I have 16 years of boxing EXPERIENCE. And fought on the streets for money. Most of my life and I never underestimate any of my opponents. My hands are always up.

@jestfullgremblim8002

3 жыл бұрын

same (i did not fight on the streets. i only mean the the part where you always have your hands up)

@petrospetrakis4772

2 жыл бұрын

it's because you've never fought with a dumbf@ck like this one so you can feel how much they need to feel they are going good by making you put your hands down ...it's not because of underestimating it's because he understands the situation

"Come on Wing Chun guy, you can do it!" Hey, you know there's this KZread channel, Fight Commentary Breakdowns, where like half the videos are Wing Chun guys catastrophically NOT doing it. You should check it out sometime.

@MrLampes

4 жыл бұрын

he is wing chun nutter who believes wing chun can destory kickboxing/muay thai/boxing/TKD.What do you expect,he is biased as hell.

@ShinFahima

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrLampes You don't watch his videos much.

@antoniohobin9117

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone can beat anyone givin the right opertuneity another thing the people that usualy use wing chung or any kung fu etc. Are usauly out of shape or look fit but have bad cradio plus another thing with kung fu artests there very single minded always thinking there style is the best like a great man once said "be like water my friend"

"it wasn't real aikido" "it wasn't real systema" "it wasn't real wing chun" ALWAYS the same excuses.

@VinylUnboxings

5 жыл бұрын

No true Scotsmans for days

@s-saad7401

5 жыл бұрын

Fallacious logic

@mrstrdknmabalz1412

5 жыл бұрын

It wasnt real excuse

@mikimiyazaki

5 жыл бұрын

Those weren't real excuses!

@Papa_Sweep

5 жыл бұрын

"It wasn't real communism"

From what I have read, the lanky boxer with the sleeveless shirt went to a wing chun practice to see what it was about. He is a local champion and was called out by the wing chun practitioner. He wanted to test that fighting on the center line is better than fighting w angles and the boxer disagreed. You also didn't show the part where the boxer knocked the wing chun fighter out.

@DavorBa

5 жыл бұрын

Fighting on the center line sounds great on paper, but in practice it fails. It's just too obvious and predictable. Pure Wing Chun fighter can either go forward or backward, using only straight punches and kicks sometimes. Boxer uses angles, sidesteps, jabs, round punches, hooks, shoulder rolls, slips etc. and most importantly, he spars regularly, unlike most WC practitioners . In almost every video I saw, WC practitioner stands in place, passively waiting for incoming attack, which by itself is bad, but coupled with what I said above, makes it much worse. It is no joke or exaggeration when someone says: "WC should be practiced with something else to get the most out of it". WC trapping, elbows and forward pressure principles are great and they would compliment boxing and/or bjj greatly. The thing that holds WC down is it's one dimensional straight punches and robotic footwork. Those are the first thing that will go away if one combines WC with boxing.

@florisvanlingen

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavorBa well the centerline isnt a surface line on an oppinents body, its an axis going through a fighters head out of his bottom. In wing-chun you prefferably want to face your opponent whilst hes not facing you, this is the opposite of standing infront and going forwards and backwards. Tbh testing out centerline theory in a boxing contest is a no no since you will be out of range in which the context of centerline works for about 70% of the fight.

@DavorBa

5 жыл бұрын

@@florisvanlingen The centerline concept you described is used in William Cheungs Wing Chun (I trained it myself), and they sort of teach angling and going into attackers blind side, but, when you see them spar or when you spar with such a concept in mind, it just falls apart, because the other guys movement/reaction is always faster than your blindside flanking, and they end up doing classical kickbox but without hooks. If a wing chun practicioner cant test something out even against a boxer, a guy who only uses hands to punch, good luck doing it against an MMA fighter with even more tools at his disposal. I trained Cheungs WC for about 3 years, then I moved onto a Wing Chun (Samuel Kwoks) / Sanda hybrid, with regular sparring sessions and some basic takedown defense and I never looked back. It's hard for Wing Chun to survive alone, especially with the "dry" way it's being trained mostly nowadays. It needs to evolve to be more flexible and to hold its own against some popular martial arts that simply work. I have no problem being thought how to use hooks, uppercuts and round kicks along with my wing chun, as long as I'm given the choice to do what I'm most comfortable. But the problem are those people that say "thats modified Wing Chun, it hardly looks like the traditional stuff". Yeah, they kind of ridicule evolution.

@yo-lr1bp

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavorBa Honestly, as a wrestler myself, if I ever got into a fight w a guy who stood straight up and stayed right in front of me like these guys, I would blast double them without fail.

@DavorBa

5 жыл бұрын

@@yo-lr1bp Sure thing that would happen. There are even clips of amateur wing chun fighters trying themselves in cage, only to be thrown on the ground and losing to submission within a minute.

When a wing chung practitioners have a considerable amount of sparring, they will realize that there are better and more effective way to throw a punch and kick and when they do that ,they dont want to be Chuners anymore. That, i think is the reason why most of Kung fu styles dont spar or have very limited sparring lessons because Kung fu would lose a lot of students if they were allowed to test what they have learned.

@indigard2747

5 жыл бұрын

@@joeaverage8564 you will be disappointed for sure. I have hear stories about the effectiveness of kung fu like those many times before and in the end they are just stories with zero reliable evidence to back it up ( Video tape for example). The funny thing is Kung fu practitioners know that too but they just cant accept it. Once i tricked one of them to admit that Kung fu was nothing more than a religious cults which require member to have faith to see the truth effectiveness and magical power of Kung fu

@indigard2747

5 жыл бұрын

@Adam A. Sanda? Oh you didnt know . After Wei Lei ,Dinh Hao alongside with many kung fu masters get beaten by Xu Xiaodong and other modern martial artists, the Kung fu community cried for revenge . So they did go out challenge people and a lot of Sanda fighters was challenged by those Kung fu practitioners ( and of course get beaten like usual). Do you want to know why Kung fu practitioners demand to fight Sander fighters to restore the honnor of Kung fu ?

@m5a1stuart83

5 жыл бұрын

@Adam A. You saying BJJ WAY better than Judo? Kosen Judo still retain what Judo before IJF playing with the ruleset. They even winning ADDC for god sake. Judo is sport Jujutsu, and still a battle proven martial art. Some Judoka even take out Muay Thai Practitioner very well. Kung Fu like mantis wont work but Shuai Jiao and Chin Na will work for every fight.

@m5a1stuart83

5 жыл бұрын

@Adam A. You said BJJ WAY better than Jujutsu Japan. Well, Judo is Simplified Jujutsu. Made by Jigoro Kano and he made it easy and more structured compared to Koryu Jujutsu. And Judo is TMA.

@m5a1stuart83

5 жыл бұрын

@Adam A. What makes the art is Traditional and not? And BJJ is descendant of Judo not Koryu Jujutsu.

Its nice to see a battle between two arts where the people actually stay in form and not break down, throwing wild shots because of pressure

The reason why a lot of chunners stick their chin out is because they are specifically instructed to do so. It is part of their stance and supposedly it helps maintain a stronger structure/posture. I'm not advocating for it or anything, I think it's dumb as shit, but that's what I was told when I did Wing Chun.

@dandele123

5 жыл бұрын

Here's a wild thought mate, maybe we're not all taught exactly the same thing. Jerry even comments in the video that he sees a lot of chunners sticking their chin out and I'm explaining that it's not a coincidence, at least from my point of view, because my teacher told us to do it. I trained in Kwok Fu + Cheung's lineage. Did it for a year and a half and then quit.

@inhometraineroakville1174

5 жыл бұрын

If that's what your sifu told you, then I'm sorry to say that he's an idiot! Some people believe it's better structure if you do that. This is dead wrong! Proper structure is when you're centred and there's almost a pulling up through the crown of your head. If you actually do this properly, your chin will be down. I know there are people who tell you to have all your weight or most of it on your back leg. Again this is dead wrong. If you do that, your balance and your power is badly compromised. It really doesn't matter what someone says. Just look at human anatomy and logic! Keep your chin down, your guard up, and move! Anyone who tells you to not do this clearly has no clue how to fight!

@dandele123

5 жыл бұрын

@@inhometraineroakville1174 Yeah after some time I began to realise a lot of the flaws in what I was being taught which was why I quit.

@ronin7798

5 жыл бұрын

That's horseshit. Idk what lineage of wing chun you're training in but I was not taught that. It is not part of our stance. Our stance teaches us to keep the back straight and knees bent, at no point are we told to stick the fucking chin out lmao. That's dumb af

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

That may be so for ultra-traditional WC, but you can use the hard top of the skull by tucking in the chin and it doesn't hurt your ability to use WC.

I sparred against a lifelong wing Chun practitioner in my very first muay thai class, his training and false confidence in standing square made him very easy to hit with the basic boxing I knew. This is not a practical full contact art.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

It is, when trained right.

@kullenberg

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune sadly there seems to be zero evidence of instance of wing chun trained right. It's always "not real wing chun" whenever there's video footage of a wing chun player going at it with someone from another style.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

@@kullenberg uh what? My statements are based on fanboyish hopes. Search up CoreJKD on KZread, they have over a hundred WC vids of how to do it right.

@kullenberg

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune I took a look but I didn't see any sparring footage of wing chun vs other styles

@neutrino78x

5 жыл бұрын

multipass, I see, so if you lost to him, would we conclude that Muay Thai sucks? Or just that you suck?

That second example Muay Thai guy was gentle.

Coming from a TKD practitioner, props to the karate guy on the first clip, those side kicks made me smile.

hahaha any time a wing chun guy starts getting beat you have to jump to a different video.. Im guessing what you really want to see is wing chun winning, not wing chun tested :P

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

If he wanted both he'd go check out sparring videos on Core JKD.

@driver3899

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune The amount of bad habits shown in this kick tells me pretty much all I need to know about how seriously to take Core JKD. Stands on the center while kicking, does not step or turn out toes of supporting leg (which is straight btw), hands held low and head up nice and high and also on center line to easily receive a knock out counter straight right.. not to mention the posture and range would make that kick have pretty laughable power so why even bother throwing it? kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4mXpauxkZu_YNo.html Also I dont know what you call this (playing maybe?) but its sure not what any real martial artist would call sparring. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4mXpauxkZu_YNo.html I dont know if you have ever seen a multiple opponent street fight but it doesnt look anything like that.

@dronewhono5714

5 жыл бұрын

Dirt Diver lol agreed it was really irritating me, I hate when people beg and cry for bullshit like this or kung fu/ ugly snappy tkd karate shit to work. Fuck you, see reality, my lord.

I practice wing chun for Good time and wing chun without gloves is the ideal cause of the trapping,but we also trained with gloves.(sorry for the bad english)

Love the video

Amazing channel mate, I love your content ! It helps me relive my glory days. I’m a former national bjj champ and was lucky enough to participate in an actual vale tudo back in the day. Seeing you go beyond the current UFC trend and pay attention to all sorts of martial arts is really refreshing. You deserve a lot more subscribers and views. Do you actively fight/compete ?

@FightCommentary

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Do you have any footage of your fights. I would love to share with the audience. I don’t compete. If they one day have a stem cell machine that will repair all brain damage, then I’ll compete 🤣

@jeffn4836

5 жыл бұрын

Leo Torres Hmm, former BJJ champ and your channel has a Cuphead display and only 2 videos of RDD2. You think there would be some videos of either you or just martial arts in general. Who did you train under and what belt level did you achieve? What year did you win the national tournament and is it researchable online? Not outright saying I don’t believe you, I’ve just run into a lot of BJJ champs and Vale Tudo champs (and even some kumite champs!) in the comment section and they can never provide evidence or footage. You should send some video of you fighting for this guy to breakdown. Would be a good watch.

In other words, standing around with your chin in the air and your arms stretched out with open palms is just.....bad. Why not use some of the techniques that work and drop the rest, like that god awful stance.

@FightCommentary

5 жыл бұрын

Yep

@dandele123

5 жыл бұрын

Watch MMA fights and fighters like Conor McGregor actually apply a similar concept in guard. You see how McGregor likes to stick his hand out a lot? Not as a strike, but he'll stretch it out as a bait/feeler. The purpose of this is to bait a reaction from the opponent and to also make contact/bridge the gap. The purpose behind the outstretched arm in Wing Chun is exactly what these MMA fighters are doing when they stretch their arm out, it's just the MMA fighters do it better because they don't keep the arm static.

@jimbo5276

5 жыл бұрын

@@dandele123 yeah exactly, the idea of the technique isnt bad it's the execution. Plus someone like conor mcgregor benefits a lot from good head movement, something the guys in these and most wing chun videos never do. Like get your damn head off the center line and put your chin down

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Because they're traditional. You have to stop looking at such conservative, non-progressive modes of thinking if you want to see real and functional Wing Chun.

@schibleh531

5 жыл бұрын

@Mohammed Al Nayeem Actually it is called "Shit stance that doesn't work".

You have so much realness dude

If gloves do affect Wing Chun at all I'd guess it would be because WC spends a lot of time and focus on using touch over sight. The theroy being that you process touch faster, leading to quicker reactions. This is literally the central focus of Chi-Sao and is the reason higher-level practitioners will allow their gaze to slide out of focus when rolling hands. Now, sticking to an opponent who has any idea what they're doing is hard, which, IMO, is where it usually breaks down. But if gloves do interfere, that's probably why.

Good point on the gloves. In wing chung we never use gloves. Now I wanna train wingchung with gloves so I can get the hang of that

I've been addressing the whole "boxing/MMA gloves" effect with my Sifu, and he pointed out something that was staring me right in the face: if your hands aren't free to do the usual trapping, then you use your wrists. This makes sense because when we do Chi Sao, we don't touch at the HANDS; we touch at the WRISTS. Having said that, I do agree with you: it does become a whole different game without gloves. Make no mistake: gloves only make you CHANGE your game; they don't destroy it completely.

My father was a boxer that taught me and my brother how to fight... We sparred alot... That's how we learned! If we didn't slip, duck or move properly from a punch we'd get a bloody nose or knocked out/down.. Sure enough, I learned the hard way...my brother was older and whooped me often. I guess the most important thing I learned other than proper defensive movement was timing, precision, and how to properly sit down on a good punch to do some good damage. I sparred with TKD, Karate and Wing Tsun practitioners as a young teen and wrecked them because... I didn't get any real sparring until I met someone from the IMB academy with Dan Inosanto/Richard Bustillo... that's when I learned facets of Wing Tsun used in conjunction with boxing. Still, my boxing has served me well in addition to BJJ (everyone should be doing some form of submission anyway)... Straight Wing Tsun has been ineffective in my experiences with it as far as sparring. Besides, when sh#t hit the fan and I actually had to fight, nothing is better than knowing how to throw hard, fast and skillfully...

so from what i've seen (not a fighter myself) it looks like wing chun's main advantage is all those neat training montages on the wooden dummies. but like bruce lee said, wooden boards don't fight back.

@firedude339

4 жыл бұрын

@@kungpowchickenwing that sounds pretty cool. You have any videos of Wing Chung working out in the way you mentioned? Genuinely pretty curious.

04:57: "Beware my ancient and deadly art of Disco Hands" lmao

I think anyone who has studied wing chun before and then tried it against something like muay thai or boxing finds out rather quickly not to leave you chin sticking out and that a lot of the techniques taught you will never use. Pretty much the basics of wing chun that you learn I the first year are the only things you need to take from wing chun that you can practically use in a fight.

@dylanmorgan2752

Жыл бұрын

So it begs the question is it just a waste of time then? If anything useful has already been absorbed by other more successful forms of kickboxing and MMA etc.

Jerry you crack me up. 😂

Guess that explains why Bruce Lee felt it was mostly a waste of time eh? At least he gave WC'ers a bit of foot work, feints, and head movement.

@LearnTrainPlay

5 жыл бұрын

Yep

@GregYong

5 жыл бұрын

@Mohammed Al Nayeem He also loved Gene Lebelle's wrestling

@jason3000ize

5 жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee also loved wing chun yes he did feel it had some limitations but all styles /systems do including bjj, muay thai and boxing etc.

@jason3000ize

5 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Picton you're just another keyboard warrior talking shit 💩 💩

@jason3000ize

5 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Picton i'll take the word of people like dan inosanto, ed parker,joe lewis, chuck norris, ji han jae etc as well as trust in what i've seen instead of someone like you who contribute nothing positive to the world.

This is so sad . I’ll go rewatch ip man to wash my eyes

@jestfullgremblim8002

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

I have a question for the admin, what martial arts do u practicing ?

@krugstillo

5 жыл бұрын

He is a 9th dan on Turtle Ninjitsu under Master Michelangelo..

Wing chun is good in the movie. And only.

@yoshidayui7774

5 жыл бұрын

Lol. Tony Ferguson?

@calogerogriffin861

5 жыл бұрын

@@yoshidayui7774 But he doesn't usually use his wc

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Hehe. You haven't seen Wing Chun trained to the proper level of functionality. Core JKD my friend, it will change your life.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

@Big Master Yes, but it involves it heavily, and a foundation of Wing Chun that is functional means that the martial art is, very much, useful.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

@Big Master So, instead of seeing what Wing Chun is really like when applied functionally, you're going to make half-assed claims about the martial arts? A novice boxer has no chance against someone who has train longer at equal intensity, and a novice wrestler will get knocked out by an experienced fighter who can time strikes to their shoot-ins.

First guy is karate. Just so everyone knows.

@arizonatea3734

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Stance and choice of attacks shows that.

@extasse99

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely karate

@icadist

5 жыл бұрын

What style??

@arizonatea3734

4 жыл бұрын

@@martinnvillarreal ok. Have you ever kickboxed? Because theres a difference due to that. Hes not TKD because he's not as bouncy and far more stable (karate). Hes not Thai style because he frequently uses a bladed stance (hip face away, not square to opponent). So that being said, what style do you think he is? Because i went from karate to a kickboxing coach that's foundation was karate.... You just shorten the stance and either keep your hands higher or float them (a la machida for example).

@arizonatea3734

4 жыл бұрын

@@martinnvillarreal lets add the fact he has instep guards and clearly snaps > whips for kicking. So hes not chuck norris pure karate but the hook kick to the head for example definitely came from karate. Side thrusts.... Yea good luck finding straight kickboxers doing that.

I'm not a Wing Chun guy, but I can tell you that I feel a gigantic difference between fighting with gloves (both boxing and mma) and fighting bare knuckle. One of the many differences for me is that I tend to parrie and trap more with bare hands. I also throw more combinations bare handed instead of the mostly-throw-power-shots strategy I tend to fall back on with gloves.

About the gloves on the second fight. The gaps between the gloves are small enough for mma gloves to slip through with good precision. Learned this the hard way, lmao.

Although the logo said "Kickfit"...lol

Here is the info on the fight from the first clip: "NMAL Free Style martial arts competition. Wing Chun (white singlet ) has 17 years wing chun experience has only fought in his own style tournament and has no other external tournament experience. The kickboxer has 6 years experience and has tournament experience. This is modified rules, full contact to the body, semi to the head and legs, sweeps are allowed, no knees or elbows. Belts are used for judging only, the belts do not represent the fights experience."

Wing Chun has a form called '尋橋'Finding the bridge, which includes the technique of gripping kicks (with one hand at the below and then other on top then use Wing Chun kicks or chopping hand or whatever works) for like in the situation at 1:54. But the customary of 'lowering hands' and 'raising chin' (In Wing Chun, we emphasise the posture of leaning back of the body so it could be feeling awkward to do both at the same time) is a fatal problem. Another common problem is that in most Wing Chun Dojo, the teachers are emphasising the Wing Chun kick is too 'Deadly' due to it could easily break your partner's leg, which leads to a lack of kicking training, subsequently, lack of application.

these folks don't get it. in wing chun u have to minipulate your opponent's arms when parrying. plus where are the kicks?

I guess "tested and failed"...

@ultimatecycloneslash4051

3 жыл бұрын

Proven to failed

I don't see any skilled WT guys here that matches with the opponent's skill. I've been doing wing chun for quite some years. I'm connecting to a boxer instructor for some sparring - mainly to learn boxing, but also to learn more about how to deal with one. But i will surely try out some stuff - and hope to get it caught on tape. Thanks for commenting objectively on these vid's :)

Problem with wing chug is that it lacks movement and angles. They tend to come straight forward and their stance is flawed. Making them easy to counter and bully with kicks. Their punches also lack stopping power which disfavors them in exchanges too

You should look at some videos of boxing mixed with wing chun I think you would find that interesting

The kickboxer is Dominic Deligny. Tae Kwon Do, Karate and Kickboxing are the answer you are looking for.

I agree to an extant that gloves change the dynamic , but that being said let’s see wing chun guy in a bare knuckle boxing match and see what happens👍

Taekwondo is good for some ppl and if you know how to keep your distance, i always keep my distance and rn its helping me.

A) These are all great examples of how effective Wing Chun is, B) The MMA guy clearly dominated in that last match, not even close, that leg kick stopped the sparring.

Wing Chun: I'm gonna stand here and just block whatever comes in.

Martial arts with gloves on is like going to war with rubber bullets.

i trained both, i sparred against boxers, i used both styles and i put up a much better fight with boxing, wing chun leaves u too stiff open and predictable, if any mma fighter trains wing Chun for a year, he will know all of their flaws and work against them, when fighting a wing chunner rule number 1, try to keep distance with kicks and step in step out punches, rule number 2, use alot of kicks, rule number 3, if u get close, try clinching or takedowns, dont stand in their short punch distance. rule number 4, have ur arm block ready to cancel their chain punch combos. rule number 5 try to use feints to distract them into parrying early and try to avoid staying in their centre line

1. Wing Chun is ridiculously disadvantaged by gloves. Same with Silat, 5 ancestors, Pak Me, Tai Chi, and basically anything with finger techniques, trapping, or push hands concepts. Most affected are probably any "internal" martial arts that transmit chi primarily through the hands and forearms, and gloves interfere. 2. the chin being up can help occasionally with balance. If the hands are up and there is good head movement, it has few drawbacks as long as the chin is tucked at the right moment. However, chin tucked is a GREAT boxing habit with few drawbacks too.

Jeet Kune Do man without gloves would be interesting as hell

In the 3rd fight, that tall boxer had some kind of He-Man strap on… lmao

Something they don't understand is that the opponent in real life actually fights back.

The WC people seem very defensive, often waiting on the opponent almost like Aikido..... Also they fight mostly in a straight line with their footwork.

@Rajj854

5 жыл бұрын

They should be getting into the opponent from word go. Most seem not to know this basic thing of Wing Chun fighting. If you hang back, you are dead, you will be kicked or taken down in seconds. The straight line is deliberate, its to get into and control the straight distance to your opponents body , where the vital organs are. Its called the centre line control and is a basic Wing Chun philisophy.

@i-v-l9335

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rajj854 Thank goodness that you understand that principle. The gross number of people treating WC like a passive counter style is exactly why they get their asses handed to them. What I think is bad is that they are probably purposely taught to be a counter fighter and expect to be a brick wall. This is exactly what we see in every one of these WC spar videos.

@Rajj854

5 жыл бұрын

50k3r2 There are two big drawbacks in WC today. The first is common to most Kungfu students who spend all their time in the gym training instead of fighting. Fighting teaches you how to apply what you have learnt. Otherwise you are like a doctor who passed his exams but has never seen a patient! Back in China till the thirties, Kungfu was a living practical fighting art. It was battle tested in street and competitions so that only the best survived. All that is gone today. The second is the massive popularity of WC movies which has created a huge market for WC teachers. These so called sifus are just students from the previous generation now calling themselves teachers. Crap turning out crap.

@MrDioXIII

4 жыл бұрын

It's the funniest thing because from what I have seen of WC philosophy, it's meant to be very offensive, pressure based. Like Pacquiao or Max Holloway styled fighting, non stop offense that shuts down an unprepared opponent, yet none of them practice or know how to do it in sparring/fighting, they go defensive and wait. It's like driving a stick shift car or cooking a dish. You can read all the books or be taught the theory, but unless you practice it for real, you won't know how to do it.

@albertomassidda

3 жыл бұрын

That's how it got taugh, in the bad old days of Leung Ting's Wing Tsun. Wait for the attack and counter. It's not their fault.

I trained boxing,karate and BJJ but this wing chun stuff...NO WAYYY

Gloves make a difference. You notice in a lot of old bare knuckle boxing stances, their hands are down to protect the body. Blows to head are less likely due to risk of breaking your hands.

You should do voice acting, like you'd be a great soka for avatar

Wing chun practioners need to adapt with different styles in order for it to work. You can't stand square in a street fight, you'd get kick in the balls.

the 5:07 fight is in some military base i belive, the guy in blue sport suit and black cap says to me it is in Poland (we get issued this, and in military slang its called blueberry), so guy in white shirt is military. Also 5:49, there is other guy in uniform passing through the door.

Hey dude what about making a video about karate fighters ? vs mma,kung fu,judo, boxing,etc

tall guy was amateur heavy weight boxing champion in hong kong

So this is the guys who have watched ipman 1 to 4 become wing chun fighters

Haahahaha. Asian guy says all asians look alike 😂😂😂

kungfu is cool for kungfu teachers, because they can show you all what they have while you dont wanna hurt them

Its not the style it's how you train. It doesn't matter what style you take .

"Wing chung guy" lol

Hey my dude. I'm a wing Chun guy. But I have trained in many other styles my whole life. I tell you what. Gloves really fuck with wing Chun

Until you are out under pressure and caught on film everyone thinks they look like JCVD and hit like Tyson.

Wing Chun dude in first fight was not using his feet and was waiting for the hits.

IP Man got these boys out here getting eff'ed up. haha!

It wasn't the lack of gloves making the wing chun more fluid, it was the lack of gloves slowing the pace and emphasising techniques as the mma guy probably didn't want to cause injury when the inevitable happens and the wing chun guy eats a fist

@kyehutchison1553

5 жыл бұрын

In the fight they couldn't punch only open hand strikes

The guy at the start is definitely kyokushin because he keeps punching the body with kyokushin punches and he keeps throwing low kicks

Tony Ferguson holds a belt in that slap fighting. Like to see him spar

I think the real issue is that if you study a "style" there are techniques to the style and things that, if you do, "that's not the true style" so you limit yourself both in what you do and what you get used to seeing. A person that fights MMA has to be ready for anything he sees and can respond in any way that works (or learn it doesn't work the hard way). If I know your "style" I have a clue presumably what you have trained most and also what you have likely ignored; that has to be an advantage. In the 21st century, fighters have seen Wing Chun in movies if not on video, so there is a bit of a disadvantage especially if the MMA guy knows ahead of time. This is not to make an excuse for wing chun, but to point out the disadvantage of being a proponent of a "style" versus begin able to train more holistically. it's like being focused on a subset of techniques versus being a generalist: if it falls within your strength, you might have an advantage, but if your adversary can avoid your strengths, you might be in for a long day!

It’s not excuses ,I do MMA and wing tsun ,doesn’t exist the better martial arts because is the fighter that put the life in own martial arts! I fought against different people that practiced different martial arts and sometimes I won sometimes I lost ,the important is practiced the own martial arts with love👍

I want to see wing Chun tested in the hardened stadiums in Thailand.... By the time they get the wing Chun guy on the stretcher, the next fight will be commencing for the gamblers

The lad fighting WC is a pro kick boxing champion and a shoot fighter and his base was TKD

I wonder if it would make much difference if it was in a much smaller fighting area? I still believe MMA will have a big advantage due to the overall training modalities, hard sparring, etc. However, it might be a bit more evenly matched if they were fighting in a very small area.

For my fellow mma guys. Do light sparring with no gloves or wraps. See how much different the clinching is. I

I think it's sbout range and space. Wing chun is good when you're in a small space where not much big movement is allowed such as high kick, spinning kick etc. There's a reason why it is developed by the previous people. You just have to know each martial arts specific designed for what situation. There's certain martial arts for slippery area, for small area or for large space. You just have to be humble and not bragging that your martial arts is the best

Wing Chun guys delivers the hardest blows... On birthday cakes.

Can you do a video on fights without gloves?

@FightCommentary

5 жыл бұрын

Sure

It seems that lack of initiative is another common thing among Wing Chun practitioners. Chi Sao and stuff is great, but is pretty hard to win by only responding to attacks and not attacking yourself. They basically give the opponent advantage of the element of surprise, no wonder they get their asses kicked.

When I started taekwondo and judo 1982 I was so sure that taekwondo was better than whatever you can think of. When I got older I recognized that it wasn't really so. And now I'm a little bit back again. I mean for an individual wing chun can be the best. Maybe he would suck in judo, karate, kung fu or whatever but be really good at wing chun!?! And my point is simply that its better to do any sport than non at all. In my case... In my 47 yr when I have had no option but to fight for whatever reason it usually ends up on the ground... A couple of punches and down we go wrestling on the ground so... For me judo wasn't "cool" when I was younger but it has been the best Martial art for me. Understand that the video is from a sport angle but anyway... ☺

People don't realize half the criticisms that they think are exclusive to Wing Chun...aren't. For example, let's say a Wing Chun practitioner wins a fight by knocking someone out with a hook punch. People think Wing Chun is only straight punches (SIDE NOTE: it's not), so they say, "That wasn't real Wing Chun." However, if a Wing Chun person fights a Jiu-Jitsu opponent, and their Wing Chun LOOKS like Wing Chun, and they win, people say, "Yeah well...that guy wasn't using real Jiu-Jitsu." Or the Jiu-Jitsu guy was tired, or he had a cold, or he was upset because his girlfriend dumped him, or he stubbed his toe on his coffee table that morning so that owee on his foot made him unable to fight to the best of his ability. See how that is a "wanting it best of both worlds" mentality? If the Wing Chun guy wins, then it was because he wasn't doing real Wing Chun OR it was because the other guy must have been a crappy fighter. Yet you NEVER hear this stuff if a Tae Kwon Do person beats a grappler. For some reason, Wing Chun is the "red-headed stepchild" of the martial arts world.

The reason the chin is up is to maximize ones view incase of multiple attacker, weapons and area view. But I think this can be disregaded in 1v1 fights.

I really don't understand how some people don't have the commonsense. When you fight, you should always keep your chin down, protect your face and your body with your elbows next to ur ribcage. Boxers, kickboxers, Muay Thai etc... they have an amazing stance when they fight. Always moving, Footwork, head movement and timing it's the key in a fight. You can't just stay in one place when you fight. You have to move around and find openings etc... Obviously the dude in the video doesn't know crap about real fighting. Unbelievable 🤦‍♂️

The dude at 4:38 that you thought you knew reminds me of Henry from MxR plays / MxR mods

lol, everybody Wing Chun tonight! :p .....sorry, I just had to...

In that movies i can see Young, short, boys that have low experience in fighting or sparring vs tall, strong, experienced fighters. That could be experienced boxer vs short weak boxer or karate, judo etc vs experienced fighter... And effect would be the same. Ps: Sorry for my English.

the myth of bruce lee did more damages than any of seagal movies

In all these videos I never see any of the kung fu fighters fight like what you'd expect kung fu to look like, or use the moves you'd associate with it. Most either just flail like someone who has never been in a fight, or resort to a more conventional (but usually poorly executed) western boxing/kickboxing style; either way, nothing that resembles kung fu. The few that I've seen attempt (and I stress "attempt") to fight in their traditional kung fu stance and style give it up very quickly or just fail to do anything except eat punches and kicks. I'm convinced that kung fu is a completely useless martial art in terms of fighting. It's very aesthetically pleasing and is very graceful as an art form, makes for cool movie fight scenes, and of course it serves as good exercise, but that's about it.

@i-v-l9335

4 жыл бұрын

There's good Wing Chun. It's under Alan Orr who trains MMA fighters. Some of them are monsters and WAY better than these many of these Asian matches.

WC guys on KZread tend to fight from a static position which impedes their ability to initiate explosive movement. Look at MMA, , Muay Thai, boxing, kick boxing, contact karate etc they all utilise “pulsing” to some degree

1:23 it looks like the "ref" here tells him not to do roundhouse kicks, and he stops doing them right here

Hey could you do rough and rowdey commentary its funny

I wanna hear you say "how many jigawatts are in the flux capacitor!!"

@FightCommentary

5 жыл бұрын

I’ll say that soon 🤣

Wing Chun is for Close Range. Bruce Lee knew it and made his own System Jeet Kune Do. I practiced Wing Chun and I can tell you Wing Chun is just as good as the Fighter . In Wing Chun after First Contact you don't let your Opponent go. You even Slap in Wing Chun (Palm Strikes) and use Ellbow-Strikes.

These guys suffer from a deeply rooted problem in wing chun today. Too many practitioners think that you have to “look” wing chun in order to be wing chun. The martial art is versatile in that it can be used both in sport and self defense, which are two totally different things. It’s not smart to only practice one kind of punch, which is what we see mostly from lots of wing chun- the consecutive straight punches known as “chain” or “roll” punches. Do you mean to tell me that you will never find a use for a cross, uppercut or hook?? It’s simply unrealistic to not train punching from all angles and not simply straight on. These guys would have done themselves more good if they practiced more footwork, sparring, and wing chun techniques from any other line of attack than ONLY the centerline.

Commentary: Yeah, I think there is a rule which say no kicking Wallsign: KICKfit

@TheCultureCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Great nickname. You should apply as Loren Avedons stunt double in "King of the kickboxers". Muay Thuggery is a pretty good way describing his behavior in Thailand.

I could go for chicken wing right.....about now lol

4:49 Considering the wall behind him says, "kickfit" you would think kicking is allowed.

The idea is it's not realistically easy to catch or block blows like in the movies.

u forgot to mark the 13 year old yellowbelt as grandmaster...😄