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Excellent discussion as always. In my view Starmer is playing the long game on Europe. He needs an unassailable majority of the UK population against Brexit before he makes his move. It’s not there yet but it’s becoming more likely especially if the economy stays in its current paralysis (or gets worse) over the next 2-3 years.
Love your views Brendan, I hope a Labour government does not fall into the Brexit trap
One year later. The Uk lost €130- billions of import income. Which is a loss of more than 3% of their BNP. The UK is really going bankrupt !
UK is a better place in the EU.
When Starmer took over Labour, Brexit feeling was much stronger than it is now. So he was very careful. But the gradual realisation that it has done nothing but harm has changed the political landscape. He has a green light from the majority.
If there's no chance of Sir Keir Starmer going cautious over Brexit. I would suspect that " No!" Is only for the foreseeable time. What he hopes to do is to undo the damage over the course of the next five years of this current Government. It's not a corner but the ability to do so! Might be clearer that the Liberal Democrats might be the main national opposition.
fmo for all not band and bankers ect
The idea that any option of uk on Israel or Gaza is remainants of th idea of the empire and being a super power. Uk's opinions has less weight than Italys or turkeys. Sorry, but you are all delutional and didcussing with yourself. The powers of the world nowadays is US, EU and china. All else is decorations.
It was Gove that kept saying "We hold all the cards". It's amazing how short these politicians memory is when it suits them.
Too hot to handle at present. Review at 10th anniversary of leaving.
Try it and he will lose big time
If he does. It won't be in the immediate time. But after the 5 years of a Labour Government. Starmer might consider pursuing a reapplication for EU. I do see an immediate reapplication but to return completely will take a lot longer than that! Several more years or even decades. Even I would say that we need to get our house sorted out. I would like to rejoin the EU. But currently not immediately.
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It’s sad that two elderly gentlemen think they are smart, but in reality, my 13-year old daughter in America knows more about the EU. She has already started collecting British money as souvenir currency. These guys just can’t speak the true reality because - as we all know - for them, equality equals oppression.
AND BY THE WAY THE NEW FIGS SHOW THAT WE ARE DOING BEATER THEN GERMANY, FRANCDE, ITALEY AND SO ON
AND COMING OUT WITH YOUR NORMAL CRAP AND BULL SHIT
Brexit needs to be undone.
F king REMOANERS!
I repeat. It matters not how many referenda are held, or how many Political Parties, seek JOINING. It is only UE who can decide. This at the moment is next to impossible. To even be considered, Britain would need the unanimous agreement of all 27 Members, many of whom have already said they would NOT support this. Then Britain would have to meet the criteria as laid down by "the Copenhagen Agreement 2009"! This includes adopting the EURO, so I can't see that happening. There is NO CHANCE of a SWISS Style agreement, as UE have said many times; "never again" ! The best Britain can hope for, is a "Trade Deal", like any other "third (non member) country"!
Perhaps you did not follow the piece? It clearly highlights the need to join the euro. The Federal Trust advocates full membership of the EU for the UK. A Swiss style agreement was not even mentioned as it is not only undesirable but unavailable.
Thank you, Brendan and John, for this. On considering the future 5 to 10 years following the UK general election of 4 July this year, it may be worth considering how much the EU may change during this period and before any UK rejoin application would be feasible. For example, 1. Will Denmark continue to enjoy it’s opt-out on the Euro, and, 2. Will Ireland continue to remain outside the Schengen zone? Although, in the case of Ireland, even if the country quits the British Isles C.T.A. and joins Schengen, there is still the knotty question of the N.I. border. Perhaps N.I. could quit the UK to become a British territory under the British Monarch outside the UK along the lines of the Isle of Man ? Then again, another change could be that it may become impossible for the UK to rejoin the Customs Union and Single Market as a temporary interim stepping-stone prior to fully rejoining, as you discussed in the video. Furthermore, the EU may make progress towards a more unified European defence policy particularly following recent military aggression near EU borders. After all, the European Project that gave birth to the EU was initially inspired in the 1950s by the idea that there will never again be war in Europe. The UK may be unwilling to pool sovereignty concerning National Defence. Such possible future developments in the EU could make it a more unified and homogenous structure having the same rules for everyone, thus more difficult for the UK to rejoin in 10 years than today. Brendon and John, do you see these kind of future developments as potential stumbling-blocks for the UK in making a rejoin application?
The UK will in any case not be offered its previous extensive opt-outs. Joining the euro in particular will be an important reassurance to the EU that the UK this time will remain a committed member state. Greater EU integration in coming years will moreover heighten the price of British self-exclusion from Europe.
Some of the things you mentioned I don't understand. 1) what has Denmark accepting or not of the € to do with the obligation for new members to introduce the €? 2) what future development are you referring to when you say that it might no longer be possible for the UK to join only the SM/CU when it is at this moment in time already not possible for the UK?
@@ab-ym3bf The "opt outs" currently in vigour in Denmark (the Euro) and Ireland (Schengen), and indeed the opt outs previously enjoyed by the UK when it was a member, are simply examples to illustrate the previous flexibility the EU, or the E.C. as it was previously known, with regard to its member countries. Back then it seems that cherry picking was entertained by the E.C. for new applicants, or when for example the Euro and Schengen were first introduced, existing members had the flexibility to opt out. This video talks about a future UK application to join just the CU or the SM without joining the EU itself, either with or without commitment to fully join the EU at a later time. My point, in my comment, was to consider that the EU may be becoming harder / less flexible than before. I was wondering whether the privileges enjoyed by Ireland or Denmark for example could be withdrawn as the EU becomes more hard-nosed. Although I recognise that Ireland cannot currently join Schengen because of its membership of the British Isles CTA and because of the Good Friday Agreement (Irish border question). More to the point, this "hardening" of the EU's attitude regarding negotiations with its members may, in 5 or 10 years’ time, render it impossible for an applicant to join just the SM and / or the CU in the future. I don't have any specific "future development" in mind, I'm just speculating in general terms. I seem to remember some time ago President Macron of France talking about a new European "tier" structure with countries being inner / core members and other "periphery" members with looser connections to the institutions like layers of an onion or Russian dolls, but this idea seems to be dropped now. I don’t know why. Maybe the EU is not willing to entertain such an idea? maybe the EU is veering towards a black-and white, all or nothing approach so a country has to be either fully in or else an outsider like the UK?
@@pindarf1 no speculation is needed. There is no 3rd country membership of just the SM and/or CU possible at the moment, so no need to point at a "hardening" stance of the EU making such membership impossible in 5 or 10 years time. It already is impossible. What Macron says is not that important, the multi-tier EU comes up every four years since 2004 and dies a quiet death within a few days, but has been picked up as a straw to grasp on by certain parts of Britain.
@@ab-ym3bf Yet in 1995 / 1996 Turkey entered into a European Union-Turkey Customs Union trade agreement effectively allowing Turkey into the C.U. while Turkey is outside both the EU and EFTA. I think the Federal Trust (makers of the video) entertain the idea that a similar arrangement could be made for the UK. I was wondering whether this may become impossible in the future, however, according to you, are you saying any negotiation of a similar arrangement for the UK is already impossible?
Lammy the idiot will try. Plummy accents live in cloud cuckooland.
Exceptionalism still reigns in England apparently. You can’t ‘unpick’ things. C’mon, guys. Talk about what really WILL be needed to join in 35 years. A written constitution and acceptance of the Euro and Schengen for starters. It’s obvious you both still have no ‘real world’ viewpoint.
The piece recognises the need to join the euro. The Federal Trust has produced several studies on precisely this subject and upon a Federal UK constitution.
Let's hope that Britain returns to Europe and adopts the Euro. The Pound and Monarchy should be ditched asap
"Unpicking" Brexit is beyond the capacity of any British political party. Brexit has happened and Britain is no longer part of the decision making in the EU. If Britain wants to trade with the EU Britain will be required to abide by EU rules and regulations. Rules Britain gets no say in.
EU fart sniffers are still so salty 😂
You are in the minority now as your support dies, as do your supporters. We will join the EU again. The shame is we will be so much poorer for this brexit foolishness. All for this nonsense of sovereignty. We have less power and control now, more immigration. Brexit was a fucking stupid idea implemented badly.
British Labour has guaranteed the protection of Brexit and so the voters of the United Kingdom can be confident that no attempt to dismantle Britain’s independence and sovereignty.
United Kingdom, ???you mean england right???
Brexit dismantles our independence and sovereignty.
God bless your innocence.
Hilarious! Independence and sovereignty? 😂😂😂😂😊
The sooner we rejoin our tax money can bail out the EU. and then Europe can flourish again and we will be bankrupt and swarming in migrants .
No
Apply to join,no rejoin
Un Pick ? You mean have a trade agreement with are biggest market and stop food and medicine shortages ?
Hope he makes it first job to unpick Brexit and make this country wealthy and trading with EU again
This vlog: Two old fifth columnists pontificating. The end.
Fool. The end.
Brexiteers were Putin's fifth column. A few even knew it.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge of course we were. lol.
UK doesn’t decide any of this. Eurozone will not let the UK in.
Ah the Eurozone King!
@@Purple_flower09 Bricks 🧱 loser.
The UK joining the eurozone is the one really significant thing that would strengthen the EU and would be rated by it as extremely valuable.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge UK will not join the Eurozone because Eurozone will not allow it. Try to comprehend that Eurozone is dismantling Londons monopoly over the European banking. This became possible when UK decided to brexshit. This was not possible when the UK was still a member of the Single Market. June 2025 UK will be finally fully out of Single Market and London can’t operate in the EU anymore. SO WE ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE. We are throwing UK out not in. After that we will not reverse the decision because this is Trillions in transactions, hundreds of billions in revenue and tens of billions in tax revenue. Taking UK back is against our financial interests. There is absolutely no way in hell that the Eurozone gives this cake back. In Eurozone everyone is pissed off how UK handles OUR money.
@@JohnStevens-gp7gehow would a recalcitrant member joining the eurozone be a good thing for the EU? 47 years of holding back progress towards deeper cooperation when it was not in the intrest of the UK is evidence enough of the contrary what you claim. And having the UK in the €, and thus having a say? I'm sure Greece remembers Cameron proudly announcing not a penny in aid would go to Greece in its bournkf need, and getting a standing ovation. No thanks, that is not the kind of member any union needs.
Unpicking Brexit? It would be easier to juggle soot or nail custard to a wall. Best of luck for whoever tries to do this, they're going to need it.
I've never understood why a country that can't feed itself should really worry too much about its ability to export food?
Somebody has to have some sense here! The Labour government will have to agree some sort of trade policy with the EU; they happen to be our biggest trade partners!
There is a trade ageement in place already, the TCA.
The Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) between the UK and the EU is not an agreement that does the UK any favours. It was negotiated by our BoZo so that he could then brag that he got Brexit Done!
@@user-bt8cz9nv4x That doesn't concern the EU. EU member states seem pretty happy with the deal and see no reason to change it.
@@frankoneill5675 Yes, and dam shoddy it is too!! Does not cover servics whch is the majority of our exports, and customs friction is killing SME's and inward investment is down as a consequence!!
@@frankoneill5675 ...becase it is almost No Deal and far fra below what was promissed by the Leave cabal in 2016 there is every imperative to change it, which can only meaningfuly mean rejoining!
Brexit delivered - around 90k Europeans leave the UK per annum.
No of course not. They're not paying. We the common people on low income are. 5 % GDP down the bin and who pays. We the common people on low income
No chance of them dealing with poverty, injustice and inequality or anything of any value actually.
All caused by the tories
I have to have a a referendum to apply again to the European Union? The Europeans might make British people have to set very stringed strategies and very strange rules so that they won’t do it again. and to discourage any other European country, which is a member of the year of the European Union from having a exit.
No. Article 49 and Copenhagen Criteria. You have enough on your plate as it is. And why would the EU let you back in? Offer some tangible benefit.
Learn how to write first. Does anyone in England know how to create proper sentences?
Not quite, we just need for your local businesses to fail at the rate they are doing currently, after you become dependant on european farming to sustain yourselves and rejoin with the euro that will be enough commitment, we however will have to wait a decade for that in which the Uk has to sort out public support and remove any political party that supports brexit and keep in par with european legislation and standarts. I would advise also that you invest on tourism the same way the south does.
The joining of the customs union will aid the ailing economy and not break any not rejoining the EU pledge. Before we are reduced to complete penury.
No labour has said it will not try to return to the EU. I'm dutch why do I know this (maybe cause I read it on Labours' website) and are you british still asking these silly question when you already know the answer? And why do you think it is even an option?
I am afraid you have a higher standard of honesty towards pre-election promises in Holland (perhaps because you invariably end up with the compromises of a coalition programme?). Here there is every reason to doubt whether what Sir Keir Starmer is saying is simply to secure the largest possible majority which, under our "winner takes all" electoral system, will give him immense power and very extensive freedom of policy movement (at least after a year or so). Then there are events both economic (de-globalisation) and constitutional (Northern Ireland and Scotland) which will force any UK government to address the damage done by Brexit. This piece is prompted by the clear, widespread assumption amongst the large number of UK voters who now are hostile to Brexit that Labour will, notwithstanding their current statements, will seek to do exactly that.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge We can only hope! 🙄
It's called financial necessity. The UK cannot continue as is without incurring further, and ever increasing, debt which will prevent the most basic of services form being provided by HMG. The Labour Party does not have the absurd 'Brexit freedom' albatross around its neck and viable financial and fiscal policy will be impossible to implement and control without a return to the EU as a full member. It will happen. The only actual question is when, and the need to pursue this matter is existential rather than silly.
@@ianedwards3089 Yes, we can hope and pray for a Labour Party U turn. 🙏🤞👍
@@JohnStevens-gp7geThe continentals do not get how british politics work. You can say one thing but imply another,british people get that. Starmer has to appeal to a wide and varied audience. We all understand we need the Tories gone. By hook or by crook.
Why dont you remainers ever look at the facts ? On Thursday (05 Oct 2023) the independent ‘European Court of Auditors’ issued a damning report on the EU’s accounts for last year, identifying breath-taking sums of expenditure which have either been fraudulent or which it considers to be at ‘high risk’. For yet another year, the EU’s Auditors concluded that the level of error in the EU’s accounts was “material and pervasive”, and have thus issued an adverse opinion on the EU’s spending in 2022. When companies receive such a report they accept it and act on it. Not in the case of the EU Commission, who have arrogantly rejected many of the findings of this independent body they set up. You are supporting a corrupt organisation only a fool would want in that
Is UK government not corrupt? What about the ppe contracts? Did they account for that? Did you brexiteers ask them for account on that? 😅
At least there was a damning report. Where is the damning report on corruption within the UK’s government?
....and the same auditors have reportedly found the EU accounts error free since 2007! Please show me your ref. to this alternate position, as it is one I am not aware of!! What report, when dated and made to whom please? If this is a 'report' in the Express or the Telegraph or the Spectator, then don't bother!
Fiction.
"Facts" from a parallel universe.
It might try, but it will fail. The UK does not want us back and the UK does not want to return.
I think you mean here the EU doesn't want us back? I can perfectly understand why, after all the trouble we gave the EU when we were members and again when the UK negotiated leaving. The SS Brexit has sailed off into oblivion, the EU has moved on and has far more concerns to worry about than the UK rejoining. I'd give it until 2036, 20 years after the Referendum, before even beginning to bother attempting to rejoin. I was and still am a Remainer, but a realist.
@@paultaylor7082 My apologies for the typo. I did of course mean EU.
I'll never forget the Tories claiming that leaving the EU would mean that they could invest more money into the NHS. Then they cheered in parliament straight after the referendum when they managed to pass a bill to ban the NHS from getting a pay rise for another 5 years.
Too late, the UK economy is finished
I m just a german guy and not fluent or an expert in english but didn t Brexit mean leaving the EU? And haven t the UK left alreay? So why everybody in the UK still talk about the Brexit and not about the sovereignty. Cause that is what it s all about, sovereignty. Or didn t i get it? Curiously enaugh no one in the EU talk about Brexit anymore, here you may here about GB beening independent, when even someone talk about it anyway. Perhaps someone can help me to understand.
The consequences of Brexit are much worse for the UK than for the EU. That is why some people in the UK talk so much about Brexit and people in the EU don’t.
@@brendandonnelly1853 yes i understand it and been not surprise but you said "consequences of Brexit" when meaning sovereignity. Witch by the way almost everybody use in comments. Like Experts when meaning immigrants. That is a bit confusing. You know "independed" has a positive attitude for me, some fresh ideas and a vision. Consquences instad ... not so much. So were are they the visions of freedom and sovereignity? Miss them for years now. I mean there had to be some in 2016.
@@brendandonnelly1853 Wrong. Sovreignty is Sovreign.
Let's clear a misconception first; souvereign is where the bribe money goes. Sometimes politicians bribe people, (retirement at 63) sometimes people bribe politicians. (party donations) Second Some tories didn't like some aspects of the EU. Labour hates all of it for what it stands: globalisation. Finally The british people as a whole must learn that the EU is not a self service gas station. It's a political alliance on its way to become a military one. The four freedoms are just the compensation for the people to hand over some souvereignty to Brüssel. So hand over comes first and treats come second. Good boy!
@@MENSA.lady2....mensalady? With that spelling? Really? 😂
Brexit is HISTORY ! You got what 52% of the votes cast wanted. There is NO CHANCE of re-entry !
Oh yes there is.
@@timoakley277 Sir, I admire your optimism, but to re-join would require firstly, the unanimous agreement of all member states. VERY unlikely, as many have let it be known they would NOT support it. And secondly, many dramatic changes would have to be made to meet the criteria as demanded by the Bloc. Again, highly unlikely because the present (feudal system) of governance is too deeply ingrained into ALL levels of British society.
...did all democratic debate then have to cease in 2016 on the matter? If so we are in a dictatorship, not a reprersentative parliamentary democracy that evolves with events!?
@@bryangeake5826 YEP !
Well, the UK Parliament voted in 1972 for us to join what was then the EEC. We then had a Referendum in 1975 as to whether to remain there, which was voted for by a margin of 2 to 1. Cameron, the Tory leader from 2010 to 2016, was worried by the threat of UK, so he promised another Referendum on remaining in the EU, and we had the second Referedum in 2016. So exactly what's to stop us having another Referendum to rejoin? We've had a Tory Government in the UK, in one shape or form, since 2010, but that's almost certainly not going to be the case after the General Election. So as the Government alters, the attitude to the EU might well alter. But I'm not holding my breath. The UK has burned so many bridges here with our EU neighbours that we are considered to be untrustworthy, that needs to change before any rejoining can be considered.
We can apply to join the EU but we will have to fulfil the criteria.
Like everyone else
Wanting to be semi-detached member of the EU was always a mug’s game.
@@brendandonnelly1853 Your campaign to join would do well to make that your prime argument. It amazes me that it seems as if around ninety per cent of pro-EU UK posters on various KZread websites aspire to the retention of the pound and staying out of Schengen, many as a condition for supporting a join campaign
@@frankoneill5675 I never saw anyone say that except you. Everyone knows readmission is not straight forward
@@jontalbot1 Say what?
Although I would vote in a heartbeat to rejoin, my immediate priority is proportional representation. No one party, Labour, Conservatives or anyone else, should *ever* have an absolute majority in Parliament; it ends all effective scrutiny and leads to arrogance, incompetence and corruption. I think other Europeans would look much more favourably on us if they could be sure we would not simply mess it all up again once back in the EU. As a bonus, I would like to see the Green proposal for a fully elected second chamber consisting of members voted in for one, non-renewable, non-repeatable ten-year term. Perhaps candidates could be selected from a shortlist of people with long expertise in valuable areas, representative of *all* of society (particularly disadvantaged groups), drawn up by a commission overseen by a citizens’ assembly, to vet the quality of candidates?
Looking in from the mainland, I can only agree with you. PR is the biggest issue, bar none. However, another major issue is to convert the current gentlemen's agreement with your government into a clear written text that is enforceable and can only be changed by a super-majority.