Glad it was of some interest. I try to share experiences to inform others. I made this series to try to display some of the changes the TET can offer, as from what I see on Facebook, many are not prepared for their first trip.
@chelmialouest_motorcycle303629 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video, interesting, I have a PR7 from 2021, I changed the clutch receiver with an Oberon as a preventive measure at 16200 km, there were no problems with the original one. At 28100 km, the original master cylinder failed, and I had to change the piston and seals (aliexpress kit), as the clutch had been acting up for a while. Since then, I've always a clutch master cylinder repair kit with me, just in case.
@markp87PR728 күн бұрын
You have had much better luck than me, my master failed at 8500kms and the Oberon did about 4k and original slave did about 8k in total... perhaps it's me😁
@chelmialouest_motorcycle303627 күн бұрын
@@markp87PR7 Surprising for the Oberon, just for information, when I received the Oberon the clip that holds the ball / piston was not correctly positioned, perhaps if I had mounted it without looking it would have failed quickly. Today the Oberon has 15300 km
@markp87PR727 күн бұрын
@@chelmialouest_motorcycle3036 I really hope this new system will perform as well as yours. The time off the road and cash spent, let alone the couple of 40kms rides home clutch less, are wearing a bit thin 😁
@chelmialouest_motorcycle303627 күн бұрын
@@markp87PR7 🤞
@chelmialouest_motorcycle303629 күн бұрын
Hello @markp87PR7, do you have the Brembo reference of the master cylinder ? thank's
@markp87PR728 күн бұрын
No I don't unfortunately. Nothing visible on the cylinder. www.gasafonsvng.com/es/accesoris/ in Spain are showing them for sale at 121.93 euros & Oberon for 209.95 + shipping. The pipe is much thicker than the original and fitment on the master is different so AJP order for 2024 model or get one made I suppose. Sorry I can't be more help.
@chelmialouest_motorcycle303627 күн бұрын
@@markp87PR7 Thank's for the link and the information,
@nemoltuАй бұрын
Wow, not a cheap option, but good to know, Thank you!
@markp87PR7Ай бұрын
Definitely not cheap! But it does get me a DOT 4 system which will hopefully improve reliability 🤞🤞🤞😏
@atprodT700Ай бұрын
Hi, thank you for this short video. I have an AJP PR 7 from 2023 my clutch transmitter is identical to the one on the right however the receiver is different, I ordered a replacement OBERON CLU 1500 in case of breakdown, but I leave the original one as long that it works. What is the model year of your motorcycle and how many kilometers have you traveled it? THANKS
@markp87PR7Ай бұрын
Mine is a 2021 model and I've covered just over 12k so far. I have had the original master seal fail and both the standard and Oberon slaves fail. I'm hoping this new setup will be more reliable🤞
@atprodT700Ай бұрын
@@markp87PR7 mine has 8500km ordered in May 2023 received at the end of September 2023. I have not had any problems with the clutch transmitter or receiver for the moment. you have not made use of the guarantee or the formal defect in the case of a spare part which is original defective given the low mileage this is not normal. The fact that the problem is known should not make it acceptable
@markp87PR7Ай бұрын
@@atprodT700 I agree, the first issue I had was a split master cylinder rubber at around 8500kms. Clutch had not been great from purchase and the split looked suspiciously like a screwdriver blade damage on installation, a fact I passed back to AJP France. The Oberon failure was my biggest surprise. Sadly, both events happened outside of the time warranty of the manufacturer. But yes, you would hope that the low Kms would warrant some manufacturer consideration. I'm praying the investment was worth it, we shall see 🤞
@Chris_Z.Ай бұрын
@@markp87PR7 I have the 2022 model. 15k and at this stage no issue with system. Works fine.
@markp87PR7Ай бұрын
@@Chris_Z. Just the luck of the draw I guess... I'm not renowned for my good fortune, that's for certain 😏
@runaaedgarsАй бұрын
I put Oberon slave cylinder and Magura master cylinder. Works perfect and the price is way lower. Magura cost like 330€.
@markp87PR7Ай бұрын
As part of my upgrade I wanted to get away from specialist fluids. Also, the version of the Magura I looked at didn't have the combined mirror mount. So taking all that into account I preferred the Dot4 option of the Brembo 🤞😎
@Actionoffroad4 ай бұрын
Merci pour cette vidéo instructive . J'avais ce même dilem il y a 2 ans et la pr7 faisait partie des motos que j'avais selectionné . j'ai choisi une autre monture pour une question de prix , mais je regarde toujours cette moto qui est pour moi aussi , un excellent choix .✌
@markp87PR74 ай бұрын
merci beaucoup pour le commentaire, je suis heureux qu'il ait été intéressant. Je suis très satisfait de ma décision et de la propriété du PR7. Parfois, les gens laissent la puissance ou les noms de marque guider leur choix. Budget, je peux comprendre. Avec de nombreuses recherches, un budget limité m'a guidé vers d'excellents produits alternatifs, pourquoi payer plus pour profiter du trajet si vous n'en avez pas besoin. Merci encore d'avoir pris le temps de commenter, toujours apprécié 👍
@erkful5 ай бұрын
All that time and research and you ended up with arguably the worst tyre for adv riding.
@markp87PR75 ай бұрын
It sounds like you have had a very different experience with the tyre to myself. What bike did you use them on and at what pressures? Tyre choice is defined by use, so we all have different parameters for our purchases. For me, cost effectiveness and road mileage were big pieces of the puzzle. If you trailer your bike to your off road riding area, then road use has no bearing on tyre choice. I however, usually prefer to ride not trailer my PR7 so those road miles count. I see comments about tyres that perform great off road and rubbish on road. They usually last 2-3k if you're lucky. I am currently at 12000kms on these tyres and they have taken me anywhere I want to go. My riding buddy prefers a more agressive tyre for his aggressive riding style. With roughly the same distance covered, he is already on his 3rd set of tyres. Most people write this tyre off due to the way it looks, that is their loss. The traction and clearance of the rear tyre in particular is phenominal and with the correct pressure settings, this tyre does everything I need it to. I expect to still be using these when my buddy is on his 5th set of tyres. 'Cash in the Bank'... thanks for your comment
@erkful5 ай бұрын
@@markp87PR7 I had them on a 1290, reasonable tyre on dry roads, absolutely dangerous in the wet. I’ll take grip over longevity anyday. I tried various pressures ended up throwing them in the bin at 5000ks
@erkful5 ай бұрын
I tried them on a 1290, they were fair at best, dangerous in the wet at worst, in the wet my tc was going nonstop. Off road they were fine on gravel etc but crap in the mud although that was to be expected. I’ll take grip over longevity all day every day. They may be ok on lower powered bike that don’t overpower the lack of wet road grip.
@markp87PR75 ай бұрын
I had similar issues in the early days until I went out on a limb with trying what I saw as extreme changes to tyre pressures. Just for interest sake, I entered a bike weight of 230kg and a front/rear split of 40/60 (couldn't find a weight split reference). ( Too many guestimates here) for the 1290, My tyre calculator suggested 26lbs Front and 23.5 rear for speeds upto 110kph. ..17 front and 14.5lbs rear for mud.... and 34.5 front and 32lds rear for up to 150kph. TET use would be 20 front and 17lbs rear. Did you get this low on pressures in your explorations? As I said I am not a tyre engineer and we all have to seek our own pressures. The tyres were designed more for the 1290 than the PR7, they are a much wider spec than the AJP's. Thanks again for taking the time to comment, sorry the tyre didn't work out for you.
@jamesfairmind22475 ай бұрын
MarkP87, this is the most useful video anybody has produced for the PR7 with regard to long distance luggage solutions. Thank you very much for posting it and for providing the links for the kit. Now I know there is a rack system available it makes this great bike a serious choice for long distance international adventure for myself, all the best from Devon and many thanks again for your helpful advice.
@markp87PR75 ай бұрын
Thank you James for your very kind words. I believe there is more than one option now, certainly for rear carriers like 3D Moto etc. Most PR7 riders are TET orientated and strap on bags are usually favoured. I developed the bike to be a great all rounder (watch 3 bikes, if you haven't already) and the pannier frames are a useful part of the concept. Back in 2019 it was hard to find PR7 information so I hoped that sharing my months of research would help make it easier. Suppliers and products change and indeed some of the items I linked to are no longer available. The good news is that more and more small manufactures are making great products now for the bike, so things are looking good for this great motorcycle. I'm a west country lad myself but do enjoy living here in central France. Thanks again for your comment and regards from Haute Vienne.
@kiwiadventurer6 ай бұрын
An impressive well thought out presentation Mark, like your style. I'm coming up to making the same decision. My AT gets a bit intimidating at times for off road, especially here in New Zealands South Island. I added a CRF Rally 300 but ideally 40 to 50hp would be more realistic and under 150kg wet. I rode a mates well set up DR 400 enought to realise had I known, I would not have bought the 300. I spent big on suspension and and now am sitting in inbetween waiting to see what my options are. For me the perfect bike would be the ktm 500 or Husky 501 but because of plastic subframes and low service intervals and a starting price around $17000+nzd before I even start, the Kove looks bloody attractive. If they get compliance adr in Australia I'll go over and tour Aus and bring it back. Meantime its down to the Sth Island with my Honda 300 for a month in February.
@markp87PR76 ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment! My riding buddy has 2 Africa Twins, the original and a new model. He now rides the PR7 and loves it. For the money I feel it's hard to beat. The standard output is fine for me and has taken me anywhere I need to go. Servicing schedules was the main issue for me when looking at the enduro options around in 2019. The Kove does indeed look interesting, though I do wonder about the long distance road aspect, which is important to my all round utilisation. NZ is my dream destination and I hope to holiday there in the next few years. I know a couple of ex UK guys who live there and it would be good to see them again. Meanwhile, enjoy your ride on South Island... wish I was there! ;-)
@TheMadEnglishman6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this mate, it probably took you 10's or 100's of hours of work to get to this point, and you've then imparted that knowledge to me in a matter of minutes. Really is appreciated, thanks again.
@markp87PR76 ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment, that is also much appreciated. I don't know if you've watched the 'Tyre Pressures 2' video, but It gives a breakdown of the maths to do the calculations. I have fine tuned the pressures for my PR7 with the TrailMax Mission Tyre and I will put up a post in the community tab with my latest results. The '8500kms on the TrailMax Mission' video also has some insight if it's of any interest. Currently on around 12000kms with this set and plenty to go. Regards MarkP
@scannorse7 ай бұрын
Good video 😊
@markp87PR77 ай бұрын
Thank you! Just trying to show the full range of options for the PR7 ;-)
@andyseavill64357 ай бұрын
I take my tea with milk and 1 sugar..thanks Mark
@nathanbanks70917 ай бұрын
I have 200 miles on my 2023 US model PR7. It is winter now. Bad time to buy a new bike. The suspension it fantastic. If it is reliable, it will be the perfect motorcycle (for me)
@markp87PR77 ай бұрын
I certainly have no regrets for purchasing my '21 PR7. Reliability is good, just a few things to watch out for.... Keep a check on expansion tank top, make sure it stays tight. Generally check bolts during these early days, particularly the engine guard. I would recommend a couple of well placed cable ties to secure it incase the single bolt works loose. I actually lost mine and unbelievably have no idea when it came of. My riding buddy had the manifold bolts work loose early on, so worth a check. Most importantly, make sure you waterproof all electrical connectors, especially the groups either side of the frame behind the radiators. They are in direct line of the front wheel water through off. Be precise with the rear brake adjustment, there is a fine line between a full pedal and brake binding with the subsequent over heating of pads and disc. If you maintain the bike I am sure it will meet or exceed your expectations. Thanks for the comment, hope you enjoy your new bike ;-)
@nathanbanks70917 ай бұрын
Mine is the US model. I don't have any emissions bs to mess with, but I do have to jump through a few hoops to make it road legal. The US version is off-road only due to some silly importation rules. That means it is exempt from emissions compliance. The US version comes standard with the Doma exhaust and high performance tune, but is missing the turn indicators and mirrors. In that configuration the engine has loads of power. The low and mid range is very strong. I haven't pushed it hard at high rpm, I'm still breaking it in. I love the suspension and handling off-road. As with my other bikes, I will change the oil much more frequently than the recommended intervals. With the high performance tune and lots of dirt riding, clean oil and filters are important. My main concern with reliability is mostly because of the race tune. I am impressed with the build quality of the chassis, and most of the components seem to be high spec stuff. Many riders of other bikes would pay several hundred dollars for an aftermarket saddle as good as the one that came stock on the PR7. I am pleased with my purchase. I definitely will grease all the electrical connectors, thank you for the suggestion. I am also looking at various options for luggage. None of my kit from my KLR will fit the PR7. Im looking at small to medium capacity rackless setups that are not ridiculously expensive. I think I have my rear bags picked out picked out, but I am looking for a small to medium tank bag that fits the PR7 well.
@markp87PR76 ай бұрын
Good to hear you are pleased with the bike. I change the oil every 2500kms which works well, I don't ride mine too hard though. I have spent several 8hr plus days in the saddle and it is pretty good. While riding with a group of riders last year.. all sporting custom or sheep skin saddle mods, they all started feeling the pain around the same time as I did, so I think it is easily good enough. I can't make any suggestions for a tank bag sorry, I went down the handlebar bag route which was sufficient for my needs. Good luck on your search and enjoy the ride :-)
@DBGE0016 ай бұрын
Hello, thanks for the video on the PR7. Can you elaborate on how you water proofed the electric connectors that are positioned behind the radiators? @@markp87PR7
@guillaume05ch7 ай бұрын
Bonjour, quelle sont les performances moteur? (Puissance)? Savez-vous si la moto est homologuable avec le kit de puissance supplémentaire?
@markp87PR77 ай бұрын
Bonjour, la puissance standard est d'environ 48 ch. Le kit de mise sous tension ajoute environ 12 ch et est destiné à une utilisation en compétition. L'échappement n'a pas de capteur dans le collecteur et n'est donc pas strictement légal sur route, bien que le kit puisse être installé après-vente. Vous trouverez de nombreux coureurs l'utilisant inscrits sur la route ;-)
@guillaume05ch7 ай бұрын
@@markp87PR7 Bonsoir. Merci beaucoup de la réponse détaillée. Je suis intéressé à acheter le modèle 2023. Mais les informations ne sont pas faciles à trouver. N'est ce pas possible d'ajouter la puissance via le ECU sans changer le pot?
@markp87PR77 ай бұрын
Je n'ai aucune information sur le modèle '23 désolé. Sur le modèle '21, l'ECU était configuré pour fonctionner sans capteur, le régime de ralenti était également plus élevé. J'imagine que la conformité à la norme Euro 5 rend les choses plus difficiles. Je dirais que mon modèle standard n'a jamais ressenti de manque de puissance même à pleine charge et je suis content de mon choix. Évidemment, la puissance supplémentaire peut offrir plus de « plaisir » au pilote expérimenté. Contactez Mark Morales chez AJP France, il pourra vous donner des conseils sur les derniers détails du modèle. J'espère que cela aide
@guillaume05ch7 ай бұрын
@@markp87PR7 merci beaucoup des informations précieuses :)
@Meglification8 ай бұрын
What is it that you have under your fairing/headlight and above the front fender? I presume its a wind buffeting feature, but does it have any major effect?
@markp87PR78 ай бұрын
It is actually my attempt at a mud deflector. I had too much dirty water enter around the light pod in the early days, cleaning was a pain. So I made the plate to limit the water ingress. It has worked and I forget it's there now 😉
@Wrong-Way-Round10 ай бұрын
I would not consider mounting a camera on top of the helmet, too dangerous in event of a self inflicted crash or being taken out by some other vehicle. This was the reason that F1's Michael Schumacher is in the state he is today (the camera/mount going thro' his helmet on impact into his brain) As for quality with the 360, this video is one of the worst I've seen, nothing was crisp or sharp about it, might have been just wrong settings for the application. Best positioning I find is to have the 360 on an extended 'stick' as far back facing forwards or as far forward facing back, with Gopro on a chin mount, yes tall screens can get in the way but this also adds to the riders perspective giving the viewer more of a riding experience especially when standing up oor sitting down.
@markp87PR710 ай бұрын
Each to their own. Thanks for the comment!
@Angry-Lynx10 ай бұрын
Psycho 😂👍🏻
@markp87PR710 ай бұрын
Just an inquisitive mind 🙄😁
@gnarlybadger69010 ай бұрын
Enjoyed watching, sometimes as a more confident and seasoned rider it’s easy to forget how what seems a reasonably straightforward trail can be a real challenge for a newcomer. Thanks for sharing 🤘🏻
@markp87PR710 ай бұрын
Thank you for that, I am expecting a hammering from the TET elitists. At 63 the more physical routes can take their toll. But the more I do, the more my confidence grows. Richard looks for a challenge so I do what I can and bypass the sections beyond my current skill level. Without novice riders the TET won't grow so nurture is important I feel. Thanks again for your understanding! 👍😎
@gradocchio10 ай бұрын
Live in Valencia, just took delivery of a 2023 PR7, as soon as I get her to where I can touch the ground (Novatech Suspension) I will start exploring the TET!
@markp87PR710 ай бұрын
Great news! Pleased to hear it. I look forward to your TET stories ;-) I loved riding in Spain, hope to get back soon.
@gradocchio11 ай бұрын
Great video, my 23 PR7 arrives in 3 days! Quick question, can you give a link to the rally screen extension you have mounted? Does it do a better job at motorway speeds?
@markp87PR711 ай бұрын
amzn.eu/d/9Rd04HN this is the screen Gary. It works well once you set the angle to suit. I can feel the wind sheer above the helmet when I stick a hand up.
@chillon2922X11 ай бұрын
Hi , you need to stand up. Its easier, safer and better for your back ;-)
@markp87PR711 ай бұрын
Yep! Usually do. For this section there was limited headroom in most places. In the beginning we were ducking under branches while sat down. Also, 5hrs or so into a very technical day, so conserving energy was also a factor. Richard has been riding for over 35yrs and employs the most relevant technique to any situation. He was riding my PR7, which has a very different set up to his own so familiarity was another issue. For sure the video does not convey the reality of this climb. ;-)
@chillon2922X11 ай бұрын
@@markp87PR7 i was just joking. ;-) yeah, it's always like that with the angle. Congrats for the pr7. Thinking about giving away my wr450 and buying a pr7 myself.. Are you satisfied? What brand are the rims? Can't find a information...
@markp87PR711 ай бұрын
@@chillon2922X Not sure what make the standard rims are sorry, not something I have investigated. The PR7 itself is great, it's not an enduro, but for an adventure bike it comes close. My riding buddy is far more adventurous with his and he has found nothing it can't get through so far. Most of the niggles you might see on the forums are for the older models so the year is important when purchasing. Most of the problems now have solutions so nothing that can't be fixed. Hope it helps.
@andyseavill643511 ай бұрын
A nice little technical ride out!👍
@markp87PR711 ай бұрын
Yes it was! :-)
@vitorlopes206411 ай бұрын
👌
@markp87PR711 ай бұрын
;-)
@adventure503 Жыл бұрын
I bought a new 2022 model in Nov last year. I rode it in Australia a few months ago. I covered 9500kms, with many serious off road tracks. I carried a Giant Loop , a dry bag with tent, sleeping bag, cooking pots, stove etc , weighing about 20 kilos, and a 6 l fuel bladder, so quite a heavy load all up. The suspension worked perfectly over all sorts of terrain, including many technical difficult tracks, gravel roads and sealed roads. No high speed work. The fuel economy is not great and the 17 litre tank doesn't cover the distances required in Australia. I am getting to grips with the Samsung tablet, and I like it. I am just now setting one up on my KTM 890 Adventure.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Fuel economy is much lower off road in low gear work. I have got the claimed mileage on long road trips. I am considering changing the rear sprocket to a 38 tooth, as I feel I have plenty of scope to do that with the 1st gear ratio and it will improve long road section speeds and drop the engine revs. Hopefully it will improve mpg a little too. The PR7 does handle weight well, even with my dropped suspension. Having traveled around Australia as a child, I can understand the need for more miles in the tank :-) I only carry 1.5 ltrs as a local emergency supply, France can have a few gaps between stations too. Also tuck in 3ltrs more if covering distance. Thanks for the info, always good to hear the experience of others ;-)
@andyseavill6435 Жыл бұрын
As always Mark a well presented with great information..keep it up 👆 😂😂😂
@steveh545 Жыл бұрын
Cool. Don’t think I’ll ever mount on top or side of my helmet. Having a PR7, I understand some of the limitations though. Haven’t ridden with a chin mount on this bike yet, maybe I’ll try it later, but sitting will certainly be limited view. I get that on top gives you full access to 360, but I think most riders mount for 180-270 degrees of view, and just move the camera from time to time. (Or can afford 2 camera 😂). Life is full of compromises.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, the second part of the video, through the village, was the chin guard mount. I too didn't want a helmet mounted camera, but apart from remembering to duck, I don't even know its there. I use 3 cages mounted ready to swap the camera around the 3 positions. (can't afford 2 cameras :-) I love the ability with 360 to retrospectively go back and look at the ride from other angles, to see what I missed first time around. .... there is always compromise! ;-)
@steveh545 Жыл бұрын
@@markp87PR7 guess I wasn’t paying enough attention 😂. I’ll go back and rewatch.
@touchingthecloth Жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. What height are you?
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, I'm an average 5'9" but only have a 29" inside leg which is why I felt I had to fit the drop link. My riding buddy has a 32" inside leg and manages ok with his PR7, though he is a more experienced rider than me.
@touchingthecloth Жыл бұрын
@@markp87PR7 thanks!
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
@@touchingthecloth You're welcome, hope it helps
@AdventuringEden Жыл бұрын
What size lomo crash bar bags are they?
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
At this time they were the Lomo medium panniers. I have recently swapped out to the actual crash bar bags but still use one medium on the rear. The specs are contained in my video kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4Stu7xmm7KslNI.html ... Lomo bags on the PR7, if you want to check it out :-) They are all good strong bags.
@JGulickx Жыл бұрын
Such an interesting video but also calm. That's hard to find lately. Very pleasant to watch :)
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jef, I always try to give information over sensationalism... may be I'm just an old geezer ;-)
@john-wq8kf Жыл бұрын
Great well I’ve bought a large set, on my tiger 800 I think I’ll get the crash bar bags after dropping the tiger a few times because prob break some plastic bits at this rate and the bags will protect to some extent
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
My thinking exactly John, the bags are as tough as nails... but dirt cheap to replace should you ever need too. Good luck with the bags and try to keep it upright, they last longer ;-)
@trekOCLVone Жыл бұрын
The Trailmax Misson tire pressure detail is great. I'll keep that information in mind. For the street I'm keeping the front and rear over 33 psi which seems like a lot. I have a TPMS system on my bike and that shows the relationship between the tire temperature rise and the resulting pressure changes. I've read that the pressure is near optimum if a 10% pressure change is seen between starting cold and top temperature after 30 minutes of riding.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. The Versys is comparable in weight to my PR7 and on my experience 33psi was a little to hard. Grip and comfort improved with some pressure reduction. If you haven't seen them yet, you might be interested in my exploration of what pressures to use. kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY6o286cpsbRg7A.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJ1t05luZ5i9qag.html In the second video(if you can stay awake ;-) around 5:36 I have a list of my preferred pressures. Tyre wear seems to be good and speed appears to be the guiding factor for me. Thanks again and ride safe!
@jacksonmaingi75 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on racking up 10K+ kilometers and the 25K views Mark! 👏👏👏 Always a learning experience and worthy info-taiment watching tour videos... #RideOn
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jackson, it's all about the information. I hope to do better with future uploads once I've mastered the new camera and software ;-)
@veedub1762 Жыл бұрын
I so enjoyed watching this. Thanks for that. Safe Travels!
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I hope to make the future videos a bit more interesting. Playing around with the Insta360 One RS camera at the moment, its capability is astounding. There is a 4k link in the description of 'Insta360 One RS Part 4', if you would like to see a high resolution example test of what it can do. Ride carefully and thanks again :-)
@veedub1762 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! All I wouls say is that your long distance load is looking a tad too heavy. I ride a T7 and even for long trips I have scaled my luggage right down. Light is right ;)
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the long distance set up is mainly for social trips like returning to see family in the UK for a couple of weeks. I drop the bags for trail riding when I'm there. I have used it for a TET run in Spain and it worked fine. I have developed a smaller pack for TET specific runs (see my TET pack video) and I have been able to purchase a lighter tent etc since making the video. Basic setup adds 20kg, TET adds another 7.5kg and the new long distance setup adds a further 5kg. It puts the bike weight at around 197kg fully loaded, which I believe is a shade lighter than the T7 ;-). There is a video in the pipeline to outline the latest setups due shortly, this will show the changes I've made based on the experience of the last 18 months. Having picked the bike up 5 times during a 3 day trip to the Auvergne, especially when they are upside down! I understand the impact of weight. As they say 'if you don't want to pick it up, don't fall off' :-) I am at a point where improving my riding skills will do more for me than lightening the load I think. Glad you enjoyed the video, I'm just trying to share information. Regards Mark P
@veedub1762 Жыл бұрын
@@markp87PR7 Thanks, Mark. Yup, your bike is definitely lighter right from the start, which makes a huge difference. I will keep watching your videos! :)
@p-dub7422 Жыл бұрын
What a detailed video! What kind of gloves are those that you show at the end? I see that they are by Alpinestars. Also, I saw your video about one bike or two. Do you have a video about what led you to the AJPR7 bike over similar bikes? I would like to hear your process about that as well.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Haven't got a video about the process sorry, however the key drivers for me were weight, reliability and customer service. In 2019 when I was finalising my decision, I was looking at the Husq 701 (which is the same as the KTM 690). At the time both models had major issues with rocker shafts breaking and side stand sensors. The forum posts on customer support were also not good, so that ruled them out for me. I understand that the newer 701 & 690s have had these issues resolved, though they need a lot more cash to match the PR7 standard fitments such as wind screen etc. The AJP may not have access to the vast range of accessories that the 690/701 do, but there are enough and options are growing all the time. The standard PR7 has less power than the KTM/Husq but it is more than enough. The 'power up' option lifts power output to roughly equal to the other two, so it's available if you feel you need it. Glad you are enjoying the videos, I do try to make them informative, it's the reason I started making them in the first place. I spent many hours looking for issues/accessories, so I wanted to give easy access to the information I had discovered. I can't find the glove model at the moment, they were not my first choice, but have been ok so far. Hope this helps ;-)
@p-dub7422 Жыл бұрын
@@markp87PR7 Thanks! It was helpful. I will keep watching your videos. And thanks for responding to my questions.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
@@p-dub7422 You are welcome, gloves are Alpinestars Vega v2 Drystar by the way.
@p-dub7422 Жыл бұрын
I just happened to stumble on to this video and it was excellent! And unique in that it tackled the question of one vs two bikes. I am in the U.S. and I have never heard of that bike before. I assume it is not offered here. What would be the equivalent kind of bike available in the U.S. to take a look at? Can you update us on this bike and cost etc? And how are the highway miles, comfort and speed? What has been the greatest distance you have traveled on this bike in a day? How many miles have you put on this bike? Thanks
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Hi, the PR7 is available in the USA though initially it was for competition only I believe, though this may have changed? the bike is comfortable and good on the road able to cruise at 70mph. I have ridden 8-9hr days both on and off road without major discomfort. About 350miles in one day and around 1000miles over 3days is max so far having covered 6000miles to date. Links ... ajpmotos.com/pages/store-locator www.motoajpusa.com/ These guys should be able to help you with regard to price etc. Other bikes in the same range would be the KTM690 or Husqvana 701, also a new Aprilia 660 is fresh to market. Hope this helps you out. Thanks for the communication :-)
@p-dub7422 Жыл бұрын
@@markp87PR7 Thanks! So, I guess you answered the two bike dilemma and found one bike that is an all arounder. The video was very good! Got me thinking about a bike that I would not have considered and I can see how it addresses all of issues. Thanks
@mikedugdale281 Жыл бұрын
I really am liking your piece on tyre pressure. Riding in wet with soft ground I've took advice from the old model t ford drivers that put a bit extra air in their skinny tyres so that they cut through the soft surface and could get a bite on the firmer hard pack underneath. Anyway I did try as they suggested and got good handling results. Thanks for the great video 👍
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I can see that working on the right terrain. Last time out, in the Auvergne, we hit a few muddy rock strewn tracks, so you needed to drop the pressure to improve travel and traction through and around the rocks, else you were bounced and slid all over. With the TrailMax on the PR7, getting the edge to bite on the front was my biggest issue and I happier with the performance now. Thanks for taking the time to comment and happy trails. :-)
@overlandmotorcycletours4785 Жыл бұрын
Cheers Mark, I'm off to try a PR7 this weekend
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! Hope you find it to your liking. If it fits you well, it would certainly suit your style of riding :-)
@garyevans5335 Жыл бұрын
Mark, I understand from one of your vids that you were looking at upgrading the headlights on the PR7. The existing lights are rubbish to be fair. I went for the LEDs from Adventure Men Cave. I'm very pleased with the them. Not too expensive, but much better light, half the weight and 1/4 of the volume of the originals.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for that Gary. I am aware of the AMC lights and it is always good to get confirmation of products from actual users. I agree, the standard lights are limited and need replacing or supplementing if you do lots of night riding. I've not made a decision yet but hoping to upgrade at some stage this year, so thanks again for the info ;-)
@bhaz1987 Жыл бұрын
What rrar pannier racks or saddle stays are you using? Do you have a link? Thanks for the vid
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Hi! The rack is made by Pamir Travel Systems in Portugal. 2 Versions, mine is with the cut out on the exhaust side. pamir.pt/loja/loja-acessorios-equipamento/apoios-malas-laterais/?v=11aedd0e4327. There are a few other top racks available and at least one other complete rack system out there. If you check out my first video '2 Bikes or 1 AJP PR7' there is a short video showing all around the rack. It is well made, though order times can be extended. You can reach Hugo on this email address, he is very helpful. Hugo Guimarães [[email protected]]. Hope it helps and thanks for dropping by :-)
@csmanul Жыл бұрын
very well written, excellent review.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to comment, feedback is good to hear ..... usually! ;-)
@garyevans5335 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. Very detailed review of the tyres, Thanks. I'm using Mitas EO7s at the moment, and seem OK so far. Very pleased with the PR7 in general though. No long trips on it yet, but should get some time in next year. That looked a nice run you did in Spain!. We did the Portugal ACT this year, that would be great on the PR7. I might have to do it again😁
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Gary, there are a lot of closed minds out there with regard to tyres. The rear has incredible grip for what looks like a road tyre. Never once on any surface have I felt a lack of grip. The Spanish trip proved their worth, lots off road and lots on road. Mr Newman rides harder than me, but he has worn out a set of Desert Race 1500kms and a set of TKC 80s 5000kms during this time. He rode my bike out of trouble twice on the Auvergne trip and admitted that the tyre definitely has traction. I feel, if Dunlop work on the front tyre edge grip, they could have developed the perfect 50/50.... especially if I can improve my riding ability too :-) Glad you're enjoying the PR7 as much as I am, stay safe.
@rogerwales1244 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information Well put together and a good followup on your last video
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again... I tried to make it painless!!! ;-) Zzzzz
@garyevans5335 Жыл бұрын
I am very happy with my PR7👍👍 But yes, a few things to sort. Lights are rubbish, so upgraded to LEDs. Much better. The fuel guage is next to useless. Also fitted crash bars like yours, and big heavy duty radiator guards. I use the bike for rallies and for racing on gravel roads. I am a short arse, but have learnt to manage that. The bike always brings out the hooligan in me, which is great for an old guy like me🤣🤣 Good info on the luggage, thanks.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Yes! All things considered, it is not a bad bike. It only needs a few upgrades as apposed to others that must be updated to function properly. When you look at the structure around the radiators, the crash bars are a must I feel. I only started making the videos to pull together all my research and make the information available to others. A couple of years ago, it was hard to find all the options. Glad you're enjoying yours and I appreciate the comment, thanks! :-)
@rogerwales1244 Жыл бұрын
Great work and information Thanks for sharing
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. The method looks fairly solid, it will be interesting to see what others find with their own bikes/tires calculations. I am certain that tyre manufacturers have these design models. It would be great if we could access and extract pressure settings straight off their websites for our own setups. Looking at the variance in tyre and bike manufacturers spec's, they seem fairly rigid and not that informative. Let's hope we can stimulate some change. ;-)
@davechavis4275 Жыл бұрын
so well done , yes you should post the spreadsheet with an explanation of your findings. this is not rocket science but extremely important for tire wear and flat protection for us with less time on our hands. thanks from pismo.
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've had several goes at constructing the follow up video. Not quite found the right angle of interest yet, plus the sheet has been developing... but I'll get there :-)
@zoranbilbiloski652 Жыл бұрын
How much does the PR7 cost?
@markp87PR7 Жыл бұрын
genay-racing.fr/boutique/index.php?id_product=44&id_product_attribute=0&rewrite=ajp-motos-pr7-moto-650-adventure-rallye-raid-enduro&controller=product. There is a price for the standard model and an additional option for the power up version which increases the bhp, this adds around 14-1500 euros? to the base price. I bought the standard version which is quieter and I have never found it lacking power in any situation.
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Much Enjoyment 👍😎
Glad it was of some interest. I try to share experiences to inform others. I made this series to try to display some of the changes the TET can offer, as from what I see on Facebook, many are not prepared for their first trip.
Thanks for this video, interesting, I have a PR7 from 2021, I changed the clutch receiver with an Oberon as a preventive measure at 16200 km, there were no problems with the original one. At 28100 km, the original master cylinder failed, and I had to change the piston and seals (aliexpress kit), as the clutch had been acting up for a while. Since then, I've always a clutch master cylinder repair kit with me, just in case.
You have had much better luck than me, my master failed at 8500kms and the Oberon did about 4k and original slave did about 8k in total... perhaps it's me😁
@@markp87PR7 Surprising for the Oberon, just for information, when I received the Oberon the clip that holds the ball / piston was not correctly positioned, perhaps if I had mounted it without looking it would have failed quickly. Today the Oberon has 15300 km
@@chelmialouest_motorcycle3036 I really hope this new system will perform as well as yours. The time off the road and cash spent, let alone the couple of 40kms rides home clutch less, are wearing a bit thin 😁
@@markp87PR7 🤞
Hello @markp87PR7, do you have the Brembo reference of the master cylinder ? thank's
No I don't unfortunately. Nothing visible on the cylinder. www.gasafonsvng.com/es/accesoris/ in Spain are showing them for sale at 121.93 euros & Oberon for 209.95 + shipping. The pipe is much thicker than the original and fitment on the master is different so AJP order for 2024 model or get one made I suppose. Sorry I can't be more help.
@@markp87PR7 Thank's for the link and the information,
Wow, not a cheap option, but good to know, Thank you!
Definitely not cheap! But it does get me a DOT 4 system which will hopefully improve reliability 🤞🤞🤞😏
Hi, thank you for this short video. I have an AJP PR 7 from 2023 my clutch transmitter is identical to the one on the right however the receiver is different, I ordered a replacement OBERON CLU 1500 in case of breakdown, but I leave the original one as long that it works. What is the model year of your motorcycle and how many kilometers have you traveled it? THANKS
Mine is a 2021 model and I've covered just over 12k so far. I have had the original master seal fail and both the standard and Oberon slaves fail. I'm hoping this new setup will be more reliable🤞
@@markp87PR7 mine has 8500km ordered in May 2023 received at the end of September 2023. I have not had any problems with the clutch transmitter or receiver for the moment. you have not made use of the guarantee or the formal defect in the case of a spare part which is original defective given the low mileage this is not normal. The fact that the problem is known should not make it acceptable
@@atprodT700 I agree, the first issue I had was a split master cylinder rubber at around 8500kms. Clutch had not been great from purchase and the split looked suspiciously like a screwdriver blade damage on installation, a fact I passed back to AJP France. The Oberon failure was my biggest surprise. Sadly, both events happened outside of the time warranty of the manufacturer. But yes, you would hope that the low Kms would warrant some manufacturer consideration. I'm praying the investment was worth it, we shall see 🤞
@@markp87PR7 I have the 2022 model. 15k and at this stage no issue with system. Works fine.
@@Chris_Z. Just the luck of the draw I guess... I'm not renowned for my good fortune, that's for certain 😏
I put Oberon slave cylinder and Magura master cylinder. Works perfect and the price is way lower. Magura cost like 330€.
As part of my upgrade I wanted to get away from specialist fluids. Also, the version of the Magura I looked at didn't have the combined mirror mount. So taking all that into account I preferred the Dot4 option of the Brembo 🤞😎
Merci pour cette vidéo instructive . J'avais ce même dilem il y a 2 ans et la pr7 faisait partie des motos que j'avais selectionné . j'ai choisi une autre monture pour une question de prix , mais je regarde toujours cette moto qui est pour moi aussi , un excellent choix .✌
merci beaucoup pour le commentaire, je suis heureux qu'il ait été intéressant. Je suis très satisfait de ma décision et de la propriété du PR7. Parfois, les gens laissent la puissance ou les noms de marque guider leur choix. Budget, je peux comprendre. Avec de nombreuses recherches, un budget limité m'a guidé vers d'excellents produits alternatifs, pourquoi payer plus pour profiter du trajet si vous n'en avez pas besoin. Merci encore d'avoir pris le temps de commenter, toujours apprécié 👍
All that time and research and you ended up with arguably the worst tyre for adv riding.
It sounds like you have had a very different experience with the tyre to myself. What bike did you use them on and at what pressures? Tyre choice is defined by use, so we all have different parameters for our purchases. For me, cost effectiveness and road mileage were big pieces of the puzzle. If you trailer your bike to your off road riding area, then road use has no bearing on tyre choice. I however, usually prefer to ride not trailer my PR7 so those road miles count. I see comments about tyres that perform great off road and rubbish on road. They usually last 2-3k if you're lucky. I am currently at 12000kms on these tyres and they have taken me anywhere I want to go. My riding buddy prefers a more agressive tyre for his aggressive riding style. With roughly the same distance covered, he is already on his 3rd set of tyres. Most people write this tyre off due to the way it looks, that is their loss. The traction and clearance of the rear tyre in particular is phenominal and with the correct pressure settings, this tyre does everything I need it to. I expect to still be using these when my buddy is on his 5th set of tyres. 'Cash in the Bank'... thanks for your comment
@@markp87PR7 I had them on a 1290, reasonable tyre on dry roads, absolutely dangerous in the wet. I’ll take grip over longevity anyday. I tried various pressures ended up throwing them in the bin at 5000ks
I tried them on a 1290, they were fair at best, dangerous in the wet at worst, in the wet my tc was going nonstop. Off road they were fine on gravel etc but crap in the mud although that was to be expected. I’ll take grip over longevity all day every day. They may be ok on lower powered bike that don’t overpower the lack of wet road grip.
I had similar issues in the early days until I went out on a limb with trying what I saw as extreme changes to tyre pressures. Just for interest sake, I entered a bike weight of 230kg and a front/rear split of 40/60 (couldn't find a weight split reference). ( Too many guestimates here) for the 1290, My tyre calculator suggested 26lbs Front and 23.5 rear for speeds upto 110kph. ..17 front and 14.5lbs rear for mud.... and 34.5 front and 32lds rear for up to 150kph. TET use would be 20 front and 17lbs rear. Did you get this low on pressures in your explorations? As I said I am not a tyre engineer and we all have to seek our own pressures. The tyres were designed more for the 1290 than the PR7, they are a much wider spec than the AJP's. Thanks again for taking the time to comment, sorry the tyre didn't work out for you.
MarkP87, this is the most useful video anybody has produced for the PR7 with regard to long distance luggage solutions. Thank you very much for posting it and for providing the links for the kit. Now I know there is a rack system available it makes this great bike a serious choice for long distance international adventure for myself, all the best from Devon and many thanks again for your helpful advice.
Thank you James for your very kind words. I believe there is more than one option now, certainly for rear carriers like 3D Moto etc. Most PR7 riders are TET orientated and strap on bags are usually favoured. I developed the bike to be a great all rounder (watch 3 bikes, if you haven't already) and the pannier frames are a useful part of the concept. Back in 2019 it was hard to find PR7 information so I hoped that sharing my months of research would help make it easier. Suppliers and products change and indeed some of the items I linked to are no longer available. The good news is that more and more small manufactures are making great products now for the bike, so things are looking good for this great motorcycle. I'm a west country lad myself but do enjoy living here in central France. Thanks again for your comment and regards from Haute Vienne.
An impressive well thought out presentation Mark, like your style. I'm coming up to making the same decision. My AT gets a bit intimidating at times for off road, especially here in New Zealands South Island. I added a CRF Rally 300 but ideally 40 to 50hp would be more realistic and under 150kg wet. I rode a mates well set up DR 400 enought to realise had I known, I would not have bought the 300. I spent big on suspension and and now am sitting in inbetween waiting to see what my options are. For me the perfect bike would be the ktm 500 or Husky 501 but because of plastic subframes and low service intervals and a starting price around $17000+nzd before I even start, the Kove looks bloody attractive. If they get compliance adr in Australia I'll go over and tour Aus and bring it back. Meantime its down to the Sth Island with my Honda 300 for a month in February.
Thank you for the comment! My riding buddy has 2 Africa Twins, the original and a new model. He now rides the PR7 and loves it. For the money I feel it's hard to beat. The standard output is fine for me and has taken me anywhere I need to go. Servicing schedules was the main issue for me when looking at the enduro options around in 2019. The Kove does indeed look interesting, though I do wonder about the long distance road aspect, which is important to my all round utilisation. NZ is my dream destination and I hope to holiday there in the next few years. I know a couple of ex UK guys who live there and it would be good to see them again. Meanwhile, enjoy your ride on South Island... wish I was there! ;-)
Thanks for this mate, it probably took you 10's or 100's of hours of work to get to this point, and you've then imparted that knowledge to me in a matter of minutes. Really is appreciated, thanks again.
Thank you for the comment, that is also much appreciated. I don't know if you've watched the 'Tyre Pressures 2' video, but It gives a breakdown of the maths to do the calculations. I have fine tuned the pressures for my PR7 with the TrailMax Mission Tyre and I will put up a post in the community tab with my latest results. The '8500kms on the TrailMax Mission' video also has some insight if it's of any interest. Currently on around 12000kms with this set and plenty to go. Regards MarkP
Good video 😊
Thank you! Just trying to show the full range of options for the PR7 ;-)
I take my tea with milk and 1 sugar..thanks Mark
I have 200 miles on my 2023 US model PR7. It is winter now. Bad time to buy a new bike. The suspension it fantastic. If it is reliable, it will be the perfect motorcycle (for me)
I certainly have no regrets for purchasing my '21 PR7. Reliability is good, just a few things to watch out for.... Keep a check on expansion tank top, make sure it stays tight. Generally check bolts during these early days, particularly the engine guard. I would recommend a couple of well placed cable ties to secure it incase the single bolt works loose. I actually lost mine and unbelievably have no idea when it came of. My riding buddy had the manifold bolts work loose early on, so worth a check. Most importantly, make sure you waterproof all electrical connectors, especially the groups either side of the frame behind the radiators. They are in direct line of the front wheel water through off. Be precise with the rear brake adjustment, there is a fine line between a full pedal and brake binding with the subsequent over heating of pads and disc. If you maintain the bike I am sure it will meet or exceed your expectations. Thanks for the comment, hope you enjoy your new bike ;-)
Mine is the US model. I don't have any emissions bs to mess with, but I do have to jump through a few hoops to make it road legal. The US version is off-road only due to some silly importation rules. That means it is exempt from emissions compliance. The US version comes standard with the Doma exhaust and high performance tune, but is missing the turn indicators and mirrors. In that configuration the engine has loads of power. The low and mid range is very strong. I haven't pushed it hard at high rpm, I'm still breaking it in. I love the suspension and handling off-road. As with my other bikes, I will change the oil much more frequently than the recommended intervals. With the high performance tune and lots of dirt riding, clean oil and filters are important. My main concern with reliability is mostly because of the race tune. I am impressed with the build quality of the chassis, and most of the components seem to be high spec stuff. Many riders of other bikes would pay several hundred dollars for an aftermarket saddle as good as the one that came stock on the PR7. I am pleased with my purchase. I definitely will grease all the electrical connectors, thank you for the suggestion. I am also looking at various options for luggage. None of my kit from my KLR will fit the PR7. Im looking at small to medium capacity rackless setups that are not ridiculously expensive. I think I have my rear bags picked out picked out, but I am looking for a small to medium tank bag that fits the PR7 well.
Good to hear you are pleased with the bike. I change the oil every 2500kms which works well, I don't ride mine too hard though. I have spent several 8hr plus days in the saddle and it is pretty good. While riding with a group of riders last year.. all sporting custom or sheep skin saddle mods, they all started feeling the pain around the same time as I did, so I think it is easily good enough. I can't make any suggestions for a tank bag sorry, I went down the handlebar bag route which was sufficient for my needs. Good luck on your search and enjoy the ride :-)
Hello, thanks for the video on the PR7. Can you elaborate on how you water proofed the electric connectors that are positioned behind the radiators? @@markp87PR7
Bonjour, quelle sont les performances moteur? (Puissance)? Savez-vous si la moto est homologuable avec le kit de puissance supplémentaire?
Bonjour, la puissance standard est d'environ 48 ch. Le kit de mise sous tension ajoute environ 12 ch et est destiné à une utilisation en compétition. L'échappement n'a pas de capteur dans le collecteur et n'est donc pas strictement légal sur route, bien que le kit puisse être installé après-vente. Vous trouverez de nombreux coureurs l'utilisant inscrits sur la route ;-)
@@markp87PR7 Bonsoir. Merci beaucoup de la réponse détaillée. Je suis intéressé à acheter le modèle 2023. Mais les informations ne sont pas faciles à trouver. N'est ce pas possible d'ajouter la puissance via le ECU sans changer le pot?
Je n'ai aucune information sur le modèle '23 désolé. Sur le modèle '21, l'ECU était configuré pour fonctionner sans capteur, le régime de ralenti était également plus élevé. J'imagine que la conformité à la norme Euro 5 rend les choses plus difficiles. Je dirais que mon modèle standard n'a jamais ressenti de manque de puissance même à pleine charge et je suis content de mon choix. Évidemment, la puissance supplémentaire peut offrir plus de « plaisir » au pilote expérimenté. Contactez Mark Morales chez AJP France, il pourra vous donner des conseils sur les derniers détails du modèle. J'espère que cela aide
@@markp87PR7 merci beaucoup des informations précieuses :)
What is it that you have under your fairing/headlight and above the front fender? I presume its a wind buffeting feature, but does it have any major effect?
It is actually my attempt at a mud deflector. I had too much dirty water enter around the light pod in the early days, cleaning was a pain. So I made the plate to limit the water ingress. It has worked and I forget it's there now 😉
I would not consider mounting a camera on top of the helmet, too dangerous in event of a self inflicted crash or being taken out by some other vehicle. This was the reason that F1's Michael Schumacher is in the state he is today (the camera/mount going thro' his helmet on impact into his brain) As for quality with the 360, this video is one of the worst I've seen, nothing was crisp or sharp about it, might have been just wrong settings for the application. Best positioning I find is to have the 360 on an extended 'stick' as far back facing forwards or as far forward facing back, with Gopro on a chin mount, yes tall screens can get in the way but this also adds to the riders perspective giving the viewer more of a riding experience especially when standing up oor sitting down.
Each to their own. Thanks for the comment!
Psycho 😂👍🏻
Just an inquisitive mind 🙄😁
Enjoyed watching, sometimes as a more confident and seasoned rider it’s easy to forget how what seems a reasonably straightforward trail can be a real challenge for a newcomer. Thanks for sharing 🤘🏻
Thank you for that, I am expecting a hammering from the TET elitists. At 63 the more physical routes can take their toll. But the more I do, the more my confidence grows. Richard looks for a challenge so I do what I can and bypass the sections beyond my current skill level. Without novice riders the TET won't grow so nurture is important I feel. Thanks again for your understanding! 👍😎
Live in Valencia, just took delivery of a 2023 PR7, as soon as I get her to where I can touch the ground (Novatech Suspension) I will start exploring the TET!
Great news! Pleased to hear it. I look forward to your TET stories ;-) I loved riding in Spain, hope to get back soon.
Great video, my 23 PR7 arrives in 3 days! Quick question, can you give a link to the rally screen extension you have mounted? Does it do a better job at motorway speeds?
amzn.eu/d/9Rd04HN this is the screen Gary. It works well once you set the angle to suit. I can feel the wind sheer above the helmet when I stick a hand up.
Hi , you need to stand up. Its easier, safer and better for your back ;-)
Yep! Usually do. For this section there was limited headroom in most places. In the beginning we were ducking under branches while sat down. Also, 5hrs or so into a very technical day, so conserving energy was also a factor. Richard has been riding for over 35yrs and employs the most relevant technique to any situation. He was riding my PR7, which has a very different set up to his own so familiarity was another issue. For sure the video does not convey the reality of this climb. ;-)
@@markp87PR7 i was just joking. ;-) yeah, it's always like that with the angle. Congrats for the pr7. Thinking about giving away my wr450 and buying a pr7 myself.. Are you satisfied? What brand are the rims? Can't find a information...
@@chillon2922X Not sure what make the standard rims are sorry, not something I have investigated. The PR7 itself is great, it's not an enduro, but for an adventure bike it comes close. My riding buddy is far more adventurous with his and he has found nothing it can't get through so far. Most of the niggles you might see on the forums are for the older models so the year is important when purchasing. Most of the problems now have solutions so nothing that can't be fixed. Hope it helps.
A nice little technical ride out!👍
Yes it was! :-)
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I bought a new 2022 model in Nov last year. I rode it in Australia a few months ago. I covered 9500kms, with many serious off road tracks. I carried a Giant Loop , a dry bag with tent, sleeping bag, cooking pots, stove etc , weighing about 20 kilos, and a 6 l fuel bladder, so quite a heavy load all up. The suspension worked perfectly over all sorts of terrain, including many technical difficult tracks, gravel roads and sealed roads. No high speed work. The fuel economy is not great and the 17 litre tank doesn't cover the distances required in Australia. I am getting to grips with the Samsung tablet, and I like it. I am just now setting one up on my KTM 890 Adventure.
Fuel economy is much lower off road in low gear work. I have got the claimed mileage on long road trips. I am considering changing the rear sprocket to a 38 tooth, as I feel I have plenty of scope to do that with the 1st gear ratio and it will improve long road section speeds and drop the engine revs. Hopefully it will improve mpg a little too. The PR7 does handle weight well, even with my dropped suspension. Having traveled around Australia as a child, I can understand the need for more miles in the tank :-) I only carry 1.5 ltrs as a local emergency supply, France can have a few gaps between stations too. Also tuck in 3ltrs more if covering distance. Thanks for the info, always good to hear the experience of others ;-)
As always Mark a well presented with great information..keep it up 👆 😂😂😂
Cool. Don’t think I’ll ever mount on top or side of my helmet. Having a PR7, I understand some of the limitations though. Haven’t ridden with a chin mount on this bike yet, maybe I’ll try it later, but sitting will certainly be limited view. I get that on top gives you full access to 360, but I think most riders mount for 180-270 degrees of view, and just move the camera from time to time. (Or can afford 2 camera 😂). Life is full of compromises.
Hi Steve, the second part of the video, through the village, was the chin guard mount. I too didn't want a helmet mounted camera, but apart from remembering to duck, I don't even know its there. I use 3 cages mounted ready to swap the camera around the 3 positions. (can't afford 2 cameras :-) I love the ability with 360 to retrospectively go back and look at the ride from other angles, to see what I missed first time around. .... there is always compromise! ;-)
@@markp87PR7 guess I wasn’t paying enough attention 😂. I’ll go back and rewatch.
Hi Mark. What height are you?
Hi Simon, I'm an average 5'9" but only have a 29" inside leg which is why I felt I had to fit the drop link. My riding buddy has a 32" inside leg and manages ok with his PR7, though he is a more experienced rider than me.
@@markp87PR7 thanks!
@@touchingthecloth You're welcome, hope it helps
What size lomo crash bar bags are they?
At this time they were the Lomo medium panniers. I have recently swapped out to the actual crash bar bags but still use one medium on the rear. The specs are contained in my video kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4Stu7xmm7KslNI.html ... Lomo bags on the PR7, if you want to check it out :-) They are all good strong bags.
Such an interesting video but also calm. That's hard to find lately. Very pleasant to watch :)
Thanks Jef, I always try to give information over sensationalism... may be I'm just an old geezer ;-)
Great well I’ve bought a large set, on my tiger 800 I think I’ll get the crash bar bags after dropping the tiger a few times because prob break some plastic bits at this rate and the bags will protect to some extent
My thinking exactly John, the bags are as tough as nails... but dirt cheap to replace should you ever need too. Good luck with the bags and try to keep it upright, they last longer ;-)
The Trailmax Misson tire pressure detail is great. I'll keep that information in mind. For the street I'm keeping the front and rear over 33 psi which seems like a lot. I have a TPMS system on my bike and that shows the relationship between the tire temperature rise and the resulting pressure changes. I've read that the pressure is near optimum if a 10% pressure change is seen between starting cold and top temperature after 30 minutes of riding.
Thank you for the comment. The Versys is comparable in weight to my PR7 and on my experience 33psi was a little to hard. Grip and comfort improved with some pressure reduction. If you haven't seen them yet, you might be interested in my exploration of what pressures to use. kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY6o286cpsbRg7A.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJ1t05luZ5i9qag.html In the second video(if you can stay awake ;-) around 5:36 I have a list of my preferred pressures. Tyre wear seems to be good and speed appears to be the guiding factor for me. Thanks again and ride safe!
Congratulations on racking up 10K+ kilometers and the 25K views Mark! 👏👏👏 Always a learning experience and worthy info-taiment watching tour videos... #RideOn
Thank you Jackson, it's all about the information. I hope to do better with future uploads once I've mastered the new camera and software ;-)
I so enjoyed watching this. Thanks for that. Safe Travels!
Thank you! I hope to make the future videos a bit more interesting. Playing around with the Insta360 One RS camera at the moment, its capability is astounding. There is a 4k link in the description of 'Insta360 One RS Part 4', if you would like to see a high resolution example test of what it can do. Ride carefully and thanks again :-)
Thanks for the video! All I wouls say is that your long distance load is looking a tad too heavy. I ride a T7 and even for long trips I have scaled my luggage right down. Light is right ;)
Yeah, the long distance set up is mainly for social trips like returning to see family in the UK for a couple of weeks. I drop the bags for trail riding when I'm there. I have used it for a TET run in Spain and it worked fine. I have developed a smaller pack for TET specific runs (see my TET pack video) and I have been able to purchase a lighter tent etc since making the video. Basic setup adds 20kg, TET adds another 7.5kg and the new long distance setup adds a further 5kg. It puts the bike weight at around 197kg fully loaded, which I believe is a shade lighter than the T7 ;-). There is a video in the pipeline to outline the latest setups due shortly, this will show the changes I've made based on the experience of the last 18 months. Having picked the bike up 5 times during a 3 day trip to the Auvergne, especially when they are upside down! I understand the impact of weight. As they say 'if you don't want to pick it up, don't fall off' :-) I am at a point where improving my riding skills will do more for me than lightening the load I think. Glad you enjoyed the video, I'm just trying to share information. Regards Mark P
@@markp87PR7 Thanks, Mark. Yup, your bike is definitely lighter right from the start, which makes a huge difference. I will keep watching your videos! :)
What a detailed video! What kind of gloves are those that you show at the end? I see that they are by Alpinestars. Also, I saw your video about one bike or two. Do you have a video about what led you to the AJPR7 bike over similar bikes? I would like to hear your process about that as well.
Haven't got a video about the process sorry, however the key drivers for me were weight, reliability and customer service. In 2019 when I was finalising my decision, I was looking at the Husq 701 (which is the same as the KTM 690). At the time both models had major issues with rocker shafts breaking and side stand sensors. The forum posts on customer support were also not good, so that ruled them out for me. I understand that the newer 701 & 690s have had these issues resolved, though they need a lot more cash to match the PR7 standard fitments such as wind screen etc. The AJP may not have access to the vast range of accessories that the 690/701 do, but there are enough and options are growing all the time. The standard PR7 has less power than the KTM/Husq but it is more than enough. The 'power up' option lifts power output to roughly equal to the other two, so it's available if you feel you need it. Glad you are enjoying the videos, I do try to make them informative, it's the reason I started making them in the first place. I spent many hours looking for issues/accessories, so I wanted to give easy access to the information I had discovered. I can't find the glove model at the moment, they were not my first choice, but have been ok so far. Hope this helps ;-)
@@markp87PR7 Thanks! It was helpful. I will keep watching your videos. And thanks for responding to my questions.
@@p-dub7422 You are welcome, gloves are Alpinestars Vega v2 Drystar by the way.
I just happened to stumble on to this video and it was excellent! And unique in that it tackled the question of one vs two bikes. I am in the U.S. and I have never heard of that bike before. I assume it is not offered here. What would be the equivalent kind of bike available in the U.S. to take a look at? Can you update us on this bike and cost etc? And how are the highway miles, comfort and speed? What has been the greatest distance you have traveled on this bike in a day? How many miles have you put on this bike? Thanks
Hi, the PR7 is available in the USA though initially it was for competition only I believe, though this may have changed? the bike is comfortable and good on the road able to cruise at 70mph. I have ridden 8-9hr days both on and off road without major discomfort. About 350miles in one day and around 1000miles over 3days is max so far having covered 6000miles to date. Links ... ajpmotos.com/pages/store-locator www.motoajpusa.com/ These guys should be able to help you with regard to price etc. Other bikes in the same range would be the KTM690 or Husqvana 701, also a new Aprilia 660 is fresh to market. Hope this helps you out. Thanks for the communication :-)
@@markp87PR7 Thanks! So, I guess you answered the two bike dilemma and found one bike that is an all arounder. The video was very good! Got me thinking about a bike that I would not have considered and I can see how it addresses all of issues. Thanks
I really am liking your piece on tyre pressure. Riding in wet with soft ground I've took advice from the old model t ford drivers that put a bit extra air in their skinny tyres so that they cut through the soft surface and could get a bite on the firmer hard pack underneath. Anyway I did try as they suggested and got good handling results. Thanks for the great video 👍
Yes, I can see that working on the right terrain. Last time out, in the Auvergne, we hit a few muddy rock strewn tracks, so you needed to drop the pressure to improve travel and traction through and around the rocks, else you were bounced and slid all over. With the TrailMax on the PR7, getting the edge to bite on the front was my biggest issue and I happier with the performance now. Thanks for taking the time to comment and happy trails. :-)
Cheers Mark, I'm off to try a PR7 this weekend
Glad to hear it! Hope you find it to your liking. If it fits you well, it would certainly suit your style of riding :-)
Mark, I understand from one of your vids that you were looking at upgrading the headlights on the PR7. The existing lights are rubbish to be fair. I went for the LEDs from Adventure Men Cave. I'm very pleased with the them. Not too expensive, but much better light, half the weight and 1/4 of the volume of the originals.
Thank you for that Gary. I am aware of the AMC lights and it is always good to get confirmation of products from actual users. I agree, the standard lights are limited and need replacing or supplementing if you do lots of night riding. I've not made a decision yet but hoping to upgrade at some stage this year, so thanks again for the info ;-)
What rrar pannier racks or saddle stays are you using? Do you have a link? Thanks for the vid
Hi! The rack is made by Pamir Travel Systems in Portugal. 2 Versions, mine is with the cut out on the exhaust side. pamir.pt/loja/loja-acessorios-equipamento/apoios-malas-laterais/?v=11aedd0e4327. There are a few other top racks available and at least one other complete rack system out there. If you check out my first video '2 Bikes or 1 AJP PR7' there is a short video showing all around the rack. It is well made, though order times can be extended. You can reach Hugo on this email address, he is very helpful. Hugo Guimarães [[email protected]]. Hope it helps and thanks for dropping by :-)
very well written, excellent review.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, feedback is good to hear ..... usually! ;-)
Hi Mark. Very detailed review of the tyres, Thanks. I'm using Mitas EO7s at the moment, and seem OK so far. Very pleased with the PR7 in general though. No long trips on it yet, but should get some time in next year. That looked a nice run you did in Spain!. We did the Portugal ACT this year, that would be great on the PR7. I might have to do it again😁
Thank you Gary, there are a lot of closed minds out there with regard to tyres. The rear has incredible grip for what looks like a road tyre. Never once on any surface have I felt a lack of grip. The Spanish trip proved their worth, lots off road and lots on road. Mr Newman rides harder than me, but he has worn out a set of Desert Race 1500kms and a set of TKC 80s 5000kms during this time. He rode my bike out of trouble twice on the Auvergne trip and admitted that the tyre definitely has traction. I feel, if Dunlop work on the front tyre edge grip, they could have developed the perfect 50/50.... especially if I can improve my riding ability too :-) Glad you're enjoying the PR7 as much as I am, stay safe.
Thanks for the information Well put together and a good followup on your last video
Thanks again... I tried to make it painless!!! ;-) Zzzzz
I am very happy with my PR7👍👍 But yes, a few things to sort. Lights are rubbish, so upgraded to LEDs. Much better. The fuel guage is next to useless. Also fitted crash bars like yours, and big heavy duty radiator guards. I use the bike for rallies and for racing on gravel roads. I am a short arse, but have learnt to manage that. The bike always brings out the hooligan in me, which is great for an old guy like me🤣🤣 Good info on the luggage, thanks.
Yes! All things considered, it is not a bad bike. It only needs a few upgrades as apposed to others that must be updated to function properly. When you look at the structure around the radiators, the crash bars are a must I feel. I only started making the videos to pull together all my research and make the information available to others. A couple of years ago, it was hard to find all the options. Glad you're enjoying yours and I appreciate the comment, thanks! :-)
Great work and information Thanks for sharing
Thank you for the comment. The method looks fairly solid, it will be interesting to see what others find with their own bikes/tires calculations. I am certain that tyre manufacturers have these design models. It would be great if we could access and extract pressure settings straight off their websites for our own setups. Looking at the variance in tyre and bike manufacturers spec's, they seem fairly rigid and not that informative. Let's hope we can stimulate some change. ;-)
so well done , yes you should post the spreadsheet with an explanation of your findings. this is not rocket science but extremely important for tire wear and flat protection for us with less time on our hands. thanks from pismo.
Thank you! I've had several goes at constructing the follow up video. Not quite found the right angle of interest yet, plus the sheet has been developing... but I'll get there :-)
How much does the PR7 cost?
genay-racing.fr/boutique/index.php?id_product=44&id_product_attribute=0&rewrite=ajp-motos-pr7-moto-650-adventure-rallye-raid-enduro&controller=product. There is a price for the standard model and an additional option for the power up version which increases the bhp, this adds around 14-1500 euros? to the base price. I bought the standard version which is quieter and I have never found it lacking power in any situation.