I mentioned in your last video, would love a outer circle pdf of faq/errata and changes as you bring up so great fixes. Your sallies legion change make a huge change in our games

It's over. GW's finished. At this point just homebrew rules.

@toastle8005

2 ай бұрын

I honestly feel more competent, and I definitely have more of a healthy doubt in my own abilities and judgement when I’m writing rules. I’d rather be constantly fretting about whether I wrote a rule well, than literally never having it occur to me that I could be wrong, like the people who wrote 10th and 2.0 seem to.

@Tehstampede

2 ай бұрын

I've been thinking of writing updated codex lists for 4th edition so that new models could be used in a 4th edition game. What's stopping me from getting started is the dread of how to handle Space Marines because their model range just went bonkers when Primaris were rolled out.

@mikediamond1234

2 ай бұрын

The company failed its fans a long time ago. As someone who’s played heresy since 2012, might as well re write the game system and fix things. I think I’m gonna give it a shot and see how it turns out, post it to reddit etc. I’m in college and I bet I can write the rules better than the company lol

@stevenwong9591

2 ай бұрын

Liber Panoptica does a great job at fixing a lot of the issues with Heresy. My play group uses those rules in our games.

@Adventurerblitz

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenwong9591 Liber Mc insert mary sue units into the game and make them better than every vanilla unit combined with only changing rules for legions the writers simp for.

I’m not sure of the lore for the Red Hands, but I would: 1) give them the 2nd wound that rampages already have (yeah, the Red Hands are even more terrible compared to the Rampagers than Macca pointed out here!) and, 2) give them all artificer Armor (or the ability to upgrade them to it) and, 3. Reduce the number of special weapons the squad can take. That way Rampagers are your super killy but a bit fragile unit and the Red Hands are the less killy but more durable. That way you are making a real choice to either take the rampages for pure damage, or the Red Hands for durability.

Good video. You’ve cracked the code. Macca the Enigma Machine!

I think the problem with rampagers is destroyers. I've had at least one squad for 10+ games, and they always underperform. But if you boost destroyers too much, they'll make assault squads obsolete. That can probably be fixed by giving assault squads spite of the legion, so they perform in line with despoilers, leaving more room for destroyers to improve. I honestly think hatred on all destroyers (including the WE ones) would fix a lot of problems. It's thematic and amends the issue of them missing all the time, without going to ws5, which should be special IMO. One other way could be giving them a shrouded save (from radioactivity messing with sensors or whatever) so that they actually get into close combat. For thousand sons, I'd have them roll a psychic test to get the lesser variant of the BRB psychic powers, and change some of the basic powers so it isn't just the pinning one all over the place.

GW is dieing, 3d printing just keeps getting bigger.... when are you going to show us your 3d printed heresy army? when are you going to make the conversion video? show us your blood angels, youre are top tier hobbiest, i love your current content but it'd be sick to see some more models

putting this out there, Love my ofanim court take them all the time because thematic, But I watch them get bent over a park bench and railed with a broomstick every game by any unit that is not tactical squad level units. They can hold out for a while with Sanguinius additional WS buff. but They dont protect Sanguinius considering theres only 5 of them. well There is nothing gained from taking them over a command squad. Their shield save is garbo. and the fact that whatever they get into combat with that isnt a tactical squad will likely eclipse or match their WS. You wont see that stupid instant death enough to call it worth it. Cant even give them perdition weapons... but damn they look good.

Here is an idea for Thousand sons let them use all 5 arcanas In my group we also changed them a little. Raptora: +1 to invu but removed the 12" restriction Pyrae: psychic weapon 18" assault 4 Str 6 ap 4 breaching 5+ Pavoni a 5 + feel no pain Corvidae: if you did not move reroll 1 to hit with range weapon Athanaen : select a unit within 24" it regroup and gain ld 10 until next turn. We also made some modification to the psychic powers ( adding rending 5 + on pretty much everything)

@TheOuterCircle (still no idea how mentioning works on KZread 😂), I think what would be amazing to see is a 'mournival' style rewrite (in presentation) of the HH2.0 rules in a Outer Circle Houserules type format. I enjoyed the 1.0 ruleset and the release of 2.0 got me motivated enough to hunt down the red books I was missing. The Black books are a different story (ebay prices seem to rally around US$250-300 per book). It would be fantastic to see the 'hobby' go back from nostalgic modelling projects to functioning rules that work within the broader picture of each individual Legion / Army coming together on the table. I get that's a ton of work without payoff, and could only offer some VBs in the off chance that I'll ever make it back to Ballarat, but an 'unrelated' fundraiser might make it worth your time...

comparing to suzerain are implying that it is fine as a benchmark unit instead of suzerain being a problem 😮‍💨

@Providence315

2 ай бұрын

Why nerf when you can buff XD why make everything suck when you can make everything rock

I'd say the way to make them seperate and equal would be to give the redhands a lot of attacks, and give them twice the normal amounts of wound, with a special rule that when they swing into melees any missed attacks after your done with rerolls and all that, must then be rolled against the Red hands, this makes the force more eratic and interesting, it does lush them blending things that are weak in melee, but thats kinda what an assult squad should do, you take mobility enhancing tools to run down archers rather then charge a phalanx

Red Hand Destroyers, Weapon: Nucerian pattern hand flamer, as standard hand flamer however in close combat you roll a d3 for each hand flamer in the unit and score that many HITS at an unmodified str3, if this special rule is used at the end of the assault phase this unit takes d3 wounds with normal saves allowed.

The biggest issue with all of this for me besides the obvious lopsided rules are the terrible changes to WS. The weapons skill issue is.making wvery army two troops choices and all the legion specific stuff. Or more likely no basic troops and just legion specific elites due to a rite of war makng them troops. You so rarely see a ws4 unit duking it out with another ws4 unit. Those basic units just dont really do a job anymore save shoot a few bolters from a back obj once a a game., theyre so much less useful and fun to use.

@pyeac

Ай бұрын

With the exception of iron warriors with shrapnel bolters. That's just that one situation though

You allude to Heresy 1.0 rules a lot. Is there a way I could obtain them that isn't hunting down the elusive black books?

@guywatkins5590

2 ай бұрын

It'll all still be on battlescribe if you look for free. Useful app too if you haven't tried it. Other than that the red books on ebay maybe? They should be much cheaper these days since the edition moved on. They were released as the more rules dense codes rather than the black book style campaign books.

-1 to wound and battlehardened for salamanders against melta, flamer, plasma, and las would actually be good. Also a bug bear for me is paragon blade vs thunder hammer on preators. The blade has +1 strength and murderous strike 6, while the thammer gets x2 strength and brutal 2 with all attacks dealing instant death. You have to attack at initiative 1 with the thammer but that isn’t really a down side considering your high weapon skill and ability to instantly kill most marine targets. A preator with thammer vs a paragon preator, i’d expect the thammer preator to win most times, which given their same points cost shouldn’t happen. I’d recommend giving the paragon blade +2 strength and murderous strike 5+ to even it out when compared to the thammer. This change would also boost the champion up, but that is less of an issue given he is just ok as a character.

I would make the red hands an upgrade to rampagers

I have zero ideas for the rampagers. the candre weapons need a points rebalance as only the fallax blades are worth the cost. Are you alluding to power axes like on the red butchers? If you are, this squad will die to any half decent melee threat due to unwieldy. They already have the ability to have chain axes. I'm at a loss.

@TheOuterCircle

2 ай бұрын

Actually, I was thinking of adapting the Trident!

@dominator627

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheOuterCircle I've only played heresy 2.0 unfortunately but wasn't the Trident a "relic of the age of darkness"? Maybe jumppack triarii?

@TheOuterCircle

2 ай бұрын

Trident and net was where my head was at, sacrifice attacks to use the net to disable/disarm opponents, and using the trident as the attacking weapon, to carve out a new niche. Yes, it was a Heresy 1.0 relic, and I wouldn't have it as a thrown weapon.

@judgecohen1373

2 ай бұрын

These are wholesome discussions. Wholesome.

First!

See, now this is the kind of problem we should all be rallying against as a community - rather than raging about Femstodes or the 246th lore change that has occurred in the last 40 years.

@judgecohen1373

2 ай бұрын

I’d reckon it’s all related to a reduction/disdain of quality in general regarding writing. In the comics industry this came down to an infiltration of EDITORIAL by activists. That may also be a factor here.

@judgecohen1373

2 ай бұрын

Also, now that I think about it, this is the same issue which has plagued law enforcement in the US. The installation of activist/political District Attorneys (who are in control of prosecutorial process) who do not make arrests (the art and writing). They also will, as a side effect, influence which arrests are made and which are ignored (via discretion) due to what they deign to prosecute. They influence the whole vehicle via subtle drift. It seems that Rules for Radicals is impacting all spheres.

@volcano3493

2 ай бұрын

DEI insertion in the hobby is pure poison. You are a fool, if you don´t speak out against it.

@streetmark98

2 ай бұрын

dawg this is a video about horus heresy rules are you lost

@Coproquim

2 ай бұрын

​@@streetmark98 its almost as if the two things might be connected