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Hello. Let me add something negative. I own a Fiio M17 and a Fiio M15. These players have a USB DAC function (operating mode). These players did not want to work as a DAC with any of my Android smartphones, although they work perfectly with a Windows PC. You can also try connecting your Fiio M23 in USB DAC mode to your smartphone and I think that it (Fiio M23) in USB DAC mode will not work as a USB DAC either. I would be very interested to hear your story about this experience. Thank you.
@@user-nm1ql9ff3b I only use Apple iPhones so I can’t comment on the Android phones. I can say I never had any issues using the Fiio M17 as a DAC with my IPhone and IPad. The two M23’s I had issues with pretty much everything which I’m assuming I received two 🍋
My M23 has no playback gaps and works perfectly. This guy is doing something wrong. I belong to a forum that has about 20 M23 users. No one has experienced gapped playback.
@@neilsnyder7915 You obviously never seen my other videos if you’re trying to question me doing something wrong 😆 I have had almost every Fiio DAP since they started making DAP’s years ago, and some of those X3, X5, M11, M11 Plus LTD, M11S, M17 I have owned it did thorough reviews on. Most of Fiio’s DAP’s haven’t changed much in the last 5 years in fact I would say some have gotten worse since the M17 came out. I bought two M23’s and both had the same issues and more than likely lemons 🍋 I wasn’t going to buy a third as even if it had zero issues the sound stage is extremely narrow and it’s just plain Jane when it comes to it’s sound signature and the only good thing about it was its noise floor. The bass and mid bass is mediocre and the mids are also just average, the highs are tamed down from their previous DAP’s but there isn’t much separation in the instruments and overall just wasn’t that revealing. If it was priced at the M11s range then I would say it would be an excellent entry level DAP but at $1,000 CAD it was underwhelming
1:50... there's the problem. Buy Astell & Kern = problem solved.
@@arupian666 I have tested a few Astell & Kern DAP’s but for the most part just with headphones. The SP2000 sounded really good but I never had the chance to try it out with my car audio system. I tried the SR15, 25 and the old Khan in my system and they were all mediocre. The FiiO M17 is still the best DAP I have tested in my vehicle but I will buy another flagship DAP this year. Will see what Astell and Kern bring out later this year or early next year to beat the SP3000
I have a Toyota Corolla with a regular factory stereo. I have a usb port and an aux port. I just bought the M17. What is the best way to connect this so I get hires audio?
@@pauldoyle8986 Like I said in the video just use the 3.5 output to auxiliary. I have no clue what deck you have or it’s voltage it will except just be careful on the volume on the M17 as you don’t want to fry the auxiliary input.
@@CarAudioHorizons thanks for your help!
You need a helix dsp now 😆
Hi Dave, as always it's always a pleasure to see you. Thank you for a very nice and professionally done review and I enjoyed your honest opinions as I have said before, you are very good at reviewing different products and this was no exception, you nailed many points regarding Fiio daps and more. So my friend thanks again for a very nice moment.🙏🙏💪💪
This wasn’t a review as I did the review on this product a while back. It was just saying it’s a great budget friendly option for those that want to use their phones to go digitally to their DSP’s and then more rambling about DAP’s and car audio 😆
@@CarAudioHorizons Hi Dave, yes it was like a nice review for me with suggestions brilliantly made and your statement about DAPS is absolutely correct as I have been thinking the same thing about the quality, it's a shame Fiio have lowered their standard but hopefully their next DAP might be a better one one. I appreciate all your videos my friend.😄
I will buy the M27 when it comes out if there are some upgrades from the M17
Dave! I really hope they will wake up with a new lesson in mind and upgrade the M27 to stand up to their opponents.
hello sir good morning from PHILIPPINES> i have a topping Dx1. my dsp dont have digital outputs/coaxial. is it okay use the rca at the back of topping to a 3.5mm jack in a car stereo? ""i will purchase rca to .5 wire" or i might just go with 3.5 "topping dx1" to 3.5mm ""HU" cable?
@@MrAlberto356 You asked the same question on my other video. If you have an alpine head unit it would be pointless using a topping DX1 into it as they’re probably equivalent SQ wise. If you’re going to use a DAC/AMP DAC/DAP it needs to be better than your head unit
How would your compare the SMSL PO100 compared to the Topping D10S as far as sound only.
@satyavratadas1640 The SMSL PO 100 Pro uses the latest XMOS 3rd generation USB solution XU316 where as the Topping D10S or D10B uses XMOS XU208. That being said you can’t go wrong with either. Sound wise in my vehicle it’s close but I slightly prefer the SMSL but I would buy both and keep the one that has the least amount of connection issues. I haven’t used the Topping since I did the review so it’s been quite some time.
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What about the AudioControl 810
What about it?
Could you help me I searched many times about installing DSP on factory headunit and ampliffier without using bypass tools such as (zen adaptor). My idea is to go to speaker wire out of factory amp and cut them and re wiring them directly to DSP correct me if im wrongs
If you can use a PAC Amp Pro or something similar I would use that so that you get the best sound quality possible. Cutting wires should always be the last option if there is no interface for your vehicle. Also every vehicle is different so there is no one solution.
@@CarAudioHorizons thanks got it
@@vvc_21 Idata maestro is coming out with a combination of their AR/RR probably in the next 3-6 months for certain vehicles which should be decent as it has optical input and output
Hi Dave! I hope you can give me your opinion. I was using an audison bitone.1 and then it went to valhalla. Now i need a new DSP. My options here are Helix mini dsp and alpine pxe-0850x for similar price. Any other option is way over my budget. I run a morel hybrid ovation 6 2way kit and a jl 10w6v2, so i dont really need more than 6 channels. The car is a ford fusion with sync 3. Which one would you choose between the Alpine and Helix? Thanks man!!!
I would save your money and get the Helix DSP.3S as it has coaxial digital input and optical input whereas the mini only has optical input. It’s worth saving for so then in the future you have more options if you want to add things to your system. The worst thing you can do is buy something that isn’t 100% what you want. Trust me people do this all the time especially in car audio and end up losing a lot of money.
@@CarAudioHorizons Nice!! The problem is that in my country we actually have few options for a reasonable price as people here love to hear terrible music and spend as less as possible. When we go for some nice equip, the prices are ultra high and we have few options. We dont even have the Helix DSP3s here unless we import it and I have to dig for some old stock nice dsp some seller couldn't sell yet. Another option would be a chinese sennuopu. Very cheap and some russians tested it with good results. Do you have any experience with this brand? I know its not a traditional or fancy brand, but it seems to use some nice chips and capacitors and etc some good brands also use. The software seems to be simple and straightforward with no bugs. What do you think about the DP-X812, for example? Thanks, bro!
@@jeandippolito9880 Helix still has the best DSP’s so if you’re asking me I’m always going to suggest Helix or Brax for a DSP. That being said the most important part of car audio is the installation and tune.
I guess the list doesn’t open in the U.S.
This was an old list that I since deleted as I ended up getting Apple music for free for 6 months. I will do another one pretty soon.
Ok. Cool.
is it okay to use the 3.5mm direct to the radio? my dsp dont have a coax and digital output
Direct to what radio? Factory aftermarket? Does it have a 3.5mm input?
@@CarAudioHorizons yes sir. My radio is a single din. ALPINE 173ebt ( aftermarket radio)
@@MrAlberto356 buying the Fiio K3 would be pointless in your situation. If you’re unhappy with the sound quality you have make sure the installation and tune is as good as it can get. Once that’s accomplished and you’re still not satisfied then you have to replace whatever the weak link is in your system is.
@@CarAudioHorizons thank you sir for your input. Same goes if i use a topping dx1 right? From phone to topping to headunit to dsp (my dsp dont have a digioitput or coax built in) ground zero 4-8x So my best thing to do is buy a dap to increase sq (straight to aux of headunit)?
@@MrAlberto356 Does your DSP have auxiliary input?
hello sir im sorry for this question sir.. can i use this topping dac on my dsp without coaxial. can i use the line out left and right to 3.5mm and direct it to my radio?
i use ground zero 4-8x
You can use the same setup on some Chinese-made android car head units too. Some of them take a dac from the usb port like a regular android phone or tablet would. So its head unit to DAC to DSP via the coaxial port to an amp.
Not all digital outs are created the same as I have tested them in past and for the most part you get what you pay for. The Toping D10S and SMSL PO100 Pro are the best two I have tested for car audio if you’re going optical or coaxial digital into a DSP. Also there is no point going to a DAC if you’re going coaxial or optical out unless that DAC is far superior to the one in the DSP.
Don't forget to mention there is a little switch on the right of the player to go between battery and DC mode. That needs to be on DC mode to enable this setting.
Most people just leave it on, then you don’t have to worry about it
I have this but I’m having trouble with the sound dampening of my doors. I’m gonna have to target areas when things shake a bit because this speaker have so much mid base crazy. They sound amazing but make sure you put more than usual foam or sound dampening material take your time with that if not everything in the door will shake trust me
If you could put these in kicks or somewhere other than the doors they would sound perfect. Unfortunately that is very difficult to do with most vehicles.
@@CarAudioHorizons I’m gonna do some more sound deadening in some more areas more like target and probably with the dsp I’m gonna bring the mid base down a bit. But man those speakers are the real deal. The sound quality when combined with the gb25 and gb15 is crazy
Man, great review. Does it support USB Class 1 so as to hook it to PS5 via USB?
yes it does1 and 2
@@endrizo I'd also asked the question of Aoshida Audio, the seller of SMSL, and they've just responded that it doesn't support UCA1. Instead, they recommended SMSL DO200 Pro which has UCA1 support for consoles. Although, it's only a dac and there isn't much review of it yet on KZread to get a comparative idea of how it sounds.
21:24 is there a reason why you moved on from fiio m17? I remember you said you liked the black background
I didn’t move on from it.
Thanks, appreciate this.. I was about to purchase this M23 and now you've saved me a few hundred dollars.. Thanks
Yes, I would wait and see what else comes out this year for DAP’s.
Funny how they don’t advert his spekers more. I have the gb60 gb25 and gb15 with helix p6 dsp amp and also I have a jlwaudio stealth box with two 12 in my ram . I had focal flax evo before but men the difference in sound and power and clarity between the gb and the flax is migo and day. I’m super stoke with the sound. It’s perfect
I think most of the advertising was done on DYI Mobile Audio website until Nick and Andy got into it 😆 For their price especially in Canada you can’t really beat them. I have pounded on mine for the last three years and have had zero issues. I like the Flax 6.5 but didn’t like their tweeters. You have so many options with the Ram as they have a lot of nice A pillars you can get and sub boxes.
I dont understand why Fiio cant just get the software well optimized for their hardware and they have been around long enough for them not be having these issues... I got the M7 back in 2019 i was so upset i wanted to smash the player on the wall because the UI was sluggish and unstable i have avoided them since then... I will try shangling or Ibasso they seem to be better sonys are too expensive
Yes, I was expecting things to get better but they stick to the same old same old. 720p screen, 4GB Ram, Android 10 etc..
Your videos have been a wealth of knowledge for me. I drive a big cab volvo in the states and have a ton of car audio hoarded over the years. I'm going to get it together and finally install everything. Gb10, gb25, midbass i dont have yet and i might just save some $ and get the stevens mb6. Focal fps4.120 for mids&highs, jl 500/5 for midbass and rear fill (when needed,) helix pro mk2, jl1200/1 & a 13.5w6. Should be sweet when i get it all installed. My dilemma was with the source, i dont really want to get a nice deck, would rather just use a tablet for tidal & android audo. I was about to get a fio but finding that people are having issues with offline tidal playback, so a tablet with an smsl might be the way. Again, thanks for all the info!
The main thing will be the install and tune. I would recommend an ipad or iPhone and the SMSL PO100 Pro as from what I have heard out of the $1,000-$1,500 DAP’s they just don’t sound as good as that combo from what I have heard so far. People shouldn’t have to buy the flagship DAP’s to get great sound. I’ll buy the Fiio M27 when it comes out and if it isn’t up to par I think I will be done with Fiio.
Does sq take a hit with an android?
I ordered mids&highs aluminum pods from valicar stuttgart as i didnt want to spend the $ on custom sails. Do you have any input on those?
@@89vainius I believe with Android 14 as long as the OEM’s support it, it is bit perfect now.
@@89vainius I don’t like pods look wise, I’m sure they sound fine. I think that’s more of the East thing as I see a lot of their vehicles have pods. I think they look ugly and I would never put them in my vehicle. Same thing with those other speaker pods I see different KZread channels promoting. I think they look god awful and you see the screws. I think they make your vehicle look cheap.
Thx, have you disabled the faulty cables? Have you tried with a different audio system?
Yes, I have many different cables and I had the same issue on everything. The weird thing as it would be good for days and then start doing the start stopping of music tracks, or just not play at all. I returned both of them.
Wow that's bad, there should be tons of complaints going to FiiO by now. such a big problem and we are not seeing the feedback from all the "reviewers" should tell you the state of social influencers.
It all depends on if the ones I got were from a bad batch as I only seen one reviewer that did an online review that mentioned it.
Hi Dave, great to see you as always. Based on your review and hearing the cons of these new Fiio daps, I feel like I may stick with my Fiio LTD at least for a while and then see what the future holds and it's so sad that Fiio is lowering their quality to that worst. I'm also surprised to see that Fiio has moved the coaxial output to the top of the dap just like Astell&kern, because here we prefer the outputs to the bottom for the possibility of hiding the cable while competing in EMMA. Right now some of our competitors are using a Chinese media player "AUNE" cost about 4000 dollars they are equipped in 3 cars but to be honest the sound is not that much better than Fiiio. It's like cheating the customer, some uses the Alpine HDS media player which might be a decent buy but I haven't had a chance to test the sound. I prefer Daps with direct music from Tidal and do not prefare to load music on a USB stick and then play it on the media player or with bluetooth which I dislike. I enjoyed your review, it was very well done and Dave you are right that Fiio might be on drugs, I hope they wake up soon. Thanks again my dear friend for a nice and entertaining review. Keep up your good vibes🙏🙏🙏
I will have to check out the Aune player as I have seen some of their products on Amazon. The FiiO M23 could have been a really good dsp if it had a wider stage, and did the separation better as well as the mid bass and bass, but FiiO seems to be all over the place with it’s sound signatures in the last few years. I will get the M27 when it comes out and hopefully it will be better than the M17. Will see….
Hi Dave, unfortunately Aune does not have an official website and you can also check out Goldhorn's products DSPs and media players, these are also few that are sold as they are extremely expensive.. I hope the next Fiio M27 will be better in its natural elevated state.
@@high16200 I have never heard of that brand before, I will check it out.
@@CarAudioHorizonsAs I have heard, both brands come from the same manufacturer. Goldhorn has a bunch of media players and standalone DSPs cost up to $10,000. We only have one vehicle equipped with their most expensive DSP.
@@high16200 $10,000 that’s more expensive than the Brax DSP 😆
I have a helix dsp, and have been thinking about a 2-way with a center channel. 🤔 It would be a 2.5-way lol. I wonder how that would work out. I don't care about a 2 seat tune, it's my daily.
If done right it could sound decent, but finding the right person to tune it would be the difficult part. I have a Center channel and was going to put a gb25 and GB10 in there but I haven’t heard anyone’s vehicle that has a Center channel yet. So I’ll wait until Chris or Larry do a vehicle with a Center channel and then see if I can listen to it.
Can you please link the SPDIF cable. Thanks
Loved your efforts and transparency. is a&k SR 35 better, I am having a tight budget and dont want to waste my money.. Please suggest a good Dap for using in car. And I listen to a lot of Indian Telugu Songs...
The Astell and Kern SR35 screen is pretty small but it’s a decent sounding DAP but I would wait and see what else comes out this year.
@@CarAudioHorizons Thank you for the prompt reply. Will wait and follow your amazing channel for more updates
Hlo ram I'm also from AP I also had same doubt as you meru amaina DAP thiskunnara nakuda dap kaavali car kosam as a source
I have the same issues with my M11 Pro playing Tidal offline content. The download is fine. It will play for hours through headphones, but in my car I use SPDIF and I get this content not available message. The native music app works fine for me.
Interesting, I never had the M11 pro, just the regular M11 and the only issues I had with that was with the Dual SIM and the fact you couldn’t use Apple Music because of the Samsung chip they were using at the time.
Thanks for this. I have had similar problems with my M11 pro. I use Tidal and I get this “content not available” when trying to play downloaded music. The song will play for a minute or so, then stop. I could scrub through the song to a different point and it would play. I can play the same playlist without issues for hours on a plane with headphones. It might be the SPDIF output, because the same songs and playlist sucks with spdif in my car.
You should let Fiio know, the earlier versionof WiiM has spdif output/digital out issue as well until they released a software patch to fix it.
Maybe something else is wrong.I m skeptical that Fiio would make this damage to its reputation..If it's firmware I m sure they will fix it
Fiio has had many issues with most of it’s products over the years. Some never get fixed. Their Fiio control app is a good example as half the time you can’t connect and then when you do connect it tends to disconnect. All of their devices have had issues with going from 16 bit to hi res tracks when going from one track to the next. These are just two examples of Fiio product issues.
So what’s the benefit of connecting Fiio to iPhone to the car, why not just connect Fiio to the car ?
The benefit is for people that would rather use their phone but have the benefit of the FiiO DAC’s I figured this was pretty straightforward.
FiiO has been doing this forever, right from the beginning, and clearly they haven't changed their ways. They do it deliberately knowing that Western customers keep giving them the benefit of the doubt & find the price-point too hard to resist. Do you remember the Fiio X5 3rd Gen DAP from FiiO? Look how many firmware updates, just like all FiiO's other DAPs. And on the sound front, usually an undesirable overly-warm tone (instead of neutral), bass bloat (not tight & accurate), & not enough air in the treble region, and somewhat narrow soundstage. IMO iBasso is more competent with their DAPs, better sound all-around. Like the DX 260. Chinese companies are similar to Chinese restaurants, always something not quite right with the meal. At home though for themselves they do it proper & perfect, but not for the Western scumbag customer, capiche? What, you got sucked in by their fake humility? The orientals been told the false narrative that we are Western devils, as if they are more humble & real than us. Westerners are far too trusting & naive in relation to these matters. The oriental mindset is spiteful, don't you know that? But done with subtlety to mock you & undermine you & rip you off while they pretend to be the good guy. Westerners are ignorant of the non-Christian mindset & the modes by which the heathen operate. It's all about mocking you & screwing you over while not making it obvious. And you might say, No, surely not 🥺 Bro, obviously you think everyone in this world operates with sincerity and a conscience & godliness. Westerners have got a lot to learn. Why do you think so many Africans, and Indians (from India) & Chinese get-away with billions in online scams? It's bad enough scammers in the West these days, how much worse the heathen nations who hate you as an excuse for their evil. Many people are not neighborly God-fearing persons, matey. You might ask me if i could sum it up in a nutshell... and i would ask if you have heard of a smiling assassin? "The Smiling Assassin is a so-called friend who is really an enemy whose main weapons are inconsistency and unpredictability. They use rumour to undermine colleagues and adopt a passive-aggressive, indirect, dishonest style of dealing with people and issues"😢
Hi, I am pinging you from India, I have got Mille legend 280.3 tweeter installed along with mille legend 1800.3 mid bass, I have been driving 4 mid bass speaker of door from Audison Quattro 4 channel 120 watts rms 4 ohm, and remaining 4 tweeters from audison d class DSP Amp 8.14 @65 watt rms 4 ohms. I have yet not heard Audiofrog in my country, what do you suggest is choosing gb25 over mille 700.3 mid range drive going to be better, i personally felt Hertz flagship mid range drivers to be harsh while running at 80-90 prcnt of volume for 1-2 hours continuously. I have coupled this system with mille legend 2500.3 subwoofer getting power from audiocontrol lc1.800. Do you have anyother suggestions or recommendations as well.
The best thing you could do is go to one midbass woofer and put them in kicks or in IB configuration. Having mid bass in the doors is the worse place for them, so if you have the room put them in the kicks, or underneath the seats would be the next best thing. I’m looking into this as well in my own personal vehicle. I’m not into multiple speakers like four midbass, or four mids, or tweets as I feel most vehicles that do that never sound good. I’m more of an SQ guy but I like to listen to my music at higher volumes. The Hertz ML280’s are good tweeters and I feel the best out of their three way system. If you have a three way system the most important speaker is the mid, so that’s where you should spend most of your money as long as the install is in a proper place like an A pillar and or sail panel and it’s installed correctly and tuned correctly then it will sound good. The instal and tune are the most important and then the brand. I wouldn’t buy anything until you max out what you have now. I’m not adding mids in my vehicle until I get my GB60’s out of the doors and into a proper inclosure where there is no resonance and rattles. If I can do that then I will add mids to the A pillars or my sail panels.
@@CarAudioHorizons I have one more query, maybe that could help save me some money and help understand better, I found tweeters max not go beyond 28khz and understand normal hearing range of a human is 20-20k Hz, should I switch from a high res low amp which has 10-48Khz bandwidth to 10-22Khz bandwidth amplifier , i can save some money here and utilize it in putting A pillar setup and something else in car audio. For reference I am doing this setup in Ford Ecoposport which is shorter than 4 meters.
@@gyanendrashukla5680 Is your Audison the 14 channel DSP/Amp?
Hi Dean, The DSP AMP is 8 channel amplified output at 65watt RMS and 14 channels for amplifier. It is rated as Hi Res, but do i really need it, there is another model of Audison which is 8.9 but has more power 85watt rms and is not labeled as hi res. Shall is witch back to lower version as it will save me some money.
I am yet to hear any of the audiofrog products, for front way active build shall i choose gb 60 instead of 1800.3 mille, i heard 1650.3 and found 1800.3 having more punchy bass in stock location, also in my region 1800.3 is costing me around 300 dollars lesser than gb60, would it be wise spending that money for gb60.
Thank you. I bought Fiio Q15 few months ago and it still has issues fiio promised to resolve long time ago. I am not buying anything from that company ever again.
What’s wrong with the Q15?
@@CarAudioHorizons PEQ (one of the main selling features of this device) doesn't work properly. People on headfi keep complaining, fiio keeps saying it's working on that.
salut j'attent que ce bestiau arrive en France il est dis 6 a/10 jours c'est mon premier baladeur audiophile j'espère ne pas être déçu j'espère que la mise a jour est correcte et j'espère qu'il y aura des mises a jour comme les smartphone régulièrement
Read my pinned comment. Also I will have the Review out shortly.
I think I'm going to stick to using my phone with a dongle with the power that some of these dongles are putting out you don't really need a Dap anymore
If you have a DSP then your phone with an SMSL PO100 Pro works excellent
Hey brother good review. It's definitely because Fiio has their pockets. NO ONE EVER HAS A BAD FIIO REVIEW., Thank you for being brave. I've had issues with some of the dongles, so I don't buy their products anymore. However, it's good to see someone being honest about the products they put out.
This wasn’t a review just an initial first look and it seems like it has corrected itself as yesterday I have had zero issues other than the usual lag. Will see how it goes in the next few days now that I can listen to it properly.
Update! I was testing the M23 yesterday as I brought it with me on a road trip and I never had any issues playing music on either Apple Music or the Fiio player. Never experienced this before in a DAP where it was extremely buggy for 3-4 days and now is fine. Fiio hasn’t released a new firmware update so I’m not sure what happened other than it might have not updated properly the 3 times I reset the device but the funny thing is I never tried to update it again as it just started working properly other than I still get the lag and a few other issues like the the FiiO Control App that never connects 😆 It’s back to start stop😅
I received mine two weeks ago, listened very often in long Tidal sessions (online and offline) without experiencing mentioned issue even once. What I noticed though, is that the M23 tends to get warm to the touch when listening to high quality tracks.....
Mine just all of a sudden started working properly yesterday other than the software lag everything seems to be fine.
Will the fiio m11 plus ess play music videos that i already have on a micro sd card
It can but I’m not sure why you would ever want to.
@@CarAudioHorizons ok thanks and why not I play music videos in my car on my car stereo and on my TV
@@jesseedgell8698 Because the quality is bad
@@CarAudioHorizons what do mean because the quality is bad it sounds like all the fiio players are a waste of money thay charge 6 arms and 2 legs for them and thay are are crap and then thay discontinue them. Well I won't be buying one at all then and I'll be putting the word out to all my family friends and others
@@jesseedgell8698 Audio tracks are going to be better than a video track with regards to music. It has nothing to do with the player. Unless you were talking SACD or DVD Audio then those will be good.
Hi Dave, I'm going to Buy SMSL PO100 AK.. to connect my iphone 15 to my car DSP via toslink. is there any special setting to extract apple music high res lossless 24 bit / 192 kHz to my car audio?? Thank u..
Do not buy the AK version, the PO100 Pro is the best version. I have an iPhone 13 Pro Max so I use the Apple Camera Kit like I show in the review
I had some issues with my m11. That was my first and last fiio dap😅. I'm happy with my Sony.
The original M11 was good other than you couldn’t use two micro sd cards and you couldn’t use Apple Music with it as it had the Samsung chip which was incompatible with Apple Music
I have the same issue, I cannot log in the fiio music, it keeps repeating restarting
I had that a few times and then it finally let me log into my Apple Music account.
Biggest selling point of Fiio DAPs is the desktop mode and I hear they've perfected this feature with the M23, such a shame it has firmware issues.
Yes, it work well on the M17 and now you can just use usb type c for it sometimes 😆 I’m sure they will have a firmware update soon. I’m finding their sound signatures to be all over the place since the original M11 which I thought was their best DAP for the money they have ever brought out. FiiO seems to be using a lot of the same old tech from past DAP’s as well instead of progressing which has been extremely annoying
The dude needs to update it!
@@justinmerrill3548 Dude needs to update what? Are you confused 🫤
@@justinmerrill3548 I take it you didn’t watch the video as that’s the first thing he said. Another D:-;M A/:::ss
Thanks for the review. I would love to know in your next video if you are streaming the music or if you have it downloaded, I have an M11 plus that I download the music and for the most part it’s OK but every once in a while, I have a song that gets deleted, and I was wondering if it’s the Apple Music or if it is the M11 plus. I was using Qobuz and it got so bad deleting all the music I got rid of Qobuz and started using Apple Music and it seems to be better but not perfect
This wasn’t a review, it was just to inform people to not buy it until Fiio has a proper firmware update. The review will becoming more than likely this weekend. I download all my music and for streaming music services I always listen to them offline with the exception of the WiiM Mini which I streamed the music. I actually prefer Apple Music over everything as I feel it has less issues that the other Hi Res Music companies. I liked Tidal for a while but had many issues with it deleting my playlists.
Hi Dave, been a while, so glad to see you brother. Thanks for a short update on the Fiio M23 and letting us know about the issues, I was curious about this DAP but now I know not to look for it. I still have the Fiio M 11 LTD and I'm fine with it. Thanks again and look forward to your future reviews🙏🙏
Hello my friend I hope all is well. Yes, this device needs a firmware update as it’s been a pain to do a review for.
Yes! thanks Dave, we are fine and enjoying the sunny days as much as possible. I hope Fiio fixes this or no one will buy this product. Glad to see you my friend.
Hi Dave, a pro installed v8 for me which is powering my front 2 way and single sub. But the sub output is weak. i want to add sub amp myself. How exactly can i do that ?
This depends on what amp you get as you will have to set the amp gains, and the DSP levels as well as a new tune on the sub more than likely. So if you can’t do that then best to go back to the pro.
@@CarAudioHorizons Dave, the amp would be the mono amp from Helix called M One X.
@@uos64 Well I hope that amp matches up with the specs of your subwoofer as it looks like it can do up to 1,030 at 1 ohm.
Every FiiO DAP I’ve tried, I’ve been quite unhappy with. I’ve owned two HiBy DAPs the R6 III and the R8 II and they work much better than other brands I’ve used including FiiO, Sony, and iBasso.
I personally like the original M11 and the M17, although the M17 took a while for me to warm up to its sound signature. Ever since the M11s I’m not sure what Fiio is doing. It’s unfortunate that a lot of the other companies don’t offer a proper coaxial digital out like a full size one that’s on the M17. This is what most car audio guys are going to use and Fiio is one of the few that offer it but no longer include the adapter and since they don’t include the adapter the sound quality I find has been inferior