Drifting with the wind, exploring new horizons on a hydrofoil. Join me in my journey and maybe gain insights as I navigate the world of downwind foiling.
Hi do you do some dockstart ? Do you think going below 45 skinny stab is a good idea to pair with artpro 1201 ? Thank you
@stkl2314 сағат бұрын
Oh your girlfriend isn't at home so you FINALLY have some time to go surfing 🤣
@andylitespeed16 сағат бұрын
Nice one! Good looking proto Axis DW board too.
@apricotscrub19 сағат бұрын
any wave swell or just pure wind swell?
@griffinbrungraber9498Күн бұрын
Fun to push a smaller board setup, until conditions fade! Do you have the spec’s on your friend’s north foil setup?
@downwind_drifter1040Күн бұрын
This board might be a touch small for me on the first attempt but I could get used to it if I had to… believe it or not it’s actually easier in the lighter conditions! You don’t need speed to get a big foil up mostly just movement and this board allows plenty of that, and once the foil activates, if you can un weight the board it comes right up. I’d have no chance on this thing in bigger bumps with a smaller foil. I got skunked just like that on the next size up the other day… paddled for 8km 🤙😵💫🤙
@downwind_drifter1040Күн бұрын
Can’t share the specs on the north gear sorry
@beasho13 күн бұрын
Awesome keep pushing it. How much did that board weigh? At 105 Liters a custom build, or even well built homemade board should be ~ 9 lbs. That board is likely 30% to 50% heavier than it needs to be.
@downwind_drifter10403 күн бұрын
Havnt weighed that one, my guess stepping down from the bigger ones would be 6.6kg I’m definitely looking at customs and such for the reasons you point out. But also I got a price for a Kalama a couple weeks back from Australia it was going to be $4000 delivered to NZ… I could buy another 2nd hand Toyota Corolla for that! My next vid I’m riding a 95L 6’10 18” 🤙🤙
@bigtone6673 күн бұрын
Having watched a few of your 1401/35 skinny sessions, I decided to invest in a 35 skinny (already have the 40 and 45). I was completely surprised at the difference between the 40/45 and the 35. Everything seemed to be faster, (upwind speed, turns), my ripple glides seemed to be smoother and longer and my pumping felt better. We have 30 knot conditions tomorrow, so it should be glide heaven.
@downwind_drifter10403 күн бұрын
I’m stoked for you! I’ll be careful not to upload too many chopped rear vids 😅 30kts is exciting. I’ve just had a no wind rest day and I can already feel my need to dw growing. Tomorrow is likely another rest day due to wind or perhaps I’ll do a short light wind run with the 1401 35 combo. Thanks for letting me know and sharing the Stoke 🤙🤙
@bigtone6672 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 Well I happened to have an advanced sillyshort fuse sitting around, so I put the 1401 and 35 rear on it. More surprises..... Doing a rocker start with a wing is unbelievably good and the general pumping is vastly improved.
@downwind_drifter1040Күн бұрын
@@bigtone667 yea nice! Any cons for you? I find it twitchy being powered up with the wing… 🤙🤙
@bigtone667Күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 I think if there is a choppy swell or cross swell it could get quite interesting with random and sudden lift for the 1401 and much shorter fuse.
@ijpopoff3 күн бұрын
Great session!! Appreciate your commentary wrt technique to get up on foil, how to read the water. Keep sharing the stoke.
@downwind_drifter10403 күн бұрын
Thanks for saying 🤙🤙
@stkl234 күн бұрын
Did you get a new deck pad or is this some super secret successor to the current 8ft downwind board? Regardless, the gray pad seems a way better choice than the previous white. Mine doesn't look good anymore.
@downwind_drifter10404 күн бұрын
This deck pad is very good! Robust and grippy. No secrets and no successors as yet… this is one of many prototypes that get built to test the latest ideas. 🤙🤙
@Jeff_Rowley4 күн бұрын
Inspiring stuff mate! 🙏 Love the rear wing study... 🔍 so much potential
@downwind_drifter10404 күн бұрын
Thanks 🤙🤙 I’m hesitant to cut the 35 down past where it is now at 270mm span… but I will make a template to save this shape, as it feels sweet! Perfect for the bigger foils, un tested with the smaller ones yet.
@markreadett74124 күн бұрын
Good average speed ,moving along really well 🤙👌
@downwind_drifter10404 күн бұрын
She’s a slippery one! 🤙🤙
@mikewhite1884 күн бұрын
Hi, it’s great to see you exploring the 1401’s full speed range. As an ex hang glider test pilot I spent a lot of time exploring a wings low speed flying characteristics. 1401 stall breaks at 13km/hr(splash down. 14/15km will be the wings mush mode/beginning to lose lift and poor directional control. Then you have “min sink” or call it max lift which should help you climb mast as well as staying on slow bumps. Speeding up somewhat you will then find the max glide speed. Harder to quantify with only75cm of airspace to play with but I bet you have this subconsciously dialled in. Then V max where the drag prevents you going any faster. Have you considered fitting a velocitek speed puck to your board for real time water speeds. I am just starting my foil/downwinding journey. I ride with you every morning after you post streams-Mike
@jsibleytube4 күн бұрын
Great comment! I wish I could find further education on this topic, detailing the varying lift/drag characteristics of foils and physics through their range of speed and roll/bank. Even just these general concepts (stall break, min sink, v max, etc.) are new to me. We are missing that info. Do you publicly post your findings/experiences?
@downwind_drifter10404 күн бұрын
Those speeds sound about right from my experience. The foil is tested extensively with software. I could get a bit more accurate with my own speed capturing but I don’t have the time to work with it… I’ll leave that to others. There are som many parameters when using the foil in real world conditions, with bumps and water type/qualities… Im not sure how much a deep dive” will help. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts though and perhaps how you think you experience can translate into water based results. I imagine there is a lot of crossover and wonder where the greatest differences will be besides fish! Perhaps the refractions we face with the swell energies bouncing around all over the place? I wonder how these compare to air turbulence and such. I used to sky dive a lot, I remember being very scared the first time I stalled a parachute for the sake of learning… terrifying stuff! I can imagine it would be even more so with a hang glider. Thanks for the great message 🤙🤙
@bigtone6676 күн бұрын
Did you lose your sunnies? Beautiful looking day :-)
@downwind_drifter10405 күн бұрын
Sunnies went into the front pocket of the pfd 🤙👀🤙 I don’t really wear them unless I’m getting a migraine which does occasionally happen.
@bigtone6675 күн бұрын
The quick flash of glare from sun and water does the same thing me
@downwind_drifter10405 күн бұрын
@@bigtone667😵💫
@mytubehkjt6 күн бұрын
What about wearing a type of wingsuit to get some further assist?
@downwind_drifter10405 күн бұрын
I’m mainly just surfing the bumps, I don’t really need assist if the bumps are good. It’s nice not being too complicated out there 🤙🤙
@DannyCruzCreations6 күн бұрын
You think the 1180 paddles up easier than the 1201?
@downwind_drifter10406 күн бұрын
Currently I’ve been struggling to paddle up the 1180 as easily as the 1201, in bumps. I can still get it up fine but it seems to require more strength. I can feel the resistance of the 1180 in the water when I get up to foiling speeds. It’s something that I feel I’m having to overcome… In that same moment with the 1201 I wouldn’t be feeling drag and could glide away. ^ this could be due to my current skills, and familiarity with the high aspect foils at the moment. As I’m thinking about it now the 1180 might need more pump than paddle when getting close to takeoff. Hope this helps 🤙🤙
@DannyCruzCreations6 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 Thanks. I really appreciate that. I've been back and forth about this topic for weeks but I keep getting distracted. I'm replacing my HPS 980 since I'm always riding my ART 999 when it's light (winging). But I want to get an even lighter wind foil like 1030, 1180 or 1201, for winging... but to also use it for DW. Would be assume to LIKE the one big foil for both disciplines. Yesterday I went out and paddled around on a foil SUP (too wide for getting up in flatwater)... but it reminded my I have to make a decision on this soon and just get it done. Still leaning more towards the 1201.
@downwind_drifter10405 күн бұрын
@@DannyCruzCreations you’ll likely end up with both eventually so don’t sweat it! 1401 is my go to for light wind… it covers 3/4 of my dw runs and is what I’d grab for light winging too. It is the true a-b connector when nothing else cuts it.
@DannyCruzCreations5 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 Thanks. That's definitely something to keep in mind. If I can afford it after getting the 1201 I'll consider it. I need to bridge the gap after after the 999, and that's a big jump to get to 1401.
@DannyCruzCreations4 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 I just ordered the board. Went 8'2" x 21 x 121L. I would have loved Axis, but they're hard to come by unless you wait months and I'm impatient. I'm now fully considering the 1401 to maybe make my life easier.
@user-dp7nq5eq7i6 күн бұрын
Great Video. Comparable to the 1201?
@downwind_drifter10406 күн бұрын
Thanks 🤙🤙 Hard to say… I think so in range but the comparison stops there. Way more turny and fast, also slick feeling. No feeling of span.
@user-dp7nq5eq7i6 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040Sounds promising, hope it will be in stores one day!
@downwind_drifter10403 күн бұрын
@@user-dp7nq5eq7ime too! We need more dw foils! 🤙🤙
@bigtone6676 күн бұрын
Is it bigger than 1401 or 1180?
@downwind_drifter10406 күн бұрын
It was smaller 🤙🤙
@stkl238 күн бұрын
Are you riding a preproduction 1201? The production models don't have the specs at the tips anymore. Unrelated: which stab would you prefer when paddling up the 1401 in flat water? The 460v2 or a skinny like the 360/45?
@downwind_drifter10408 күн бұрын
It is pre mass production… same foil old graphic. The skinny, but I havnt used the 460 for a long time… my current experience is that I don’t want anything slowing down my system/front foil. I want it as easy as possible to get my front foil moving. A big rear foil for me is just huge drag that I need to overcome to get the front foil flying. You’ve made me want to stick on my 425 progressive for a run. 🤙🤙
@stkl238 күн бұрын
I used the skinny paired with the PNG 1300 for flat water paddle ups the last two days. Felt good. On the second day I shimmed it by -1deg. While there was no night and day difference, it felt a but looser and faster.
@downwind_drifter10408 күн бұрын
@@stkl23 I think I had a similar result with the 1300 but again it has been a long time since I’ve used it. I’m not sure, and havnt really thought about it… but if a flat water setup is optimal for the bumps or vice versa. As I think about it I imagine in the bumps, acceleration will be key. Being able to match a bump and keep up with it. In the flats I’m not sure… top end? You’re having to create all the energy in flat water… I hate it.
@markreadett741210 күн бұрын
Another great video ,good to see the different lines you take 🤙😀
@downwind_drifter10409 күн бұрын
Thank you 🤙🤙 I’ll need to start finding some more!
@bigtone66711 күн бұрын
"I see that a lot in winging… people using small gear as a status symbol… what a waste." ----- that made me laugh. I only wing at the moment and I only use a DW board now. Sold all my shorties.
@downwind_drifter104011 күн бұрын
You are on the path 🤙🤙
@Twizz197911 күн бұрын
Love the videos!! Ive watched a few and love your commentary and format! Thanks for all the work you do on this! I do see you switching skinny stabilizers on different runs/foils. I bought a skinny 40 and i dont think ill go back to progressive or speed tails again. Curious how you are selecting which stabilizer you are using? I'm still working through all your videos so apologies if you already talked about that. Cheers!
@downwind_drifter104011 күн бұрын
At the moment my thinking is, the smaller the better. I’m testing these smaller sizes for myself, the cut down 35 - now cut to 280mm - and 2 cut down 45s one was mine one I’m trying from a friend. I use the smallest stabiliser I can get away with until it becomes an issue. I’m currently trying to find out how small that could be. There’s not much else to it than that for me, just remove unneeded material from the system for less drag. I do feel like the 40 is my safe zone… I don’t need any bigger and the 40 is good enough for all else. It does feel draggy after the 35 and some of the other smaller ones I have but I know the 40 will work. 🤙🤙
@Twizz197911 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 that's amazing. I had fun listening to your latest video on fuselage and stabilizers! You guys are really pushing the limits. Thanks so much for sharing all your thoughts. It also made me laugh how I thought my 400flat stab was amazing till I put on a skinny. Now it feels like a "bag" on my setup 😂 . I mostly wing, but am loving downwind winging. So I'm going to pick up a shorter fuse as you all recommended . Excited to try for your discussion. I switched from a std ultra short to advanced ultra short. I didn't like it at first but now that I'm used to it I'm interested to try a shorter one and see if it helps my pumping. Fun stuff! Thanks again!!
@downwind_drifter104011 күн бұрын
@@Twizz1979 the shorter fuse will be difficult to wing at speed. I don’t like winging the sillyshortA+ for pleasure, but it’s a good tool for gliding dw.
@mariposa-de-ola11 күн бұрын
How heavy is the 7’6” board?
@downwind_drifter104011 күн бұрын
6.6kg
@markreadett741212 күн бұрын
You’ve definitely got that foil dialled in ,great run 🤙what sport did you come from & how did you get into D/W foiling .?🙌
@downwind_drifter104012 күн бұрын
Feels pretty dialled but can always be better. Recreational surfer, mainly mid lengths and sups. I actually purchased a few kites to learn how to kite surf, but only a couple sessions in Covid began and my gear got left in Fiji… New Zealander had some long lockdowns, also with the ocean being banned… go figure. I purchased a second hand wing during Covid and used my skateboard around the streets. I did a lot of wing foiling when we were allowed back in the water, I was hooked! But only to learn how to surf the ocean… eventually the wing would get me upwind and I’d turn downwind and try surf. Eventually I saw guys with paddles on the internet and then one local crusher - Jordan Harken - in person. The adventure started from there, I purchased some gear 🤙🤙
@fabiovazdelima232714 күн бұрын
I would like to see you guys talking about how to find the best "trails" on the ocean to do sup foiling! if you guys use apps, maps!
@downwind_drifter104014 күн бұрын
Thanks for reaching out After going through the learning process doing very short runs via trail and error. Now we just keep expanding upon that knowledge. Google maps is good to check lengths or stretches of water and I compare that with wind maps. I look for comfortable waters that are not scary and build from there once I have learned the area. I also like to check for steady wind… I don’t want to be out when the wind turns anymore! This has happened a few times now. Hope this helps and I will keep this in mind for the next vid 🤙🤙
@fabiovazdelima232714 күн бұрын
Thanks man! Im Foiling kitesurfing and I m going to start sup foiling this weekend (as soon my board arrives!) all the advices are helpfull!
@downwind_drifter104012 күн бұрын
@@fabiovazdelima2327 that’s awesome, be ready! It’s very hard at the start but it’s worth it!
@dcharlton0715 күн бұрын
You make it all look so easy! I'm 90+kgs, don't think I can do what you can do but I'm really thinking about pulling the trigger and getting a DW board
@downwind_drifter104014 күн бұрын
It has become mostly easy for me, but has taken time and plenty of effort! I’m currently 80kg in a dry wetsuit. Get a board and start by sup foiling some waves 🤙🤙 Hit me up if you have some board decisions to make
@dcharlton0715 күн бұрын
These videos are really going to force me to buy a DW board!
@downwind_drifter104014 күн бұрын
Do it. Are you currently foiling? 🤙🤙
@user-sy5hd2df9r16 күн бұрын
very nice man
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
Thanks for the message 🤙🤙
@Hmanfoil16 күн бұрын
How many runs are you doing a week!?
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
As many as I can manage… depends on wind first then body then mind. I can often do 2-4 ~10km runs per day if conditions are good. I might manage two or three days of that before hoping for a windless day 😅
@bigtone66716 күн бұрын
Well done!!
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
Not an easy one! 🤙🤙
@bigtone66716 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 my first thought was.... were is the 1401? I am hoping Mr AXIS makes a 1601.
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
@@bigtone667 yea me too! It was blowing high teens when I set off. 1601 would be crazy! I’m not sure it could work in bumps could it? but flat water 🤙🤙
@bigtone66716 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 I think it would work brilliantly on my local lake with wind swell.
@griffinbrungraber949816 күн бұрын
So you wish you’d had your art pro 1401?
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
Yea, I’ll have to rewatch it to see if it would have been cruisy on the 1401 but for sure the 1401 would have been much much easier. 🤙🤙
@markreadett741216 күн бұрын
Love your outlook on life 🤙👌
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
🤙😎🤙
@markreadett741216 күн бұрын
Great reading of the swell 🤙😀👌
@downwind_drifter104016 күн бұрын
Thanks mate, I’ll have to take a look 🤩
@raymondwitvoet18 күн бұрын
How do you like the board?
@downwind_drifter104018 күн бұрын
I like it. It’s good dimensions for me and I’m managing to make the displacement hull work. There is a trade off with a rounded hull… it rolls more in the water verses a flat bottom board. The benefit is that it cuts through the water well, which seems to accelerate quick of the mark. The board also travels up and down smoothly in the water column giving you a bit more travel to activate the foil. The down side is roll stability, at times it feels unstable… you have to be more precise with inputs. It doesn’t seem to dampen bad technique like a flat bottom board. 🤙🤙
@Hmanfoil18 күн бұрын
nice, how come you ride so low on the mast?
@downwind_drifter104018 күн бұрын
It depends on the conditions and what I’m up to. Here I wanted to ace the run and I’m using quite a high span foil and a relatively short mast at 80cm… if my board is 30cm off the water that’s only 50cm of wiggle room until full breach in flat water far less in bumps, especially in small bumps where the foils wing tips want to poke out. I also use a 75cm mast and a 68cm… that doesn’t leave much room to play especially with the 1401 art pro. You basically have to follow the surface of the water with your board… If I flat water pump I am at full hight on the mast and often breaking the surface of the water looking for efficiency. Or if I’m having fun and don’t have a time limit I’ll play with riding high extending the 3d game zone Thanks for the question 🤙🤙
@Hmanfoil18 күн бұрын
@@downwind_drifter1040 Yew awesome reply. Thanks for that info, I am sure i will remember back to this when i start my DW journey. I have just taken delivery of a axis 7'6 100l. going to be using my 72cm Army mast and 1125ha foil.
@downwind_drifter104018 күн бұрын
@@Hmanfoil Awesome. If you havnt already go sup foil surf, it is the true gateway to downwinding and levels up most of the required skills besides reading the bumps. It’s also awesome. Let me know how you go 🤙🤙
@arnaudnaiwko18 күн бұрын
Why did you use the 75 HM mast instead of the 80 UHM? Nice to watch as always 👍
@downwind_drifter104018 күн бұрын
Thanks for reaching out 🤙 I used the 80cm pro for this run, I just changed the description… I copy paste parts and forgot to change it sorry. 🤙🤙
@ironphil6219 күн бұрын
👍🍺 I'm a Big Fan of the 1401 me "Beginner KOOK" - if your going to Maui for The Maliko Run this July be great to catch up - is that a GoPro 10 your using is it easy to download the speed clock in the right hand corner, as I'd like to time my Maliko Runs.
@downwind_drifter104019 күн бұрын
I use a GoPro 11 and it’s easy to get the speed showing. First you have to turn on gps on the camera! This records the signals required Then when you are in the editor after you download footage from camera to your phone, go to the pencil icon and then scroll across until you see stickers. Open stickers and you will have a bunch of options to add to the screen from the gps! Speed, tracking, g force, altitude… so many. Speed is what you’re after. It’s not looking likely that I’ll make it over but if I do I’ll get in touch for a cold one! 🤙🤙
@thegallery19 күн бұрын
I can imagine this is probably extra stupid but I wonder if you could have some of a wing suit set up or a little sail mounted on the backpack for extra propulsion. It'd be great if it could auto pivot to the wind as you needed.
@downwind_drifter104019 күн бұрын
There was something like this that I saw recently called the carrot with kai lenny… it’s not as sophisticated as your idea though! I’m actually not a fan” of the wind, I like surfing the swells without a push on my back at all! It is often a welcome assistance though especially when trying to get going. It’s awesome when I travel the same speed as the wind is blowing as in that moment it all feels very still! It’s beautiful and surreal! Until I turn and change direction and feel the wind is there again. 🤙🤙
@jonathancowcher748220 күн бұрын
Great vids, appreciate all the work you put into making them. I’m 65kg and pretty much always shim rear foil flatter 0.5 to 1 degree with both Spitfire and ArtPro. Be interested to hear your thoughts and experience shimming. Thanks
@downwind_drifter104019 күн бұрын
Thanks for the question 🤙 I havnt shimmed much with Axis. A little shimming earlier on to try help with dialling in pumping when I was newer to it. I was adding more lift to the system but didn’t like the feeling, it felt porpoisey… I find the gear works well for me as it comes and always wonder if I make changes am I actually just making the system worse. I used to shim my Armstrong gear a lot in both directions as I could never get it to feel right. I’ve thought about it again since your question. Theoretically I wouldn’t imagine an extra half degree or not would make much difference for me as it’s such a tiny change when you compare to to the radical movements we make with the foil during our riding… but I know that that is not actually the case neither as I’ve felt the extra lift of adding a shim and likely even more so on the shorter fuses… unless it was placebo subjective experience which is also a big thing for our activity… You see a shim go in you will likely feel it If you don’t know if a shim is added or not it would be a tough call to make accurately I imagine. And I think that says something. The inputs to our equipment play such a huge role that if you think something your likely to input differently anyway and then islets all a wash. But I believe I can feel drag from just changing 5mm of rear foil chord… and I’d be reasonably confident to a-b test that in the water with two exact setups that I can quickly go back and forward on. I’m very much after glide and reducing drag in my system, you have me wanting to try a reverse shim now in the rear to try remove any un needed drag. I’m currently in the process of cutting down my 35skinny. I’ve already cut it down a fair bit and about to cut it down further. I want to find where I get diminished returns. That’s about all I know for shimming… for now 🤙🤙
@christomo20 күн бұрын
another amazing informative film , I have been using your logic and ideas to try improve my riding ,as i have said before im in the gong system and currently do upwind downwind with a wing (saving for a dw board)for now trying to achieve more glide , I use a curve xxl this is somewhat like a spitfire A.R 8.5 for 115 wingspan and 16000cm2 im thinking of getting a smaller stab that shortens the system so current stab is 44cm wide and A.R 8.5 230cm2 volume 0.06l and im thinking of getting a 37cm wide and A.R 7.6 180cm2 volume 0.05 the smaller stab would make the set up of the fuse 5cm shorter im 95kg is this a good thought process to longer less drag or will it be to unstable for my weight with wing . Thanks if you get time to give a opinion take care and have a awesome week chris tomo
@downwind_drifter104019 күн бұрын
I’ve though about this a few times now. It’s hard to say as you’re heavier than me, here’s what I just wrote to someone else that aligns “I’m not a heavier rider though, so I can only answer from my experience. I’m finding I get great leverage over the system having the shorter fuse (sillyshort) What becomes an issue is, if I do heavy pumps, they kind of feel wasted… kind of like an inefficient swimmer dragging through water with their hands rather than capturing it. The shorter fuse doesn’t seem to like strong inputs. A long fuse can seem to handle heavy inputs. That’s what gives me some concern about recommending it to a heavier rider… I’d say go for it if you can reduce the strength you use pushing inputs through your system. If money isn’t a concern for buying and trying gear I’d say for sure go for it! it’s worth experimenting for you and could be excellent for you.” That’s in regards to fuses which sounds like what will happen to your setup. I’m of the opinion currently that if someone’s stance is correct to how I ride balanced over the front foil then the rear shouldn’t really come in to play and therefore can be reduced. I’m cutting cutting down the smallest axis stab and so far it feels good. I cut 40mm of an already small but high aspect foil. I’ll keep cutting, but I’m riding it in between to try understand it. Perhaps you could cut down your current stab instead of spending money on a new one? My friend cut his down and used the removed tips as the template to shape the new sized stabs tips. It might be a fun project and you could go a bit at a time… perhaps make some videos about it Hope this helps 🤙🤙
@christomo19 күн бұрын
@downwind_drifter1040 thanks so much for your detailed answer I will think on your experience . Best winds and to you
@777banshee21 күн бұрын
thanks for your videos and insights you share! can you make a video about how you handle the logistic side of things? do you live next to the shore? easiest way to transport the equipment in the car? how do you handle the transport back?
@downwind_drifter104021 күн бұрын
I’ll see what I can do 🤙🤙
@1rovingeye21 күн бұрын
Great content. Wondering if you could make a video of gear selection for 100 kg people. How does rear foil and fuse selection change for 100kg foilers? Novice vs experienced?
@downwind_drifter104021 күн бұрын
I’ll get Sam loader on, hes 95kg. I personally don’t think it will be very different for 100kg riders as far as fuse and stab go… not if using a good stance. I now position myself to standing over the front foil and try use that alone to balance me. It has allowed me to use tiny stabs and fuses as they arnt being used to support me. I spent a dedicated amount of time improving my stance. It’s worth playing with. Thanks for reaching out🤙🤙
@damien13097021 күн бұрын
Firstly, thanks for all the vids they are the best real world experience I have found. When you talk about the “stalling technique”, have you explained this more on a different video? Are you basically trying to slow down to almost stall to match the bumps or are you using the pre stall to gain height and load up some stored energy for the glide down? This is all new to me, I am still at the downwind winging stage, mostly on the 1180. Thanks again, I am guessing you are helping many to read bumps and navigate the thousand nuances to staying on foil. Cheers
@downwind_drifter104021 күн бұрын
Here’s a vid kzread.info/dash/bejne/jI6Aj7SaaMa-qLw.htmlsi=hUsVX9o2J_JV3DMK The vid before and after this are also talking about stalling. It’s more riding using “brakes” than actually playing around with stalling. I found myself always hooning around where as now I’m trying to modify my speed to fit the bumps… not needing to find bumps to keep my frantic speeds going. Thanks for the great message 🤙🤙
@jameschee646222 күн бұрын
Nice. You're absolutely right about the silly short fuse though. Went and bought one after your last post and tried it today. Now my 1401 is so much more useable and fun.
@downwind_drifter104022 күн бұрын
Excellent! I’m also using it for my mid range foils too, I havnt tried it with my smallest ones yet… but I will. Thanks for getting in touch 🤙🤙
@M3W3Y23 күн бұрын
Another great video! Learning so much from you sharing your experience. Moving to the shorter fuses, did you have to change your mast position or have to adjust your stance? Im mainly on the 1401, HM 750 mast with short fuse adv ++ and 50 skinny and after watching this, want to try a smaller fuse.
@downwind_drifter104023 күн бұрын
No changes that I am aware of. Go for the silly and then consider sizing down your rear foil too! Perhaps the 40 or if you’re feeling brave the 35… but likely best to step down through them… the 40. 🤙🤙
@marcrlutz21 күн бұрын
So I’m on the black advanced short, 1180 w 55 skinny and still just trying to get on foil. I’m 95k. Would going all the way to the silly short from short? Is that too big a jump for a beginner? Sounds like I also went too big w the 55. Love your vids! Keep them coming!
@downwind_drifter104020 күн бұрын
@@marcrlutz hard to say… it would be good to find out for both of us if the silly short is a good choice. The 1180 is a small foil to be starting out with, i for example started on the png 1300 at 76kg. So I’m not sure what you should expect with the 1180. It’s got a lot of feel though and can likely handle some less than technical inputs and still function. I think if you have bay bumps and stick with the 1180 you’ll have success. The silly short will liven it up when it comes to paddling it up, it might buck at you and try to stall if you push it too much in pumping up… But it would also force you through a big range of motion some of it being correct and might give you some good surprises to.. where as the short fuse you’ll have to gain mast height along a longer drawn out section of travel. Honestly it seems 50/50 to me, that’s pretty good odds for buying performance. The bigger skinny will be good for you currently, it doesn’t need to be upgraded until you out grow it. What board are you on?
@marcrlutz20 күн бұрын
I’m on the big Cuda 130L and the KT 135L. I’m just trying figure out a way to optimize the 1180 for a big beginner. Sounded like from vid the shorter fuse would help pop me into foil esp w the 55 skinny
@downwind_drifter104019 күн бұрын
@@marcrlutz I understand. I’m not a heavier rider though, so I can only answer from my experience. I’m finding I get great leverage over the system having the shorter fuse (sillyshort) What becomes an issue is, if I do heavy pumps, they kind of feel wasted… kind of like an inefficient swimmer dragging through water with their hands rather than capturing it. The shorter fuse doesn’t seem to like strong inputs. A long fuse can seem to handle heavy inputs. That’s what gives me some concern about recommending it to a heavier rider… I’d say go for it if you can reduce the strength you use pushing inputs through your system. If money isn’t a concern for buying and trying gear I’d say for sure go for it! it’s worth experimenting for you and could be excellent for you. My 2cents 🤙🤙
@berci100123 күн бұрын
I am really curious now about the 1180 combined with silly short and the 35 skinny. I reckon this combo would not be “dead”. Maybe you could try this one day. But you encouraged me to step down to my crazy from the ultrashort. Its funny that I needed this video to get back to my favourite winging fuse - the crazyshort.
@downwind_drifter104023 күн бұрын
I too am very curious about the 1180 silly 35. My guess is that it will feel excellent. The dead feeling is likely to be the bigger fuse and rear combo. Let me know how the crazy feels again 🤙
@geoffnicholls853923 күн бұрын
Very cool, guys, very cool.
@downwind_drifter104023 күн бұрын
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@markreadett741224 күн бұрын
Mate you’ve really got that worked out 🤙
@downwind_drifter104024 күн бұрын
🤙🤙 It’s pretty cool what is possible, I love the 1401!
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Hi do you do some dockstart ? Do you think going below 45 skinny stab is a good idea to pair with artpro 1201 ? Thank you
Oh your girlfriend isn't at home so you FINALLY have some time to go surfing 🤣
Nice one! Good looking proto Axis DW board too.
any wave swell or just pure wind swell?
Fun to push a smaller board setup, until conditions fade! Do you have the spec’s on your friend’s north foil setup?
This board might be a touch small for me on the first attempt but I could get used to it if I had to… believe it or not it’s actually easier in the lighter conditions! You don’t need speed to get a big foil up mostly just movement and this board allows plenty of that, and once the foil activates, if you can un weight the board it comes right up. I’d have no chance on this thing in bigger bumps with a smaller foil. I got skunked just like that on the next size up the other day… paddled for 8km 🤙😵💫🤙
Can’t share the specs on the north gear sorry
Awesome keep pushing it. How much did that board weigh? At 105 Liters a custom build, or even well built homemade board should be ~ 9 lbs. That board is likely 30% to 50% heavier than it needs to be.
Havnt weighed that one, my guess stepping down from the bigger ones would be 6.6kg I’m definitely looking at customs and such for the reasons you point out. But also I got a price for a Kalama a couple weeks back from Australia it was going to be $4000 delivered to NZ… I could buy another 2nd hand Toyota Corolla for that! My next vid I’m riding a 95L 6’10 18” 🤙🤙
Having watched a few of your 1401/35 skinny sessions, I decided to invest in a 35 skinny (already have the 40 and 45). I was completely surprised at the difference between the 40/45 and the 35. Everything seemed to be faster, (upwind speed, turns), my ripple glides seemed to be smoother and longer and my pumping felt better. We have 30 knot conditions tomorrow, so it should be glide heaven.
I’m stoked for you! I’ll be careful not to upload too many chopped rear vids 😅 30kts is exciting. I’ve just had a no wind rest day and I can already feel my need to dw growing. Tomorrow is likely another rest day due to wind or perhaps I’ll do a short light wind run with the 1401 35 combo. Thanks for letting me know and sharing the Stoke 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 Well I happened to have an advanced sillyshort fuse sitting around, so I put the 1401 and 35 rear on it. More surprises..... Doing a rocker start with a wing is unbelievably good and the general pumping is vastly improved.
@@bigtone667 yea nice! Any cons for you? I find it twitchy being powered up with the wing… 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 I think if there is a choppy swell or cross swell it could get quite interesting with random and sudden lift for the 1401 and much shorter fuse.
Great session!! Appreciate your commentary wrt technique to get up on foil, how to read the water. Keep sharing the stoke.
Thanks for saying 🤙🤙
Did you get a new deck pad or is this some super secret successor to the current 8ft downwind board? Regardless, the gray pad seems a way better choice than the previous white. Mine doesn't look good anymore.
This deck pad is very good! Robust and grippy. No secrets and no successors as yet… this is one of many prototypes that get built to test the latest ideas. 🤙🤙
Inspiring stuff mate! 🙏 Love the rear wing study... 🔍 so much potential
Thanks 🤙🤙 I’m hesitant to cut the 35 down past where it is now at 270mm span… but I will make a template to save this shape, as it feels sweet! Perfect for the bigger foils, un tested with the smaller ones yet.
Good average speed ,moving along really well 🤙👌
She’s a slippery one! 🤙🤙
Hi, it’s great to see you exploring the 1401’s full speed range. As an ex hang glider test pilot I spent a lot of time exploring a wings low speed flying characteristics. 1401 stall breaks at 13km/hr(splash down. 14/15km will be the wings mush mode/beginning to lose lift and poor directional control. Then you have “min sink” or call it max lift which should help you climb mast as well as staying on slow bumps. Speeding up somewhat you will then find the max glide speed. Harder to quantify with only75cm of airspace to play with but I bet you have this subconsciously dialled in. Then V max where the drag prevents you going any faster. Have you considered fitting a velocitek speed puck to your board for real time water speeds. I am just starting my foil/downwinding journey. I ride with you every morning after you post streams-Mike
Great comment! I wish I could find further education on this topic, detailing the varying lift/drag characteristics of foils and physics through their range of speed and roll/bank. Even just these general concepts (stall break, min sink, v max, etc.) are new to me. We are missing that info. Do you publicly post your findings/experiences?
Those speeds sound about right from my experience. The foil is tested extensively with software. I could get a bit more accurate with my own speed capturing but I don’t have the time to work with it… I’ll leave that to others. There are som many parameters when using the foil in real world conditions, with bumps and water type/qualities… Im not sure how much a deep dive” will help. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts though and perhaps how you think you experience can translate into water based results. I imagine there is a lot of crossover and wonder where the greatest differences will be besides fish! Perhaps the refractions we face with the swell energies bouncing around all over the place? I wonder how these compare to air turbulence and such. I used to sky dive a lot, I remember being very scared the first time I stalled a parachute for the sake of learning… terrifying stuff! I can imagine it would be even more so with a hang glider. Thanks for the great message 🤙🤙
Did you lose your sunnies? Beautiful looking day :-)
Sunnies went into the front pocket of the pfd 🤙👀🤙 I don’t really wear them unless I’m getting a migraine which does occasionally happen.
The quick flash of glare from sun and water does the same thing me
@@bigtone667😵💫
What about wearing a type of wingsuit to get some further assist?
I’m mainly just surfing the bumps, I don’t really need assist if the bumps are good. It’s nice not being too complicated out there 🤙🤙
You think the 1180 paddles up easier than the 1201?
Currently I’ve been struggling to paddle up the 1180 as easily as the 1201, in bumps. I can still get it up fine but it seems to require more strength. I can feel the resistance of the 1180 in the water when I get up to foiling speeds. It’s something that I feel I’m having to overcome… In that same moment with the 1201 I wouldn’t be feeling drag and could glide away. ^ this could be due to my current skills, and familiarity with the high aspect foils at the moment. As I’m thinking about it now the 1180 might need more pump than paddle when getting close to takeoff. Hope this helps 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 Thanks. I really appreciate that. I've been back and forth about this topic for weeks but I keep getting distracted. I'm replacing my HPS 980 since I'm always riding my ART 999 when it's light (winging). But I want to get an even lighter wind foil like 1030, 1180 or 1201, for winging... but to also use it for DW. Would be assume to LIKE the one big foil for both disciplines. Yesterday I went out and paddled around on a foil SUP (too wide for getting up in flatwater)... but it reminded my I have to make a decision on this soon and just get it done. Still leaning more towards the 1201.
@@DannyCruzCreations you’ll likely end up with both eventually so don’t sweat it! 1401 is my go to for light wind… it covers 3/4 of my dw runs and is what I’d grab for light winging too. It is the true a-b connector when nothing else cuts it.
@@downwind_drifter1040 Thanks. That's definitely something to keep in mind. If I can afford it after getting the 1201 I'll consider it. I need to bridge the gap after after the 999, and that's a big jump to get to 1401.
@@downwind_drifter1040 I just ordered the board. Went 8'2" x 21 x 121L. I would have loved Axis, but they're hard to come by unless you wait months and I'm impatient. I'm now fully considering the 1401 to maybe make my life easier.
Great Video. Comparable to the 1201?
Thanks 🤙🤙 Hard to say… I think so in range but the comparison stops there. Way more turny and fast, also slick feeling. No feeling of span.
@@downwind_drifter1040Sounds promising, hope it will be in stores one day!
@@user-dp7nq5eq7ime too! We need more dw foils! 🤙🤙
Is it bigger than 1401 or 1180?
It was smaller 🤙🤙
Are you riding a preproduction 1201? The production models don't have the specs at the tips anymore. Unrelated: which stab would you prefer when paddling up the 1401 in flat water? The 460v2 or a skinny like the 360/45?
It is pre mass production… same foil old graphic. The skinny, but I havnt used the 460 for a long time… my current experience is that I don’t want anything slowing down my system/front foil. I want it as easy as possible to get my front foil moving. A big rear foil for me is just huge drag that I need to overcome to get the front foil flying. You’ve made me want to stick on my 425 progressive for a run. 🤙🤙
I used the skinny paired with the PNG 1300 for flat water paddle ups the last two days. Felt good. On the second day I shimmed it by -1deg. While there was no night and day difference, it felt a but looser and faster.
@@stkl23 I think I had a similar result with the 1300 but again it has been a long time since I’ve used it. I’m not sure, and havnt really thought about it… but if a flat water setup is optimal for the bumps or vice versa. As I think about it I imagine in the bumps, acceleration will be key. Being able to match a bump and keep up with it. In the flats I’m not sure… top end? You’re having to create all the energy in flat water… I hate it.
Another great video ,good to see the different lines you take 🤙😀
Thank you 🤙🤙 I’ll need to start finding some more!
"I see that a lot in winging… people using small gear as a status symbol… what a waste." ----- that made me laugh. I only wing at the moment and I only use a DW board now. Sold all my shorties.
You are on the path 🤙🤙
Love the videos!! Ive watched a few and love your commentary and format! Thanks for all the work you do on this! I do see you switching skinny stabilizers on different runs/foils. I bought a skinny 40 and i dont think ill go back to progressive or speed tails again. Curious how you are selecting which stabilizer you are using? I'm still working through all your videos so apologies if you already talked about that. Cheers!
At the moment my thinking is, the smaller the better. I’m testing these smaller sizes for myself, the cut down 35 - now cut to 280mm - and 2 cut down 45s one was mine one I’m trying from a friend. I use the smallest stabiliser I can get away with until it becomes an issue. I’m currently trying to find out how small that could be. There’s not much else to it than that for me, just remove unneeded material from the system for less drag. I do feel like the 40 is my safe zone… I don’t need any bigger and the 40 is good enough for all else. It does feel draggy after the 35 and some of the other smaller ones I have but I know the 40 will work. 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 that's amazing. I had fun listening to your latest video on fuselage and stabilizers! You guys are really pushing the limits. Thanks so much for sharing all your thoughts. It also made me laugh how I thought my 400flat stab was amazing till I put on a skinny. Now it feels like a "bag" on my setup 😂 . I mostly wing, but am loving downwind winging. So I'm going to pick up a shorter fuse as you all recommended . Excited to try for your discussion. I switched from a std ultra short to advanced ultra short. I didn't like it at first but now that I'm used to it I'm interested to try a shorter one and see if it helps my pumping. Fun stuff! Thanks again!!
@@Twizz1979 the shorter fuse will be difficult to wing at speed. I don’t like winging the sillyshortA+ for pleasure, but it’s a good tool for gliding dw.
How heavy is the 7’6” board?
6.6kg
You’ve definitely got that foil dialled in ,great run 🤙what sport did you come from & how did you get into D/W foiling .?🙌
Feels pretty dialled but can always be better. Recreational surfer, mainly mid lengths and sups. I actually purchased a few kites to learn how to kite surf, but only a couple sessions in Covid began and my gear got left in Fiji… New Zealander had some long lockdowns, also with the ocean being banned… go figure. I purchased a second hand wing during Covid and used my skateboard around the streets. I did a lot of wing foiling when we were allowed back in the water, I was hooked! But only to learn how to surf the ocean… eventually the wing would get me upwind and I’d turn downwind and try surf. Eventually I saw guys with paddles on the internet and then one local crusher - Jordan Harken - in person. The adventure started from there, I purchased some gear 🤙🤙
I would like to see you guys talking about how to find the best "trails" on the ocean to do sup foiling! if you guys use apps, maps!
Thanks for reaching out After going through the learning process doing very short runs via trail and error. Now we just keep expanding upon that knowledge. Google maps is good to check lengths or stretches of water and I compare that with wind maps. I look for comfortable waters that are not scary and build from there once I have learned the area. I also like to check for steady wind… I don’t want to be out when the wind turns anymore! This has happened a few times now. Hope this helps and I will keep this in mind for the next vid 🤙🤙
Thanks man! Im Foiling kitesurfing and I m going to start sup foiling this weekend (as soon my board arrives!) all the advices are helpfull!
@@fabiovazdelima2327 that’s awesome, be ready! It’s very hard at the start but it’s worth it!
You make it all look so easy! I'm 90+kgs, don't think I can do what you can do but I'm really thinking about pulling the trigger and getting a DW board
It has become mostly easy for me, but has taken time and plenty of effort! I’m currently 80kg in a dry wetsuit. Get a board and start by sup foiling some waves 🤙🤙 Hit me up if you have some board decisions to make
These videos are really going to force me to buy a DW board!
Do it. Are you currently foiling? 🤙🤙
very nice man
Thanks for the message 🤙🤙
How many runs are you doing a week!?
As many as I can manage… depends on wind first then body then mind. I can often do 2-4 ~10km runs per day if conditions are good. I might manage two or three days of that before hoping for a windless day 😅
Well done!!
Not an easy one! 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 my first thought was.... were is the 1401? I am hoping Mr AXIS makes a 1601.
@@bigtone667 yea me too! It was blowing high teens when I set off. 1601 would be crazy! I’m not sure it could work in bumps could it? but flat water 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 I think it would work brilliantly on my local lake with wind swell.
So you wish you’d had your art pro 1401?
Yea, I’ll have to rewatch it to see if it would have been cruisy on the 1401 but for sure the 1401 would have been much much easier. 🤙🤙
Love your outlook on life 🤙👌
🤙😎🤙
Great reading of the swell 🤙😀👌
Thanks mate, I’ll have to take a look 🤩
How do you like the board?
I like it. It’s good dimensions for me and I’m managing to make the displacement hull work. There is a trade off with a rounded hull… it rolls more in the water verses a flat bottom board. The benefit is that it cuts through the water well, which seems to accelerate quick of the mark. The board also travels up and down smoothly in the water column giving you a bit more travel to activate the foil. The down side is roll stability, at times it feels unstable… you have to be more precise with inputs. It doesn’t seem to dampen bad technique like a flat bottom board. 🤙🤙
nice, how come you ride so low on the mast?
It depends on the conditions and what I’m up to. Here I wanted to ace the run and I’m using quite a high span foil and a relatively short mast at 80cm… if my board is 30cm off the water that’s only 50cm of wiggle room until full breach in flat water far less in bumps, especially in small bumps where the foils wing tips want to poke out. I also use a 75cm mast and a 68cm… that doesn’t leave much room to play especially with the 1401 art pro. You basically have to follow the surface of the water with your board… If I flat water pump I am at full hight on the mast and often breaking the surface of the water looking for efficiency. Or if I’m having fun and don’t have a time limit I’ll play with riding high extending the 3d game zone Thanks for the question 🤙🤙
@@downwind_drifter1040 Yew awesome reply. Thanks for that info, I am sure i will remember back to this when i start my DW journey. I have just taken delivery of a axis 7'6 100l. going to be using my 72cm Army mast and 1125ha foil.
@@Hmanfoil Awesome. If you havnt already go sup foil surf, it is the true gateway to downwinding and levels up most of the required skills besides reading the bumps. It’s also awesome. Let me know how you go 🤙🤙
Why did you use the 75 HM mast instead of the 80 UHM? Nice to watch as always 👍
Thanks for reaching out 🤙 I used the 80cm pro for this run, I just changed the description… I copy paste parts and forgot to change it sorry. 🤙🤙
👍🍺 I'm a Big Fan of the 1401 me "Beginner KOOK" - if your going to Maui for The Maliko Run this July be great to catch up - is that a GoPro 10 your using is it easy to download the speed clock in the right hand corner, as I'd like to time my Maliko Runs.
I use a GoPro 11 and it’s easy to get the speed showing. First you have to turn on gps on the camera! This records the signals required Then when you are in the editor after you download footage from camera to your phone, go to the pencil icon and then scroll across until you see stickers. Open stickers and you will have a bunch of options to add to the screen from the gps! Speed, tracking, g force, altitude… so many. Speed is what you’re after. It’s not looking likely that I’ll make it over but if I do I’ll get in touch for a cold one! 🤙🤙
I can imagine this is probably extra stupid but I wonder if you could have some of a wing suit set up or a little sail mounted on the backpack for extra propulsion. It'd be great if it could auto pivot to the wind as you needed.
There was something like this that I saw recently called the carrot with kai lenny… it’s not as sophisticated as your idea though! I’m actually not a fan” of the wind, I like surfing the swells without a push on my back at all! It is often a welcome assistance though especially when trying to get going. It’s awesome when I travel the same speed as the wind is blowing as in that moment it all feels very still! It’s beautiful and surreal! Until I turn and change direction and feel the wind is there again. 🤙🤙
Great vids, appreciate all the work you put into making them. I’m 65kg and pretty much always shim rear foil flatter 0.5 to 1 degree with both Spitfire and ArtPro. Be interested to hear your thoughts and experience shimming. Thanks
Thanks for the question 🤙 I havnt shimmed much with Axis. A little shimming earlier on to try help with dialling in pumping when I was newer to it. I was adding more lift to the system but didn’t like the feeling, it felt porpoisey… I find the gear works well for me as it comes and always wonder if I make changes am I actually just making the system worse. I used to shim my Armstrong gear a lot in both directions as I could never get it to feel right. I’ve thought about it again since your question. Theoretically I wouldn’t imagine an extra half degree or not would make much difference for me as it’s such a tiny change when you compare to to the radical movements we make with the foil during our riding… but I know that that is not actually the case neither as I’ve felt the extra lift of adding a shim and likely even more so on the shorter fuses… unless it was placebo subjective experience which is also a big thing for our activity… You see a shim go in you will likely feel it If you don’t know if a shim is added or not it would be a tough call to make accurately I imagine. And I think that says something. The inputs to our equipment play such a huge role that if you think something your likely to input differently anyway and then islets all a wash. But I believe I can feel drag from just changing 5mm of rear foil chord… and I’d be reasonably confident to a-b test that in the water with two exact setups that I can quickly go back and forward on. I’m very much after glide and reducing drag in my system, you have me wanting to try a reverse shim now in the rear to try remove any un needed drag. I’m currently in the process of cutting down my 35skinny. I’ve already cut it down a fair bit and about to cut it down further. I want to find where I get diminished returns. That’s about all I know for shimming… for now 🤙🤙
another amazing informative film , I have been using your logic and ideas to try improve my riding ,as i have said before im in the gong system and currently do upwind downwind with a wing (saving for a dw board)for now trying to achieve more glide , I use a curve xxl this is somewhat like a spitfire A.R 8.5 for 115 wingspan and 16000cm2 im thinking of getting a smaller stab that shortens the system so current stab is 44cm wide and A.R 8.5 230cm2 volume 0.06l and im thinking of getting a 37cm wide and A.R 7.6 180cm2 volume 0.05 the smaller stab would make the set up of the fuse 5cm shorter im 95kg is this a good thought process to longer less drag or will it be to unstable for my weight with wing . Thanks if you get time to give a opinion take care and have a awesome week chris tomo
I’ve though about this a few times now. It’s hard to say as you’re heavier than me, here’s what I just wrote to someone else that aligns “I’m not a heavier rider though, so I can only answer from my experience. I’m finding I get great leverage over the system having the shorter fuse (sillyshort) What becomes an issue is, if I do heavy pumps, they kind of feel wasted… kind of like an inefficient swimmer dragging through water with their hands rather than capturing it. The shorter fuse doesn’t seem to like strong inputs. A long fuse can seem to handle heavy inputs. That’s what gives me some concern about recommending it to a heavier rider… I’d say go for it if you can reduce the strength you use pushing inputs through your system. If money isn’t a concern for buying and trying gear I’d say for sure go for it! it’s worth experimenting for you and could be excellent for you.” That’s in regards to fuses which sounds like what will happen to your setup. I’m of the opinion currently that if someone’s stance is correct to how I ride balanced over the front foil then the rear shouldn’t really come in to play and therefore can be reduced. I’m cutting cutting down the smallest axis stab and so far it feels good. I cut 40mm of an already small but high aspect foil. I’ll keep cutting, but I’m riding it in between to try understand it. Perhaps you could cut down your current stab instead of spending money on a new one? My friend cut his down and used the removed tips as the template to shape the new sized stabs tips. It might be a fun project and you could go a bit at a time… perhaps make some videos about it Hope this helps 🤙🤙
@downwind_drifter1040 thanks so much for your detailed answer I will think on your experience . Best winds and to you
thanks for your videos and insights you share! can you make a video about how you handle the logistic side of things? do you live next to the shore? easiest way to transport the equipment in the car? how do you handle the transport back?
I’ll see what I can do 🤙🤙
Great content. Wondering if you could make a video of gear selection for 100 kg people. How does rear foil and fuse selection change for 100kg foilers? Novice vs experienced?
I’ll get Sam loader on, hes 95kg. I personally don’t think it will be very different for 100kg riders as far as fuse and stab go… not if using a good stance. I now position myself to standing over the front foil and try use that alone to balance me. It has allowed me to use tiny stabs and fuses as they arnt being used to support me. I spent a dedicated amount of time improving my stance. It’s worth playing with. Thanks for reaching out🤙🤙
Firstly, thanks for all the vids they are the best real world experience I have found. When you talk about the “stalling technique”, have you explained this more on a different video? Are you basically trying to slow down to almost stall to match the bumps or are you using the pre stall to gain height and load up some stored energy for the glide down? This is all new to me, I am still at the downwind winging stage, mostly on the 1180. Thanks again, I am guessing you are helping many to read bumps and navigate the thousand nuances to staying on foil. Cheers
Here’s a vid kzread.info/dash/bejne/jI6Aj7SaaMa-qLw.htmlsi=hUsVX9o2J_JV3DMK The vid before and after this are also talking about stalling. It’s more riding using “brakes” than actually playing around with stalling. I found myself always hooning around where as now I’m trying to modify my speed to fit the bumps… not needing to find bumps to keep my frantic speeds going. Thanks for the great message 🤙🤙
Nice. You're absolutely right about the silly short fuse though. Went and bought one after your last post and tried it today. Now my 1401 is so much more useable and fun.
Excellent! I’m also using it for my mid range foils too, I havnt tried it with my smallest ones yet… but I will. Thanks for getting in touch 🤙🤙
Another great video! Learning so much from you sharing your experience. Moving to the shorter fuses, did you have to change your mast position or have to adjust your stance? Im mainly on the 1401, HM 750 mast with short fuse adv ++ and 50 skinny and after watching this, want to try a smaller fuse.
No changes that I am aware of. Go for the silly and then consider sizing down your rear foil too! Perhaps the 40 or if you’re feeling brave the 35… but likely best to step down through them… the 40. 🤙🤙
So I’m on the black advanced short, 1180 w 55 skinny and still just trying to get on foil. I’m 95k. Would going all the way to the silly short from short? Is that too big a jump for a beginner? Sounds like I also went too big w the 55. Love your vids! Keep them coming!
@@marcrlutz hard to say… it would be good to find out for both of us if the silly short is a good choice. The 1180 is a small foil to be starting out with, i for example started on the png 1300 at 76kg. So I’m not sure what you should expect with the 1180. It’s got a lot of feel though and can likely handle some less than technical inputs and still function. I think if you have bay bumps and stick with the 1180 you’ll have success. The silly short will liven it up when it comes to paddling it up, it might buck at you and try to stall if you push it too much in pumping up… But it would also force you through a big range of motion some of it being correct and might give you some good surprises to.. where as the short fuse you’ll have to gain mast height along a longer drawn out section of travel. Honestly it seems 50/50 to me, that’s pretty good odds for buying performance. The bigger skinny will be good for you currently, it doesn’t need to be upgraded until you out grow it. What board are you on?
I’m on the big Cuda 130L and the KT 135L. I’m just trying figure out a way to optimize the 1180 for a big beginner. Sounded like from vid the shorter fuse would help pop me into foil esp w the 55 skinny
@@marcrlutz I understand. I’m not a heavier rider though, so I can only answer from my experience. I’m finding I get great leverage over the system having the shorter fuse (sillyshort) What becomes an issue is, if I do heavy pumps, they kind of feel wasted… kind of like an inefficient swimmer dragging through water with their hands rather than capturing it. The shorter fuse doesn’t seem to like strong inputs. A long fuse can seem to handle heavy inputs. That’s what gives me some concern about recommending it to a heavier rider… I’d say go for it if you can reduce the strength you use pushing inputs through your system. If money isn’t a concern for buying and trying gear I’d say for sure go for it! it’s worth experimenting for you and could be excellent for you. My 2cents 🤙🤙
I am really curious now about the 1180 combined with silly short and the 35 skinny. I reckon this combo would not be “dead”. Maybe you could try this one day. But you encouraged me to step down to my crazy from the ultrashort. Its funny that I needed this video to get back to my favourite winging fuse - the crazyshort.
I too am very curious about the 1180 silly 35. My guess is that it will feel excellent. The dead feeling is likely to be the bigger fuse and rear combo. Let me know how the crazy feels again 🤙
Very cool, guys, very cool.
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Mate you’ve really got that worked out 🤙
🤙🤙 It’s pretty cool what is possible, I love the 1401!
Great run 🤙
Sooo good, so happy with my gear at the moment 🤙🤙
Nice paddle up 🤙💪🏼😀
It was a breeze with this setup! 😎