Perhaps we could relocate the Government to Pitcairn Island and sever all communications ?

@trident6547

Жыл бұрын

There are some 50 inhabitants living on Pitcairn island. What have those poor souls done to suffer such a horrible fate of having toxic waste dumped in their Pacific paradise?

@alanhat5252

Жыл бұрын

@@trident6547 perhaps we could place the 'toxic waste' on a Pycrete barge in the vague vicinity of Pitcairn?

@maggiepie8810

Жыл бұрын

@Trident65 Do you know why Pitcairn islanders have been trying to claim that they're not British (and therefore, UK law shouldn't be enforced on the island) as a legal defence? Not that I'm a massive fan of punishing the innocent for the wrongdoings of some individuals, but I do think that British police (who are also in charge of processing visa claims) aren't in a hurry to process them due to a certain reputation that the island has. Count Dankula has made a video about Pitcairn.

I have yet to see any benefits of BREXIT - all creatives that I know have lost huge amounts of work. Tenors on standby out of work. Musicians now unemployable. Touring Europe now a logistical nightmare. one band I know arrived and their equipment was held up in customs so had to cancel. A friend of mine has a partner in France so can now see her 180 days a year. Travel and work in Europe is now much more difficult - the latter impossible. We lost huge subsidies in arts and science - far more than we gained. Where is the upside?

@ulfosterberg9116

Жыл бұрын

They will soon get gigs in Malaysia and Peru....

@leonardbexter6372

Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to know how many of those musicians and tenors voted to Leave.

@andressanchezcasado4433

Жыл бұрын

Benefits of brexit is like multiplying a number by zero

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

Where did subsidies come from? The taxpayer my family travel to EU regularly no problems.

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 I'm traveling this year no problems at all in EU.

7:05 “If we decide to rejoin the EU we will rejoin the EU” … Erm… don’t the 27 members of the EU have a say in this? Not sure that we’d agree easily!

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

Yep, made the same comment above. I know at least a couple of countries that would want something back for the UK to join

@andrewwatson5324

Жыл бұрын

@@nicodesmidt4034 they may well get what they want and it would still be a price worth paying.

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

It's only the propaganda from people who voted to remain most people realise EU has many problems and despite expansion shrinking in growth since EEC in 1980.

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewwatson5324 yep

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

We don’t want to rejoin

Brits may not want ‘Singapore on Thames’ but they insist on having their cake and eating it. Disappointment guaranteed!

Drowning everywhere, lied to by the tories

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

You mean EU? How things on continent Is EU down to less than 15% of global GDP now despite expansion from 30% EEC days? Germany has 2 million people visit food banks weekly, France has 7 million people without a refering Doctor, Banks Credit Suisse has been bailed out and Deutsch Bank looks shaky, Poland has a shortage of Truck drivers 100000+, vaccine rollout was a debacle in front of whole world laughing, an ally bombed critical infrastructure Nordstream pipeline and Germany and Sweden both say they know who did it yet EU not a word in protest, astounding.

@jasonkingshott2971

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, those Brexit lies, whatever happened to Tony Blair, Blair's Liar-in-Chief Alistair Campbell, Blair's, poodle Adonis, Brown, Tory John Major, Clegg, Tory Cameron, Tory Osborne, Brussel's mouthpiece the BBC, the list just keeps giving.

From the 'sick man of the EU' to the 'sick man of the CTPPTP' what a progress? 😉🤣🤣

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

Uwe in Hamburg, I'd call us the "Free man of Europe", not locked into an antidemocratic, authoritarian organisation such as the EU. "Ode to Joy" is its anthem; at least here the EU demonstrates a hitherto undetected flair for irony and satire. I cannot think of anything as joyless, as bureaucratic, as technocratic, as the EU. The fact is it's frightened of its voters, and aims to control and circumscribe in any way possible.

@flitsertheo

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 The UK is now governed by an antidemocratic, authoritarian organisation called the Tory party, quite an improvement.

@PDVism

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 Let's say you are correct (and you aren't) that the EU is an antidemocratic, authoritarian organisation. The point remains that in the EU the UK not only had a seat at the adult table but help shape and create the rules. In the CTPPTP the UK is sitting at the kiddie table, has no say whatsoever, no power, and perhaps once in a while you'll be allowed to sing a song or show of your cute little dance you made for grandma before politely be told to shut up and go play with your toys.

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

Jealous? And it's the CPTPP, incidentally.

@PDVism

Жыл бұрын

@@lesskeels3417 CP whatever, it's on the other side of the world and it has no real positive influence on the UK economy.

Ships are sinking but orchestra is amazing

When you are used to privilege equality feels like oppression

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

Latin America? Just asking.

The King is naked

@クアジ

Жыл бұрын

quick get the cameras!

The chap on the right said, " If we decided that we wanted to rejoin the European Union, we`d rejoin the European Union." Not so fast, bro : We would ask the European Union if it would have us and I think the likely answer would be "No!" It takes - as you`ll know - every member state of the EU to accept an application to join.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

The point was that membership of the Trans-Pacific partnership would not be a barrier to reentry, as some British Eurosceptics like to claim.

@greattobeadub

Жыл бұрын

Hi, greetings from the evil EU. I think the EU would take the UK back. It would require a very big change in attitude and a large majority in a referendum that has been thought through and where what next is set in stone. Changing the first-past-the-post system should also be a requirement.

@noamfinnegan8663

Жыл бұрын

​@@federaltrust No, it wouldn't, however, Sínn Fein Ireland will be the biggest obstacle to rejoining. I'm optimistic it's probably '48 before england rejoin. No more Great, no more Britain and the kingdom crumbled into the sea. Truth be told. See Rule 303 The guy on the left 🤣🤣🤣 It's over for the UK and it happen in '69. No one listened and it's too late now. "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children" - The people's own MP We've not forgotten or been wasting the decades. We're ready for reunification ✊💚✊ Together we're Better

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

@@greattobeadub I agree with everything except maybe the bit about changing the first past the post system. I'm happy to change it but I don't think that can be made a requirement. I think we're looking at 10 to 20 years before a return.

@prisoneroffortune

Жыл бұрын

27 sovereign nations, each with a vote and a veto. No major changes to the Union without unanimity. Johnson lied.

Just look at how far the former Warsaw Pact have come in just a few decades. The EU is far from stagnant.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

Those who speak glibly about stagnation in the EU are often simply trading on the ignorance of their listeners.

@briancarton1804

Жыл бұрын

@@federaltrust The only place In Europe apart from Russia that is in decline is Great Britain. Northern Ireland is doing better than it has done in years and still the DUP are upset because they did not get a hard border in Ireland.

@Cl0ckcl0ck

Жыл бұрын

@@federaltrust So true! Would Spain have had one of the best train systems in the world without the EU? Would Romania be so busy emancipating its Roma population without the EU? Would Poland not be a junta led fascist state without the EU? All 3 have major beneficial economic impacts but that is really just the smallest part of it. Soon we will welcome our UK brothers and sisters back and make the lessons from this mess another notch overall on the positive side. Now in stage 4 of the 7 stages of grief (over the death of the Empire I think) but lets go quickly to stage 5 'The upward turn'. Cheers!

@marinusvos

Жыл бұрын

@@Cl0ckcl0ck "Soon we will welcome our UK brothers and sisters back" Soon as in approx. 20 years a.k.a. a generation?

@Cl0ckcl0ck

Жыл бұрын

@@marinusvos How long between the fall of the Warsaw Pact and the first EU-member from it? In the Netherlands we have a saying (which no doubt you know) 'The soup isn't eaten as hot as it is served.'. If there is honest desire from both parties to have the UK join the EU with all stuff that comes with then it can go much much faster than those 20 years you mention. But in the long run even 20 years is not that much. Between the Alamo and statehood was also 9 years for Texas for example.

He stated that if they wanted to rejoin the EU they would. Let remind folks that Scotland was constantly told that they couldn't simply join the EU and all member states must agree. Nigel Farages behaviour leaving Brussels left the EU with a bitter taste. Since Brexit the leave voters have constantly ridiculed and shown hate to the EU. Here's this Tory arrogance stating the UK don't need all members agreement just waltz in if they want. They told Salmond the rules so know better. They also said it would take at least 10 years to rejoin.

England don't dictate rules anywhere...anymore.

They'll be celebrating a deal with the Isle of Wight next 😂😂

@juststuff5216

Жыл бұрын

Has the Isle of White got food, because there's a scant amount of it in England at the moment!

@alexanderromanov737

Жыл бұрын

@@juststuff5216 Soon to be even less Justy, just watch, seven British grocery wholesalers have defaulted on bills with European manufacturers and suppliers, and now they are all demanding payment before shipment. And in October checks will further reduce shipments. Sinking ever further. ffs

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderromanov737What a load of utter shyte you’re spouting

A loss of 4% A YEAR vs 0.08% gain over 10 YEARS

@peterclareburt4594

Жыл бұрын

How was that loss of 4% calculated. Is it correct? For how long will that 4% loss extend, every year for ever more or is it a one off hit? Might it one day change to a 4% gain as future time passes and future change impacts. Was this calculation applied to other countries, and if so what was the results.

British goods have disappeared from Spanish shops because of Brexit.

The issue with the British economy isn't resolved by being in or out of the EU or any other group. It's a problem Brits themselves need to sort. Every trading group around the world has it's own opportunities and disadvantages, but it still comes down to getting things done. In or out of the EU, the UK is falling short of it's own potential.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

That's very true, Col Br

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

The UK economy was stagnant for the last 8 years we were inside the EU. So I agree.

@LarsPallesen

Жыл бұрын

Well, cutting ties with your nearest and greatest trading partner certainly doesn't help the British economy.

@tomruddy2592

Жыл бұрын

Getting things done! -- Now that's a new one. Tell that to the Home Office, Whitehall, the Civil service, the House of Lords and lastly the House of commons

@garrywynne1218

Жыл бұрын

@@LarsPallesen - UK trade with the EU as a percentage of total exports has been declining since 1999. More specifically it has declined from 54% of total exports to 41.7% since to 2016. That is a significant drop which demonstrates that membership of the EU is not an economic benefit . Let alone sufficient grounds to consider further political integration. That really is the issue. You can find it here on page 29 . researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdf

Over a financial cliff which will mean more pain and suffering for the poor and disabled people in the uk

@terryj50

Жыл бұрын

The disabled people are suffering as to many eu and British people who can work choose to do 16hr work weeks so they don’t get their benefits cut.

@NeilCWCampbell

Жыл бұрын

@@terryj50 really? Are you sure they choosing that?

@terryj50

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilCWCampbell so if the uk is so bad and all the remainers are so smart why are they still here?

UK didn't need permission from the other states to leave the EU. But permission to enter the EU is required from all EU countries. I don't see the UK getting that permission in the next few decades. Before that, there are very long negotiations and / or UK will have to swallow a lot of bucks.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

Thomas, we don't wish to come back, believe me. Freedom can be a challenge, admittedly; it's also good.

@brendansparks1511

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 Ye ol troll using yet another username.

@tawhv

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 These are really good news. I feared the opposite.

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

There is a lot of chat about these issues on KZread channels but most normal people have no interest in rejoining the EU. Leaving was a bad idea of course but life hasn't really changed much at all.

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Michael the possibility of Scottish independence has retreated greatly in the past two weeks. Of course the movement will pick itself up but come the general election many Scots will be severely tempted to give the Tories a kicking. In a decade or two everything will be different and some of the acrimony caused by the brexiters, both inside the UK and in relation to EU member states, will have died down. Sadly for me that timescale means it's unlikely that I will personally enjoy the benefits of EU membership.

Which countries are in the CPTPP? The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a free trade agreement (FTA) between Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam. The EU countries are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden. It is an accepted economic fact that the further a country is from its trading partners, the more costly it is to do business with those partners. You work it out.

@withcoffey

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Economic Gravity

@garyb455

Жыл бұрын

The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a ray of light, shining in the faces of the EU and supranationalist armies of doom, daily talking down UK Plc, while never having the decency to read up on the constant societal upheavals rocking France, Germany or Holland and their farmers to name but a few. The EU is in terminal decline, even the former EU Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom accuses the EU of navel gazing and has since called for Brussels to apply to join CPTPP

@susannehartl3067

Жыл бұрын

@@garyb455 'The EU is in terminal decline' Did you pick up this phrase from Norbert Handermann recently?

@peterclareburt4594

Жыл бұрын

So if you look at the EUs top 10 trading partners, 6 of the 10 are outside Europe. I.E. 60% The top 3 are China, USA, then the UK. I think it seems nowadays countries and blocs have a whole world viewpoint with respect to trade. In the past certainly proximity was key, but not any more now robotics and digital services have come to play. And I think that whole area is changing rapidly at the moment. Maybe a new world order??😮 The growth we experienced in the last 40 years seems to be accelerating almost exponentially. Where will be be in another decade!!! 😃

@garrysinclair9767

Жыл бұрын

@@peterclareburt4594 A most thoughtful rebuttal. Thank you. You did not address the amount of the EU's total trade which is internal amongst the member countries, however. This I do not know.

The question is. Does the countries that make up CPTPP want uk to join? We have not heard anything from their side yet. If this is uk negotiating with itself it is beyond embarrassing.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

Those who live longest will know most.

@jounik

Жыл бұрын

If the UK joins, it'll do so accepting all the existing rules and arrangements among the founding members so it'll mostly be a way to open British markets to CPTPP goods without having any legal way to regulate them in any way any more. I suppose the CPTPP countries will be open to that, especially since the UK doesn't really have anything to export anymore that _their_ markets would need.

@ausbrum

Жыл бұрын

@@jounik The fantasy is that Britain can export its financil market

@jounik

Жыл бұрын

@@ausbrum Yeah, but without a sizeable home market to base it on it'll really be exporting the market instead of exporting the services.

@alanhat5252

Жыл бұрын

@@ausbrum I read James Clavell's Asian Sage too, very exciting for a young teen to read, as an adult I'm not convinced I would want to hang the future of my country on it though.

Not true when you said "If we decided to rejoin the EU then we would" It would be up to the EU to decide that.

My family have business' in France, Holland, Belgium and UK. My son lives in Toulon and is thriving along with all the European businesses. We are starting the process of closing UK operations and moving them to Holland. It is impossible to make money in the UK outside of the City of London.

@Arltratlo

Жыл бұрын

dont tell that to Brexshiteers, they will never believe you... you need to wave the flag more and start believe in unicorns and a trade deal with the USA!

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

I hope your UK customer market dries up correspondingly

@steverichmond7142

Жыл бұрын

@@mogznwaz We want to supply UK customers but the paperwork and the compliance involved is impossible.

@Arltratlo

Жыл бұрын

@@mogznwaz imagine, buying from the UK and pay 50% VAT on it!!!

“If we want to join the EU, we just join the EU 7:21 That’s not how it works though. The UK can meet the Copenhagen Criteria and when that is done can _request to join_ . It is solely up to the then EU members to accept the UK as a members. (Details matter guys)

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

The phrase “we must rejoin the EU”was meant as the setting of a policy goal for the UK, not as the expression of a right for the UK to be readmitted.

@jmbr7485

Жыл бұрын

If UK liked to rejoin it is going to be in a new conditions ... Not in the old ones, but sure that it will quickly than others

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

@@federaltrust it was about Brandon’s claim and given that multiple viewers stated the same concern, it might be something to think about. Details matter !

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

​@@nicodesmidt4034English don't do details. Agree with you completely, the language and expressions used matter a lot. Entitlement and exceptionalism runs so deep they don't notice details themselves any longer and have to come up with lame explanations afterwards.

@trident6547

Жыл бұрын

UK can apply to join after meeting the Criteria. UK can start the accession negotiations if EU commission accepts it and get a mandate from the Council. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_enlargement_of_the_European_Union Here you can see how the accession process goes.

When analysing these moves. It is important to understand the MP's promoting this and their motivations. The ERG was set up by disaster capitalists, not traditional Conservatives. The EU was clamping down on their lack of probity. Perhaps they believe the CPTPP will have a more laissez faire attitude. They seam to have little concern for the economy, only what they can bleed out for themselves.

@nickdoughty518

Жыл бұрын

Culminating in Liz Truss!!!!

@bryangeake5826

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and I was saying that for years to Brexiteers; and they obviously had not thought about it and wanted the Brexit version that meant more money back in the UK and less immigration. I pointed out that model is false as the EU boosted UK GDP and immigration was necessary and beneficial to an aging demographic! Its at that point I pointed out the ERG was a tax avoiding disaster capitalist cult and were lying, that did not go down well. What happened was denial, evasion and anger. That is still essentially what we still have!

@andrewfrancis3591

Жыл бұрын

@@bryangeake5826 Telling people that they have been drubbed, does not go down too well. I have had these conversations. We need a face saving message with positive outcomes.

@bryangeake5826

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfrancis3591 ...how do you be positive about the EU and our re-joining to people such that believe the EU remains the reason why the UK has vast inequality, and are xenophobic in their outlook. One just cannot be 'positive' about what they are diametrically opposed to!

@andrewfrancis3591

Жыл бұрын

@@bryangeake5826 Re-joining is so far in the future, that talking about it is pointless. The message we need is, the current trading relationship needs reforming. This is becoming obvious to all. The use of the word closer alignment should be left for JRM, let him blurt it out he's a spent force. Failure will leave Conservatives, playing culture wars like the republicans.

I am mildly depressed this afternoon. Just applied for my new passport and the unforgivable fact that it is no longer an EU one. I despise the charlatans who campaigned leave and almost equally despise those who voted for this garbage.

@dogwithwigwamz.7320

Жыл бұрын

My grandfather was born in 1916, in Co Mayo, Eire. Thank God ! All I have to do is gather the evidence. My own father is very much a Brexiter - and he is an excellent man of even temper, fast to make friends, bright both in mind and hand . About a week ago I, just by the way, mentioned that I am a Remainer, smuggling that bit of info into the conversation whilst he pointed out some advantages of leaving the European Union ( I see few good reasons ). He`s rather a sleuth in ancestry, but my position is made more complex in that there is a mistake in a matter of Births and Deaths in the Registry Office which I must somehow overcome or correct before my application to the Irish Embassy for an Irish Passport. All I have to do now is ask my dad to help me. I`m certain he will, given his character.

@richardstone3473

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 My father was a Latvian post war refugee. I tried to get a latvian passport which I am entitled to but was asked for documentation I could not obtain . I spent pushing £1000 and a lot of work but finally hit a bureaucratic wall. I wish you better luck. PS despise for the leave voters is probably too strong but I have every right to be angry at them. My grandchildrens lives are now restricted by this stupidity.

@richardstone3473

Жыл бұрын

@Barry Jones sounds just like the Gurnos Estate in Merthyr Tydfil. Not a refugee or EU worker within 50 miles.

@Vee-jc1qh

Жыл бұрын

The dreaded blue! The PO posted back my now cancelled EU passport, so have stuck the cover onto a passport holder and only produce the dreaded blue when essential.

@richardstone3473

Жыл бұрын

@@Vee-jc1qh Good idea I will do the same.

Is the only benefit to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership is that the offshore accounts of tax evaders will be able to remain in the UK and their money in the stockpiles as an insult to working Brits.

@uweinhamburg

Жыл бұрын

The ratio of working Brits to offshore accounts tax evaders is going down and has been going down for a long time, Dam. As long as you allow Russian oligarchs, African dictator clans and Arab drug smugglers free access to the UK money laundromat you are *Üucked... I have no problems with foreigners, but i accept that some are a bit more special than others...

Who would have thought it would come to pass. The standard of living in Poland has Improved to such an extent due to EU membership, that it is now higher than in Brexit Britain 😂

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

Well I wouldn't go overboard, wages are lower and prices lower but still shortages truck drivers over 100000+ and thankfully still the zloty currency as neighbours found out prices go sky high.

@olearyma57

Жыл бұрын

When Ireland joined EEC (same day as UK) its GDP/ Capita was 2/3 that of UK. It is now over twice that of UK.

@beepositiveforever971

Жыл бұрын

@@olearyma57 Yes, Project Ireland 2040 sounds interesting, in one way or another Ireland has been sold off. The Irish are gradually losing their homeland, and will end up a stateless nation. This is taking place throughout most of the EU countries. And the UK, with which we are fighting for. The West being shredded & destroyed is not by accident.

@joepaluka9031

Жыл бұрын

They do work a damn site harder and they have a much higher savings ratio. That recipe can't fail!

@olearyma57

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyshaw317 Es tut mir leid. Ich kann nicht diese Fremdsprache nicht verstehen. Veilleicht wir werden uns auf Deutsch unterhalten. Ist 'pidgin' Ihre Einzelsprache oder ? Ich kann auch Franzousich schreiben. 'Pidgin' ist nur fuer Dumkoerper. Are you from Pitcairn Island ?..... I don't understand your dialect of 'Pidgin'. Have you lead a very sheltered life ?. Have you not bemefited from an education. Are you already (without the benefit of EU food standards) eating chlorinated chicken - mental retardation is a known bye product. Are you working (no EU employment laws to protect you) for a bowl of rice a day to compete in the Pacific to enhance the wealth of a prospering and multiplying Chinese middle class ?. Well the aparaciks of that system will love you for keeping then for decades secure in power. The city will already - being strategically aware - be busy aking the stupid English Geezer to the cleaners. But I recognise the inferiority complex to a very rich Republic, Here you know you cross the border into the UK when the very modern motorway dissolves into a 1950s A road. A Geezer (nice bloke you might be outside of this very transparent affliction) with an inferiority complex is a pain in the ass. Anyhow keep flying Dads Airline. Remember Ryanair gets you there on time 90% of the time. Provided you pass the Geezer test for 'pidgin'.

Brexit is about a distorted reality: GB believes it was held back by the EU and now, being out, its power will be unleashed, GB put the blame of all its internal problems to the EU, so with Brexit they will all disappear, GB believes that by joining CPTPP the fast developping pace will also GB fast development, etc. The reality is: the UK belongs to the European family (which is a strong and wealthy one), the UK is NOT a locomotive of this union (could become one by solving its problems instead of shifting the blame to others). The EU is certainly not perfect but stands comparison with other unions with flying colors. IT IS NOT AN ECONOMIC UNION BUT AN ALL-INCLUSIVE UNION (yes political too).

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

I don't think anyone really thinks this latest idea will result in much of substance. It's just a handy thing for Sunak to talk about. The best estimates in terms of impact on growth are very minor.

@susannehartl3067

Жыл бұрын

One cannot form a cohesive union without a legislative framework.

@alanhat5252

Жыл бұрын

@johnjeanb, you have an over-simplified & thus distorted view of GB & UK, you describe the brexiteer viewpoint but this the view of a very loud minority, it's definitely not a majority view. I would expect your country has a similar mix, whatever that country is.

@andressanchezcasado4433

Жыл бұрын

EU is a peace project

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

Remind me what are the EU 'values' and why is Hungary being punished?

I am very sorry but even if you decide you want to rejoin the european union, it is up the member states whether they would allow you back in.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

But wanting to rejoin is an indispensable first step, which more and more people want to take.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

Marduk, we don't wish to come back, believe me!! If you wish to tie yourself to an antidemocratic, authoritarian superstate, that's up to you.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

@@massivehero4871 Cheers, Massive Hero. Brexiteers have got to see this through; the pro-EU establishment is again trying to tie us back in. Yes, it is like Stockholm Syndrome.

@skinless333x2

Жыл бұрын

@@federaltrust Of course it is. I am worried when or if the UK applies, some members will be difficult to convince since some actually did benefit by the UK's departure. All of this (brexit) was so unnecessary.

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

It's all going to take a very long time. At this point most people in the UK wouldn't be interested in going back once they knew what the price would be. We're at the start of a very long journey and at this point most people in the UK are not on the bus.

Ruling class in UK just cannot tolerate being part of a foreign group

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

And now joins a foreign group of people on the other side of the planet

@Arckitekt

Жыл бұрын

@@ab-ym3bf Indeed how long until they quit

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

@@Arckitekt indeed. Won't take long before the "we never gave consent" lines will start popping up the moment the UK is flooded with either imported crap or ISDS cases

@terryj50

Жыл бұрын

Can see who the racists are and they are not brexiteers

Permitting Britain to rejoin the EU would be of no advantage for the EU rather it would a liability considering the boorish behaviour of some Tory British MEPs.

Do people not realise that the European Union, will also be making trade deals with the same said pacific countries, albeit from a much stronger position.

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

The EU already has fta's in place with a majority of them. Meaning on EU terms, whereas the UK is signing up to whatever is presented in front of them. Probably only to renege on it in 2 months time, NIP-style.

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Who bombed Nordstream? Germany and Sweden know who apparently but EU silent.

@genghisthegreat2034

Жыл бұрын

@@gnrseanra9070 .....tell us Dean.

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

@@genghisthegreat2034 Well do you think it was six people on a rented boat or yacht? I'm just asking as the amazing EU doesn't want to know or Victoria Nuland and Joe Biden who said they will do.... ??

@genghisthegreat2034

Жыл бұрын

@@gnrseanra9070 .....all very rhetorical and speculative Dean. Is it possible you know as little as I do about who did it ?

These trade deals they keep getting thousands of miles away that are as much worth as a balloon and a goldfish from the fair......

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

Services don’t rely on geographical proximity

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

Do you only go to the little shop on the corner for all your shopping?

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

@@lesskeels3417 No I go to the little shop the medium shop and the big shop because I have that choice depending on what I need.

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

@@mogznwaz Good for you then. There's a big wide world out there beyond Europe, not all of it hostile, go see some of it, I have, USA, Canada, Far East, anywhere at all.

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

@@lesskeels3417 What a weird thing to say. I’ve traveled all over the world thanks, I don’t need lessons from you about how the world works

EU cradle of human rights

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

😂

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

Yesterday's news and yesterday's antiquated trading bloc.

We need to ensure that only brexit voters bear the burden of brexit

@keithswaddling2370

Жыл бұрын

That is pathetic, it is like saying only those that voted for a government that messes up, should be held accountable. Instead of listening to this bias trash why not take a look at the good things to come out of Brexit. It took 40 plus years to get where we were within the EU, and we are only just beginning to sort out all the red tape the EU are so good at creating. Don't forget, also the EU have shown their true colours towards us with all their threats, especially France. These people are just dreaming if they think we would rejoin. If these depressed, defeatist remainers continue to obstruct Brexit, then when we are back on track and doing well, perhaps they should bear the burden of their resentment towards their own countrymen and women. Personally I am sick of hearing their whinging and wining, it has been going on for years like a nagging wife.

@truckerfromreno

Жыл бұрын

Yes, now repatriate the Muslims and get the English in charge of England.

@NeilCWCampbell

Жыл бұрын

Aww lots of salty brexit gammon tears

@jasonkingshott2971

Жыл бұрын

What a clown!

Where are we going ? you say . Anywhere as long it"s away from the fly ridden mainland Europe we know and love - thanks ! .

It is strange that the British public had to vote to join, and leave, the EU yet apparently the Tories don't believe the population should have a right to an opinion on joining another trading bloc, on the other side of the world for a potential decade to achieve a 0.0008% GDP increase is questionable at best, to quote someone I used to work with: Fuck my life! 🥺

@tancreddehauteville764

Жыл бұрын

The Tories only believe in democracy when it suits them - remember that.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

The 2016 referendum had very little to do with any desire of today’s Conservative Party for democracy. It was simply the product of a long-running civil war within the Conservative Party.

@12presspart

Жыл бұрын

yes it is like loseing a pound and finding one pence and thinking you have a good deal

@dambrooks7578

Жыл бұрын

@@12presspart but the 1p is so shiny so that must count for something, at least there isn't 240 of them in a pound anymore 😉

The only thing this agreement will deliver is a few gallons of subsidised palm oil. What a shower of fantasists, I bet these guys can find a positive argument for the DUP stance.

The supporters of Brexit want to discourage the UK’s return to the EU by claiming that joining the TPP makes any return impossible. We should not fall for this propaganda, which has little basis in fact.

@tancreddehauteville764

Жыл бұрын

Of course it's propaganda. We can withdraw from the TPP at any time, just like the USA did recently.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

Difficult though it is for organisations such as yours to understand, ordinary people quite like the idea of genuine democracy, not the sort of limited, faux-democracy practised by the EU. Of course you're in favour of a federal Europe; decisions are then effectively taken behind closed doors, doubtless with the input and unelected and unaccountable quangos and pressure groups such as your own, which then present policies to be approved by the European Parliament, an institution with the teeth of an old crone, or one of Macbeth's witches. Democracy is so tiresome for organisations such as your own, isn't it? There really isn't any guarantee that people will actually vote the "right" way.

@markwelch3564

Жыл бұрын

​@stephen barden we live in a country where about 40% of the vote secures you around 60% of the seats in parliament We have no leg to stand on calling other parliaments 'faux democratic'!

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

No we voted to leave for many reasons Inc the meddling done in a democratic vote, you need to start worrying and the EU and it's direction when it was EEC it had 30% of global GDP now it's less than 15%, influence dying Macron making a fool of himself in Africa so arrogant just like the EU, world is changing I'm afraid.

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

I would not want to return to an organisation that vetoed our proposals some 70+ times over 47 years, it's pretty darn obvious that either you people have total blind faith in that rubbish cartel, and cannot wait to have them start their dirty tricks all over again. We have a real and beneficial opportunity with the CPTPP, let's take full advantage of it.

Eventually it will be revealed that the emperor has no clothes. And there will be a complex arduous task to get back to some sort of normalcy. Good video enjoyed it very much.

The idea that a country or region is to take an important role in the world economy "over the coming centuries" doesn't really tally with climate change or American nuclear aggression. That we'll still be around in centuries living/trading like we are now doesn't compute.

The people should get a vote. This was not an election promise.

People in the UK keep calling it the CPTPP - which shows that they have no idea about it. Yes, that is the current official name, but we all spent 8 years calling it by its old name (when the US was going to join) - the TPP. It was discussed for 8 years because there was a lot of discussion and negotiation required (each nation had to give up various advantages), so we got used to calling it the TPP, which is much easier anyway.

@peterclareburt4594

Жыл бұрын

Initially before expansion it was the TPSEP Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement Which was an agreement between MZ, SG, Brunei and Chile. This was back in 2005, which is an indication of how stupid this man.sounds when he is spouting two years and a few months after the Brexit Transition, th at the UK has not yet got a whole lot if trade deals. Either this man is lying, I.E. Trying to mislead people, or he has no idea about the complexity of trade deals. If he did, then objectively one would have to say the UK is doing quite well all things considered. I think he is deliberately trying to mislead what do you think?

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

Like suvrenty to give up ?

@endintiers

Жыл бұрын

@@nicodesmidt4034 Yes, it is required. Any society requires its members to give up freedoms in order to function - the only alternative is to go live by yourself in the forest.

New Land rover All electric to be built in France by pro leave supporter Sir Jim Radcliffe. As with the petrol diesel ones which Bridgend was hoping to make in the ready made for it former Ford Factory. Thanks Sir Jim for that show of loyalty in supporting British manufacturing and Britain . Questions must be asked.

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

Radcliffe's vehicle is not a Land Rover.

@brubeker12

Жыл бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 correct but my point was location of production and I hear landrover as a vehicle name has been dropped

@brubeker12

Жыл бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 Grenadier thanks for reminding me.

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

@@brubeker12 I agree with your point about some leading brexiteers taking their business abroad though. And sadly the actual new Land Rover is being built in Slovakia.

@brubeker12

Жыл бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 is that the Grenadier Sir Jim Radcliffes project

Because the 12% EU tariff on Palm Oil has now gone down to ZERO (as we are now under the CPTPP regime) - Palm oil will be even cheaper than before in Britain and cash strapped firms will make MORE USE of this widespread ingredient in the full range of their bakery and similar products. This unforseen consequence will result in even more Palm oil production pressure on the environment and clearance of the rain forest and the valuable habitats for orangutans etc in the West Pacific islands - I just wonder where the Climate change credentials of our Government have gone.

Just off the Great Pacific garbage patch.

Thank you for this excellent discussion and expert analysis. The popularity of Brexit is rapidly vanishing!

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

But then what ?

@uqs57bju

Жыл бұрын

@@nicodesmidt4034 Hopefully a change of government. A lie of this size should bring a political party on its knees. That's the main goal.

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

@@uqs57bju true, and I was more talking about “what’s the plan” ,what changes would be required and in what order ?

@alanhat5252

Жыл бұрын

@@nicodesmidt4034 if we can return to a fact-based discussion we can probably work it out from there.

@simon-fn7ju

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid your opinion is wrong. It would be more believable if you walked the streets of the UK and had a conversation with British people... Meaning you don't live here to give a factual representation rather than just your opinion..

Very informative, one small error tho, the UK cant rejoin the EU whenever it wants, the EU doesnt want the UK back, just too much drama (severely oversimplified). The mentality here is basicly "good riddance".

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

The feeling of good riddance is mutual, Tott, believe you me.

@ozzie2612

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 no it's not

The disruptive narcissistic character of British hubris has not been missed much in the EU since BREXIT but it has made opportunities for Hungary´s V. Orban to get onto the pages of the color-illustrated boulevard press as the outlier instead of Boris Johnson.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Joel, UK voters electing a government, then expecting them to carry out those commitments without interference from the basically appointed and the unelected EU bureaucracy. Wow, the sheer hubris and arrogance of it!!

@bryangeake5826

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 ....as equalled by the unelected Lord Frost for one, and even though he was essentially talking to our Civil Service equivalents in the EU Commission, so what you are saying illustrates the ignorance of the EU by Brexiteers, or rather their willful ignorance of it! All bureaucrats are UNELECTED within the EU or the UK!! The EU Council is composed of ELECTED officials and they reported the outcome of the EU-UK negations undertaken by the EU's Civic Service equivalent to the ELECTED MEPs for DEMOCRATIC voting in a PR Parliament!!!!

@brendansparks1511

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 Ye ol troll using yet another username. He has used three different usernames so far on this post.

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

@@bryangeake5826Bryan, the European Parliament has no ability to propose new legislation; yes, you're correct to say that all officials are bureaucrats. In the UK, civil servants(supposedly?) carry out the policies proposed and passed in parliament by elected politicians. That's what General Elections are for; to ensure that the executive is run by elected parliamentarians. In the EU, the parliament debates policies proposed by appointed, not elected, politicians and officials; that is the difference. The European parliament, the elected part of its constitution, has No powers whatsoever to propose new legislation. UK bureaucrats don't propose policy; they act upon policies proposed by the elected politicians. If we don't like these policies, or the competence of the politicians running the government, they can be removed. Good luck with trying to remove EU bureaucrats; let's just say that their accountability to the actual voters is a little on the non-existent side, to put it mildly. I like the way pro-EU supporters always harangue this government; I don't like them much either, but at least we can remove them, can't we? Far from being able to remove their EU equivalents-actually superiors if you're in the EU, as its laws take precedence over member countries' law- most of us don't even though who they are, what their qualifications for the job are, etc. I'm sorry, Bryan, but it's a racket- Empire building by another means, by a control- freak organisation scared of its own voters. I prefer real democracy, not the fake imitation dreamed up by the European Union and its supporters.

@bryangeake5826

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenbarden6121 That is a complete mischaracterisation of the EU, how it works and that accountability there is!! I will respond further when I have more time. But a racket it is not, a regulated alliance it is, and while not a state it has to have law that all agree too, so its not an imposition, it is what we agree to ratify by elected MEPs in the PR EU Parliament that holds all the power!!

Thank you.

So I lived in Germany for 15 years. Do I still receive the pension owed to me or, do I just receive a payment in full?

Are all the English relocating to their island in the pacific?

@deehaytch8442

Жыл бұрын

follow the growth and power.... EU is dead

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

There's always hope.

@olearyma57

Жыл бұрын

@@deehaytch8442 Oh my God. On Pitcairn Island they run two chickens around the yard to live. Acquisition of a third chicken generates an economic growth rate of 50%. Acquisition of a piglet generates a growth rate of over 1000%. The economic ignorance of some people is not a joke. The eagerness to muscle into the parlour when not even invited by the spider is pityable.

@RealConstructor

Жыл бұрын

They can’t decide to sail Great Britain on the Atlantic to America or to the Pacific towards Asia. Hard choice.

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

@@RealConstructor and that is only the decision proces. Let's not even begin to laugh at, sorry, talk about the operational proces.

I fell so sorry for the young people of the UK whose futures have been destroyed by the brexiteers.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

It may be possible to reverse Brexit more quickly than many people fear.

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

​@@federaltrustinteresting claim, but not supported by facts and reality. First to even reach the stage to apply for EU membership a clear majority of the UK population needs to be convinced of joining the EU again. Don't see that happening within 2 years. Second comes the evaluation of the EU of they want to even start accession talks with the UK. Another year or so gone. If positive, the long proces of fulfilling all chapters of accession, of which the UK currently fails half of, on average 5 to 10 years. Finally, some of the current members might need a referendum for UK accession. Add more time and a possibility of veto(s). Don't start telling the public that a quick reversing of brexit is possible when nothing says it is. Or reveal the workings of your magic want.

@didiergasser-morlay2417

Жыл бұрын

@@federaltrust I am one of the numerous european who were sadened by Brexit, but looking at how it went, It will take a lot of time & effort to regain enough trust to be allowed to apply for membership. The worse was that your PM walked back on each and every word given and threatened consistantly to renegade on international treaties.

@Purple_flower09

Жыл бұрын

@@didiergasser-morlay2417 I'm really glad to read your post. So much hatred towards the British on show in the comments. The whole situation is sad for many of us. My guess is that it will take 10 to 20 years to rejoin. At the moment hatred of the UK is still intense in EU countries and most people in the UK are not serious about going back into the EU.

@susannehartl3067

Жыл бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 The hatred is solely on the UK's side. As a German, I was permanently at the receiving end of it. No, it is sadness and disappointment, not only because that UK has choosen to leave but the attitude during the negotiations and afterwards.

Down the rabbit hole to join Alice in her search for unicorns

UK have to fallow their rule

@deehaytch8442

Жыл бұрын

its rules the UK make, and rules which are already aligned with the UK..

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

You really don’t have a clue WTF you’re talking about do you 🙄

The great promises the dumb fell for🎉🎉🎉

The future is called EU

@garyb455

Жыл бұрын

The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a ray of light, shining in the faces of the EU and supranationalist armies of doom, daily talking down UK Plc, while never having the decency to read up on the constant societal upheavals rocking France, Germany or Holland and their farmers to name but a few. The EU is in terminal decline, even the former EU Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom accuses the EU of navel gazing and has since called for Brussels to apply to join CPTPP

@juliane__

Жыл бұрын

@@garyb455 If you have to cling to a little straw, even it can't support you. I have to confess, i'm guilty of feeling a bit satisfied with Britains downfall, after all these Brexit annoyances. In the light of a staunch Brexiteer, the feeling rises up till i laugh. But you can feel save, the Remainers will save the day for you as soon as they take over and normalise relations.

@andrescasado5975

Жыл бұрын

Scotland and NI maybe. We love you

@stephenconway2468

Жыл бұрын

@@garyb455 Do you have any stats to back up your view? Nope. I do.

@deehaytch8442

Жыл бұрын

the future can not be the EU,

I love your sense of humor Mr Fox, it lifts the spirit and your brevity of the gravity of situation Scotland. As the severity unfolds large majorities are gonna be mighty mighty angry, the reverberations will hit the world, re-examinations & yet more awakenings through the unraveling of crime. I'm glad to find you and commentary, thank you.

So true! Well said, sir.

Dont say united kingdon this is all on little england and wales. Scots and NI'ish voted against leaving.

How much GDP? 0.08%? WOW.

@uweinhamburg

Жыл бұрын

Latest forecasts were 0,08% for ten years...!

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

I'd take my chances with the CPTPP rather than go back to that absolute s***shower the EU any and every day of the week, day, month or year.

@bertoverweel6588

Жыл бұрын

@@lesskeels3417 Good for you, because now the UK is in the CPTPP they can't join the EU again, thank God.

Also, what makes people think that the EU (A much larger market than the UK, hence has much more leverage) can't get the same deal or an improved upon deal the UK gets?

@LarsPallesen

Жыл бұрын

Most of the UK's post-Brexit trade deals have simply been pice-meal agreements they've had to make with individual countries to KEEP the same terms they had as part of EU.

@lets_discuss5352

Жыл бұрын

What! What are you saying ... we were told everyone was lining up at Dover and Heathrow to make a deal with UK; there's no way countries would give a better deal to the EU compared to such a lucrative and sought after market as the UK (a country with shortage of labour, falling healthcare and public services, and a visionless, spineless, and lying polity). Get out of town ... how can you even think of such a thing!

We listened to the headbangers no look where we are

@jasonkingshott2971

Жыл бұрын

Yep, out of that declining, toxic organisation.

Is the motivation not that by hastily becoming apart of the pacific agreement the Tories exclude us from rejoining Europe.

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

It may be part of the subjective motivation, but it has no objective validity. This Partnership will make little or no difference to our ability to renter the EU.

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

No, it is to score a "brexit win" by pointing out to the gullible thst the UK once again belongs to a big block, and one that is growing faster, better, world-leading blah blah blah. You get the drift.

@jounik

Жыл бұрын

@@ab-ym3bf I suppose the bit where the growth of that big block would be partly fed by stripmining the British economy doesn't get much airtime...

@alanhat5252

Жыл бұрын

@@jounik is there much left to strip-mine? Haven't the Tory-backing hedgefunds already picked the bones clean?

When was the referendum?

Welcome to Britcairn 2.

most important part beginning at 12:50 BEGIN OF QUOTE "I think it's difficult to to depict one single philosophy of brexit the one of the problems about it is that it's a result of a number of different and sometimes conflicting philosophies on one philosophy that you talk about is exactly that Europe is in terminal decline but the hope is that somehow the UK will be able to save itself from this um this ship ( I hesitate to talk about rats leaving sinking ships but certainly that is the idea) um that somehow the United Kingdom can isolate itself from the contagion of Europe now this is all all nonsense and of course Asia over the coming decades and centuries is going to play a larger role in the world's economy ... ... that the British electorate on the whole wants they they don't want um Singapore on Thames and I think that as it has become clear that for some of the Advocates of brexit that was the the all and end-all of brexit in order to clear the way for a more radical Market liberal uh model of society in the United Kingdom um so the popularity of brexit has declined" END OF QUOTE IMHO Seen from the continent the paradoxies were evident and many Europeans and Britons living in Europe wanted to warn but hadn't given a voice in the discussion. And here is the thing: AS LONG AS the UK Is unable to have an adult conversation with itself we Europeans do not want them any longer in the EU! regardless of net benefit or loss. You have to find Your democracy again, it had been lost. The downfall will continue as long as there is no consensus reached WHICH Brexit the majority wants!

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

The only possible basis of consensus for the UK is to rejoin the EU as fully committed members. Any other agenda will always fall apart through its internal contradictions.

Up a certain creek, no paddle

@gloin10

Жыл бұрын

And then the Brixiteers took a double-barrelled shotgun, pointed it at the bottom of the canoe, and pulled both triggers......

Actually there are other British possessions in the Pacific than Pitcairn Island, but none permanently inhabited.

@stewartmackay

Жыл бұрын

"The Pitcairn Islands (Pitkern: Pitkern Ailen), officially named the Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands, are a group of four islands in the southern Pacific Ocean. The islands comprise a British Overseas Territory (formerly a British colony), the last remaining in the Pacific."

@JohnStevens-gp7ge

Жыл бұрын

@@stewartmackay Exactly. The criteria for membership being a Pacific Ocean country is very clear in the CPTPP establishing agreement. I am of course lobbying Lord Frost (who understands such things) to secure a posthumous pardon and honour for Fletcher Christian (KBE?) and his comrades and a formal celebration of their status as Brexit heroes.

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnStevens-gp7ge kzread.info/dash/bejne/i5-HzLSRnrvAXZs.html

@olearyma57

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnStevens-gp7ge Nice One.

When will UK join NAFTA❓❓❓

@mariobeauchemin7943

Жыл бұрын

NAFTA means "North America Free Trade Agreement"... The UK is not exactly in North America...

@tott598

10 ай бұрын

@@mariobeauchemin7943 exactly 😉 Maybe they can join ASEAN after that too 😁

We had 170 trade deals via the EU and since Brexit we seem to have lost 100 of them. Can anyone explain?

@federaltrust

Жыл бұрын

An island obsessed with a false concept of sovereignty can rapidly become the equivalent of a desert island.

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

​@@federaltrust Can you explain the false sovereignty part? I screen shot everything.

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

​@@federaltrust For education.

Brexitariat twaddle further debunked, day by day, the sheer imbicility of Brexit is laid bare. I await with baited breath, the latest speech in Vietnamese by Jacob Grease BogWash in Hanoi, as he champions the virtues of Johnny Foreigner relations with the other side of the planet, as part of his roving role, as the ambassador for smelly underpantz.

Navel gazing when critical decisions need to be taken

@alanhat5252

Жыл бұрын

taken by whom?

I hope that UK never come back to EU....

@zeberdee1972

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry we won't .

@NeilCWCampbell

Жыл бұрын

Cool opinion bro. But unless you part of EU political discussion who cares

@annemitchell6144

Жыл бұрын

@@zeberdee1972 Good

@truckerfromreno

Жыл бұрын

The EU is breaking up. More likely that Euro countries will try the UK common market.

@NeilCWCampbell

Жыл бұрын

@@truckerfromreno citation required for your claims above

I guess the Brexit honeymoon period is coming to an end, and the stark reality is descending; who can we volunteer as scapegoats for the self-inflicted disaster, which it seems will only get worst with time.

@davidevans3223

Жыл бұрын

Admit it you are confused about where the sun goes at night arnt you

@lestrem11

Жыл бұрын

Get out more. Nobody has noticed it child.

Yes but what has this got to do with the price of Marmite, HP sauce and crumpets?😀🤣

Yeah when the light g out on the titanic

For many voters Brexit is primarily a deeper desire to take back control from Brussels. Remainers could not see that Brexit is not only about the economy and that is the reason they lost the referendum.

@JohnStevens-gp7ge

Жыл бұрын

I think you are quite right that this was one of the (many) serious flaws of the Remain campaign in 2016 (George Osborne imagining he could reprise the economic fear campaign which (narrowly) won the 2014 referendum in Scotland). But the Federal Trust has always believed the process of European unification, represented by the EU, to be far broader: primarily about preserving European political, economic, social and cultural strength in a global context. Democracy is critical to European identity and with globalisation having internationalised (and thus rendered more powerful) so many economic, social and cultural processes, unless democracy in Europe is capable of internationalising itself, going beyond the traditional nation state, so as to be empowered to meet and manage and legitimise such processes, it will be overwhelmed, suborned and die. I also think British, English identity is rooted in some 3000 years of shared European history in its many forms, and should not discard this on account of the special and unrepeatable global history of our last 300 years. In some respects I regard rejoining the EU as essential for us to take back control of that deeper reality, which Brexit seems bent on denying, with potentially very grave consequences.

@thenorfolkst

Жыл бұрын

What have we got more control over now tho ? We’ve lost out place at the table on the world stage .

@Minime163

Жыл бұрын

So basically Brexit got passed because the leave campaigners were better bullshitters than the remain campaigners

@andrescasado5975

Жыл бұрын

The King is naked

@gnrseanra9070

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnStevens-gp7ge I'm afraid the world is changing and nationalism is alive and well, the EU despite expansion is slowly losing influence and growth in world markets, Macron in Africa is a good example, arrogance beyond belief. Germany has energy costs spiralling and Business leaving like BASF to Asia or US, energy costs caused by a possible 'ally' and Germany and Sweden both know who blew up pipeline but EU total silence apart from Clare Daly, 2 million people visit food banks weekly in Germany, France has 7 million people without referring Doctors Credit Suisse has been bailed out Deutsch Bank looking shaky and that is just a start, people on this page forget the grass isn't always greener....

A most wonderful, intelligent and pithy discussion from my favourite gentlemen doing their Waldorf and Statler impersonation.

TLDR: to the sh*t hole!

No Brexit is not falling apart. We wanted control of our laws and constitutional law back. The Tories did not deliver Brexit: they delivered, with the help of parliament, a terrible form of BRINO. a withdrawal agreement like a ball and chain, and stitching up Northern Ireland. It is NOT fantasy thinking to be a completely independent nation, and the losses you assert are exaggerated to the extreme

@Fontsman-14

11 ай бұрын

The UK dumped it's biggest trading partner. For what? Some stupid concept of sovereignty. What sovereignty? The US deal was a joke! The Pacific partnership still requires meeting pre-existing conditions in the same way as the EU. The toffs in their London bubble, think the UK alone has world influence. We are now a gnats fart in the scheme of things.

@rodthesodful

11 ай бұрын

When was the referendum to join this new club?

@rodthesodful

11 ай бұрын

So when will we see the benefits you say we are going to see.

The idea that re entering the EU is as smple as the UK deciding it is beyond simplistic. Brexit prooved the the EU can perfectly manage without the UK. It will take large amount of eating humble cake on the Brit part, and hoping every EU nation is willing to vote in favour of their return.

@gazza595

10 ай бұрын

No, in due course the UK will rejoin the EU and the EU, as a number of their senior diplomats have already said, will happy with it. We need the EU to prosper and the EU will be happy to add our economy and 65m+ population to their market. It has also the benefit to the EU of stopping the ridiculous drift towards a "Singapore on Thames" model that would be damaging for everybody. In the UK we need to remove the conmen and scammers who got us here and make some much needed reforms but it's inevitable that in time the UK will be back in the EU.

@bazrobb6242

9 ай бұрын

Brexit has been scrapped by the tories they have not honoured the legal referendum vote they are pure scum and should be in jail .

@antonioguerreiro1615

9 ай бұрын

trust me we do not want you back stay away bye bye @@gazza595

@SPIDERM0OSE

7 ай бұрын

@@bazrobb6242 I totally agree & disagree with this comment.

Bollox to Britain,….karma,…..

Brenden as a staunch lying remainders what's your complete unbiased voiew

Whats to stop France, & therefore the EU joining the CPTPP on the same grounds that the UK joined it ?

Brextremists are entitled to have the Brexit & Extreme Brexit that they voted for in 2016 & 2019, they did get the majority vote. But because there is a dramatic negative economic effect on the UK which is in direct opposition to the Brextremists assurances of 'sunny uplands' and 'easiest trade deals in history' etc. They must support their belief in this warped brexit ideology with their own money. A new Brexit tax needs to be applied to Brexit voters and supporters until the Brexit economic unicorn is found by them. It is estimated that Brexit costs the UK economy at least £100 billion per year therefore we divide the loss by 17.4 million brexit voters = £5700.00 each brexit voter per year. The first 3 years or so 2016 to 2019 the UK was in transition so we can give them the benefit of the doubt and no charge will be levied. Then from 2019 to 2022 that is a further 3 years, and things are getting worse, therfore the first Brexit tax bill for each Brexit voter is £17,100.00 with a further £5700.00 charge in 2023.

@gordonfleming458

Жыл бұрын

You are a silly person 😢

@kevinyoung2469

Жыл бұрын

@@gordonfleming458 Better silly than totally stupid, like people who thought Brexit was a good idea and actually voted for it. Brexit is a clear case of self harm for citizens of an Idiocracy. 🤪🤪🤪

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinyoung2469 What a lot to say basically nothing at all. All this remoaning seems to go round & round in ever-decreasing circles and end up devoid of all logical sense and reasoning. Basically, if any remoaner went back to the EU tomorrow & said "please, can we rejoin?" and the EU told them " NO YOU CAN'T" then what would be the offshoot of that rebuttal, I wonder?

@kevinyoung2469

Жыл бұрын

@Les Skeels I never mentioned anything about rejoining the EU as that is probably not possible in the near term. But in the meantime, the costs are racking up for the UK economy. None of the promised positive economic Brexit benefits have appeared. In fact, Brexit is having an increasing negative economic effect. Therefore, those losses needed to be paid for by the people who ignored economic facts from experts and still voted to harm the UK economy to satisfy their desire for "sovereignty," which the UK always had.

@gordonfleming458

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinyoung2469 and you think that there’s no problem in Europe most of the extra costs are due to a pandemic and a war as for shortages of workers that is a worldwide problem but very convenient for the losers to blame brexit for everything ??? Also the extra costs going to net zero please get your facts straight

Be honest .I said this in 2015 ,still true:lots of brits are convinced GB is located somewhere between Australia, US,Canada and India.long live the empire 2.O

Part of the problem of British membership of the EU was that even those politicians and commentators in this country favourable to British membership of the EU often thought that they could redefine the EU in a way favourable to their preconceptions. When it worked within the EU system, the UK was highly effective. It predictably failed however to change the EU into simply an intergovernmental trading agreement.

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

The problem is not that they failed to steer the EU in that direction. The problem is they wanted to steer the EU in that direction, whereas the basis of the EU and its ultimate goal is the opposite direction. If you're the only one shouting in the desert you have to ask yourself why the others have remained in the oasis.

Don't like my comment is it? It must have hit a raw nerve. It has been deleted twice now, no foul language, no swearing, no racism, just a bit of dry humour/sarcasm, but apparently someone must have taken issue with it. More like got it's knickers in a twist hehe

This government seems to be in favour of referendums in specific and limited circumstances.

@nicodesmidt4034

Жыл бұрын

Yes, where is the (CP)TP(P) referendum ?

What we are currently witnessing in the UK is the collapse of an 18th century autocratic class society. The UK in its present form isn't worth saving it, and as a matter of fact it already has become irrelevant. Come back when you have grown up.

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

Disgraceful and ignorant comment. Please justify why you think being part of the EU political club is mandatory.

@franswiggers601

Жыл бұрын

@@mogznwaz Credit where credit is due. You seem to forget the enormous amount of lies and insults that came into our direction issued by brexiteers. Fact is that British society is still a class-based society.

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

@@franswiggers601 The Netherlands is a place where they wash their livestock and their consciences three times a day, and they still come up smelling of **** .

EU pensions were always paid by the proposing country.

@olearyma57

Жыл бұрын

Thats why we are taxed to pay for divorce deal to support Nigel Farages very generous EU pension.

Thanks for your insight

By disrupting trade they have reduced areas of England to Lagos standard of eating

@lestrem11

Жыл бұрын

Not in Birmingham. It is impossible to get a table on a Saturday night at a decent restaurant.

@rigelkent8401

Жыл бұрын

@@lestrem11 I ment the lack of short life fresh food like tomatoes and cucumbers the are always the first to go when trade is disrupted

@lestrem11

Жыл бұрын

@@rigelkent8401 Move to Birmingham mate, no shortages here and never have been any.

@SPIDERM0OSE

7 ай бұрын

@@lestrem11 By decent restaurant you mean Indian.

@lestrem11

7 ай бұрын

@@SPIDERM0OSE Not at all, it is all about, service, value and quality. Decent pubs and restaurants are rammed.

Whoops looks like we won't be forgiven for voting the wrong way, lol

Not too many people understand world trade. The idea is to fleece the poor and meek and sell their efforts for maximum profits. High St rakes in trillions while serfs eat porriage India for 250 years was and is a current example of this play as is China. The reasons for Brexit were complex but the Sq Mile of London never like the Order that was growing within the EU, so the jitters got the better of them.

What a bounty .An arrow maker and a Christian

Brexiteers should be treated with nothing less than contempt …

@stephenbarden6121

Жыл бұрын

And you still wonder why you lost the Referendum. You sound like some sort of 18th century Tory squire, fulminating and fuming at the rebelliousness of the lower orders. Amazing how intolerant those who preach tolerance can be, isn't it?

@peteshand543

Жыл бұрын

​@@ellenoneill7853 Ha ha simper simper..well at least you have your Sovereignty....oh hang on, you had that before..even though there is no such thing..

@jasonkingshott2971

Жыл бұрын

Nothing contemptuous about the democratic majority of the UK voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.

@ozzie2612

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonkingshott2971 your first 2 lines described the tory part spot on

@jasonkingshott2971

Жыл бұрын

The difference being, the UK electorate will decide who run's their country, next year, how does the European electorate decide their EU president?

Brexiteers always going on about the will of the people etc. yet its funny how we never got a say in joining the CPTPP.

@mogznwaz

Жыл бұрын

CPTPP is a trade deal - it demands nothing of our sovereignty or our borders of our laws. Unlike the EU political project.

@pauln6803

Жыл бұрын

​@@mogznwaz Incorrect. Just like any trading bloc there are rules and courts. We've already agreed to lower our food import standards for Australia, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if this has strings attached. Of course since the Tories voted to take away parliamentary scrutiny of post EU trade deals we may not get to understand what the impacts are until UK legislation is changed to suit. £1.8bn after ten years... I bet there's a membership fee too.

@jasonkingshott2971

Жыл бұрын

@@pauln6803 There is no EU political BS, a silly flag or a silly anthem. The EU had many opportunities to change their anti democratic, unaccountable ways, they didn't and we all know what happened next.

@pauln6803

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonkingshott2971 You been listening to Farage again? Explain the EU's anti democratic stance when it has a publicly elected parliament that has the final say on every proposal. You know, those elected representatives that once included a certain Mr Farage and associated grifters and swivel eyed loons? Yeah that's totally undemocratic when the public can choose representation that might well be hostile to the whole project 🤣 Is your MP going to get a vote in the CPTPP? Or on any future trade and cooperation agreements? Oh that's right, the Tories voted to remove parliamentary scrutiny from trade negotiations and not publish the documentation on the deals they sign. Speaking of Farage, didn't he have an appalling record of turning up to parliamentary discussions and votes? And get slapped for misusing expenses to fund his own political activities!? From what I've dug up, he hasn't changed his dodgy behaviour either, with lying about his marches being cancelled, standing down candidates in projected Tory seats and not returning their money and then dissolving the brexit party that people had paid money to join, to fronting a very shady £200 financial newsletter that one REPUTABLE financial advisor said it would be a quick way to lose a lot of money if you took the "advice" in said newsletter. People choose lazy grifters and proto fascists to represent them and wail and blame others when things turn out shit. One day kid, you might wake up to the fact that if people choose lazy grifters and proto fascists to represent them then they are only shooting themselves in the foot.

@lesskeels3417

Жыл бұрын

@@pauln6803 Have you been listening to all that outdated EU spin-doctoring again? This crowd are going out of favour faster than a soft-boiled egg from 2 days ago. The CPTPP will only expand and get bigger, unlike the retrograde EU,