Hello everyone. I am the "boxer" they called. It's a little embarrassed when I found this video on this channel. I am not really a standard boxer. I practiced some boxing skills in the university club and gym, and participated in some small events. It was a 10 years ago. Boxing, Kickboxing, power lift and weight lift are my favorite hobby. Hobby means not my professional ability. (And I have NOT learn about Wing Chun or any else Martial Art ) Now I am a dealer of sporting goods, NOT a boxer or athlete. Qi La La is my friend and client. This video was the second time we are meeting. (3 years ago) He's really good Wing Chun fighter now. Some people mentioned the weight of the glove and the attacking power. You must know that my body weight more than Qi La La over 50 pounds. And this is a friendly touch sparring, no kick, no throw. we don't want any harm to appear. (This is not a safety area.) Just like communicate in the different fighting style we are good at. Fight for Which is the better between boxing or Wing Chun is not our purpose.

@demonguy5082

5 жыл бұрын

Nice

@weirdscience8341

5 жыл бұрын

I think you showed good restraint you have nice footwork don't be embarrassed its a good showcase thanks for participating and filming it so we could see you really could have put him down with a few shots i think you showed great restraint 👍👍👍

@weirdscience8341

5 жыл бұрын

@Siddhartha RC theres enough of them about does your head in they write all this knowledge without even attending a class let them have there fun true martial artists know what there capable of but these internet brucelees seem to think in there heads there all kabib lol

@WorkoutKaisFist

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys. You're all so kindly :)

@mikeyjames1000

5 жыл бұрын

Dont be embarrased you guys did very well

Props to the young man for getting outside his comfort zone and honing himself against other styles.

@callumbiasnow4825

5 жыл бұрын

amd19892009 Exactly, he’s trying to test his martial art and apply it where he can. No shame in that, just need to keep sparing, sparing, sparing!

@pongnakalohan887

3 жыл бұрын

Believe or not that young man (wing chun) was 36 at that time...

Respect to him for trying to test his art, no shame in that. And some of his techniques are legitimately working. No boxer goes in to a ring to spar and is instantly amazing, so the wing chun guy needs to keep sparing, taking the L and improving. Obviously wing chun has some big flaws, but there is definitely things that can be adapted to work and work well.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

I find it funny how people always includes that Wing Chun has flaws as a fighting style and then treat it like its a failed or incomplete system, but at the same time they'll also consider boxing a perfect science while ignoring its weaknesses to kicks and grappling. Most people who criticize any style on the internet don't know that much outside of their own styles, which is why open-mindedness is important.

@callumbiasnow4825

4 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune I appreciate what your saying, but the difference is boxing is means tested every day. there are literally millions of accounts of people winning fights with boxing, whether that's in boxing, mma or as self defense on the streetz. Wing Chun is rarely tested in any environment, and therefore much of it is not working. Boxing as a stand up martial art is tested at such a higher level than wing chun, making it better.

@SwordTune

4 жыл бұрын

@@callumbiasnow4825 I get what you're saying, but it ignores one thing: the human body. Neither boxing nor WC owns the body and it's mechanics. Other martial arts that have been tested by fighters or by soldiers and police include techniques from wing Chun. To say that it doesn't work is just stupid. An elbow block will always be an elbow block, a parry and a punch don't change when they get called something different. Wing Chun isn't any less effective, it draws on the exact same things as everything else. The problem is that WC's traditional system follows one man's pedagogy: Ip Man. He developed his style for one purpose, and that was to teach it to as many people as possible. He didn't care about making fighters. But non-traditional wing Chun isn't any less authentic, it's simply different. Champion fighters with novel techniques or tactics don't bring something completely new to MMA, they only adjust it and evolve slowly.

@callumbiasnow4825

4 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune You seem to be talking to me as if I've dismissed Wing Chun entirely and said it doesn't work at all. If you reread my original comment, you'll see I'm actually saying the opposite. I've praised some of his wing chun techniques for working, I've only said that he needs to test his techniques in order to improve them. IP Man may have created this system as a teaching tool, but martial arts are only as good as their application. Which is why testing is needed. You can read a book about how to drive a car, but that wont teach you how to drive. You have to drive to lean how to drive. Likewise you can be taught a boxing left hook if 5 minuets, but that wont mean you have a good left hook. Some wing chun moves seem to work well in a combat situation, you can see from this video, but many may not, until they are tested we don't know. With boxing, kick boxing, judo, TKD, karate, BJJ, MMA etc they are tested in some form of competition. If what you are doing doesn't work, you lose or get beat up. From there you can adjust the techniques, improve them or get rid off them all together. That needs to be added to wing chun to improve it.

@user-fk8tr5ev8q

2 жыл бұрын

@@callumbiasnow4825 Understand the problem with basing the effectiveness of a martial art based on few fighter capabilities. In boxing, not every boxer will be effective in implementing techniques in a street fight. That's up to the individual fighter to master their craft.

This wing Chun guy will be legend in the future. I'm calling it.

@zoommair

4 жыл бұрын

nahhh....

@Sprite7778iron

3 жыл бұрын

2020 now and its starting

@mdcruz

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I’m studying him having discovered him recently on this channel. The commentators are critical of his style although they seem fascinated by him (probably because he is a wing chun guy who can fight -LOL). He/they are obviously just sparring so they are studying their arts and therefore experimenting as well. Qi La La is probably adhering as much to WC Centerline Theory to practice applying it in competition/combat. His hands being placed on Center (Jong Sao type) and his linear attacks demonstrate he is practicing keeping forward energy going (Chong Chi), phon sao (follow up) and keeping his do yin (facing or square so you have two hands and a foot available equidistant to target. He is training smart and for real.

@user-fk8tr5ev8q

2 жыл бұрын

...stop

This little spar session makes me feel like there's a little bit life left in martial arts. This is what its supposed to be. Fun, friendly and not about killing each others. Respect

@gotgunpowder

3 жыл бұрын

there's a real issue with MMA/BJJ types who think any martial art that doesn't allow you to beat your opponent within an inch of their lives is not worth their time. very sad tbh.

If you guys want to see Rob’s channel that he will start consistently uploading to, please go here: kzread.info/dron/eQsyqEoxMpzmtWi_ZLAaFg.html

Traditional martial arts are very good for what they were intended for, that is overcoming the brute force of larger stronger attackers by redirecting force. But the stick and move, in and out, rapid combinations and defensive strategies of western boxing, there was nothing in the original Chinese playbook to prepare for that. That is why marital artists almost always get knocked out by good boxers.

Every time FCB does a Wing Chun sparring video it sounds like me praising a dog for going potty outside. OHHHHH LOOK AT HIM USING FOOTWORK! GOOD BOY OHHHHH HE'S KEEPING HIS CHIN DOWN THAT'S MY LITTLE CHAMPION YES HE IS. YES HE IS.

@MrAlepedroza

5 жыл бұрын

Like it or not, they have to start somewhere. Its great that these guys are finally realizing what they have to do in order to be legit.

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrAlepedroza I agree. This is only a start, but it's a very promising one.

@demiurgoyinyang3485

5 жыл бұрын

I get the joke hahaha nice kkk

@austinsavage

5 жыл бұрын

I only praise my dog when he goes potty, and then cleans up after himself

@weirdscience8341

5 жыл бұрын

Its effective against drunk and untrained fighters....my foundation in martial arts was wing chun but i started muyi thai then kickboxing then mma respectively and i still find the odd little bit effective especially chain punches for creating distance so i can throw a head or liver kick

I dig this, this kung fu bro is doing things in a really good way. I really like this guy, he comes across as chill and earnest.

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

yeah, more QLL

@kimmo9127

5 жыл бұрын

Diz Zkl damm toxic

@maxderp3034

4 жыл бұрын

Sarje Sinclaire this is wing chun?

Hey man I really enjoy your videos. Your comments are mostly objective and respectful towards the martial arts. Thank you man. Much appreciated

crazy to see how far Q iLa La has come!

This was really interesting to watch, great commentary!

Great video by the way :)

I imagine the wing chun guys review of his performance is in Mandarin or something. It would be great if you translated it. I'd love to know his thoughts. Thanks!

As always great video.

Yay, a Wing Chun person who can actually fight in a sparring session

It is common to switch stances in wing chun like qi la la. This is done in some of the training drills.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, but most practitioners don't know how to go from drills to sparring to real fighting.

@pogdog69

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune that may be true in most cases. I would argue most people don't know what real fighting is like unless they have physically been involved in one. We do some sparring in the ring at our gym with helmets on etc. Normally this is done in short rounds of a minute or so, after each round if someone wants to switch out for someone else they can or they can keep going.

@hectorheckler6327

5 жыл бұрын

Switching stances could be useful when you want to confuse your opponent just before hitting him with a spinning hook kick.

Hey Jerry, to contribute to you question about switching stances, in WC we dont put importance on having a dominant side cause we want to be able to be proficient in both SP and ortho stances. Heres a tid bit, we do the forms starting with the left side first in order to become comfortable with a typically non dominant hand, therefore to be ambidextrous. Little side note, love what youre doing with your channel man. Happy to hear you root for the kung fu underdog, especially the wc guys. Im def the same way.

Great great episode

Could this be the start of TMA's redemption arc?

@05dturner

5 жыл бұрын

I kinda doubt it.

@dramaticreaper

5 жыл бұрын

@Vision Tube maybe this would inspire more TMA people to get out of their comfort zone and try to see how uselss they are and take ojt what works and what doesn't

@loliH9

5 жыл бұрын

I mean, the start would normally be hitting rock bottom but most TMA guys didn't rethink shit after getting slapped out of the ring by actually competent and proven fighters multiple times. If a meme martial art like Wing Chun can be turned into a viable martial art that won't devolve into Barto's Fist after the first hit, then other styles could.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

MMA: We invented real fighting. TMA: "Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years!"

@lastword8783

4 жыл бұрын

the only redemption would be to adopt a 'adopt what works, discard what doesn't' approach. At that point how many would be 'traditional'?

This is the meaning of friendly sparring to improve skills, reaction, experiment not to win or beat each other. Good job

I like your channel a lot! Great work, expect to see more videos from you!

An excellent video! Thanks for uploading. To answer your question Master Jerry, it is common for Wing Chun Practitioners to change leads. Aloha from Texas, Dr. Liam Stone, D.D., Ph.D., N.D.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Please don't call me Master Jerry ;) I am no master and would never claim to be. I'm a novice. I appreciate your comments on the videos though!

@LovinglyStonedProd

4 жыл бұрын

Fight Commentary Breakdowns Thank you for the message. Absolutely, Sir Jerry. Please consider it just a title of respect. Aloha from Texas, Dr. Liam Stone, D.D., Ph.D., N.D.

Correct chain punching even when closing the gap involves entering the opponents space with three things, the step, the trapping motion and the attack simultaneously. Without these he will always be countered coming in. .

Wing Chun forms promote ambidexterity, and chi sao is intentionally squared up to train both sides as equals. It's super interesting to see participatory sparring between boxing and Wing Chun, rather than the usual 'which-is-better' challenge match. So much great insight here. I wish we had commentary of the fighters themselves talking through what they learned in videos like this. My school works a lot on footwork, but I'm sure mine would fall apart in a scenario like this too, just because I've never sparred with a boxer before. In future videos, Qi La La later figured out how to penetrate more often with his lead foot on the outdoor side of the opponent's lead foot, making it much harder to circle out and counter with the hook. Looks like he hadn't picked up that habit yet in this video.

@jerichobeach2967

Жыл бұрын

Is that why they do that stance switching and lead arm switching instantly with their feet? It looks so out of place when they switch unnecessarily

@texasgreentea1

Жыл бұрын

@@jerichobeach2967 Most wing chun people do it incorrectly IMO. The drills and forms do encourage you to develop muscle memory equally on both sides, but most guys take that into a sparring session and switch haphazardly without purpose, just because they don't spar a lot. A switch should never be arbitrary IMO. Most fighting styles correctly use switching as a method to surprise the opponent. But switching is also extremely useful for distance management IMO, and most styles fail to capitalize on that part because it requirese deep ambidexterity. Some wing chun people who spar a lot begin to fully grasp that part. I've seen non-wing-chun people do it well too, but it's hard because most styles seem to encourage planting into one stance and staying there for long periods of time. I believe wing chun sets up ambidexterity habits well, but it takes a whole bunch of sparring to use the habits in the right place against a live opponent.

@jerichobeach2967

Жыл бұрын

@@texasgreentea1 I can see switching helping for perhaps defensive reasons or if the situation calls for it and I am untrained but I’ve been in a couple fights, not very many but instinctively I’d go with the boxer stance mostly power hand back weaker hand leading. I’ve seen a few chun fighters on KZread do good when they don’t switch around and have good footwork. The robotic moving ones don’t last long

There's actually footwork and angles training in Wing Chun. A lot of side steps and pivots to make sure you're out of the oponent's line of attack but he's still in yours. But this guy didn't really use it. I also think that this type of friendly sparring is a much better way of testing and learning then going straight to a competitive fight. Remove the competition and reputation aspect and just keep the focus on the fight

Respectful, intelligent, martial artists willing to explore, fail and learn from their mistakes. Keyboard warriors take note.

I'm admiring this qi la la guy more and more. Ive seen some of his other vids and what he's doing shows greater humility than what any of the kung fu "grandmasters" (so-called) from mainland China are willing to put out. I guess that's the advantage of being a nobody who doesn't have the pressure of maintaining some mythical BS title for a living.

@ww3032

4 жыл бұрын

He isn't afraid of losing. He seems like he's always open to learning, and that's very admirable. If only more tma guys could adopt his mentality rather than believing they are the best fighter in the world.

@gbormann71

3 жыл бұрын

@@ww3032 Only idiots think they're the best fighter of the world, regardless of background. None of the traditional nor modern MA practioners I know have delusions of grandeur, me included. Quite the opposite. In the first place it's just great fun.

Wow! Would love to see a side by side of this and his fighting now. Be really interesting to break down just how it has evolved

I like how he started to get better in round 2 before he caught that knockdown.

Very respectful sparring by the boxer 👍👍

Wing chun has an effective range, its between boxing and grappling which makes it hard to close the distance and apply against good strikers with good footwork. Yes alternating stances when fighting is very common in wing chun.

@r6993tt4

5 жыл бұрын

a good look at inside fighting, and what is should look like kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYqYuZacnLGyYs4.html

@zoommair

4 жыл бұрын

@@r6993tt4 uhhhhh.....

Yes, changing stances is very important. This is what also helps you get off your attackers center line and allows you to attack his center line that is inline with you. (meaning try to angle off and don't fight toe to toe). This is all footwork that I don't think teachers teach at all for some reason.

Looks like they're really good friends who just wanted to test their skills bit also have fun. Good for them.

Well, the boxing guy had it all, the wing chun guy'll have to analyze his NB strategies, very friendly fight, very good video, nice!

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

NB strategies?

@demiurgoyinyang3485

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune noob*

about the mention of wing chun switching stances frequently at 5:55 - I think a core tenet of wing chun is that it should be applicable at any time, from any position, and so some of us train both sides and stances evenly. A lot of the footwork I've learned moves us out of danger by switching stances and changing angles

I switch pretty often with my wing chun. Being square on with your opponent allows for easy switching and sometimes it gives you an advantage to be able to angle and blitz when you get a successful hand/arm grapple. Most spar partners get out of that situation as fast as they can so it helps set you up for a good hit.

such an interesting exchange all those folk on the sidelines are face glued to their smartphones surfing youtube no doubts

In WC , the hands are relaxed for gauging tactile response, up until the moment they become hammers, but only for that moment, then back to relaxed. This Qi La La is very tense... all that cortisol slowing him down... good sesh tho , and thx for bringing it.

@kanthabelmaniac7906

3 жыл бұрын

Probably because its first time sparring with somebody with another mqrtial art

Very good performance on both fighters! As a practitioner of both Boxing and Wing Chun, I feel I'm qualified to give them both the fighters thumbs up in skill and in sportsmanship! Wing Chun would not have even existed without boxing (bareknuckle fisticuffs) and boxing would not have refined into the juggernaut without SE Asian Martial Arts (i.e. Wing Chun, Silat, Dirty Boxing, & Kali). Maritime trade, colonialism, and piracy from the late 1700s to the mid 1800s was the perfect storm of creating Wing Chun. Ironically, Wing Chun was a "Proto-Mixed Martial Art" because Chinese Pirates fought Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish sailors who fought with machetes, dusacks (early cutlasses), small swords, and bareknuckle boxing for H2H fighting. The Chinese Pirates adopted techniques from the Western Sailors and went back to Chaozhou, China and Fujian, China and started refining Southern White Crane Hakka Fist (Southern Mantis) into shorter movements and stances because people back then fought with swords. After merging these techniques, Wing Chun was created probably in Red Boat Opera. People used to create martial arts in theaters like fan fiction., White Crane was also created that way. Actors back then were made up of thieves, pirates, and serial killers. When these techniques were combined, Wing Chun was born. Back then, Wing Chun was probably the most effective fighting/killing style from 1850s to around 1889 Wing Chun beats boxing because it took the best from every style and used basic physics of distance and centerline. However after 1889, Queensberry Rules were dropped because boxers started adopted a more James J. Corbett style modern boxing stance opposed to the John Sullivan's fisticuff stance used the earlier days. Corbett was the only person ever known to win against Sullivan. Corbett was born in San Francisco, where he probably fought Chinese & Filipinos who used Kung Fu and Kali at him when he was a kid. Early Chinatowns had a criminal element and people used knives to slit people's wrists to rob them and "Shanghai" drunken sailors. Corbett's technique allowed the fighter to throw quicker and more powerful punches without having to cover as much. Modern boxing still uses modified versions of Corbett's stance which covers the face more, blades the body, and ducks the chin a bit. Also, the corkscrew punch, twisting the punch, and torque was adopted and used effectively in the ring and on the streets. From 1910s on Boxing was generally DOMINATED Wing Chun, with a few exceptions. History can be summarized like this: -Boxing (fisticuffs) vs. Pre-Wing Chun (Boxing wins) -Wing Chun vs. Boxing (Sullivan era) (Wing Chun wins) -Modern Boxing (Corbett) vs. Wing Chun (Modern Boxing Wins w/exceptions) Exception... watch snatch Mickey the Pikey, uses modern Irish bareknuckle boxing which was influenced by Chinese Sailors. He used a tan sau hit from the outside, using element of surprise on Gorgeous George. Modern day Irish fisticuffs, Ironically, is closer to Wing Chun. To this day both styles continue to influence each other. They are the same style, you need both the competitive nature of boxing with the combative element of wing chun. Fellow Chunners, please keep an open mind when you train and be open to learn from other styles because after all Wing Chun is a proto-mma. Fellow Boxers, please keep an open mind too when you train because incorporating traditional martial arts can allow you to understand how to deal with "dirty moves" and kicks. Nice job again to both fighters! Well done! Cheers!

I don't know about other wing chun practitioners, but I know I switch stances all the time, it just flows naturally for me

Although he was easily beaten in this session, I think this is much more impressive. For one thing, his opponent actually knew how to fight, but for another, he stuck more to traditional wing chun. It was a much cleaner style comparison. I guess that's what happens when you turn off the adrenaline tap. This is probably the best real-world example of wing chun I've ever seen, and it suggest that there could be hope yet for the style. I look at Qi La La here, and I think, yeah, this guy could pass the Joe Line with wing chun alone. I don't think I've ever seen a real wing chun fighter that was able to hang with untrained people before.

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

That said, the match kind of reveals how unsophisticated wing chun is relative to boxing. Set aside everything you know about these two styles: which appeared more powerful, more dynamic, more mobile--I'd say boxing comes out as just a much more advanced, much less robotic style. You can see this guy's footwork just blowing away the traditional wing chun footwork (and yes, switching from southpaw to orthodox is very common in wing chun), forcing Qi La La to chase the boxer down. The crazy thing is that the boxer is more mobile backing away than the wing chun guy is advancing. And I suspect the difference would be much more apparent at 100%--I think a lot of good boxing shots, because a real boxing hook is very much locked up in the upper body and driven by the hips and legs, are going to cut right through defenses that hold up at 25% power. A lot of these shots that landed would have been knockdowns, maybe a possible KO a couple of times.

@senmafugu

5 жыл бұрын

@@elenchusdon't forget about how wing chun method of striking is inferior to almost any other martial art. All the power comes from extending the arm fast. No shoulders, no hips twist. I've never seen anyone got kOed by WC.

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

@@senmafugu Well the wing chun guys will just claim that they actually also have all boxing, all kickboxing, all Muay Thai, all wrestling and all BJJ in wing chun, it's just you never actually see them practicing all of these great techniques for some reason lol. I'm not saying that this "proves wing chun is the best style~!!!11" I'm just saying this is a nice showing, maybe the first ever nice showing for wing chun. I guess if I were to be charitable to wing chun, there are some pretty mean looking elbows in their second form. That seems to be one of the only moves that would actually do damage to someone who wanted to hurt them. Everything else comes off more as a tactical move intended to keep people away or interrupt them.

@thedoubtfuls

5 жыл бұрын

I agree it's a great find.

I love the way he admits his mistake to improve his tactics.

Hi Jerry! Wing Chun practitioner here... To explain generally why we switch stances as shown in this video, it's for finding new lines of attack, and avoiding our opponents' line of attack. E.g. (Avoiding an opponent's line of attack) A southpaw stance against an orthodox stance allows one to fend off jabs while defending the rear punch, since if both had the same lead stance, both are in line in each other's rear attack(the power shot)

@ltttt9448

5 жыл бұрын

SCREAM THEGUY wing Chun is good for movies, vs any trained fighter it’s absolutely useless

@theorganicway2go

5 жыл бұрын

@@ltttt9448 how would you like to be in the ring against this guy when theres no restrictions? Thought so. Your statement is like saying cars arent allowed to have wheels, so theyre useless. cmon now. Boxing doesnt kick. WC does. Game over. Boxing has little chance when ANY of its stances are based on not being chopped out from underneath.

@ltttt9448

5 жыл бұрын

robert moses fuck I’d destroy that guy, I’m like 6,3 and 98kg and have been training in mma for last few years

@thedoubtfuls

5 жыл бұрын

@@ltttt9448 that's good for u, yr size and efforts in mma are admirable, yr brutish comments not so

@screamtheguy6425

5 жыл бұрын

Guys can we just stop going around in circles?? The most elite wing chun practitioners and boxers would not give a damn if they could deal against each other's martial art, these people train many hours a day and their hearts' are focused on improving themselves. In the end, the one with better training wins, nothing surprising...

That’s some decent sparing. Wing Chun guy’s got fast hands.

@Awakenedmind333

4 жыл бұрын

Anathmatician haha well to be fair he is weeping different gloves that support his locomotion

I was always taught in wing chun that I should be letting them attack and then counter attacking with a step off to the blind side

Maybe if he was a higher level wing chin fighter. Boxing has the advantage in general but this was very nice to watch. No ego, two young men having fun and learning.

Boxer is picking this guy apart. The only reason it looks like its even close is that the boxer is going light. If he put anything into this punches the WC guy wouldn't be so composed. He's getting lit up by a really polite boxer.

@austinsavage

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the boxer was wearing 12/16 oz gloves

@fapking4776

5 жыл бұрын

Sparring

You mentioned how the way to deal with someone firing a blitz down the pipe is to angle off with an attack. This is true for either practitioner. I’ve been putting my Wing Chun to the test against non-WC people. The first thing I noticed when I tried the blitz: if they block the first attack, they’ll block them all. Conversely, if they chase me down the pipe with a blitz and I don’t move, then they’ll keep me on the defensive. Why? Well, since I’m not moving, they always know where to throw, which means there’s a danger of each strike landing. Footwork and angles are critical. Of course, this is what the wooden dummy teaches. 😊

Also, you asked if switching stances is a Wing Chin thing. We do train to be ambidextrous. In the forms, everything done on the left is done on the right.

Qi lala is a guy who has a decent natural fighting ability who just happened to train in a crappy martial arts like wingchun. Why he wins alot of his fights. Imagine he trained boxing or muathai.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. It’s something I think about too.

difficult to apply wing chun without kicking, still props to him for giving it a shot

Gotta save and favorite that one!

You can tell that boxer is being VERY gentle with him

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Well, he's young and probably new to fighting. You can't smack around new guys and expect them to learn from a concussion.

The emphasis on chain punching or blitzing is usually dependent on lineage or school. For some it's their bread and butter, for others it puts too much intent into a predictable pattern that may be easy to counter, and neglects other aspects such as angling and defense. It has its uses if opportunity is provided, but may be considered by some schools as a more basic level fighting method.

It's interesting to see the reactions of each fighter against an incoming strike. Boxers use footwork and head movement, they aren't taught blocks. The boxer got hit less, and landed more punches. Also looked a lot more relaxed and fluid. Wing Chun uses certain arm and hand positions (bong sau, tan sau etc) to block. No emphasis is placed on head movement or excess body movement in drills in favour of maintaining the centre line advantage. The wing Chun guy got hit more, landed some punches, but had more control in a clinch and has developed skills to manipulate the opponents guard (chi sau). Sometimes I think a mistake in wing Chun is to use the "training" footwork and guard stance in a real match. It leaves little room for adaptation. I think the unity and right application of both of these approaches would lead to some great things.

@Awakenedmind333

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Leather I feel like wing Chun is going to be better used in an actual survival or barefoot type match. Wing Chun can get one very quick. When the situation is serious, that speed can turn aggressive real quick. I like boxing over all but a lot of people forget that these arts are made to defend one’s self and come from that mentality. Having competitive fights and rules can possible neutralize any sort of chance that a martial art has at finding its spot as useful in self defense

The Wing Chun dude should learn boxing or Muay Thai, he has mad heart and would excel. His mentality is A+. Props to him for risking his ego and testing the practicality of his martial art.. This is what this fighting sh*t is all about.

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know, I think Qi La La should stick with wing chun and skip MMA tournaments for kickboxing ones. Qi La La is, so far as I'm aware, the only person who has ever lived that has come close to using traditional wing chun effectively against a trained opponent. He's kind of performing a service for mankind.

Im sorry but boxers are tough mfs i spar with a few boxers and they really can knock you out easy boxings the most underrated and dangerously effective martial arts...i wish we could just spar outside i live in the wrong country

@alantaylor6691

5 жыл бұрын

You're totally right, especially when it comes to no-rules street defense.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Boxing is not underrated. People know how hard it can hit.

@weirdscience8341

5 жыл бұрын

@@alantaylor6691 i think the reason its so effective is because boxers are used to getting hit in training so they know how to A.avoid punches and B. there routines on the pads give them fantastic muscle memory and the way they slip them invisible shots is just fantastic you know what i mean its like jab jab light body punch then out of seemingly nowhere boom a big ol overhand right lol

@weirdscience8341

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune people are learning the hard way by underestimating them then hitting the canvas lol i meant by my comment that due to the rise of mma ect boxings kinda on the back bench but its just so damn effective even against a whole host of martial arts

Qi La La should learn boxing, then his wing chun against boxing would sky rocket.

Mismatch. Boxer got better head movement, foot work, and bigger gloves (bigger hit coverage). Wing Chung guy should've been allowed to use kicks to make it more even.

4:46 It was kind of dangerous; he could've hit his head on the cement bench.

@jsl8461

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, very dangerous. Even though Kai was striking very lightly and using very good control, the fact of the matter is he is much bigger than Qi La La so even his light strikes might cause him to fall. Even though it won't happen most of the time, a head hitting a hard floor can turn a light concussion into something a lot more severe. Outside is simply too dangerous of a place to spar if strikes to the head are allowed, it should always be done on a mat.

@gbormann71

3 жыл бұрын

You can trip over a tile sticking out, fall off a bike or get hit by a car. Life is dangerous.

I could’ve missed it, but did they decide on no kicks for this match? If so, then the Wing Chun guy was at a serious disadvantage. The low kick would easily stop the boxers advance and leave a brief opening. That’s from my own experience anyways. This was a great match though! I want more! :D Edit: I literally posted this a second before you said they agreed on no kicks XD Wing Chun guy would have done way better. Most boxers don’t know how to deal with good low kicks

@theorganicway2go

5 жыл бұрын

And this fact is completely ignored by all the boxing pros in this comment section. Further, WC doesnt just punch, so they probably agreed on no hammer fists, elbows, leveraged attacks etc. That said, wouldve been nice to see the WC guy use the opportunity to test some of his trapping, when he got in the telephone booth. Good game.

@austinsavage

5 жыл бұрын

By the same token, the boxer should be allowed to kick too, no? We dont know if the boxer knew kickboxing or not, but trust me it wouldnt make much difference to the outcome if the playing field is level or expanded for both parties

@austinsavage

5 жыл бұрын

robert moses spoken like a true WC fanboy... you’re talking as if the boxer didnt know how to elbow and kick too lol

@theorganicway2go

5 жыл бұрын

​@@austinsavage A boxer trains years for mobility. Suddenly dumped into a kick/boxing match, where the fighters know how to make someone pay for leaving their legs a certain way, hes in trouble. Two different sports styles.

@austinsavage

5 жыл бұрын

robert moses obviously his opponent was not a pro boxer, but someone who trains a lot. Most modern non-pro boxers cross-train between styles, including muaythai and BJJ. I’m one of them. Boxing is my bread and butter, but dump me in an MMA or kickboxing bout and i’ll be just as adept

Angles!

Good job Wing Chun guy 👌💯 Boxer was solid

Footwork. One guy had it.

The body shots were there all day for the boxer but he never threw them lol but I appreciate that these guys are pretty equal

Yes in wing chun you must learn to use both sides. Good job to Qi La La

QUESTION: Do you feel like the main major mistake that these tradition martial art make is that the don’t move and use triangulation and don’t try to create the momentum of the fight. They see to always allow the opponent to control the dictate the pace which is basic no matter what your style!!!! What do you think!?

@Erix26

4 жыл бұрын

When I was doing wing chun, they thaught me about move and triangulation, this guy is just dont doing it(SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH)

This guy reminds me of a young Bruce Lee weeding out the weak points of his technique with real sparring and controlled fights....... Really happy to see this and proud of him for testing himself

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think Bruce Lee did that. Qi La La has much more experience than BL did.

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

@@AztecUnshaven Oh cool. Please show us the video of them sparring.

When the UFC started, most of us thought we were going to see karate, kung fu, taekwondo, and other traditional striking arts dominating in the stand up. Turns out they all sucked versus basic things like boxing and Muay Thai. And of course, I don’t need to mention submission grappling because that’s a given. But now, you see people landing jump spinning kicks, flying knees, and all sorts of other fancy stuff because they realized they were simply not practicing it realistically before. Now you have people like Stephen Thompson, Lyoto Machida, and so on, who can pull off the traditional stuff effectively. I think that wing Chun is finally coming to grips with reality, and videos like this give me hope that those who practice it might actually start to figure out how to use it somewhat effectively against a resisting opponent. I’m not saying it will ever be dominant, but at least they could get to a point where its practitioners can actually use what they’ve learned to defend themselves with some confidence.

Wing Chun works so well in a clinch, it's disappointing to see that it doesn't get used like that more often.

The main reason is think he switches stances like that is the same as me, I think. Because me doing TMA(kung fu) for a really long time the forms (kata) tends to emphasise right leg foward. So in my sparring(I train with my classmates who do other martial arts after school) I tend to use front leg kicks a lot, and after learning kick boxing I learnt that the orthodox stance has more advantage since I'm right handed, but I already have the bad habit of being in southpaw so much that halfway through sparring I would suddenly switch to southpaw from orthodox. Then I'll pull myself back into orthodox and then somehow end up into southpaw again. I think that's the result of silala trying to modernize wing chun(like how I'm trying to make my useless kung fu work) and be orthodox, if you watch the footage again he would start out orthodox and end up southpaw too.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Being right-lead isn't a disadvantage. Vasyl Lomachenko is a right-lead boxer, and he's often called the pound-for-pound #1 boxer. It's about how you make use of right-lead strategies.

@dramaticreaper

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune I meant like biologically left lead allows for stronger right hands and legs that's all. I know high level fighters can be right handed and still train their left side to be equally as strong to be able to be utilised in right lead stance.

Footwork is important to WC/VT- just as it is in any fighting art. WC/VT begins with stance training in Sil Nim Tao. You begin the study of the relation of your body to the ground and you learn to “ground.” Many people seem to get stuck at the stance believing that it is how one is supposed to stand in a fight. I see yee jee kim ya mah as a training stance myself. During the same period of training you are taught stepping (triangular). The second form (Chum Kiu- “Searching for the Bridge) incorporates more footwork. There is more in third form (Bil Jee). Finally, there is plenty of footwork in the wooden dummy and in the long pole (Quan) and Bot Chom DOA (Butterfly Knives). The change of lead foot in stance is typical and practical when angulating your attacks. For this kind of practice (WC/VT), the body remains square much like a boxer would while the footwork positions one into different angles- again, the purpose is for the availability of tools equidistant to target (two hands and a leg with respect to their points of origin - or, the trunk of one’s body).

I don't really have much in the way of knowledge of Wing Chun, but if I were the Wing Chun stylist, I would parry the jab while pivoting on my foot in order to move the jab out of the way while also getting to a spot where I'm still on my center line, and then the side of the head is vulnerable, and I could take advantage of that. If done the way I'm trying to describe, I wouldn't have much distance to close, and my strikes would have impact. If it were a fight allowing throws/takedowns, I would've followed up the aforementioned strikes with a takedown. (Specifically sweeping my opponent's legs out from under them, using my arms to get my opponent's upper body off-balance at the same time, making the sweep a bit easier for me.) I don't know if that is something done by Wing Chun practitioners, but I've always felt most comfortable when grappling, utilizing takedowns primarily along with joint locks and limb breaks if needed and/or if I can get them, which isn't very often when it comes to a full-on fight because not only am I potentially fighting for my life in that scenario, but it's very true that what you practice the most is what you will do the most when push comes to shove, but that's a whole other conversation lol

Not saying the boxer wasn’t good, but using Boxing gloves gives a clear advantage in terms of reach and how accurate the punch has to be. Also saw no elbows...

@LunaticReason

5 жыл бұрын

I was also thinking the gloves cover much of his centreline so some of the trapping techniques might be harder to pull off. The gloves work pretty much like shields

Wing chun trains both left and right; it comes down to preference but in theory ideally you should be equally adept at both.

I used to train in wing chun and even though we didn't spar I can definitely say that the concepts of "orthodox" and "southpaw" are foreign to wing chun. There's no jabbing, you're always hitting with your back hand, and simply rapidly switching hands(and by rapidly I mean multiple times per second if you're hitting). You can lead with either leg, it doesn't matter. Wing chun has definite weaknesses but I would say this aspect is a strength. Also as others have said, wing chun DOES have footwork and angles, the guy in the video just wasn't really using them for whatever reason. Nor was he trying to trap the hands, which is another strength of wing chun(maybe because of the gloves? who knows).

This is how TMA can make a comeback. They gotta step outside their comfort zones.

Not only wing Chun, martial arts in general. I don’t remember where I picked up switching stances but I eventually learned it and decided to become ambidextrous with both legs. 😂

A jab punch, jab left hook, or right hook, fight done, even if it's lite sparring still land your shots with speed and accuracy

To your question, switching stances is the norm in Wing Chun. A Wing Chun practitioner trains both sides to be equally effective.

Think I saw some comment here on the mandarin - just off hand from what I can recall, WC guy is basically saying things like: phew I escaped that! Great that worked! My combo worked! I didnt train hard enough in the summer.

I feel like the reason the Wing Chun user isn't getting as many hits in as the boxer is because Wing Chun has a heavy influence on speed power. I noticed this when he went for a spinning backfist, great sparring match though thanks!

The Wing Chun wasn't bad. Good chung punches, the blocks were ok. But the problem he had was he allowed the Boxer to control the fight. The Boxer made him follow him everywhere he moved and that was the problem. If he learns how to control the fight, then he would have lead the Boxer to the center of the platform where Wing Chun is most effective. Boxing, is most effective when skipping around, that's why they train in a big ring. But Wing Chun is up close and personal in fact, Wing Chun should start at Chi Sao range. Had the fight taken place in the center of this platform the Wing Chun Fighter would've been more successful. Either way, great video. There are no losses but learning. Great video.

yes it's common because it's not about power set-up some most kung fu have no problems switching stances back and forth and in fact that's the closest thing to kung-fu foot work moving triangles and square switches in and out and you definately have a ancient traditional footwork that doesn't look like boxing footwork at all, not that qi la la is doing THAT amazing footwork right here but it's definitely a thing and is possible for kung fu to have intricate footwork but i say that's ABSOLUTELY ADVANCE level and it's NOT simple to do for any practitioners of intermediate calibur

I like how the people there are on their phones

He’s really gotta be more aggressive with his wing chun I do think it’s important to modify your style a bit to fit different kinds of fights or competitions but you gotta remember what game is basically if your fighting a boxer it’s natural for them to shoot in and out a wing chun practicer should be constant pressure

@theorganicway2go

5 жыл бұрын

YES, agreed. WC is not a dancing, chess game martial art. That guy should have been in there trapping off those huge boxing gloves.

The Wing Chun stance (one hand sticking out and the other close to the person) is suppose to be a display pose for show and or a training tool, not for use in combat. The wing Chun combat stance is actually similar to Western Boxing which is why another name for Wing Chun is Southern Chinese boxing.

About maintaining that stance, it stops getting tiring when youre used to it and your muscles gwt conditioned for it

@des6853

4 жыл бұрын

Plus how many times do we hear, "gotta keep the hands up". That also uses energy.

Hey Jerry remember me ? I'm friend of Kirara , I sent you this video on Facebook, this is one of Kirara earlier videos back in 2016 . Yup we wingchuner change our stance frequently . Please check out ny channel too although my Wingchun sucks 😂

@FightCommentary

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting us know!

Last guy to do this was pretty famous I think he was some guy named I don't know...Bruce Lee?

Yeah, in Wing Chun, it's basically all about centerline. Wing Chun is basically the technicallity of invading the centerline. You rarely see Wing Chun fighters angle, because they fight based all 100% on centerline. They invade opponents centerline. They use structure to force their way to invade the opponents centerline. A lot of forward pressure via structure. That's why you see in Wing Chun you see a lot of triangles, the stance called Kim yeung ma, the knees everything comes from the triangle structure, and then they apply forwards pressure and attempt to invade centerline. I'm going to give my opinion. I do Muay Thai, a load of other martial arts including Wing Chun. I compete in Muay Thai, rarely in other competitions. I think Wing Chun is all technical, very little practical. I think Wing Chun by itself is not useful, but I think it really actually helps your hand work and trapping skills in your base styles. It helped me understand so many things technical and whatnot, I learned angles and a bunch of shit it's super technical but I wouldn't recommend it as your base styles but I say it works well as an enhancer for your hand work. Sorry for bad English.

@netanelohimwarren3629

Жыл бұрын

This is pretty much the accurate take. It also depends on the setting, like suddenly wing chun becomes why more practical in a street fight situation then a compition setting. Like this is why no one uses open hand techniques because there best applied when striking the neck but ofc there are no neck strikes in mma so all ths fighters realised pretty quickly that it isnt practical for a compition setting, same problem with "chain punches" the purpose is basically removed once you have to put gloves on. But all of this changes when your in a situation where there no rules and your not wearing gloves.

Switching stance is a thing Wing Chun is supposed to be symmetrical. Doesn't matter what hand You're supposed to be ready, and good.

The boxe guard: i am a joke to you

I'm not sure if the boxer is going easy? I didn't really see any body shots when it was open, and there weren't a lot of follow ups when he lands a hit. I think if they sparred at another setting, the wing chung guy would learn much more

@elenchus

5 жыл бұрын

they're both going easy. it's just sparring

It’s the art of fighting without fighting

Nice video. But what most people do not understand is that kung fu only is about clinch game. You go in and bind the opponents guard and then you can apply what you want... You can also see this in the video sometimes. Everytime when he does it he can apply his stuff. But everytime when he only enters with punches the boxer knocks him..... The hand position what he uses or most people use like a guard position is no guard position! In kung fu there are no guard positions. Does it mean that you don´t need a guard? No of course not. But forms are only of charging in, binding and applying throws, punches, joint locks. So everytime if someone tells you that something is a guard then its probably not. In the case of wing chun the "guard" is a double trap and if one does not understand this fact it and only use it as a guard you get your head knocked off.

Someone should tell the kung fu guy to Shoot that lead hand as A STIFF VERTICAL JAB !! WORKS SUPER WELL any time opponent (even Boxers)drop lead guard.That puts them on alert and forces them to slip or block ,enabling quick traps or Blast. I have trained and Constantly sparred in BOTH. THEY CAN COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

This is so funny, because the lead vertical jab is the staple punch of wing chun.

@bronzetiger3837

5 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune Exactly how many Urban(B-More and New York ) cities teach it.The rear hand vertical is thrown like the straight or cross in Boxing and is targeting the body as well as the head;immediate short elbow deflects follow up or protects the head.When I score with this opponent's often say"yeah but thats notWing Chun"It is the way I was taught.The PROBLEM with these guys that dude shows on this channel is that most of them are no good!! JKDs Sifu SIGNH, GURU BILLY BROWN,SERGIO OF PRACTICAL COMBAT AND THE HARDCORE DUDES OF NEW YORKS 52 BLOCKS system are excellent,talented Martial Artists who CONSISTENTLY utilize Kung Fu in conjunction with a modernized approach for combat efficacy. HOW ABOUT SHOWING THEM😀😲 instead of these well meaning but not so good artists.😉😉

Yeah switching stances in wing chun is common. You are supposed to train to be as good with both hands so you can turn and react from different directions. Changing stance also keeps you from being too predictable.

1:30 When talking about Boxing techniques. You’d see FLOYD Mayweather do that.