Guy: "Shepard?! I thought you were dead!" Shepard: "I get that a lot".

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Shepard: "Gamers don't die, they respawn" 🗿

@ihavestds394

27 күн бұрын

Legit should just have Shepard reveal he's immortal at this point lol

Honestly, I don't really care about what will be forced as canon. What BioWare needs to do is recapture the feeling of the original trilogy. Whichever way they go about it is fine with me.

@dorottyapapp

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely. If they give us a great experience it doesn't matter if they canonise some things or not. Also I don't want to take away their creative freedom by telling them what to do. I hope they don't listen to the fans when it comes to storytelling. Let the creators' vision come to life.

@lazaglider

3 ай бұрын

I could not agree more. At this point, I don't really which ending they use as canon. I'll take it. If it is an ending I didn't favour, my ego won't be so bruised that I will feel the need to get all angry on reddit. Absolutely imperative that they regain the feel of the trilogy. Beyond that, I don't care.

@PsicoPrime

Ай бұрын

Even if they do It people wont accept It, they Will have the same Nostalgia tinted glasses they had for andromeda

@sergeontheloose

28 күн бұрын

It won't happen. The developers who created the original trilogy are long gone from the company. What you have is a bunch of diversity hires, political activists and DEI shoved down your throat. Do NOT expect ME to be out at all. Since they are celebrating "transgendered species" something tells me - you go woke you go broke.

@DoctorEpicPhD

24 күн бұрын

@@PsicoPrime Nostalgia is a dangerous thing! It's nice when the nostalgia itch is scratched, but it's so incredibly easy to manipulate and use to disguise bad stories😅

If they're going to force one ending, might as well use that happy ending mod, it's basically the destroy ending with Edi surviving and no catalyst It never happened for me, but Liara can die if your war assets are low, no Normandy pickup there

@RedHoodRubyRose

3 ай бұрын

The Happy Ending mod is what Fans all wanted from the ending. If they do such a ballsy move, it would be epic.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

wow I didnt know Liara could die! That has ... implications for theorycrafting 🤔and regarding my theories that could be a little *Mordin voice* "Problematic, thanks for the info! :D If they're choosing one ending, they technically should be free to choose any ending they like, so maybe we'll see happy ending or something like it! 🤷‍♂

@clarencewalters338

Ай бұрын

​@@RedHoodRubyRose Same, it's wild how just removing a cutscene and switching up some ending slides for the extended cut would literally fix the ending of the game.

@CantRead1

Ай бұрын

Having EDI survive the destroy ending would remove the consequence of the destroy ending. Not a fan of that mod. Ironically it's as about as bad as the original endings. Having a happy go lucky ending isn't Mass Effect.

3:00 The Catalyst also said that Shepard themself is partially synthetic and that they would die if they chose destroy. So, either lying about Shepard being partially synthetic, dying, or Shepard dying because of being partially synthetic, or that all artificial life will die. That little mofo was lying his ass off the whole encounter. I bet the Geth are still around. Why else for the Geth-shaped crater?

@DoctorEpicPhD

2 ай бұрын

Good catch! I always interpreted the catalyst's line "Even you are partially synthetic" meaning that there would be a chance for Shepard to die due to being part synthethic, and not that Shepard was bound to die because of it but rather, that there was a chance for survival by being part organic if that makes any sense haha in that case the Catalyst is not lying either, just explaining the realities to Shepard

@souljahbill14

Ай бұрын

Shep may have synthetic implants but Shep isn’t Reaper tech. That’s the difference.

@deadlyjuliet

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD I just understood Shep would loose the synthetic benefits they have, but not dying really

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

also a very good point! I don't think there's any reaper tech in Shepard either, though I suppose who really knows what the Illusive Man used for project Lazarus as we know Cerberus has always loved to use tech (even Reaper tech) they don't understand/can't control hahah @@souljahbill14

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

something like that might also be the case! "Living" as opposed to "dying" can certainly be said to be a "benefit" as well😂 like you're bringing attention to now, the catalyst's words are vague and open to interpretation as soon as we start to dissect them :D @@deadlyjuliet

Destroy ending, thats really they only way. there is no story when everyone is brainwashed (synthesis) and shepard becoming a reaper (control) would only be cool if bioware had the ballz to turn our hero into a tyrant.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Yeah, if the game was set in a Control world it would probably have to be like Bladerunner or some other dystopia, running from the evil Shepard AI overlord crushing resistance with the blue reapers A synthesis world would most likely just be a peaceful utopia, so no conflict = boring story. If not, that too would likey play out as a dystopia running from the brainwashed synthesis species It would definitely be a very different kind of game compared to traditional ME! Could be good, but I fear it wouldn't feel like ME, but hey we could be wrong Destroy ending is definitely the safest choice if they want to recapture some Mass Effect magic I think!:D

@davidos8760

22 күн бұрын

They are not brainwashed in synthesis quite the opposite really

@madkabal

22 күн бұрын

@davidos8760 yes they are.

@ThePhrog714

Күн бұрын

@@madkabalthat’s only a theory. canon wise it’s not brainwashing even if you don’t like it

@madkabal

Күн бұрын

@@ThePhrog714 it's brainwashing.

Import ME3 save or destruction ending. No compromise vs. the Reapers. They are done. :D

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

😎🤝Destroy fans unite 🤝😎

I rather they outright canonize events, than coming up with wishy-washy explanation for things happening in a way anyway, making any decision retroactively pointless. Like I rather have them say Shepard helped cure the Genophage and Wrex lead the krogans to a more peaceful path, than having that as an explanation or no cure and wreav choice still leading to the krogan eventually be immune to the genophage and Wreav backing out of being an agressor because having an epiphany, leading to the same conclusion. Because then if I think back to the trilogy, I'd feel non of what I choose there really matter. I rather have them stick to some canon choices. Then let us fans theorize what might have happened if they choose a different canon.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

If the choice is between outright canonizing events and wishy-washy explanations like you're describing here, I whole-heartedly agree 100% that explicit forced canon is the best choice !

There should be forced canon simply because it would make the story a lot better and easier to do. Fallout 1 to 2 canonized choices. And for that series it worked and allowed it to still explore its story without getting bogged down on trying to make choices matter long term. For Mass Effect it should do the same. But only to big choices. Like which ending, curing the krogan, and saving or destroying the quarians/geth. That would be better because it can actually explore the logical consequences of those choices. Because honestly I don't want to have a game where all the choices basically boil down to the same outcome. If the krogan didn't get cured they would be even more irrelevant to extinct. Especially since Wrex wouldn't be there. But if Bioware tried to keep it all canon then the situation with the krogan wouldn't have changed at all. Making either choice meaningless.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

I agree that If the choice is vague references to every single choice or properly explored topics and consequences of the decisions, I agree that forced canon will have to easily be the lesser of the two evils, even though we ofcourse all would want a game that adresses and gives meaningful consequences to every single choice :D

@Knight1029

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD I do agree that it would be nice to have all choices be represented in the best possible way but I also think something has to be considered when canonizing choices. And that is some choices allow for more stories and align better with the themes of a game. Mass Effect is about a lot of things and one of them is people coming to together to beat a greater evil. Making choices like the gets and quarians serving together fit that theme perfectly.

I agree with the principle of wanting as little forced canon as possible, but from the perspective of wanting the strongest story possible in Mass Effect 4, I think it is best they have a fair amount of it. Having a set structure for the state of the universe means effort that would go into fleshing out multiple universes instead can be concentrated into a singular one to make it as rich and detailed as humanly possible. As for what those choices should be, I think the basic rule should be whatever makes the story more interesting. Simple example, on whether the Rachni queen was allowed to live I think the canon choice should be that she was, because this creates a possibility that in the years that have passed since 3 the rachni have been able to become more of a part of galactic civilization. That is far more interesting than just literally nothing instead. And so on for other choices. Whatever creates the most interesting opportunities for how that universe looks and functions will make for the most enjoyable experience for the players.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

W take! 👏👏👏

They also mentioned the natural genophage immunity in mass effect 2 and 3, half of mordins story is about his work on the genophage modification project.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

"Life - uh - finds a way" !🦖🦕

@DartNoobo

2 ай бұрын

But Mordins work was about overcoming said immunity and he succeeded.

@bable6314

29 күн бұрын

@@DartNoobo Yes, temporarily. The Krogan weren't immune by default, they had hundreds of years to adapt to it. By the time ME4 takes place, the Krogan will have been able to adapt again.

The Krogan are easy. Dont say which way the decision in Me trilogy went just state their current condition which would be a split of two factions. The ones who want to rebuild (eve/wrex) and the ones who want to start going to war again.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I think it's likely that something like that will be the case! Let's wait and see :D

@PsicoPrime

Ай бұрын

How? The genophage was a very important part of their story, if the game's in the future you either know if they were cured or if the cure was a lie

@bable6314

29 күн бұрын

@@PsicoPrime The Krogan keep outgrowing the genophage, which is why Mordin's team needed to recalibrate it. Without the STG fucking shit up for them, the Krogan will adapt.

@DoctorEpicPhD

29 күн бұрын

yeah like @@bable6314 said basically! And in Andromeda the krogans natural ability to outgrow the genophage is brought up once again! but it is a big decision that should be adressed!

@BradleyGibbs

28 күн бұрын

@@PsicoPrime There's more to it than that: depending on who you save/kill in the trilogy, then ending slide show shows civil war or growth.

5:37 killed me 😂

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

7:30 bro 🤡

Synthesis stan here, and while I prefer that ending, theoretically you can choose a destroy ending and still grant clemency to the geth, and even try to safeguard them by not allowing them to integrate the reaper code, though the platform that is Legion may not agree. The destroy ending STILL states the geth will die out, so it's either intentional deceit (Something that a lot of game writers seem to be increasingly hesitant to use except when it's obvious) or myopic writing practices at the time of the rushed ending.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it would take a really convincing presentation in the next ME to make me believe that the Catalyst was straight up lying when saying that the Geth would die in Destroy ending, and that bringing them back like that isn't a straight up retcon from ME4 writers, it will be interesting to see! There are other ways to bring the Geth back ofcourse, if they were created once, they surely can be created again, just look at Talis dad who was seemingly bringing Geth back to life on the Alarei!

Control ending is ridiculous and borders on a Messiah complex. Shepard is special, but in no good and competent writing can be THAT special. Synthesis is kinda ridiculous to impose on everyone. The whole goal was to defeat the reapers. Organisms should be allowed to naturally evolve.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

There are many practical and ethical problems with Control/Synthesis like you're saying! I think that's why a lot of people prefer Destroy (though that too has it's own practical and ethical problems)

@dorottyapapp

29 күн бұрын

And that is one of the reasons we love Mass Effect, don't we? For the gray choices it presents to us. A lot of the time there is no right or wrong decision because all have pros and cons. In a way ME3's ending is genius because after more than a decade it still makes the fans debate about ethical and moral dilemmas of the different options. I personally don't have a favourable ending. How I choose depends on the kind of Shepard I created in my current playthrough. I ask myself: what choice does this version of Shepard make and why? I believe there is only a good/bad choice in the context of the version of Shepard you are currently playing as. But outside of it there is not an objectively good ending because as I wrote, all have pros and cons.

@DoctorEpicPhD

29 күн бұрын

You nailed it! :D And it sounds you like you have a very healthy way to play ME, letting you reflect on and explore all the different consequences and situations the ME universe can offer:) @@dorottyapapp

If they include all that happened in Andromeda, Geth could still be alive there. Since what the species who went there found where to go via a Geth telescope. This means the Geth were already looking at Andromeda before the organic species looked for themselves. They could have easily gone before the Arks left. Quarians had their own Ark but never made it to Andromeda during the game, and they were bringing other species with them. As for Krogans, you either cured the genophage or you go back to Andromeda where clan Nakmor used the time to travel to Andromeda to naturally evolve to a point that the genophage became irrelevant. As for the ending of ME3, if they go with indoctrination theory, then control and synthesis don't matter as Shepard is indoctrinated by choosing those options and the Reapers still exist. The only ending allowing for the story to go forward is the destroy ending, and I think that may be the only forced canon that matters in the new game. And I don't think Shepard will be in it, unless he was frozen away on the human Ark the way the Ryders' mother was, but that would be impossible since the voyage to Andromeda started between ME2 and ME3. I guess they could always say that Cerberus made more clones besides the one we encounter in the Citadel DLC but cloning is such a lazy way to write in something that big though.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

I think you just summarized my thoughts and feelings on this perfectly! I have nothing to add lol At this point, regarding the canon ending/fate of the Geth/Krogan etc., it's largely a question of what Bioware SHOULD do, and not so much what they CAN do, since, like you said, a lot can be fairly lore-friendly explained 🙏

The only thing i want are the Terminus races mentioned in ME1 to actually play a role in the game, because if the Council feared war with a united Terminus (due to sheer numbers and diversity of enemies) I WANT non-council races to finally show their faces, not some vorcha animals, not "we are just the races of the citadel but in the Terminus" but actually unique star faring races, ironically the races of Andromeda could have easily served as a Terminus system.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm also holding out hope for new aliens either from Andromeda or unexplored Milky Way star clusters (though one has to wonder where the new Milky Way races are supposed to have been during the Reaper War of ME3🤔

@codyraugh6599

3 ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD my simple theory is that, since Reapers are supposed to take years to centuries each cycle to complete their "eco friendly" genocide (see this viewer thinking Catalyst is a hypocritical moron with their head in the sand, lacking any independent failsafes against itself or it's Reapers, and blatantly ignoring contradictions to its own absolutist claims) AND the Council in ME2 pulling a "Soverign? What Soverign it was just the Geth." And the whole galaxy going "Oh looks like the Batarians are getting genocided for no reason, better to not give a damn and pretend nothing is happening for months on end and then be surprised when it turns out the Reapers arrived exactly as we expected them to." Well it's easy to see the Terminus Systems mainly ignoring everything happening as a "citadel problem" but of course then afterwards jumping on the chance afterwards to grab territory or attack unguarded colonies.

I would love the new game to be fluid where your decisions from previous games create rippled changes for each playthrough making the endings different based on previous and current game choices. I know it's way more work and cost than using forced cannon but maybe they could do it with fan fund raising and take suggestions from the fandom to include in whatever story they create.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

This is my dream-scenario aswell! Sadly, it's likely just that, a dream, like you're saying, but we can still dream until we have to wake up! :D As long as they solve it in a good way, I personally won't be too disappointed:)

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

Their usual standard for Cannon endings (look at the defaults for the DragonAge games if you didn't play an earlier one) is that you made the dumbest decisions you can.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

that is so true haha, I started playing ME with ME2 and after completing ME1 for the first time and playing ME2 after I was shocked with just how terrible the "default" decisions in ME2 were😂@@WickedPrince3D

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD Exactly, murder the Rakni Queen, murder Wrex, murder everyone else where you'd have the choice. They do the same thing with DragonAge. There's no reason to not expect more of the same. And yes, I got into ME with ME2 as well and then later picked up ME1 on sale so I remember seeing those bad choices my first play-thru and getting to make better choices while playing ME1.

I would say Synthesis simply because it is so rare for writers to actually go with a story line that would have such a radical effect on the narrative.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

It would certainly subvert my expecations dramatically! And as far as I know it would be a very unique setting for a main stream sci-fi game building on synthesis, which could mean we would get an interesting game by doing that!

Destroy ending with the geth and edi being unharmed is the only one to make sense. Synthesis is too life changing to the universe. Control could work, with shepard and the reapers going back into hiding to wait for more synthetic human wars to come back and put a stop to. As for the other choices, very few are important enough to even be mentioned in a new game. You could easily avoid mentioning most. The only ones that could possibly come up are the rachni, possibly the fate of Zhu's hope, and the whether the collector base was blown up. Even then vague writing could easily leave these up to interpterion.

@thesomethingthatisntathing514

3 ай бұрын

Except the Extended Cut in ME3 shows that EDI dies in the destroy ending, along with the geth, so them being unharmed in the next game wouldn't actually make sense.

@sofajockeyUK

3 ай бұрын

I'm expecting it to be set hundreds of years after 3 (there appear to be Andromeda angara in the game) so plenty of time to write away the different endings to a common starting point.

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

@@sofajockeyUKThat I think might be the best choice; but their promo vids for the next ME (at least the BW interview ones I've seen) say that we'll get info on what happened, especially to Shepard. I agree it needs to be set hundreds of years into the future because they also say their giving us info on Andromeda too and unless they suddenly come up with a new FTL tech that can cut the hundreds of years it took to Andromeda down that can't really happen. Besides, Shepard's story is over, it's the perfect time to bring in a new protagonist and a new dilemma to resolve.

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

The Geth/Qaurian thing needs to be answered or they have to decide one of the two is dead. ME3 doesn't end any other way; broker peace between them, or decide which one lives. And it would really suck if they decided Shepard sided with the Geth, killed the Quarians, and then in the end murdered the Geth too. I'll also mention that Legion dies at the end of the Quarian/Geth war no matter much as far as I can tell. Either he uploads "himself" with the clean Reaper code; or Tali shoots him. Destroy makes his sacrifice either way a even worse of a tragedy. Destroy backstabs EDI and the Geth, and basically the Quarians too because the Quarians might not even be able to survive on their own homeworld without the Geth's help. Just so Shepard MIGHT survive. Murder millions to save one.

Maybe BioWare will consider making the happy ending mod cannon😂

I remember Liara's father talked about trying to get the Asari to learn how to build their own Mass Relays. Maybe they can have a version that isn't as powerful as the ones the reapers made but still works and they can explain why FTL and all that still connects the galaxy after the reaper war. I know it doesn't really make sense with the time frame but it would at least explain being able to go to other systems more quickly than the FTL jumps inside the systems.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

The teaser with Liara talking about "human defiance" shows a seemingly organic-designed mass relay looking construction in space, I think we can expect "man-made" mass relays to play an important role in ME4!

@HamanKarn567

3 ай бұрын

@DoctorEpicPhD I hope so. That way everything is still connected and not cut off from each other.

the only way I can see the gath surviving in the destroy ending as if maybe some of them left the Milky Way then came back to the Milky Way after the reapers were destroyed that's the only way I can see the gath in the destroy ending

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

That is definitely one of the most plausible ways for the Geth to survive (at least "real" Geth, and not Geth that have been remade from scratch)!:D

some geth could have had a base outside of the milkey way, dark space. If the reapers did this then the geth might find it plausible to do they same as a safe guard.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Who knows! Lore-wise there are a lot of reasons as to how the Geth could survive, it's a huge universe and the mass effect is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural But the devs and story-writers particularily should be very careful in how they bring the Geth back if they decide to do that IMO,,, it would likely be disappointing if Liara just said "Somehow the Geth returned" Wow I didnt mean to make so many Star Wars references in this reply hahah thanks for the comment :D

Imagine the destroy ending was the base game and the other endings are like dlc campaigns

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

OK, NOW we're cooking 😂🤩

I can imagine they might do what they did with Inquisition. Maybe let us upload our Legendary Edition saves and import them into the game and have the major decisions like character deaths, romances, allegiances, and stuff like that take effect and then just have a like a base version for people who don’t, maybe do another “Genesis” comic book opening.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

This is a likely way forward, I would not be surprised if this is what they end up doing!

@sofajockeyUK

3 ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD They don't even need a save file, just have a few optional lore checks at the start. Witcher III did this is a short conversation to cover very different Witcher II endings.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's definitely possible if they decide to go that way!@@sofajockeyUK

@DartNoobo

2 ай бұрын

​@@DoctorEpicPhDthe likely way forward? They completely failed to notice your choices in the 3d game and you think that creating 4th with all the choices is the likely way forward? Have you even paid attention? Have you seen the Andromeda and its choices?

@DoctorEpicPhD

2 ай бұрын

Indeed I have! @@DartNoobo To clarify: If they decide to make a direct sequel to ME3, which is what it looks like they're doing judging by the teasers from the last years, then I think the practictal way of doing it would be by adressing the choices in a way like ForcedRespawn and SofajockeyUK above me are describing :D Or are you referring to ME3 not properly adressing choices from ME2 and ME1? :) I personally felt ME3 did an overall OK job in giving consequences for ME 1 and ME2 choices, though some decisions and especially the consequences in the ending was lackluster in terms of adressing the choices, like I think you're referring to? That could be due to many reasons, for instance overworked and undersupplied devs, rushed dev cycles, EA greed etc. And I'll concede, it's far from unlikely the current greedy market will lead to a lackluster ME4! But I choose to have hope😎

Mass Effect was intended to be a trilogy. It should have been allowed to die peacefully. I hate this endless desire to pump cash out of a property that should have ended with dignity.

@Skull.man00

2 ай бұрын

Thing is, it didnt end with dignity. Ending of MS3 was bad. Nothing you have done really mattered in the final choice, no paragon or renegade option, no different outcomes based on your choices until the end. Heck, we have done so much with Shepard, and that's the way bioware rewards us? I think they should make Shepard stay alive in MS4, a lot of people want Shepard to survive the ME3 ending, and that's why people are constantly talking about it in the first place. Ending didnt let us finish the game. It just created more questions while leaving us with PTSD.

@yurisonovab3892

2 ай бұрын

@@Skull.man00 That was up to the writers and the company of the trilogy at the time. No amount of necromancy is going to make it better today. Let it lay.

@aperson3996

Ай бұрын

But… I want to experience the galaxy again. I want to see the Turian homeworld, I want to see how curing the genophage and ending the Morning War effects things. I get that Andromeda wasn’t great, but whats wrong with trying to continue the franchise?

@yurisonovab3892

Ай бұрын

@@aperson3996 Because not everyone cured the genophage. Your story is not everyone's story.

@aperson3996

Ай бұрын

@@yurisonovab3892 well, I get waht you mean, what I mean more is that people wanna see how their choices changed the mass effect universe, whether for good or ill

BioWare has the damn info. They have the Data! USE IT!

12 years has passed, since we experienced the endings of ME3. The fact that BioWare is this quiet about the new game, has me shook. Then we have to wait more years, I’m highly concerned for what’s going on at BioWare. The very little we got, that was revealed, leaves us with more questions than answers. I heard dozens of theories. I just hope that they’ll be able to explain why the 12 year + cliffhanger. What’s confirmed, who’s returning, what new characters and stories are we getting. Either way, a lot of people are going to be disappointed, pissed, or both. We’ll see

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Yup, but hey, as long as they don't announce the next ME is going to be a VR exclusive, there should still be hope right? 😂 "Somehow, the Archon has returned"

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

I'm already pissed and disappointed by the things people want as cannon. If BW goes that direction I'm done.

@Cinquan

Ай бұрын

@@WickedPrince3D I definitely understand what you mean.

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

@@CinquanI skipped Andromeda because of the bad hype, so I really don't have an investment in ME anymore. If they decide that Cannon is the Renegade choice(s) - which is really what they've always done in the series if you skipped previous games; my very little investment becomes none. It's honestly a dilemma for them, I think any cannon choices they make will burn plenty of fans. There is too much divisiveness amongst us.

I really hope they do something similar to what they did with Dragon Age Keep, but then again, how huge of a undertaking would that be? In a lot of ways, Mass Effect has as many important decisions across it's games, but still one definite ending. So That's what I hope they are able to pull off.

I would prefer the destroy are the doctrination theory because I would like for Shepherd to come back for one more Mass effect I would like to see a happy ending for liara and Sheppard with those blue children

Without watching the video; with the Legendary edition released, they should allow us to import our data from that to make the state of rhe world based off of our choices. That would take a shit ton if effort but it would be in the spirit of Mass Effect.

@DoctorEpicPhD

22 күн бұрын

That's what I'm hoping for!:D Can't wait to find out how they solve this!

WAIT! YOU CAN SHOOT THE CATALYST?! I know what I'm doing on my next playthrough

@DoctorEpicPhD

2 ай бұрын

hahah have fun! remember to reload😇

I think it would take lot of work, but I think they should write and create different universes based on the choices made. If you dont have any previous saved data in Mass efeect Games after the first, they have predermined choices you can make to designate key choices that they would have downloaded from the previous game, and implement those as the choices you made. The ending for Mass effect 3 is arguably not good though kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGV6pZiCerzaprA.htmlsi=yhg3hJc1jsYWwVT_

-Liara romance (all 3 games) -Red Ending -Citadel DLC is the canonical end of Mass Effect 3

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

I was gonna comment on this, but I got distracted by that pfp and now can't remember what I was supposed to add😂

I liked this video! good thinking, I hear the passion in your voice for this god called ME

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Didn't know I sounded so religious and zealous in this vid haha but I definitely have some reverance/respect for good games!:D Thanks for the appreciation:D

Im die for liara ❤(red end)

I think its going to be that you choose key pionts in the story before starting the game. They did this in ME2 and ME3

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Of all the ways to implement the earlier games, I agree that this is the most realistic/likely one! Like you said, we've seen it before and it worked fine so😅

If they're gonna do another mass effect properly, dont revive Shepard again and just introduce players to new conflicts and tell good stories. If they can recapture magic of Mass Effect 1 i'd be happy

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

This is the challenge that Bioware faces, making something new and good, but at the same time capturing the Mass Effect magic! Its hard to pinpoint what that magic is though and I don't envy the devs here havin to find that out! :O I actually made a video trying to explore what the ME magic is some time ago: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m5ahmM2qp5TdgaQ.html

The issue of forced canonicity for the ending of ME3 is exactly the reason I don't want a sequel to the trilogy. All of the glorious fandom arguments in favour of this ending or that would be ruined by Bioware coming out and naming one particular ending as proper canon.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

That is indeed a risk! We'll see if they manage to pull it off in a satisfying way :P

mass effect 2 3 and 4 are not canon. they should have never went with the meme tier "ayo heard you were trying to stop synthetics from destroying organics so we created synthetics destroy organics to prevent them from creating synthetics" and should have gone the lovecroft concept plot the had about the mass effect itself smh

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

You're forgetting one thing; if ME 2 etc. aren't canon, that means that the Space Hamster isn't canon either... I'm not sure I'm prepared to make that sacrifice...💔

@soldier22881

3 ай бұрын

dang, true i didnt think about that. okay maybe we can keep me2 then ;) @@DoctorEpicPhD

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Deal🤝 @@soldier22881

With the Legendary edition, couldn't Bioware just make sure you can import your save into the new game and each person plays their own canon? Andromeda should not factor into the game. Aren't they already in the "future" in Andromeda? Or they could set a game years in the future ( 2-3 centuries) with forced canon events of the past games but being in the future, they can play around with the consequences and eventualities of said canon events.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

My guess is that next ME will be so far into the future it's basically at the same time as Andromeda, giving them an opportunity to link the Andromeda story with the legendary edition! Some fans point to the fact that of all the characters to showcase in the teaser trailers for the next game they chose Liara (a relatively young asari in ME 1, 2 and 3, and the asari can live up to around a thousand years) and that she seems to have "wrinkles" around the eyes, hinting that she has become old, and old by asari standards is likely several centuries (and Andromeda is set 600 or 800 years in the future after ME 3 i believe? Such a time jump would make it possible to see (or hide if the writers want that) the consequences of Shepard's actions in ME 1, 2 and 3 ! And the really hardcore speculators theorize that a strong reason behind why Bioware made the Legendary edition, was to bring people's Shepard playthroughs into next gen and ready for import into a potential ME 4 :O The time-gap would make it creatively possible to do it in a good and believable way, and the Legendary edition would make it more possible from a game-engine-technical perspective I believe, to do it aswell. A problem here is that they are rumored to ditch the Frostbite engine and that would likely make it harder to import decisions from Andromeda which is on Frostbite, though this could be solved using a Genesis-DLC like mechanic at the start of ME4, if they wish to include Andromeda decisions in ME4. Either way, it's a little exciting to speculate how they will procede and if Andromeda will be buried in the EA backyard or actually implemented well into the franchise going forward😂 (wow sorry for the long reply hahah it seems I accidentally wrote a short essay here, appreciate your comment!😁)

@grandmasterace4785

3 ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD If Andromeda is say 500 years in the future, that means it took around 500 years for the arks to get to that galaxy. That would mean for us to see the effects of Andromeda in ME4, news or characters from ME:A would have to travel back to the Milky Way. That's a 1000 year round trip. I personally don't want a game set that long in the future. By the , the effects of decisions in ME1-3 would be far fetched to still blame on Shepherd. I appreciate the long reply 🙂

What if... the choice was just a dream from the trauma of fighting the war and their choices. Or...what if they just liars!

@DoctorEpicPhD

29 күн бұрын

I can't wait to boot up the next Mass Effect and hear the intro cutscene from Mass Effect 1 and Anderson saying: "That's the only kind of person who can protect the galaxy" and then Shepard wakes up to clock in for his minium wage shift at the Citadel sushi store 😂#itwasalladream

Nothing. Nobody wants a ME4. Mass Effect was over after the trilogy, Andromeda never existed for all practical means. And with the recent decay of AAA gaming, if anyone thinks EA will make a half decent new ME game (or any game) they need serious mental help

"Forced canon" doesn’t belong in an RPG!

I wouldn’t mind if they forced canon the destroy ending as it makes sense but if they let all your other choices matter that would be perfect that’s all I need on a personal level I chose destroy anyway

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Yeah I agree that would be perfect :D But realistically I know that even if it would be technologically possible/feasible to implement consequences for every single choice in ME1/2/3/A in the next ME, it's very unlikely they would allocate resources for such an approach (even though such an approach could likely put ME clearly back on the map again in my opinion) :D

@zorse1235

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD I highly agree thanks for sharing your thoughts I’m a big ME fan now so it feels good to talk about the future of it

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

No prob! I foresee exciting times ahead for ME! 🤩@@zorse1235

Morinth alive being cannon.

uh. i don't see how any of the endings of 3 allow for a 4th. that's kinda why we got andromeda. not to mention, why would anyone even consider playing this after andromeda?

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's definitely looking like a challenge for Bioware to integrate a ME3 ending as a starting point for a direct sequel! As for how it will relate to the Andromeda experience, I'm also very curious!

@sofajockeyUK

3 ай бұрын

Andromeda had it's flaws but remains a solid game. BioWare clearly have zero interest in skipping Andromeda ahead of the 5th game.

@nonyabisness6306

3 ай бұрын

@@sofajockeyUK nothing about andromeda was solid. the entire story was completly uninteresting. the gameplay was a downgrade and on release it was full of bugs.

@sofajockeyUK

3 ай бұрын

@@nonyabisness6306 I think you're mistaken, the gameplay was the best of the 4 games. The story had a good core but I'll agree that the side content was bloated and uninspired. There were certainly bugs at launch which were fixed, though the rather 'plastic' animation can't be fixed which is a pity. Overall, solid but certainly with flaws.

@matro2

Ай бұрын

The sequel will probably take centuries in the future against a less existential threat. Like the Halo or Star Wars sequels. And I do have reservations seeing how Andromeda was done. The Bioware of the originals is probably all gone and what was left couldn't make Andromeda good, what Bioware has now has little to no chance.

im sure they could dredge up all the choices and pick and choose

@DoctorEpicPhD

24 күн бұрын

It would be really epic gameplay to fill out a 10.000 word form with all possible choices before booting up the next game xD

@dragginmeout4553

24 күн бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD it would months lol

Nothing Nothing should be forced canon It's supposed to be a malleable story, not a fixed one.

Good video man. Agree with your points

@DoctorEpicPhD

2 ай бұрын

Thank you sir! I appreciate that :D

They could have decided Shepard found a 4th solution. Not likely, but in character for Sheppard.

@DoctorEpicPhD

14 күн бұрын

Yeah but that could possibly make the ME3 ending retroactivtely worse IMO since it wasn't shown at least not directly in ME3 that there was an option other than destroy, control, synthesis and refusal😅🥲

What choices in andromeda? They have NO influence on everything in our galaxy -_-

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

As of now at least that's true! We'll have to wait and see if they will have any effect for the next game! :O

Im covering Mass Effect legendary trilogy soon, i may link this video, great topic ! Main account is Couch Coop,

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Cool!! I check my comments pretty regurarily, so if you give a heads up here I might check it out!:D

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

wait nevermind, I'll just subscribe to you then I'll see it when you upload it🤣

"It was all a dream"

@DoctorEpicPhD

22 күн бұрын

Wakes up on Lazarus table: "You don't have time to wait around Shepard, grab your weapons and armor!"

I just assumed that the red colour ending happend even if that colour ending was really dumb. It was after all Shepard wishes all along. To stop the reapers. Fuck em up. Even if it cost Shepards life. Shepard knowes that everyone will life due to that. But Shepard has survived two planetary reentry so far. Shepard is space jesus at this point. What I what to see is a good game, that makes me feel something, not like Andromida, I only felt I what to uninstall this abomination of a game. Then burn my harddrive.

I think you mean Mass Effect 5! Mass Effect 4 is Andromeda. As to answer the question, I haven't watched the video but, honestly: All of it. All the choices you made and everything worked well over the course of an intended trilogy, but trying to pass all of this on to future games, that would be one heck of a hassle. The trilogy provided a proper conclusion to the Reapers story. You want to tell more stories, I'm all for it, but you kinda have to do it with a proper established lore, so that means letting them decides what's canon!

@DoctorEpicPhD

2 ай бұрын

Good take ! 😁 As to whether or not the next ME should be called ME 5 or ME 4 I have to admit I'm confused, because like you say Andromeda is literally the fourth ME game, but then again, so was Gears of War: Judgement, but ofcourse Gears of War 4 is Gears of War 4, due to obviously the name, and due to being a direct sequel to Gears of War 3 chronologically, much like the how the next ME seems to be a direct sequel to ME3 I'm actually planning to due a video on whether or not ME 4 og ME 5 will be the best word for the next ME 😂 Thanks for the comment :D

Shepard will be back in the next game and a new start

just to be realistic they should choose the most interesting canon for a sequel and force 99 %. i just want interesting consequences and new characters. And a timejump. some hundred years.

@DoctorEpicPhD

14 күн бұрын

That might end up being the best way to start the next game actually! But there is just some part of me wanting to see consequences of the previous games carry on as much as possible in all sequels for all time😂🥲

Shepard is basically revan

Mass Effect Andromeda never existing. And it should not be forced Cannon, but we should be able to import our Mass Effect 3 safe and the game should react to that. Because my cannon was shooting the star child in the head.

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

hahah, i can picture the next mass effect game basically just being Rust after the Reapers destroyed the entire galaxy since you offended the starchild 😂

Mass effect 2 was the crowning jewel of the series. You had a extremely good ending and the opposite Based on your actions. ME 3 felt Even more epic and looked like it would top ME2. But then it failed right at the end. None of your choices mattered. I had max Paragon and still couldn't access the final Paragon dialogue. Even if you used cheats to get past that. It didn't matter. They took a experience that felt personal and said no! It just ruined the game entirely.

It should be destroy, and both Vermier options are gone, and the Citadel is partially destroyed.

More than likely, it’s a prequel to ME2. It’s Liara finding Shepard

@DoctorEpicPhD

22 күн бұрын

Wow, that would be a plot twist! But the dead reapers would perhaps suggest that it's set after ME3? Though I guess you could argue there are likely some other dead reaper corpses from before ME3 dormant across the entire galaxy, like the leviathan of dis But then we also have what looks like wrinkles on Liara, also suggesting a time-skip after ME3🤔

Fanmade MEHEM ending should be canon >.>

I think, not knowing any of the story of mass effect 4, that the fourth game will probably be a war between humans and turians on one side, against the asari and salarians on the other side. The council is no more. I am basing this on how the asari were always dragging their feet and never really did anything to help matters in mass effect 3, and the salarians are furious that the genophage was cured. On the other hand, the turians proved themselves to be great allies to the humans. The big bad would probably be an asari matriarch who has withheld even more protean knowledge from the rest of the races. There will also probably be a higly unethical salarian scientist who would make Josef Mengele look downright kind. Cerberus, in greek mythology, was a three headed dog, guarding the gates of the underworld. I have always thought that The Illusive Man was just one of the three "heads" of the organization. The unnamed benefactor who financed The Andromeda Initiative is the second head, and we will meet the third head in this game.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Extremely fascinating take! Thank you:D From a realistic perspective, it would be highly likely that some civil war between the milky way species could occur! It would also fit kinda well within traditional mass effect themes in the sense that there was always tension between the species Furthermore, a civil war/tension between the Milky Way species seems to be hinted at by the ME4 teasers so far, particularily Liara talking about how the Council shouldn't underestimate "human defiance" Could there be war between the Council species and humans? If that happens though, I hope we have a bigger "true" enemy as the main enemy, and the turians/Council for example as a secondary enemy in terms of threat level, sort of like the flood (main enemy) and covenant (secondary enemy) in Halo 1-3, as I don't think personally it would be super interesting to simply battle turians, we kinda saw how interesting that could be in ME Andromeda with the Kett empire, and it was kind of boring IMO (thought the Jardaan seemed interesting, shame they weren't given more space in the story)

Depends on how far out. Eventual unity is heavily implied, which means if the went back to andromeda and showed up, unity Milky Way sentients showing up after 700 years past, maybe a worse sort of threat than the reavers. Andromedas lore could’ve worked if they thought about it a little harder. I still think lianas kid will be the protagonist. They take on the father’s traits, so she can be as much like your Shepherd as you want. But her immediate future could be very different, depending on the choices you made in the original series. They pulled it off fine, the dealing with consequences, in the first three games, so I think it could be done again…assuming they have any of those devs left.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Interesting! So forcing canon on the romance between Shepard and Liara? And an "evil" interstellar Milky Way alliance?

@Mantelar

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD was it forced? I played a renegade playthrough, joyfully really, ignored her, and still had a bonding moment with her on earth before the final fight. After I beat the game, I realized what that meant and thought it must be part of the intended plot. But yeah, the only way unity doesnt happen is if Shepherd destroys the reapers, and all the robot people (sorry, it’s been years) are wiped out. And even then general AI has been created multiple times, etc. so yeah, I do think the lore points to eventual unity, like down the road. I thought, going in to andromeda, with 700 years of plot armor, that that’s what they’d be going for. Especially with all the hints about the robot folks heading into deep space, etc. What I’m saying is that Unity would eventually happen. Easy for a leap in time like Andromeda. Hard for an immediate sequel. I’m just one of those people who thought the best parts of Andromeda happened while the main and his brother/sister were still on ice. BioWare still makes me sad for that one. I never played a better game with a worse ‘home loop’ than that one.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Ah ! My apologies for the misunderstanding, I didn't mean that the romance between Shepard and Liara felt "forced", I was just referring to the fact that romances and romantical partners are optional in Mass Effect, so there are players out there who might have chosen a different partner, like Ashely/Kaidan or Garrus for example :D And I agree that it seems that at least the Reapers seem to think that the galaxy's inevitable goal is Synthesis/Unity if I'm understanding correctly:) With the Crucible and Reapers destroyed though , that might be hard to accomplish, even in 700 years I think, but who knows! It's fun to speculate:D @@Mantelar

I think there shouldn't be any forced canon choices.

@DoctorEpicPhD

24 күн бұрын

That is my ideal wish too!:D (If it's possible, but that is sadly a BIG if😅)

@BradleyGibbs

24 күн бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD it's definitely possible... Like they could have the exact same environments but voice 2-4 different major stories. Or they could do what they did in 2 & 3 where story choices you made had very minor effects later on. Ultimately though, that depends on leadership and investors. I wouldn't be surprised if we're disappointed because they're forced to have a short development frame.

@DoctorEpicPhD

24 күн бұрын

@@BradleyGibbs yeah it should be physically/technically possible, but like you said it hinges on what the leaders decide to do 🤢

Call me crazy but I prefer the Synthesize ending - the whole of ME's lore revolves around the conflict between synthetic and biological beings, creators and created. What better way to resolve that conflict than mending that divide?

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the Synthesis ending is a good ending in bringing a conclusion to the theme of division in ME, and more particularily the theme of division between organics and synthetics! I also personally like the argument/postulate that Saren was trying to achieve some form of synthesis between organics and Reapers (though Sovereign most likely had some kind of slavery in mind), aswell as the idea that Illusive Man wanted the Control Ending and Anderson wanted the Destroy ending. I think the biggest problem most people have with Synthesis ending is that it, lore-wise, requires a tech level massively bigger than anything we've seen in ME at that point (imagine the tech required to alter every single organic cell (and synthetic cell?) on a galactic scale, like space is unbelievably big😂) It wasn't presented very well in terms of explaining what and how it would work IMO it kinda came out of nowhere if you catch my drift, meaning that it wasn't telegraphed very well on beforehand before the Catalyst introduced this option to us🤕 I think that if you discovered the potential for the different endings, Synthesis included, on an earlier point in time in the ME games, or maybe just in ME3 even, like on the first few missions, halfway in the campaign or hell even a few missions before the final mission, then I think a lot more people would've loved Synthesis ending! Btw I think perhaps that synthesis ending was my choice the first time I played ME3 (?) so I understand you very much 😁

In reality we’re probably going to have a kotor2 situation where we kinda set the forced canon in Mass effect 4 through our conversations

@bable6314

29 күн бұрын

You could always just import saves, in that case.

nope.. you got 4 ending choices... every exept mby the stupid choice of letting shit continue MUST be in the me 4 IF it follows shepard.. if they ignore that then ur choices dont make a diff and the games just null.. make the game BIG shouldnt be a problem..make it so EVERY big choices u made in the prequels follows up to this.. and in that.. making the secound and third playthrue be a whole new experiance.. that would be a gam worth billions! and make up for the stupid andromeda!

Nothing should be forced canon in Mass Effect 5. Given the involvement of Andromeda I think enough time will have passed to accommodate all three choices. I always go for the paragon (Blue) Control ending, which I consider the best of the three endings.

@TheExter11

Ай бұрын

I love green absorption ending. But blue one is next to it. 😊

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I knew you'd go with Destroy. Everyone is convinced Destroy is the best ending solely because Shepard seemingly gets to live. All the other reasons everyone gives for that choice are just excuses. But from the number of dead Reapers seen lying around in the promo it seems certain that's the direction they are going, and there are at least rumors that they have said as much. But IMHO the piece of N7 armor Liara finds in the promo is probably Shepard's, so he probably doesn't actually survive. Personally, after completing the entire trilogy five times; that's the ending I'd never ever choose. Well that and giving "The Star Child" the finger and saying "I don't need your choices." - it accomplishes nothing, it's essentially giving yourself the finger for playing through the game(s). But if Destroy is their cannon ending to the original trilogy they've lost a fan; I won't buy anymore ME games.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment!:D I wouldn't personally say that Destroy ending is "the best ending", but in terms of providing a starting point for a sequel to ME3, then I think it would be the best one, simply and essentially due to the freedom it provides the writers to make a "traditional" ME experience :D If your preferred ending is Control or Synthesis, that would still be a legitimate way to wrap up the OG ME trilogy IMO If the sequel chooses Destroy ending as "canon", that would simply mean you can view the sequel as sort of alternate history to your preferred ending perhaps? (I'm fairly certain that the ending I chose on my first playthrough wasn't Destroy actually, so I understand you not wanting that ending)

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD I've seen many of these ME vids; especially many of the "ME3 Best Ending" vids where they choose the Destroy option, or otherwise insist that it's the best ending. I've even had long arguments with other vid creators who insisted Destroy is the Paragon ending. It's very clearly not. Not EVER in the trilogy is murder the paragon option. I have not previously seen even one vid that said otherwise about Destroy being best. See here's the thing I see; the Citadel AI is the Master; the Reapers only have the illusion of freedom but they spend 50k years sleeping in dark-space only to come back to enact genocide when the C-IA tells them to. So the Reapers aren't even the real enemy, the Citadel is. And Destroy doesn't destroy the Citadel as far as I can see. So no matter what you choose the Citadel gets away scott free. The Mastermind of the Reaper Genocides never pays for it's crimes; but everyone insists that making the pawns suffer for it is correct. That's why I say that every other excuse for choosing Destroy is just a cover for wanting Shepard to live. The Reaper's are just the victims of every previous genocide campaign and then are forced to support all of the next ones. They are just as much victims as everyone else. And the Mastermind walks.

@DoctorEpicPhD

Ай бұрын

You're definitely touching on very central elements on why Destroy ending could be considered less ethical than the others! And I'm not here to tell you it is the "clear ethical choice"! Like I said, it has it's ethical and practical problems like you're describing here@@WickedPrince3D

@WickedPrince3D

Ай бұрын

@@DoctorEpicPhD See and that doesn't even touch on the backstabbing of the Geth, Legion and EDI. If you broker it right you get both the Quarians and the Geth as allies; and you repay the Geth by murdering them all. You make Legion's sacrifice to give his people true sentience pointless because you murder them all. So these people want us to believe that treachery and backstabbing is also Paragon. (Sorry if I'm harping; it's one of those situations that brings out my OCD really hard. ;) ) Note that as far as the rest of your vid and the questions; I agree that I'd prefer that they not do forced cannon and let us choose our own cannon ending. But I don't think they'll do that. They have a long habit of forcing the worst possible decisions as cannon as I've mentioned in other comments. I do not want them to decide that Shepard was a selfish, treacherous, backstabbing murderer. It cheapens the whole ME experience. It's rather like how in Aliens3 they decide that everybody who survived Aliens died in their sleep; including Ripley; it just took her longer to realize it. It cheapens the experience of watching the first movies knowing that your heroes all die in their sleep because they are STUPID. Who would not imagine that while the queen was lying low on the ship that she wouldn't lay eggs, not like that isn't her sole purpose or anything right? IMHO it's the same thing with many of the decisions in ME, especially the Destroy ending. If I accept the Destroy ending as cannon it removes a lot of my desire to ever play any of the games again because all of MY decisions are meaningless.

The only things that will be forced are wokeness and microtransactions.

Make characters that aren’t butt ugly

@DoctorEpicPhD

3 ай бұрын

What are you talking about, ME:A has a lot of handsome characters, just check out 5:37 and 7:30 in the video 😝