Anderson: “It’s pretty messed up you killed 300,000 batarians, but at least you delayed the invasion of the reapers.” Shepard: “…There were reapers?”

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

"305001 birds with one stone"

@gabrielrussell5531

11 ай бұрын

Colonist, Ruthless, Renegade.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

@@gabrielrussell5531 Literally my current playthrough lol

@gabrielrussell5531

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf My Paragon Vanguard Shep didn't bother with sneaking past the Batarians because that involved not charging into things and smashing them. My Renegade Inflitrator didn't because that would involve not killing Batarians.

@Shaco.

11 ай бұрын

Shepard.

You get to kill a ridiculous amount of batarians in this dlc and for that, I can forgive all of its sins.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

True, but Mass Effect 3 starts with millions of dead Batarians right out the gate, so it's got some competition.

@halpyhal

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf But you don’t personally have a hand in that, I want to know that I’m the reason why they’re dead.

@Glumpsy

11 ай бұрын

It's not even that big of a city in terms of population.

@ajaxthesamurai724

11 ай бұрын

Lowkey same....especially after they poisoned us

@jeremypreston5009

11 ай бұрын

There should have been a renegade interrupt after the relay blows up where Shep just laughs

9:17 - Oh, actually, Shepard waking up because the sedatives failed is the one legitimately cool detail in Arrival, because Shepard being resistant to sedatives after being brought back by Cerberus is established in the opening cutscene of the main game. It feels like this part in particular may have been planned in advance.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

That's fair, I still wish it was executed better. The scene just goes way too fast

@OneTrueNobody

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Yeah, I'd say so. Man, this was such a poor showing after Lair of the Shadow Broker.

@mattrichard3383

11 ай бұрын

I think that Shepard's resistance is because of the Eden Prime Prothean artifact ME1. Dr Chakwas states that anybody else would have died and is baffled how Shep didn't. She states that Shep must have an incredible will.

@sciarpecyril

11 ай бұрын

Do also remember that Shepard is effectively a heavily augmented cyborg who can drink ryncol pretty easily and survive poisons taylored against humans.

@SnowmanTF2

11 ай бұрын

Eh, the more you learn about the development, the less plausible anything was planned that far in advance. There was massive changes between where they were going from the start of ME2, though with how long the development phase is plausible they would have the DLC flushed out enough mid development of core game could add some setups.

I got to wipe an entire colony of batarians, easily the best DLC

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘰𝘯 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘮𝘺 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘢 𝘉𝘢𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘢𝘯

@bigkris2753

11 ай бұрын

​@@pikmonwolf something about them makes me want to commit genocide I don't know how they made them so infuriating 😂

@jonathanoriley8260

11 ай бұрын

Alliance and Council Politicians: *"B-but there are women and children on that Batarian colony!"* Me, loading M-920 Cain with malicious intent: _"Shame."_

@Vyury

11 ай бұрын

@@jonathanoriley8260 *good

@mattstorm360

11 ай бұрын

@@jonathanoriley8260 There were women and children on Mindoir... i was one of them.

What was the Normandy doing? Answer: That thing we had to do, you know what thing. The one that the whole ground team had to leave and in the meantime entire crew was captured by Collectors.

@pikmonwolf

10 ай бұрын

Ah right, the thing for the guy

@LandBark

10 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Let me just say, you are doing great job!

@mileselon1339

3 ай бұрын

Frankly, the Normandy coming in for a bombing run with the Thanix Cannons and dropping in Garrus and the crew inside the Mako would've been absolutely epic for a rescue operation of Shepard! But hey who cares?

@kred792

Ай бұрын

I feel like a stealth ship that lost its C.O. for 2+ days actually would hang out near the mass relay because from there they could spy on any ships leaving the system and monitor comms traffic. It would be their best chance at rescuing him if they figured the Batarians were going to try to exfiltrate him from the system. @@pikmonwolf

“Why would Shepard destroy the relay?” I wanted to kill as many Batarians as possible😊

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Valid

@Jedi_Spartan_38

11 ай бұрын

Colonist Shepard: No reason in particular... it was just something to do.

@griffingower1883

11 ай бұрын

I tried to warn them, because I'm a Paragon.

@Bad_Gazpacho

11 ай бұрын

Most Paragon colonist Shepard.

@bruhgod123

7 ай бұрын

@@griffingower1883 bad idea

You hit on something that always bugged me in the DLCs in ME2 - how they didn't get the cast voice actors back in for any of them. Even though they're with you throughout Overlord and Shadow Broker, note how none of your squadmates (except Liara, which doesn't count since it's a DLC about her) ever speak outside of combat calls. It's actually really eerie once you notice it.

@TheBezixx

11 ай бұрын

They have some lines, but there are pretty few of them. Most notable ones are after the explosion of trade center and also when you meet Shadow Broker face to face. There might be a few other ones, but those two I remember the most. But Overlord has none, that is true.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Yeah 2 is really bad about that. You don't notice in Bring Down the Sky because there's really only one or two cutscenes. In 3 they actually brought voice actors back and it makes such a monumental difference. Hell they got them ALL back for citadel.

@keiranbroida2945

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Except Dr Chakwas

@doglover427

11 ай бұрын

​@keiranbroida2945 yes! Forever the bane of my existence. How could they leave out Karin? We even had Joker!

@stolendiamond09

11 ай бұрын

This is a big part of the reason I never replayed most of the dlcs on my second and third playthroughs

I do use this DLC as a small development point for Shepard in regards to handling indoctrinated characters. ME1 - Successfully talked Saren down, victory. ME2 - Unable to talk Kenson out of it, chaos ensued. ME3 - Not taking any chance, shoots Illusive Man.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

That makes sense. You don't really get good dialogue with Kenson though. She just rants and raves.

@willfanofmanyii3751

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf That's what I mean, Shepard's words did nothing and Kenson went nuts. So Shepard didn't give Illusive Man that same chance and put him down.

@ZShogan

11 ай бұрын

Except you ignored all the other options. Convincing Saren to kill himself is only an option if you invested enough points into Charm or Intimidate. Even with those options available if you’d rather fight him you still can. Likewise, if you built up your Paragon or Renegade score enough and chose the right dialogue options in your previous encounters, you can convince TIM to kill himself.

@arianshepard812

11 ай бұрын

feels like my head canon with Eliza Shepard *lol*

@Kpimpmaster

11 ай бұрын

I still wish you could have had one last boss fight with TIM even if it wasn’t very good it would still have been better then the ending we got

Something that drives me crazy in this DLC is that all of the sudden Relays are able to be destroyed. I know that Kenson and Shepard mention that everybody only assumes Relays cannot be destroyed but in ME1, it's an important plot point that the Mu Relay survived a star going supernova. I find it really hard to believe that a Relay could survive a star going supernova but not an asteroid.

@bigkris2753

11 ай бұрын

My head cannon is concentrated attack points. Supernova just go everywhere and isn't as much physical damage. You have a point of physical impact maybe the relay can't handle it

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Yeah the fact that they explicitly reference a Mass Relay surviving a super nova as a main plot point in the first game, makes it feel a bit odd.

@thearnorianruby4681

11 ай бұрын

Extreme heat. Not blunt force manipulation of energy.

@opticalraven1935

11 ай бұрын

It's heat vs impact objects.

@thefogg

11 ай бұрын

Umm... Big object going to little object. Something was going to give.

I have one idea how they could have improved the DLC: Have Kaidan/Ashley join you on the mission. Give them something to do in 2. Maybe have them save Shepard instead of them just randomly waking up and using a stupid mech to escape? BTW Omega sucks too, but in a different way. It has better production values and length but it's 80% shooting Cerberus soldiers in red corridors and wasting (in a literal sense) the first on-screen female Turian.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I honestly really liked Omega. I love 3's gameplay so I'm happy to have just a big ol' heaping chunk of combat in a cool environment.

@Jnensrevenge

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf ME3's combat is fun but doing it for three hours with no proper morality choices, fun banter or likable characters drains a man. An Carrie-Ann Moss sounds like she doesn't want to be there.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

@@Jnensrevenge I really liked Nyreen, I just felt she was underutilized, but I enjoyed what was there. The lack of proper choices does stink though. It's really just the General's fate and that one game of chicken.

@bobjenko

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's something I thought about, too. Hackett, the head of the Alliance Navy, sends Shepard out. It'd make sense if he then sent one of their top operatives after them when Shepard doesn't respond. Or to make it even juicier, the Virmire Survivor meets up with the Normandy after Hackett sends them out and the VS and Shepard's love interest/most used squadmate in the game is with them.

@Grivehn

11 ай бұрын

@@Jnensrevenge The general felt like Grand Admiral Thrawn from Star Wars Legends. An honorable and smart tactician who isnt just some brainwashed a-hole like pretty much all other cerberus people youre meeting, just on the wrong side of history. Felt like he was one of the most likeable villains in the trilogy. Then again, wasnt hard being more strategic than Arya who just acted like the elephant in the porcealin shop every single time.

Sadly these are not the only plot-holes in ME2. I never understood the IFF thing with the WHOLE SQUAD LEAVING the ship.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I agree. I did a whole video on that as well lol

@Jose_Doe

10 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf oh where and when

@JavorinaMaria

9 ай бұрын

@@Jose_Doe u can find it on their channel its called ,,why it is the dumbest section of mass effect 2,,

@VioletAeonSnowfield

4 ай бұрын

Funniest thing about that is if you play ME2 perfectly, when you reach the IFF cutoff, there won't even be a mission to leave the ship for. It's entirely possible you can have no missions left by that point, so Shepard and the squad will just fly off to nowhere.

@finvaly

4 ай бұрын

"There's a a dead Reaper who can indoctrinate people and can also be an irrefutable proof for the Council, let's board it and then burn it in the sun"

One thing I can say is actually good about this DLC is that it actually is a pretty good lead in for ME3. It leaves the “I’m a total badass” tone of ME2 and starts slowly brining you into that sense of “oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck” that permeates all of ME3.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

That's fair. The tone isn't bad on the surface.

@alexrazim4467

10 ай бұрын

You still get a bit of that in the Last Stand portion, if you survive until the Artifact knocks you out. I won the fight on Insanity and I sure as hell felt like the badass soldier that held off an endless wave of Batarians on Elysium.

@537monster

10 ай бұрын

@@alexrazim4467 in terms of fighting, yeah it lets you feel like a bad ass, but then there’s the ticking clock reminding you that the reapers are on the way any day now. Then the end of the DLC, where you are left with your only option being to sacrifice an entire star system just to buy the galaxy a bit more time (a regular occurrence in ME3). Story-wise, it’s very in line with the tone of 3.

@marciimeris503

9 ай бұрын

Part of why I loved me3 more than 2. It had a more realistic approach to a doomsday. That oh fuck here we go feeling still gives me goosebumps

Another thing that gets my goat is when Dr. Kenson blows herself up, you do get a Renegade interrupt that lets you shoot her... Only for her to activate the explosives anyways.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Right? It's stupid

@Delimon007

11 ай бұрын

I don't understand why he didn't shoot it out of her hand. A bullet does not kill you instantly like it does here unless you kill the brain. She would actually just push the button because she's going to die anyway.

@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117

9 ай бұрын

Choices.

I didnt care about the batarian helmets. But it did seem insane to me that She would bring Shepard to the base and explain the whole project to him/her. Instead of just thanking Shepard for the rescue and part ways.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

That's true. If she'd just parted ways the Reapers would've arrived as planned.

@thefogg

11 ай бұрын

Yeah my first thought was immediate sus from her. It was going too smoothly

@karlpoff7832

11 ай бұрын

Classic villain dialogue you have to brag about hot great you are

@user-lb4vk1xx8r

11 ай бұрын

The helmets are a minor issue, but like pikmon said they're representative of a larger problem. I'm fucking pissed that he's pointed them out though because now I'll never be able to not notice it lol

@jebbush2527

9 ай бұрын

The reapers are full of hubris and probs wanted to kill Shepard in the first wave.

And the worst part is that less than a year after this released, BioWare forgot the most important fact this DLC established, that destroying a Mass Relay results in an explosion that can destroy a star system. edit: Since people keep responding to my comment by claiming this isn't a plot hole or a contradiction, let me refresh your memories. In the original (i.e. Pre-Extended Cut) ending Hologram Kid said that using the Crucible would destroy the Mass Relays. This line was removed in the Extended Cut, and the relays went from being destroyed to merely damaged. So there was a plot hole, and BioWare tacitly acknowledged it. edit: Since people also keep claiming that because the circumstances are different the results would be different, if these different circumstances would've produced different results, the game would've told us at some point. It didn't. On top of that, Shepard, who knows that destroying a Mass Relay will destroy a star system, doesn't bring this up. Why don't they? They have no reason to believe otherwise. There has never been any hint or foreshadowing that destroying a relay will result in anything less than the destruction of the system its in. Someone who destroyed a relay which then destroyed a star system killing over 300,000 as a result would outright refuse this option out of concern that doing so would destroy Earth (the planet they fought so hard to save), the entire solar system, and most if not all inhabited star systems in the galaxy, and would be worse than just letting the Reapers continue their cycle of galactic omnicide. Again, why don't they? Something like: Shepard: But that will destroy every star system that has a relay. It would be worse than just letting the Reapers kill us all. Hologram Kid: No. You destroyed a star system last time, but it won't happen this time because [technobabble].

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Right? Accidentally destroying the galaxy in the end, whoops

@zancloufer

11 ай бұрын

I mean does it? Sure the Alpha Relay when detonated will destroy a solar system, but will every relay explode that violently? Maybe it's a flaw with the oldest relay in the galaxy, maybe they originally wanted the mass relays to be galactic in range but realized such a core was too unstable for general use. I mean it's a bit of reverse engineered head cannon but it does at least establish both why only one relay can fling ships across an entire galaxy AND why only the Alpha Relay has a catastrophic detonation.

@ZShogan

11 ай бұрын

@@zancloufer 1. If you’re having to resort to headcanon to explain plot holes and contradictions, you’re tacitly acknowledging that a plot hole or contradiction exists. 2. If you’re having to resort to headcanon to explain these things, you’re doing the writer’s job for them and they failed at their job. 3. BioWare tacitly acknowledged this contradiction. In the original (i.e. Pre-Extended Cut) ending Hologram Kid said that using the Crucible would destroy the Mass Relays. This line was removed in the Extended Cut. So there was a contradiction. Unfortunately it’s the only one that was acknowledged.

@rayclay3249

11 ай бұрын

I think that's a little unfair since what happened at the end of ME3 was under a different circumstance than what happened at the end of Arrival. It's comparing the act of crudely ramming an asteroid into a Mass Relay with using a weapon (?) that was designed to be used with the Catalyst (aka the Citadel) which then affects the Mass Relays. If they rammed the Crucible directly into a Mass Relay but the result was something different than was shown here then you'd have a point. However, what was shown at the end of ME3 was clearly different than Arrival. I sometimes feel that in the process of criticizing the endings (which is absolutely fair) people tend to misrepresent it, be it unintentionally or intentionally. Though that is only my opinion.

@ZShogan

11 ай бұрын

@@rayclay3249 I’m not misrepresenting anything. BioWare tacitly acknowledged this contradiction. In the original (i.e. Pre-Extended Cut) ending Hologram Kid said that using the Crucible would destroy the Mass Relays. This line was removed in the Extended Cut. So there was a contradiction. Unfortunately it’s the only one that was acknowledged.

It feels like Shepard is written to be alone because they couldn't get any of the voice actors for your team mates, not just Joker. Also I feel like the entire DLC was unnecessary from a storytelling point as well. There already was a very compelling and strong reason to have Shepard be on earth in legal trouble in ME3- they worked for Cerberus, a human supremacist organisation. It even felt like ME2 was kinda foreshadowing that you would be facing real negative consequences for being associated with Cerberus, because of how many characters react negatively to learning that you're with them.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Yeah Me2 didn't get the voice actors back for anything, not even Lair of the Shadow Broker. Really makes you appreciate the Citadel DLC.

@graye2799

10 ай бұрын

Kinda feels strange to be arrested without this dlc. I don't think Shepard would turn himself in when he knows that the reapers are coming, and the fact that most of the alliance is willing to look the other way even if you are working with cerberus. They even give you back your specter status if you just agree not to work in council space.

@nobodyfamousX

9 ай бұрын

The thing is without the pressure from the Batarians because of what happened with the relay Shepard may not have been detained. Yes they were working with cerberus, but they have enough clout within the military that some people would trust they did it for good reasons once they leave. Especially since 95% of your activity in 2 was outside of council space anyway.

@fourmondnoah4013

4 ай бұрын

You’re still a specter so alliance have no authority on you and condemning the re better soldier simply for working with Cerberus is not possible due to the protection of Anderson and hackette who protect him and so the only logical way to force him to stand on earth is to assure peace with batarian cerberus is not enough reason to arrest Shepard

@VioletAeonSnowfield

4 ай бұрын

I disagree. "Working with" Cerberus is not a valid excuse for Shepard to be locked on Earth at the start of ME3. Because not every Shepard really works with Cerberus. In fact, most of the choices available in the game make Shepard a double agent. And Shepard's not even just a member of the Alliance in an undercover role, they're a spectre on an undercover op. And as the trilogy really likes to remind us, spectres have ultimate authority to do whatever they please with no oversight. Which is moot regardless because Shepard does have explicit permission from both the Alliance and The Council to operate as a double agent for Cerberus.

16:45 I think that after Shepard gets sedated, maybe two of their squad mates could’ve busted them out of the medical bay? Like Shepard radioed the Normandy off-screen telling Joker which asteroid they went to then, during the time Shepard was sedated, Joker and the squad gets suspicious so they go and investigate, fight their way through to Shepard, bust them out, then fight their way back. Hell, you could make the squad breaking into the base a playable segment like how you got to control Joker earlier in ME2. Just an idea I had while watching the video.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

A fort Drakon style rescue would've been phenomenal, but I get that they couldn't get all the voice actors back. However what would've been similar and way more feasible would be to have the Virmire survivor rescue you or work with you on this mission.

@blueberrypineapples441

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Honestly that would be cool since it could flesh them out a bit more and justify a little bit of the tension between them and Shepard in ME3 as well.

@sev1120

11 ай бұрын

Make it be where you choose a squadmate to control, and you lead a squad based on the leader. Even if it's limited, it's better than nothing. The idea I have is: Miranda, commanding Jacob and Zaeed (or Garrus if Zaeed dlc isn't obtained) Mordin, commanding Grunt and Jack Thane, alongside Samara and Kasumi Garrus, with Tali and Grunt

@blueberrypineapples441

11 ай бұрын

@@sev1120 That would really cool not gonna lie

@sev1120

11 ай бұрын

@@blueberrypineapples441 a chance to control a squadmate to show their skills outside of three skills. Even if their other skills are from the generic class list, it'd be good regardless

The DLC that was needed because BioWare forgot to have the “Empire Strikes Back” of the Mass Effect Trilogy end on a sinister note.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I mean, 2 can definitely end on a bad note if you fuck up the suicide mission. But that's a personal tragedy, not a universal one.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

​​@@pikmonwolf 2 already ended on a sinister, universal note with the appearance of a full Reaper fleet at the end of the game. ME 3 did such a poor job of following up the plotlines set up in 2.

@emmanuel4989

11 ай бұрын

@@onemoreminute0543 I agree with this. Seeing the entire Reaper fleet heading towards the galaxy at the end of 2 got me so hyped for 3 as a kid. It's such a shame 3 fumbled the ball.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

@@emmanuel4989 I've been replaying ME1 and ME2 recently and it's interesting to see where the characters arcs were potentially going to go before the change in writers and time restraints led to rewrites for some in 3. Like with Grunt, as strange as it sounds, it appears as if he was set to become a full on rival to Wrex/Wreav in ME3. Because of how well he passed his Rite of Passage despite being tank bred, literally every Krogan on Tuchanka goes on about how great he is (including the Shaman). And when you talk to Wrex about Grunt passing the trial, he seems almost threatened and semi-concerned by Grunts performance (being the first Krogan to take down a thresher maw since himself) That's why I think it would have been a better idea if, instead of that bizarre coup with Udina occuring on the Citadel, there should have been a potential coup against Wrex/ Wreav after curing the genophage where Grunt could have been the new Krogan leader. You can choose to either advise Grunt in supporting such a coup (Renegade) or dissuade him from doing so (Paragon) (he would after all still have the backing of many Krogan popularity wise). You might choose to support him as you think Wreav/Wrex's ambitions are a threat post-Reaper war even with the genophage cure. You might choose to dissuade him as you're confident in Wrex/Wreav's judgement and that Eve (if alive) can restrain those Krogan ambitions. There are other things too, like how it seems as if the conflict between Jack and Miranda wasn't properly resolved in the story of 3 and there could have been an arc similar to Rannoch focusing on just the two of them over a specific struggle.

@emmanuel4989

11 ай бұрын

@@onemoreminute0543 Yeah I hated the way ME3 basically sidelined most of the ME2 crew. Most of them got relegated to 1 mission and only Garrus and Tali can be used as squadmates. The excuses for why characters like Samara, Grunt and Miranda couldn't join the crew was BS aswell. They send Miranda on a wild goose chase, they say Grunt got injured even though krogan regenerate and heal quicker than any other species and Grunt is supposed to heal even faster given he's the perfect Krogan, and Samara said some nonsense about her code saying she must fight where the war is at its most dire instead of working under shepard who is literally leading the Reaper assault.

Oh god, arrival. The only good part of arrival is that I get to choose to kill more batarians.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Especially if you're playing with the colonist background.

@lastboss4268

11 ай бұрын

​@@pikmonwolf a❤

@griffingower1883

11 ай бұрын

Friggin Renegades.

@bruhgod123

7 ай бұрын

@@griffingower1883 your not killing batarians your cleansing them

@griffingower1883

7 ай бұрын

@@bruhgod123 Not unless I'm fighting the Blue Suns or the Batarians on Aratot who don't really give a choice after rescuing Kensen

The problem starts with indoctrination itself. It was way too OP. No way to detect it, no way to prevent it, and no way to stop it. Time after time the game shows us large groups being indoctrinated, and they didn't even know it was happening to them. So remind me again why the Reapers would even need to fight?

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I wish they'd explored the fact that the Thorian can cure it more.

@opticalraven1935

11 ай бұрын

They didn't. They came and harvested. They used the indoctrinated to do their dirty work.

@mechanomics2649

11 ай бұрын

They'd need to fight because, obviously, people are going to push back on it and it's not like there's no way no one will figure out what's happening.

@leroyrussell8766

11 ай бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 My point was, the way Indoctrination is repeatedly exhibited in the game, very large groups of people are fully indoctrinated with no clue it was even happening to them. Not one time did any group figure it out and stop it from happening. So there would be NO push back..no fighting back, if the Reapers simply indoctrinated everyone. Start small it some isolated Organics. Indoctrinate them, and then have them carry indoctrination devices into major population centers, and military installations. The entire population would be indoctrinated before they knew what was happening. Keep in mind that the norm is that the cycles don't even know about the Reapers until they are having to fight against them. So, this means that the Reapers always have the element of surprise. Life is chugging along as normal, and then one day the Citadel activates and the Reapers come pouring in, taking everyone by surprise. But, as was the case with Sovereign, they also normally left scouts/watchers in the Galaxy to monitor things. Why wouldn't this Reaper be tasked with getting the indoctrination started...attack a ship, or small settlement, and then indoctrinate them? They had the Collectors. Why not employ them to gather the organics to indoctrinate? The Indoctrination theory is popular for a reason. Indoctrination was portrayed as being so powerful, that there was no real defense against it, making Shepard being indoctrinated, the only realistic option. He was, after all, knocked out by an indoctrination device and woke up days later. As Op as Indoctrination was portrayed, he should have been indoctrinated. it's a plot hole big enough to fly a Reaper invasion fleet through.

@munken7673

11 ай бұрын

I don’t Think the reapers Can just use indoctrination on a large city let alone a planet and it sometimes takes days for it to work

Why didn't they time the asteroids collision with the relay at the exact moment the Reapers arrived? The blast would have wiped out a massive chunk of the Reaper armada

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Woulda been cool, but that's such a tight window that it makes sense not to go for it.

@tomleary508

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Yeah, but odds are depending on how tight you as the player make it to that final cutscene you might manage to wipe out the fleets vanguard if they don't have time to react properly.

@Helikite

11 ай бұрын

Bcuz it hinges on you making no mathematical error. We know Reapers will arrive no matter what so taking out them that way is hell of a gamble.

@thefogg

11 ай бұрын

Great question with great simple answer. I'm sure it's not cheap to yeet an asteroid at a relay. Even ME1 astroid mission. And the answer is. It was denied about the facts on how reapers were ever real. The citadel dlc confirms this in me3.

@TheCommaA

11 ай бұрын

@@Helikite Yes, and I would also suggest that the Reapers are just not that stupid. Harbinger makes it clear that they are aware that the asteroid ram is going to happen (probably due to Object Rho?). I do not see them making a "woopies" into the system at the exact wrong moment. There just does not seem to be a way to deceive the Reapers and weaponized the Mass Relay effectively in the time that Shepard has.

Shepard can instead of warning the batarians, you can call the Normandy for a brief moment. So if pick renegade then you could believe that brief call helped the crew find you.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

A solid headcanon, but the message doesn't go through properly, that's why you still need to head to the radio tower at the end.

@reggielewis5321

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf I agree that's not much to go on. But just throwing it out there dor the renegade Sheps out there lol

After the Blitz, I think Shepard just wanted to kill more Batarians

Arrival feels like Bioware slapped it together in a few weeks because they realized they needed a "good" reason for Shepherd to be on Earth. Edit: air quotes

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I honestly think "you worked with Cerberus" is a fair enough reason. Just make it so a different Cerberus cell does something extra bad and Shepard gets caught up in the shitstorm.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

​@@pikmonwolf Aye, that's a much better explanation. The opening to 3 (if you didn't play the Arrival DLC) raises so many more questions than answers. Why and how is Shepard suddenly on Earth? Who's this James Vega guy? How much time has passed between the end of the Reaper fleet sighting at the end of 2 and now? Has the invasion already began? WHERE THE HELL ARE MY ME2 SQUADMATES? Though to give some credit to the opening, it does perfectly set the tone once the Reapers begin their attack.

@armchairgeneralissimo

11 ай бұрын

You know what that makes some sense. If you destroy the Collector base it would be reasonable to have Shepard return to Earth and rejoin with the Alliance. However if you chose to preserve the base it would make no sense for Shepard to cut ties with Cerberus, return to Earth and hand their ship over to the Alliance. They needed a reason for Shepard to be on Earth with the Normandy and cover all bases, thus The Arrival script was written.

@90Rush

11 ай бұрын

Arrival is Bioware slapping it together and just create a completely solo mission.

@Jay_draco

11 ай бұрын

@@onemoreminute0543 ME3 is both one of the worst and best intros to any game I’ve played. Worst if you haven’t played the arrival DLC & all the other unanswered questions and best bc everything else

I’m going to be honest: while this DLC didn’t always make the most sense, I still loved it. I never really thought about the Batarian helmet thing, To be honest reuse of assets like this isn’t to bad considering it’s common throughout the game, figured Batarians were just scavaging what they could. I liked the Solo mode, it felt unique to the rest of the game. I liked the story, a lot of the plot holes you pointed out I frankly chocked up to the crew fighting against Reaper control and the Reapers not wanting to show their hand to early (no one knew the people were indoctrinated so no Shepard would have been mission success). Add that to they only were by an Artifact and not a Reaper proper, I can forgive everything and chalk it up to “direct intervention was necessary.” Overall it’s a fun turn your brain off mission that sets the stakes for 3. You sacrificed a Colony for time. And that’s just the beginning.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I think that's valid. However for what is really supposed to be the final mission of the game, I wish it had been written better.

@snakesnoteyes

11 ай бұрын

As a general rule, I don’t make excuses for poor craftsmanship in products I pay for.

@ZShogan

11 ай бұрын

Except Batarians don't scavenge. As shown with state controlled companies like Batarian State Arms, they have the industrial capacity to build their own armor and weapons.

@mechanomics2649

11 ай бұрын

@@snakesnoteyes Who said anything about making excuses for poor writing? They're explaining the way they interpreted what is shown.

@snakesnoteyes

11 ай бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 gov, that’s an excuse disguised as head canon.

why not have the doctor be the only one in the whole facility who was not indoctrinated bc she was kidnapped? and then she's killed when her and shepard go to the facility. that might fix at least a couple plot holes. i still love this dlc tho anything with reaper indoctrination and being able to speak to a reaper have always been my favourite parts of the game even tho talking to harbinger takes like 2 minutes

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Yeah that would've been way better, if she got killed by her old team.

Colonist Shepard: "That was for Mindoir."

I still want to know what Object Rho was and why Shepard wasn't indoctrinated by it.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

It takes awhile to indoctrinate, so it makes sense why they weren't indoctrinated from the shock. But, why did they not keep Shepard near it while they were out?

@willfanofmanyii3751

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Probably remnants of clarity during the indoctrination.

@darthgueedo

11 ай бұрын

I think Object Rho was a reaper communications relay; possibly one of several, similar in function to the leviathan orbs, that could transmit data and commands from dark space, across the galaxy, and all the way into the galactic core. I believe it facilitated Harbinger's observation and communication with, and direct control over, the cybernetically-implanted collectors. If so, it would explain how Harbinger assumed albeit limited control of Dr. Kenson and her team, not to mention while observing Shepard and speaking directly into his mind. As for Shepard being indoctrinated, I personally think Shepard's continued exposure to the reapers, their servants, and their technology had an observable effect on him, given Shepard started having nightmares, which the Rachni Queen might've described as "songs the color of oily shadows".

@RogueWill83

11 ай бұрын

My guess? Time. Simply put, Shep wasn't on that asteroid for long enough to become indoctrinated

@Sheechiibii

11 ай бұрын

It can take time for indoctrination to be complete, if they want a useful servant rather than a husk that is. Even Saren who was around Reapers for as long as he was, was able to resist up to a certain point because he was seen as a valuable resource and I'm sure Shepard would be viewed as an extremely good tool if they could get him/her.

"The only good Batarian is a dead Batarian" - Commander Shepard probably

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I mean hey, there's also uh... that one, the uh... the guy who worked with Garrus when he was Archangel.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf I like to imagine that Mindoir Shepard was seething inside when Garrus told them that lol

@tomleary508

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf I think that is one of the flaws in how we the player get to see the Batarians. We never see these "good" batarians. I'm not counting the ME3 refugees because they are sadly just set dressing. The best batarian we get to interact with is Bray and he's not exactly a good person. It's hard for us to see the batarains as anything other than a purely chaotic evil species.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

@@tomleary508 I suppose the trilogy is more interested in drawing a line between the radical and non-radical Batarians, less so them being 'good' or 'bad'. An example that comes to my mind is the sick Batarian you meet on Mordins recruitment mission. If you choose to save him, he quickly changes his tune and is much less xenophobic against humans.

@redslothgaming3704

11 ай бұрын

​@Tom Leary I'm glad someone can say something about Batarians that's not just how much they deserve to due horribly. I wish Bioware did a better job fleshing out Batarians in the Trilogy instead of making them these cartoon boogeymen.

You know what's absurd? That Joker does say a line! IIRC if you choose to contact Normandy instead of warn Batarians you can hear Joker speak. So they did bring in Seth Green in to voice joker, but they just didn't add any line for him at the end? (I might be misremembering, but I vividly remember hearing Joker in Arrival and being stunned that he was indeed voiced)

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

He does speak, BUT it's a re-used line from Horizon. So they didn't record anything new.

@LegiyonEhellout

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Oh okay I didn't know!

@MagicSpud

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Correct. Also begs the question: Why not recycle some more Joker lines for the ending when Normandy picks you up instead of having that random person? Joker definitely has enough lines in the game that can be cobbled together for a brief generic response to being hailed for the pickup. Maybe that was a breach of their contract or something.

@Anvilshock

7 ай бұрын

@@MagicSpud No, it _raises_ the question. Yes, you're using it wrong. No, it does matter. Yes, the phrase as such exists. No, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

This is actuallt a very important plot DLC for renegades, because this is where Shepard gets a real taste for alien blood. Spends the next 6 months in prison thinking about how good it felt. Then got released and immedaitly begins genociding as many races as possible, regardless of logic, topping it off with shooting the star child, the ultaimte renegade move, dooming everyone to die. But by god, they got a lot of red points for that.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Ah pure renegade playthroughs, a classic chaotic stupid story lol

@thebutterflycomposer7130

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf "Well, what about Shepard?" "The violently deranged psychopath who can't hold a consistent ideology or morality for ten seconds?" True renegade deserves an in depth study to see if there's any consistency to it across a single game, let alone the series. I think the consistent thing is some form of intense human centric xenophobia, extreme disregard for life, a geniune need to murder and be violent at every opportunity, a strong dislike of anyone telling you what to do, a strong dislike of anyone questioning you or your orders... I'd say it's a kind of facism but then ME2 and 3 come around and you can be renegade against cerberus, leading to some arguments where both sides are literally agreeing with each other, or saying they're right but THEY are the ones who want to do the thing, etc etc. And of course, a true renegade run ends in ME2 with the deaths of every single squad member bar shepard, zheed and mordin. You can kill the later personally by setting him on fire afterwards, and shoot mordin in the back early on in ME3.

@Legendendear

11 ай бұрын

@@thebutterflycomposer7130 The one thing consistent with Renegade Shep? Do as much damage as possible/just being an asshole in princip. I wonder why the council does not cut you out of the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Program...

@thebutterflycomposer7130

11 ай бұрын

@@Legendendear comes from never really defining what SPECTRES are. Some are super cops like the FBI, some are clearly controlled state terrorists, some are super soldiers, some are really good scientists and investigators, and all of them seem to be extremely good at getting whatever task they are given, done. Shepard is just the most dangerous by far, because they not only have a top of the line stealth ship, fanatical followers, special forces training and oceans of credits and other resources, they are also capable of talking anyone into doing anything - and are extremely capable of doing ANYTHING they feel they need to do. A paragon shepard is terrifying and awe inspiring in equal measure. A renegade shepard is essentially a human reaper, dropping out of the sky and either murdering you or forcing you to bend the knee to their will.

@enclavehere223

11 ай бұрын

@@thebutterflycomposer7130 Honestly not even the xenophobia is consistent for renegade, after ME1 renegade just meant being an asshole or do something an antihero would do. Even when you were doing whatever Cerberus wanted it was written less as Shepard agreeing with TIM’s ideology and more as Shepard believing that the ends justifies the means.

My favorite part is that if you choose to not even ATTEMPT to save the **305 THOUSAND** batarians it gives you a mere 4 renegade

@bruhgod123

7 ай бұрын

yea like why doesnt it give you paragon batarians are a galactic pest

@GreenTomas2372

4 ай бұрын

I’m sorry but do you really WANT to save the Batarian colony?

@Syrian-guy

4 ай бұрын

I mean there's always innocent people ​@@GreenTomas2372 so I've tried to warn them🚶

it always bothered me how stupid and bad arrival was. it was nice to finally see what hackett looks like, i guess

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, but I wish they'd saved his reveal for the end rather than just unceremoniously opening with a video call.

@Paradox-es3bl

11 ай бұрын

Do we not see Hackett on the Citadel in ME1? Isn't he standing near the steps to the bridge thing we walk across to speak to the Council? Gives us a few side quests?

@steampunkerella

11 ай бұрын

@@Paradox-es3bl no, that's admiral kahoku.

@blind-harper

11 ай бұрын

@@Paradox-es3bl nah thats kahoku and cerberus kills him later on in his quests. (another thing that makes 0 sense for shep to be working with cerb) just like the cerberus orchestrated thresher maw attack in sheps akuze background

If they were worried about Kensen getting killed, you could just bring Thane and Kasumi. Thane's loyalty mission shows he can get around without being seen and Kasumi can just walk around cloaked if she wants. The premise of this DLC was always flawed and only exists to set up ME3. This would probably be the lowest point in the series in terms of narrative, if the ending to ME3 didn't exist.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I honestly think with the extended cut and Leviathan, the ending of 3 is miles ahead of arrival.

@shawngillogly6873

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf I don't think Leviathan fixes ME3's ending problems. "See, you got more stuff about how synthetics and organics don't get along." I ended the Geth-Quarian War with mutual reconciliation. "That won't last we sayz so!" Nah. sloppy writing remains sloppy.

@Paradox-es3bl

11 ай бұрын

@@shawngillogly6873 Also, "I made Synthetics and Organics agree to co-exist." but the endings are then: "Great! Do you want to destroy all Synthetic life and negate that? Control all Synthetic life and negate that, because it's meaningless when they don't CHOOSE co-existence? Or, merge all Synthetic and Organic life and negate the point?" Literally the ending negates every choice you made unless you were ALWAYS anti-Synthetic. Anti-Geth, Anti-Reaper. No nuance. No chance at redemption.

@blind-harper

11 ай бұрын

@@Paradox-es3bl i think for me4 they are gonna make destroy canon but retcon a bit of it like they did with the extended cut. the teaser for me4 is just a big ass crater of a geth face. whether that means they are all dead or liara n crew are looking for them ig we shall see. could be about the search for shepard or something as well

@thatlat5831

9 ай бұрын

​@@Paradox-es3bl Destroy ending still pisses me off it destroyed every reaper technology which includes the mass relays Milky Way shouldn't exist after you choose destroy.

This mission should've had Shepard and the Virmire Survivor working together to rescue Kenson.

"If they see a group of armed soldiers, they'll kill her." However if you don't do the DLC, Hackett sends a group of armed soldiers and solved the problem without Shepard, making Shepard utterly useless in this scenario.

@mikicerise6250

11 ай бұрын

In fairness, she dies anyway.

This is quickly becoming one of my favourite "video essay" channels. Great work as always!

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Hey thanks mate!

Definitely go for a countdown of the best DLC for the Legendary Edition! And yeah, Arrival is my least favorite DLC as well. Mainly because you’re on your own. I love having my squad mates with me on missions

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

It does suck how squishier classes are really fucked over.

@kanebekkattla3963

11 ай бұрын

​@@pikmonwolf I'd have at least taken some teammates with Stealth training. Kasumi (if you have her dlc), thane, or mordin (STC training)

@SchulzEricT

7 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Unrelated to Arrival, or even DLC in general, but speaking of LE: Man I'm so fucking let-down by LE. All they did, it seems, was break ME1 by un-balancing it. I don't want to come off like a Dark Souls player - it should be hard for everybody! Get better! BUT... I'm watching a handful of people play ME for the first time, and I've seen 2 Techs, 1 Vanguard, and 1 Infiltrator; NONE of them use powers all that much. I'm convinced that allowing every class to use every weapon with a high degree of expertise encourages players to do so; if you can only use the pistol as a Biotic, then you're essentially forced to use your powers. Instead, everybody is playing like a slightly weaker Soldier. It's a bummer. Also, the Mako is way OP, which again allows people to play "wrong" and they end up dying, instead of figuring out the "right" way to play and then getting good, so eventually dying less (there was more of a learning curve to the Mako in original edition, which I think is better). Although the speed boost is obviously a massive improvement. I wish they would've tweaked some things instead: now that we know the entire story from 1-3, you can go back and have some choices be more impactful. As an example, I'd have you get something like a 10% boost to your shields vs Geth weaponry in ME3 if, in ME1, you allowed the lady Bhatia's body to be examined by the Alliance. ALSO, dude... have choices TRULY matter. If Mordin dies in ME2, you can't cure the genophage. If Wrex died in ME1, then the Krogans don't unite at all (so if Wrex dies in ME1, then even if Mordin lives and you can cure the genophage, maybe it doesn't matter?) Maybe make Jacob not suck? (Unless he's supposed to suck? Like Javik?) I honestly like Vega, but give him some depth. Re-design Ashley in ME3, because what the fuck was that? (I'd like to have seen every squadmate in ME2 get, like, 3 different outfits: casual, uniform/light armor, and medium/heavy armor, depending on character. I guess the DLC gave every squadmate more options, but mostly they weren't good. Except for the characters whose uniform options went from "good" to "pretty much the same but slightly different".) I would've wanted to fix ME3, shift the focus from Cerberus to the Reapers, like it should've been. Maybe that wouldn't have been feasible... but at least have Cerberus be less plentiful, it's ridiculous. (Or maybe have them be that numerous if you gave Cerberus the Collector base? That would make sense to me, although I'm not sure why you would do that. Maybe you have to give Shepard some sort of boost if you do, so that it's a viable option?) ALSO: I may have said this before (I've said it a few times in comment sections talking about ME, I don't think yours yet, but...) I felt like the developers had a really good idea what "Paragon" was, but with "Renegade" they were much more scattershot. Seems like "Renegade" was pretty much anything that *wasn't* Paragon. Your interaction with Nassana in ME1 is such a perfect opportunity to nail down Paragon vs Renegade: Paragon should help her, because the life of her sister is supposedly at stake. Renegade should tell her "you made your bed, lie in it" and report her to C-Sec, causing her to be arrested. SHE BROKE THE LAW, SHE ADMITTED TO BREAKING THE LAW, BUT YOU, AS A SPECTRE, CANNOT ARREST HER!?! Neither the Paragon nor Renegade route allows you to arrest a law-breaking senator??? WTF??? Or, conversely: Paragon upholds the law and turns her in, while Renegade decides that the law is more guideline than rule and decides that the life of her innocent sister (so we think at the time) is more important than the law.

@GriffRunning

4 ай бұрын

Infiltrator is both awesome and super infuriating because of having to use snipers.

"Kenson is my friend, if they see a squad of armed soldiers they'll kill her." "Copy that Admiral. Kasumi, Thane, stealth op time." Hell my Shepherd is a fucking Vanguard who couldn't sneak to save his life. Best way to get it in without suspicion would be to just send in my stealth inclined teammates.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Very true. The only time it makes any sense is if you're an infiltrator.

I'd like a too 5 countdown. As for the reason why an indoctrinated Kenson just tells Shep on how to stop the Reapers, I figure that the only way to explain it is that this was simply how Harbinger wanted to get Shepard in the proximity of Object Rho and potentially indoctrinate the commander. Note that the Harbinger expresses some interest in Shepard's preservation in Mass Effect 2 and 3, if the Indoctrination Theory is to be believed

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

That's very fair, they explicitly say they want you alive. But they could've just lied to get you there. Even something as simple as "I'll explain when we get there, you need to see the artifact to understand."

@filerecovery5319

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Only answer I can think of is the Reapers assuming that wouldn't satisfy Shepard and there's really no other way to come up with an answer without attaching a headcanon to the writing. Ultimately, that's just how they wrote the thing to get Shepard into the fun zone

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

@@filerecovery5319 Harbinger just has too much of a crush on Shepard to lie to them

- what do you call killing 300,000 batarians in single day? - - a good start? -

Regarding the last point you mentioned, could it be that EDI noticed that somehow a random asteroid with thrusters suddenly started approaching the Mass Relay which prompted them to came in close to investigate which would make sense seeing as they could be searching for their commander who was missing for 2 whole days and this was a possible lead, meaning they already started approaching the asteroid even before Shepard started contacting the Normandy which would (kinda) explain why they were there so early. Of course, I'm just throwing ideas around.

The thing about Kenson’s indoctrination, remember ppl can act like they aren’t indoctrinated at all half the time. Remember Rana Thanoptis, the asari scientist that was studying indoctrination, she was very much indoctrinated if you saved her ME1, and goes on to kill the other asari when ME3 kicks off. So it’s not out of the realm of understanding that ppl who are indoctrinated can act a little normal or whatever.

@eight-cloudspurple5871

4 ай бұрын

Dont forget Saren, he can hide the reapers in front of the council fairly well.

I'm going to defend the Normandy hanging out by the relay: While its stealth systems are active it's pretty much undetectable. However doing stuff builds up heat, so if they are made being right by the mass relay means a quick jump.

@prtfdc2

11 ай бұрын

Wasn't it said that the Normandy 2 doesn't have heat build-up?

@gabrielrussell5531

11 ай бұрын

@@prtfdc2 No, it just has a better heat-trapping system so it can be stealthed longer.

@MagicSpud

11 ай бұрын

On top of this maybe they're pulling a Han Solo and hiding out on a nearby asteroid. The Batarians from the prison confirm that there's too many out there for them to search effectively without Kenson narrowing it down.

I never looked too deeply into Batarian lore, but their feeling of superiority over having four or more than two eyes is interesting, considering Prothean's are revealed to have 4. Even Javik makes a comment about how he doesn't understand other species see with only two eyes.

I was hoping standing your ground while you're at object Rho would mean you'd have to wade through fewer enemies once you wake up and make a run for Kenson

I digged the music and sense of urgency at least, it’s wild to consider the implications that everything the franchise is dedicated to trying to stop is minutes away. Kudos to the two alternate fail screens for letting the timer run out as well.

For the mission, one change would be to allow a limited squad selection to give some more engagement. Not the full squad, just the ones suited to a mission like this, those being: Mordin (former STG) Kasumi (master thief) Thane (drell assassin) Miranda (the illusive man's right hand woman) Legion (a geth autonomous infiltration unit) Five choices. Hell, limit it to a single squadmate because kenson is a mandatory figure, that works. Maybe give them different dialogue during the infiltration and asteroid escape, and if you chose to bring a squadmate have them free you from the medbay if they're outside, or work with you to get out if inside. Like... Why wouldn't Shepard bring along backup, or at the very least have a plan set in place upon arriving at "the project" site to inform the governor of the system about an imminent danger and to evacuate. Maybe make it a speech check to convince your squad to help the batarians

Arrival seems it had a different script beforehand, but the change in writers changed it into a completely new direction...just like the ending of Mass Effect 3

Random question why does 'The Project' require certain guards to carry flamethrowers?

@griffingower1883

11 ай бұрын

Rachni maybe?

@alexeyburenkov2292

23 күн бұрын

because it is fun - to flamethrow everything. guys just were on a vacation.

Thank you for more Mass Effect videos. I don't know what is it about your ME videos exactly, but I rewatched the few you made several times these past few weeks I can't wait to watch this one. Keep it up man, thank you for the great content

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I think it's clear just how many times I've replayed this series and how much I love it despite how mean I am towards it. I am currently replaying it again lmao

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

And thank you for the kind words

@LegiyonEhellout

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Of course, I mean it!

Your videos are simply sublime. The viewpoint on that fantastic trilogy that you are sharing with us is just an absolute joy to watch and listen. Great content! May it never end! I should go.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Hey thanks man, that means a lot.

I played arrival just before ME3 was released so the idea that the relays going exploding = mass death was still at the forefront of my brain. So when the original ending of ME3 shows ALL the mass relays exploding I thought I'd killed everyone anyway

thank you for your videos! I'm always looking forward to your new ones: the way you present the material is easy to catch and always interesting

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I'm glad you enjoy them! And thank you, it's a lot of work, but definitely work it.

I always thought she wasn't full indoctrinated yet but really did believe that they should side with the reapers

There is a mod out there where Arrival now can be triggered at 4 different times which are set on installation. This includes vanilla behavior (post-Horizon), after the Collector Ship, after the Reaper IFF is acquired, and after BOTH the Suicide Mission is done and the Shadow Broker has been dealt with.

@ADGZone

11 ай бұрын

I put the Arrival mission for after I've done everything in the game. Since I always did it after everything

@vitoldwisniewski

11 ай бұрын

@@ADGZone Yeah and i still think Bioware was the laziest company since they never bothered to fix the original mass effect 2 since the number of bugs in the original ME2 still pales in comparison to the number of bugs in the remastered version such as where your companions do the slidewalk bug after your talk with the council (if you saved them in ME1) and the krogan who doesn't hold a weapon before meeting wrex/wreav and then there's a floating shotgun when wrex comes to greet you? Or Tarak when you meet him on Omega during the archangel mission where he has this huge hole in his head if zaeed is in your party? I mean that's a decade-old case of poor programming on the devs part that has bugged generations of gamers and they never bothered to patch it. And it took them Decades to finally addressed it in Legendary Edition but i don't plan on wasting my cash on LE when it should have been dealt with for the 3 games in the past. So the poster for the Arrival DLC is misinformed about what's lazy.

@blind-harper

11 ай бұрын

@@vitoldwisniewski all true but at least there are mods that fix everything. played the LE on insanity with 10ish mods recently and it felt like an entirely new game. no annoying bugs/extra flavor and content/better gun and ability balancing

@vitoldwisniewski

11 ай бұрын

@@blind-harper Yeah well as Peter Griffin would say, "You know what really grinds my gears? How very few people play the original Mass Effect games let alone mod it because they are too busy working on the Legendary Edition. Well i say The Original Mass Effect Trilogy still needs the love too." 😒 If LE can get good mods with no annoying bugs/extra flavor and content/better gun and ability balancing, then the original ME Trilogy should get the same thing without exceptions.

@blind-harper

11 ай бұрын

@@vitoldwisniewski tmi the ot has way better mods still overall. a lot of them couldnt be ported over fully. for example because the LE lacks the multiplayer you cannot mod in any of the abilities from the multiplayer into the singleplayer. which is tragic cause the multiplayer had some insanely fun characters to play as. i still think the LE is just more polished overall. outside of having less mods theres not really any reason to play the ot over le

Here's how I would rewrite the indoctrination plot: Kenson was not indoctrination and the Project did take precautions to prevent indoctrination. However, the safeguards are not perfect and some of the people on the asteroid have managed to become indoctrinated. Since it's a thing that happens subtly, those who work near Object Rho would slowly become indoctrinated and slowly getting other people indoctrinated. They finally fully take down the shields or whatever around Object Rho and started opening fire on Shepard. The scene then plays out the same way. In two days, fully exposed to Object Rho, nobody could resist the indoctrination. Kenson herself turns out to be very susceptible and began to "see the light" and "embracing the power of the Reapers" though there are a few hope spots as she tried again and again to resist. Shepard would have temporary allies who are not yet fully indoctrinated to fight those who are though they know they would succumb eventually. All they are doing is buy Shepard time to make sure that asteroid does crash into the mass relay. The final confrontation with Kenson would really just be a coup de grace. At this point, I would describe Kenson to have a split personality, being between her old self and her indoctrinated self. She rigged explosives onto herself a la [certain bad groups of people so that they could take out their enemies]. The renegade interrupt is pretty boring as Shepard would just shoot her while the paragon route gets her to blow herself up without her going to the engine controls or reactors to stop the asteroid from accelerating. As for the other stuff, in no particular order: Shepard could insert via a drop pod or something that Hackett provides, could be experimental for stealth drops; the Normandy could have been nearby the whole time after they had lost contact for days and Joker could say "finally! You're there. We're coming to get you, Commander. Hold tight!" and the reason that Shepard can't contact them directly is because some sort of interference or a jammer that only the comms array can punch through; after going to the Project and leaving Aratoth, the reason that Shepard can't contact the Normandy is because there is a specific protocol for communication so Kenson tells him to maintain silence until they get to the station and use their comm array (this part's really weak, though, which shows how big of a plot hole this is).

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Definite improvement

@Anvilshock

7 ай бұрын

That comms tower could even function as a "comms tower, wink-wink", as in, the jammer itself. After all, to jam radio, you need to _jam radio,_ and what better equipment to do that with than, well, existing radio equipment.

Awesome work!!!

Love any video you make so definitely would like to see a DLC vid.

I mean for your last point I’d argue if the crew saw a meteor with thrusters accelerating towards the mass relay, they’d probably look at it and go “yep that’s Shepard, let’s get ready for pick up” cause let’s be honest, they know the kind of shit shep gets into

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Best argument I've seen so far lol

I went straight from 2 to 3 without playing the DLC (I don't think I owned it at the time) so, imagine my confusion when 3 starts out with a court martialling attempt and Shepard's being told "Think of all the Batarians you killed!" Um... as far as I know, the only Batarians I killed were shooting at me first.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

Same. It was such a dumb decision to lock the context of the opening to 3 behind a DLC. Although even without the DLC, you're still left scratching your head over where all your current squadmates have disappeared to lol

@sealeneee

11 ай бұрын

Doesn't it only mention the Cerberus stuff when you import a ME2 save on which Arrival wasn't done?

@ologracz1110

5 ай бұрын

​@@sealeneeeif you import the save without arrival it's never mentioned why you are grounded. Anderson says vague shit like "after what you've done, you could be expelled" and no details are ever provided. That intro is catastrophily bad.

@Commodore22345

4 ай бұрын

Way to prove you are a liar OP. If you import a save in which you did not complete the Arrival DLC, then Shepard is being court martialed for his involvement with Cerberus and theu clearly say that at the beginning of ME3. I get it, you want to jump on the hate train for something that the majority of people think is awesome so you can seem different and cool. That doesn't mean you get to sit here and make up lies to try make an amazing game seem like it's not good. Especially when your lie is something that can be easily fact-checked as being false.

getting back on my mass effect bullshit and im so happy you make content for it!!! Your videos are so genuinely entertaining and I'm loving all the lore and random facts you put in- it's been a feast for the hyperfixation :) and i'd love to see the top DLC video if you do make it!!!!

Awesome video as always! It would be great to see more ME content from you, so i say yes to that DLC idea 👍

Jokes on you, that guy at the end of the dlc that said the Normandy was picking you up. He was the shuttle pilot who does the crazy maneuvers like dropping you off on the Shadow Brokers ship hull and getting the hell out of dodge. Don't take this joke seriously.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Lmao, nah man that's canon now

I think that they had a different vision for Mass Effect 3 overall, which is why this dlc feels pointless to begin with. Since the EA acquisition the story has started feeling less cohesive with the 2 new entries in the trilogy. The characters in all 3 games are great, but the overall plot really took a hit imo.

I would love to see a mass effect DLC ranking video from you! Any vid of yours is time well spent :)

At least the idea of propelling an asteroid to destroy something was original enough that they only used it once before in Bring Down the Sky (and it was the batarians doing it...)

Playing this as a solo sentinel made me want to die. All my abilities are for buffing my allies (trauma from sole survivor), please don't leave me alone.

Personally, I think the biggest plot hole in the DLC is the fact that the plan is to ram an asteroid into a Mass Relay to delay the arrival of the Reapers. Yes, Kenson did say that a Mass Relay's durability has never actually been tested, but I still find that hard to believe, since the Mu Relay from the first game survived a supernova (which is arguably far, FAR more destructive than any asteroid in the galaxy). The idea of crashing an asteroid into a relay being as effective as shown in the DLC brings up questions of why you don't hear that tactic being used more often in Mass Effect 3 (if a system is overwhelmed by Reaper forces, why not take them all out with you in a blaze of glory, or at least delay their travel to the next system by several months), and it makes the Reapers seem pretty stupid for leaving such a blatant oversight on their design, since the Reapers themselves made the Mass Relays. I always figured there would be some kind of force field that would cause asteroids to bounce away from Mass Relays, or the other way around. It never made any sense to me why a plain, rocky asteroid would be enough to destroy a Mass Relay; it always came off as a poorly thought out inverse of Bring Down the Sky, with humans moving a massive asteroid and a Batarian colony getting destroyed. The idea of Shepard ramming that specific asteroid into the Mass Relay COULD work if the writers went with this idea instead: Kenson's team were actually building a massive Element Zero bomb INSIDE the asteroid. Allow me to explain... If you travel to one of the systems in the Krogan DMZ, you will find a planet blown to smithereens, with the known details being that Krogan scientists were developing a superweapon, and in testing it, they not only blew up the planet, but wiped themselves out in the process. It mentions that some Asari poster on the extranet speculates that it was the creation of a Krogan superbiotic, but that was regarded as nothing more than a conspiracy theory that's likely not true. The planet in question is also one of the few sources of Element Zero you can extract in Mass Effect 2, so my guess for what happened to the planet is that the Krogan scientists were developing what's basically a Hydrogen bomb, but with Element Zero instead of a Hydrogen atom, and the Element Zero was just what's left over from the bomb. Sure, it's unlikely that the Alliance would actively travel into the Krogan DMZ to study what happened to the shattered planet, but being that it's a military organization that's constantly researching and developing new weapons, technology, and ways to apply said weapons and technology, it would not be far off for them to at least entertain the idea of splitting Eezo atoms to make a bomb that would make Tsar Bomba look like a firecracker in comparison. With the revelation that the Reapers would make their first stop in the system for their invasion, it would give Kenson an actual idea to destroy a Mass Relay; what better way to destroy a nigh-indestructible relay than with a planet buster? It would give the Batarians a legitimate reason to interrogate Kenson about why humans are smuggling so much stuff (potentially dangerous stuff, I might add) into Batarian space, and the asteroid would be what houses the Eezo bomb, as it would make for a clever way to hide the bomb in plain sight, and the bomb would have to be massive in order to have the explosive power needed to blow up the Mass Relay. Installing the rockets onto the asteroid would, of course, help bring it closer to the relay, as the bomb would have to be detonated up close to the Relay's core in order for it to work. The resulting explosion would destroy the Relay, and the Relay's destruction would wipe out the Batarian colony and the rest of the system... and delay the Reapers by about 6 months. I know my idea of how to fix the asteroid is just a fanfic at most, and it doesn't address the myriad of problems shown in the video, but it does make use of what's established with the game's environmental storytelling, and it fits with how the DLC makes use of things that were already established in the main game (like Shepard's resistance to sedatives in the beginning of the game coming into play when they sedated Shepard for 2 days). I like to think that it has more thought put into it than what Bioware did.

@pikmonwolf

7 ай бұрын

I like the idea. It is silly that a relay survived a super nova but not an asteroid. Though I feel like it being a super bomb raises the 'why not use this more' question even harder.

About what the Normandy was doing: My guess is that Kenson's operation is meant to be top secret and any outgoing communications could give away the location meaning that Shepherd couldn't tell the Normandy that he was on a shuttle to the asteroid. It could also explain why Shepherd couldn't use his helmet comm to contact the Normandy, since the asteroid might have communications jammers, requiring direct access to the facility's comm system to send a message. This is further supported by the fact that Harbinger only appears after Shepherd contacted the Normandy and revealed his location.

If I rewrote this, I would make it so an npc ally from the batarian government is investigating the whole affair, and it's her work to explain the indoctrinating to shepard, set up the asteroid to push into the relay, and suggests it as a last resort. She isn't in the squad with you but in other parts like security to circumvent the lock down plothole. Your other teammates are holding an assault on the facility that is presumably to save shepard and don't know the extent of the issue, but distract a significant number of the armed forces. Bring the timeline in from two days to about 12 hours total. At the end, the batarian agent drives the asteroid in, resigning herself to a necessary sacrifice, putting the agency in a batarian's hands rather than shepards, but still leaving little evidence to exonerate shepard so the trial in me3 still makes sense

I usually play most sci-fi games with a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief, but I remember playing this mission and thinking why the hell would Kensen go through all the trouble of telling Shepard every part of the program and lead Shepard to the exact thing they wouldn’t want Shepard to see/destroy only to THEN try to kill Shepard… made no sense to me

I actually never thought about about the Normandy.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

It's okay, neither did the writers.

@Dragon81205

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf I feel like this dlc was written by different people every cutscene.

I’m so here for that DLC ranking

I really love your channel, sir, got recommend it by algorithm one day and binge watched it! I hope you grow on the platform 😊

3:51 that always bugged me, you're telling me that the time that it took to recruit Samara, Thane, Tali, go into a collector trap, do every loyalty mission, recruit legion, and finally do his loyalty mission, is enough to do the suicide mission and see a colonist from Horizon being melted but if i do a single mission after the crew is taken then suddenly a lot of them die? Wtf

I love arrival for the sick set pieces and plot about killing batarians. Apparently there's some reaper lore or something idk I skipped the dialogue to get back to the batarians

Most of the plot holes regarding crew was, they literally didnt want to pay voice actors. That's why Shepard alone; thats why joker doesn't talk; thats why you cant talk to EDI and why Jokers one line isnt Joker isn't from the actor.

Godamn, all these years later and I have never been able to get over batarian helmets. THANK YOU!!

I just played this yesterday and I actually enjoyed it, but the helmets on the batarians bothered me to, I thought they were human mercenaries, wich would make even less sense.

I was actually searching for someone hating this mission a few weeks ago and found your channel. Full circle What makes this mission so unfun is you have to do it alone. I love the squad based combat and it's poorly balanced to solo

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

I think it depends on the class. It's fine as Sentinel since you're a jack of all trades. But Vanguard? Oof

@a_jerk

11 ай бұрын

I played adept the last time I played this mission and it was infuriating.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

@@a_jerk Doesn't help that Biotics are pretty bad in 2 overall

@a_jerk

11 ай бұрын

I was having fun with my biotic before the mission lol

First video I've seen of yours. Subbed and checked out your other vids. Keep it up

Top 5 Mass Effect DLCs would be neat. And great analysis as always

Played this DLC back before the legendary edition and found something interesting, if you go before you go get the Reaper IFF you can get a heavy weapons ammo upgrade and a possibility to get enough Paragon or Renegade points to defuse Jack and Miranda's argument.

Arrival is objectively worse if played before the end mission because instead of seeing Harbinger in the end encounter you see the bug he was controlling that dies on the station at the end. Also, yes please, just make more videos, they are all always good 😃

now i can't unsee the eyes. >.< i'm coming back to this another time when I can get over it.

Yaas love these masa effect videos!!

How was the Alliance able to build a base on an asteroid with thrusters while in Batarian territory?

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

That is actually explained. They smuggled in the parts from Omega and built it far away form any of the planets.

@dalekrenegade2596

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Still a giant operation within Batarian territory and the batarians barely suspect?

@alexeyburenkov2292

23 күн бұрын

@@dalekrenegade2596 batarians captured them eventually. so they uncover their operations somehow.

I really think it was such a poor decision to have a DLC be the 'loose' connecting narrative link to the beginning of 3. Mass Effect 2's opening did a much better job imo of (mostly) organically connecting from the end of 1.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Bioware fuckin' loves their connecting DLC. Dragon Age Inquisition continues from Dragon Age 2's DLC and it only has a proper ending in DLC.

@onemoreminute0543

11 ай бұрын

@@pikmonwolf Have not played the Dragon Age series, so thanks for the info. Gives insight into the style in which Bioware started to operate after a certain point. Thank god the beginning to ME2 didn't start with some shit like Shepard being held hostage by Batarians because, oh no, you needed to play Bring Down the Sky to get the 'full' background!

Can't sleep which means it's time to relax and watch this extremely satisfying takedown video again if only because of how gratifying it is to know I'm not the only one pissed off about the helmets. Thank you for the many great times I've watched this video

I really love that pin edit. Great job overall too! Just, wanted to point that out too,

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, that took awhile to get right lol

I absolutely love your Mass Effect videos. They are extremely well done and have opened my eyes to a lot of things in the trilogy. This one is no exception: even though I didn't like the DLC for the illusion of choice, I never considered all the plot holes mentioned. I'd be interested to see which DLCs you consider the best, and maybe a similar top-5 for the worst ones. Or just a ranking of all the trilogy DLCs in general. Also, you can come up with some bullshit for the last plot hole about the Normandy not knowing where Shepard was (for example, TIM tracked them and told Joker to go near the asteroid just in case), but that would still be bullshit. You are definitely right to question that moment.

"Don't ask questions. Just consume product and buy new product." There was definitely a snowballing effect to plotholes as the series progressed 🤔

THANK YOU! It always bothered me how gung-ho my shepherd was to kill 30,000 people. He was skeptical for like 2 seconds and then he saw a timer and was like "WOAH you were fr?!"

@jeremywatters2295

3 ай бұрын

I think that means you're a psycho my shepard waa reluctant but new it was the only choice

Just wow. I never thought about any of this. Just wow.

When I played this DLC I was so surprised by how much was at stake for a DLC and the lack of other caracters involvement. I was waiting for it just be all a dream, then it never was and after it I was just questioning if it was real.

Always annoyed me that we can have the best thief in the galaxy and yet can’t bring her on the infiltration mission

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Very good point.

@CameronShember

3 ай бұрын

Also annoying that an Infiltrator Shepard doesn't really get to play to their strengths much here either. Every Shepard has about the same survivability in the sneaky parts. And once the fighting actually starts, if you're not tanky enough (I play Insanity) you're hosed. (Insanity enemies just charge Kenson while aiming at you with little concern for their own survival and have laser accurate aim with hair triggers) Infiltrator's all about getting that alpha-strike in. Edit: ambiguating gender

this dlc would’ve been much better if it was more mystery-themed where Shepard slowly uncovers that Kenson and the rest are indoctrinated and how they deviated from their original goal of destroying the relay. Obviously, the devs didn’t have the resources or time to do anything as extensive, but its a shame that they couldn’t do more or do better with this DLC

I can see Garrus taking the shuttle straight to the asteroid at the first sign that something's wrong, even playing a "try and stop me" card.

Oh hey, Pikmonwolf! It's been a minute. Well...never a bad time to listen to some Mass Effect content.

@pikmonwolf

11 ай бұрын

Editing is hard and takes awhile lmao