eyes opening moment for me. working lately on my lower body i lost all my power and snap. I forgot about upper body i checked my form on video and i do almost all of those mistakes! Thanks for that video
@davismorehead24945 күн бұрын
So I have tried this for three days. Can’t get faster than 50. Most throws are 45. Not sure what to do next
@BlitzDG5 күн бұрын
Join the discord and ask for help :) I have some other videos that might help if you're doing some major things wrong!
@chasecaleb5 күн бұрын
This series is exactly the type of content that I want! It's like a deep-dive course into technique... but free. P.S. Adding chapter/section timestamps would be a nice improvement.
@kazenix876 күн бұрын
absurd
@mikkelisaksenrobinson6 күн бұрын
can you do a video about grip and nose angle?
@steveackerman50666 күн бұрын
Wow. Looked like it was a warmup throw😂
@flippeditude11706 күн бұрын
I've watched this video over 20 times. And it is utter trash. Worse than Slingshot's worst video. Yes, we've all watched twirly bird, but THE VAST MAJORITY OF US CANNOT THROW 400 FEET. IT IS NOT "SIMPLE", YOU DISGUSTING A%%HOLE.
@johnnyjones79047 күн бұрын
It doesn't show how far it went 🤷🤷🤷
@blazingsaddles0127 күн бұрын
Throws one thing but what about accuracy
@iro94866 күн бұрын
It's a disc and he's standing still.. what do you think he's throwing it backwards or something😂
@Gh0stz92117 күн бұрын
Nice! I have a hard time with standstills. Still only max out at 300 with small run ups.
@adambroussard81927 күн бұрын
Doesn’t even look like you’re trying. Timing is everything! Question: how do you get distances on your tech disc that actually make sense. Mine are giving me in the low two hundreds for nose down positive launch 58 mph shots
@BlitzDG7 күн бұрын
Just a combination of what disc you select and what your metrics are. You're likely defaulted on a disc that's too fast for your arm speed. This is simulated with a 13 speed.
@filipcza7 күн бұрын
I want to emphasize on that visualization part. I think that is SO underrated. Yes, first you have to know the technique, but the better you become, the more things like visualization start to matter. I see this most in my putting. If I dont visualize, I'm mediocre at putting but when I take the time and put in the effort to visualize the putt, my percentage goes through the roof. I mean it's ridiculous how much higher the percentage is with visualization. So first visualize the throw, then FEEL as you throw how it feels to make that visualization happen. It's a bit hard to explain that feeling part, but you can't concentrate on the mechanics as you throw, it's just too fast, but you can FEEL it happening. That's the key to your nervous system.
@adambroussard819211 күн бұрын
What’s the lowest a pro could shoot out there? The pars seem downright insane!
@BlitzDG11 күн бұрын
Think James Proctor has the record at 6 under.
@adambroussard819210 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG nutty
@slap2go11 күн бұрын
My farthest throws on tech disc are from a 0° to 1° balance of launch angle to nose angle. 5° launch and -4° to -5° nose is good. 0° launch and °1 nose is good too
@BlitzDG11 күн бұрын
Launch + Nose = 6 is a solid starting point for distance throwing. You are too low.
@slap2go10 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG I am not sure if the algorithm changed or I misremembered.i remember looking at the first pro's data and determine what it took to register long throws. I did lose interest in the device when distance seemingly dropped for no reason. Maybe I missed a change. I'll try again with your suggestion, thanks
@llhandj165412 күн бұрын
Okay here we go. This is something I struggle with. Weight. I’m 6ft 320lbs. Got into disc golf to be healthier and be outside and it has help maintain the weight I’m at after having my son. I never spend any time in the gym and want to start. Losing weight and gaining strength must help with distance right. Besides all the other natural benefits of being healthier. Just realized I’m rambling and nothing on the topic of standstill, lol
@MrDAParent12 күн бұрын
DGN video quallity 😅
@ericsherman484413 күн бұрын
Awesome I seen you at South fork landing yesterday didn't want to bother you. It was awesome seeing you out at one of the courses I frequent
@BlitzDG13 күн бұрын
Bother away buddy. Love meeting people on the course!
@SnikkBoy13 күн бұрын
Maaan I miss this place
@seabas2214 күн бұрын
Not too shabby! I'd call that a Single Dragon or Kick the Can Drill as you are only doing half of the drill. Should be kicking and swinging back and forth with both arms/legs for the full Double Dragon.
@AxisDiscPowers15 күн бұрын
Hey @BlitzDG... I thought I would go for 500 on the standstill, but I don't know much about different discs except what people say in videos and I need to invest in some drivers. I bomb my stable 7 speeds on laser lines 420 on a good rip. My radar seems broken after I hit it a few many times, but I think I'm at 70 mph at this point. But what discs would you throw at 70mph or close to it on a slight hyzer to flat on a low launch angle for maximum distance? I'm asking since you've played around with your tech disc so much and have a pretty good overview of what numbers give maximum result. I bought a cheap Lat64 Ballista just to see, but I burn them to rollers or I throw them high and they just turn and fly to the right. I don't want to buy a bunch of discs that are useless to me. I have two really overstable drivers that I can make stand flat on my best x-step. But barely. It almost feels like they start to fade before they leave the hand...hehe. Anyway... On the standstill I'm most comfortable on the slight hyzer to flat release, probably because I started with overstable 7 speeds for practice. So your best suggestion for that type of throw would be really appreciated. Thanks👍😎
@BlitzDG15 күн бұрын
Grab some luster C Emperors. If you are around 70 they will be absolutely perfect on slight hyzer once beat in just a little.
@AxisDiscPowers15 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG OK thanks mate 👍 Then I'll pick one up to see how it flies for me. I bought a bunch of Yikun discs when I started on sale. 5 bucks😜 Time to move on and see what this arm can do...
@mmvanraa15 күн бұрын
You mad lads
@carlosannick15 күн бұрын
I am suffering from elbow pain. This makes sense why I am having pain. I am forcing the weight shift and adding strain to my elbow. Thank you
@seabas2215 күн бұрын
I want to see you do my Double Dragon Drill
@BlitzDG15 күн бұрын
I got you. Tomorrow!
@NickCarroll16 күн бұрын
Sick intro! And this was fun to watch!
@adambroussard819216 күн бұрын
Those pars are silly lol
@Get_YT_Views_17416 күн бұрын
these artists these days don't know how to make good music
@nickgeisler540916 күн бұрын
This is my favorite video by far you guys are krushing it 😮
@OkieTradez16 күн бұрын
i figured out how to get the nose down by putting the disc into my hand and it being able to rest on my fingers without my thumb supporting it with a nose down angle and when i put my thumb on it the disc needs to stay nose down and boom saucer
@kazenix8716 күн бұрын
"You don't want to throw it too far, 500 ft is all we need" is killing me.
@kazenix8716 күн бұрын
also, this course is absurd.
@twofifty616 күн бұрын
You beat me to it! 😂
@BlitzDG15 күн бұрын
In my defense..... He IMMEDIATELY threw it 523 with no look to the basket roflmao.
@NickKrush.DGandFit15 күн бұрын
LOL
@CoreyCaplan16 күн бұрын
you guys are breaking our sport stop it ok don't stop this is sick
@toniafields153617 күн бұрын
I've been playing for 6 months. I 'can't get past the 190's. I'm 56 yr pld woman. I've been watching all kinds of videos. My arm speed is slow. I wish I was more explosive. I also wished I discovered this game when I was younger. I'll keep trying. I think getting into better shape will help. I'm cricketty though in my ankles and left knee. Thanks for the inspiration. I'm gonna keep trying to better my game. I'm hooked!
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
Check out my channel! I have a bunch of coaching vids to get you on the right track!
@brendan367017 күн бұрын
Nick krush is awesome
@luftisbollen17 күн бұрын
you should compare speed with math vs tech disc, and see how accurate it is. i like this format, more coach should show there speed like this and also some slowmotions would be nice 👍 and compare to pros like celvin heimburg or anthony barella..
@NickCarroll17 күн бұрын
I was thinking about how you (Blitz) use Tech Disc a lot, and over the year or so you've been using it, you've been able to dial in a lot of metrics because of it. Whereas Nick hasn't used a Tech Disc, and mostly throws out in a field. 1) Nick might want to visualize lines he would throw, through the net, and just throw. He might be unintentionally correcting what he's doing because he's looking at the net. Also there's a different learning and adjustment pattern between real world flight lines and tuning metrics without the visuals of seeing the disc in flight. 2) I think there's a lot of carryover from making corrections based on Tech Disc, out into a field, or on a course, even though it's probably best to fine tune out there. But I think the TD provides a surprisingly good base. (at least surprising to me) 3) Likewise there's probably a lot of carryover from throwing in real life, to using the TD. Nick's obviously crushing it with these throws, but he probably has only modest levels of tweaking to do in order to get better numbers out of it. And it would be interesting to see how that translates in the real world. 4) I don't know if there's video of the Kayak Point distance competition but I suspect the sheer amount of time Nick spent out on a field, as well as tuning his throws over time, were key to his success there. 5) Blitz had better standstill performance and Nick better walk-up performance. Nick's best performances were with the 360. I think it shows Blitz has more potential if he nails down the walk-up and 360, but I think having such a solid standstill base has merits. It may be so good that he may not be able to eek out much more in distance, but it may also show that standstill is underrated for distance. Nick is relatively light and lithe so may have more distance potential from movement than Blitz, who is more built and stocky. Just stuff to think about. I loved the video! 😁
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
Nick definitely outpaces me in pure field throws. His distance lines are WAY better than mine. Tech Disc is only a tool.
@NickCarroll17 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG I love the crossover aspects between the TD and fieldwork. Looking forward to Nick's video too!
@kazenix8717 күн бұрын
Throwing into a net always gets in my head vs throwing in a field
@MrSlowrolla17 күн бұрын
How did you get the results read out?
@blueshiftt17 күн бұрын
Enable Audio Notifications from the in-app settings (From top-right profile icon)
@MattRobertsonDG17 күн бұрын
I’ve been waiting sooo long for this 😂
@KhufuhK17 күн бұрын
I also throw worse into a net. I don't know what it is
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
Pretty normal for the first week or 2 for everyone. I sent him home with one so the beast is coming :)
@disc-golf-neil17 күн бұрын
@NickKrush.DGandFit if you do another sesh and want to try some nose down cues that worked for me with the tech disc, it would be interesting to see if you get similar results! Any time I get nose up when turning the key, I use the cue: keep the pronation longer into the pull through so that turning the key happens more on the way out of the pocket instead of on the way into the pocket. When I see something like +5 nose up and then I do that, I often get -4, -6, or -8 right after, but that's because I've had nose up with turning the key too early many times before. The timing keeps slipping and getting too early and I have to keep doing this. My best guess for what's happening there for me is when I hit the end of turning the key too earl there's some rebound back in the other direction just before the hit because it's hard to dynamically finish supinating then just pause and hold it there without anything else happening. The other cue that had the biggest nose down results for me was an exaggerated inverted swoop: exaggerated low reach back with an initial pull through along that reach back angle but then curve the pull through to level it out more at the end.
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
I think all of this is compensation for swing path issues.
@disc-golf-neil17 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG the second one I mentioned is literally a swing path adjustment. The exaggeration part to initially try it would be over compensation to start of course but otherwise it’s just actually adjusting the path. Turn the key can be done in either case tho so I wouldn’t recommend it to an average player who has a massive swoop air bounce swing path, I’m assuming that’s more what you’re getting at? A perfect swing path can produce quite a bit of nose up still with just a bit of last second pronation as well I think.
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
Yeah I think most people have nose up from elbow drop/shrugging/external shoulder rotation at the hit, AKA not letting the elbow open freely to snap the disc out. We don't want any kind of swoops if we can help it. If you have a perfect swing path there is no need to pronate. The disc is going to be pulling your elbow open on plane and you would have to try to change it's path to have that issue.
@disc-golf-neil17 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG I agree for the most part, my point about pronation wasn't that you should do it, it's the opposite. It's just an example that even with a perfect swing path a single small problem can negate all the nose benefits of the swing path and so you might still need to supinate more whether static or dynamic. I'm assuming that by swing path you mean more of the whole arm motion, because you can have the same overall arm swing motion but have wrist adjustments within that (more / less wrist curl or pronation or supination). I think a mild inverted swoop is fairly common among pros though. Their elbow starts lower during reachback and is then raised higher as they come into the pocket, so as the elbow is raised the hand is raised up with it (the hand can still remain lower than elbow though from internal rotation) but this raising of the elbow results in a non-straight line pull through like Ezra A demonstrates with exaggeration in his 'nosy' video.
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
I totally get what you’re saying and mean no disrespect. I just think actively supinating or pronating is a bandaid that will just have you fighting nose forever. You are certainly not the only one who preaches it! There are a billion people who use complex swing planes, they just aren’t what I teach or believe is best!
@ks-pg5sh17 күн бұрын
Which of the TechDisc molds are you guys using?
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
Force is yellow. Destroyer is Lime!
@adamhinton80718 күн бұрын
Definitely yes on the coaching video!
@norwoodgolf818 күн бұрын
About the 360 at the end...Visionary sells a 22' wide net that might have caught that throw. 😉
@norwoodgolf818 күн бұрын
Hey, is this at Central Park in Issaquah?
@BlitzDG18 күн бұрын
Indeed!
@OutThereImages18 күн бұрын
Clint what are you doing to get those nose down angles? Super impressive !
@TwoOneSe7en17 күн бұрын
Here to ask the same thing. I’ve thrown 430, 452, 460, 475 at my best, but not common. For the life of me, I could ‘t get a negative nose angle on the tech disc I tried. 🫤
@BlitzDG17 күн бұрын
Do swirly bird into throws relaxed and tell me what happens to your nose angle. It’s not a trick it’s just letting things happen as they happen without tension. It’s the pronation, supination, elbow drop, external rotation of the shoulder, shrugging that jacks people up. I don’t think I’ve ever had someone do swirly bird into throws and throw nose up that way. It’s only when you try to override the leg power that you have issues. You gotta follow it and let the elbow open on plane. I call it opening the gate.
@OutThereImages17 күн бұрын
@@BlitzDG Thank you for the very thoughtful and helpful response! It makes sense and I’ll use that my next Tech Disc sesh and report back.
@jerkwagon18 күн бұрын
top speed 81 for 360!
@price.gaines18 күн бұрын
Don’t know what his typical speeds are but here’s my guesses: Standstill: 68 X-step: 72 360: 75
@luftisbollen17 күн бұрын
i was thinking 70 80 90 for crush and 74 70 70 fot blitz
@kserres18 күн бұрын
that 360 at the very end. impressive ;)
@adamkirschner635419 күн бұрын
Antilling is my new favorite verb
@ClimbTimeRC20 күн бұрын
For some reason I can do it perfectly with my left arm/elbow, but my dominant hand (right hand) it wants to dip. Very weird!
Пікірлер
Great advice. Thanks.
eyes opening moment for me. working lately on my lower body i lost all my power and snap. I forgot about upper body i checked my form on video and i do almost all of those mistakes! Thanks for that video
So I have tried this for three days. Can’t get faster than 50. Most throws are 45. Not sure what to do next
Join the discord and ask for help :) I have some other videos that might help if you're doing some major things wrong!
This series is exactly the type of content that I want! It's like a deep-dive course into technique... but free. P.S. Adding chapter/section timestamps would be a nice improvement.
absurd
can you do a video about grip and nose angle?
Wow. Looked like it was a warmup throw😂
I've watched this video over 20 times. And it is utter trash. Worse than Slingshot's worst video. Yes, we've all watched twirly bird, but THE VAST MAJORITY OF US CANNOT THROW 400 FEET. IT IS NOT "SIMPLE", YOU DISGUSTING A%%HOLE.
It doesn't show how far it went 🤷🤷🤷
Throws one thing but what about accuracy
It's a disc and he's standing still.. what do you think he's throwing it backwards or something😂
Nice! I have a hard time with standstills. Still only max out at 300 with small run ups.
Doesn’t even look like you’re trying. Timing is everything! Question: how do you get distances on your tech disc that actually make sense. Mine are giving me in the low two hundreds for nose down positive launch 58 mph shots
Just a combination of what disc you select and what your metrics are. You're likely defaulted on a disc that's too fast for your arm speed. This is simulated with a 13 speed.
I want to emphasize on that visualization part. I think that is SO underrated. Yes, first you have to know the technique, but the better you become, the more things like visualization start to matter. I see this most in my putting. If I dont visualize, I'm mediocre at putting but when I take the time and put in the effort to visualize the putt, my percentage goes through the roof. I mean it's ridiculous how much higher the percentage is with visualization. So first visualize the throw, then FEEL as you throw how it feels to make that visualization happen. It's a bit hard to explain that feeling part, but you can't concentrate on the mechanics as you throw, it's just too fast, but you can FEEL it happening. That's the key to your nervous system.
What’s the lowest a pro could shoot out there? The pars seem downright insane!
Think James Proctor has the record at 6 under.
@@BlitzDG nutty
My farthest throws on tech disc are from a 0° to 1° balance of launch angle to nose angle. 5° launch and -4° to -5° nose is good. 0° launch and °1 nose is good too
Launch + Nose = 6 is a solid starting point for distance throwing. You are too low.
@@BlitzDG I am not sure if the algorithm changed or I misremembered.i remember looking at the first pro's data and determine what it took to register long throws. I did lose interest in the device when distance seemingly dropped for no reason. Maybe I missed a change. I'll try again with your suggestion, thanks
Okay here we go. This is something I struggle with. Weight. I’m 6ft 320lbs. Got into disc golf to be healthier and be outside and it has help maintain the weight I’m at after having my son. I never spend any time in the gym and want to start. Losing weight and gaining strength must help with distance right. Besides all the other natural benefits of being healthier. Just realized I’m rambling and nothing on the topic of standstill, lol
DGN video quallity 😅
Awesome I seen you at South fork landing yesterday didn't want to bother you. It was awesome seeing you out at one of the courses I frequent
Bother away buddy. Love meeting people on the course!
Maaan I miss this place
Not too shabby! I'd call that a Single Dragon or Kick the Can Drill as you are only doing half of the drill. Should be kicking and swinging back and forth with both arms/legs for the full Double Dragon.
Hey @BlitzDG... I thought I would go for 500 on the standstill, but I don't know much about different discs except what people say in videos and I need to invest in some drivers. I bomb my stable 7 speeds on laser lines 420 on a good rip. My radar seems broken after I hit it a few many times, but I think I'm at 70 mph at this point. But what discs would you throw at 70mph or close to it on a slight hyzer to flat on a low launch angle for maximum distance? I'm asking since you've played around with your tech disc so much and have a pretty good overview of what numbers give maximum result. I bought a cheap Lat64 Ballista just to see, but I burn them to rollers or I throw them high and they just turn and fly to the right. I don't want to buy a bunch of discs that are useless to me. I have two really overstable drivers that I can make stand flat on my best x-step. But barely. It almost feels like they start to fade before they leave the hand...hehe. Anyway... On the standstill I'm most comfortable on the slight hyzer to flat release, probably because I started with overstable 7 speeds for practice. So your best suggestion for that type of throw would be really appreciated. Thanks👍😎
Grab some luster C Emperors. If you are around 70 they will be absolutely perfect on slight hyzer once beat in just a little.
@@BlitzDG OK thanks mate 👍 Then I'll pick one up to see how it flies for me. I bought a bunch of Yikun discs when I started on sale. 5 bucks😜 Time to move on and see what this arm can do...
You mad lads
I am suffering from elbow pain. This makes sense why I am having pain. I am forcing the weight shift and adding strain to my elbow. Thank you
I want to see you do my Double Dragon Drill
I got you. Tomorrow!
Sick intro! And this was fun to watch!
Those pars are silly lol
these artists these days don't know how to make good music
This is my favorite video by far you guys are krushing it 😮
i figured out how to get the nose down by putting the disc into my hand and it being able to rest on my fingers without my thumb supporting it with a nose down angle and when i put my thumb on it the disc needs to stay nose down and boom saucer
"You don't want to throw it too far, 500 ft is all we need" is killing me.
also, this course is absurd.
You beat me to it! 😂
In my defense..... He IMMEDIATELY threw it 523 with no look to the basket roflmao.
LOL
you guys are breaking our sport stop it ok don't stop this is sick
I've been playing for 6 months. I 'can't get past the 190's. I'm 56 yr pld woman. I've been watching all kinds of videos. My arm speed is slow. I wish I was more explosive. I also wished I discovered this game when I was younger. I'll keep trying. I think getting into better shape will help. I'm cricketty though in my ankles and left knee. Thanks for the inspiration. I'm gonna keep trying to better my game. I'm hooked!
Check out my channel! I have a bunch of coaching vids to get you on the right track!
Nick krush is awesome
you should compare speed with math vs tech disc, and see how accurate it is. i like this format, more coach should show there speed like this and also some slowmotions would be nice 👍 and compare to pros like celvin heimburg or anthony barella..
I was thinking about how you (Blitz) use Tech Disc a lot, and over the year or so you've been using it, you've been able to dial in a lot of metrics because of it. Whereas Nick hasn't used a Tech Disc, and mostly throws out in a field. 1) Nick might want to visualize lines he would throw, through the net, and just throw. He might be unintentionally correcting what he's doing because he's looking at the net. Also there's a different learning and adjustment pattern between real world flight lines and tuning metrics without the visuals of seeing the disc in flight. 2) I think there's a lot of carryover from making corrections based on Tech Disc, out into a field, or on a course, even though it's probably best to fine tune out there. But I think the TD provides a surprisingly good base. (at least surprising to me) 3) Likewise there's probably a lot of carryover from throwing in real life, to using the TD. Nick's obviously crushing it with these throws, but he probably has only modest levels of tweaking to do in order to get better numbers out of it. And it would be interesting to see how that translates in the real world. 4) I don't know if there's video of the Kayak Point distance competition but I suspect the sheer amount of time Nick spent out on a field, as well as tuning his throws over time, were key to his success there. 5) Blitz had better standstill performance and Nick better walk-up performance. Nick's best performances were with the 360. I think it shows Blitz has more potential if he nails down the walk-up and 360, but I think having such a solid standstill base has merits. It may be so good that he may not be able to eek out much more in distance, but it may also show that standstill is underrated for distance. Nick is relatively light and lithe so may have more distance potential from movement than Blitz, who is more built and stocky. Just stuff to think about. I loved the video! 😁
Nick definitely outpaces me in pure field throws. His distance lines are WAY better than mine. Tech Disc is only a tool.
@@BlitzDG I love the crossover aspects between the TD and fieldwork. Looking forward to Nick's video too!
Throwing into a net always gets in my head vs throwing in a field
How did you get the results read out?
Enable Audio Notifications from the in-app settings (From top-right profile icon)
I’ve been waiting sooo long for this 😂
I also throw worse into a net. I don't know what it is
Pretty normal for the first week or 2 for everyone. I sent him home with one so the beast is coming :)
@NickKrush.DGandFit if you do another sesh and want to try some nose down cues that worked for me with the tech disc, it would be interesting to see if you get similar results! Any time I get nose up when turning the key, I use the cue: keep the pronation longer into the pull through so that turning the key happens more on the way out of the pocket instead of on the way into the pocket. When I see something like +5 nose up and then I do that, I often get -4, -6, or -8 right after, but that's because I've had nose up with turning the key too early many times before. The timing keeps slipping and getting too early and I have to keep doing this. My best guess for what's happening there for me is when I hit the end of turning the key too earl there's some rebound back in the other direction just before the hit because it's hard to dynamically finish supinating then just pause and hold it there without anything else happening. The other cue that had the biggest nose down results for me was an exaggerated inverted swoop: exaggerated low reach back with an initial pull through along that reach back angle but then curve the pull through to level it out more at the end.
I think all of this is compensation for swing path issues.
@@BlitzDG the second one I mentioned is literally a swing path adjustment. The exaggeration part to initially try it would be over compensation to start of course but otherwise it’s just actually adjusting the path. Turn the key can be done in either case tho so I wouldn’t recommend it to an average player who has a massive swoop air bounce swing path, I’m assuming that’s more what you’re getting at? A perfect swing path can produce quite a bit of nose up still with just a bit of last second pronation as well I think.
Yeah I think most people have nose up from elbow drop/shrugging/external shoulder rotation at the hit, AKA not letting the elbow open freely to snap the disc out. We don't want any kind of swoops if we can help it. If you have a perfect swing path there is no need to pronate. The disc is going to be pulling your elbow open on plane and you would have to try to change it's path to have that issue.
@@BlitzDG I agree for the most part, my point about pronation wasn't that you should do it, it's the opposite. It's just an example that even with a perfect swing path a single small problem can negate all the nose benefits of the swing path and so you might still need to supinate more whether static or dynamic. I'm assuming that by swing path you mean more of the whole arm motion, because you can have the same overall arm swing motion but have wrist adjustments within that (more / less wrist curl or pronation or supination). I think a mild inverted swoop is fairly common among pros though. Their elbow starts lower during reachback and is then raised higher as they come into the pocket, so as the elbow is raised the hand is raised up with it (the hand can still remain lower than elbow though from internal rotation) but this raising of the elbow results in a non-straight line pull through like Ezra A demonstrates with exaggeration in his 'nosy' video.
I totally get what you’re saying and mean no disrespect. I just think actively supinating or pronating is a bandaid that will just have you fighting nose forever. You are certainly not the only one who preaches it! There are a billion people who use complex swing planes, they just aren’t what I teach or believe is best!
Which of the TechDisc molds are you guys using?
Force is yellow. Destroyer is Lime!
Definitely yes on the coaching video!
About the 360 at the end...Visionary sells a 22' wide net that might have caught that throw. 😉
Hey, is this at Central Park in Issaquah?
Indeed!
Clint what are you doing to get those nose down angles? Super impressive !
Here to ask the same thing. I’ve thrown 430, 452, 460, 475 at my best, but not common. For the life of me, I could ‘t get a negative nose angle on the tech disc I tried. 🫤
Do swirly bird into throws relaxed and tell me what happens to your nose angle. It’s not a trick it’s just letting things happen as they happen without tension. It’s the pronation, supination, elbow drop, external rotation of the shoulder, shrugging that jacks people up. I don’t think I’ve ever had someone do swirly bird into throws and throw nose up that way. It’s only when you try to override the leg power that you have issues. You gotta follow it and let the elbow open on plane. I call it opening the gate.
@@BlitzDG Thank you for the very thoughtful and helpful response! It makes sense and I’ll use that my next Tech Disc sesh and report back.
top speed 81 for 360!
Don’t know what his typical speeds are but here’s my guesses: Standstill: 68 X-step: 72 360: 75
i was thinking 70 80 90 for crush and 74 70 70 fot blitz
that 360 at the very end. impressive ;)
Antilling is my new favorite verb
For some reason I can do it perfectly with my left arm/elbow, but my dominant hand (right hand) it wants to dip. Very weird!