Alcohol is the root of so many bad situations.

@lisaadrienne9852

Ай бұрын

You ain’t lying… Hot summer day with alcohol.. bound to find some excitement, in this case someone was killed because of bad judgment.. he was angry he was being teased by some “Dopey drunk loud mouth young people…” He could have just walked away.. he was no better than them… He was tipsy too.. he doesn’t look scared knowing he’s grabbing his knife out of his pocket… 😢

@leaharchambault5796

Ай бұрын

@lisaadrienne9852 Agree, 💯- this is well said

@user-dt4nw3gk5j

Ай бұрын

I don't drink but I think people are the problem not alcohol 🤔

@forpetessake3532

Ай бұрын

that’s why it’s called SPIRITS - it weakens , spirits enter the body

@forpetessake3532

Ай бұрын

@@user-dt4nw3gk5joh …. ITS BOTH ……

Watching this case, I’m so proud of myself for being 9 months sober of drinking 🎉

@lindahostek3372

Ай бұрын

I am proud of YOU, stay Strong!!❤❤

@hearmenow909

Ай бұрын

They weren't alcoholics.

@briannatarelli430

Ай бұрын

Everyone only had two beers though.

@Winston-hw8wb

Ай бұрын

Stay strong👌👌 I've been drinking A lot, crashed, hospitals.. quitted smoking joints 5 years clean! Being drunk&stoned..now seems sooo f@king boring. Cheers from europe

@sobeit1166

Ай бұрын

@@lindahostek3372Me too!

This case has solidified for me that I will not be around drinking and drugs, and I will not offer help in a crowd of people. I will stay sober, stay around sober people, and mind my own business.

@coll4455

Ай бұрын

Good take away from this.

@thinkbeforyouvote

Ай бұрын

I'm old and haven't drank since my teen years 110% because I wasn't a particularly good drinker and never really met anyone who was.

@thekromealexander5402

Ай бұрын

Yep! Me too

@NasdaqSniper_

Ай бұрын

Perfect comment.

@andy31793

Ай бұрын

Not offer help in a crowd of people. Why?

Groups + alcohol= trouble

@dkg249

Ай бұрын

💯💯

@noklarok

Ай бұрын

over 9000

@sierrannomad

Ай бұрын

Not necessarily, have drinks with my friends all the time, Purim is a holiday my whole city gets drinking, 2500 years tradition. No st-bbings.

@bcriggs6962

Ай бұрын

no way i drank heavily with tons of people for 20 years. This guy disembowelled 4 people in 4 seconds. He is a crazy Russian with KGB knife skills for a guy who's is 5'7 and 248 pounds.

@nickc8819

Ай бұрын

@@sierrannomad Culture plays a big part on this , you can't deny there are "certain" groups.

See? It’s unrealistic to expect people to recall what they stated while drunk from two years ago.

All drinkers say they aren’t drunk after 6 beers.

@taramay8174

Ай бұрын

Yeh I'm shocked. Everyone was drinking

@sirluisray1974

Ай бұрын

It's wisconsin....😂😂😂 People love drinking up there.That's their national pastime.

@HairyButWhole

Ай бұрын

Tbh it depends on person and what do you mean being drunk. You would not lose control of yourself, ability to reason or memory, but after 2-3 beer you are losing you reaction speed.For me I consider being drunk you lose control of yourself, ability to reason and partial loss of memory and that starts to happen after +10 beers.

@scottbaxendale323

Ай бұрын

@@sirluisray1974 ….as if it isn’t everywhere else.

@scottbaxendale323

Ай бұрын

@@HairyButWhole Use that logic on a judge and see if they drop the DUI charges…..lol.

Be kind to strangers people.

@crocodile2006

Ай бұрын

And don't "lose" your knife in the middle of a crime scene

@eclipsegfxable

Ай бұрын

@@pattymelt-go3fv Keep coping lmao. Next time don't F with old fellas then cry when they defend themselves.

@Sesca026

Ай бұрын

@@pattymelt-go3fvYou lost me at “he said he was “looking for little girls.” The Prosecutor already conceded that he did not say that.

@pattymelt-go3fv

Ай бұрын

@@Sesca026 You're right I hadn't seen that part when I wrote the comment. Why were the boys calling him "predator" and "raper"? Because he touched one of their legs?. I'm glad I'm not on the jury. The whole thing is awful and tragic.

@rainbows9060

Ай бұрын

​@@pattymelt-go3fvsomeone speculated that he could have said "I'm looking for my goggles" it's possible,but im sure he had them on his person when he is supposed to have said that.talk about recolections may vary.

The problem is, and I’ve been in a similar situation, that your “perception” of the event right after is very dependent on your fight or flight. Meaning you are so keyed up that you may perceive more people or more danger than was actually there. Later, when you are calm and not afraid/keyed up, you can look back on the incident for what it actually was and realize you may have overreacted. So what these people said at first vs what actually happened and they are saying now can vary greatly due to clear heads.

@simonfisher836

Ай бұрын

That's why the lawyers love grabbing statements they made right after and comparing to what they are saying now.

@myaccount5204

Ай бұрын

By the time they testify, they have had more time to make up a good story (lie). That’s the reason the cops make people give statements directly after

@bunch_o_racket

Ай бұрын

yes! that's why, after traumatic situations, psychologists wait a day or two before interviewing children. i don't know why cops don't do that same thing with adults, because it's true for both.

@markmack2746

Ай бұрын

This is true. Our memories seem to fill in the blanks with what we want sometimes

@SashiCat96

Ай бұрын

I agree. I don't give any credibility to a seriously traumatized, nearly died, hopped up on drugs after his first major surgery victim. Those situations your brain is loopy as hell, you're hallucinating, dreaming weird stuff, it's a full on mix of real & total fantasy which you don't sort out until much later when you're off the meds & the shock has worn off.

A little off topic: Why do people keep calling miu old? he’s only 54. He’s nowhere near old.

@caroldaronch1974

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@ohokayofficial

Ай бұрын

@@caroldaronch1974I bet it’s a streamer’s chat spamming KZread comments just to troll They literally referred to him as a *senior citizen*

@JohnMoran

Ай бұрын

He had double bypass surgery. I'm 58, I'm sure not the same age as 17-24 year olds.

@monabonejakon2797

Ай бұрын

They want him to fit their boomer narrative.

@maewebster9377

Ай бұрын

it’s all relative. to teenagers 54 is old. to an 89 year, 54 is young

This is why I refuse to be around drunk people. They are unpredictable and things can turn violent quickly.

@csaracho2009

23 күн бұрын

So you don't go to parties, weddings, games, stadiums, celebrations?

It's amazing how wherever there is alcohol, there are problems

I don't get why they keep asking about this guys knife repeatedly. He wasn't the one who did the stabbing right?

@Laura-te1sk

Ай бұрын

.??????

@connormunro8282

Ай бұрын

It is in the report probably, and I believe the defendant mentioned that he saw 2 people with knives in the crowd surrounding him. He said he took a knife from 1 of them (which is a proven lie or we at least don't see it on the video), I also do not believe they Mui's knife, but they found his missing knife. I think this may go to the fact he felt threatened or to the fact that Mui was not the only one with a knife drawn, or his feeling he needed to take out his knife to defend himself.

@debsea2759

Ай бұрын

Showing that he was on high alert with knife in hand, cause he felt threatened by the same group as well. Memory better right after event than it is now. Even said they were talking shit to him. Thank God statements are recorded. If he doesn’t remember it’s cause he was drunker than he admits.

@elhuddleston17

Ай бұрын

Showing others men carry knives.

@elhuddleston17

Ай бұрын

Didn't even knew guy was there.

You don’t remember every action you take in a situation like that

@kathleen460

Ай бұрын

He was drunk in a scary Situation and it's already been almost 2 years

@user-up5cs9kk4g

Ай бұрын

This guy didn't really see or remember ANYTHING. What he told the police in his same day statement versus over a year later on the stand has a lot more weight.

@FlipNasty1

Ай бұрын

Especially drunk-ish and nearly blind

@TheBeezusjones

Ай бұрын

He was drunk

@justicedenyd

Ай бұрын

​@@user-up5cs9kk4gNot necessarily. When these kids gave statements at the scene or the hospital, they were likely still intoxicated and definitely in a state of extreme shock and grief! They were traumatized. Not all of them saw everything that occurred and each person has different perceptions and memories of the same incident. That is absolutely normal.

Almost all of these adults drink and yet people are surprised about the teens drinking?

@peggyjohnson9223

Ай бұрын

Yeah right, "Monkey see, Monkey do"

@nathanfoss2838

Ай бұрын

Exactly. And why are people surprised that drunk teens make very bad decisions?

@maileevyne5000

Ай бұрын

It's the law 😂 jk. Like it's so normal to start drinking at 18. 15 under is too young though...😬

@Dknight2818

Ай бұрын

Yeah most people floating down a river are drinking...

@user-up5cs9kk4g

Ай бұрын

Adults drinking and teens drinking AND smoking weed is not only different, but all of the victims broke multiple laws by drinking underage and smoking weed.

Does anybody not drink in that part of the country? And who only has 2-4 beers on a whole day of tubing? I call bullshit!!!!

@MW97058

Ай бұрын

He actually testified to drinking 6 beers.

@lovepet4565

Ай бұрын

Lol I grew up in Midwest Shaker hts Ohio Its the long cold winters And fun summers Tons of alcoholics

@mariepascale6921

Ай бұрын

And does not have a spanich name.

@lindacoats5347

Ай бұрын

He said he had 6 beers and was "buzzed".

@masterBong1

Ай бұрын

it’s unusual to have drinks while out on vacation?

Bunch of drunk people on a river with blades on them. What could go wrong?

@hearmenow909

Ай бұрын

Only nick had a blade

@ralphkramden2089

Ай бұрын

Nothing did for the 40 years I tubed this river. Tied the inner tubes of our group together before we got in the water, cut the twine off of the tubes when the float was finished. Thus enabling each individual to carry their tube back to the rental place, or campsite. THAT is WHY we brought knives! No big mystery here, people.

@myblacklab7

Ай бұрын

@@ralphkramden2089 This case has tons of comments that are left by people who obviously don't know anything about the area, tubing, the trial, etc., so thanks for sharing your experience.

I would like to see the officers recording of Robertos Baldazo interview.

@user-up5cs9kk4g

Ай бұрын

Right! The same day statement sure makes it sound like he was a little threatened as well when he found the snorkel. Very interesting.

@MiMi-tj5zf

Ай бұрын

You better believe if I came upon a scene of a mob of people in chaos with some apparently hurt I would have any weapon near ready as I assessed the situation. Common sense. Especially with your family.

@user-hc9lp3hb1r

Ай бұрын

@@user-up5cs9kk4g Like he said, why would he feel threatened standing next to a police officer?

@hoidoei941

Ай бұрын

@@MiMi-tj5zf Something todays snowflakes in the comments don’t understand. These scumbag kids found out the hard way. Fun was immediately over when they got reality checked.

@leaharchambault5796

Ай бұрын

“ I would have any weapon near ready as I assessed the situation. Common sense. Especially with your family.” Just so you know, statistically, having any weapon; gun, knife etc. you are far more likely to have the weapon taken from you and used against you. Americans have trouble understanding this, having a weapon does not make you safer.

See…another guy who carries a knife.

@Meowser186

Ай бұрын

Amazing 2 out of 50? By the way a pocket knife is not the kind of knife your friend was stabbing people with. His butcher knife was also razor shard to split a gut open. Mum's knife was not a Boy Scout knife used to whittle willows for the campfire. .

@piitii8141

Ай бұрын

@@Meowser186 it was a foldable knife His friend testified he had asked the guy to bring it to help cut rope

@philthecook001

Ай бұрын

​@@Meowser186dude that was most definitely a pocket folding knife. Butcher knife? Wtf?

@PsychedelicArchaea

Ай бұрын

@@philthecook001 these people are delusional. It was a pretty standard pocket knife. Oh and this just in, knives are sharp. Who knew.

@RobiePezzos

Ай бұрын

@@Meowser186bruh stop you’re going over the limit. I carry a utility knife are you gonna wet your pants?

He was buzzed, but he could still walk and talk and stuff. A drunk always minimizes their alcohol usage.

@knIfebOmb769

Ай бұрын

What does this even mean? People that are buzzed can’t walk? or even talk? What exactly do you think buzzed means?

@peterplful6342

Ай бұрын

​@@knIfebOmb769it means some people (usually regular drinkers) consider drunk=unconcious, heavily impaired, instead of the normal equivalent drunk=inebriated. It's not a question of ability wheter you can walk and talk, or drive, it's the fact the your levels of alcohol have reached a noticeable effect on you ( that you yourself can notice) dude himself said he was buzzed alchol had an effecr on him he self addmitely noticed. But people tend to downplay it saying they are not drunk because they consider drunk=shitfaced, stumbling around wheter that is because the usual portrayal of someone drunk in media is that of someone heavily, comically inebriated or their own bias is another story.

I’ve never seen a trial with so many people lying or changing their statements this is so crazy

@erinjordan6972

Ай бұрын

Right? But let’s keep enabling them…and G forbid anyone should get charged for clearly UNDERAGE drinking!

@brennengodeen3796

Ай бұрын

Agreed but the start of the trial date is 1.5 years following the incident so I can understand why their memories and recollections are distorted or inaccurate from original statements. I think the courts should prioritize and triage cases while being cognizant of the degree charges and starting to trial as close to the event date as soon as possible. I can also understand why someone would have a distorted memory during a high stress or traumatic event. I cannot typically recall what I had for dinner last week the exact date the meal was made. I don’t know but is there any reason why this trial started this long after the events occurred? I appreciate any insight provided and I predict that evidence collection, recovery from injuries and obtaining legal counsel contribute to the answer. I would also think that the general court schedule and availability of resources and appropriate staff would effect this as well. Most businesses, manufacturers and etc. are short staffed and hiring so I anticipate that as well. Thank you in advance for your input.

@kathymurray-lu7tc

Ай бұрын

It's human, and we are cruel selfish, mean calculating, deceitful, malicious, cunning, hateful, and a slew of other unflattering adjectives.... Jesus died because he knew we would at some point in our lives display and act out human characteristics... Let's support and elevate one another, in Jesus name...

@dirtyfrench2926

Ай бұрын

​@@erinjordan6972Right, the one kid's bar owner dad admitted on the stand he tried to 'limit the amount' of alcohol the teens brought.

@trailrunner925

Ай бұрын

Well, the thing is, ALL memory is "reconstructive"...... it's not like our brains are camera's that record perfectly. And a year and a half later, with all the publicity, interviews, etc.... that gets encoded into memory also.... so during recall, it's impossible to keep all of those pieces discreet, independent recalls.

Remind me to stay away from this river, sounds like EVERYBODY is drinking and smoking weed.

@fredvp

Ай бұрын

With knives….

@mollypaintscows

Ай бұрын

That’s been going on for decades. My 45 yr old daughter floated down this river in the 90’s. It wasn’t quite as extreme as it is now, as far as the drinking and smoking goes. Times have changed.

@JessicaMillerG

Ай бұрын

It definitely has a reputation as a party river. We moved to the area in the 90s and my parents took my brothers and me that first summer. I was 8 years old. We witnessed beer bongs, women flashing their breasts as we floated by, and a drunken brawl. No surprise my parents never took us again.

@angelaricottawarriorrose9917

Ай бұрын

Sounds more like a swamp!

@Donna-vh5ym

Ай бұрын

​@fredvp // Unfortunately, this is everywhere, not just Apple River.

If the defendent was in texas, this would not have even gone to court, the guy was standing his ground, he was confronted by a gang of drunk teenagers calling him a pedo, and pushing him around and then a 2nd group get involved, English is not his 1st language, 1 minute he's looking for a friend's lost phone, the next he's being harrased from every side by strangers, saying he's out to find "little girls" If the weapon he pulled was a pistol they would of left him alone immediately, but they didn't see the blade and treated him like a toy for their drunken amusement, I'm extremely sorry that someone, and especially a young person lost his life, but the poor guy was in a situation where he had little to no choice but to defend himself. The 1st time I saw the video I thought it was a clear case of 2nd degree, but having seen it in the context of the situation, it's self defence all day long.

@kangajack2

Ай бұрын

Amen

@KatrinaDancer

Ай бұрын

Didn't he run at the teenagers 1st though and not only grab their tunes but also their legs?! If it didn't start like that I would agree with you but he touched them 1st.

@mattralenkotter2370

Ай бұрын

Hey guess what. You were wrong.

@mrx2586

Ай бұрын

Wrong on all counts.

"I wasn't drunk. I was fairly drinking" 😂 right after 6 beers is fairly drinking.

@candykane4271

Ай бұрын

In Wisconsin….its pretty normal.

@1gunsalute101

Ай бұрын

depends. If he was all there all day (6 hours) then he would hardly have any alcohol in his system

So I know everyone is saying people are lying, but in a traumatic situation that is also chaotic, memories can change in your mind. Some of the ancillary details become more fuzzy, and you also can be influenced by what someone else says about what happened. So yes some of these people are lying, but some may just not be sure exactly what happened.

@kylejo96

Ай бұрын

Or..it's called we go to jail if we tell them we started it

@lindacoats5347

Ай бұрын

Add into that the speed at which everything escalated, and that people were arriving on scene at different moments during the situation...it was chaos. People saw only parts of what was happening and can only remember their part of it.

@kylejo96

Ай бұрын

If they don't know what happened..they aren't credible witnesses......

@theghostofrethsich2813

Ай бұрын

@@kylejo96exactly it went from we knew he was looking for a phone to little girls just to make a scene

@lindacoats5347

Ай бұрын

@@kylejo96 They are only witnesses to what they saw. That doesn't make them bad witnesses. You can't expect every witness to see every little thing going on in such a chaotic scene.

They’re asking these witnesses questions about statements they made 2 years ago after a drunken, traumatic day on a River. Then they wonder why they don’t remember. Lmao! 🤣

@TeddyBear-ii4yc

Ай бұрын

They usually give you your statement here to refresh your memory. Specially if it was a long time ago. (UK) It avoids you looking shifty giving evidence! 🙂

Omg this lawyer is putting everyone to sleep

@Clarice-rp7mh

Ай бұрын

This is how court works. This is not a movie.

Some of you have never floated the river and it shows. 😂

@honeybadger1847

Ай бұрын

I’ve never floated that particular river, but I floated and kayaked the Truckee in northern Nevada for decades. Stopped when the drunks became unmanageable.

@rockstarofredondo

Ай бұрын

Would not be proud to participate in this obviously alcoholic activity.

@ImJamieX

Ай бұрын

I have :) nothing to fear on ours except drowning. roughly 100ft wide and 6-8ft deep in most places, no way anyone gonna rush on me or start shit haha

@colinemler2356

Ай бұрын

@@rockstarofredondobelieve it or not chillin in a tube and having a few brews dosent make you an alcoholic

@jennifermarie3158

Ай бұрын

@@rockstarofredondo Sounds like you live a lame life

What was the point of trying to make him out like a knife attacker? He clearly has nothing to do with it. I hate lawyers.

@mpersand

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I was very confused about that.

@9sheri9

Ай бұрын

Agreed. Prosecution speech & arguments are at a proficiency of a high school intern, & defense is grimey, below the belt & amateur. Not a good look for WI.

@theghostofrethsich2813

Ай бұрын

The questions were to prove people carried knives on the river and Mr Mui is not some let’s get armed for society type guy

@LauraSobkiewicz

Ай бұрын

I agree with you

@RANGERS.FC.

Ай бұрын

@@9sheri9 what are you watching? this lawyer has been smart and cunning are you educated in common sense

To me being on a river tubing and drinking seems dangerous. Not just because of what happened here, but also the chance of drowning. When I tube others in my group have had drinks, I personally don’t.

@mollypaintscows

Ай бұрын

They actually have a separate inner tube just for the beer. Seriously. That tube is tied to another tube that a person is sitting in.

@rockstarofredondo

Ай бұрын

@@mollypaintscowsgross

@mollypaintscows

Ай бұрын

@@rockstarofredondo it’s not gross. A cooler sitting in an inner tube that’s tied to another inner tube is not gross. Gross is having the inner tube covered in puke, or someone else’s melted sunscreen, or blood from a cut.

@lr8607

Ай бұрын

Statistics show that drinking is a risk factor for drowning. However, being alone is a greater risk factor. None of these people were alone that day.

@kerri-lynbryant293

Ай бұрын

Yeh but they were only in about a foot of water.

Shame on those jurors. Shame on the prosecution

So many questions I can’t find the relevance to the case ?! He lost his knife , it was chaotic 20 million questions for same thing

Doesn’t remember anything specifically, had a buzz from drinking, can’t see anything, runs & trips cutting himself with his own knife, but knows he wasn't drunk? Yep, sounds good to me.

@Jah18769

Ай бұрын

You’ve never been on a river, clearly lol

@rolacook222

Ай бұрын

@@Jah18769 Not with a bunch a bunch of drunks, you got that part right! What is it, a right of passage, gotta get drunk to float the rivers in Wisconsin?

And here all those commercials telling us “buzzed is drunk” and shouldn’t drive seem to be wrong according to this testimony.

It seems that everyone that went tubing that day was drinking alcohol except for the stabber's wife. Alcohol, water, knives....what could possibly go wrong ?

@bigbrudda96

Ай бұрын

You forgot to add, stupid kids who act childish and slap people in the face

@dilatedvision7014

Ай бұрын

If everyone is chill nothing but when you have a group yelling and instigating then someone could end up hurt or dead lol

@lorila-northrup7748

Ай бұрын

That is also known as Tuesday in Wisconsin. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@ralphkramden2089

Ай бұрын

Nothing. Nothing ever did the 40 years I tubed that river. Now, punk ass bully kids with no compassion for others…there ya go!

This man has no reason to lie the attorney is wasting time. I’ve been a lawyer for 24 years and would never waste time like this.

@petalsluv4ink

Ай бұрын

I see exactly why he was questioning him. I learned a TON from his testimony. Most specifically those kids were intimidating to everyone around with their unruly and unpredictable behavior.

@rockstarofredondo

Ай бұрын

You’re no lawyer lol.

@lr8607

Ай бұрын

100 percent agree. The trial-long defense strategy of attacking victims who also happen to be witnesses is one with which I disagree, but to some extent I can see why Miu's lawyers are doing it. They've got nothing else to work with. I have to draw the line with this witness, however. He and his wife were not witnesses to the incident itself and only stopped to help someone with a life-threatening wound. There is no legitimate purpose in imputing to this witness some ability to assess a threat or lack thereof. And to seemingly attack him for being mistaken about his own knife was off-the-charts bad, IMO. I was waiting for this lawyer to start suggesting the witness' own knife was used in the stabbings. That's how freaking bad the questioning of him was.

@pla5730

Ай бұрын

😮 why did every single one of the plantiffs lie on the stand!?

@GorgieClarissa

Ай бұрын

@@rockstarofredondo everyone in the youtube comments is a lawyer. except me. i'm on the supreme court

what is it with this place where people drink and play in the water? mate those things don't mix,

@candykane4271

Ай бұрын

OMG the alcohol gets its own tube.

@user-nt4oy8cu1n

Ай бұрын

Wisconsin. More brandy consumed per capita than anywhere in the world. Sad/gross.

@myblacklab7

Ай бұрын

While it is possible to find entertainment in Wisconsin, the general vibe of most small towns in the upper Midwest is deadly boring, and I do mean "deadly," because so many people get into trouble with drugs and alcohol, since there is nothing else to do, and some of them end up dying because of it. The Apple River has been a party spot for decades - it sounds fun, actually, although now it's probably over-policed due to all the publicity surrounding this trial.

Jesus everybody's carrying knives and nobody's fishing

@mshirar

Ай бұрын

@@iliketocomment8144the entire stabbing is on video. Obviously not each exact hit but this guy hasn’t even come down the river yet. It’s absurd to suggest he was a second stabber.

It's quite obvious that this witness has not been "being coached"...he really cannot remember verbatim what his statements were to the police that day two yrs ago....

The common denominator of this whole case is intoxication regarding alcohol and the admittance from witnesses and victims that some were also under the influence of marijuana despite being only 17 years old.

I can't stand this attorney, he acts like a rookie.

@fredliperson9171

Ай бұрын

He's the same rookie attorney who got that American Hero "Kyle Rittenhouse" off ...Rookie attorneys don't make 2 grand an hour 😂 Smh

@user-up5cs9kk4g

Ай бұрын

Far from a rookie. He is a battle tested, very reputable WI attorney. As well as Nationally known for defending Rittenhouse. He did very well crossing this states witness. This guy also pulled and lost HIS knife and felt threatened by the mob. A pretty good flip for the defense.

@Cecil-hotel

Ай бұрын

@@fredliperson9171 yeah he isn’t a rookie. The video got Rittenhouse off. Yay! This guy I hope is found guilty although overcharged

@wolke1955

Ай бұрын

This terrible attorney was Kyle Rittenhouse his attorney to, who killed 2 people with his AR 15. Rittenhouse got free because of so called self defense 🤢

@RichSmithson

Ай бұрын

Another guy who defended himself from a crowd of thugs. Why are people like you so willing to be victims and cheering on the rest of us to be victims too? @@fredliperson9171

There are probably about 67 men’s pocket knives in the swim hole by now ! 😮 o dear !

@danb6838

Ай бұрын

And....200 one hitters! 😆

Is this the one where all those kids were harassing that man and he finally had enough and stabbed that kid? That was a bad situation

@lr8607

Ай бұрын

This must be a different case. This case involves five people getting stabbed. One was a minor (17), and he was killed. The other victims were adults and they survived being attacked.

@codyweisbrod4080

Ай бұрын

@@lr8607 something popped up on my phone yesterday about a guy at the river with a bunch of what looked like drunk teens. Of course all it showed was them picking on him and all of a sudden someone was stabbed and now he's on trial apparently

@RichSmithson

Ай бұрын

Imagine believing a bunch of tik tok kids. You need to get out more buddy and maybe watch the video yourself. @@IndependentsForTrump

@tansywelsh1636

Ай бұрын

Killed one and stabbed I think 4 others. Some pretty bad injuries. I don't understand why he didn't show them the knife and tell them to just back off. He hid the knife and held it to do major damage.

@tansywelsh1636

Ай бұрын

Yep , this is it. Started out with teenagers. Asking him what he was doing but he just glared at them and didn't answer them. Then he was grabbing their tubes and going under them and I think they felt quite uncomfortable with that. That's where the pedofile came from that they were yelling. Then older adults got involved and were telling him to just leave (with screaming and cuss words).. He ended up slapping a girl across her face and that's when it really got bad. He ended up killing a 17 year old right through the heart. The others I think were in their early 20's but he got them too. Really bad wounds.

Thank you for your content.

I ain't drunk, I just been drinkin'.

@burtgundy796

Ай бұрын

It can work like that

Stop treating him like he is on trial.

@christiandupont950

Ай бұрын

He isn't. He reconciling the difference between memory testimony and the police reports. Its for the jury.

@jamesgibson3582

Ай бұрын

A 1st responder would typically do something like 'left, right up, down, thugs drugs, fire, wire' to do a threat assessment...it doesn't mean you are expecting a fight. The whole idea of how far you can see without glasses was moot, the point is they saw something that looked like a party and went over. Where the knife went, I dont understand the extended knife questions though. The stabbing had already occurred. But yes, typical lawyer stuff for the jury.

Lawyer is showing that it is common to carry and lose a knife while tubbing in that river. When they say Mui tried to ditch his knife to hide his crime the lawyer can point out that it was an accident just like this guy lost his knife that same day as well. Also what happened to the video the women in the green bikini took on her phone??

He can see the same as not being intoxicated after 6 to 7 beers.😂

Kids, don’t drink alcohol. It’s really not what you may think. It gives you nothing, it only steals your mind and being. Quote to live by: Never underestimate how far someone else is willing to go. You would be shocked by what people will do when they’re angry and even more so scared. When your angry you react without thinking, when you’re scared people get hurt far more than when you’re angry.

After this event is over and police are talking to witnesses, I would think people are closer to telling their honest truths than 24 months after the event.

@BS-dq1kz

Ай бұрын

Absolutely.

@aerynstormcrow

Ай бұрын

The problem is, and I’ve been in a similar situation, that your “perception” of the event right after is very dependent on your fight or flight. Meaning you are so keyed up that you may perceive more people or more danger than was actually there. Later, when you are calm and not afraid/keyed up, you can look back on the incident for what it actually was and realize you may have overreacted. So what these people said at first vs what actually happened and they are saying now can vary greatly due to clear heads.

@ctr6051

Ай бұрын

Facts come out after time.. not immediately after said circumstances occur.

@joeb2650

Ай бұрын

​@aerynstormcrow you've said that multiple times now 😂

@allanfranklin9615

Ай бұрын

​@@aerynstormcrow You mean if you are drunk, your perception of reality might be skewed? This guy says he cant remember if he pulled his knife, doesn't remember if he cut a sandwich bag open, can't see clearly without his glasses, but after 24 months he has had time to think about it and come up with this story. I wouldn't believe anything he said, other than he was drunk.

I was surrounded by drunk angry neighbors a few years ago. It was a backyard wedding and the party clearly was out of control by about 11:45 pm. Two of the partygoers had assaulted my husband in the street because he was filming the unruly scene on his iPad. The angry young group were in my face screaming and yelling . I was speaking calmly . The bride’s mother ran up to me and pushed me . I told the group “ hey - you can say whatever you want to me but you CANNOT touch me.” So in my opinion - I was surrounded by many young angry intoxicated people but WORDS would never provoke me to hit anyone. I was 56 at the time and I’m a blonde white woman 5 ft 2 and 130 pounds. It was very stressful and upsetting but I did stand my ground . I was pushed but continued to speak firmly and advocate for my rights. Had to call 911 three times before the police came (Chicago) A bad night .

@EricParisen-hy9wu

Ай бұрын

Exactly you have control. Drinks kids don’t. Use judgement and call the cops. Handling it by yourself only ends worse

@gehudon

Ай бұрын

You don’t need to stand your ground!!! Mind your damn business and go home!

Can someone tell me if it is legal for a defense attorney to misinterpret a police statement or frame it to him is own needs, beyond what was actually said?

@American-gs4bt

Ай бұрын

No, not illegal. It's an argument. They can argue all they want.

@jamie.777

Ай бұрын

Kyle Rittenhouse lawyer is disgusting 🫣

@CaraMills0106

Ай бұрын

The judge often repeats " that everything the lawyers say is not evidence".

@thenightporter

Ай бұрын

I heard him say that and he needs to explain exactly what he means by that, in what context? @@CaraMills0106

@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz

Ай бұрын

Only allowed if its for the culture

I don't know why I'm tearing up right now. Its just so horrific. And I don't know whether to be disappointed in the teens taunting or the man who stabbed those kids. Either way, violence is never the answer. Why did he have a knife on him anyway? That poor teen who lost his life. It's just so sad how he died.

@pcap8810

Ай бұрын

most of the guys on that river would have had a knife in their pocket, it's wisconsin and they're outside.

@dg5175

Ай бұрын

@@pcap8810 everyone does because of what they're doing. It's not intended for stabbing though

@lordw9609

Ай бұрын

Someone who's prepared to defend their life when someone attacks them apparently. The old adage goes: Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it. If you attack someone with force or even threat of force, doesn't matter your age, doesn't matter your choice of weapon (hands in this case), your victim has the right to self defense and your demise is your own doing.

@dg5175

Ай бұрын

@lordw9609 Well he's guilty.

@lordw9609

Ай бұрын

@dg5175 They'll appeal. There's no evidence showing he did anything but defend his own life. The witnesses all lied on the stand and anyone who listened to them can see that.

Im from Wisconsin. The drinking culture and rate of alcoholics who are in denial about their condition is OUTRAGEOUS. Others have said drinking is a pastime there...they arent wrong, believe me

@celticfreckles2570

Ай бұрын

Isn't that an area that was founded by Germans and Norwegians? Us Irish Americans would like to know LOL

@user-nt4oy8cu1n

Ай бұрын

Wisconsin has highest rate of alcohol consumption.

Has SIX BEERS. "Im slightly buzzed"

Another witness trying to change his original story to the police.

This dude has seen absolutely nothing...smh...waste of time.

One thing I’m learning from this trial is regardless if you personally have some involvement in a event or if you’re just a witness to it, don’t talk to Police. You’re going to essentially be put on trial yourself for simply trying to help.

Fight or flight can cause short term memory loss right after the time of the event. Sometimes memories will flood your brain hours after the event.

"If I heard you right", "Let me try and put this together." WOW this attorney is insufferable to listen to.

@ohokayofficial

Ай бұрын

Wasn’t he in the Rittenhouse trial/case? His voice sounds familiar

@melsafken764

Ай бұрын

​@@ohokayofficial I believe so. Imo, I think thats the reason for all the mean trolls following this case. There are some horribly vicious people attacking victims.

@whoopsygoldberg

Ай бұрын

@@ohokayofficial I was wondering the same thing. What's his name?

@bluev7427

Ай бұрын

In a matter like this, you choose your words, you are trying to ask questions that will elicit the information you’re looking for.

@SugaryCoyote

Ай бұрын

@@melsafken764 Yeah, those poor victims were laughing and pushing and punching a man 10v1.

Affluent young tiktok influencers got more than they bargained for.

@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz

Ай бұрын

no cap fr fr

@HereForTheComments990

Ай бұрын

So did Miu. He’s the one who’s been sitting in jail for 2 years. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@hoidoei941

Ай бұрын

@@HereForTheComments990Proud of him

@pjnix5618

Ай бұрын

They aren’t affluent and they weren’t tik tok stars.

Slightly buzzed?! Everyone there was inebriated!

I’ve seen various of the testimonials of the people taking the stand, and i cannot understand the line of questioning or how this questions are related to the main issue, or weather or not this man acted in self defense. They are reading a lot in between lines, and asking the wrong questions.

@bryanlee8304

Ай бұрын

or.... you're just not even close to being intelligent enough to understand why they're doing that

Alcohol is a Schedule I substance, but the DEA is so fucked and ass backwards in their classification system already

The Apple River is notorious for its shenanigans….Unfortunately this doesn’t surprise me at all….

Police REALLY need to only record witnesses and NOT "transcribe". Because, transcription is a skill very, very few people are good at. Most people add, subtract, change, modify, conclude, etc. Including POLICE. And, I might add here: Especially police. Cops of 50, 40, 30 yrs ago may have been better at "perfect" recall, perhaps not. But, I have noticed there are a lot of instances of police recording wrong statements -- literally WRONG statements, based on what THEY believe is their "superior" understanding of all human interaction.

@kkrenken895

Ай бұрын

Yeah they are just the next people in the game of telephone. Very likely to get it wrong.

@drewv6852

Ай бұрын

Especially considering the cognitive ability of a police officer 😂

@yolandawilson6619

Ай бұрын

Agree+

The man on the stand told police that the kids also filmed and said shi**ty stuff but now he says he did not say this, though it was recorded by the police. I think he is changing his mind because a q7 year old died.

I don’t get the point of this?

Has any of these teenagers been charged with anything? Who gave them the beer???

@alinebrandau3982

Ай бұрын

The issue is a crazed man knifing and killing people.

@echoecho1913

Ай бұрын

Drinking under age, smoking pot, assault and inciting violence. Have any of the young adults been charged with anything ? Nope !!!!

@elhuddleston17

Ай бұрын

I think the only one (who died was 17)

@yolandawilson6619

Ай бұрын

​@@elhuddleston17They all were 17. They were high school students and athletes

@drewv6852

Ай бұрын

@@echoecho1913 Generally if someone is the victim of a felony, it doesn’t really matter what misdemeanors they committed in the process of being on the receiving end of a crime. In this case the teens weren’t charged with anything so there wasn’t sufficient evidence that the teens had committed a crime. Whether you agree with the outcome of the case or not, the law was presented with more than sufficient evidence that there was probably cause that Miu had committed crimes, such to charge him with said crimes. None of the teens were charged with a crime. A lot of people are missing this fundamental element of the legal system in order to scapegoat the teens.

So why is he a witness???? He doesn’t remember much of anything?? 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

@burtgundy796

Ай бұрын

Because he had assisted the young man that got killed, watch the whole video lame-O.

@keli449

Ай бұрын

He also told police that some kids came at him yelling profanity and filming him, now after knowing a kid died he changed his story.

I remember filing a police report once and when I read the report afterwards they documented the opposite of what I said. Some people should not be a police officer if they don't know how to listen or document correctly.

That's odd and a contradiction to say, "I don't remember saying that ", when answering the guestion of whether or not you told the cop that the one guy was "threatening and seemed like he wanted to attack me, so I just threw the snorkel at him", when we heard him clearly state just minutes earlier that as soon as he plucked it from the river, he gave it to the officer standing next to him. 🤔

A drunk and nearly blind "witness"... Pointless

@burtgundy796

Ай бұрын

Nearly blind but he can legally drive? Make it make sense.

When you have incidents like this, its obviously time to bring a ban on alcohol consumption in public. We had bad violence like this 20 years ago and now its illegal to drink in public and the police will detain you for being drunk in public in a "drunk tank" (Basically a cell you sit in for 12 hours till you sober up)

@kkrenken895

Ай бұрын

Yeah well good luck enforcing that.

@myblacklab7

Ай бұрын

What were the other incidents? One might say that it's obvious that we should ban alcohol, considering the tens of thousands of Americans it kills every year. We should also ban sugar, mountain climbing, skydiving, driving, etc. What I'm getting at is that all of life is a risk-reward analysis. I personally hate alcohol, but no way would I take away one of the few exciting things there are to do in that incredibly boring part of the country just because of some random incident that could have happened anywhere. I also suspect that if you could count the number of tubers who went down the Apple River over the past 40 years and the number of murders that have occurred during that time period, you'd find that the Apple River has a low murder rate.

“I was slightly buzzed..I was still able to walk and talk and such” 😂 only in Wisconsin.

@mollypaintscows

Ай бұрын

No, no, it’s very common in Minnesota too. 😂

@Jah18769

Ай бұрын

Do you know what buzzed means?

One thing I hope the jury is paying attention to-in other parts of the trial if an attorney asks a witness something and then after asking says something to the effect “if it says ….” and refers to something in writing, they are referring to a transcript of a deposition. In a deposition there is generally a court reporter there typing every word and there is often an audio recording as well. However, in 9:01 when the attorney says “if it says….” He’s not referring to the transcript of a deposition, he’s referring to notes a police officer wrote. There’s a huge difference between the two. A police officer is not expected to write everything down word-for-word. And this attorney is referring to the officer’s notes, not a transcript of the officer’s body cam video (if they were wearing one).

@HereForTheComments990

Ай бұрын

True. But the notes written down by police ARE admissible and considered evidence.

@chrise.321

Ай бұрын

Yet police notes can be misinterpreted. Neighbor said the male victim had a young girl spend the weekend with him several weeks ago. That girl was his adult daughter visiting for Christmas. Trials are a jigsaw puzzle; you have to put many small pieces together to find what is most likely true.

@yolandawilson6619

Ай бұрын

He's doing it on purpose

@yolandawilson6619

Ай бұрын

​@@HereForTheComments990Doesn't mean they're correct.

@SylvanFosters

Ай бұрын

@@yolandawilson6619 You mean the attorney? If so, I agree. I think by using the same format of question by saying “if it says here…” he is trying to get the jury to forget that the written document he is referring to is simply police notes and not a transcript of a deposition.

Ridiculous to even put this guy on the stand. 6 beers. Can't see well. Can't hear well. How embarrassing.

@HereForTheComments990

Ай бұрын

He was a witness for the defense because of his comments to the police.

@l-train7876

Ай бұрын

@@HereForTheComments990what was his comment to the police?

@Meowser186

Ай бұрын

Agreed, this guy has zero credibility. Defense must be desperate if he is their guy.

@sunnyd4125

Ай бұрын

Needed to be proved in testimony regarding bad eyesight, etc.

I don't like this attorney, at all. They waited too long for the trial. I wouldn't remember shit, after all that time.

@Mags7760

Ай бұрын

Especially if you were drunk and using marijuana 😮

I can't find any video of Madison Coen testifying. Has anyone seen one? TIA

@AngieLynn-en5jz

Ай бұрын

She asked to not be video or audio recorded…. Apparently she’s a victim but yet every other victim testified… makes me wonder???

@keli449

Ай бұрын

Because she has zero injuries of an alleged punch.

@donnacaco6321

Ай бұрын

She IS the reason this so quickly got out of control. The young guys got into fight mode when they "heard" a woman was punched.

I wonder if these witnesses were subpoenaed or if they volunteered to testify. Cause it just seems like these innocent bystanders are getting dug into like they have anything to do with the attack.

@bustorobusto6316

Ай бұрын

This is how court works you don’t volunteer you are demanded to appear under threat of criminal contempt charges. Not exactly fair but we couldn’t have important witnesses just decide they don’t want to come when the stakes are so high

@myblacklab7

Ай бұрын

@@bustorobusto6316 Could you direct me to the rule that requires all witnesses to be subpoenaed in a criminal case in Wisconsin? I know that you don't need to subpoena all witnesses for every case, but now you've got me curious as to whether there is a "subpoena all witnesses" rule for criminal cases in Wisconsin. It seems odd that they would subpoena expert witnesses, but I guess anything is possible.

@bustorobusto6316

Ай бұрын

@@myblacklab7 I’m saying it’s not a voluntary basis. If the state or defense needs a witness they will require them to testify. My point is its not optional, I never said they subpoena everyone.

Ban alcohol form your life Americans.

@willong1000

Ай бұрын

Yeah, tried that once--it didn't work out too well--took another constitutional amendment to fix it!

@lorivanderhaden2851

Ай бұрын

@@willong1000 Ban all religions!

@imalwaysrite123

Ай бұрын

​@@willong1000 um they are saying voluntary ban it from your lives not legally ban it..

@BS-dq1kz

Ай бұрын

Where do you live? Just curious.

@willong1000

Ай бұрын

@@imalwaysrite123 Thanks, but I get that the comment likely referred to individuals. I responded the way I did in an attempt to make a point about the prohibitor mentality in general. No need to ban something, even individually, if a person enjoys and uses responsibly. And, though I have swung from an Independent (who definitely leans Libertarian) to Conservative out of political necessity, I even feel that way about hard drugs contrary to the position of most on the Right.

Were his actions INTENT on causing fatal bodily injury? Was he in danger of a reasonably clear and present immediate physical threat to life or limb? These are basically the 2 questions the jury is being asked to decide, thats the reality of this case

@dkg249

Ай бұрын

Imo, yes to the first question and no to the second.

@HereForTheComments990

Ай бұрын

@@dkg249 I agree with you. I think he provoked this entire altercation and hoped to cover his a** with a stand your ground plea. He might get away with it - the video certainly sets him up well to make that self-defense plea. But his actions and statements after the attack really undercut his plea.

@davidblankenship2720

Ай бұрын

Was the knife a fixed blade? Or a lock blade? It looked to be a lock blade. When did he open it.? That would indicate he planned on using IT....

@BANN763

Ай бұрын

@@davidblankenship2720 in the video you can see him holding it blade edge up for maximum damage as he is standing in front of the girls. he then waves his friend over and smles very weird. then attacks the first girl. he planned on maximum damage with that knife and he executed that plan with better precision then ive seen in some movies.5 people in seconds

@islandultra

Ай бұрын

@@HereForTheComments990yeah i'm not buying that sale, someone who is defending themselves reacts like KR. they do not hide the weapon, lie to police, and pretend to not know what they had done.

1) these lawyers have NEVER “floated the river” or “been floatin” as us southerns in MS may say. 2) it would be considered ignorant to not have some sort of sharp knife on you when floating…… and to keep on your person the ENTIRE TIME! Exhibit A: ALL rivers are moving bodies of water that are ever changing! Limbs, trees that have fallen/been cut, and debris constantly move and shift! People unfortunately get stuck and sucked under by currents every year!! That knife could assist in cutting away small limbs, tangled up vines, ropes, etc. Exhibit B: SNAKES Exhibit C: potential threats to yourself or your family or even innocent bystanders by drunken idiots that just want to start a scene!

I agree I'd like to see charges dropped or lessened. I so wish you could take his case. Please keep us posted on this. Poor guy .He was physically shaken .

Oh so these kids came to this guy as well, filming and talking s*** to him. Hum...

I get the feeling that outside of a court setting, this guy behaves way differently.

@cheribee968

Ай бұрын

Yes.

@lisal2018

Ай бұрын

Who cares

@birgip.m.1236

Ай бұрын

Doesn't everyone?

@dominique8438

Ай бұрын

So you act like your a witness, on trial, all the time?! 🤣

@GetCraftyLemons

Ай бұрын

@@dominique8438 🤣🤣🤣

Terrible witness. He's contradicting most of his statement he gave to police.

I work in a bar where the regulars get drunk daily & nothing bad happens, all the bad stuff happens at night when the younger crowd comes in, there are exceptions to everything but I've seen a trend I can't ignore

First ..Its a couple years ago Then think about how chaotic it was …stab victims everywhere …his wife running into the middle of it… his kids are there to keep safe .. the last thing he’s thinking about is tripping and where his knife is. No one said he had it out..etc. remember he didn’t see any of what happened during the crime they showed up after to try and save this young man’s/a child still life !! The only way the defence could turn this witness around is to make him out to be a lair. That’s the defences tactic for everyone. Hopefully the jury is smart enough to see that’s what he’s doing. Most of which doesn’t mean a THING!!! What does it matter how much he drank. He wasn’t giving testimony of what happened when it matters. And really the knife too. Who cares it wasn’t a part of this trial. The only thing they can do with most of these innocent witnesses is make them out to be liars. BUT ITS BEEN TWO YEARS. again it was a horrible chaotic scene. You try to remember EXACTLY which words you used.

@kkrenken895

Ай бұрын

Thank you

This case makes me realize how fast one man stabbed four innocent people like Bryan Kohberger allegedly did.

@ca5400

Ай бұрын

But in this case the teens were not innocent.

@lovesilk1

Ай бұрын

Miu stabbed 5 people

@ca5400

Ай бұрын

@@lovesilk1 the "mob" that was punching and pushing niks head into the water.

@crimegeek

Ай бұрын

@@lovesilk1 thank you for that correction. Seems even worse now though.

@crimegeek

Ай бұрын

@@ca5400 not innocent in what claim?

Sir, just because you can still walk and talk doesnt mean you aren't drunk after consuming 6 beers.😅😂

With his body mass, I'd say it takes a lot to get him intoxicated.

Was there anyone there that day who was NOT drinking?

@Dknight2818

Ай бұрын

Floating down a river in a tube is a drinking event.. lol

@Meowser186

Ай бұрын

Yes, there was one lady-witness who indicated she had an alcohol problem and had stopped drinking period long before the river float. She was a sober as the Judge during the knife stabbing. .

@kkrenken895

Ай бұрын

I am surprised at how many holier-than-thou non drinkers are in this audience. Really??

@CT-vm4gf

Ай бұрын

Yes, the murderers wife was drinking water.

@theeggtimertictic1136

Ай бұрын

Yes ... the fish.

6:46 "Tripped over The Rock"....wouldn't that be cool to trip over a movie star.

Prosecutor is terrible. The prosecutor has spent less than half the time cross examining each witness. The court was having to hold his hand while working on the phrasing for the motion with the wife. Embarrassing. It feels like SUCH an uneven match that it was almost deliberate. Like the prosecution was meant to fail by whomever was in charge of assigning him the case.

Good testimony. He is very articulate. The defense is very good. Good questions and way they ask them. They are quite thorough.

That’s the nurse’s husband

Don't forget they were smoking the marijuana. They were all drunk and intoxicated. Come on people, of course this didn't help much. That's not pretend people don't kill people sober. They weren't blitz out of their mind. Dude stop there tubes with snorkel gear on in two foot water. Then he didn't speak and gave crazy eyes. Everybody needs to stop just blaming the young adults.

@candykane4271

Ай бұрын

You don’t know this river….id like to know how long they had been tubing already.

Mobs are always dangerous. Then another mob got involved. How could they not revel in their power to control, humiliate & destroy, which they have done!

This was self defense. It should not be a prosecution case at all. A bunch of drunk teens tried to beat up a stranger. They assumed because he was older and out of shape, he was no threat. What they did not consider is that a lot of men older than them always have a knife. My father never got dressed without his folding knife in his pocket. He used it often and kept it sharpened. The prosecutor on this case is a shyster. Wisconsin has a habit of prosecuting those that defend their lives.

@mrx2586

Ай бұрын

Completely and utterly wrong

It’s amazing how many people don’t remember when there alcohol involved…

@myblacklab7

Ай бұрын

If you think about it, there are probably a few people who blacked out, killed someone while blacked out, and still to this day don't even know that they are murderers. Alcohol is one helluva drug.