As with the last video, I didn't monetise this video, that takes away from the point I'm trying to make. No, I don't delete your comments, but KZread does, and lastly you all have a right to exist, and to showcase whatever hobby you like. But when those rights impinge on others rights, you get a problem. Right now, the hobby can represent everyone. But if you want to showcase every single group with their own art-styles and such, it will quickly devolve into factionalisim, and this whole time, NONE of it has anything to do with just playing the bloody game!

@scc2236

3 ай бұрын

"Those rights imping[ing] on others rights"? Who exactly is infringing on rights here?

@DrippyWaffler

3 ай бұрын

@@scc2236 Right? Who's rights are being infringed on by girls being in a faction? Wtf lol

@chromicm6686

3 ай бұрын

​​@@DrippyWafflerCome on, we've all seen long enough now what happens when this is allowed uncontested. Any who question this in future, or any other increacing politicisation of a hoby will be deemed sexist, racist, homophobic and will be banned, blocked, socialy ostracised and potentialy have legal action taken against them. What you are asking for is the narrow end of the wedge. We arent falling for it.

@EchoMirage72

3 ай бұрын

Factionalism in a game entirely based around different factions? No fucking way!

@SpliffingBrit

3 ай бұрын

Playing the bloody game? Oh no thats not why theyre here

Those of all political leanings taste the same to my Tyranids.

@Mailed-Knight

3 ай бұрын

Ha ha ha!

@alphaomega938

3 ай бұрын

But nids don’t eat other nids among their hive, think of the ecological relationships that drive bees and ant colonies. Didn’t kryptman lament that the imperium couldn’t operate like them

@benjaminbrenner745

3 ай бұрын

lol

@Angry11B

28 күн бұрын

Lol

The australian army isn't race blind. I've got an acquaintance who was in the logistics core of the australian army; there was an indian woman who was being sped through the rankings so the officers could say they had raised a person of color to a rank who had never been there and get commends for the officers career. She had driven over live 155mm fuses with a unimog, got screamed at by a warrant officer who was going to suspend her before he dropped it because the officers made him aware his career was over if he did that. She then proceeded to drop a pallet over the side of a unimog onto the head of this acquaintance i had, exposing his skull. He would not drop the case, which would have seen her in a lot of trouble, so the officer discharged him from the military so the case would go away. He didn't put two and two together as to why they fired him until much later. She got that rank, then proceeded to do an unmentioned thing to which she did get discharged from the military, but only because the officer, a white officer, had received the accolade of getting a person of color to this rank that never had one before & discarded the protection he had provided her. The Australian military is a political machine; you'll never raise above Sargent unless your a politician & you probably know this from mates in it. Your a honest bloke macca, cheers for the follow up video.

@calebbarnhouse496

3 ай бұрын

Thats a lit of militaries, and the worst part is no one actually cares about the accolades given, all it matters for is padding out there pros sheet

@baphomette3234

3 ай бұрын

Citation needed

"I need to paint my Models a certain way in order to show people with my sexually preference play this game" HOW ABOUT JUST PLAYING THE GAME INSTEAD OF VITURE SIGNALING ON REDDIT

@corvus_armatura7595

3 ай бұрын

They'll never stop at one.

@CowMan17

3 ай бұрын

but I like the pretty colors

When I'm playing with somebody, I don't care about their sexuality or skin colour, I just want to know if they are following the rules correctly. I am getting sick and tired of these narcissists who need everything to be about them. And as for inserting modern-day politics into the hobby, nobody needs your entire political manifesto when they're trying to play a game of bloody Warhammer.

@Vroomerz

3 ай бұрын

^ THIS.

@tobiaswei2362

3 ай бұрын

Did you ever encounter an "entire political manifesto" kind of army? Did you ever see rainbow marines in real life? This is blown out of proportion so much.

@scc2236

3 ай бұрын

@@tobiaswei2362 I think you're exactly right. Not an actual problem, and it may really be the "no politics in my hobby!" people making their own political stances by objecting to these "manifesto army" strawmen.

@SteelStorm33

3 ай бұрын

not narcissists, they just desperately seek for confirmation, mostly caused by a lack of siblings and parents, in short family. dont treat these people if they were normal, and dont treat these people as if they had something unchangeable. they need therapy and we need to take care that we stop producing such people.

@buckethead5454

3 ай бұрын

​@@tobiaswei2362 How am I blowing it out of proportion? I've seen it in real life. I have seen LGBT Marines. I've seen Klu Klux Klan Marines, and both armies were played by the most insufferable political brain-obsessed weirdos I have ever had the displeasure of playing with in my entire life. Seriously, I played with an 8-year-old for about 3 months because he was more preferable to both of them.

The argument for gatekeeping the hobby has remained the same for some time. Joining the hobby is acceptable, changing the hobby is not, and 40k has been taking hits from the community making the jump between making their own fun in the fandom and making canonical changes. Lord of the Rings have changed. Star Trek has changed and Star Wars have changed to reflect modern audiences. 40k should be the last franchise to fall for this.

@DJRockford83

3 ай бұрын

The modern audiences is complete gaslighting bs, it's an excuse for communist propaganda nothing more

@the98themperoroftheholybri33

3 ай бұрын

Lord of the rings hasn't changed though, Amazon and WOTC made some terrible fanfic

@tylerghersinich576

3 ай бұрын

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33just you wait Amazon already changed the original three book covers to have the hands on the three characters in rings of power. It will not be long till the get the rights

@YakubTheFather

3 ай бұрын

@@tylerghersinich576keep in mind gw has the table top rights to lotr. Although I don’t buy the Amazon theory this would be a good argument for it

@Starburst7641

3 ай бұрын

Too late its already changing . IP owners want it to happen .

About the military life and how the conversations sound, that was my experience too when I was in. On the Warhammer side, I was in a large group for several years from numerous backgrounds, ethnicities, political leanings, sexual preferences, etc but the only politics we really got into was the politics in the 40K universe.

Only thing to add on, the dark jokes in the military isn’t from WW1 it’s been in war since it’s been founded. I remember a couple from the Napoleonic wars. During the battle of Wagram, one of the leading French Cavalry officers on hearing Napoleons orders to charge the Austrian line turned to his men and shouted “any trooper who isn’t dead by the age of 30 is a coward” before charging off and being killed in said battle. Another comes from the Peninsular. A British engineering officer who would go out in the evening day and mark the ranges for the guns to the French walls would constantly walk at the furthest ones and flash the bottom of his waistcoats at the French defenders who would always take potshots at him but miss due to the range. One day the officer was doing this ontop of another gun pit when a pair of shots managed to ricochet into the pit. One would strike the officer and another one of the gunners. The officer would check his jacket to see that the bullet had stopped due to its thickness and then turning to the men in the gun pit trying to search for the other man’s wound which wasn’t there as like the officer his thick jacket had stopped it, he just calmly said “hmm, didn’t think they could actually shoot that far”

Where actually are those LGBTIQ+ players? I live in Berlin, which is considered one of the most queer friendly cities in the world because of its many queer clubs, bars, and other institutions of public life. However, the wargaming scene doesn't reflect this at all. I go to wargaming clubs here in Berlin regularly; I go to different stores and talk to the people there; I host wargaming events; and I go to wargaming shows in Berlin and other German cities. Still, during my entire wargaming career, I have experienced only a single situation where queerness was part of the conversation and that was when a bunch of guys at the local warhammer store kept on hitting on a girl who was painting her miniatures until her girlfriend arrived and joined her. That's it. I yet haven't experienced other wargamers talking at me about their sexuality or gender identity. To the contrary, I have only experienced other wargamers sharing with me their opinions about lgbtiq+ related issues, without me asking for having those conversations. So, beyond the world of social media, how many situations have you guys experienced where people were "pushing their identities or opinions down your throats"? And to avoid missunderstandings: I also am annoyed sometimes by the dominance of this topic in public discourse but I really don't experience it in wargaming-related sitiations. RE gate keeping: I'm big fan of gate keeping and I keep my hobby perfectly clean from people playing with unpainted miniatures, wargaming tables that don't portray the setting they're supposed to portray and the odd shininess of mousepad-style gaming mats. Everything else I don't care much about when it comes to my hobby.

Great video, thank you. You hit many valid points on what is occurring in our hobby. As a hobby of escapism, I detest it when the "real world" gets forced into it. I hobby to escape my real-world issues and don't need to be lectured to about causes, politics, or whatever the flavour of the month is. Some people just want to see the galaxy burn for the sake of making others as miserable as themselves.

“The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal”

@DrippyWaffler

3 ай бұрын

You understand that was said by a fascist, right?

@batteredwarrior

3 ай бұрын

Someone doesn't understand that 1) the setting is satirical, and 2) The Imperium is a fascist dictatorship...

@esquire7603

3 ай бұрын

Waffer literally missing the point

@DrippyWaffler

3 ай бұрын

@@esquire7603 no I got the point, tolerance to LGBT stuff or whatever is treachery. Fascist rhetoric, in other words. And it's waffler*

@MoneyMagnetReceiver

3 ай бұрын

@@DrippyWaffler really? *pulls out 3rd edition rule book* Well I guess GW is a fascist organisation then. 😒 tell me you are a tourist, without telling me you are a tourist

I've been onto Warhammer since 3rd edition. Never once have i been reading lore or any of the books and thought, "I wonder what this character's romantic or swxual interests are"

It’s a “fun” coincidence that 4 LGBT+10000 flag form to make a swastika

I'm part of the lgbt, you don't want that negativity in your life/hobby.

@imnotabotiswear3276

3 ай бұрын

Same, it's the reason I vehemently oppose these changes.

@xxCrapNamexx

3 ай бұрын

@@imnotabotiswear3276 Just ban "allies" from writing positions and community management roles. All the people pushing it hard are straight and married.

@Raygun9000

3 ай бұрын

Same, although I'd consider it totally irrelevant from the hobby, positive or negative. I'd rather not be reminded of my irl abnormalities when using the hobby as escapism.

@SuperDuperHappyTime

3 ай бұрын

I say this as a converted Christian from agnostic. It's okay if you are l, g, b, or t. In the end, it's that we put our faith in Jesus. That what we do, all sins we commit against God, will be absolved. The alphabet soup, on the other hand, that's shit straight out of Lucifer's anus. There are people in that (bowel) movement who are actively trying to ruin the lives of innocents. And there are too many among the movement who believe that speaking out against those people will brand the movement irredeemable. They merely sink into the tar, ready to be feathered. Insist upon what you believe. Do not stand for movements that harbor ill will.

@imnotabotiswear3276

3 ай бұрын

@@xxCrapNamexx couldn't agree more

I agree, if you want to keep the hobby inclusive, exclude your personal beliefs with your models and gaming. That way we can all just get along without others views rammed down your throat (whatever those views are). Just stick to the warhammer lore and we're golden... because thats what we are finding is the common demoninator of enjoyment 😅

I wish more people had this point of view

Lol. Macca takes a couple of weeks off and comes back LIT. Keep the videos coming Macca.

Thank you circle it was brave of you to put your neck out there for people whomever they are

unfortunately, the people who you are talking about are EXPLICITLY political and see the hobby as another space to capture and subvert and by not having an opinion you invite these types into the hobby lest you be called r@sist / s#xist / f@shist / h*moph*be and so on. they know you wont call them out because of the fear of being labelled something you are definitely not.

Oh mecca you are too good and to honest for the people youre trying to address, its not about the game, its all just a power play to them

Gonna slightly disagree with you there on trying to bury the hatchet as one of those painted marines seem to be a variant of the map flag (white van driver meeting a lone kid hint hint) So yeeeaa...gotta burn irl politics regardless of view and especially when its wrong becuase the only politics I want to inhale, is 40k in-game politics.

I spent a decade in the army too (3RAR). Everything he said about the army is so true.

The entire purpose of a miniature wargame is for 2 or more people to engage in an imaginary battle in a universe, place, time which often is impossible to access at that point in history. Injecting ideas/politics/ideologies from the era you currently exist in by necessity for the purpose of promoting THOSE things rather than IMMERSING yourself in the specifics of game is antithetical to the base purpose of the amusement you are attempting to enjoy.

@judgecohen1373

3 ай бұрын

Soliders, Cops, Firefighters bust balls and use dark humor to help deal with what we have to deal with on a day to day basis. From the outside its alien and often “offensive” because they hate us if they aint us.

Spot on again. I already said most of what I wanted to on the first video lol

This applies to any hobby you are in, keep political and religious opinions to yourselves. If you can't you will make less friends and people will avoid you (and you will remain in your echo chamber).

Spot on Macca.

I did one video where I shared the same sentiment, and I had no idea that there were so many leftist, socialist, communist..... whatever. they are super rude right off the back. I noticed that "we" talk about concepts. we talk about politics, ideology, or whatever, but "they" attack people directly. they call names, wish for harm, and are generally rude. most of them don't even watch the videos, and leave comments based on the thumbnails, which are used to hook viewers, and not necessarily what the point or argument is. you and I agree almost 100%. they still refuse to hear the actual point, and most of them double down on the comments when we point it out.

“Be good humans” sums up everything perfectly for me 🤗 I couldn’t care less about who someone is, so long as they are just a decent human being in my time with them 🤗 Hell, story time, I actually met a full on neo-Nazi dude years ago and I never would have known until he invited me to his place for a party. His bed room was covered with “that flag” and he had a whole lotta memorabilia. Do I agree with those ideals? Hell to the fucking no!!! Would I want to be best mates with someone with those views? Probably not. But he was always a decent person to everyone around him in public and he didn’t try to push his views onto me which is all that mattered to me so I was happy to associate with him 🤗 On the opposite end though, my best mate these days is a gay, immigrant, far left dude (just the normal far left, not one of the wacko “glue your hands to the road” ones). Do I agree with all his politics? No. But again he is a decent human being and he doesn’t try to push his views onto me 🤗 As long as someone doesn’t try to ram their beliefs down my throat, and they aren’t trying to start shit in public due to their beliefs, I couldn’t care less who they are in their private time 🤗

6:15 I'm happy to talk explicitly about the background politics despite having a great deal of difference with theirs and mine. Mainly it's about how real world politics have no place the closest thing to real world politics in 40k is religious dominance of society through the theocracy of the Imperium and it's many splinters and the Administratum. The marines aren't really political the sisters are religious but not political the guard might have a politician but again not really political the thing that's most political is the inquisitors as they represent political subfractions within the imperium but more are happy to believe mono dominant beliefs. The only time I get worked up is when people say it should be more equal or representive as it's just ignoring the establishment canon.

Thanks for speaking up, peep. 🙏

Personally I wish there were more custom colour schemes in warhammer rather than just the six(ish) that GW keeps forcing down people’s throats. Come on everyone, embrace a tiny amount of creativity please!

@baphomette3234

3 ай бұрын

no creativity or deviation allowed in this community. uniformity of thought ONLY lol

@user-Mr-L-of-York

3 ай бұрын

@@baphomette3234or maybe just don’t make a dumb color scheme.

@baphomette3234

3 ай бұрын

@@user-Mr-L-of-York imagine being upset because of non-standard colors on miniatures

@user-Mr-L-of-York

3 ай бұрын

@@baphomette3234 yeah that would be sad, too bad nobody said that. Would’ve been funny.

@baphomette3234

3 ай бұрын

@@user-Mr-L-of-York lol ok nerd

It's a game. I play games to enjoy myself and escape the nonsense of the world we live in. If you are trying to use the game to push your agenda, then you have no place in the community.

The more time passes, the more Arch makes sense. Gatekeep at all costs. But you’re missing the point about the lgbt iconography people: the don’t not believe in free speech. It’s free speech for me, and “no free speech for fascists”. It’s a one way door.

There had always been female Custodes. I had never bought a GW product. Two can play this game. Or rather, not play.

Great Video

I think the one thing we need to highlight the most is that there IS a way to do warhammer / the hobby wrong

Alot of these censored comments are rather harmless no? Guess youpoop shadowbans afterall

I think you highlighted a problem with relativism, there's no foundation for morality beyond personal opinion so the opposite view is equally valid. If they want to be consistent, they could not have their skittles marines and then say that it's wrong for someone to have Nazi marines.

@batteredwarrior

3 ай бұрын

You are missing the point that the Pride movement isn't trying to oppress or eliminate entire ethnic groups. The Nazis *were*. Apples and oranges comparison, but well done... 🤦‍♂️

@user-Mr-L-of-York

3 ай бұрын

@@batteredwarriorthere are however similarities. But that’s all conjecture as it wasn’t meant as a one to one comparison.

@sidewinder3694

2 ай бұрын

😂

There is an entity/organisation who can force changes, and that is the slav riot police (both the old com-bloc(more brutal) and modern day one, regardless of country), they're the main reason why riots in said countries more often than not fail(one such happened live in my town back in 2014). That aside, thanks for the info and clarifications on some stuff behind-the-scenes of yt.

or, at least treat people with respect.

Macca feeding us good

“… and there are people who are Caucasian and people who are n….darker skin tones…”

Honestly, I'm done with this hobby, I'll keep watching this channel but that's the extent I'll interact with the hobby.

There is not current day, anachronistic, propaganda politics in 40K. It is amazing that people either don't understand the difference or pretend not to.

GW is a company that wants money. Of course they will want to encourage different lifestyles. It’s not political events, it’s money that matters. How well this strategy leads to bottom line remains to be seen. But I have to assume it will make money.

@LoftOfTheUniverse

3 ай бұрын

Is that why they're banning their oldest customers who still buy more than the rain bow mafia?

@corvus_armatura7595

3 ай бұрын

As far as I can tell from Clownfish TV, they want Warhammer to go down the path of Star Wars just like DnD. They want funko pops, clothing, etc. Basically anything a normie can buy and say they're a fan of it.

@teshtishtoshtesh3218

2 ай бұрын

Appealing to a tiny slice of activists while alienating your core audience isn't a path to prosperity.

It all started going downhill when people started referring to a certain politician as the "God-Emperor". Ironically, politics came to Warhammer, not the other way around.

@bc9402

3 ай бұрын

Nah the rot has been there for a while. Political events of the last several years only accelerated it.

@alphaomega938

3 ай бұрын

If there wasn’t anything political about the Emperor how could a certain person be referred to as being referential of the Emperor’s political views ?

@malefic5254

3 ай бұрын

No, sorry. This rot was growing on the inside before that.

@CatharsisChaser

3 ай бұрын

These types of people who completely miss the point of satire and swallow the “fascism is based” pill whole have always existed in the hobby They just got a whole lot louder when they had a moronic populist leader to collectively digitally fellate

@izaakkemp8938

3 ай бұрын

​@@malefic5254 such as? What events are you referring to?

Always amusing watching reactionaries forsake the things they love because they’ve gone woke 😂

@rutgaurxi7314

3 ай бұрын

Ok, let's talk about what you love, what would make you abandon it?

This is a reasonable take, but it doesn’t balance equivalence very well. Being white, black, brown, female, trans or gay is not the equivalent of being racist, homophobic, sexist or a terf. Both can be political and that can be tiresome, but the former is a state of existence. The latter is an unfortunate human theory. The weighting of these is far from 50/50.

@ZontarDow

3 ай бұрын

Being those things is one thing, flying political flags that are the latter which pretend to be the former is another. Pride flags are political, everyone knows it, anyone pretending they aren't is lying.

@professionalcrotchgoblin6019

3 ай бұрын

I agree with you on that, sexuality is not equivalent to viewpoints on politics. I guess it just feels kind of lazy? Like when I see pride flags painted onto minis my first thought is "That's what you want me to know about you?" It just feels really awkward to immediately know the sexuality of my opponent when I'm trying to move little plastic men across the table and roll dice.

@voultronix761

3 ай бұрын

100%. While the trans debate continues it may be a hot political topic . being gay or bi isn't political at all.

@asideofsalt.6645

3 ай бұрын

The difference between being an ethnicity or sexuality and being a racial activist or "queer" is political however.

@asideofsalt.6645

3 ай бұрын

And terfs are what slightly more sane feminists

This was a more nuanced take Macca. I do support keeping personal opinions out of the hobby. I think there are different levels of transgression though. And the laws of most western countries work the same way. Painting my marines in Mountain Dew colors because I like sweet beverages is an showcasing an opinion. Painting them in facist colors borders hatespeech. I think most people disagreeing with you simplifying the topic so much.

@DJRockford83

3 ай бұрын

No such thing as hate speech. It's a communist dog whistle nothing more. Don't buy in to their narrative

@rutgaurxi7314

3 ай бұрын

I would argue that there's no such thing as hate speech, seeing as offense can only be taken not given. I am a free speech advocate, despite living in the dystopia that is the current day UK. But how do you define "fascistic colours?" I'm asking this as a genuine question, is it WW2 German Greys or just iconography, is it the scheme used by the Italians in WW2? What about the Japanese, do they not trigger you, after all they were loosely allied with the Nazis in WW2... Not to mention the fact that there were times both the axis and allies wore camo colours so similar to it was hard to tell each other apart and led to a number friendly fire incidents. Sad to say that you're "hate speech," with colours can be picked apart in any number of ways. Edited.

@yetanotherspuart3993

3 ай бұрын

No such thing as hate speech. You are a something-fash something-ist for thinking it exists.

@yetanotherspuart3993

3 ай бұрын

What the PHUCK is a "fascist colour" loon?

@frawDgnicnaD

3 ай бұрын

Such a pussy. Hatespeech is an idiotic concept clung to by the weak and pathetic.

Very big incel energy.

Being able to ignore your race / gender / sex in your daily life is already a priveledged position. So I suggest you acknowledge this.

@philosophos4893

3 ай бұрын

Begone tourist. This is a luxury hobby that allows anyone to buy the models and paint them, keep your political agenda out of my hobby.

@LoftOfTheUniverse

3 ай бұрын

Everybody is able. Not everybody is willing. It's a matter of reality and not fantasy.

@michaelroth2166

3 ай бұрын

@@LoftOfTheUniverse Some people are confronted with the fact that they are of a different race daily because they are treated differently / lesser. Those cannot just ignore it.

@LoftOfTheUniverse

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelroth2166 yes white people are shamed for no reason in the west. Too bad there aren't actually different races.

@chadmrrsn

3 ай бұрын

This is unhinged