If anyone wants to hear my thoughts on Man of Steel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYuYy6dufMmfoag.html

@AZITHEMLGPRO

5 жыл бұрын

Just did

@joeypethan5083

5 жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on the Snyder Cut? You think it exists?

@adifferentperspectivewithj4458

5 жыл бұрын

Great videos man. If you can, please support my own channel. I've got some stuff on MoS and BvS myself.

@198866rahul

5 жыл бұрын

I must say ... you are so right about BVS

@198866rahul

5 жыл бұрын

I must say ... you are so right about BVS

Loved both Man of Steel and Batman V Superman. I was dissapointed with Justice League, It didn't even feel like a Snyder film or a sequel to MoS and BvS.

@evacody1249

5 жыл бұрын

Because they did a tone of reshoots with the other guy.

@mashane1900

5 жыл бұрын

Delain124 Joss Weeden

@DanKeatis

4 жыл бұрын

But it will. Soon. When WB #ReleaseTheSnyderCut ;)

@internetdinosaur8810

4 жыл бұрын

WE'RE FUCKING GETTING IT

@angel6713

4 жыл бұрын

Snyder cut is coming

*"He uses justice as a mask for revenge".* OMG dude, I love you. That's how I looked at Snyder's Batman. Best Caped Crusader ever.

@franjes9999

4 жыл бұрын

It was good but it wasn't better than Nolans or Burtons

@internetdinosaur8810

4 жыл бұрын

@@franjes9999 That's an unfair comparison. There's no "better" or "worse" Batman between Chris, Burton, and Snyder. They all tackle Batman in very different ways.

@franjes9999

4 жыл бұрын

@@internetdinosaur8810 I mean fair but even just comparing the Batman performances I'd say Keaton or Bale probably sit a bit ahead of Batfleck

@internetdinosaur8810

4 жыл бұрын

@@franjes9999 Subjective but ayt

@franjes9999

4 жыл бұрын

@@internetdinosaur8810 yeah it's just my opinion I can see why people may prefer other directors take on the film's. Like you said they're very different

man I'm so mad justice league threw away everything zack snyder was setting up for the next movies

@nikkoXmercado

6 жыл бұрын

Victor Rocha I think Joss Whedon ruined it.

@dannielopfull

6 жыл бұрын

If you can't take a bit of tragedy in your movies then its on you, don't blame it on the vision of an amazing director.

@dannyboyemt

6 жыл бұрын

jgfjgfify I guess you should stick to movies like Ryan Reynolds green lantern and Richard Donner superman movies then, it's right up your alley.

@treverp4938

6 жыл бұрын

Victor Rocha it didn’t though.You wanted Justice League to be dark? Lol get outa here.

@vixtorocha

6 жыл бұрын

Trever P just to be consistent

Batman realized in that moment what he verbalized in justice league "He is more human than I am" Zack snyder is a genius. That line from JL hit me hard.

@yayaooo

5 жыл бұрын

That's a scene Joss wrote

@agaw1845

5 жыл бұрын

@@yayaooo Since Ben Affleck is not chumby in that scene, it is likely a Zack Snyder scene

@yayaooo

5 жыл бұрын

Naw the entire side plot that makes the parademon go crazy is something Joss whedon added in reshoots

@agaw1845

5 жыл бұрын

@@yayaooo I know. But some reshoots are mix with original scene. You can't be too sure

@yayaooo

5 жыл бұрын

That could be a possibility, but remember the reshoots r shot across a considerable amount of time. Ben Affleck looked alright in the hanger scene which was completely reshot compared the opening scenes and Arthur scenes where he was noticably chubbier. And the starting part of the scene is also a reshot scene. It's entirely possible that this scene was assimilated from a Zack's scene

>First hated this movie. >Watched JL. ??? >Zack Synder, please dont leave DCEU to rot.

@tritonk1759

5 жыл бұрын

He was the one guy with a plan and WB shat all over it.

@brianj4201

5 жыл бұрын

TRITON K175 and it was different enough from Marvel to differentiate itself and do something cool in the process.

@The80sWolf_

5 жыл бұрын

@@brianj4201 And now they are going to "fun" and appealing to haters by making Joker somewhat a Ledger-Joker rehash.

@brianj4201

5 жыл бұрын

The 80's Wolf that and Shazam and the fact that James Gunn is directing that Suicide Squad reboot.

@The80sWolf_

5 жыл бұрын

@@brianj4201 I have a bad feeling about that. I like Gunns r-rated stuff he have done, like Slither and Super. But will they even let him go full out violent, or will they just make SS2 into a Guardians copy like they tried to do with SS1?

i actually wish justice league was alot more like Batman V Superman, for all the backlash that movie got i thought it was really good. Yeah it wasnt a quippy big action set piece the whole movie, it had depth and story.

@ariklion37

5 жыл бұрын

hahahahaa hahahhaha......hahahahaha jl had depth and story hahahahaa thanks mate you made my day

@wmmercenary2810

4 жыл бұрын

ariklion 37 thanks for being an MCU Stan!

@DivvayKhatri

4 жыл бұрын

@@ariklion37 it had more depth than all mcu movies. How about that kid?😂😂😂😂

@ariklion37

4 жыл бұрын

@@DivvayKhatri hahaha holy shit dude the fan boys in any side are funny as hell go watch joker if you want a good dc movie and probably 90% of mcu movies are better than jl scratch that 90% of all movies are better than jl stop embarassing yourself people

@DivvayKhatri

4 жыл бұрын

@@ariklion37 who the fuck calls jl a good movie? Wtf are you on about? I never even mentioned that absolute garbage shit show. Bruh you on dugs

If you watch man of steel followed by Batman vs Superman, it just make sense. It was amazing... those two movie just fit into the theme. But then came justice league, it doesn’t fit at all. I hope they will make another superman movie to complete the trilogy. Justice League can be regard as sidetrack.

@sidvyas9810

3 жыл бұрын

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@wildheart3899

3 жыл бұрын

@@sidvyas9810 my mannnnnn!

When i first watched bvs Ben Affleck’s batman didn’t feel like a new character to me at all i felt like i was watching him for years because he’s exactly the batman i know and love

@ITSAULGONE

3 жыл бұрын

Because he truly embodies the Batman from the comics and Animated series.

@jojo-nr5ir

3 жыл бұрын

@@ITSAULGONE exactly and ppl only use the killing excuse when the other batmen killed too

@zeeski7454

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, he's batman unhinged after years of fighting he's lost hope and wants to know his active weren't for nothing, that his parents didn't die for nothing.

@aidenpierce2482

2 жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the video? He's not exactly the noble and heroic Batman we can all instantly recognize. This Batman suffers severely from PTSD and is a compulsive drinker who is broken at his core Ben's Batman has been consumed by his immense anger that's he developed a strong sense of vindication towards criminality and Superman, as he forgoes his moral code due to countless years of fighting a relentless, yet ultimately futile crusade. Again, this is *not* the Batman we all know and love - this is not a Batman true to the mainline comics. Affleck's Batman is an elseworld take of the caped crusader. He's more so akin to TDKR's incarnation of the character (as Zack took *heavy* inspiration from that fantastic comic).

time by time more and more people understanding the film and its characters. One of the best superhero movie it is. loved it.

@night-seeker666

4 жыл бұрын

It's like Mask of the Phantasm: nobody gave a shit about it, or in the case of BVS outright bashed it, and people are slowly starting to understand it.

I love the bvs ultimate edition.

@Mohamad_49Gs

5 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure if i saw the ultimate edition the first time i saw the movie or not but yesterday i saw the ultimate edition and i don’t see any difference from the normal one i get that the ultimate edition is 3 hours but i still didn’t notice the different can you tell what was exactly in the ultimate edition but wasn’t in the normal one ?

@jthodges4741

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mohamad_49Gs Basically, all the plot points that didn't make sense are fixed in the Ultimate Edition. That, and Lex's plan is much easier to digest, along with it being hinted at that this is actually Lex Jr, though I prefer it being seen as a modernization of Lex himself. In behind the scenes clips, it states he is based off of Birthright Lex, which its a pretty great adaptation if that's the case The theatrical is a broken mess to me because nothing made sense, but the ultimate edition is a 10/10 for me

@viceregaldust3191

4 жыл бұрын

I watched it last night. It’s a masterpiece.

@850gaming2

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mohamad_49Gs yes there are some plot holes that are covered more in the Ultimate Ed., but honestly if you couldn't read between the lines and use context clues from the theatrical version, you need to expand your movie experiences

@Mohamad_49Gs

3 жыл бұрын

@@850gaming2 Nope I don’t need to

10 years by now, people are going to appreciate this film.

@bigbrogiant4

5 жыл бұрын

The ideas of this movie are complex and brilliant. Unfortunately, part of the execution really bogs this film down and prevents it from being the master piece it could have been.

@wmmercenary2810

4 жыл бұрын

bigbrogiant4 what execution?

@MutantsInDisguise

4 жыл бұрын

Keep lying to yourself. Snyder will keep bitching like a girl.

@benakinnusi2518

3 жыл бұрын

This movie is already a masterpiece just fucksticks cant understand it

@HelloThere-yy6lu

3 жыл бұрын

People already appreciate it, that's why we're getting the snyder cut.

I totally understood the whole Snyder's vision when i first saw the movie. Loved it ! Ultimate cut made me love the movie even more. Not gonna lie.. i watched BvS over 30 times thus far and i never got bored. Same goes for man of steel.

*Roby drops mic* Great video man, while there's been plenty of BvS commentary (I am by no means exempt from this), you really crafted an interesting niche in your discussion, and as a fan of the film, I couldn't agree more.

BVS to this day haunts me! I don't think only Batman is the villian. The idea of the destruction and people afraid of power is the antagonist. Lex Luthor has god complex and creates literal destruction Doomsday, US army literally tries to nuke the terrorists off to keep power in order, Batman tries to kill Superman becoz..(u have explained in the video). Literally everyone is trying to stop the violence by creating violence. Today I have seen JL and I am very disappointed with it. It's bad it's not a Zack Snyder movie.

@saulloll8547

5 жыл бұрын

I mean.... in our world isn't Violence fought with violence? Terrorists in your country? Imma bomb the f out of it?

Every act is a political act, one of my favourite quotes

@sidvyas9810

3 жыл бұрын

maybe he is just a guy trying to do the right thing

@doofer6863

2 жыл бұрын

Because it’s SO true

Man of Steel and BvS are my favorite films EVER made. EVER

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously? Those? Please watch more films.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

@alexander soelaiman Alright. We have our opinions, I’ve seen these movies, and there are some great things in them, but I also see some bad things in them. I didn’t say they were completely terrible movies, at the level of Batman & Robin, Superman IV or so on, but I could never fathom them being on the same level as the movies you listed, because they are some of the greatest works of film period, and have either simple or complex stories where the directors knew their vision and were able to put time into making whatever they could do matter. For Batman vs Superman in particular, it felt like eight movies jammed into one, and had a Luthor that I saw was trying too hard to be as good as Heath Ledger’s Joker.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

@alexander soelaiman We can agree to disagree.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

@alexander soelaiman I disagree with you, but you can think all you want.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

@Yagami Eren Well I thought, that this movie especially was a giant mess, and had like eight films jammed into one. This is a film that was more focused on setting up so much instead of telling a cohesive story, that sets things up in an intricate way.

It's easy to hate something when everybody else hates it.

@egrizly

6 жыл бұрын

Gin mob mentality

@delbaethmidir3533

6 жыл бұрын

It's even easier to praise something that divided audiences and act like you deserve a bloody medal over it.

@jaredmartin7040

6 жыл бұрын

Gin Some people act like BvS is the worst movie ever,it's far from it

@gin3868

6 жыл бұрын

Jared Martin the movie would have been great if the execution had been as great, bc it wasn't the movie is too contracted and not easy to follow, it was a good story with bad storytellers telling it in my opinion had the plot been executed differently it would have been better I think

@iammclovin9064

6 жыл бұрын

Gin the movie was bad. Stop being a little bitch about it.

Batman vs Superman had one of the coolest themes going: heroes becoming heroes again. Batman shakes off his darkness. Wonder Woman starts caring for humanity again. If that ain't fist-pumping stuff I don't know what is.

@bemasaberwyn55

3 жыл бұрын

Her entrance and the formation of the Trinity were the moment my head exploded from far too much awesome

An excellent breakdown of what I believe to be an absolute masterpiece. Even singling out some of the most important lines. You do really have to pay attention to dialogue in Zack Snyder's movies as lines are so specifically placed to build the character arcs. One of the most important lines wasn't even spoken by any main character. When Clark Kent is investigating in Gotham he strikes up a conversation with two people about the whereabouts of the lady who testified before congress about the desert killings. The man cautions him to leave Gotham or he may be in danger, referring to Batman, and the lady replies "Only people scared of him got reason to be." The incorruptible Batman. Subtle but poignant. This will always be my favorite superhero movie because I "get it". Very disappointed with how things turned out with Justice League. A lot of shady things went down and that's a damn shame. #ReleasetheSnyderCut!!

@thesmartonesback2650

3 жыл бұрын

OK it wasn't a masterpiece batmans motivation seem like the typical reason bad guys want to get rid of good aliens, and there is nothing they disagree on. You should watch filmento it is a movie channel the video called why bvs failed and civil war successed or smth like that explains this. Also the only thing he doesn't understand is the Martha moment but everything else is point.

@unSelf21

3 жыл бұрын

@@thesmartonesback2650 Batman and Superman disagree on a lot of things in this movie! Are you kidding me? Their approach on how to help people couldn't be further apart. But their goal is the same. Do you really think Batman would show up to a Congressional hearing? Bwahaha!!! Not a chance. But Superman did because he plays by the rules. Batman does the things that need to get done to cut through the shit and get the job done and that violates civil liberties. Clark brings this up in his conversation with Bruce at Lex's party. Clark sees Batman as a reckless vigilante and Bruce sees Superman as a threat to all mankind. Did you actually watch the movie? But now the Snyder cut has been released and is now my #1 favorite movie ever.

@VERA-po4gl

2 жыл бұрын

Snyder Cut is on sale now! In HBO Max too. IT WAS AN SPECTACULAR 4 hours MOVIE 😎👏👏👏

I for one like the fact that man of steel and bvs felt like a different movie experience than a mcu film.

Snyders amazing vision has been ruined by critics and people complaining about this film. Warner Bros bowed to the pressure and because of that justice league wasn’t what it should of been. Its not the deep, philosophical story it should have been. I hate people for doing this.

@juicegaming2974

4 жыл бұрын

The Vault: Film & Games Reviews it’s because marvel has brainwashed everyone, making them think that’s a “realistic” superhero movie. Smh

@night-seeker666

4 жыл бұрын

@@juicegaming2974 They're probably (emphasis on probably) the type of people that claim the Adam West Batman TV show ruined Batman.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

Juicegaming That is totally not the case. People want to watch a good film, and this film was just average. I don’t hate it, I just don’t see it as a masterpiece.

Haters of this film also need to watch Twin Perfect's 3 part analysis of BvS.

@jdbeast

5 жыл бұрын

sifat shams I second this!

@blaze3976

5 жыл бұрын

You know even when they watch it, they won't have the balls to admit that they were wrong. That's what haters do

@jorawesummme609

4 жыл бұрын

Blaze were not hater and wrong, we just have lives, feelings, and opinions.

"If you have to say 'I am the king', then you are no true king."

@sidvyas9810

3 жыл бұрын

and then hear me roar in a toilet

WELL DONE ! Ignore the hate. You're right.

@alexlee2581

5 жыл бұрын

That’s a terrible mentality you have going there

@jj56067

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexlee2581 ignoring haters is a bad mentality dumbest comment award goes to 😱

@jaylemiere7283

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexlee2581 and jay ok well its not a mentality its ignoring the hate people give u so u can have better confidence for yourself im pretty sure u two lack that

@jaylemiere7283

4 жыл бұрын

@@jj56067 u guys say that because u care about what people say and u take that to say bvs sucks cause other people dislike what a bad mentality

@jaylemiere7283

4 жыл бұрын

@@jj56067 thats what superman does ignores the hate and still does good vecause he saves what hates him u cant debunk that

Love the movie. Brave choice by Snyder. Having a Batman that isn't Batman anymore and a Superman that isn't Superman yet. The least acceptable versions of the two heroes but the most interesting and realistic.

I think the only issues with these films were outside of Snyder's control, those being rushed production and way too many subplots crammed into the film for the sake of expanding the DCEU, and we all know who made all the decisions. The impatient WB, they're the ones that screwed over this film. And don't even get me started on Justice League... Ugh.

@flux9433

Жыл бұрын

i see you are a very big fan of DC!

I love this video so much. It’s been so hard for me to try and convey these things to people, and it’s funny, people make fun of this film for being so dark and grim, but they are the ones too bitter and cynical to see all the good in this film (the ultimate cut).

The Snyder Cut is happening! Let’s go! They are releasing the Snyder cut.

I'm glad someone understands. Good vid man.

This is fantastic mate, it's incredible to see how far you've come since I first saw your Spider-Man video. I completely echo your sentiments. This movie wasn't afraid to break trope and show us that in our world, superheroes wouldn't save us, but remembering the values that superheroes teach us is what propels Batman's arc in this movie. I can't wait to see you hit a million subs mate, you're definitely getting there.

@ghrimsaad

6 жыл бұрын

Nolan Dean The themes in BvS are interesting and everything but my god the execution is awful.Why does Lex hate supes , how does Lex do anything with the Space Ship,why does Bats decide to have a 1v1 in an open area when he could easily try to ambush supes since Martha​ got kidnapped w/o ticking of supes,why is Lex trying to scare criminals by killing those with the bat stamp,why does supes think bats is responsible for the deaths of the criminals,why show us the failed robbery of the kryptonite but not the successful one(and why have 2 in the first place).These thing don't matter much when you're trying to be a light hearted comedy,but if you wanna be dark and smart you gotta make sense.

@tolstoy8124

6 жыл бұрын

+ ghrimsaad This movie does have some flaws, but none of them have to do with any of what you have listed. Almost all of the answers to your questions are in the film. 1. Lex's motivation? Were you sleeping when Lex literally explained his disdain for gods. "If god is all powerful, he isn't all good" & "If God is all good he isn't all powerful". Those lines are one of the most philosphical lines I have ever heard to be honest. 2. One reason would be that. The kryptonian ship recogonized Zod's body. He was in with Lex. Again, this is rather a minor detail. 3.I don't even understand what you are on about with "1 v 1" thing. This doesn't even make any sense. 4.To get superman and batman to square off. Superman was the happy good good guy. Batman was the good bad type of guy. Please watch the film, the extended. 5. Seriously? You didn't hear the lines about Bats condemning the people to die or anything in the news and through alfred? 6. In regards to the robbery: This is not even a valid criticism. This is upto the director and personal biases. 7. Yeah..like literally every shitty films Marvel has shitted out recently. Mark my words, marvel is gonna get shittier and shittier. The superhero franchise will die like the westerns. Why because its the same shit, same tone, nothing different, all mediocre films. This is meant to be a comic book movie. Ask yourself, if you were to translate raganrok and BvS into two different comic book, which one will read and feel like a comic book? Definitely not Raganrok.

@dc7981

6 жыл бұрын

Nolan Dean Please dont ever become a movie critic

@NolanDean

6 жыл бұрын

Sure. Why would I want to be anyway?

@captainamerica6545

6 жыл бұрын

I loved BvS

Batman V. Superman was all about character development. Batman needed an on screen moment to show his brilliance and problem solving abilities so that he could be a believable leader in the Justice League movie. Being skeptical of Superman was completely in Bruce Wayne's character. It was interesting to see Batman actually fighting to kill, as this is something that Batman would not normally do. In his mind Bruce was actually fighting for all of humanity as he was convinced that Superman was the greatest threat Earth had ever faced. He wasn't acting with moral ambiguity. He had absolute conviction. Once he saw the humanity within Superman he quickly changed his mind. They instantly understood and respected each other in that moment. Man of Steel was all about character growth and Superman coming to terms with his powers and abilities. Batman V. Superman was all about Batman coming to term with his place in the world after the arrival of Superman.

@agaw1845

5 жыл бұрын

To me, this is a Batman movie that feature Superman. The whole movie is driven by Batman as a character

@clarkkent9009

5 жыл бұрын

So Batman was in moron mode when Superman was fighting Zod, being that at the end the army was even fighting along side with Superman to defeat zod and company.

@cosmicdream17

4 жыл бұрын

The thing is, Superman feels like a passive character in this movie. He just mopes, broods and acts exasperated. He loses all of his inherent hope completely. I get that the Government was vehemently against him & Luthor was instigating the masses against him, but still, he had no uplifting moments at all. No scenes with levity, or optimism.

@captainmarvelwilson508

3 жыл бұрын

Apart from Batman, where is the character development? Most of the other characters are very static and don’t learn anything throughout the film. Lex Luthor in this movie is also not intimidating at all. He felt more like Jim Carrey’s Riddler and not the character from the cartoons who is more clever.

@kartikadewi3270

3 жыл бұрын

@@cosmicdream17 gods among us scene

Brilliant video! I agree to basically everything you pointed out. I wish I could find more videos like this. So thank you for making this!

1,4k people don't appreciate othee people's opinions.

Martha to Clark : "People hate what they don't understand.." I love BVS and man of steel.

@mayotango1317

4 жыл бұрын

You not know DC.

@night-seeker666

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayotango1317 So, because he likes something you don't he doesn't know DC? Get off your high horse, Eastwood.

@mayotango1317

4 жыл бұрын

@@night-seeker666 Like many crazy one say that the Fox's X Men are true to the comics.

@night-seeker666

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayotango1317 When did he ever say this was from the comics? He just likes the movie, get over it. I love Endgame, but if somebody says they didn't like it, I'll be fine with it, as it is THEIR opinion and it doesn't hurt me.

@jojo-nr5ir

3 жыл бұрын

@@mayotango1317 dont be a bitch lmaooo

About last two weeks ago, someone called me Mental illness fanboy in a KZread video's comment section just because of what i said. I said yes, MoS and BvS are actually great movies and i can watch again and again without getting bored. Believe me, that wasn't even an argument against him, that was my reply to other person in that section. Great video btw.

@sidvyas9810

3 жыл бұрын

nolan batman is weak and so silly.....movie was great because of joker and harvey dent plot but batman?...well he needs some cough syrup

Fantastic video - and you raise some points that I hadn't considered, including the significance of the costume change from BvS to JL as a visual metaphor for the return of traditional Batman.

I think you give audiences too little credit. People don't dislike BvS because it was tragic. The Toby Maguire Spiderman films, the Dark Knight Trilogy, and Logan were all smash hits, more so than their happier counterparts. I might argue that their sadness and darkness actually contributed to that success.

@IndecisiveJR

6 жыл бұрын

Chad Wilson the Spider-Man trilogy and Dark knight and Logan weren’t complex their great films and are intelligently made but they aren’t complex. The Spider-Man trilogy and dark knight in particular beat you over the head with the message of the overall film I mean how many times was “with great power comes great responsibility” stated in those movies and how many monologues did Tobey speak summing up the moral or lesson the films were trying to teach. As for dark knight how many times does Alfred state the purpose or batman or what it means to be a hero or how he sees the Joker (some men just want to watch the world burn). Logan is great but it’s pretty straight forward for the most part. The only thing that separates it from other films is it’s an ending to Logan’s story, the characters besides X-23 and the other children die, and it’s more of a father daughter story. These films for as great as they are made all their points, dilemmas, and morals abundantly clear and very little is ever subtle with those movies.

@jearn11

6 жыл бұрын

J-Rich I didn't say anything about complexity. I was contending with the statement towards the end of the video that suggested audiences don't like BvS because of its tragedy. That being said, I think the Dark Knight Trilogy is fantastically and technically complex as a film. But it's not subtle, if that's what you mean. It seems like you're confusing "complexity" with both "subtlety" and "darkness" here.

@SmedZeppelin

6 жыл бұрын

J-Rich I think there is a difference between subtle themes and projecting a theme onto the movie. The movies you mention might beat you over the head with their messages but at least they are consistent in them. MoS and BvS show signs of trying to hold up an actual point and theme, but they are too inconsistent as to whether or not they actually want to follow through with them for them to really mean anything and run their points home

@IndecisiveJR

6 жыл бұрын

SmedZeppelin Man of Steel’s theme was the idea that Jor-el saw Superman had the potential to be a symbol of hope and though many people will fall and stumble (Batman and humanity) they will eventually follow you (Justice League). Batman v superman was Batman’s movie for the most part and the story of his redemption as well as humanity’s so while man of Steel in my mind is from the viewpoint of the protagonist or Superman, much of batman v superman is from the viewpoint of batman and humanity and their redemption and the idea that batman, Wonder Woman etc. have the potential to be better than killers and the tragedies that caused them to lose their faith in heroism and the idea humanity isn’t worth it. I’m not seeing the inconsistency? I’m not a dceu fanboy and act like the film doesn’t have its flaws and I do like the mcu as well, but as far as the themes of these movies they are done well (besides Suicide Squad which didn’t have one and Wonder Woman who screwed it up in the third act).

@darkknightdoctrine

6 жыл бұрын

100% agree. The reason the dark knight trilogy was so successful was because it took a risk of going to dark. And it was great, the character batman in those films were great, joker was great. All because it made sense and the dark sides of the movie made sense. Batman v Superman just got all that stuff wrong in trying to do so. BvS could have been better in that way but failed.

A note about the Martha thing. Sups saying the name like Thomas Wayne made Batman realise that he was no better than the guy who mercilessly killed his parents in the gutter. He became the one thing he swore to fight against. Hence the anger.

@kyoki86

4 жыл бұрын

I think most ppl understood that but they still wanted to hate the film so they disregarded that to make jokes.

I love Snyder's vision of Batman

Another great video. Good job man

BvS is a masterpiece! My love for this movie increases exponentially every time i see this movie again and I've watched it like countless time.

@clarkkent9009

5 жыл бұрын

A Masterpiece? Seriously? The Darknight, Braveheart, Saving Private Ryan are a Masterpeaces. Don't throw that word around on a movie so easy.

@mahmoudanas6220

5 жыл бұрын

@@clarkkent9009 BVS was a good movie not a masterpiece but was really good

@westmcgee9320

5 жыл бұрын

Clark Kent I almost agree but there are layers and dialogue in this movie that are incredibly under appreciated. Repeated viewings have also increased my appreciation of it. Maybe I’ll split the difference and say it has masterful moments but I don’t think it’s a complete exaggeration that it is a masterpiece. Lex’s lines with Supes are excellent moments to revisit.

@clarkkent9009

5 жыл бұрын

@@westmcgee9320 I understand a lot of movies have great moments, but it has to be good or great completely. You not have too watch a movie five times to come to conclusions that it's a great movie or a good one. You should get that impression when you walk out the theater the first time.

@MatekThe

5 жыл бұрын

@@clarkkent9009 you are totally wrong. Movies that you have a few times to understand are great movies (interstellar, inception, shark island, watchmen etc). Now bvs is in this, i swear everytime i watch the UE its better and better. I couldnt do that on any marvel movie. I watched infinity war once and i dont have the need to watch it again because it gets boring.

this video aged like a fine wine . now this movie has a cult following !!!

I love your video and I'm at the point where I watch it for comfort now

This is a really good video. It makes me sad that Snyder didn't get to finish his vision for DC movies

@night-seeker666

4 жыл бұрын

Good news! (Which you probably already know) He's releasing his version of Justice League!

@bupemwenya9794

3 жыл бұрын

Lex Luthor: The Snyder Cut is coming😂🔥

In a perfect world Batman wouldn't kill, Superman would be loved all over, and lex luthor would be played by Brian Cranston. But the real world isn't perfect.

Super amazing video, keep it up!

Now that I think about it, Snyder gave Batman the one thing that Batman has wanted the most- to not let anyone else feel the pain of their parents' death.

FINALLY someone said what i think! Oh god! I already start to think making a video about it, but you have done it perfectly, my friend!

Great essay. I thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts and I really have fond thoughts for Batman V Superman: Ultimate Cut.

Awesome video! 🤙

Great video man

I also had same thought in my mind and you conveyed it beautifully

The problem is people nowadays are too stupid to watch an actual movie where you have to actually pay attention an think ...

Nice video! Loved BVS!

Dude I just can't stop watching your videos there soo good.

I loved Batman v Superman. People actually applauded it in the theater the two times I went to see it. But I agree, it’s not for everyone.

I actually love the move. So glad to see some put up video on it.

I never hated BvS. I understand and love it from the first viewing. And I'm glad that people are finally understanding this.

You called it word for word dude. Snyder also said at a recent fan meetup that while his intention with Watchmen was to deconstruct superhero’s in general BvS was also meant to deconstruct the very characters.

@The80sWolf_

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

I loved it. I think that it would be better if it din't have to tie in directly into Justice League. For general audience there are few problems beside studio involvement. One: Snyder does not make movies. He animates comics. You could screenshot every scene from BvS, paste it into comics panel and it would not look out of place. Two: most people do not want to accept to what level Bruce Wayne is damaged and broken. Neurotic hunt for Superman, extreme violence, abrupt Martha mood swing... Those are all signs of deeply deranged person. It is hard to comprehend what looks like to spend 20 years of fighting crime and loosing that battle, loosing friends, witnessing lowest human desires. "One bad day away from being me". That bad day did happen to Bruce. From Justice League trailers I came to conclusion that Bruce is not as damaged anymore. I can suspend belief for flying aliens with laser eyes and indestructible goddess and what not but if Bruce goes from full on psycho to friendly neighbor Batman in less then 10 years and without heavy medication, well, that's too much for me.

Great video analysis of the film I BvS is the kind of film that expands on the superhero genre for all the reasons you brought up.

These movies will remain in our hearts and will be the talking point in superhero genres.

I was watching another BvS vid, where someone actually comments that the MCU is action, spy, comedy, buddy cop films with comic characters . However, Zach Snyder makes cimics brought to life. The REAL comic movies. I find your ideas in that vein

It's a misunderstood masterpiece I love it so much people just hate what they don't understand

Bvs is a good movie released with wrong time and improper story timing

It's such a deep and complex story a different approach to the characters even in the detail of everything from the dialogue and interactions and Easter eggs are still being pointed out in depth to this day its such a misunderstood masterpiece

Here's what another KZreadr said about BVS in a Nutshell: "The Batman in BVS is no longer Batman, and Superman is NOT Superman, yet". What that means is Snyder's vision was intentionally set up this way. He wanted Superman with no experience, raw, and taken from the perspective of the world, and how the world would portray a being capable of destroying the entire planet. Snyder wanted MOS to BECOME Superman in the following sequals. Batman/Bruce Wayne lost everything. His parents, his friends, Robin. Think about that. This is a Broken Batman. BVS was about HIS redemption, and coming back to the Batman we once knew. I highly recommend the ultimate addition.

It would have been an *amazing* movie if they didn't try to shove so many plots in one film. Batman going against superman was more than enough already. I honestly refuse to believe that it was Zack's idea- he is a great director and should know that it just doesn't work, not with so many major plots taking place at once. Regardless- I loved the film despite it's glaring flaws, and the darker setting was definitely my favorite part. Would watch again.

@barcarolleenjoyer

6 жыл бұрын

Tristan Gray I disagree. Snyder makes amazing visuals, but movies like Sucker Punch demonstrate to me that he values visuals over the actual story, as it is a movie which attempts to juggle multiple dream sequences together (potential for spectacular visuals) but doesn't really succeed.

@TrenchMan93

5 жыл бұрын

Tristan Gray I find your argument more agreeable, I think wb and Snyder had an idea but it got muddled down in production.

@jaylemiere7283

4 жыл бұрын

Well it was a man of steel aftershock but the only plot boles there were was doomsday and the justice league that shouldnt have been there

@jtcob8486

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, there's little reason that wonder woman, doomsday, the knightmare and the flash time travel scene is in the films, and the ultimate edition doesn't help by keeping those scenes and adding *ANOTHER* one with the steppenwolf scene. Not to help by the character butchering of Jimmy olsen.

@odin175lorenz5

4 жыл бұрын

@@barcarolleenjoyer he tells the story with the visuals like in painting in general.

title should be "Why Marvel Fans are Wrong"

Great work.

Snyder wants to throw these heroes to our world this is so TRUE

@panthergod

5 жыл бұрын

Superman does NOT lower himself to the world's cynicism.. He inspire humanity through his selflessness. He believes in humanity and his purpose. Snyder man is a self loathing coward ho states Superman was never real. That is NOT Superman. Period.

@lightninghood7876

5 жыл бұрын

@@panthergod have you ever wondered the why in Superman ideals. Why does he have faith in mankind. The goal Snyder was to create the character's beliefs from the ground up instead of the middle, also when Zack made bvs he says" when Superman does the right thing he tried not to be political, but that is a impossible because it's a political world there was no him being good every action has a reaction" he in man of steel may have chosen to be a hero ,but in bvs the world has not decided if they want him to be that makes him doubt if owns the world anything how would you be like if you were a alien that question your every move at the end Superman sacrifice himself for a world that hated him. Superman ain't about a guy with God like powers that saves the world, he is about morality, about have God like powers and chosing how to use it

@The80sWolf_

4 жыл бұрын

@@panthergod But the character have to grow, can't just have a complete 100% "Real Superman" before he is not even challenged in a story arc or as a character. Then there is no point in even writing characters, can just have him fly around and save cats from trees and people while fighting the bad guy of the week, never challenged as a character.

@panthergod

4 жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ growing into heroism is fine.. being a self evident misanthrope who NEVER became an authentic honorable ethical hero with confidence and conviction under Snyder is against everything the character represents at his best

BvS can be seen as deep as you want it to be. To me it is a true experience of a live action comic book novel with a ”dark”, realistic Nolan:verse meeting scifi. Snyder makes visual storytelling as a art.

I loved this movie. "if we there is even a 1% chance he is our enemy we must take it as a certainty." Batman is correct in that assertion. He is just incorrect, there is a 0% chance that Superman is the enemy. That's the point Batman can't understand at this point. And the Martha point is soooo valid. This is the one flaw in Luther's plan that no-one could have foreseen and accounted for. Who would have connected the fact that both Clark's and Bruce's mothers' names were the same? And that was the trigger for Bruce, something that no-one would have foreseen and accounted for. Genius!

I once needed a prop for a short film that I was working on. The cover of the "Book of the Dead", a major plot device, so needless to say it needed to look good. I was incredibly low budget at the time, so I asked my grandfather for help. My grandfather was an incredible artist and painter, gladly obliging. I gave him the instruction to "Draw a face on the cover". My grandfather gave me back the book a week later, with a design on it that looked nothing like a face, with seven eyes and dark spirals. Although I didn't tell him, I was disappointed... But I naturally grew to love it. Zach Snyder reminds me of my grandfather nearly every time I watch Batman vs. Superman, because it is Snyder's vision of what he wants Batman and Superman to be. He doesn't fully understand the comics (like Burton and Nolan), so he took a wildly creative route and made it his own. He took incredibly strange liberties with the medium to benefit the story, even if it didn't fit the characters established in the comics whatsoever. He is an artist who can't help but stray, who doesn't want to fit the norm perfectly. With all of this meme-ing of BvS, we forget that Snyder is a professional, who, in my opinion from watching these films, actually gave a shit in making them, and that deserves some sort of credit. The problem with these films is that corporate bloodhounds wanted this trilogy to kick off an expanded universe, so the expectations from the audience were raised exponentially. A revision that would not only make THE DEFINITIVE versions of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, but would accomplish what the Marvel films set up with 20 movies in just 3. Think about it... If the Nolan Batman saga was going to "kick off a cinematic universe", it wouldn't work either, and in fact, the 89 Batman (in which Batman kills far more directly than in BvS) would have worked better. If DC just realized that they thrive with bold and brave artistically talented directors (like Burton, Nolan and yes, Snyder) they could have made a separated, isolated, almost else-world trilogy that would have made quite the mark, just as the Nolan and Burton series have. Hell, if the planet never heard of "Bat-man" or "Super-Man", this film would have been a billion times more understood. It wouldn't have accumulated a hype train that was far too monstrous to stop. It wouldn't have had to compete with an already incredibly successful cinematic universe. It wouldn't have to pay so much respect to the source material as people expect from superhero films. In that parallel world, Snyder would have made good movies, hell, probably great movies. And in a time where superhero films being uncreative and unimaginative sells hard, and creative and imaginative films get royally shit on, I'm worried as to what this means for the future of DC.

How come those that seem to not understand this movie at all, are always very young? I notice that as a common pattern.

In my opinion the reason why BVS was not well received was because we could not connect ourselves to the characters. We were introduced to new characters like bruce wayne without any major context of what he is going through. The bruce which we see in the movie who has been batman for several years which lead to his ideas of not believing everyone . Due to his character changes he is now okay with killing people .But we as a audience do not know what those situations are which led the symbol of justice go into a massive killing spree. This is something that captain america civil war beautifully uses to its advantage. We already know what are the motives of cap from previous films like winter soldier. We know why iron man is so in grief about sokovia accords because he was the one who built ultron. But in BVS all we see is an angry old billionaire fighting an alien from space. if u think i am wrong pls correct me.

@night-seeker666

4 жыл бұрын

I like the way you see it.

@kartikadewi3270

3 жыл бұрын

kk mm well you are not wrong, that is true. Character development through 10 years. But I personally resonate with Batman and Superman in the DCEU because I don't have a lot of happy lucky fortunes like Iron Man, Captain America,Thor,Spiderman,Hulk,Black Widow,Hawkeye and guardians of the galaxy. I always end up being a horrible person like Batman but then I was saved by someone that I feel Inspired from Superman. TLDR, Your opinion is still not wrong but I personally resonate and connect with these 2 characters in my life.

Nope. It’s not that audiences weren’t willing to embrace a movie that wasn’t escapism, as Logan got the appreciation it deserved, it’s that Zack Snyder confuses complicated plot with deeper meaning. Batman’s arc is fantastic and should have been in it’s own movie, but it gets weighed down by pointless cameos, dream sequences, political subplots and setup for future movies. Hidden inside this film is a great Batman story, but BvS fails because it didn’t pull off what the title promised. It got the Batman part right, but it dropped the ball on Vs Superman (and don’t get me started on the subtitle).

@IndecisiveJR

6 жыл бұрын

UncleBourban Okay. Logan wasn’t anything special in terms of the story. It’s a fantastic movie but it’s pretty straight forward. Take your daughter/this girl to a safe location to get her out of the hands of so and so. It’s not a complicated story. Last of us pretty much had the story with way more depth to it than Logan. Batman v Superman has so many videos analyzing the themes of religious symbolism, analyzing the cinematography, What each shot means and why the director shot the angle in this specific way, how the film impacted them as viewers in general, analyzing the problem of evil in the world which philosophers still talk about today and people are still analyzing this film a year later. Logan is too simplistic to do anything like this.

@Jedislayer_

6 жыл бұрын

You got it wrong. Batman V Superman is the title not Batman Vs Superman. There is a difference.

@Matt-rm5ir

6 жыл бұрын

Religious symbolism, oh yeah you mean how they keep obviously spamming everyone with the fact that Superman is Jesus. Yeah, that isn't hard to figure out since it's handled so blatantly, whoever needed to "analyze" that probably hasn't seen too many films. The movie had ambitious goals, yeah, but just because you have ambition doesn't mean you fulfilled that ambition. BVS didn't. It stumbled with execution and writing. The visuals are cool but they don't do anything above and beyond. There's no complex meaning behind most of them, they're pretty straightforward. This isn't a hard film to understand. The people defending this movie go on the argument that people are too dumb to get it, implying that they are superior mentally, which is why they enjoyed it. Because they "understood" it. Much like how Batman from TDKR said it, "They know, they just don't care." If you understood it, props to you, sorry I don't understand stupid. The movie didn't earn any of the emotion it tried to evoke from the audience. It tried so hard to sell other films, set up pointless subplots with some characters, and really try to force motivation for Superman to fight Batman (yeah, that wasn't good writing). The characters are boring! Lois Lane's plotline here pretty much has no actual effect on the story, as she ends up being something for Superman to save...again. It's just there to pad out an already long runtime. Superman is a bland character who is just always depressed. Just because you have a depressed character doesn't mean we always feel bad for him, we have to care about him first. We don't really care about Clark at all. A lot of that has to do with the attempted realism here. This movie takes itself WAY too seriously to the point it's even laughable. Even the director acknowledged how silly it looks having Batman and Superman HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH EACH OTHER. They try to make Superman relatable, but they just keep mentioning how he is an ALIEN and is a GOD. None of that is relatable. The movie just shoves Wonder Woman in here...because we have to have that cool shot in the trailer. She is here for no reason at all. Only to help set up Justice League. Lex Luthor apparently hated his father but hated God more for allowing his father to do things to him or abuse him. Okay, but when you have all the money in the world and all that power, is that really enough of a motivation for this guy to kill Superman? I doubt it. Especially establishing an overly convoluted plot to have two guys battle it out, only to have a big CGI mess monster destroy the city after that anyway, so what was the point? It would have made more sense if Luthor was intimidated by Superman's power over him, and Luthor wanted to prove that he could play God too. He just wants to feel that power. So he creates Doomsday to kill Superman. That would make more sense than what we got. And there are literally hundreds of thousands of analysis videos on pretty much every film out there. BVS isn't the only film that has tried these things. It isn't the only one that failed at it either. How does this film analyze the problem with evil in the world? Because there is a bad guy in it? Because Batman is kind of a bad person? Because evil things happen? If that is the case, then every superhero movie does the same thing. That is a dumb argument and this movie, in no way, exploits the problem of evil in the world. BVS isn't a deep film, it just isn't. It is a big mess of a movie that doesn't focus on one thing throughout. It tries to mash all these things together but fails at all of them. Batman has cool moments, but overall, he is an idiot. Superman is a dull character played by a dull actor. Lois' storyline is bad. Superman has no motivation to fight Batman that makes sense, it is forced. Much like the rest of the film. The nightmare sequences are absolutely retarded. It's an excuse to tease Dark Seid and Flash to set up Justice League. Also, this is just a nightmare Bruce has. Are you telling me this is enough for him to be like "yep, I'm killing him." And say what you want about Logan, but it told its story very well. Much better than whatever BVS was doing. It focused on his narrative and it's narrative only. There is a thing with film, you either tell a simple story with complex characters or a complex story with simple characters. Logan told a simple story with complex characters. Logan struggled with depression, suicidal thoughts, and an overall struggle to move on with his life. Every day, he is reminded of how bad things have gotten, especially everytime he looks at Xavier, who has pretty much fallen off the deep end. And there is a foreshadowed backstory there with him wiping out a bunch of mutants at the school. Their chemistry together works as well as the dialogue. The two are great actors giving solid performances. Logan keeps it's gritty, realistic tone throughout. It shows how comic book movies can mature, and that they can tell good stories with good characters that aren't just for children. They can tell a different side to these characters, one that isn't glorified in a colorful comic book (as referenced in the film). You care about Logan, Xavier and the girl. Especially at the well-deserved emotional ending, which had people in tears. It was a great story and a good send off to the character. BVS has none of that. Cavill is a bad actor. The dialogue is so awful in this film, it's cringe-worthy. Nobody in this movie, besides Bruce and Alfred, have good chemistry. Amy Adams and Cavill have no chemistry at all. They literally have to have her say that they're "in love" in order for the audience to know. We never really see them connect with one another, we never see them talk, flirt, laugh or anything. You know, what people in the "real world" do. Not everyone is depressed 24/7. We see them smile and makeout for like 5 seconds in a tub. Real subtle. Superman struggles with the same conflict again. He doesn't know if he should save people or not, so he basically gets the answer from his father in a flashback. This dumb plotline could have been trashed in order to flesh out his motivation for fighting Batman. And when Superman is killed, no one felt anything. We all knew he wasn't dead, and him dying felt so forced and unearned. After 10 minutes of a funeral scene, he is alive. Shocker. BVS is too incompetent to do what Logan did. Hell, Logan was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay at the Oscars. How's that for "simplistic." I heard BVS had a few Razzie noms. That's totally the thinking man's film.

@HetanshuBharadiya

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly. If people spent just that much amount of time and effort in finding things that are genuinely good about a movie, it would be so much easier on people like Snyder, who painstakingly pull together what I find to be, a masterpiece, only to have it see ridiculous and borderline stupid hatred without even actually stating facts favoring their opinions.

@bigboy-oi3xi

6 жыл бұрын

There is a TON of Christian imagery in this movie. Find a video on YT about it. Sndyer prefers visual storytelling to spoonfed exposition, and people are not used to that anymore. Marvel pumps out simple and predictable haHAA funny films every year, but DC take the bold option of making a gritty film. If this movie came out 10 years ago people would have lost their god damm minds. Reconsider what you believe makes a good movie, because most Marvel films could be played as an audiobook and still understood.

The music is some how perfect for this video

This movie didn't upset audiences it upset critics. Audiences thought this movie was okay, critics hated it. And no Batman isn't the villain, he is an anti hero. Great video btw your absolutely correct this has inspired me to make my own analysis on the character.

Thank you for making this video! Your comments are SO on point, if only more people could see that. I absolutely loved the movie, and everyone should admire the bravery Zack had with that film and such iconic characters... It’s not 10/10, but it is a decent 8.

@motherfuckernation

3 жыл бұрын

@alexander soelaiman respect 👊🏻

@kartikadewi3270

3 жыл бұрын

@@motherfuckernation in my opinion, BVS UE is 10/10 PERFECT.and It is my favourite movie ever

@filmpalace2426

3 жыл бұрын

@@kartikadewi3270 It is near perfection, and it's also my favorite movie of all time.

@kartikadewi3270

3 жыл бұрын

@@filmpalace2426 well, in my opinion, It is a perfect movie 10/10

Yo I am an absolute fanboy for superman and I after all thesd years have come to love man of steel, henry cavills superman, and bens batman, and still hold hope that the dceu can find its stride

Dude this is awesome

First video I’ve seen of yours, and I love it. Excellent analysis. Thank you for posting this!

Brother this video touched me on an emotional level. Can I post this on FB if I attach link to your video. You'll get some new audience and views, all hardcore fans

@alexlee2581

5 жыл бұрын

Don’t bubble yourself with people who only agree with you. That’s gonna lead to some problems eventually

Just wanted to say, wonderful job on the analysis. This is the first time I've seen a video defending BvS.I think your points are very clear, concise and correct. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to your next one!

I absolutely agree. I think people just don't understand DC and their dark approach. I personally love it because it's so deep and thoughtful. Just seeing how Lex Luthor's portrayed shows you that. And I am glad that someone's understood what that whole Martha thing was about. Bruce didn't stop himself because he thought it was cute their mothers had the same name. Bruce stopped because he realised Superman wasn't just Superman. He realised he was Clark Kent. A human being. More human than he'd been. That's what made him stop.

Fantastic analysis

Wow as a person that thinks BvS is a C+ movie at best, this was the most enlightening commentary I have seen on the film. You did a better job breaking this down than even Warner Brothers. I like your points about the full circle (or kind of) ride with Batman and what I think is really key and Snyder probably has to be better about this, is that he expects his audiences to know. I really want to put some time aside to watch the movie again (has to be directors cut). I enjoyed the Martha scene as Bruce “comes back to his senses” of sorts but always liked that scene that shows that bond between Supes and Bats. It may not make me like the movie any more but this can make me appreciate the vision better. Thank you.

Hey, dudes! Thanks for the awesome comments. Anyway, my JUSTICE LEAGUE rant/review is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zneox7yies2ndqQ.html

@fortheloveofcinema

6 жыл бұрын

iamthatroby Me neither. The only scene I actually liked besides the Amazons running with the Motherbox was the Superman vs Justice League fight scene. I can tell that it was part of the reshoot in some areas but no matter who's cut is released on Blu-Ray I want that kept in.

@maskofshy

6 жыл бұрын

iamthatroby But sadly se still have many just following the hate ignoring important information. *Like BOB CHIPMAN.* ...have anyone seen his video REALLY THAT BAD, BATMAN V SUPERMAN, is such a superficial and missguided video.

@NikhilMaurya10

6 жыл бұрын

That guy is nuts, anyone who watches BvS this many times will find it in their heart to love the vision what Zack was going with and what made this movie a masterpiece. But he is so adment that he has refused to agree to himself. Anyway JL is the end of that era. Happy watching fun movies.

@thezenlu

6 жыл бұрын

Acknowledging the goals attempted in the movie isn't the same thing as those goals being successful. The story has been treated heavy handedly which makes that moment not only predictable but surreal when it hits. With how often MARTHA was thrown around before that moment and how it penetrated the narrative it becomes laughable when you get that moment and the explanation, instead of heightening drama it deflated it. And tragedy as a story device is one where motivations of the major protagonist of that tragedy has acted in a way to either cause or not halt the coming fallout, and the story of Superman's fall doesn't work in this respect... None of his actions coincide with this idea of tragedy and the fall, he is the subject of other character's plans, but his actions don't work in the tragic narrative, and unless Batman and Lex Luther were the main adversaries to one another in the story line, the death of Superman at the end of BVS only works to cement a fundamental disjointment between theme and execution. Superman's death is not a matter of Batman's direct actions after he has changed his mind, he wasn't working with Lex, and then betrayed after he is swayed, so where is the tragedy work at the end of the narrative... the tragedy story is just another thing set up that doesn't pay out.

@NikhilMaurya10

6 жыл бұрын

I think it was intended to deflate the drama, cause that's where the film starts it ending sequence. And you talk about superman's death and attach it to tragedy, but in my opinion the tragedy is done just after the Martha scene. Now its superman's character development and his death is the start point of JL's formation. It's Batman's story and LEX is an integral part of it, even if he is not directly coming face to face with Batman. If something doesn't payoff then its Lex because he was quite strong with good dialogs and motive in entire movie.

Loved it!

Good job!

iamthroby brother really loved this video! And BvS is like my second favorite Superhero movie of all time, so I really want to spread this video! Is it ok if I post this on our Facebook pages with link and courtesy to your channel? We have over 1.5M fans across our pages and if they like this video they'll eventually come over here to this channel and subscribe! This will help you reach a totally new group of audience hopefully! :)

I love Ben Affleck Batman so much justice league killed this universe that could have been beautiful

Good music as always!

I couldn't summarise my admiration for BvS any better. New subscriber right here!

I love this movie. For anybody who says this guy is reaching to give Snyder credit, come on. This is the story Snyder wanted to make. It literally says a story by Zack Snyder in the credits. No, he didn't write the screenplay. Most directors don't. But as a director-in-the-making myself, I know just what it takes to be director. A director's job is to bring a story to life through every detail on screen. The mis'en'scene is all orchestrated by the director. It is just like chorus. The director didn't write or perform it. He didn't build the podium or the bleachers or the outfits the choir wears. But, he puts it all together in his vision and adds his own style. For those who say Zack can only be credited with the style, you couldn't be more wrong. It even proves that this is HIS film if you can feel his art throughout. This is his movie. It's a shame that Zack's film are always slimmed down last minute and it'll happen once more with Justice League. But, from the reviews I remain optimistic. Thank you for your analysis Iamthatroby. Keep up the good work.

@angelranjel558

6 жыл бұрын

Thaddeus The Only unfortunately WB butchered his movie again. Hopefully they release a Snyder cut on bluray. I want to see his vision for justice league that we didn't get to see in theaters.

@AveTrueToCaesar8212

6 жыл бұрын

Shoehorning Doomsday into the DCEU's second film and trying to adapt Death of Superman, which had fifty years of build up in the comics, after making a single Superman film is inexcusable. I don't care if it was Snyder's story. It was terrible.

@fortheloveofcinema

6 жыл бұрын

The Question There is a big difference between a critique and a nitpick. Unless shoehorning him interrupted the plot or failed to have any significance or was rushed in the film (it wasn't, DD was built through the whole film) than any complaint about that is a nitpick and nitpick are not facts.

@AveTrueToCaesar8212

6 жыл бұрын

Thaddeus The Only The entire final act of the film being disjointed and ineffective is a bit more than a nitpick.

@fortheloveofcinema

6 жыл бұрын

The Question Okay explain. Prove that it is.

OMG HOW DID I MISS THIS VIDEO! Finally someone who sees the brilliance of the script! I hated Lex Luthor’s casting choice (horrible) but that was really the main and only very major issue issue. Besides that there are just a few forced scenes that weren’t necessary or that coulda been better... but great script/story:) THANK YOU FOR THIS

Nailed it. This really sums up why I love this movie. Easily one of the more interesting (thought provoking?) superhero films of the last 5 years. You put it better than I ever could. Great work dude.

Great vid