Update 3: here’s the Fight A Hu had on the same night before going up against Ding Hao: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZhrr7ijZZvSZ8o.html A Hu took on a Tai Chi guy (song de cai) Update 2: Ding Hao claims after the fight that he lost because he got tired (which is often referred to colloquially as "got gassed." Also, Ding claims A Hu’s kick didn’t connect his head. Update 1: Apparently, the coach of Ding Hao (Yu Changhua) wants Ding Hao to fight again soon. I will keep you posted! To see more of A Hu, here is A Hu vs another Kung Fu guy that happened in August of 2019: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nph-1JSKYc3Yp7w.html Also, please give cohost Hank a shoutout. Here's his company: kzread.info Use the discount code jerry for a discount, or you can go to my Amazon store and check out his Nature's Wild Berry

@pepehands3202

4 жыл бұрын

This fuckin coach is delusional . Keep sending unprepared, badly trained practitioners to their death beds. And lets not forget he got beaten by a one arm boxer. ONE FUCKIN HAND. 😂😂😂

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

Omg hopefully Ding Hao gets an actual coach soon

@wassupzaf

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah next fight will be someone of equivalent skills to the wing-bing meatball... A guy with NO ARMS. Ding a ling, or whatever, will probably knock himself with some stupid wing-ping move. What a farce.

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

RAWSNL 😂

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

Smart Research Wing Chun exactly. There is proper/adapted wing chun, and then there is this...

I can imagine this guy now at home, lights out, eating ice cream while watching an Ip man movie marathon attempting to recover his shattered ego.

@Killo464

4 жыл бұрын

At home? in the dark eating ice cream? Let's hope he doesn't live in Dallas, TX. That can be dangerous.

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

😂

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

Dodadeus He learned it from the 42.5 thousandth Goku related item that he saw. AFTER watching all of the Ip man movies

@blublopble

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s

3 жыл бұрын

With a blanket over his head as if to look like he's Emperor Palpatine.

Just 16 min? Where's the rest of the movie where the Wing Chun master rebuilds his school, defeats his mortal enemy and ends up happily married to his dream girl?

@hashimarhayre4

3 жыл бұрын

Damn!!!! i guess IP man movie is better than the real wing chun master

Wing CHung Master's training isn't complete, he hasn't seen IP Man 3 where IPman fights Mike Tyson, he will learn to defend against Boxer and MMA by watching this.

@Condoctuc

4 жыл бұрын

Good comnent

@itsrockitt

4 жыл бұрын

😃

@LowellFrancisco

4 жыл бұрын

And Ip Man 4.

It's almost like someone who's only ever played "air guitar" suddenly thrown on stage in front of thousands with a real legit electric guitar placed in his hands. Of course it's going to be an embarrassing failure.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

SinkHollyWood air guitar and some jam sessions

@aluisiofsjr

4 жыл бұрын

Good analogy! lol

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary He's only had two or three Jam sessions though and never practiced for any of them.

@05dturner

4 жыл бұрын

That might be the best description of heard and translates to so many other fights as well. I'm gonna borrow that quote but I'll make sure to give you the credit.

@lordnarasimha2500

4 жыл бұрын

SinkHollyWood perfect analogy

Dear Ding Hao 1) There’s a reason the saying goes, hands for hands, legs for legs. Why are you trying to backsmack low kicks? 2) If you study Wing Chun and don’t learn to deal with being clinched, it’s time to leave that school. 3) Don’t get cocky and taunt mid match 4) If a person repeatedly does the same move 3, 4 times in a row, they’re probably setting you up for something. “Chase center don’t chase limbs”, it’s that what they say in Wing Chun? 5) Good on you for testing yourself publicly. Regardless, that takes balls.

@JamesJrSy-cv7me

4 жыл бұрын

On point regarding ur comment on chasing the centerline and hands for hands, legs for legs.

@ISZAudio

4 жыл бұрын

Glad someone else is tearing apart his misuse of the art instead of blaming the art and going OMG MMA MUH BUTT SCOOCHIN IS DA BEST. Props, EBS. What family are you in?

@Ilikepie18855

4 жыл бұрын

Hey. There's no space for rational thinking in kung fool

@toraguchitoraguchi9154

4 жыл бұрын

Does not matter. WC is rubbish, always was n always will be.

@phamnguyenquang

4 жыл бұрын

"you fight how you trained" probably rather something to do with training process

Notice how dinghao wants to prove how superior wing chun is yet once he starts getting hit, he drops his stance and adopts a guard like his opponent. Even he doesn't believe in his own shit😂

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

We need Qi la la back!

Sees 16 minute video. ‘Ohhh maybe he’ll last longer this time with the weight advantage’... fight ends in one minute. Nvm then

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

Extasse IKR that’s exactly what I thought too

I don't remember whose video I was watching, but they had a really good explanation for why Wing Chun appears to be so bad so often. He said that it's similar to when the movie Karate Kid came out and Karate "masters" started appearing out of the woodwork to make a quick buck cuz every kid in America wanted to learn Karate. Essentially the same thing happened with Wing Chun when the Ip Man movie came out, all of the sudden there were Wing Chun schools everywhere! Unfortunately, many of them were actually bullshido schools. Finding a legitimate Wing Chun teacher/practitioner is hard to do because many of them only use it for self-defense, not ring fighting. As Jackie Chan said in The Forbidden Kingdom, "He who speaks does not know, he who knows does not speak."

Shouldn’t have skipped lunch again.

If I don't watch this kind of videos,I will still believe kungfu is really working in outside

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

that's the power of evidence

the wing chun guy has watched ip man too many times, thinking he can do movie kung fu in real life

"Why i lose again? It looks easy in the movie"

@hashimarhayre4

3 жыл бұрын

Well i guess samohong is the real deal

I hope these types of fights start a revolution in chinese martial arts. All these embarrassing defeats may force traditional martial artists to change their styles to shit that actually will work but still under the umbrella of the original form.

@user-zq7vi8lm4z

4 жыл бұрын

I think chinese tma is finished. Too stylistic, the original that might actually works probably lost in time. They need to adopt lots of things to the point it doesnt looks like chinese tma anymore. Like sanda, chinese tma that doesnt looks like chinese tma.

@05dturner

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure these types of videos are censored in China. When it comes to protecting their aincient Chinese secret Kung Fu they are buttoned up tighter than Kim Jong Un.

@Trollioli

4 жыл бұрын

@@05dturner I thought so too but I've also heard that most Chinese people think that the TMA practitioners are largely a joke.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

@@05dturner these videos are not censored in China. There are 50329023490 of them on Chinese social media. The only types of videos that are censored are anything related to Xu Xiaodong.

@Deloowix

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary Why are Xu Xiaodong videos censored? Does CCP give explanations or do they require a court order for the censorship? Otherwise it seems unfair.

Things just happen so fast in the so-called "trapping range." The wing chun guard is a kind of "active guard" which provides little passive defense in exchange for a lot of great theoretical defense via the practitioner moving their arms in a very specific way. The fundamental issue is that things happen far too fast in the trapping range for a human being to reliably react in time. When you're that close it's hard to even see certain kinds of punches and kicks. The Thai clinch (or various other kinds of clinches) is useful because it allows the fighter to create a relatively durable position that he controls for a couple of seconds, not unlike how you want to be in a dominant position in jiujitsu. That allows you to hang out in super close range and rely on your positional superiority to out-damage the opponent or to take him down, depending on what you want to happen. That is to say, the Thai clinch works whether or not you have a reaction time 3x or 4x as fast as a real human being--it doesn't rely on superhuman reaction time, it relies on structural superiority, which is why it can be used in real life.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Pinning you comment.

@alouiciousjackson5812

4 жыл бұрын

What you don't understand is that 1)Wing Chun relies on the sense of touch, not visual reactions(i.e. chi sao) and 2)nobody in China actually knows Wing Chun. If they did, they would close the distance, touch the opponent's arms, and stick to him, disrupting his balance- and once that is accomplished, strike. THAT is Wing Chun, and none of these fools does it.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

​@@alouiciousjackson5812 "What you don't understand is that 1)Wing Chun relies on the sense of touch, not visual reactions(i.e. chi sao)" I understand that it's their theoretical construct. Observation has basically proven that, regardless of chi sao or other forms of sensitivity training, they are unable to reliably perform these techniques in real fights. You might pull it off a few times either through absolute superiority or luck, but you're going to take a lot of shots on the way to those handful of times. "2)nobody in China actually knows Wing Chun." It might just turn out that nobody in the world knows, or has ever known, wing chun, at least if that's the explanation for its inadequacy. "If they did, they would close the distance, touch the opponent's arms, and stick to him, disrupting his balance- and once that is accomplished, strike." I get that, theoretically, that's what's supposed to happen. It's just that it never seems to actually happen. "THAT is Wing Chun, and none of these fools does it." Well that kind of gets back to my point. One common form of apologetics used to defend kung fu or wing chun (or various other styles) is that "that fighter isn't REALLY skilled in Style X." That's sometimes actually a pretty good argument to make, but it becomes difficult to explain how a massively popular style, studied by hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, never seems to produce someone who is genuinely skilled in the style. Wing chun not working in real life is not an outlier, it's the norm. If, conversely, we saw a boxer, or wrestler, or kickboxer (etc.) be terrible in a fight and get annihilated, we could fall back on the tens of thousands of victories behind each style and suggest that this particular fighter, or fight, was the outlier. So that's kind of what we're doing, we're looking at a broad overview of style representatives and noticing trends.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

I completely disagree. It's a lack of skill, it's a lack of experience, it's a lack of confidence and the idea of trapping is based on ideas about where a fight takes place and how long and difficult a fight is that aren't sound and are very shortsighted. If two people stay at 'trapping range' and never move from there even without training they are very awkward to hit hard and cleanly and you have to work to find a target unless you're very skilled. No training required to be a nuisance at 'trapping range' unless you allow full blown grappling which can then be used to grapple the unskilled opponent into a vulnerable position. Trapping range feels safe and it can feel like you're having success if you're just touching your opponent even if your punches are having no effect. These guys who are losing are still not getting knocked out in 3 seconds or dropped by the first punch thrown which gives practitioners of this false hope, maybe it's just a matter of concentraction they might think or a lack of ability to stick to the gameplan. Could be why so many are firm believers in this crap. Never considering the opponent's ability to change the gameplan, that the fault here is the lack of skills required to ensure the opponent stays fighting at the comfortable range and playing Chi Sao. Obviously though a fighter will keep looking for a way until they are able to hit with something that hurts, they won't hang around at close range where it's safer forever unless they've got something going there. fighting is hard, it's meant to be hard. Lasting 30 seconds and landing nothing effective and ultimately being stopped with comparatively little resistance isn't evidence you fought well or your training worked. Everyone should offer at least some resistance if they've got a pulse.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@@alouiciousjackson5812 Love to see you in the ring against elite fighters to show us all how it's really done and how everyone else isn't following the gameplan. Showing us how easy it is to make other fighters fight exactly like you need them to.

29岁的丁浩赛后首次发声就语出惊人，明显对失败不服气，丁浩说：“本人周末输掉比赛，是因为之前备战比赛训练过度，导致在台上突发全身性肌肉痉挛，这才是我倒地的根本原因。事实并非大家看到的那样，实际上阿虎的那一腿并未击中我，那是摄像机角度的错觉，让大家误以为击中了我的头部。如果我不是之前没白天没黑夜超强度高负荷训练，我完全可以第2回合KO阿虎的。”丁浩竟然说出如此赛后感言，这是笔者始料未及的。 Extract from tencent. My English translation: basically, the gist of what ding hao said post fight was, he was not kicked in the head, which was just camera angle, he just had too much training and conditioning preflight, he had cramps, he believes he could have koed A Hu in round 2. The reporter expressed surprise from him saying that.

@Soccerates

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation and translation! Ding Hao will get really hurt by someone one day if he carries on fighting.

Even Charlie Zelenoff could KO Ding Hao.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Charlie at least knows how to properly throw a punch.

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

Fight Commentary Breakdowns shit I could KO Ding Hao 😂

@misterlibra1675

4 жыл бұрын

Charlie's record is 200+ wins and no losses. Lol

@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBLam6679 You? You'd KO him before he'd throw a hook at your face.

This was surprisingly exciting to watch!

1:35 Fear the man who has practised 1 kick 10,000 times. And switches stance for no apparent reason... 😉

“Let me show you another angle of this fight, this is pretty cool it’s like another angle” -fight commentary breakdowns

Sometimes you have to go into the deepest darkest den and face the most ferocious lion. And maybe then you'll discover what you need to learn.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

I hope Ding Hao learns then!

It reminds of that fight with I think Nick Diaz and the Japanese guy was practicing catching his coaches punches. Then he got beat up.

@munkyzzb7504

4 жыл бұрын

@@hasanagic96 Yeah I figured he had to have some skills just get that fight.

My god, the Wing chun actually looks like he trained by sparring with someone other than his wooden dummy. Next time he should train to fight a Mixed martial artist and not another Wing Chun dancer.

The wing chun coach is not irresponsible, he is delusional and did not accept his one sided loss to a boxer.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

I wonder what the Wing Chun side’s excuse will be this time now that they can’t use weight disadvantage as an excuse. My guess is they’ll probably say the mma guy was unfairly using kicks and should have used hands or something lol.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

wasn't given that crucial fourth course to his meal the night before

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

@@GuitarsRockForever I'd actually like to see that excuse. Their excuse game has not been exactly great lately.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

@@GuitarsRockForever that's true. it's not like you're going to scientifically measure the feng shui quality and prove that no, the feng shui was top notch in here or something

@zixardent

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe WingChun is the type of street fight art, where it will be most effective when there's no rule restriction (can hit any part to kill)..? Oh wait, that's Bruce Lee's Jeet Kun Do..

Great job bro. Your vid made it to the SCMP. 👍👍

Why do these Wing Chun practitioners never do Wing Chun when they get in the ring? It always puzzled me. They just convert to bad kickboxing.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

Under stressful situations people tend to revert back to their base instincts. With sufficient training in similarly stressful situations, you can overcome that. For instance, firefighters run into burning buildings despite a primordial fear of fire.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

Because of how you interpret what you're seeing. You see punches and people fighting and think it's kickboxing even if one fighter shows absolutely nothing you'd expect from someone trained in kickboxing.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@@elenchus Kickboxing isn't a base instinct. If Ding Hao fought on base instinct with a mentality of mangling this other guy he'd have been that much more effective before he lost. Base instinct is to start swinging or grappling to save yourself from the swinging.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

@@7dayspking "Kickboxing isn't a base instinct." Certainly not, but what the OP said was specifically "bad kickboxing," and I was referring to that when I talked about instinctive fighting. Real kickboxing, AKA good kickboxing, is very much a highly developed skill.

@pepehands3202

4 жыл бұрын

Simple, because fuckin wingchun doesn't work. Just for dance performance and movies.

The wing chun guy lost so bad and so completely that the judges ruled it as 'almost a draw'.

His coach was asking if he'd had enough appetizers.

Bruce Lee said in 1959.. A guy who's been training in Boxing and Wrestling for ONE YEAR can defeat a lifelong traditional Martial Artist.

@Orinard

4 жыл бұрын

Eddie Bravo said that, can't find a quote of Lee saying it himself.

@RamonChiNangWong078

4 жыл бұрын

source?

@Head318Hunter

4 жыл бұрын

@@Orinard So you say Eddie is THE LIAR? have a BJJ match with him and the winner is right.

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

SinkHollyWood no he’s saying it wasn’t from Bruce Lee. Check your sources man

@Orinard

4 жыл бұрын

@@Head318Hunter let me see a known conspiracy theorist said something that i couldn't find anywhere on the GODDAMN INTERNET... Nah i'm confused he's probably right.

*"Everybody got plans... until they get hit." - Mike Tyson* The Whin Chun guy goes attack mode at first with fully confident, but when the MMA guy give one effective and direct punch... the Whin Chun guy just blank and don't know what to expect till the end. Clear and plain to see.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

the pain you get from the first time you really get punched or kicked can create a lot of fear. But I think the guy took it pretty well, actually.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say he was fully confident. Look how he's trying to wade himself into range. He definitely feels he's going to be hit because his training in no way prepare him for this, basically untrained. He was trying until the end, his opponent just adjusted and stopped getting in close with him.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark Donald Not the same as what I'm talking about. His anticipation or fear of the punches is taking precedence. He's looking to fight his way in...to throw a punch, I'm not talking about him using defence. I'm talking about him not just committing with a punch. You've probably at some point had the same experience, you don't feel you can get into a safe position to land a punch from. You feel like when you want to throw that you're just going to get hit and that it's awkward to find a way to hit your opponent. If he was attack mode with full confidence he'd run in and just throw. Obviously that's a dangerous way to fight but I was just disagreeing with the original commenter.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark Donald wtf...did you read a word I said? When you're punching you've got to let them go. It's nothing to do with being batman or not getting hit. I'm talking about hesitating.

I feel bad for these wing chun guys years of practice to get into a ring to find out ya martial arts isn’t effective sucks at the same time though it should be time to let go and train something different

@Head318Hunter

4 жыл бұрын

It is sad. But it needs to be exposed nonetheless.

@tartarus500

4 жыл бұрын

Nowadays styes like WIng Chun can't stand up to modern fighting styles. At least in the past, there was a time and place where it was effective against other traditional arts. But times change.

@SwordTune

4 жыл бұрын

@@tartarus500 Wing Chun stands easily with modern styles, so long as you don't use the extreme traditional method. It's like saying boxing can't keep up with modern fighting, but only refer to 17th century pugilism.

@dswynne

4 жыл бұрын

It's effective against untrained brawlers.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

@@dswynne is it though? why think it works against untrained people?

Why is the WC guy so stiff so early in the fight? I had the same experience too when sparring some guy, the more you kick to lower their hand will become. And yeah, WC needs sparring experience

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Chubby Huang you have an awesome name!

@RamonChiNangWong078

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary actually nope

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

Chubby Huang 😂

@cosmicdoggo9296

4 жыл бұрын

I have done wc for a half of year no sparing at all

@jloweis2358

4 жыл бұрын

@@cosmicdoggo9296 that's not very good. I've done it for 3 years and a half and I started sparring maybe 5 months in. You really need to start early.

Lel bad wing tsun😂 I love your voice over❤😍

It is so fun to watch. Both guys are winner, one for medal and another for money.

I liked your and your friends fight commentary

Lol “playing patty cake with his face” that got me!

The MMA guy was running over to snap the Wing Chun guy's neck while he was unconscious, but the ref was like "Not on my watch, mister!"

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

classic mma guy shenanigans

@LAVATORR

4 жыл бұрын

@@elenchus we're rascals like that

Wing Chun is very impressive .. when you stick to Wing Chun’s choreography. Not otherwise

some guys watch ip man movies and get too excited and think they can do the same and go aggressive on ring or in real life situation but when it come to wing chun its either you defense only and wait the right opportunity to counter attack and do damage or switch to boxing or whatever attacking style and deal damage from the beginning , but its hard to use wing chun itself to attack , as you can see in the video the guy looks silly by doing this wing chun is not meant for attacking. same as many many other styles and people have to understand this .

@AbduCola

4 жыл бұрын

Ip Man is human garbage

Wow that kick was awesome!

While Xu Xiaodong was dominating because of his aggression and size, A Hu was more versatile with his arsenal. The knees and the round kicks were an unsolved mystery to Ding hao and accumulated towards his downfall. If he lost to Xu, it is no surprised he would lose to A Hu. Ding Hao would find it enlightening if he get to read Bruce Lee's Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Time to evolve if he wants to become successful in these inter-style matches.

This says a lot about more traditional Wing Chun. Even Master Wong who is heavily criticized would criticize Wing Chun practioners for keeping their hands too far from their face.

@pepehands3202

4 жыл бұрын

Master Wong is a fuckin fraud 😂😂😂. Choreograph fights like stunt dancing bullshit hahahaha

It's all about the angles. Every chunner expects the opponent to come in with punches from a straight line, but no it doesn't work that way. Throw different punches from various speed and angles, and all chunners will lose.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

vajleexi there’s one Kuwaiti Wing chun guy we saw who had some awesome angles.

honest and brutal synopsis of the "fight."

the problem with Wing Chun is not the lack of technique but lacks of full contact sparring routine. If they adopt that into their routines, they would develop modern combat wing chun style and adopting some grappling technique.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's probably both. Without constant sparring and competition, the techniques themselves won't be good. You need that full resistance environment to get rid of bad techniques, refine existing ones and incorporate new ones.

This is why Bruce lee only used a small portion of this art in his Jeet Kune Do

@LAVATORR

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Wing Chun guy has a better record than Bruce Lee.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

nick nack also, according to wing Chun purists, Bruce Lee only was an intermediate at Wing Chun, so that’s why he could only use a small portion. But according to even deeper purists, Ip Man was only an amateur because his teacher only taught him basics because Ip Man was an opium dealer who had no martial arts talent. So to the real branch of wing chun, this is a gentle reminder to come out and test yourself so that your wack descendants don’t keep making the real wing Chun look bad.

@jashardwallington

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary wait what ip man was sellin dope 😂😂

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Such craziness when you look at the actual Ip Man. Most of the stuff in the first Ip Man movie was actually Yuan Qi Shan’s accomplishments.

@pauldower1196

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary thanks for the info man, didn't know ip man was amateur. I believe there are good Wing Chun fighters out there that could handle the mma guy, unfortunately this fella isn't one of them. I argue that wing Chun is not a sport and should not be demonstrated in a contest.

Wow. I studied Kajukenbo back in the late 70's in Denver. Haven't heard that name in a while. Al Dacascos was the big name there. I remember when Bill Wallace came to give us a class in kicking techniques, good memories.

He's using his "late night radio host" voice again.

"everybody got a plan until they got punch on the face" then u realize you're good in math.

I think they put their hands down in wing Chung because it stems back to the day where there were no gloves to protect the hands, so blows to the head were rarer and shots were more focused on the body. Bare knuckle boxers back in the early stages also had a similar stance.

I thought cardio criticism was unfounded. Maybe based on appearance? Ding didn't look tired, or badly affected from taking shots in their exchanges. He'd clearly trained hard for this. Only problem that it was in Wing Chun.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he actually did seem to be in pretty good shape and he was actually surprisingly able to cope with some very hard shots, granted it's not too difficult to develop cardio for like 30 second fights

What up COMBAT CREW!! Lets check this out

Hmm i think he didn’t eat enough dumplings before the fight!

BTW Jerry, what's the Hanzi for A Hu? Thanks.

@JamesJrSy-cv7me

4 жыл бұрын

@武宫正树 Thank you.

New excuse for Ding: he is smaller than me so he's more agile. not fair.

He switches his stance to that in order to counter the mma fighter bc he knows wing chun alone can’t defeat it but he uses a lot and I mean ALOT of wing chun techniques

This made me sad to look at this... over 10kgs on the mma fighter and still losing, the only thing I find surprising is how long it took the fighter to win...

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

wing chun is so powerful that it can make you lose even if you're up against substantially smaller opponents

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

elenchus 😂

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

We need to see legit/practical Wing Chun in there. 😂

Man ouch. I think I got a concussion just watching the fight. I don't even want to call it a fight because it was a slaughter. Why would you allow people to go in there when they can't even throw a punch?

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

i think there's a serious ethics debate to be had on that subject

The Wing Chun guy was convinced that Wing Chun is magic.

The main reason why Wing Chun became popular for a certain time was because of Donnie Yen's Ip Man movies. A fictional Donnie Yen Ip Man could probably beat a lot of MMA fighters.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

wing chun's been popular for decades though. I remember growing up watching wing chun movies in the '90s, for instance, with Sammo Hung and so on. I think it just hadn't quite hit its stride with the Americans until the Ip Man movies.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Wing Chun sounds cooler pronounced in Chinese too: 詠春 sounds like forever spring (even thought it’s a homophone for Forever).

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary That actually sounds kind of feminine now that you say it. I might name my new perfume line after wing chun.

@theoptionaut.tailer7501

4 жыл бұрын

No, Wing Chun really exploded back in the 60's and 70's when it was discovered Bruce Lee did Wing Chun. What is hardly ever discussed is that Bruce Lee only did Wing Chun for two years and left _because_ he found the style extremely impractical in the roof top fights he'd get into. Because of the Ip Man movies, we're seeing a resurgence of Wing Chun's popularity.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

@@theoptionaut.tailer7501 "What is hardly ever discussed is that Bruce Lee only did Wing Chun for two years" I always find that humorous since Bruce Lee is routinely held to be the apex of wing chun skill by wing chun fans. He had very little formal training in it.

favorite .thing . ever.

Wing Chun is superior. Nuff said! Hahaha! 😂

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Ismail Is The Name that’s what his couch Yu Changsha will say

@lionsden4563

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary, Lol!

His stance in the beginning means when someone / beggar asks for something they should face their hand up .I assume Ding Hole asks his opponent for some punches/kicks to his face

Got it Jerry. It's 阿虎.

Eye opening

This guy is finally ready after watching Ip Man 4! I hope Xu Xiaodong is ready!

I believe trapping was developed for small blade weapons melee fights. Originally TMA forms were made to teach a relatively high number of students the use of a weapon these were adapted to bare hand forms after weapons were banned this is why forms in modern TMA schools are teached barehanded and then with its respective weapon's variation. They are still useful to teach the weapons drills but sadly these were transformed into two person forms not military drills as initially intended.

Legend in his own mind oddity kung-fooled again!

Wing chun is good for movies 🎥 🍿

Ding Hao learned something...he figured out that he needs to beef and muscled up to fight, and he got reallybuffed...but, still have not figured out his win chun is the main problem...it is useless. After the first contact...no more win chun stance...it is back to reality where his punches do no damage to someone who knows how to fight and can take some punishments.

just a question. whats the best thing that Wing Chung guy should have done while he was eating knees ?

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Learn Muay Thai or Sanda.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

Are you asking what does wing chun teach should be ideally done in that situation? That's an interesting question, if I've got you right. I wouldn't mind hearing from wing chun specialists on what wing chun's traditional answer would have been.

@RangaNanayakkara

4 жыл бұрын

@@elenchus yep thats what i meant. sorry for the bad English

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Ranga Nanayakkara all jokes aside. Wing Chun (from my limited understanding) has blocks that are supposed to frame against the knee (by putting a forearm or both forearms against the thigh). Also, wing Chun also has knees or low kicks that they could throw back which Ding didn’t throw. On top of that, some wing chun people might say that if the trapping range were better utilized, the guy would have fought his way out of the clinch or not be put in a clinch. Also, certain wing chun styles have takedowns, so if you try to knee a wing chun guy and off balance yourself or get your leg caught, maybe you could get taken down. @elenchus let me know if I missed anything.

@i-evi-l

4 жыл бұрын

@@RangaNanayakkara You break a clinch with a good standing base, and double hand push outward, not up, on one elbow. And that's only if the rules say no ground game. If there's ground then counter clinch and yank their stupid head off with a hip throw. You can go for a leg catch. Probably the most important thing is fight the urge to run backwards as that results in tightening a clinch and destabilizing your leg base. So turn inward with one hip for the elbow push or an uppercut. Side stances counter balance the clincher's tactic of dragging your face into his knee.

Is this Jerry Liu doing the commentary?

Did Ding Hao challenge Xu Xiadong again after getting knocked out by a small fighter?

I'm a traditional martial artist. Well, I do Pencak Silat. If you wanna ask why he pointed his arm like that which tiring his muscle out, it is just a matter of "arts", as the name states lmao.. I've tried wing chun, taekwondo, and pencak silat so far (ah and a lil capoeira from my friend if you count that in although it was more to dance than fight), from my humble opinion, I think traditional martial arts were built based on the situation of the locals. In both pencak silat and kung fu, they took inspirations from animals. But as time goes on, man tended to show off his power (which if pretty same, they will show how beautiful their movement). If you wanna compare to modern martial arts which focus solely to how to beat the enemy to pulp, in that state, some traditional martial arts might have serious issues. As for Pencak Silat which I learnt the longest, we do show off some beautiful movement and stances, but those are not for fighting stance, it rather for showing respect and ofc to intimidate the enemy. As for my style of pencak silat, the stance usually we used is pretty same with box, but with more side facing oriented and a lil bit lower left hand bcs we have counter-movements for both kicks and punches. Then, as the fight goes on, we simply forget the beauty. Our focus is how to beat our rival to pulp as originally, pencak itself means "art to kill". I trained my pencak silat at different dojos (with the same style), they all differ what technique if you wanna focus on fighting skill, and technique for the show-off-arts. I can say, the way we fight quite different from many people might think. If you ask me if all those techniques could be pulled on modern martial arts like boxing or kickboxing or whatsoever which pretty popular on MMA. I say no. Some are not viable to do against them (I assume both are pretty skilled). Like if you could pull your kick fast enough to prevent it from the catch, well, I couldn't catch it. I can't use a diving kick to kick the enemy down in MMA. It is too risky. If I could kick it hard and accurate enough to hit a bulls eye to the ankle, I could dislocate the ankle or at least bring my enemy down, but If I could not, and I do that in MMA match, you could think what will happen. Cute target just fell down on his own, lmao Pls don't ask me about "chi" or whatsoever.. most of those r bullshit, but I can't deny, I've met some dudes with weird power. Well, Indonesia traditionally was pretty close to that occultic thingy. Then after we talked for a quite time, yes they said they did some meditation on some mountain with eerie chantings

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the fanaticism behind Pencak Dor

Honestly smiled when I heard the kajukenbo call out. I moved on from it but will always have a fondness for the actual techniques they employ against one another. Every student knows the crazy palamas are just for belt testing and that the techniques taught are meant to defend yourself primarily against drunken sailors and military men. 1v1 displays the true kajukenbo, explosive footwork and combos pulled mostly from judo karate and boxing. Ive had downward elbows to the solar plexus and skull while on the ground but the class stay away from groin kicks to be civil. Its dying out sadly cause no one will do matches against dirty fighters so the gentleman who taught me slowly adapted to karate rules with no punches to the face. And yes it is tested but having 3 guys beat up on one guy still felt wrong and sparring was without a doubt two people attempting to hurt one another, the foot guards and hands guards offer less protection than mma gloves and shin guards. Padded helmet was nice but redundant if the other person was more interested in counter punching by hammer fisting your radial nerve before kicking you in the face.

Постойте ! Я же видел фильмы Ип Ман ! Но как же так ? )))))

I heard thai word "tee" "tee" "tee" from Chen Jinyun's corner man at the moment of the clinch knee. This word means "hit" ( hit with knee )

@samattapoluttamayotin1457

4 жыл бұрын

@Jubei Yang A ) Tee "ตี" in thai means hit. B ) Teep "ถีบ" in thai means push kick.

@samattapoluttamayotin1457

4 жыл бұрын

@Jubei Yang Right. "Tee mun " means hit it ( him or her ) By the way " mun " means "it" of which is not a polite way to use ... anyhow we use it .

And..... there is a WingChun Training advert under this video. Not too hard to decide whether to enroll or not... 😂

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

Who's the advert by?

@hyzelfadhil5691

4 жыл бұрын

@@FightCommentary local ad from my country buddy. :)

love this fucking channel, bullshido getting wrecked is comedy gold🤣🤣🤣

I heard Ding Hao hired Rhonda Rousey's old defensive boxing coach.

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

savage

@hazard1233

4 жыл бұрын

If that’s true then that might be a smart move

I'll give Ding Hao credit. He got his ass kicked by an MMA fighter before but he is back. Trial by Fire!

I studied Wing-Chun under 2 different teachers for about 4 years, Wing-Chun V Wing-Chun works fine because each person knows what to expect, and its all compliant stuff that they do, Wing-Chun would probably work against someone who has had no training. I enjoyed Wing-Chun for the sensitivity training, MMA although considered a sport is an effective combat system as it incorporates, boxing, kicks and grappling, in fact it was something that the great Bruce Lee encouraged, get rid of what does not work and adopt what does. I have used and trained in many styles, but the most effect technique I learnt was western boxing. I enjoy the training and conditioning, and also the philosophy behind some of the better combat styles. What separates a combat athlete is the training that they put into it. Kata's or forms were to imitate situations or scenarios, unfortunately they were out of date, such as how to dislodge a warrior on a horse, so go figure. If a practitioner does not practice their skills or hone their skills in an actual situation, they will never know if it works or not.

I believe this time they finally feed him well but the food itself was poisoned

The fact he leaned down to block a leg kick with his hand throws ANY "believed" training out the window😅 his teacher must be a youtube channel 😂

ASMR Commentary Breakdowns?

Another great breakdown! I want to bring this up, see if it will make sense: about the traditional arts, those of which is said they evolved in actual combat times, primarily the Chinese and Japanese ones. The tma seem to keep failing when standing ifo a mma guy. So why do these tma folks keep telling us the same thing; that those arts are meant for killing, and that the sports arena limits them? After which they almost all the time get their behinds kicked. So why does this keep happening? My thoughts on this: in older times the ma schools that actually evolved in ages of war and combat had a different way of training. Most schools, Chinese and Japanese asfar as I know, had basic levels and advanced levels of techniques, techniques that were born and evolved in actual combat, but when demonstrated nowadays can look laughable for outsiders. But advancing from one to another took years of boring and repetitive training. So imagine that you learn one way of moving, a type of block or whatever, and that you actually do just those steps for a whole year, day in day out, from every angle, imagining all types of opponents, cause it had to work against anyone. Otherwise it was useless… … that way of moving would sink into every fibre of your muscle work. So repeating the same things over and over, while sharpening everything… Now, going back to mma, what kind of training are mma guys doing? Repetitive exhausting training of their way of moving. The way I see it, they actually train like the traditional martial artists used to, they put their hours into it, so that they can rely on their jabs and throws. So how many of the traditional ma's that keep getting defeated these days still train that way? That boring dragging almost lifesucking endless training that eventually rewards its self in a strong body and muscle memory activation? So in that case, would you blame the art, or the practitioner? Does this make any sense? Doesn't matter, Keep ‘em Coming😊

@i-evi-l

4 жыл бұрын

I'd say your break down was pretty good. Your grammar was atrocious though. 😄😄 In context of this fight, Ding Hao is just trained like shit because he has no cross training vs other schools. He's a purist which is obviously his downfall. For Wing Chun specifically, it was basically never born in soldier combat. Its basically been nothing but dirty fighting and Boat Fighting. The stability stance would be great for fighting on boats. On dry land its obviously a fish out o water. Ive seen good WC fighters but they worked it into a MMA format; Tony Ferguson and Alan Ore's students. Good MMA wing chun does exist, but just not from purists.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

Short answer, absolutely no to everything you said. TMA guys already do repetitive training for the way 'they move'. Modern fight training is more diverse than that. Training a blocking motion in your backyard for 15 years for 10 hours a day in isolation won't make you good at fighting. You'll walk in worse at fighting than you were before you started. Older, slower, weaker and trying to make your fight and gameplan about something ineffective. You imagine countering with skills you never actually developed instead of fighting hard and trying to do damage with the inherent abilities you were born with. If you throw as hard as you can at least if you land clean the fight can be over, if you throw as often as you there's more punches with the potential to be that clean punch. If you sit there with no real training just waiting for your opponent, you're giving yourself no opportunities to succeed. Historical warfare didn't work like what you're probably imaging. You don't have 'schools' forming the entire bodies of opposing armies and fighting for dominance and successful armies primarily fought with weapons and warfare isn't all about face to face confrontations or the skill of the fighters. I don't even know if modern Wing Chun as we know it is even 200 years old but the Chinese have been fighting with artillery, firearms and pikes for about ending about 150 years ago and starting about 800 years ago. With lots of projectiles, tight formations of potentially heavily armoured infantry holding pointy sticks taller than the height of a man and armoured Cavalry. Where does Wing Chun fit in to that picture?

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@@i-evi-l An kickboxer who never cross trains can still be an amazing fighter. Lack of crosstraining isn't the issue, the issue is what he's trained has absolutely no value at all. I would never call Tony Ferguson an accurate representative of the typical results of Wing Chun training. He's a typical MMA fighter who's had years of typical MMA training. He didn't walk out of a dojo into the ring, he's got a team of professionals in MMA training and conditioning behind him. All these top MMA guys are basically the same in that regard. There's always that parallel that they are professional fighters who train as professional fighters.

@i-evi-l

4 жыл бұрын

@@7dayspking oy vey. I wouldn't call any top mma guys representative of any one style except the Gracies. Lmao. I mention Tony because its pretty well known he trains in Wing Chun and uses aspects of it, just like Jon Jones using Wing Chun style kicks. The biggest mistake purists make is mistaking look for application.

@7dayspking

4 жыл бұрын

@@i-evi-l They're representing MMA style just like boxers represent boxing. MMA and boxing are both sports not formalized styles...but there are trainers, schools, gyms and fighters who dedicate themselves to learning skill specifically to compete so they are styles. Tony's style is whatever the hell he works with his trainers on. Those he works with and did work with probably have their own approach that you'll see represented in many of the fighters they work with. I don't agree Tony or Jon Jones use Wing Chun or 'aspects of it'. I think they use MMA.

If you guys knew about true wing China one of the defensive and trapping methods is called bonsall which is an elbow

And that's why Bruce Lee took all the necessary moves from every style. Bruce probably experienced this himself and new mma would win a street fight. But Bruce always respected those who at least wanted to learn a style because he believed everyone should learn how to fight which is a step into the door into mma.

Maybe he training durability

@elenchus

4 жыл бұрын

lol

MMA, is by far, the greatest thing to happen for martial arts. Now, martial arts that are steeped in tradition and lack and practical effectiveness, will be forced to adapt. Now we will see martial arts really evolve, instead of staying stagnant and dead.

How do i fight kung fu masters?

Damn!,...the wing chun guy kept on blocking all the punches and kicks with his face!!!! Steel faced!

As Ramsey Dewey has said, the appearance of poor cardio is often that the body isn’t efficient at moving in ways a real fight requires. He may be able to run a marathon with a sandbag, but if he hasn’t had 10 minutes of real fighting, his body will gas. I’m not speaking from experience, but Ramsey was and it made sense to me.

Another one bites the dust.

WIng chun is weird. They try to fight like there are weapons in their hands. Trapping is essentially what "the bind" is in HEMA, but they are using their arms instead of the blade or shaft of a weapon. Anyway, like you said, when you know the clinch (muay thai and wrestling) it is a much better system of fighting at that range. Trapping is kinda useful in hand fighting (Eddie Bravo says he's used it when fighting for chokes and stuff), but don't go out and learn wing chun if you don't know it already. Maybe a seminar, idk... lol

Trapping and clinching just can't be compared. They serve different purposes and operate at different places and intervals.

It's always satisfying when you criticize a fighter for leaving his hands down and then he immediately takes a gigantic blow to the head. That must feel good as a caster.

So, I think Robbie Lawler is a really good example of how to use hand trapping in MMA. Daniel Cormier kind of does the same thing. A guy has to punch around your palms, because punching through them is pointless, and when he does punch around your palms you can hit him straight down the pipe.

@FightCommentary

4 жыл бұрын

I'll show a Wing Chun vs Lethwei match soon. That Wing Chun guy does the type of hand trapping you mention. Super cool video to come!

TLDR: katas are just decision-making combos, like in boxing. Stress test. Train in a way grounded in reality. You guys comment on how there doesn't seem to be any point to complicated katas other than to show ability to learn action sequences. On that point, forms or katas are more like flashcards than fixed recipes to be performed in rigid sequence. In a pre-industrial, often semi/illiterate society, forms were a kinesthetic mnemonic device to help students remember a set of related skills; the flowery names associated were a second, redundant mnemonic device to help reinforce remembering the skills represented in the form. Take a form that has e.g. 8 movements with different stances and transitions between stances. Importance stances are like key frames in an animated movie -- each one captures some important interaction of elements in a moment of the fight situation, but it's also just one frame in the movie and you flash through it in motion at 24 fps. Additionally, there are decisions you can feel out and make at different points in the sequence that are high low, right left, hard soft, or before after in response to the opponent's actions. And nothing says you have to perform the 8 actions/movements of the given form in order. So in an actual fight exchange, you might lead with action 3 from the form b/c your range or line on the opponent doesn't justify spending time to unnecessarily open with the preceding actions 1 and 2. Opponent responds with a hard technique, so you follow with the appropriate action 4 b/c it was taught as the most likely follow-up to a response to action 3. But in a different fight, a different opponent responds with a soft technique. Well, your form's actions 5 and 6 provide the setup and counter for a soft action. But you already performed action 3. So you just borrow the soft response and do action 6 following your action 3. And just like with boxing combination drills, you have to rep out enough of these combos to build a feel for how to fire off different combos, or how to riff off one combo setup as a feint and switch up with a different combo conclusion. It's like boxing combo A (jab-cross-hook-cross) versus combo B (jab-cross-uppercut-cross). You're not going to go into a fight blindly spamming only combo A. You probe, you throw a few jabs in a row, sometimes you start the combo but bail out after attempting the first jab-cross. The opponent buys your feint and you switch up from the hook to the uppercut. But while this idea is constantly taught up front and drilled into boxers, the equivalent decision-making and process of repping out combos in light sparring has 1) been lost or diluted in many low/non-contact martial art schools (not just kung fu -- it's pretty universal) and 2) obscured by decades of non competitive, non combative training such that people get creative with weird new ideas or misunderstandings and there's no partial/full contact reality check to prune the craziness. No one calls out the BS, and that emboldens the cowards and weirdos to make baseless claims of skill and mastery until new people can't tell the real gold from the Kool-Aid anymore, and they say that all martial arts suck. And THAT's because humans are risk averse. You've mentioned how so many wanna-be fighters are delusional or suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. I think the preference for pretending to be good at fighting instead of really making an effort to build real skill comes from that risk aversion. They fear failure -- looking bad, losing, getting hurt, being proven wrong, etc. So on a regular basis in training, they take the easy way out. Avoid contact in sparring. Avoid sparring. Avoid challenging themselves. It sucks when you invest time into something and then someone shows you you're wrong. So you neatly dodge that by not having anyone show you you're wrong. It's easier to pay money to be told that you're good at an easy, badly taught martial art, than to sweat it out and build actual, hard-earned skill in a well-taught art (and it could be the SAME art). After all, it's not like 98% of students regularly get into street gang fights any more, so a self-deluded person could go decades without ever getting called out. Fast forward through a few generations of students who each suffer this by 5-10% but go on to become instructors, and you compound the problem. Additionally, commercial schools need to retain paying students to keep the lights on, and boy howdy, risk averse students hate feeling uncomfortable and being forced to confront any cognitive dissonance about their fighting abilities or the limitations of the system they've sunk so much time and effort into training. This also ties into the ever-present debate about which martial art is the best. Any fighter willing to spar and train in a diligent, sincere way is someone willing to confront risk, discomfort, and sometimes even their own cognitive dissonance -- at least a little. Whether by necessity, circumstance, or choice, they get real fighting experience. And that makes a better fighter. The particular details of any sensible martial art are certainly deep and numerous, but still relatively trivial compared to cultivating the fighter's basic mental and physical attributes. A weak-willed fighter trained in MMA, muay thai, BJJ, krav maga, or whatever is the testosterone-poisoned flavor of the decade still isn't going to be a good fighter if they can't acknowledge and confront their own training deficiencies. In this sense of strong or weak fighters as defined by the robustness and sincerity of their training, a strong wushu guy will very likely beat the stuffing out of a weak muay thai guy, but will probably struggle to even hold a candle up to a comparably strong muay thai guy (though this stereotype doesn't 100% rule out a strong wushu guy out there somewhere who can beat strong muay thai guys).