The fact that Sunny Gavaskar says Thomson was noticeably faster than Michael Holding or anyone else says a lot for me.

@user-cu1rp6lw9q

5 ай бұрын

That goes for me too. Nobody was quicker than Thommo during the 70s.

@rickydumas9994

4 ай бұрын

Bear in mind that Sunny never faced Thomson at his fastest either - the 1977-78 season was AFTER the shoulder injury which robbed him of several yards.

It was a golden era in the world of cricket -- non commercial, pure gamesmanship and legends were part of the game.

@hardikyadav9204

2 жыл бұрын

I partially agree with you... legends are still part of the game...after 10 - 15 years, people will remember today's teams and say legends were part of the game 😃

@unboxindia7381

2 жыл бұрын

What are you saying without commercial cricket was never played there were sponsor

@inncogneato6341

2 жыл бұрын

Always commercial.

@touchstar68

2 жыл бұрын

Kerry Packer "Non Commercial? Hold my beer mate"

@anweshpradhan1842

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, lots of bookies. Good that cricket was non commercial

I was 9 years old when this was televised and I was watching keenly when the signal dropped out completely. I never knew the results until today. I did always suspect Thommo as the fastest.

@bradthurkle7217

2 жыл бұрын

Wow yeah that would of sucked. I was 9 as well. That was fantastic era of cricket.I don’t even remember this. Stumbled across it. Pretty cool tho. Yes Thomo recons he’s even bowled 100 miles an hr/160km a few times. I believe him. He was very fast.

@russe19642

2 жыл бұрын

I was probably 15, world series cricket was at its peak and remember watching this and remembered he was the most accurate as well

@andrewblake2254

2 жыл бұрын

@@russe19642 I think it was Thommo who bowled a bouncer that went for six wides at the WACA. It hit the deck in front of the batsman and hit the sightscreen behind him.

@ozycobber4973

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@rnilu86

2 жыл бұрын

43 years later you got the answer

It feels wrong to hear somebody criticising the likes of Imran Khan, but then you remember it’s Richie Benaud and he can say whatever he likes about cricket 😂

Thomson wasn’t even playing at the time - he borrowed someone else’s boots and clothes and still won !

What an era it was! All the bowlers featured in this short documentary are the fast bowling legends. Also, West Indies became known for its fast speedy quartet, but few people know that Clive Lloyd thought of recruiting intimidating fast bowlers after the fast bowling duo Dennis Lillee - Jeff Thomson intimidated West Indian batsmen during West Indies' tour of Australia in 1975-76, and the rest is history.

@vijayiyer8518

2 жыл бұрын

And he brought them in after west indies lost to India and went 1 nil down to them after a test in port of Spain in Trinidad and Tobago. The pace quartet turned the series around, windies won that series 2 to 1. India and west indies played two fascinating series in the 1970's. The first one was the 1971 series, which India won 1 nil. Gavaskar scored a lot of runs in this series. What made both series so fascinating was the contrast between the pace bowling lineup of the windies and the Indian spinners. India was the only test playing nation with a spin dominated attack.

@aryamanprajin2611

10 ай бұрын

​@@vijayiyer8518More specifically, they had a number of spinners in their lineup and failed to defend 405 runs or something against India

@whodoyouratemore

26 күн бұрын

No my friend it's the most well known story in cricket

Thommo was drunk when they filmed this. He wasn’t going to compete but Kerry Packer made him go out there. He wasn’t wearing his own gear.

I remember watching this one when I was a kid.Len Pascoe was one of my favourites along with Jeff Thompson,the world's fastest.Fond memories.

@drnaveedyazdani1619

2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching this as an old man Now I am a young one

@MechanicalSculptor

2 жыл бұрын

@@drnaveedyazdani1619 Ah! Reincarnation, good for you! 🙂

Remember watching this as a kid, brings back memories of a golden era of cricket.

@dextermore4851

7 ай бұрын

English losing 23 world cu

Facing such express pace without helmets ...those Batmen had some real big Balls !!

@naeembutt782

2 жыл бұрын

200% Agree n Brave Hearts Too

@nearlyretired7005

2 жыл бұрын

I've faced a bowler who played for Middlesex colts.He was over 80mph That felt very quick!😫😫

@zumaanandrade3961

2 жыл бұрын

No they were crazy!!!!

@anujsarin17

2 жыл бұрын

Balls had protection:)

@utha2665

2 жыл бұрын

@@anujsarin17 🤣🤣

An endless debate, of course, but my two cents’ worth. Every cricketing nation has produced express bowlers, and we’ll never know who bowled the fastest delivery ever. What, in my opinion, made Jeff Thomson unique was that he bowled at express pace all day. Quite possibly Frank Tyson, Harold Larwood, Kapil Dev, Richard Hadlee, Shoab Akhtar, Alan Donald, Michael Holding, Patrick Patterson, Curtly Ambrose et al. bowled a few deliveries or an over faster than Thomson ever did. The thing about Thomson was that he bowled at express pace all day. Clive Lloyd said that he was just as quick in the last over before stumps as he was in the first over of the morning session. That’s what made him special. There have been many more intelligent fast bowlers, but none as consistently fast over days of play.

@drgoutham

2 жыл бұрын

Also waqour younis..

@owaisahmad9418

2 жыл бұрын

Kapil dev was only a medium pace bowler and not even fast medium let alone real fast!

@nimmichagger165

2 жыл бұрын

Kapil Dev was at best medium fast.

@grahamloveday6997

2 жыл бұрын

Thommo was measured at 160, there's no way some of these names, maybe all, ever reached that pace.

@SpinkingKK

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense , because it appeared Thomo's action gave him the pace. Bumra is one of the current bowlers who falls into such a category.

Final Standings After 8 balls: By Top Speed: 1. Jeff Thomson: 147.9 Average: 142.0 2. Michael Holding: 141.3 Average: 135.3 3. Imran Khan: 139.7 Average: 138.3 4. Colin Croft: 139.2 Average: 134.7 5. Andy Roberts: 138.6 Average: 135.3 6. Dennis Lillee: 136.4 Average: 132.5 7. Garth Leroux: 135.9 Average: 132.4 8. Wayne Daniel: 133.5 Average: 128.2 9. Len Pascoe: 131.6 Average: 127.7 10. Richard Hadlee: 129.8 Average: 128.1 By Average Speed: 1. Jeff Thomson: 147.9 Average: 142.0 2. Imran Khan: 139.7 Average: 138.3 3. Michael Holding: 141.3 Average: 135.3 4. Andy Roberts: 138.6 Average: 135.3 5. Colin Croft: 139.2 Average: 134.7 6. Dennis Lillee: 136.4 Average: 132.5 7. Garth Leroux: 135.9 Average: 132.4 8. Wayne Daniel: 133.5 Average: 128.2 9. Richard Hadlee: 129.8 Average: 128.1 10. Len Pascoe: 131.6 Average: 127.7 By Accuracy: 1. Jeff Thomson: 5 2. Garth Leroux: 4 3. Sarfraz Nawaz : 4 4. Mike Proctor: 3 5. Wayne Daniel: 2 6. Dennis Lillee: 1

@mrbot9645

2 жыл бұрын

Michelle stark too lad

@scottjones6921

2 жыл бұрын

And Thommo was half pissed and had to borrow some shoes and whites for the competition. He was having a few beers with Kerry Packers and after six beers, Kerry asked Thommo why he wasn't at the fastest bowler competition. The rest is history.

@SpinkingKK

2 жыл бұрын

So, Dennis Lillee was marginally slower than Shardul Thakur. LOL.

@dontbefooledbyjumla7869

2 жыл бұрын

And all old players still continue to say they were faster than Bret Lee, Shane bond or akthar.. who can bowl around 155..

@dennisneo1608

2 жыл бұрын

Shaun Tate AVE 250!!

Such an absolute gift. Thank you!!!

Options to explain speeds: 1. They measured hand-speed at top of action rather than ball after it left hand (there was a slo-mo which stopped at top of action) - wrist adds 5-10kmh itself. 2. They are using the grid and analogue clock to calculate distance/time; given 90mph=40metres/second, and these guys will be through their action in a second, a tiny error in the clock, grid interpretation or if the ball is crossing grid at an angle will change the speed. You also have the parallax of the camera which could affect the speed positively or negatively. I agree with many others these speeds seem low; visually they look quicker. There is a POV video of And Gilchrist facing Brett Lee at 88mph+ and these guys look at least as sharp from the batting end camera

@Fan4club

3 жыл бұрын

I think the best test would be high speed camera judging hand release to contact on the ground - this older style I’d rate as a better test than nowadays -all these speed gun machines give wild results now and then - I don’t trust they pick up the ball out of the hand.

Jeff Thompson was in an another league altogether. He could have killed batsmen instantly with those speeds especially as they didn't have helmets in those days. That's downright lethal ...

Since the horizontal component of velocity is being measured it's best to bowl full (yorker length) and straight to record the highest speed. Most of the bowlers are wasting their efforts by bowling bouncers especially Andy Roberts.

@anonymous4531

2 жыл бұрын

They said in some other video that they measured from the bowling end while the release hence the proper camera set up showing their release

@broxyuni9660

2 жыл бұрын

Ya ground eats lot of pace.

I am surprised so many of these fast bowlers didn't realize that bowling shortish takes a yard or two off the measured pace, because the pace is measured along the pitch alone, and not in the perpendicular direction. Only Jeff Thomson seems to have understood this, bowling full tosses.

Richie - that maaaarvelous flowing action

My favourite quote from Clive Lloyd (and didn't we respect big Clive )...."If you face Jeff Thompson, with no helmet, and you were not scared....you are a liar"

@davidmcdonald67

Жыл бұрын

Lloyd never said that. What he did say was that Thompson's cousin , Jeff Thomson was the quickest he had ever faced.

Super fast bowlers - legends all - but Andy Roberts on the green at full tilt was something else. A bowler with a fast bouncer and a slow bouncer - whew - the Late Mr. Brian Close had talked about it.

@graguitar6493

2 жыл бұрын

i still maintain he was the greatest WI bowler of them all

@graguitar6493

2 жыл бұрын

@Tech SUPPORT I'm not dissing Marshall at all. He was definitely one of the best. I guess it's too hard to really seperate them when they're that good

Fastest ball results 11:11

With camera setup clearly on bowling end and measuring release speed i still see comments saying speed was measured at batsmen end. 👏.

@9roobanote

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, these guys going on and on saying it was 175, 150 blah blah . See this full video kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yod315ajpZy2f8o.html 6:10 onwards. they clearly say it is measured at the time of release. 147kph is kinda average

@Pyroblaze212

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah some people are just dumb

@shortshiftmotorsportpodcas1862

2 жыл бұрын

They had high speed camera at the bowling end and one at the batting end and measured the time from end to end then got the average speed. That’s why you can see the timer and the checkerboard from side on. The camera pointing at the bowler is doing what cameras do not measuring speed. Today it’s measured by a radar gun which assume picks up the ball at peak speed but unsure what point that is.

@ayushsinghchauhan22

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@flamingfrancis

2 жыл бұрын

@@shortshiftmotorsportpodcas1862 The use of radar guns in cricket started about a full season after they were first used in MLB (1978?). The measurement is generally taken at a point soon after release. These older tests were first performed in Perth WA by UWA Mechanical Engineering dept. You have to remember that the older measurement is done from the side and between two points (level with the bowling and batting creases). The overall velocity therefore includes the velocity lost when contact is made with the pitch. Today's telecasts sometimes indicate the speed measured on release and also the speed on arrival at the batter.

Imran Khan s bowling action was perfect with high jump after him holding, later on Imran Khan became fast in 80s era before injury, he bowled 140 to 147 , and started new art reverse swing introduce to the world,

Jeff Thomson is arguably the fastest bowler in cricket history

@longerodds5077

22 күн бұрын

Bret Lee, Shoaib Akhtar

I remember watching this on television at the time, thanks for posting 👍

@arindamnaskar5401

6 ай бұрын

When was this posted?

Those saying the ball was recorded at the batsman's end are wrong. Those saying the ball was recorded out of the hand are also wrong. Modern measurments track the speed of the ball the instant it leaves the hand, the measurment observed here is the distance of the grid (perhaps a couple of feet) over which time the ball will slow down slightly. The numbers these bowlers would be bowling with modern measurments would be marginally faster. Another note is that this competition was held on a 40 degree day.

@gregstuart9783

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I suspect add 15kmh to match modern measurements

@ude3333

Жыл бұрын

Where did you get the "two feet" part from?

@ethybubs

Жыл бұрын

@@ude3333 I didn't say "two feet", the measurement of the ball speed is measured over the distance between the release point and the edge of the frame, that appears to be around 2-3 feet.

@ude3333

Жыл бұрын

@@ethybubs I dont think thats the case. Because the video doesn't explain it properly. so thats only an assumption.

@ethybubs

Жыл бұрын

@@ude3333 It's just obviously how they're measuring it. That's the point of the grid and the clock.

"And there's Jeff Thomson, the one they're all chasing."

RB referred to Holding as a former champion athlete, but Holding himself said that they mixed him up with another guy and he wasn't!

IMRAN KHAN was my favourite of all times, not only was he a fast bowler, a great all rounder but the best Captain out of all these great Cricketers , they were all legends .

@wheresthegovernance4350

2 жыл бұрын

Plus his ex-Mrs was HOT! 😁

@nitinkr3961

Жыл бұрын

You need a psychiatrist along with Imran

@camelartist3054

10 ай бұрын

Imran khan's book says he tampered the ball to get wickets. I lost all respect for him since.

@aryanwarrior6233

8 ай бұрын

Ball tamperer

@cryptonews5943

8 ай бұрын

​@@aryanwarrior6233typical indian

This takes me back to the golden era when I wasn't around. What a diamond of an upload!

The funniest thing is how they recount everyone's average speed and highest speed at the end - except for Sarfraz. What on earth was he doing there? Medium pacer.

Remember,speed in those days were calculated when the ball reached the batsmen it means that speed of the ball when it reached the batsmen was considered actual speed,but when shoib and bretlee started to bowl from then onwards bowls sperd started to be measured when it left the bowlers hand.So as per todays standards all of them were bowling above 150 km/h regularly and jeff thompsons 147 was above 160.

@ayushsinghchauhan22

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that was the way they measured in this competition...notice the square grid in background...they calculate speed by simple distance travelled divided by time taken...

@deepchatterjee5123

2 жыл бұрын

Hum andhe hain kya jab shoaib aur brett lee bowl chorte the dekh k pata lag jata tha 150 k speed daal rahen hain same with waqar younis also agar speedo meter naa bhi available ho toh tab bhi naked eye se pata lag jata tha

@russe19642

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayushsinghchauhan22 yeh more calculated than like towards speed cameras

They were all legendary bowlers who gave us sheer entertainment.

WOW. That's Amazing to see these legends in action.👍

Bowlers have different days when they are in a riddim and bowled fast. It is hard to put 5 or 6 fast Bowlers to run up and bowl their fastest. Most times a bowler needs some motivation.

@hypertropzz

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.. having a batsman at the other end to knock his head off gives the motivation for me to bowl faster

@Bigbrodonateddollarsthroughsup

2 жыл бұрын

Yep exactly, pretty much all these bowlers have clocked 155+ and that was in an actual game against a batsman. You can’t expect usain bolt to even go sub 10 during practice or friendly competition cause there’s no motivation or drive in practice unlike a competition

@suhasbn44

2 жыл бұрын

$10,000 is enough motivation 😂

@rhyssanders9122

2 жыл бұрын

riddim loool

@tanginicholls207

2 жыл бұрын

Playing any sport is motivation enough regardless of level.

I was negative 11 when this was done, but I just appreciate a good spectacle. It's actually pretty impressive how they got the high speed this clean more than 40 years ago. Same goes for time the time of Bradman. A lot of foresight from the camera operators and technicians who made it happen. Although we probably won't know them by name, we can still appreciate their work nearly a century on. P.S. Jeff Thompson mentioned how he cleaned up by bowling full tosses when everyone else was bowling bouncers (in order to be faster). The guy wasn't just a talented athlete but also quite wiley! kzread.info/dash/bejne/nZykpJmTkdWxl8Y.html Cheers!

Now those were the good old days of cricket..... Long gone now

@johnwatts8346

2 жыл бұрын

yep, that was the classic era huh, late 70s early 80s, so many great players and characters in the game and one day-ers white ball coloured clothing were new and exciting etc.

thank you Richie!

Amazing video! We featured this in one of our articles. Thanks for sharing!

Richard Hadley is running a successful business in South India with my Malyali friend's friend. People always encircle him for autographs and stuff here. He is so fond of South India I believe.

My Respect for Shoaib Akhtar just went up... Like no disrespect to these legends.... But how scary Akhtar must have been with 161.3 Km/h being his highest he used to bowl consistently at over 150+. What a beast of bowler he was

@writamchatterjee4676

6 ай бұрын

Lee has far more 150 plus deliveries recorded than soaib…even he reached 160 plus 4 times which is more than soaib….yes soaib was more furious because he wanted to kill batsmen where on the other hand lee was focused on the good lengths and the Yorkers only.

@Josenrl

6 ай бұрын

​@@writamchatterjee4676Absolutely 💯

@kunalk1234

5 ай бұрын

Methods used to measure speed are different. Shoaib's speed was measured only at the time of release. But in this video they measure speed based on time taken by ball to reach other end. And we all know that speed drops considerably once you hit the deck

@AndyTychon

5 ай бұрын

Thomson bowled in this event after his shoulder injury. He was waaaaaay quicker prior to the shoulder injury after a collision on field with Alan Turner.

@ALF782

5 ай бұрын

The speed Thomson bowled at in Brisbane in 1974 against England must have topped 160km/hr​@@AndyTychon

This is great. Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure who THE fastest bowler ever was, to me it seems there's a certain level that can occasionally be reached, but we'll never know for sure. Geoff Boycott said that Holding was the fastest he'd faced, and that he felt he had more in him if he wanted it (scary thought). He didn't face Thomson in the mid-1970s though. Benaud swore the fastest bowling he ever saw was Frank Tyson in Australia in 1954/55. Alan McGilvray was convinced Eddie Gilbert was the fastest he'd ever seen (and faced). Fascinating to wonder how quick they all would be captured with modern equipment.

Love the wobbly, high tech soundtrack when they do the side on replay! 😀

Batters were brave enough to face such formidable pace attack without a helmet..

The most graceful and deadly fastest bowler of all time Malcolm Marshall.

@creativity2598

8 ай бұрын

Shoaib akhtar laughing in the corner 😂

@liamfitzgerald8557

6 ай бұрын

​@creativity2598 Don't think so pal he might have been quicker but was not in the same league as Marshall !!

@creativity2598

6 ай бұрын

@@liamfitzgerald8557 Marshall was cute in front of Shoaib's bouncer's

@liamfitzgerald8557

6 ай бұрын

@creativity2598 Are you for reel ? There were fragments of Mike Gatting's nasel bone tissue in-bedded in the ball after Marshall hit him in the face at Sabina Park !! Marshall also took his 376 Test wickets at 20.94. He was also fit and could bowl all day unlike Shoab

@creativity2598

6 ай бұрын

@@liamfitzgerald8557 Marshall is nowhere close records speak for themselves

The days when mc Donald’s would give away a World Series cricket poster with every Big Mac

Awesome video thanks 👍

The guy that took his shirt off was the fastest. Good onya Thommo.

Take into account the views of the wicketkeepers. Jeff Dujon once said Patrick Patterson was the fastest that he kept wicket to.

@g.r.smurthy62

2 жыл бұрын

Patrick Pattetson story is really sad . He suffered from depression and suddenly went into oblivion till.he was spotted by an Indian ,

@darrensoogrim4093

2 жыл бұрын

David Williams told me the same thing.

@Jack-qn9ic

2 жыл бұрын

Pattrick Patterson didn't debut at this time..

@g.r.smurthy62

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-qn9ic talking about the real fast and patsy was.up there and vanished intp the blue

@darrensoogrim4093

2 жыл бұрын

He would not have to playing for the w.i at the time. Regional and club cricket they would have crossed paths.

Thanks for this. Remember this as a little kid. Be interesting to see it done with modern tech taken back with a time machine lol. Comparing eras is something that can't be done.

@utha2665

2 жыл бұрын

I think they can measure (to a point) with old footage. They need to work out angles and camera positions of the day, but they measure the distance travelled between two frames to calculate. I always thought they measured speed these days with radar but they actually use the DRS ball tracking to calculate, apparently it is far more accurate and faster.

Methods used to measure speed are different. Shoaib's speed was measured only at the time of release. But in this video they measure speed based on time taken by ball to reach other end. And we all know that speed drops considerably once you hit the deck

@relevantbrother8964

4 ай бұрын

Yes but Michael Holding was tested using very similar equipment and methods to current ones in 1980 by an Aussie Uni and he topped out at around 138km. I watched a lot of Garth Le Roux and Croft in the 80s and these speeds look bang on the mark.

A fired up Sylvester Clarke would have been up there no question! Ask Alan Kourie? Here's a clip from Wiki.. "Alan Kourie recalls that Clarke, during the unofficial West Indies 1983 rebel tour, recorded speeds between 98 mph and 101 mph by two South African police officers testing out a new automobile speed radar gun who were present at Johannesburg ground."

@flamingfrancis

2 жыл бұрын

We hear bs stories like those coppers all the time....who is to say that the alleged radar gun had been calibrated correctly to a standard and / or was in calibration. In any case the West Indies so called rebels played in the World Series years 1977 to 1979.

Great sportsman back then.

Did anyone else have the Brett Lee fast bowling VHS as a kid like me? It also included the results of this competition and an interview with Jeff. He said he wasn't even well during this competition.

Michael Holding made it look easy wouldve watched that just for the smooth commentary, retro effects and funky music skits. Could it be lego men hairstyles were created in the Mold of Thomo's mighty mop

Dennis lillee is my all time fav.

@alli-kat2329

2 жыл бұрын

Yassssss!!!! 👌🏻

@MasterDownUnder

2 жыл бұрын

DK off the long run!!!

I watched this when it first aired on TV. Thommo, fastest and most accurate.

Just missing Big Bob. RIP.

1979 - One player springs to mind immediately Jeff Thomson but don’t forget Harold Larwood in the 30’s and Frank Tyson in the 50’s for we will never know how fast they bowled.

Speed was calculated from the hand in those days too.. that’s why the screen is placed behind the bowler.

@flamingfrancis

2 жыл бұрын

Mesurements were carried out at 90Deg. to the two creases near to the boundary. Testing was done in Perth WA as part of studies performed by UWA. There were no devices that measured linearly in 1979.

@rufioswitch2132

2 жыл бұрын

@@flamingfrancis for this competition, or for games? Surely in this one the grid parallel to the crease, plus the frame rate is what calculates the speed? Ie distance over time?

It was always known that Thommo was the fastest of his era. He was a top Javelin thrower that is why he had such a slingee action. In my 40 years of watching top level cricket only Shoaib A and Brett Lee have clocked as fast. Special mention to Waqar who was super quick for a smaller guy.

@TheflyingkiwiRC

2 жыл бұрын

@Tech SUPPORT I Googled it 1.83m - 6ft. Yes taller than I thought.

@mjt7585

2 жыл бұрын

Starc and Tait??

@utha2665

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjt7585 Yes, Tait has 2nd fastest delivery of 100.1 mph, Starc, I think is just behind Lee in speed ranking.

@truthseeker3536

2 жыл бұрын

Waqar Younis was officially timed at 153kph after his injuries. I heard that he was recorded around 157kph before he got injured, but it was not officially verified so it remains speculation. Regardless Waqar was a true freak in his own regard. Can you name any other bowler who could reverse swing the ball like he did at 150+ with lethal accuracy on the stumps, like he did during the 1990s?

hats off windies

It takes a while to get going 🥃🥃. Cheers from Adelaide

Shame Thommo wasn't recorded before his injury in 1976/77. Yes 1974/75 he was at his peak. Can you imagine him with raw pace before the broken collarbone. I just shuffle up and go whammo !! Might have been the quote.

@utha2665

2 жыл бұрын

I think Thommo was recorded in 1975 at 99.8 mph. The record lasted for 30 years. But I still think to this day that he bowled faster. True Aussie larrikin.

i would challenge star batsman of 2021 just to stand and watch these legends bowl without their pants being wet

@BumMcFluff

2 жыл бұрын

If it were possible, I would pay good money to see David Warner on the receiving end of these guys at their prime.

@HX018

Жыл бұрын

You can't say that What makes you belive such stupid thing

We need this now

Under rated great Imran khan by saying he is fast medium and sometimes fast..and Imran khan superseded to most of them like Andy Roberts and Dennis Lillie by speed and accuracy just behind Michael Holding and Jeff Thompson. Anyway they were all great legends, belongs to golden era of cricket. It was like a real clash of the titans.

Which brand of sundial did they use to calculate Sarfraz's velocity?

If sarfraz Nawaz could be brought then Kapil Dev could have been brought. Richard Hadlee and Kapil Dev were almost same pace

@aliasgarasgie

5 жыл бұрын

Kapil was quick in his early days but later played on movement and accuracy

@kundankanan9074

3 жыл бұрын

@@aliasgarasgie Kapil made his debut in 1978, I guess too early by 1979 to be invited here. Holding made debut in 75 series, so playing for 4 years by then.

@tanwerkiani7510

3 жыл бұрын

Sarfraraz and Kapil...get a grip . 😂😂😂

@mesky1193

2 жыл бұрын

Kapil after 1980 was a medium pacer,barely hitting 125-130 range, the quickest in India then was ta Sekhar and before in the 70s salgaonkar, neither played test cricket sadly.

@Timberwolf1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@tanwerkiani7510 yeah right. 434 wickets, more than half of them being from the top order and 250 of them in 63 tests against full-strength teams from England, Pakistan, West Indies and Australia compared to a guy who didn't even cross 200. Can't be taken into the same bracket in any sense.

There's a guy up from where I'm from who has a similar action to Thommo, and he is bloody quick for a park cricketer...

It'll be interesting to watch this competition in 2021

Shoaib akhter… *hold my cap*.. 😂

@GurmeetSingh-pp9xt

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but bowler in 70's &80's are very fast and accurate on the other hand shoaib wast very fast but you can't compare shoaib with this legend and search malcom marshal dennis lielli jeff thompson andy roberts joel garnal micheal holding

@muhammadbalal6677

2 жыл бұрын

@@GurmeetSingh-pp9xt also their uniform and kits used to be tight. Whereas in the modern day bowlers are more comfortable with their action.

Fail to see why so many are finding fault with the outcome. Thommo was in a bar when he got the news about the 'shoot-out'. He hadn't played in 6 months as he has said on many occasions in interviews, Channel 7(?) knew this but encouraged him anyway. The others were all match fit, playing or at least training for a 'season' coming up. They all had the same rules and conditions. They knew the rules... no real warm-ups as if playing in a match and having had several overs to get rhythm. The comments from batsmen and commentators of the time talking about Thommo, pretty much backed up the truth he was the fastest. Lloyd, Richards, Bumble ( David LLoyd) Lawrence Rowe, Dujon, Lillee, Pascoe, Grieg and here's a direct comment from England Captain Mike Brierley said, “Broken marriages, conflicts of loyalty, the problems of everyday life fall away as one faces up to Thomson.” The accuracy prize must been sweet for him as the detractors have always said he was wild and no control. Truth is he always bowled to get the ball down to the batsmen/stumps as fast as he could so that was his style...he pretty much bowled using sheer pace, (he has said that too on many occasion, think sometimes he does play up to the image some people have of him)... whereas the others were trying to beat him ( they all knew who was the fastest) and by just bowling as fast as they could.. accuracy went. I find it funny that the relatively unfit 'Bankstown beach-bum's' average speed was still faster than any of their fastest balls !!

@aussiesmoko

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Kerry packer asked thommo why he wasn't down there trying out . Thommo had problems with contracts with cricket Australia or something. Mr packer in true packer style told thommo i own this you get your ass down there and you'd better win, I think thommo said Mr packer had had a substantial side bet for thommo to win .packer made sure thommo was included..

@mjt7585

2 жыл бұрын

@@aussiesmoko Thomo is the Chopper Reed of the cricket world. Some of what he says may be accurate but you don't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn!

@rickydumas9994

4 ай бұрын

In his own words, "I'd been sittin' on me arse on me back verandah all summer, drinkin' beer". Bear in mind this was also a couple of years after the collision with Alan Turner which wrecked hos shoulder and robbed him of several yards. He was still quick after that but no longer terrifying.

Akhtar, Lee, Sami, Bond and Tait were pace machines! Indeed, Thomson was of their league in his peak!

The absolute greats

Why aren't they conducting world's fastest bowler competition nowadays?

@caarda_old2

5 жыл бұрын

I suppose fear of illegal actions such as the pace race involving Lee, Ahktar, et al. Just a guess though.

@aliasgarasgie

5 жыл бұрын

Cricket is no more a game of bowlers let alone fast bowlers

@CoachJimWheeler

5 жыл бұрын

Probably injuries, lots of effort that goes into bowling express,

@Gg-zd8xz

5 жыл бұрын

Injury risk means most players on central contracts aren’t allowed to

@OtterSC2

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's injury risk, no administration is going to let their nation's fastest bowler risk a potentially permanent injury by going all out just for bragging rights. It would be interesting if they could gather data during matches to have an annual fastest bowler or fastest of the world cup award. They can put a camera directly above the bowler with spider cam these days I would think that would let you get extremely accurate measurement without needing the bowlers to bowl just for the sake of being measured.

TV gold!

Yes... At the end of the day Pace does Matters

Thommo goes around saying that the speed was measured at the batsman end.... Clearly, the measurement device is at the bowlers end measuring during delivery stride and release.

Love the Safraz run up 10:18 , always ran like his underwear was a fraction too tight

@2Tubist

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, with that same style he made Aussies wet their underwear back in 70s, and that was before lunch

@cquilty1

2 жыл бұрын

@@2Tubist Yes, safraz did make all batsman wet their underwear - with laughter:) He was fast medium at best and had a test bowling average of just under 33 and a strike rate of just under 80! Ooooh... scary. His bowling stats against AUS? 15 matches, 52 wickets at 35.15 with a strike rate of 86.9. Calm down.

Facing them was like standing🧍 before a battery of shooters. Even the batsmans country men shivered. Their runup & the ball traversing the length of pitch & the long journey to keepers.

Amazing Ritchie mentioned Larwood it is about the same time from now than we he bowled in the thirties - as it was in this broadcast we thought that was ancient - but this doesn't seem that long ago - go figure!!

Incredible

What if such competitions are held now and the same equipment for testing the speed of the current bowlers. Some confusion or myth can be cleared. Also I would like to add another point the 15 degree elbow flexion was not implemented back then . Which seems like they may not be so fast & furious but were genuine pacers with clean undisputed action. Because the flexion gives a clear advantage in terms of bounce swing and pace. Lee ,Tait and akthar cleary have some flexion in their actions. Where as Starc Johnson Bond Milne fidel Edwards and some bowlers who clocked over 150 have very less or sometimes negligible amount of flexion.

@g.r.smurthy62

2 жыл бұрын

Pigeon too had flexion

Lillee and Thompson were my idols and quite young I could imitate their actions quite well. My dad took super 8. I adapted the Lillee style to use because it was more consistent for me and I could hit the seam, but I felt the "Tommo" was faster. As a physio I now know that's because you create a lot more leverage across the left knee, which more easily obtains terminal extension and has less forward flexion force to overcome - faster for longer. When I got to high school and learned javelin I realised that that was Thompson's technique. I still dont understand why conventional and Thompson's javelin stye aren't both taught to youngsters, so they may choose what works for them. Even if only 10% can master javelin style, they will have a lot of success.

@BurnsTennis

8 ай бұрын

To my untrained eye, Thomson's style looks like a recipe for shoulder and other injuries? And perhaps that's why youngsters are encouraged to stay away from that technique?

Denis lile and four horsemen of death were something else than today's fast bowlers

I remember watching this when I was a kid. I wanted to bowl more than bat from then on .

I believe to add 5 to 7 kmph speed to measured speed due to technical limitations those days, with today's measuring techniques their speeds would have been 5-7 kmph more....hats off to all legends.

@doctormarazanvose4373

2 жыл бұрын

probably more - somehow Holding averaging 84mph doesn't seem anyhere close.

@foodieranger9652

2 жыл бұрын

No it is accurate measuring. The speed in this era that you see is shown from release until first bounce. The speed back in the days is shown from release until reaching the wickets. So they were bowling approx 152kph on average on the meters used now

@doctormarazanvose4373

2 жыл бұрын

@@foodieranger9652 pulling figures out of your ass ain't doing it for me i'm afraid. The true answer is, we will never know. Seeing as Thomson was recorded in the 70's bowling a ball at 100 mph, by your calculations it was even faster. but... it all depends where the ball pitched...

@jugheadsrule

2 жыл бұрын

@@foodieranger9652 I agree, I think in this competition they were quoting the average speed of the ball not the speed out of the hand. I can remember reading in a newspaper just after this competition that Imran's fastest ball was timed at 154kph.

@kunalsingh3121

2 жыл бұрын

@@jugheadsrule Imran between 1980 to 1988 was sharp 145 km/h pretty much all day...This was a disputed competition in my opinion..1975 cameras were more accurate

I took photos at a Windies vs Australia melbourne test in 75, At 1/500th sec the ball was spherical for Lillee, and smudged ,indicating greater speed, for Thommo.Thompson at his fearsome best, player of the match that test.

@theunquietdead8138

2 жыл бұрын

I recalled Clive Lloyd taking a big step back and to leg when Thommo was at his most fearsome in that game. He must have been terrifying if Clive Lloyd took a backward step.

@ayushsinghchauhan22

2 жыл бұрын

What if it was ur hand shaking....

@sayedrouf6744

2 жыл бұрын

What does 1/500th sec mean

@riqdekneelo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayushsinghchauhan22 At that shutter speed, the players were all sharp the only blur on the Thommo photos was the ball.

@riqdekneelo

2 жыл бұрын

@@sayedrouf6744 old school film/analogue camera; Nikon F2 Photomic with a 500mm telephoto lens, film- Kodak Tri-X ASA 400. exposure 1/500 th of a second.

Why isn't this an annual event? Would be great to watch and a good why to showcase the art of fast bowling.

"Allegedly" - They pulled Thomo out of the bar for this comp ;-)

Great competition between the great fast bowlers of the world.

Thomson bowled a heap of full tosses which the gun picks up as much quicker (we know that now). Some of the West Indian guys were definitely quicker than the speed gun because they bowled shorter.

@utha2665

2 жыл бұрын

The speed of the ball was measured as it left the hand not as it reached the batsman (or where they normally stand) so it shouldn't matter whether they bowl full or short.

@truthseeker3536

2 жыл бұрын

@@utha2665 The ball tends to come out of the hand a bit slower when you pitch it short.

@utha2665

2 жыл бұрын

​@@truthseeker3536 It would appear slower because the radar calculates the ball speed travelling at it. The higher the angle of attack the slower the speed it read by the radar, this is why full tosses are typically recorded at a higher speed.

Gee that was riveting. I wonder why this didn't become an annual challenge.

RIP all those arguments about how fast bowlers were in 'those' days. They were just as fast or rather slower than the bowlers 'these' days!

@abhi739

Жыл бұрын

yes just like football was slower, speed increases every generation

@mirzamubeenbaig2339

4 ай бұрын

hahahahaha so true

147.9 measured at the stumps, that's fucking rapid

@aamirkhan1846

3 жыл бұрын

in those days they used to measure speed of the ball from the time it left a bowlers hand until the it reached the batsman.it lost as much as 10% of the original speed.it's different now, speed is measured in the first 4-5 feet it has travelled after leaving the bowler's hand. So technically thomson bowled at 162.69.

@sagacious345

2 жыл бұрын

@@aamirkhan1846 still a myth.. all theoritical calculations. There is a reason why nobody has bowled faster than just 100mph

Imagine how India's Sunil Gavaskar stood up to them and scored tons of runs! Most courageous indeed.

@sachinjoshi6849

2 жыл бұрын

and that too without wearing a helmet most of the times

@63BH47

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt but all deliveries wont be that quick.

@theunquietdead8138

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but he played mainly on dead, dusty Indian pitches that nullified the fast bowlers.

@hcr2alex714

2 жыл бұрын

@@theunquietdead8138 check his runs in West Indies

@tanvirhussain6075

2 жыл бұрын

No bowler from India?

I have NO IDEA why the issue of fastest bowler was ever an issue! FFS - just count the number of frames from release of ball til when it reaches the popping crease!!! Fewest frames = fastest bowler!!! It couldn't be easier if you have the technological means to count frames (which is surely pretty low-tech). Maybe people like to measure how fast it comes out of the hand but I think that's a side issue: what counted, in terms of giving the batsman the least amount of reaction time or time to adjust, was time from release to being adjacent to your bat or body.......

I’ve always found Thommo’s style to be fairly odd looking so it was genuinely interesting to see it side on in slow motion.

I salute you Richard handlee