1978: FRED TRUEMAN Hates Cricket Helmets | Tonight | Classic Sport | BBC Archive
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Denis Tuohy chats to one of cricket's all-time greats, Fred Trueman. The legendary Yorkshire fast bowler explains why he reckons that batsmen wearing helmets just isn't cricket, and outlines his feelings about Kerry Packer's commercial cricket venture, World Series Cricket.
Originally broadcast 27 June, 1978.
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What a fascinating interview, wow! One of Yorkshire’s greatest men... I hung on every damn word of this conversation, incredible. Being an American who has only played/studied cricket for twenty years (2003) I only have to ask myself “what is wrong with me?” But then Fred answers the question at the end of this - cricket is the greatest leveler. It is the greatest sport, bar nothing. I can watch this over and over again, thanks for posting!!!
Great man from an era when that was still ok.
@TheMiketyson9
9 ай бұрын
Ok what?
Such a wonderful player and after he retired an outstanding raconteur. My cricketing hero to this day.
What a great personality, and a superb sportsman.
All credit to the interviewer here as well. He asks sensible, relevant questions and listens to the answer.
@stevencornfield6631
10 ай бұрын
Denis Tuohey
@johnenglish929
10 ай бұрын
@@stevencornfield6631 I wish interviews were still done like this - ask an interesting guest a question and let him reply without interrupting. So many interviews now - not just in sport - involve the interviewer giving his/her answer to their own question and talking over the interviewee’s reply when he’s eventually allowed to give one!
@neiluk78
3 ай бұрын
@@johnenglish929 Piers Morgan springs to mind.
Absolute class from Fred. Don't bounce the tailenders.
@essbee2316
10 ай бұрын
Indeed. As a bowler in my young days, I never short pitched to tail-enders. 1) Because you were more likely to get them out pitching towards their toes, and 2) we had to go to work on Monday. As I was a tail-ender my eye speed wasn’t good and I got hit on the side of head as I tried avoid a ball that was pitched short of a length. That’s why I didn’t short pitch tail-enders.
@dickmiles6639
Ай бұрын
@@essbee2316 he bowled bouncers at bomber wells
@chrissleight5292
Ай бұрын
But the batting of tailenders has greatly improved in the modern game - they just don't fall over like they used too! Plus they're wearing helmets, thigh pad, arm guard so they're not so intimidated by the fast bowler as they used to be!
What a great interview. Fred was very affable and entertaining, and spoke a lot of sense. His opinions on Packer were spot on. At that time, there was a lot of animosity toward Packer, Greig, and the players that joined. Fred was right to point out how poorly paid the players were, and that no player could be blamed for wanting a bit of financial security by joining up. Fred became a bit of a moaner about modern cricket as the years went on, but it was always worth hearing the opinions of one of the greatest fast bowlers in history.
@andrewwallwork1123
10 ай бұрын
Fred did the commentary for WSC Well received.
@cardigan3000
9 ай бұрын
fred was also a very profound racist
@gunternetzer9621
9 ай бұрын
@@cardigan3000 He may have used colourful language when the West Indies fielders were encroaching on him Carmody style, or referred to an Indian waiter as Cary Grant's bearer, but does that make him profoundly racist?
@cardigan3000
9 ай бұрын
@@gunternetzer9621 no but if you read his book - You nearly had him that time and other stories - you will be left in no doubt
@andrewstewart5721
Ай бұрын
and he was one of the world’s greatest fast bowlers!
The great Fred Trueman . Wonderful cricketer and wonderful person much loved by all who had the pleasure of playing against him and meeting him for a quiet pint .
Cor blimey did anyone notice how polite and chattable the interviewer was. bbc? he was hardly recognisable as being in the same profession as the snarky, sensation seeking overpaid yobs persistently asking leading questions trying to get one sports professional to drop another in it these days. Mind you Fred would have had them for breakfast. That interview was pure magic.
He’s got a point. Batsmen get hit more now than they did pre helmet days
I'm not into cricket but Fred was just so interesting to listen to.
@davidriley1188
9 ай бұрын
If you get a chance, try and listen to some of his after-dinner speeches. They are hilarious.
Fantastic interview. Quite articulate and well thought was Fred.
A great cricket legend talking about cricket and life.
God bless & thank you Fred for some cracking memories
Brilliant. Could listen to him all day
Brilliant. Agree or not Fred had his opinion on everything, ask him a question & he gave you an answer. Far more entertaining than the wishy washy interviews of today.
@gunternetzer9621
Жыл бұрын
Pipe and Swan Vestas in his hand as well - classic. He was great at presenting the Indoor League too. He couldn't exist in today's mental, oh so smug 'we've all moved on' woke nightmare. "Ah'll see the'.
@christopherwatson5869
10 ай бұрын
Unless your Jonathan Agnew 😂😂🤣🤣
One of the greatest craftsman of red ball
This reminds me of when my younger brother made the school's first XI, he went to the sports equipment shop run by the ex-Lancashire and England batsman, Cyril Washbrook to buy a thigh pad. "Thigh pad!" exclaimed Washbrook. "What do you need that for? Don't you know how to use your effing bat?".
He was England on legs ..fast,firery,totally committed,and a boundary entertainer ..his run up is frightening to watch from behind...I always wonder at the nerves of the batsmen facing him
People today don't realize how unusual helmets were in 1978.A few months earlier,David Hookes had his jaw broken by an Andy Roberts bouncer.
@billmago7991
9 ай бұрын
I was there that day and seeing it from the stands behind Andy Roberts it was a cracker of a ball that really could have killed him.... the wicket was a drop in via helicopter ...sports ground as packer wasn't allowed on the scg😅
@jlg5967
9 ай бұрын
@@billmago7991 I saw it on live TV,with all the gory close ups.
A batsman never forgets his box
When I look at Fred, I always think of possibly the most-unlikely meeting in all history - Raquel Welch and Fred. Raquel's son, Damon, married Fred's daughter, Rebecca, in the church at Bolton Abbey in 1991.
@blackbob3358
10 ай бұрын
That's a great "obsevation" David. Pun NOT intended.
@gjef9971
10 ай бұрын
I agree. I had to do a double take when I saw that on the news.
@davidbrear8642
10 ай бұрын
@@gjef9971 Back in the day, it was not unusual to encounter Fred drinking and playing darts in pubs in Skipton. He was a naturally humorous man. When Damon and Rebecca divorced after only a couple of years, Fred was quoted as saying: 'My run up lasted longer.'
@smfvmd
8 ай бұрын
@@davidbrear8642😂😂😂
@smfvmd
8 ай бұрын
Fred was lying face down on the massage table and Richard Hutton remarked on the size of his backside. Fred responded, “It takes a big hammer to drive in a big stake.”
And these fellas at the battle of Agincourt with shields. Getting themselves in the wrong position when the lad comes at them with a lance - F.S.Trueman
@mitchrils
2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 I was just thinking this interview is straight out of Monty Python
A good interview and his words about cricket at the end were spot on.
Well said Fred. He had good insight.
Wonderful character and interview.
Astounding to think that this man was the last England bowler to average in the early 20s over a Test career. All time great fast bowler. He retired in the late 60s……
Love him. A true great and wonderful character
A pipe and box of swan vesta matches..Priceless
A great interview. Well posed questions and articulate answers given. No constant interruption or talking over the other person.
Loved that the greatest game in the world no augments from me only wish he was hear today and hear his views on Baz ball 🙏🙏🙏
I’m not going to criticise Fred because we’ve learned a lot in the past 40+ years but I’m glad we’ve moved on from just accepting concussions and brain injuries were part of the game. And maybe, in line with his comments, maybe some batsmen do take more risks because they are wearing helmets. All that said, his sense of fair play is something that a lot modern sports have lost now so much money is at stake.
@ajs41
Жыл бұрын
Hardly any batsman received brain injuries back then.
@juanestadian8471
10 ай бұрын
@@ajs41 man i was about to say that. I'm not saying cricket is not a less dangerous sport, if fact we know its a safer sport. Not the most serious injury in the 80s was probably Gatting getting his nose smashed by Marshall. No international cricketer ever got killed. What trueman said was instructive, even with rudimentary helmets, batsmen had already started to get into the wrong position to play short pitched bowling. We also know Hughes got into a very bad position, which is why he became unbalanced on his feet and virtually swung himself until his back was facing the bowler. with the exposed part of the neck a target. Viv, larry gomes, gavaskar, richardson and many others never wore helmets and they never got brain injuries, and this is despite the fact that every team had at least one great and very fast bowler. West indies had four, Australia had lillee and thomson, Pakistan had imran and by 1984 had wasim and a little later waqar and aqib javed, england had bob willis, NZ had richard hadlee
@iandavis1723
10 ай бұрын
Batsmen before helmets kept their eyes on the ball a lot more. Watch a lot of modern batsmen now, they turn away from short balls because they know they have the protection.
@WilliamSmith-mx6ze
10 ай бұрын
Concussions and brain injuries weren't part of the game. As Trueman says, batsmen got into position.
@juanestadian8471
10 ай бұрын
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze you see it today, sometimes batsmen don't even duck....they just take it on the helmet
Jim Laker had the same sentiments as Fred. He thought it laughable batsmen started wearing helmets. But it has saved the lives of a lot of professionals and probably avoided many players from getting early dementia . We have learnt a lot from the time of this interview about concussions and their long term effects.
@juanestadian8471
10 ай бұрын
@geoffharris9396 good technique protected players from getting early dementia. they didn't get hit as often as they do now because they knew how to get out of the way and hook properly. Viv, sobers, larry gomes, richardson, don bradman and a host of others never wore helmets and lived or are living long and healthy lives. Barry richards scored a triple hundred at perth at its fastest against Dennis Lillee at his fastest and he does not suffer with dementia or any effects of a brain injury
@geoffharris9396
10 ай бұрын
@@juanestadian8471 Agree with what you say about technique but the players you mention are amongst the greatest that played the game. It's the other 90% that are in danger from the quicks. Harold Larwood even knocked over Bradman in the bodyline series and left others needing treatment. There technique didn't stop Larwood leaving them black and blue.
@AlunThomas-mp5qo
10 ай бұрын
@@geoffharris9396 Also a good technique does not prevent even the greatest batsmen from getting a top edge into their face, nothing you can do about it, e.g Edrich by Tyson, Ponting by Harmison etc.
@BigBlack81
10 ай бұрын
@@AlunThomas-mp5qo As well, I think something that gets lost in the recollection of this is that in the 70s, in particular, the game itself was getting much, MUCH quicker merely due to the training and fitness of the players improving from the 40s through to the 60s. You look at the fitness levels and overall athleticism of the late 70s sports around the world and you can see a MARKED difference in how the players looked and moved. The game was revving up as the world was revving up, and Kerry Packer realized this.
@AlunThomas-mp5qo
10 ай бұрын
@@BigBlack81 That's why I NEVER compare players from different eras. Because so much is different, I have noted this from reading many books written at the time giving detailed descriptions of test matches at the time they were played. For example in one 1930's Ashes test England bowled 120 overs in a day, assuming that it takes one minute to change positions between overs that leaves two minutes to bowl each overs. With Australia's score at 380 for 2 England were still bowling to a field of 4 slips 2 gullies and not one fielder in front of the wicket on the off side. That looks very much like they were not planning any bowling strategies and just letting the game drift on.
Fred Truman is right, I think, in saying that helmets have contributed to a decline in technique against the short ball. They provide protection against injury whilst making injury more likely
@lightningleaf23
10 ай бұрын
But on the flip side it’s a more watchable game as people are less worried about their life they take more on
@cosmicman621
7 ай бұрын
@@lightningleaf23...yeah the game is now distinctly in favour of the batsmen...with their,go for the slog...bionic bats...and a seemingly endless display of cloned medium-fast trundles to be hit to the 20/20 boundary.
This should be played in both dressing rooms for the 3rd test Eng/Aus 23
@eclectica1
10 ай бұрын
Might be a bit of a sensitive subject for the Aussies given what happened to Hughes.
@andrew7440
10 ай бұрын
@@eclectica1 Ironically he was wearing a helmet though. Sad as it is, the helmet didn't help.
Best of his generation!❤
Fascinating guy
Fiery Fred was my hero when I was a kid and, in my opinion, the greatest fast bowler England has ever had, & I’m not even a Yorkshireman!
The best English fastbowler ever 🇬🇪🏴
I bowled six (6) bouncers in an over to sow the seeds of doubt....
This is the greatest analysis and criticism for present day cricketers- if u do not respond to bouncers then u should not play cricket - I played at the local level - not professionally- but avoid getting hit - but other players get hit all the time
No wonder he doesn't like helmets. He's already wearing one. Great hair 😉
@dfb1976
11 ай бұрын
The 70s style
@skar5541
10 ай бұрын
Beat me to it. What a hair unit. Spectacular
@andrewoliver8930
10 ай бұрын
Solid lego barnet.
@brendos5289
10 ай бұрын
Had his hair cut at trumpton barbers. Still, a great cricketer in his time though.
@michaelgpartridge2384
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic hair. Top-class
The BBC Archive stuff is so good. The present stuff day isn't.
I heard Michael Holding repeat much of this in an interview probably 30yrs after Fred. Batsmen are hit more often as they have no fear and get all too often in the wrong position. They no longer know how to play the short ball.
Absolutely spot on, in every particular. Fred was always a joy to listen to.Could quite easily be from Fulham..if he wasn't from ...where was he from...?🙃
Champion bowler...
Brilliant
In 70s 80s cricket had wider fan base all around the world. Now it has morevfan base only in South asia
Of course Fred was first off to Australia to commentate on World Series. And quite right too- World Series Cricket was magnificent and there has been nothing like it since.
@shaundgb7367
4 ай бұрын
As a young kid that started watching cricket in this time period Fred's voice in commentary box during World Series Cricket is one of my first cherished audio memories of cricket on tv here in Australia. The characters from their era that could still hear on radio or tv coverage at start of the 1980's was so engaging to listen to. Fred Trueman, Frank Tyson and Keith Miller I appreciate more now than I did then as over time I understood how important they were to shaping my enjoyment on watching and playing the game myself in backyard and locally. Meanwhile early in 2023 I had to often mute the commentary in the series I was watching from India when Australia was playing them as the commentators were trying to sound interesting rather than were interesting. The India commentators and Matthew Hayden were putting me to sleep virtually. Man, How I appreciate hearing someone like this talk and actually are interesting. Funny how he said he might bowl underarm to make a mockery of helmets if he was still playing. Greg Chappell also knew you could still bowl underarm in those times and would direct his younger brother to do it in a match in 1980 v New Zealand. Rules must have changed sometime soon after so you could no longer do it in the modern game.
Good interview
"One of the helmeted brigade [...] Tony Greig..." 😂
I agree with him. As someone from the 70’s when I’m on a building site I use traditional British safety gear. I always remember to wear a flat cap and smoke a roll up.
@thehound9638
Жыл бұрын
Surely you'd be better off wearing a high vis vest in the afternoon?
wonderful
A fast bowler can use any delivery to any batsman. I see no problems with a fast bowler applying the bouncer to a tailender and it doesnt take anything away from them.
Statistically Fred is the best fast bowler in English cricket history..Wickets to tests played is incredible
In Truemans day there were only 3 'True' fast bowlers -Trueman/Hall/Grifith. Today ,EVERY test team has 1/2 bowlers who can hit 90 mph or more . What would Trueman have done if he had face the Windies fast bowling lineups from1976-1988?. It's fine being disparaging about helmets -but,as Sobers remarked when asked about them -"I would certainly have worn one if i waa playing today ,have you seen how many 90mph plus bowlers there are in test cricket today - EVERY test team has a pair and some have 3. When i played ,a 90 mph test bowler was both a novelty and a rarity".
Fred was so tough that Chuck Norris had nightmares about him
@thecarpetman7687
10 ай бұрын
When Fred started his run up….Chuck Norris gave himself out.
A lot of this is being mirrored with the IPL at the moment. If you go back to the C19th, a similar this was happening between county and international cricket.
Sir Fred
Everything Kerry Packer tried to achieve 45yrs ago is the game we know today🤔
A great entertainer of game and jolly. Character as described bt little master hanif muhammad
That is a HELL of a comb-over.
Can any modern sporting superstar speak this well, and not even put their pipe down?
To be fair, those white helmets that were worn at the time did look ridiculous. Once the design was refined they looked much better and of course it's right they became commonplace. you can understand why at the time, some people like Fred thought the way they did. He was far more forward-thinking regarding his views about Packer - he was of course absolutely right and history has shown that Packer did indeed demonstrate the true commercial potential of cricket.
Spot on fred.
Madness not to wear helmets!!
Fascinating man …I’ll sive it
@markhiggins8315
10 ай бұрын
I'll sive it? By the way I'm Yorkshire born and bred.
@markhiggins8315
10 ай бұрын
Do you possibly mean, a'l se thi? (Goodbye - I'll see thee)
This is one of Fred Truman jokes! Women and Cricket have a lot in common when you batting! You tickle it down fine leg, you stroke it through the covers, but some times, you give it, a damn good belting!
Fred was very intelligent and erudite.
One of the finest medium-fast bowlers this country's produced...
@newtronix
Жыл бұрын
Ooh cutting!
@neilperry2241
10 ай бұрын
🤡
@SuperRiddlers
10 ай бұрын
Thank god he's not still alive. He's have belted you about the head with his pipe
@martinspencer366
9 ай бұрын
Fred was genuinely fast and he could swing the ball away. Probably Englands best ever fast bowler.
I see some the batsmans these days with their space suit and wondering if they are going on a space mission - I never see viv richards with all that body protection and he was facing Lillie , Thompson , snow etc - some of the fiercest fast bowlers
@andrew7440
10 ай бұрын
To be fair to though none of us are as good as Sir Viv!
By eck, he nearly clobbered our Captain Mainwaring!
How do you think Fred would get on with Cindy Butts ,the lady how has overseen the latest review into ECB and cricket?
im sure that Australian batsman would disagree
when i started played in the 70's no-one wore helmets, and i can remember going to headingly to see england vs the windies, and they had some scary fast bowlers. they used to say you needed to learn how to bat properly and defend yourself. having said that i wasn't that good a batsman myself and having a ball rushing past my head & occasionally hitting me was'nt nice, so given a choice i'd probably have chosen one had they been around. RIP fred, a truly great cricketer (and presenter of indoor league) - 'i'll si thi'.
My favourite memory of Trueman is during the 1982 test matches vs Pakistan. When Imran Khan twice hooked Bob Willis for 4, Trueman said, "That's a problem innit. England's fastest bowler, quick as he is, is a yard and a half slower than Imran Khan. Imran Khan knocks their helmets off, they can't hook him, so they bounce him. And he says, thank you very much. What's going on out there! If it were me I wouldn't be bouncing him. He has got 4 slips and 2 gullies, and he is still bouncing him. Madness."
Didn’t call him firer Fred for nought 👍👍👍😊
I'LL SEE THEE!!!
In his day very few bowlers over 80 mph
Talking lots of sense here. I'm sure he would eventually accept helmets as well as they have revolutionised the game.
Different times.
when England was a great and United nation , I seen Fred bowl at my beloved Lancashire ( when Liverpool was part of the greatest county in England ‘’ till some silly politician made us Merseyside ‘’ Jimmy poss Liverpool
What about limited the short ball height to below neck height? I personally don't think bouncers are in the spirit of the game.
Hated wearing helmets. Couldnt see properly. Got too hot too fast too long. Made my footwork lazy. When i didnt wear one the short ball was easier to avoid or hit.
@shylo8590
10 ай бұрын
Completely agree, could never get on with them as a kid so stopped wearing them. Fred made a good point, batsmen tend to get hit more than ever because they dont watch the ball like they did before helmets
@andrew7440
10 ай бұрын
@@shylo8590Me too, wore one for about 4 balls in the nets when my coach told me to. The grill kept hitting my shoulder, and I couldn't turn my head properly, took it straight off again.
An authority....great listening....
Harold Steptoe vibes
This is so interesting but shows how Fred’s views have become outdated bouncers are often bowled to the tail Enders. Helmets have made it safer for everyone together with DRS it’s improved the experience for spectators. Technology has improved many sports 🏏
Never knowingly undersold
Didnt mind a bit of Grecian 2000.....
@cquilty1
9 ай бұрын
@mikepxg6406 And the Hitlleresque hairstyle the icing on the cake.
@user-jc1bs4bh2j
8 күн бұрын
Fred did not use it! He was not going grey! He was only 47 years old!
Freddie Truman predicts Sky TV, 12 years before it was invented? you what?
I have a friend who is a Yorkshireman. Very rarely wrong if ever. 😂
Size of those shoulders.
What are his views on French letters.
@user-jc1bs4bh2j
8 күн бұрын
His views on them, they are absolutely rubbish!
Tell Steve Smith after he was hit by Jofra Archer that helmets are some sort of comedy. Even the best cricketer may not be in the right position.
@vikingfitz9088
6 күн бұрын
If Steve Smith gets in the right position, it’s by luck. He has a brilliant eye but he moves around all over the shop!
Al see thee later
someone who knows what he is talking about
A great cricketer , but no regard for human injury or even death. We are now in the age of scientifically proven head injuries , dementia in football, rugby and cricket. Sky has destroyed English free to air cricket and marginalised our national summer gamè. Fred was correct about underpaying of professional cricketers. Respect to Fred from a Middlesex CCC supporter 🏏
@user-jc1bs4bh2j
8 күн бұрын
Heading in football should be banned!
George Whitebread wouldn’t have got 1 for 90 or 0 for a 100.
Nowadays it’s standard to intimidate and bounce the tail Enders
@indiarocks5731
10 ай бұрын
Tail enders are better batter now
@BarryAlexanderKing
10 ай бұрын
@@indiarocks5731 Jimmy Anderson seriously ? He gets smashed with bouncers
He didnt use a belt in his car either
@4seeableTV
Жыл бұрын
Nor did he stop smoking when warned about it. Lung cancer would end his life.
@bonwana2275
Жыл бұрын
None of us did lol