 2 beers and his ex wife came across as credible; conversely, Quinton's group were drinking, Madison appears in one holding a drink and presents as obnoxious and adversarial. Quinton was passing judgement from a poor vantage point that makes his account unlikely and he has motive to give an embellished account because his kids were involved in escalating the situation despite his intent to deescalate.

@farmgirlrebel1333

2 ай бұрын

@@livea3596 Good points

@vigtime7816

2 ай бұрын

@@livea3596 Excellent words!!!

@hhunstad2011

2 ай бұрын

​@@livea3596 I thought the ex- wife's testimony was neutral at best for the defense. Perhaps even detrimental. She reported she had witnessed he had a temper when he drank, and it came out that he blames her and their group for not dying anything.

He came upon the situation in the middle of it and so he's only seeing how Miu reacted

@therealdeal3672

2 ай бұрын

No, he saw Miu going towards them aggressively. He said charging them. Obviously Miu did not have to be doing that he should have stayed the hell away from the kids. That's why I think he's guilty of murder.

@2genders-tk2ue

2 ай бұрын

​@@therealdeal3672didn't the kids approach him and started harassing him.....

@speaklife7119

2 ай бұрын

They were sitting in their tube and the stabbing guy was the one standing and blocking. It is f obvious who acted out of rage in anger!!!

@therealdeal3672

2 ай бұрын

​@@2genders-tk2ueno. He approached them. They just verbally taunted him. But he's a big boy and he could have walked away. Instead he aggressively advanced towards the kids who were just hanging out on their inner tubes together

@romanz9342

2 ай бұрын

@@therealdeal3672 was he trying to push their heads under water ?

Sometimes the old adage, “Don’t get involved…” is the best advice.

What a liar... polygraph this guy and charge him with supplying alcohol to minors.

He’s gonna go down for evading the cops with “ I heard someone got stabbed and I fit the description “. Instead of “ I had to defend myself against a group of rowdy kids”.

@stansmith7819

2 ай бұрын

And “did they get injured by fighting each other” with imaginary knives.

@marie-michelleanderson2851

2 ай бұрын

Rowdy doesn't and should not equate with slashing, punching and disemboweling a young man!

@dqniel1755

2 ай бұрын

He's going to go down for quite literally doing the things he's accused of doing (stabbing 5 people and killing 1 of them). They repeatedly told him to go away. Instead of doing that, he got a knife, came back, and escalated the confrontation. It's not self defense if you APPROACH the group as they're telling you to go away.

@BamaFan4life

2 ай бұрын

​@@dqniel1755 he didn't go get a knife, he had it in he's pocket.

@dqniel1755

2 ай бұрын

@@BamaFan4life OK. Either way he had a knife and aggressively approached the group, was told to leave repeatedly, started to leave, but then came back instead. All while armed. Why not just walk away?

This guy is macho aggressive enough to wildly stab 5 people but not to just run outta there? Everyone supporting this guys action is crazy.

@Mechulus

2 ай бұрын

Haha you are crazy. Thanks for the laughs. 50+ year old recovering from quadruple bypass surgery and crappy sandals outrun a whole pack of aggressive people half his age surrounding him? Yeah man maybe he could use the Naruto run technique. Good thinking my dude.

@MikeJones-kb3pu

2 ай бұрын

@@Mechulus He ran over there in the first place. He was just drunk and wanted revenge.

@xstoofpeer

2 ай бұрын

​@@Mechulus How does them saying ''leave us alone'' indicate that they would want to chase him?

@Mechulus

2 ай бұрын

@@xstoofpeer IDK maybe the punching him while he's down and pushing him down into the water was my first clue. Having seen more of the evidence though, he was behaving odd. Those "kids" and the Karens instigated a lot of it, but he should have warned them to back off and displayed that knife more prominently. Its weird no one saw the knife and he had it out for awhile before striking. Its all messed up. I'm way more conflicted on this now than I initially felt. I'm not glad anyone's dead. Its a painful lesson for all involved to not mix alcohol and mob mentality.

@xstoofpeer

2 ай бұрын

@@Mechulus Prior to being slapped and pushed into the water he had already assaulted a girl, according to the eye witnesses. He also invaded their space first and grabbed someones leg and made them get off the rafts, the kids then told him to leave already which he refused to do and instead acted very suspicious and just weird enough to creep out everyone. The people defending him seem to expect a group of drunk 17 year olds to behave more mature than a 54 year old with a deadly weapon.

They're good at deescalating situations. You mean when Maddie was really calm telling him to get the f**k out.

@josephjohnson3738

2 ай бұрын

Words should never cause a person to go on a stabbing spree.

@harrywong6865

2 ай бұрын

He was talking about the sons. Women never make the situations calmer

@georgezee5173

2 ай бұрын

@@josephjohnson3738 And they didn't. He didn't stab anybody UNTIL they started to knock him down, punch him in the face...

@diane4537

2 ай бұрын

She has a face ........well you know.

If it was purely self defense why did he say, "What's going on? I heard someone got stabbed, that met my description". And the group he so willingly stabbed was defending against something inappropriate he did. So when they are defending someone against him, he defended himself by stabbing everyone and killing a 17 year old boy??? Only to act like, he had no clue saying, whats going on? I heard someone got stabbed that fits my description. You can't do something that causes people to defend against you and then claim self-defense because of them defending against you. He didn't warn anyone with, "I got a knife, stay back" in fact, nobody even knew he had one. To clearly go for the kill, even on a young lady is unacceptable. Just waving the knife would have stopped people in there tracks, but he obviously had more motivations than just defending himself. Leathal force is an absolute last resort, yet he made it his first.

@michaelh878

2 ай бұрын

Just because you thin you acted in self defense doesn't necessarily mean you think others will believe you.

I don’t know why anyone would want to watch this multiple times, or recommend people to watch this multiple times. Once is enough, glean what you can, and pass the morale of this story to your children.

12:57. The it was said Miu charged the teenager. Then the attorney said “you use the word charge. Where there’s a video on it we get to decide.” Sure, Mr Attorney, the jury gets to decide whether or not the word “charge” applies to the manner that Mr Miu approached the teens. However, the reason this witness is on the stand is so he can state what he witnessed. He is stating that he witnessed Mr Miu approach the teens in a manner that this witness would characterize as charging. If you are watching the Olympics and the event you are watching is the 100-yard dash you wouldn’t say “I saw the athletes approach the finish line in a manner I would call running”. You would say “I saw the athletes run towards the finish line” because that is what you _saw_. A witness is on the witness stand to say what they witnessed. This witness is doing a good job of responding to this attorney’s questions, despite it all.

I was hooked as soon as the witness said “I know what you’re trying to do” to the first question… he got that defense attorney acting like a petty punk

@graedot

2 ай бұрын

Really? He seemed like a jerk and hostile witness.

@corralescoyote3360

2 ай бұрын

@@graedot Yeah. He acted like a jerk, probably because the guy who stabbed five people was going to blame the victims for getting stabbed. Which is precisely what is happening.

@graedot

2 ай бұрын

@@corralescoyote3360 Yeah, because it's not as easy as "he killed them for no reason."

@corralescoyote3360

2 ай бұрын

@@graedot Oh, so there’s a good reason for Mr Smiley face to stab five people instead of leaving where he wasn’t wanted. Got it.

@georgezee5173

2 ай бұрын

@@graedot Quite hostile. I'm actually surprised the judge didn't intervene in some of the witness' unsolicited observations. In my country, at least, a witness is not allowed to talk outside what they've been specifically asked. They may get away the first time, but as soon as the judge sees it;s happening a second time, they get a warning and are reminded why they're there and how it works.

In my opinion, this comes down to the rule of law. Intoxicated teenagers calling Miu a pedophile and heckling him is not against the law. This guy did in fact touch one of the teenagers first, THIS was his first interaction with them and since it was odd, the boys started heckling him. It’s obvious Miu is as intoxicated, more so than the boys. I also think the women from the other party getting in his face took the incident to the next level. They didn’t need to get involved, I thought they acted like “Karens” (I don’t like this name, but they involved themselves into something that was none of their business was. During Mius altercation with the women, the video shows him holding the knife BEFORE he punched anyone so he was ready and I think that’s why this is first degree. Miu punching the woman is against the law, it’s assault and stabbing the men defending the women by going after him.

@rights_are_god_given

2 ай бұрын

It's as if you believe no interactions occurred before the video started. 😂

@SNG23

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@ellenhawkins128

2 ай бұрын

Calling him, “p*dophil*” is slander, not just name-calling. It’s an escalation of the situation.

@bobthetitanic

2 ай бұрын

Inciting violence for isn't a problem for you?

@jeanniep1003

2 ай бұрын

@@bobthetitanic who incited violence other than Miu?

Dumb move by this guy to tell ppl, drunk ppl, to get involved in a situation that had nothing to do them. He didn't help to deescalate he did the exact opposite.

@ylekiote99999

2 ай бұрын

Almost got his son killed.

@nillyk5671

Ай бұрын

Exactly, Mr. Miu could have thought that more drunk teenagers were coming to attack him.

It’s crazy to me how many older people in comments about how teens were mocking the defendant but those football players were acting like Friday night lights . Which I don’t agree but no doubt have engaged in same behavior.American football but doesn’t warrant killing one and injuring many others. The defense is a snake trying to twist words.

Why would the cops not need the photo of the girl that got punched?

@liljoe31

2 ай бұрын

Likely never happened. Glasses fell off her head and the prosecutors are saying he punched her. All the kids that were in the mob used that same excuse

@Otis5115

2 ай бұрын

@@liljoe31so you were there and saw it’s lil happen?

@WJ1333

2 ай бұрын

Because she didn’t hit just pushed

@karlpetzing525

2 ай бұрын

The officer said in court that he didn't see any mark on her face and would have taken a picture if he saw evidence of one.

@yolandawilson6619

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!

What is wrong with this guy? Is he a co-conspirator? The Moral of the story is don't have an alcoholic testify. He's about to be charged with perjury. He has zero credibility.

Ok….this guy is lieing…..he is lieing because his son is the one who punched mr Mui three times in the face knocking him into the water over and over

The only person i see in the video stumbling, bumping into floats and dropping stuff acting drunk in the video is the creep who spilled teens guts without hesitation. Sick!!!

@macubaxx87

2 ай бұрын

Self defense all the way.

@nillyk5671

Ай бұрын

Exactly, he was stumbling because he is older and was being pushed around.

Sometimes there are consequences for bullies

@LadyIarConnacht

2 ай бұрын

Bullies usually go up and start crap, don't get stopped and loomed over, and their phones grabbed, and told by some drunk guy that he's looking for little girls. Bullies my arse.

Ever been attacked by 5 people? You just keep falling down , its hard to tell what going on or if you will be ok Ive been attacked by 3 people and it was serious business, i fought for my life, was only ok bc someone stopped and helped me ,

Kudos to this witness for not agreeing with the lawyers description of the events. He was certainly not intimidated by the pointy-head attorney!

@ready_2_rise

2 ай бұрын

💯

@colinmuld5452

2 ай бұрын

Lol are you nuts

Good point. No way she got punched and still was holding her drink

@lr8607

2 ай бұрын

Her sunglasses got knocked off. There's no question he struck her; witnesses saw him do it and the video shows her glasses on her head and then next they are off.

@raveneye12

2 ай бұрын

Even if he knocked her glasses off that does not justify a beat down . She was also in his face screaming and provoking him. All these teens were drunk and dumb.

@inflikktion

2 ай бұрын

@@raveneye12 and nothing I saw justified a frenzied stabbing spree. Dude is a danger to himself and others. Goddamned lead-addled boomers.

@hearmenow909

2 ай бұрын

@@raveneye12 Maddie wasn't a teen, the teens were part of the all boys group on the tubes. He struck her in the face, it doesn't matter which was he did it, he had a knife in the other hand when he struck her, and Dante from Maddie's group then punched him in retaliation. He gave him a slap for good measure as he fell back into the water, and then he backed off because he obviously didn't want to hit him properly whilst on the ground. He provoked the punch that knocked him down. knocking him down after Maddie being struck equated to self defence as you're allowed to defend someone else in that scenario, especially a weaker female. From there he just went psycho with the knife.

@raveneye12

2 ай бұрын

@@hearmenow909 interesting how you ignore her threatening and pushing him first. Or her lies about the photos?

Had this defendant not run from the scene But rang the police instead & stating he'd been surrounded by teen calling me bad names & if got out of hand & I defended myself he might have stood a better chance on the self defence theory. but he fled the scene.

@missmochiicecream

2 ай бұрын

THANK YOU

@LynetteA68

2 ай бұрын

Or he could’ve NOT walked up on the teens he was SO scared of & started grabbing them and their tubes!! A man who’s afraid of that group also would’ve hit women in front of the ppl he claims to be afraid of!! I don’t know anyone who carries a knife in their pocket while swimming in the river!! Dudes fee fees were hurt he had a bruised ego he was mad and decided to k*ll ppl because of it!!! Minute he put that knife in his pocket I’m betting he was looking for & planning this exact situation!!!

@kathismith7441

2 ай бұрын

And lied about having a knife

@kathismith7441

2 ай бұрын

@@LynetteA68exactly

@Hideyourdad2

2 ай бұрын

@@LynetteA68speak on it

The jury got this one wrong!!! Waaay wrong.

Everyone is in the wrong here. The kids for harrassing the man. The man for not walking back to his group in the beginning and then slashing and killing people. He then left the scene and lied. He also ditched the weapon. As a grown man you should have the common sense to just leave before it got to that point and find his group in case he needed help. The kids should be charged with assault and at least underage drinking. There have been many times as a teen that another group started with us and we left the situation because we knew it was just gonna end bad. As a grown man starting to argue with drunk teens is just stupid. Regardless you can not slash 5 people and kill. He had wvery opportunity to leave knowing the teens were not gonna stop. Someone should have also told the teens to carry on as well. When he left and tried to get to his truck then lied he screwed himself.