Here's the Fourth Generation Bagua master interview that I mentioned at 8:30 kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4V2ysGLdsWxYco.html If you haven't seen Ma Baoguo's ridiculous fight yet: kzread.info/dash/bejne/anuY06yYp82Ynqg.html Like always, thanks for watching! I'll add more links to stuff I talked about as I think about it. Here's our Qi La La playlist: kzread.info/head/PLtdbPxlsaM_nvgs0NVFFL5_ma47EV4_1O A followup analysis about Sanda: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gHiDzbKHqq6tcso.html Here's our new channel focused on BJJ! kzread.info/dron/QfBeZEQXbiGfgR_BEySSPQ.html

@danielwynn9736

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. What I'm hearing is MMA seems to be the top! It would be nice if you expose fake MMA masters XD There are many foundations

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Fake MMA masters? I think there are a few. I can send you one privately via Instagram ;) Not trying to start anything with that dude. He's roided up like crazy.

@simonsim5802

4 жыл бұрын

The bagua master is Zhao da yuan Founder of Zhao clan qin na seventy something now xu xiaodong has a great chance to blow him away

@anonymousshawn9996

4 жыл бұрын

Yo what was that buzzing you did at the end about? You made me lol with that one haha

@mohamed-cg9pe

4 жыл бұрын

10:11 that relates to the theory that wierd (looks non functional) movement in karate is to hide it from soldier who banned all weapons (kara te = empty hand) when they practice outside so that they can drill it without anyone knowing it.and i'm not sure about this part but Chinese form are linear like White Crane because they practice in the woods and in shops and hoses confined spaces inside other businesses so that they don't attract attention..

To quote Mike Tyson, "hard to remember ancestor's teaching after getting punched in the face."

Takeaway from the video: A lot of martial arts look like kickboxing/the same since there are only so many moves that are effective. It doesn't mean that a martial art necessarily stole moves from another. Makes sense. Like swordfighting having a lot of the same moves. There are only so many ways of attacking a defending against someone in practical ways. Just because a kung fu fighter isn't performing forms like a performance on stage doesn't mean it's not kung fu.

@SuperSoldierIV

4 жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee said this years ago... It doesn't mean he got everything right but he was already on this path. I find it somewhat embarassing that traditional martial artist are only now realizing it.

@joaquindelarosa1215

4 жыл бұрын

I believe people will be surprised at what works as mma evolves.

@juanantonio192

4 жыл бұрын

The good Masters always says that good kung fu isnt pretty in a fight

@marshallhelms6532

4 жыл бұрын

The form and function of the human body will dictate its effective movements, combine that with things like weight displacement and leverage and you'll get alot of whats effective. Makes perfect sense that all practices refined through testing will eventually look the same.

@juanantonio192

4 жыл бұрын

@Stian Johnson yeah i know that, the government banned the traditional forms and tournaments the last century, that why tai chi is what we know right now and not the martial art for war it used to be

It's not an art, it's how you train it. Train techniques and apply it in sparring. Then you will see what works and what isn't.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@arifsalahudin6673

4 жыл бұрын

I only know one martial art... "1000 step"

@mromero5999

4 жыл бұрын

wing chung doesn’t work bro

@rolanrepolido5655

4 жыл бұрын

If you practice a technique that can kill your opponent, who will practice it with you? How to test it to be sure it works?

@johnmaco

3 жыл бұрын

@@rolanrepolido5655 That argument is used by many schools to avoid not applying the techniques in sparring, and that is why their art loses effectiveness in real combat. If a technique attacks the throat, for example, it can be fatal if studied scientifically. You don't need to apply it to a sparring partner to know it. Don't let that stop you from training to improve yourself as a fighter.

This is really interesting to me! I was very taken by the mysticism of TCMA back in the 70's and up until recently (partly from watching your videos) I didn't really know what was BS what what wasn't. Back in the 80's I briefly took classes in Tai Chi from Dr. Yang Jwing Ming (who also taught Kung Fu) and he made it very clear to us that we were not learning self defense. In fact, it was a lot more like learning Yoga with some of the same mysticism (the flow of Chi and meridians). There was a very strong emphasis on the health benefits and I suspect there are some, but I do think the benefits of Tai Chi were exaggerated (though maybe not more than Yoga...). As you describe here about Qi La La, I think Bruce Lee was also endlessly testing and trying things to measure effectiveness. It is kind of surprising how controversial this mind set is. It really would explain a lot if the combat effectiveness of TCMA really was intentionally suppressed at some point during China's history as you discuss in this video. That really is fascinating!

Love how you didn't bother with putting a backdrop or staging a background or even tidied up...subscribed!

@JerryCricketGaming

4 жыл бұрын

It kind of represents the state of Chinese Martial Arts.

@D.Z.A.-kp8lf

4 жыл бұрын

@@JerryCricketGaming yeah a mess 😆😆

@Centaur1991

3 жыл бұрын

Relatable!

@jopalo31675

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like my brothers house. He tells me, he would clean up, but he doesn’t give a fuck.

@d15z1sux

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like he moved house 3 years ago and is still unpacking haha

I wish when Qi La La retires to become a master and professionally train Effective Wing Chun with the discarded techniques that don't work,...actually it's better to call it *Qi La La's Wing Chun* because they are techniques working for HIM.

@jezzaboi2168

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine a martial arts school that teaches qi la la lineage wingchun/xingyi. It would be worth the trip to Taiwan alone

@dosidicusgigas1376

3 жыл бұрын

He's smart, a lot of practitioners of Chinese Martial Arts remain close minded, in the sense that they'll stick to using it alone. To be effective in competitive fighting you need to watch and learn from all styles, because all of them useful things and useless things. So yeah you can use Chinese martial arts to fight, but you'd need to know how to grapple and get around the other fighting styles as well.

@bobmatley6138

3 жыл бұрын

He has a while to go yet, but for sure he is doing what I have been wanting/trying after 7 years of wing Chun and now I train may Thai and mma.

@yanyanzhang5813

3 жыл бұрын

@@dosidicusgigas1376 I don’t know about that “a lot”.

@yanyanzhang5813

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, if that’s what you think he should call his school, sorry to burst your bubble. Chinese people like to give “cool” names even to effective dojos. Like Dragon Claw MMA or something. It’s all about market appeal.

A number of years ago I coached boxing in Taipei, so it's always a treat to see your channel. Watching the Qi La La videos takes me back to cornering fighters at those WAKO and amateur San Da tournaments

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! You still in Taipei?

@matthewpernsteiner2163

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary I'm in Singapore now. I left TW back in 2014, so this is a great nostalgia trip

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewpernsteiner2163 Wow! Cool. I'll visit Singapore some time and film you!

TMA is primarily light exercise, and it accomplishes that excellently. I lived in Shanghai and I see old people doing taichi every day in the park. I think it's great that old people can stay relatively healthy in their retirement. In terms of combat effectiveness, yes of course MMA is better and there's no question about that. But how many retirees do you see stretching and getting exercise with MMA drills in their old age? Both MMA and TMA each serve their own purpose, and they're both very good at what they do.

@fazares

11 ай бұрын

no question that mma is better..in the ring ofc....

@allstarlord9110

Ай бұрын

@@fazaresIn the streets as well, stop coping

I love your channel. I am a life long practicioner who’s studied various martial arts and have come to a lot of similar conclusions. For those of us who have a passion for martial arts these are essential discussions to have. Martial arts, to remain relevant, must evolve. As much as tradition is important, part of that tradition should be evolution of the art. Times change and the arts that don’t change with it are dooming themselves to ineffectiveness.

@FightCommentary

3 жыл бұрын

Did I invite you into the Discord server, btw?

This is true, my teacher told me once, one must have 2 things to be a complete warrior, the knowledge of routines and also have fights, the two must complement each other, If you are only good at routines but you do not have fights it is useless, and if you have many fights but you do not do routines, you have no history, you cannot say that you make an art if you do not know what you do, that is why both things must be combined, both routines and sparring, there is also some truth and that is that sports competitions have too many rules, you can't hit the eyes and throat and neither the genitals, the traditional martial arts are very limited, not only the Chinese speak of all the traditional arts, and sports combat occupies most of the time only basic techniques, As straight punches, hooks, uppercuts, crossed, and kicks since the most basic ones that are circular, thigh, twist and instep kicks, nothing very complex I suppose that for make the fight more dynamic and not so boring, I agree with the man who said, that MMA fighters come to do traditional martial arts, and that the traditional arts sparring, everything must have its balance.

This video is awesome. Also, I've been teaching Wing Chun for 15 years and Qi La la looks 100% Wing Chun to me. Love it!

@phamhuyphu7517

4 жыл бұрын

Wing Chun Practioners nowadays don't know what Wing Chun's key Techniques are. Wing Chun main target is to attack Opponent's Crotch and Eyes.

@johnbravo1034

4 жыл бұрын

I know a wing chun instructor that has used his style in real fights (not in the ring). He has definitely modified it for a more combative scenario and teaches it that way. As always, it is the ARTIST that makes the art useful.

@del1000005

4 жыл бұрын

@@phamhuyphu7517 Therein lies the problem. Wing Chun hasn't modernized. It simply doesn't work against modern MMA. Also, this whole "I'll bunch your nuts and gauge your eyes" forgets something: you touch my nuts or eyes, and I'll do the same from a dominant position. We need to stop this whole "it's deadly in the streets, but I can't practice it" BS.

@phamhuyphu7517

4 жыл бұрын

@@del1000005 but it's true. Wing Chun originally focus on kicking the Opponent in the Crotch, Knee and hitting the Opponent in the Eyes and Larynx. It was a Survival Skill in it's Origin, not a Sport.

@user-nv3bl2kw7l

4 жыл бұрын

Qi lala use style similar kickboxing and Jeet Kune Do not real traditional chinese martial arts

You know now that I think of it... It's a really weird feeling when I learned the most about how to apply Wing Chun while training Sanda. I didn't learn shit while fully training Wing Chun, but after training Sanda for a couple months... I suddenly just got how a fucking Bongsau worked.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Someone that spars will grow so much from one spar session than six months of just practicing in the air.

@foursix32

4 жыл бұрын

Same lol. I did Wing Chun as a kid and as I got older I thought it was pure BS. Picked up Muay Thai much later, and during a clinching/hand-fighting spar I finally understood how to apply Chisau. Halfway through I realised how weak my partner's framing was, and how his lack of "forward pressure" (as my Shifu would constantly talk about) left him open for me to just walk in and intitiate a hold. I'm not amazing at MT by any means, but it's sad to think there are all these useful techniques locked away behind an unwillingness to spar.

@BZY-bu9wr

4 жыл бұрын

​@@foursix32 Yes! This exactly! I didn't get too deep into Wing Chun so it was really the more basic stuff that clicked. But Chisau helped tremendously in clinch-fighting, added a whole new dimension. Instead of positioning for quick throws in the clinch with orthodox hand fighting, I kinda figured how to trap and position for short strikes before throwing. Very cool stuff!

@yip2454

4 жыл бұрын

Same here bruv. I did sanda for 4 years, did no gi for a few months and learnt some wing chun moves from my friend. Bong sau. Pak sau works. But i could never get the tan sau. Imo tan sau will not work against a non telegraphic hook or a tight hook. I would just block like how we usually do or roll under. Huen sau defitnetly work while rolling for sure

@BZY-bu9wr

4 жыл бұрын

@@yip2454 Yep! Paksau and Bongsau are part of my bread and butter now. As for the Tansau, I have the exact same problems. I've heard people say that it shouldn't be used as a block but more as a proactive bridge. Not entirely sure how that works.

The dude at 12:25 was spot on. This is the only reasonable way forward, rather than these guys sporadically getting the shit kicked out of them and winding up the government.

@scheisstag

4 жыл бұрын

I dont agree: I have spent most of my time in western competition orientated sports programs like boxing or being a trainer for semi professional wrestlers at the verge of becoming international full professional wrestlers. I spent some month in china. Went to Shaolin. It didnt took me six month to realize that Kung Fu styles are not worthless, but inferior to the western systems. In the west it is about what works and makes you successful in competition. In the east its what tradition and the authority of a master tells you.

@ThunderChunky101

4 жыл бұрын

@@scheisstag yeah... Right...

@spanishh2001

4 жыл бұрын

@@scheisstag that"s sounds about right.....in china, that below average MMA guy is making all these master's look really bad....and he's not even that good of a fighter (said by himself).....we could probably send a group of western MMA guy's (with maybe 1 yr of training) and am thinking they would mop the floor with most of these masters.....

@HonkeyKong54

5 ай бұрын

​@@spanishh20011000% there's 17-18 year olds at the gym I go to that would really hurt these dudes and have so much more agression.

Bruce Lee was criticized for his Jeet Kune Do , which had it's roots in Wing Chun. He incorporated elements from boxing, fencing, and even studied Judo at Seattle dojo when he was living here. He understood the importance of being well rounded and keeping what works and discarding what doesn't. he was constantly evolving his style. When I studied, the school had two instructors who had boxing backgrounds and the head teacher was from a judo background

@nkyfong

Жыл бұрын

Considering the Wing Chun he learned from Ip Man was the most radical style of Wing Chun, Jeet Kun Do is in reality just the next step in evolution for Wing Chun.

Love what you do brother...Well informed, precise and consistent.. Greatly appreciated!

The ancestors be turning in in their graves knowing what had became of the arts they left behind. Was used to protect their ppl,way of life and honor.

@i3rucei3ruce

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@yanyanzhang5813

4 жыл бұрын

Bruce Ludlow very true. The effectiveness of things like modern Shaolin Kungfu should be questioned. I think the history should be questioned as well, like, how did a martial art that was used in war and actually fought alongside armies become this shadow that is used for entertainment on talent shows and tourist attractions.

@thebringer-dreamerdragon-6067

4 жыл бұрын

@@yanyanzhang5813 i believe in one of his videos, the wing chun guy qi lala or someone explain it very well. There was a time in China when the dynasty forbid any practice of martial arts. Ppl still practiced though, but changed it more into a health thing than combat. That way if they get question they just say, im not practicing martial arts, im just exercising. Things n arts got lost over time. Another thing to consider is, there are many great masters out there. Every master seeks a worthy student to pass the art n secret onto. If no student of such comes around, the master rather have the art n secrets die with them than leave it in the hands of someone who would shame n dishonor the master's name n art. When you reach the stage when your hands n feet react by themselves; by the time u noticed, ur limbs already go. This is the secret behind Bruce's "don't think, feel". Many, if not all the ppl on videos are thinking too much. They stop and thinking "what to do, what the oppo gonna do, what should i do?" A river flows, never stopping to think which way it should go or turn next, cuz there's no time. The water just keeps going, bending at every obstacle. That is another secrect to Bruce's "be like water". There's no time to think in a fight, fist n kicks become a blur. Great example of limbs moving by themselves before u realize is Michael jai white's interview where he tells story of him accidently punching a guy for checking his watch in subway station.

@yanyanzhang5813

4 жыл бұрын

[Mr.][Asian][Guy] [Plays][Video][Games] that was during the Qing Dynasty, where martial arts was basically outlawed. However if I do remember correctly, the Shaolin temple is not under direct jurisdiction of the Emperor. I may have remembered wrong though. China has always been different from European cultures since Europeans have this God before Royalty idea such as the Pope having more power than Monarchs while it is the opposite in China since Emperors will always have more power than a monk. So I could’ve remembered wrong when I said that Shaolin was not under the Emperor, but for now, I stand by what I said. Also combat sports was banned for a few years around the time post WWII and the unison of China under Mao.

@play-toe2053

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanyanzhang5813 Shaolin Martial Arts doesn't actually exist - There is not a SYSTEM of Shaolin exclusive martial arts, Martial Arts MASTERS come from everywhere to practise in the Shaolin temple. Some martial arts arose from PURE BS and delusionality like Crane Style

Love your content bro cause this is so true. I came up boxing and fighting irl so had to learn new shit mainly kicking after getting beat sometimes and realized what works and what doesn't via applying that. there are so many schools out there that have idiots with fake ranks that have never been tested. the best fight technique people fail to mention is knowing when to hit the Escape button.

@FightCommentary

3 жыл бұрын

Escape button is so important. Man, I’ve gotten out of so many situations because I bailed. Man. I could tell you stories.

I just LOVE all of your TMA/TCMA content!

Bravo for Taiwan people who love freedom!

@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96

4 жыл бұрын

"Freeeeeeeeeedooooooooommmm!" *head gets chopped off*

@ryanliu6694

4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! From Taiwan myself

@allopez8563

4 жыл бұрын

@@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96 Yes freedom is not free and there will always be psychos who want to control others.

@crzer07

4 жыл бұрын

Taiwan, the real China

@FortunePathVenerable

4 жыл бұрын

Freedom a scream to justify doing some bullshit . People who are truly free don’t need to request it.

The ending made me laugh so much :) Thanks for your translation Fantastic channel always learn ALOT :)

Just subscribed to Qi La La’s channel! I agree on your points regarding what makes something a *martial* art & which views to take when looking at old concepts. If something isn’t working, its time to move on!

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely give him all your support. He's almost at 1000 subscribers!

@uandubh5087

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary He's great, he even sings in some of his videos! :)

Yeah this video gots a lot of logic love you videos man

I studied Wing Tsun for 10 years. After 2 -3 years I found out for myself, your Sifu teach you a Concept. You have to find out how it works best for you. It depends on your Physical strenght, your Body, your Speed, so much details to look for. Most Ppl never understand this and just try to copy Techniques shown by the Sifu. Also you need Combat experience in Sparing and real Fights. I lived 8 Years in Thailand and I went into a few ugly Situations, my Wing Tsun never let me down. Just my 2 Pence

@jasonmillsom2981

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I thought, I never thought just practicing wing chun makes you a beast at fighting, it's a concept you can apply but you need to test it in order to improve it and your own skill, it makes me sad that wing chun is becoming kind of a joke due to these so called masters

Interesting video thank you :). When you were talking about someone who'd learnt everything but is still untested it reminded of that great expression: No plan survives contact with the enemy

'All martial arts look the same because we all have two arms and two legs,' is what my teacher would say. The main difference was the base philosiphy

@boxingjacks

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that is a Bruce Lee quote

@MrHFam-st4ni

3 жыл бұрын

@@boxingjacks I've heard a lot of people say that at this point

For a second i thought that's my room 🤣🤣

@martialartslifelonglearner6461

4 жыл бұрын

My room's dirtier.

I'm glad I chance upon your video when i did (after I watched videos that debunk TCMA and reading comments and watching videos that defend it as well). You've brought a middle ground to the arguement, as well as showcasing people that actually have a mature mindset from the TCMA side that accepts the limitations of TCMA, respecting the combat effectiveness from MMA practices. On the other hand, also trying to evolve their combat style while preserving tradition. I agree that as long as there is this group of TCMA practitioners that are realistic in their approach of evolving their combat style and willing to put it to the test, we can reach an appreciation of TCMA for its own values of discipline and effectiveness while casting out the mysticism to reach a more wholesome view of the subject

love this channel also the engagement with the comments is great

Agree with Qi La La. In my experience: I've been practicing Taiji Quan and Xingyi Quan for a year and a half now, but I entered into two gyms to train MMA. I'll be clear, to get your sparring done, and done well is a life saving activity. After that experience I talked with my wushu teacher, and he told me there is a an aspect about getting the most out of wushu it's to: read the theory, practice the forms and getting your sparring done. That means that in order to learn how to use each tool in TMA, you should get your hands into the action or you'll never become a competent fighter.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, certain things are like that. I learned better head movement after getting jabbed in the face a few times. Getting hit (safely) is a necessary part of training MARTIAL arts. Too many arts forget about the martial part. That's why BJJ is so effective. You're constantly testing techniques on other people and yourself.

MMA literally dismissed the fantasy of most martial arts.

@PirateTubeTV

4 жыл бұрын

MMA is basically a combination of White Western boxing and wrestling with a little Brazilian jiu jitsu thrown in. I know some will say I'm wrong but the majority of western MMA fighters use these styles because they work in real combat. Here is a old Western video of a Boxer vs Karate master kzread.info/dash/bejne/i5WfupRwgqu6gqw.html

@sardalamit

4 жыл бұрын

@@PirateTubeTV that link is gold! That was a pure style Vs style fight!

@sardalamit

4 жыл бұрын

@@PirateTubeTV about that MMA thing...would never take away from Boxing, but seems that BJJ seems to be the common base to all these MMA guys. For eg..for punching- some train Boxing, some American Kickboxing, some Muay Thai. For takedowns, some guys Wrestle, some do Judo.. But for the ground they all BJJ. Either train in it or train to defend against it.

@Marcusjnmc

3 жыл бұрын

that was the mindset, a few are incorparating useful parts of broader disciplines more recently, taking what works and discarding the rest, instead of ignoring the whole out of hand & never really looking to see if any value's there

Excellent video, your best to date in my view.

Great video man. Very thought provoking.

Dude. Clean your room ;)

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

My roommate saw this and cleaned his room. Glad we inspired him ;)

@chbjj

3 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary I think it's your room, Jerryl

If you are learning Kung Fu there is definitely hidden knowledge. and there should be. There are certain things that just need to wait until the skill level is high enough. Adding Mysticism just makes it fun, and a lot of people are learning KF for that reason... its escapism, it keeps their interest and members will stay around longer. Sparing can be confronting and uncomfortable and a deterrent. But you're right, its about balance and relevance. a progressive school that always bring their traditional learning into practical applications is a good school, but Im guessing most cant do that. The Sifus at my school are all hardened from the days of full contact fighting. My SiGung was the Australian full contact champion and that experience flavours everything we learn.

@spanishh2001

4 жыл бұрын

if its called a martial arts, then someone spending years of their life/money should be able to effectively defend themselves ......Sparing can be confronting and uncomfortable and a deterrent....interesting statement .....so can someone punching you in the face with bad intentions......at least sparring is done in a controlled setting, where students will learn what it feels like to be in a uncomfortable situations......this mentality is what is killing off traditional martial arts.....especially wing chun....where most teaches don't spar because the techniques are too dangerous .......right......

@wayneartist

4 жыл бұрын

spanishh2001 martial arts is for anyone, if you want to learn to fight you can. If you just like the way it looks and feels you can do that too. Horses for courses. Horses can be confronting too.

@spanishh2001

4 жыл бұрын

@M T you are correct...you can take any martial art you like ....even if its known not be effective at keeping you alive in a real fight ...not a problem....just don't call it self defense....call a form of dance.... meditation etc.... because if getting punched in the face, is too uncomfortable for many ...which is understandable....don't try to sell it to people as a form of self defense because ....rename it for what it is Bushido....I know alot of people don't like for wing Chun to be called out for being a joke ....which it is, to me anyway...don't try and sell it as a form of self defense...it will get you killed in a real situation ...with someone who isn't your friend or paid to take a dive .....and please do t mention to me all these secrets contained within most traditional arts which take 30 yrs of practice to be discovered .....then to get your jaw or leg broken by some kid with 6 months of MMA ....I've seen this happen more then once ....am mainly talking about wing Chun and Kung Fu arts....yes I have seen some very good karate and Korean fighters ...but for some reason I've yet to see any good Chinese fighters ...without the usual can't use the technique because it's too dangerous and that finger strike will paralyze me and lead to sudden death .....😁😁😁

Fantastic content! Subscribed.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

great video, great content.!.

Damn i really learned a lot from this video. Thank you

@martialartslifelonglearner6461

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is one of my favorite videos on this channel.

I can't believe in something I'm not allowed to question. Asking is the purifier of our thoughts and it helps us stay on the ground. Throughout history, man is prone to delusion and I'm not just referring to religion but more things than that like gender. The moment people stop asking questions, that's the end of our freedom.

Love this channel

Great vid!

Thailand is ahead. since 1970's Thai fighters have always known Kungfu was just entertainment. Our golden era fighters have fought against every style.

@bunny_rabbit5753

4 жыл бұрын

@Audio 9999 and that is the reason, here u r talking about an artist not a fighter.

I'm glad SOMEBODY finally made a video essay on this. You've earned a 31-year practitioner of Kung-Fu as a new subscriber. 12:00 I agree 100% with this man. If Kung-Fu had no combative value, then Anderson Silva and other MMA fighters wouldn't bother training in Wing-Chub style & add it to their arsenal

I love yozr channel! Showing more underground fights, shiwing the truth, shoing people who really want to mame their traditionnel art effective.

I visited most of the Wing Chun schools in Hong Kong about 10 years ago. There is a huge variation in style of teaching. Some is absolutely deluded bullshido. Some masters teach the 'soft force' and how it overcomes hard energy. I could have filmed all the woo woo masters and ridiculed Wing Chun, dismissed the whole style. But I also met some masters that were absolutely authentic, hard as nails and with lots of real fighting experience. Just one example - Wan Kam Leung (student of Wong Shun Leung) who has terrible scars on his arms (from knife fighting) to prove it. The bit everyone misses with Wing Chun is hardness. The style simply won't work without hand conditioning. Anyone who misses this out will find it ineffective. The whole style is based around it and yes wearing gloves takes this advantage away. Power is sacrificed for speed, hardness causes the pain and damage. Wan Kam Leung wasn't muscle bound he is all conditioned sinew and bone and has hands and arms of iron. He hits hard and heavy without effort and he was much older than me. Look him up. Watch his videos. But you won't get it until you feel his hands on you. He'd be your worst nightmare in a real fight.

You know what's very effective?, parkour, no fighting just getting away from the situation and be done with it..

@tranquil_dude

4 жыл бұрын

Actually that's what kung fu was for as well. It was not just a set of fighting skills, it was also survival skills. Kung fu practitioners didn't just train to fight, they trained to transform the way their minds and bodies dealt with various situations, including the exact situations in which you'd apply parkour skills today. Unfortunately, this versatility gets lost in translation, and people nowadays expect kung fu to be either all about fighting or, if if can't be that,"it must be useless", which is honestly ridiculous when you think deeply about it.

@Zoza15

3 жыл бұрын

@@tranquil_dude But the thing is, most people including me didn't learn parkour trough Kung Fu, Parkour itself is a *non combative martial arts* practice. (Even though i´m not here discrediting your argument). Parkour was primarily more a practice for freedom of movement and body exercise based on natural elements instead of the gym.. I don´t do parkour anymore but the feel and excitement is definitely something i miss.

@tranquil_dude

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zoza15 gong fu (功夫) didn't exactly mean combative martial arts either. It means a fine skill acquired through hard work, usually with transformative effects on mind and body. That means in China, it's perfectly acceptable to say, "You have impressive Parkour gong fu !". On the other hand, gong fu has also been used so often as an euphemism for practices involving combative martial arts (both within and outside China) that there is confusion about what the purpose of doing gong fu is, especially for people outside China. The Chinese term that can be most accurately translated as "martial art" is Wu Yi (武艺), which literally means "martial art". And it has slightly different connotations than gong fu. Whereas having gong fu implies some impressive skill (which can range from wrestling to Parkour), having wu yi implies specifically that you have the skills to fight in battle, subdue a criminal (i.e. as a policeman) or be a bodyguard etc. ( And yes, wu yi can be considered a type of gong fu. ) Unfortunately, as I've mentioned, in the modern world, there's some confusion between "impressive skill" and "martial", especially when it comes to things like traditional martial arts. And even more unfortunately, this has gone beyond just a semantic problem. People *really* aren't clear about what the purpose of a particular (traditionally handed down) skill is. Which in turn means the skill doesn't get practiced properly and in the right context. And that's why, for example, we have all these incidents of "traditional martial arts" supposedly being "proven useless".

@Zoza15

3 жыл бұрын

@@tranquil_dude *gong fu (功夫) didn't exactly mean combative martial arts either. It means a fine skill acquired through hard work, usually with transformative effects on mind and body. That means in China, it's perfectly acceptable to say, "You have impressive Parkour gong fu !* Gong Fu?, ok 👍🏽. Sorry dude, i dont speak Chinese (no offense), as i mentioned is that Parkour is defined as a *Non Combative Martial Arts* By its founders.. The arts and skill to freely move and jump and run wherever you want, with minor injuries hopefully. I did Parkour for many years until i messed up my knee, but i can still run but now i have simply outgrown the desire to practice parkour daily but the skills i have learned over the years is still in me.. *Unfortunately, as I've mentioned, in the modern world, there's some confusion between "impressive skill" and "martial", especially when it comes to things like traditional martial arts. And even more unfortunately, this has gone beyond just a semantic problem. People really aren't clear about what the purpose of a particular (traditionally handed down) skill is. Which in turn means the skill doesn't get practiced properly and in the right context. And that's why, for example, we have all these incidents of "traditional martial arts" supposedly being "proven useless".* The world is busy and full of traffic, most people these days are just trying to get by to make sure they have dinner on the table and a roof over their heads. Things could be different with a new mindset but in the modern day time is money and many people wouldn't care about traditional martial arts and the efforts and the philosophies behind it..

@Zoza15

3 жыл бұрын

@Craig Taylor Running away not an option?, please elaborate..

Bro, You forgot a key aspect. 80% of the attacks and blocks in Wushu are made to end a combat quickly and with a lot of damage. There are hits to the groin area, the knees, elbows,neck, throat,eyes and other soft points. If you want to do a combat sport train sanda/sanshou

@fazares

11 ай бұрын

Pin this guy's ^ post..now!!!!

“Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own.” -Bruce Lee Wisest words when it comes to any form.

Hey Jerry, thanks for posting the link to the original video! It helps me out a lot because I can use it to practice my Chinese. I can't read traditional characters, but I make due anyways! I hope you keep linking the original Chinese in the future!

@samalford8923

4 жыл бұрын

That ref has a thicc taiwanese accent lol

@RobWatt

4 жыл бұрын

@@samalford8923 Do you follow Jerry's Teach Chinese channel

@samalford8923

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobWatt Tbh, I didn't know he had one. Could you link it?

@chbjj

4 жыл бұрын

@@samalford8923 search Jerry Teaches Chinese on KZread

@samalford8923

4 жыл бұрын

@@chbjj lolol this is fantastic. I see the channel is pretty new. Forgive me if I'm assuming to much, but are y'all trying to grow the channel? If so, (and I'll post this on his channel too, because it makes more sense going there), I've got a suggestion to make. The market for basic Chinese and 101 videos is saturated. However, the market for more intermediate-advanced vids is still pretty open. A great Chinese teaching channel that attracts intermediate and advanced audiences is "Mandarin Corner" by Elieen. What Eileen does is goes out and have random conversations with regular Chinese people. She then transcribes the conversation, adding Chinese captions and pinyin (and optional english captions) on the bottom of the screen, with the occasional grammatical explanation. Each video has a different societal topic. For intermediate and advanced learners, this is what we are looking for. However, sometimes I get tired of the topics she posts videos about (like, "what Chinese women look for in men" and "would Chinese ever consider dating a foreigner" aren't really my thing). Jerry could have different Mandarin conversations about different things that people like me (people who are obsessed with martial arts and stuff and watch this channel ie dudes in their 20s) are interested in. For example, following the same format at Mandarin Corner, Jerry could turn his interview with Xu into a fantastic Chinese lesson by breaking down each sentence into little mini grammatical and vocaublarly lessons (kinda like he does here:kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2GurZh_lKezfNo.html). Idk maybe I"m talkign about of place. tbh I didn't look at the channel mega hard before typing this rant. It looks great and I'll def look at.

How many bullshito masters? not enough, we need more laughs.

@martialartslifelonglearner6461

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's one silver lining to all these bullshido masters

@peteryang8991

4 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, some of the so call, BS master, it is lacking sparring. The truth is sparring isn't sufficient either. There is a big difference between warrior training and martial art training. All warrior know martial art, but not all warrior are great martial artist. On the other hand some martial artist are great warrior while others are crappy warrior. Warrior training and martial art training are different, but sometime they overlap. Think of it this way, in math, there are calculation skills and application skills that you are train in. Application is e.g. a question that ask, Jack got 5 dollars and Tina got 2 dollars, how much money they got together? calculation is obvious 2+2 = ? and the student give an answer. Martial art training is like calculation, it is about teaching you a set of fighting skill, warrior training is about teaching you how to apply in actual combat situation. The two got different focus, warrior training focus more on application and how to be effective in real world environment, but less training on fight skills, although such training do exist. Martial art training focus more on fighting skills, but not as much on how to deal with real world environment. In the ancient world, there was no dojo, there were warrior training academy and in those days, martial art skill was very important. But since then, the two start to split. However, martial art training still need some level of warrior training and that is especially in terms of sparring, this is because, most civilian that practice martial art are training for self defense, not for sport, so you need to provide them with a level of warrior training. Warrior training find they still need a set level of martial art training, in fact in term of police brutality in the US, a lot of criticism from former cops claim, the issue is, not sufficient martial art training, leading to cops been scared and when cops are scare they get very trigger happy. US army still consider martial art training to be very important, while British army consider it as none important, however, a lot of soldier still find it important and learn martial art in dojo. In the ancient world, for example with the Samurai, Karate and Judo are both training that Samurai got, but Samurai are warriors, not martial artist. In that instance the Samurai are both great martial artist and warrior, today, people that train focus usually on only one of the two arenas. A lot of martial artist said, they been helping police to train in martial art, to increase their martial art standard, but going out on the field and fight like the cops do, they can't do it, while cops say, they might be able to fight better, but they don't have as much fighting skills.

Excellent video (I am too old but trained under Chuck Norris legacy in the day) and wish MMA was around back then. Back then an athlete trained a bit in fighting and boxing destroyed untrained folks. Though I wish I spent more time at the HG combat courses before I got old.

This was a super cool video :)

Thanks for the video bro I practice wing chun a lot and I got an idea of practicing wing chun with other martial arts like Muay Thai and filipino martial arts 😁

I wonder if it’s kinda like accents in a single language. When speaking, the accents are distinct, when singing the distinct accents become less noticeable. The closer martial arts come to real combat application, the closer they will resemble each other or lose their accents.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Very cool analogy!

Thank you for saying how Chinese folks are starting to react to some of these fake "Masters" because I have been curious about that too. Living in Dongguan I don't really see too many people using different Kung Fu styles except for mostly Taiichi in the park (and those are mostly older folks) as Taekwondo is more popular here, but it is good to hear that more people are seeing the flaws. I hope that in seeing them they can be willing to adjust and learn how "traditional" Martial Arts can change and grow.

@FightCommentary

3 жыл бұрын

How is Dongguan?

@Speculativedude

3 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary Not bad honestly. We are considered to be in a low risk area, so school is pretty much back to normal, however there are still no interschool sports competitions planned for this year just in case. And still when taking the taxi, subway, or DD you still are required to used a mask. Other than that things are pretty good. How are things were you are?

This is VERY INFORMATIVE 👍👍. A COMMON SENSE APPROACH AND SPARRING is definitely the way to go.

This is a great video. I train Sanda and MMA, but I'd love to learn also the taolu (katas) part of the wushu :)

If only Bruce Lee didnt die so young and share his ideas. And help everyone.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@chunkz3163

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary I don't think he's agreeing with you. Well I'm not anyway

@ginshin8246

3 жыл бұрын

@@chunkz3163 care to explain, nothing personal. Just want to hear your opinion.

@7:20....the Wing Chun master forgot that they had two weapons. The single-headed long pole (descended from spear) and the twin butterfly swords. Two popular weapons among the Cantonese militia. It was for war. But even the people practicing these arts today forget this. They treat weaponry as “training tools” for strength training smh

@goldenrootsnet

4 жыл бұрын

Having trained both Wing Chun and Koryu, I doubt Wing Chun was used in war. It feels more like a civilian style. First of all, if it was for war, the weapon techniques would be thought first, unarmed combat would be last. Second the techniques would be focussed on weaknesses in armor. I also doubt Wing Chun long pole was derived from the spear. At least, it did not retain any spear specific elements. It lacks the corkscrew motion and shortening and lengthening of the spear. It is a very typical long pole style. Finally, the double knives in Wing Chun are more chopping instruments, while all historical southern double knives, which were used by militia are very much designed for stabbing.

@Quantum3691

4 жыл бұрын

Based on current times, not very many if any would be carrying around long poles and butterfly knives for self defense these days.

@rayray6490

4 жыл бұрын

Dimitron ....the simplicity of the system being suitable for mass training, along with the prominent thrusting techniques, in addition the pole being traditionally long + tapered in my opinion lends credibility that it is related if not came from spear technique. (Honestly I try to practice it shortened to mid-grip too sometimes for closer fighting but that’s just me...it’s certainly possible with the techniques). It’s also entirely possible that the weapons and unarmed techniques developed separately and then brought together at some point. We have to understand the alot of the styles that survived to this day, the unarmed portion at least were very much a “modern” development. Back then in real battle (not fistfights) between villages, weaponry was used, not barefists. As times progressed and society “modernized”, the focus moved to unarmed fighting instead of weaponry. The weaponry portion of any of the kung fu styles, flowery or diluted they may be (depending on the school or style) were likely older and were for battle at some point in the past.

@rayray6490

4 жыл бұрын

Dimitron ...it’s well-recorded that gentry (yes civilian) have led and trained local militia for self-defense, in support of the state, fight bandits, or attack other villages, etc. This is still warfare, no? By Qing period which WC and many other surviving Chinese styles are formulated during, armor has become very rare. From what I understand a stab and a chop is enough from a simple spear or sabre. Specialized armor-breaking weapons like maces, iron whips, halberds, are long out of fashion with the armor. No doubt the antique double knives are longer back then, and there seems to some serious debate whether the flipping of knives for reverse grip is considered “orthodox”. Regardless of what weapon and the techniques with it, is it not thought of for killing or maiming (whether war or self-defense)? It can’t be possible that all the various masters in the past thought “let’s bring in a bunch of weaponry and make up a bunch of movements to strength-train or sell our arts in the marketplace?”

@rayray6490

4 жыл бұрын

Dimitron ...but I do agree with you WC is very much a “civilian” style. But judging how turbulent that era was in the Pearl River Delta (Opium Wars, Red Turban Revolt, Punti-Hakka wars, the rampant banditry and piracy, etc) I wouldn’t be surprised that the progenitors/practitioners of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, Bak Mei, etc have seen at least some action up to the Republican era.

Man your channel is very entertaining and I'm glad that there is some criticism and not just religiously believing in just one style and don't use anything, just like I was thought in wing chun class, but I was always critical about that. I want to share my opinion about this too. We all have to understand that Martial Arts like everything else in the world evolves, some people still live in the past. I mean yeah maybe in the past wing chun could work against some styles because long time ago there were barely some practitioners who mixed some other style in their basic fighting style and that's why one simple wing chun had some success, maybe not all the time but, lets say it had some success. Now days there is a MMA thanks to bruce lee and joe lewis who broke that fighting style religion of not mixing other styles, that's why MMA this days is the best type of fighting style, because you have punching, kicking, grappling and everything mixed and now that is modern type of fighthing style, also you have lots of guys who weight lift and can get bigger and stronger, just like Xu Xiaodong is. I know that wing chun is still old type of style now days, not because of the same practice method, but because most of wing chun practitioners don't do sparring and also its very important like the sparring is the endurance type of training that is must now days. I think you can see the lack of endurance in Qi La La, idk if you have noticed, that when he fight the first round he is more explosive and energetic to win, but when the second round comes he is so exhausted and that's why I think he lost the most of those fights he had.

Best end of video ever! No one can be ready for this!

you should show the video where Jet Li comes to America to the kung fu school.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

The Movie called The Master, right?

Dude those bs martial arts in the background are hilarious 😂

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yep ;) You can find them here: kzread.info/head/PLtdbPxlsaM_mrpN75fQtCa3lUO5DM4Py5

>"if you go to business school, how would you know about business if you don't do business" Great analogy, people think that if you study business you will be a good businessman and the funny thing is that most successful business people didn't even touch an university. Practice and theory must go together, but in the end, between a pure theorist vs a pure pragmatist, the pragmatist will win.

what about xin hui choyleefut anssestral school ?? curiously I have never seen you talk about them. Do you think it is an ineffective system to ?

I been missing a lot of Amazon packages. Now I know where it went.

@FightCommentaryGrappling

4 жыл бұрын

Search up Nature's Wild Berry. You'll see what those packages are about ;)

@glenvillanueva6950

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentaryGrappling Nah... You won't have any use of my packages... Mostly Trojan Large Condom.... So... good luck making water balloon...

I was very impressed with ma baoguo tai chi style.. there came a lot of lightnings ...hahahah

@arifsalahudin6673

4 жыл бұрын

Bagus buat bayarin bil letrik :v

Dude just found your channel like now and I totally agree with you. Many martial arts came from how human imitate certain animal to defend themselves, but as time goes on, they met another style and tried each other on and the style will be revised again and again by each generation. Unfortunately, some master of certain martial arts sadly sunk in arrogance to keep their style "original" then after couples of generations they even forgot to spar against each other while still overshadowed by the tale of their great great great grandmaster. People mistook traditional martial arts as fake martial arts. Well, maybe the "quality" is already deteriorated, but the martial art itself is real. . I learnt tae kwon do (a year) and silat (5yrs). For silat, the same as my previous paragraph, the practitioner travelled to many places and sometimes spar then the technique is being developed. Now, we can see that many silat covers the pretty same movement, this shows either that silat was born from the same root or they develop together and exchange their technique. . Sadly, as for silat, I see many "fake" are style still going. I'm not telling their style name, but I can say their style covers lots of weird step who shows your back towards the enemy.

I love this channel.

Oh my god that’s so funny (at 5:00) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

We featured that in one of our bullshido video analyses 🤣

@i3rucei3ruce

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary so sad because that dude could probably invent a seriously cool hiphop dance

@chbjj

3 жыл бұрын

@@i3rucei3ruce a lot of martial artists could totally be great dancers.

Nice throat singing! No, great analysis though. I’ve been in both setting of sparring and non-sparrring traditional martial arts and left some communities because of their opinions and lack of respect for each other. Could not agree more. Southern Chinese styles’ practitioners have often said to me they think the northern styles are too flowery and not “effective” but they don’t spar in their school. I say to myself “ at least wushu guys know they’re dancing.”

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and the Northern styles always criticize Southern styles for not being pretty ;)

This was great. Thanks Gerry

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

*Jerry

@Domzdream

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry. (Correction) This was great. Thanks Jerry. I like what you said - that if your fighting style should be effective. Otherwise it’s just a dance. So true. I rarely see king fun or wing chun bro by super effective in combat. I find that the simpler the style is, the better and more effective it is. Though, you have to admit, it looks great on TV.

There's a secret art called gun-fu. To use the full power, you have to go to its "power center" called "gun shop" and pay some money. You also have to routinely train in "shooting range". A single hit from its technique can render your opponent incapacitated. However, it is not worth spending that much money on this art because (1) it's too dangerous to use in the ring and (2) MMA rules makes it impossible to unleash its full power in the ring.

Cool tree on the wall!

Basically: Never mystify Martial Arts. Use what is effective (Same logic as MMA). And there is a possibility that both MMA and TMA can learn from each other. (IMO I think TMA can learn more from MMA ). I saved you like 16 minutes of your life.

I’ve been doing Gung Fu for many years. I’ve had many opportunities to fight a variety of styles (karate, kempo, TKD, MT, bjj, etc) I was appreciative because I found that my experiences in class were limited. As I fought various styles I tried my best to implement techniques and I would analyze the fights to see if I had an issue with timing, speed, concepts, or BS techniques. What wound up happening is that I found timing to be too difficult for complex techniques. So I simplified. But the concepts remained relatively in tact. Simplification and maintaining certain concepts seemed to do well for me. But it wasn’t until my son started wrestling and doing judo that I saw how other techniques applied. I understand controlling space and position, leverage and physics. But I also feel subtle movements with my son because of many years of sticky hands. So I do sticky hands with him as we explore the things I know and it might benefit him. Constant sparring, analyzing, and truthfulness.

Hey man, can you post the youtube link to the original show? ED: oops, I'm so stupid, it's in your text already. thanks!

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Make sure to follow Qi La La too!

To be fair, if we are ever attacked by aliens flailing spaghetti arms, the traditional techniques could come in handy.

Very interesting video, Jerry. Thank you. If you do not write, you cannot claim to be a writer, no matter how many pens you own. If you do not paint, you cannot claim to be a painter, no matter how many brushes you own. If you do not fight, you cannot claim to be a fighter, no matter how many forms you know. TCMA came down from people who had to use them to fight for their lives, so the *arts* work but what we have is generations of *people* who do not know how to *make them work*. Just as we no longer know how to make Greek Fire. So, in many schools, the fighting art is dead. How did this come about? Speaking for the lineage of Wǔzǔquán (五祖拳) that I come from, the master who founded our branch (Chee Kim Thong) fought and killed Japanese soldiers hand-to-hand. But he was the last of our lineage who needed to use his art as a killing art. He killed so many people that he was sick of fighting and often said (at least the few times that I met him), that fighting was not as important as health. I agree with Jerry that if you practise your art only for health, it is no longer a Quán (拳). Of course, Master Chee was in his 70s when I heard him say that health was more important. I have noticed this change in elderly TCMA teachers (including myself). Their focus changes from teaching about fighting to teaching about health as their own mortality looms. I have also seen teachers change their focus from teaching about fighting to preserving the body of knowledge. So, their students end up spending most of their time practising 30, 40, 50 or more forms (which was fine if you were a monk with nothing else to do in the 17th Century) and less time *pressure-testing*. One of my bugbears in TCMA is using 2,500-year-old language to describe phenomena that can be clearly explained using modern terms, e.g.: "Sinking your Qì (氣)"; "Directing your Jìn (勁)". This, combined with an absence of pressure-testing, creates an unnecessary aura of mysticism which attracts those who want to defraud the naïve, as well as the naïve themselves, and deters practical-minded people who could benefit from some excellent arts. There are too many so-called "Masters" who wear silk brocade and speak in serene tones about "energy", and too many people who desperately need everything to be made of rainbows. I feel some who practise MMA have decided for themselves that it is the standard against which *all* fighting should be measured; if your art doesn't work in the MMA cage, then it doesn't work. But put a sword in the hand of an MMA champion and put him up against someone who has been doing HEMA for a year and he'll be soundly beaten. HEMA fighting is no less "real" than MMA fighting, in my opinion. They are both one-on-one contests in artificial circumstances: a perfectly flat and relatively soft surface, a constrained area, a referee, rules. This "artificiality" gives many TCMA people the (lame) excuse that their art is for "real" fighting, not combat sports. But then they don't do "real" fighting either, unlike their predecessors. How could they? The "real" circumstances under which TCMA flourished no longer exist, thankfully. They often say: "My art is for self-defence only". But you cannot test self-defence unless you live in a part of town where you are *constantly* being attacked in the street. And if you cannot test it, how can you teach it? One of the best lessons I ever learned was when I was 20. In fact, it was two lessons. I was not yet a black sash in an Americanised form of CMA and I entered a Kyokushinkai full-contact competition. I came up against a Kyokushinkai green-belt. I immediately whacked him with three uppercuts to the ribs in quick succession. Zero effect. Lesson One: you don't know whether your stuff works or not until you try it out. I was shocked and didn't know what to do. He took advantage and roundhouse kicked me in the neck. I staggered back. He then hit me with an uppercut that cracked a rib and front-kicked me off the mat. I was unconscious before I hit the floor. Lesson Two: what it feels like to get hit hard. The fight lasted about 30 seconds. I say "fight", but it was quite one-sided. I would say almost no TCMA practitioners today have ever learned those two *invaluable* lessons. As an aside, I switched to a TCMA school under a Chinese instructor not long after that fight and, within six months, my uppercuts were knocking the wind out of people who held the heavy-bag for me. I will turn 59 soon and, like many ageing TCMA practitioners before me, have little interest in fighting now. But if I were to start teaching classes again, I would pressure-test my students from Day 1. I wouldn't have them do MMA competition - but I wouldn't prevent them either - because A) I do not have the experience of that world to be able to coach them and B) I do not *want* to coach people for the constraints of combat sports. But I would insist that they spar and encourage them to spar people from as many fighting styles as they can. I have a couple of related videos on my channel. I won't provide links here but if anyone is interested, they are called "What is Mastery?" and "If you practise traditional Chinese martial arts, you're probably not a fighter." Kind regards. Declan Chellar

Great video. It’s so true that every martial art has forms or katas that very from discipline to discipline. But when it come down to fighting theirs only so much that you can do that will be effective in attacking and defending and almost all of it looks the same. I studied karate and tae kwon do at different points in my life and I know quite a few katas or forms from both disciplines but those are good for learning movement but in a fight you wouldn’t see me trying to bust out a routine like those, you would think I’m crazy because it would be a lot of wasted movements and I’d be handed my own ass. Fighting is fighting, punching is punching, and kicking is kicking and they can be controlled and used wisely. Again, thanks for the cool video, I enjoyed it. Take care and stay safe, peace.

@martialartslifelonglearner6461

4 жыл бұрын

Totally

@6:45: I've been saying this for years. Thanks bro. I personally think they're all congruent, if not alike in movement. Just have different names. I'm over 20yrs in Kenpo and I realized this late '90's as I was going over "BJJ" basics. Good vid. I totally agree!

哥们儿 房间有点乱啊！

@chbjj

3 жыл бұрын

What are you saying? I can't understand.

@sitaoxie6475

3 жыл бұрын

@@chbjj I was joking that he lives in a messy room.

@chbjj

3 жыл бұрын

@@sitaoxie6475 hahah I gotcha!!

I went 4 times to China to train taichi and kungfu. Been training Chinese martial arts for 15 years, mainly taichi in fact. Tremendous benefits to all facets of my health. Never thought it taught my to fight though, it really didn't. I figured defending myself against stress and stuff that attacks your system everyday was a better way to spend my time. Couple years back I started bjj and a mix of muai thai and kick boxing. I know with solid basics, at 6'4 220lbs lean I can defend myself against most people, not looking to become a champ. Lots of people who practise Chinese martial arts think they're badass even though they actually have no clue what fighting really feels like. Also, god damn man clean your room lmao

Great clip Jerry - thanks dude. Check out Byron Jacob's interview with Zhang Weili - she seems genuinely interested in traditional martial arts and they can help her in MMA (and vice versa I'm sure).

@FightCommentary

3 жыл бұрын

Dude, I totally forgot to follow up on this. THanks for the link!

This was by far your best comments. Normally for the most part I like the videos but this like your comments.

All I can say Bruce Lee already did this in his life time.

there's a reason it's called "MODERN" marital art, whatever fantasy it was in the past, things are generally improving

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@juanantonio192

4 жыл бұрын

It's funny cause the modern wushu is what makes kung fu shit, traditional was practiced just like muay boran

@LeonYuL

4 жыл бұрын

@@juanantonio192 I don't think there is any form of modern Wushu, even Sanda is borrowed from Japan

@juanantonio192

4 жыл бұрын

@@LeonYuL sanda is practically kickboxing, is nothing compared to the lei tai were the people used the traditional systems like choy li fut, tai chi, bagua, etc. Now if you practice kung fu they doesn't teach you how to improve the movements and concepts to a fight, they teach you apart sanda

@LeonYuL

4 жыл бұрын

@@juanantonio192 I only see names, nothing system like is shown on the stage, maybe I haven't seen a lot, but I think I saw enough, it's hard to watch tbh

I agree with everything said in this video. If I can add something which may be of interest, and represents my point of view on TCMA: I've been practicing K1-style Kickboxing as my main martial art for 8 years, and then Taekwondo for 2 years and a half. Those two disciplines came at different times for different purposes: from Kickboxing I learned what it meant to spar, to take a punch, and to give one. That, along with basic punches, kicks, knees, and sweeps. Then with Taekwondo, I've refined what I felt lacked in my previous training: kicks and agility. Now I've moved to traditional Kung fu, and what I notice is that once again the focus of the practice is different: Kung Fu, in my experience, is based on movement mechanics - not techniques. What that means is that in a Kung Fu form what matters the most is the body handling which then generates the movements: for example, when you throw a punch, does the force travel cleanly from your foot to the hand which expresses the technique? Are you tense? Are you really transferring your movement from foot to hand (so that the foot generates the punch, not the arm) or are you just coordinating the legs with the body while your shoulder's doing the work? What is your spine doing while you punch? Is it active or is it just a "thing" attached to the shoulders and hips? Small details which are game-changing when you put them together: a punch may look like one "thrown from the arm" but behind it the body's acting in a completely different way which makes the result look the same, but much more stable, stronger, heavier. When practicing a form that's what I focus on, not the single applications. Those come later on, once the body handling skills have become predominant, you put those movements (which are again, movements, not techniques) into actual techniques, so that whatever technique you're using (palm strikes, punches, throws, deflections) are fueled by the mechanics you learned before. Then comes pressure testing, then comes sparring (it must be present!). All those things should have a place and be used in a correct manner, it's like a cooking recipe: you can't obtain the intended result if you don't use each ingredient the way it's meant to be used. So, in my experience, if you use a Kung Fu form just to replicate the movements without handling the body in the way it's meant to be handled, you end up with an "empty dance". Your techniques are just half correct, the shape is correct but what's inside is not what it's meant to be. Once you have an understanding you have to apply it too, otherwise, there is once again just half of the work. The effectiveness of something comes in great part from the way it is used: not just in sparring, also before that phase of the training comes correct use. Again: if you learn forms but move through those forms without using correct body handling, you're replicating a shape. That's why it's better to practice one form in the correct way rather than 10 forms with just the external shell being present. Techniques are contingent and situational, body handling skills are not, they should be the foundation of your movements. I hope this can be of help to someone, this was a great interview to watch! :)

I would love to see you interview Qi La La

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

It'll happen soon.

If I want to practice a martial art in order to be able to defend myself, which one would be the most effective? What should I look for when looking for a gym.

It's really not a Chinese martial arts problem but a problem with what commonly *passes for* Chinese martial arts today. People from my Bagua/Taiji school have won the large majority of their fights in boxing, sanda, and kickboxing tournaments. Just these last couple of years they've brought home maybe 10 golds. Note that these people are pure Chinese martial artists conditioned using Bagua/Taiji methods, primarily zhanzhuang, and employing kungfu techniques in the ring. And yes of course we spar. It's simply not possible that we are the only CMA school with effective training methods - other styles of Chinese martial arts *must* have them too. In fact, I have seen a lot of very good stuff from other legit schools; but what gets eyeballs are the circus acts. Though to be fair the good schools do seem to be outnumbered by the bad ones.

We knew this for years since the UFC 1... The reason to practice traditional martial arts is like practicing yoga and immersing in Chinese culture. You get a nice insight studying the evolution of fighting which I looked from trying Japanese Ju jitsu to judo to doing bjj or look at old boxing/pugilism to modern boxing. You see how the needs change an art significantly but sparring is a great driving force for simplicity and efficiency. You must note in the context of old martial arts they worked during their times which are not our times being much more skilled in hand to hand vs in the old days weapons ruled all (thinking of my knowledge of HEMA). We need to train modern arts for self defence but we shouldn’t hate each other but understand each arts flaws like BJJ sucking at striking etc... Still MMA is prob the best right now though I’m more of a BJJ guy in terms of martial arts as it fits in to modern context the best as we’re not allowed guns and knives in the UK and many countries.

@fazares

11 ай бұрын

mma is the best for ring fighting.....

What I want to know is, how did these "traditional" martial arts, get the name "traditional"? A lot of them aren't even actually that old. None of them are older than wrestling, but no one will call wrestling "traditional".

Yeas ago, I saw some old black and white movies of Tai Ch practitioners sparring. It was very circular and fast! I felt it might be functional when done that way.

Well done, thanks man!

@FightCommentary

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

A lot of good stuff in there, and I can vouch for it. I started with western boxing, and we'd learn a little bit, then get matched up in tournaments with others with a similar number of fights, experience, age group, and weight range, and we'd learn to apply it in the real world context: getting progressively better. In the old days in China, exponents of Xing Yi, for example (because there were extensive numbers of tournaments) would usually kill, or at least maim, their opponents. But that physical, real world application simply isn't there any more with traditional martial arts, so that aspect is dying, if it's not cremated already. Even with karate and their kumite setting, there are an extensive number of rules: no groin or head attacks, for example, which does the same thing. If you want to seriously hurt somebody, and that's the whole point of it all, that is exactly where you hit. So, people train all their lives in some cases, to fight in a certain way, to make all their movements instinctive, and when they're placed into the kumite environment, they can no longer operate on the instinctive level, they have to stop and think. They act hesitantly for that reason and, believe me, if you're up against a halfway decent street fighter, and you have to think instead of operating on the reactive instinctive level, you are beaten before you even start. On top of that, there are other factors that come into play. Many people take up a martial art out of fear, and that's natural enough. It's rapidly becoming a very alienating world. But, because of this aversion to violence, they then neuter everything they work toward by saying they don't want to learn the martial aspect, as they're just doing it for health. If you're going to learn a martial art, learn all of it. Yes, there is definitely a mind/body and even spiritual aspect, but it's also a martial art, so learn that also. If you're going to learn it. learn it comprehensively. Then, practise the movements involved in a systematic way, by way of a practical form of movement. Then work them out on the bag. And then, if somebody picks you on the street, get stuck into them in a big way. Employ the situation. In the old days, Taiji practitioners would thank their attackers for the practice. It takes a lot of years - at least ten to become proficient in Taiji - but it's an excellent martial art. They weren't royal body guards because they looked pretty. The last couple of demos I've seen with Taiji practitioners up against MMA fighters have deserved everything they got. The art they are representing definitely didn't. They have obviously, never practised their art. The opponents have. They haven't impressed me as being particularly good, but they have had the practical component, know what it feels like to get hit, have become conditioned to it, have match fitness (which is totally different to standard physical fitness) and have gained the required result.

Thanks man. I learned a lot.

I’ve trained in traditional Chinese martial arts as well as modern combat sports, and based on my experience, CMA has a lot of good material. But the training methods have become so removed from reality that no one can put that material into practice. CMA today is way too theoretical. Practitioners get so preoccupied with attribute development and soft skills (sensitivity, body structure, focus, balance), that their training becomes almost entirely nonmartial. they focus on shit like flexing your thumb properly so the tendons in your arm are “hardened”-while contemporary martial artists are hitting pads and sparring and developing applicable skills. Every traditional martial art was the best answer to combat within its historical context. They become impractical over time because their context changes, they get mistranslated, or they become commodified into civilian pastimes.

Jerry great video. So awesome to see common sense emerge from all the fog and smoke.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Well, definitely more to come!

Thanks for translating!

@FightCommentary

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!