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@REDDSQUAW

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 48 ... I was waiting for the "What Angela Saw" episode 👍 you're always on time.... Survey says two thumbs up 👍👍

@seaneaarmstrong2164

Жыл бұрын

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@patricialagrier5218

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update on the case, I love your channel 🥰❤️ Great job.

@patricialagrier5218

Жыл бұрын

I was in a domestic relationship and I was charged for Stabbing him after he kicked in my door and he dropped my 3mon old son I found out there is not a self defense laws in the state of NJ. Laws need to be changed .

@patricialagrier5218

Жыл бұрын

People please get out of the relationships if you can safely your life definitely depends on it..

I don't think it's fair how they waited 8 years to start a trial and expected her to recall every tiny detail such as how long he choked her. 🙄

@lowkedoutqueen

11 ай бұрын

Sounds like a tactic to me.

@Fletch2022

11 ай бұрын

I dont think its fair how she had 8 years to come up with a defence! Throw her a pitch and she knows how to hit it! ..terrible woman! Stabbing the chair of the man she was having an affair with! True Jezebel spirit! This woman is psychotic!!

@potatolover5436

11 ай бұрын

​@@Fletch2022 deluded

@Cyberwolf9999

11 ай бұрын

Yes like you are gonna ever count when being choked to the point of death. I think then you just pray they stop and you do not die that day. Some prosecutors are really insane

@nora_nayeli

10 ай бұрын

@@Fletch2022 she is no saint. Grabbing a knife was a bad choice but he had a gun. They were both abusive. Who is to say he wouldn’t have killed her?

I was in a DV situation, and the daughter saying it was like he was possessed is completely accurate. You can be arguing back and forth with someone but you will know the SECOND it is about to get violent because their eyes go dark and it is so scary.

@Cookie4XO

Жыл бұрын

Definitely! Not even "like" possession, it literally is. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. I'm so glad you're out of it now. So many women have been killed.

@haileigh7902

Жыл бұрын

@Rebecca Yes, his eyes were bright bright blue and when I would tell people their eyes go dark they just didn't understand. It is seriously like watching a train coming at you but you can't move.

@jubimathew3169

Жыл бұрын

Oh definitely, that’s my life😢

@haileigh7902

Жыл бұрын

@@jubimathew3169 I wish you the best and all the strength to get out of that situation, it took me 7 years but I finally did it.

@DiosanXaquerry

Жыл бұрын

Stephanie is the one that was possessed and murdered him...

The most adult and well spoken person in this entire episode...was a child. She seems to be an amazing child who will do great things.

@supme7558

4 ай бұрын

Brein washed by her mom

@MrNater41

2 ай бұрын

A psychiatrist might say otherwise. If you noticed the way she was smiles while describing blood and chaos. I bet she is not the little angel people assume based on these few clips, just great at putting on a face like her mom

@kly1994

2 ай бұрын

She knows her mom isn’t innocent. The dude isn’t either. If he was attacking and yelling and trying to rape her, the daughter knows more. I’d get it if it was a 3,4, or maybe even 5 year old that might not be cognitive enough and can sleep through any, but the daughter was older and I seriously don’t believe she slept through or didn’t hear anything until it was all over.

@tolkkeen

Ай бұрын

She's 20!

@multifaceteduser3405

Ай бұрын

except shes been brainwashed by her mothers lies

The way she presented herself on the stand seems pretty honest to me. She didn't try to over-dramatise things, or present herself as a perfect person. It's disappointing that the jury didn't understand that imperfect people can be victims too, it doesn't make them "as bad as each other". And it should be obvious that abuse brings out the worst in anyone.

@cleansweepduo2121

23 күн бұрын

I agree with you. She seemed honest in the fact that she did not paint herself as perfect. I think that is important because I know that is what I would do in a similar situation. I know Iam not perfect , no one is. It shows she is telling the truth (I think).Also I know that abuse, especially emotional abuse, really messes you up. There are little triggers from abuse that can hit you hard. They do or say mean messed up things to you over and over kinda like conditioning you. Hard to say for sure, but that jury was disappointing. Nobody is perfect. Lawyers always want to paint the picture of a perfect person on both sides. That just isn’t life. His parents and lawyers were not fair knowing he was abusive and ignoring that fact. If anything she should have been given a more lienient punishment and help like a therapist etc.

@cleansweepduo2121

23 күн бұрын

Also we have this weird thing about making someone out to be perfect when they die. You just want to pick out the persons good moments/ qualities only because it is so sad.

There’s always two sides to every story, but the fact that the prosecutors try to paint him as an innocent victim is completely laughable to me.

@whowantstoknow4168

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

@terrorsquadlith

Жыл бұрын

Well she's the one who tried to stab her previous bf twice and killed the other one so yea..

@maanmohammad8459

Жыл бұрын

He is guilty of not leaving her as soon as he found out that she was a psycho

@vanessacook8088

Жыл бұрын

@@terrorsquadlith yeah that’s her past. Y’all act like she the only one who said something when it was SHOWN IN TEXT how verbally abusive he was. Definitely self defense stoopid.

@soulfireonfire6423

Жыл бұрын

@@terrorsquadlith There’s no proof of what he said as being true! But the man that died, his parents definitely look rich enough to pay someone to say it!!

It’s so sad to hear this child was dragged through all these toxic relationships when she deserved at least one adult who prioritized her well-being and stability.

@mariamab.8126

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree!

@michellewei7349

Жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to my nephew and his sister. My sister dragged her kids through so many of her toxic relationships. Luckily her son (my nephew) has a good head on his shoulders! He got out good and healthy!

@AkashSharma-ib1qx

Жыл бұрын

You can openly blame her mother. Or it’s not allowed for women to call out pathetic women?

@mpacino1224

Жыл бұрын

@@AkashSharma-ib1qx it is her fault for staying in the relationship but not her fault that he was abusive. But yeah, the kids should come first always.

@martymcfly5764

Жыл бұрын

@@AkashSharma-ib1qx a woman literally just called out this mother for being irresponsible and selfish. Put your listening ears on.

That young girl is staggeringly grounded and well spoken. Huge respect, she'll make a brilliant psychologist.

As someone who was raised in an abusive household, I never felt like I had a choice in the abuse. Due to this lack of control I often would say nasty insulting things to my father because it was my ONLY way of feeling some sort of empowerment/control. I was always terrified of my father while doing this but also had a feeling of “what’s the worst that could happen?” Watching this blew my mind. The fact so many people don’t have empathy for Stephanie and what she went through is heartbreaking. Just insane

@thisbeem2714

9 ай бұрын

So true. And the fact that she admitted to not being afraid while she was with another man, but was afraid when she wasn't. Hello people???

@cdennison5936

9 ай бұрын

the truth is something that never changes, regardless of time. lies are impossible to remember after an 8 year time period.

@jasestrickland1704

8 ай бұрын

I’m sorry for the abuse you lived through and I completely, COMPLETELY understand. God bless you and grant you peace moving forward. You deserve all the happiness in life.

@uwu-sk3qx

8 ай бұрын

@@jasestrickland1704 thank you I appreciate that. I worked really hard to process and heal from it and am very happy now :)

@victoriajarvis2260

8 ай бұрын

You are a Sister of the Heart. Hard to get through Father's Day -- and, for that matter, Mother's Day. And the cute store-bought onslaught before it. And the TV ads! Obviously, I am not a member of the Dear Daddy, Mommy and Happy-Happy Family Brigade. What goes on behind fine-looking "Upper Middle Class Homes" with perfect lawns, mammoth shuttered cottage houses and long drives for fine cars. It ain't just trailer parks, like the cliche'. From a big house "nestled cozily back in a cul-de sac" the neighborhood can't hear the screams.

Her friend described what it's like to be in a violent relationship more accurately than I've ever heard.

@jamardns77

Жыл бұрын

She wouldn't be in jail if she wasn't guilty...

@michellerock3543

Жыл бұрын

@catalaya3530 her brief comments keep playing over and over in my mind. I know exactly what you mean.

@lizr990

Жыл бұрын

Her daughter her friends defend her but she crazy to

@mishw1789

Жыл бұрын

@@jamardns77 hahahahahahaha

@digby_dooright

Жыл бұрын

Like Judge Judy says, these two people deserve each other. Don't buy into the narrative.

It’s amazing how certain families cannot accept that their child is capable of violence & abuse.

@kianalautner99

Жыл бұрын

omg say it louder so the back row can hear you!! 🗣️🗣️👏🏾👏🏾 i can’t tell you HOW true this is, especially being a DV victim myself.

@Megan-1017

Жыл бұрын

Seriously my abusive ex could do no wrong. It was my fault, bc I stood up for myself...crazy crap

@mjanny6330

Жыл бұрын

@Megan sounds mutual.

@althompson3451

11 ай бұрын

It's crazy. U never know what people are like . These people are like chameleons just adapt to where they are its scary

@ChristmasDiamond

11 ай бұрын

It’s like they don’t realize the one that knows all is the child stuck in the middle. She saw the evil and her mother won. Maybe not the way she had wish too.

Amazing how only because they lost their child she’s the bad one, yet they had nothing to say about his abusive behavior. It’s horrible that some died, it’s worse when you even in death enable and ok with him beating on a woman. Her having a “mouth” or “attitude” isn’t an excuse to be hit, His parents want to lay blame however they didn’t live there, but Angelina did. I believe her.

@princesaa__

10 ай бұрын

I believe her too. The prosecutor and his family are complete sh*t.

@user-xx4nm3mz4p

10 ай бұрын

The families always know how horrible this person is. They’re always glad that they don’t have to deal with them anymore.

@O2BAmachine

9 ай бұрын

It's hard for those who haven't gone through it to understand. I always feel weird about it because I'm glad they haven't gone through it, nobody deserves to feel like they're nothing, being beat and abused, trying to survive, maybe even feeling crazy (like they say you are) and trying to reclaim some power... I wish nobody died. But, they only know the TV cases. A helpless woman that just says yessir and then starts seeing her kid get abused before she leaves. But that's not the way it goes a lot of the time. He may have expected something was off if she started acting "defenseless", as that's not her personality. You have to sometimes pretend to the point that you do eventually lose yourself and potentially your life. She didnt. And I'm proud of her for that. I think her daughter's intelligence and love speaks volumes.

@BlessedChild7

8 ай бұрын

I believe her myself too. She was still his VICTIM despite how badly the prosecutors painted her.

@HakeemCuragteh

8 ай бұрын

I Believe without doubt she was the abuser and she probably killed he and there was no fight or anything. She is a liar and psychopath

As someone who was raised in endless DV ~ I can say that much of this is accurate. Many victims can get used to the DV and even use it against their partner or taunt them into a violent act. This doesn’t make them any less of a victim. Victims in these situations do what they have to do to survive. They acclimate. Or they are just messed up themselves. Again, they are still victims. And the family seeing him as an innocent angel, incapable of the violent acts proven to have occurred, is also quite normal. They will die on that hill. Just how it is. Had she been the one to have died, they still would have blamed her.

@teddyjackson1902

10 ай бұрын

Mutual victims and neither took responsibility

@jinimurray4090

10 ай бұрын

I truly believe she’s guilty of not reporting to police - even making a paper trail But muder or manslaughter- no

@Emerson-jq8ej

10 ай бұрын

Don't get with a man who whoops you, beats you, and breaks your bones. Unless you like that, then in that case congratulations on your misery.

@delaneyrae7

10 ай бұрын

@@Emerson-jq8ejif only it were that simple, Emerson. do you truly believe that hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people all over the world actively seek a partner who abuses them? surely you can’t be that dense. the cycle of abuse is a complicated thing.

@thisbeem2714

9 ай бұрын

​@@delaneyrae7you are so right. Not to mention how abusers wait until you're good and trapped to ramp up their abuse. A parent of an abusive man will pretty much blame the woman for antagonizing him. You're right. So right.

It’s amazing how some young kids turn to be so smart and well spoken out of a broken family, well done to this young lady.

@timb7775

Жыл бұрын

Ted Bundy was smart and well spoken.

@MT-oi2ty

Жыл бұрын

@@timb7775 anything is possible, but in this case this young lady is clearly not a serial killer!!

@annc.3908

Жыл бұрын

Hard lives create strong people, strong times create Either strong people who were raised with values or immoral people who are raised with entitlement. Those of us who are unlucky enough to be raise in less than stellar households typically choose to not have children.

@bobcat9314

Жыл бұрын

Life will make you hard.. Like steel in and out of the furnace, and beat on...hardened in the fire...

@Mkultra1186

Жыл бұрын

Every person makes choices which lead to who the become, regardless of upbringing. Let us not forget how many Hunter Bidens there are out there…

Two adults who acted like toddlers, and a daughter who has more brains than the two of them put together. Super sad.

@JudyBonilla

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! They were both victims of their own toxicity.

@filiasolis5495

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@ItBeYourOwn

Жыл бұрын

Facts!!

@angelamccrackin5243

Жыл бұрын

You said it right there...

@mamajane85

Жыл бұрын

Toddlers act better than this! Please don't compare their toxic, abusive minds to babies!

I was abused for the eight years I was married. There was only one time when there was any visible marking. He threw a heavy vase at me, splitting my lip open. I had stitches to close a one inch vertical complete open tear in my lip. My husband was a university professor and people teased me that he had done it. At the hospital, and to everyone who tried to get me to say that my husband had done it, I said I fell down the stairs. I didn't want anyone to know that my husband would hurt me. I was ashamed of that. It took a long time to heal the emotional scars, including the teasing from people at the university.

So his parents, who raised an aggressive possessive bully, wanted her to be put behind bars?? The mind boggles

Can't help but marvel at what a good kid the daughter turned out to be.

@oneamong5571

11 ай бұрын

Right. Because of her mother! She was loved and shown love!

@paul9912

11 ай бұрын

How do you know the daughters not working at the club right now?

@janet5846

11 ай бұрын

​@@paul9912 Give it a rest

@KathyHussey063

11 ай бұрын

She's a great young woman, but many who come from such dysfunction are because they're forced to grow up alot faster than they should have to bytheir parents choices. So her damage won't be realized by her til she's in her mid to late 20's. I'm not saying she won't do great in life, just that she'll be processing the trauma of that night (& all the other violent fights she had to see & hear all her childhood, plus the effects from her mom being gone to prison during her very formative years when she needed a good mother there beside her) for a very fong time. She'll carry scars from it, through the different things it all taught her, some beneficial lessons but also a lot of bad coping skills, trouble with or an inability to focus on her ownself enough, trying to not be over responsible to make up for all her mom lacked, maybe trouble even knowing what she should expect from others,, forgiving too much bad behavior, things like that. She also may've learned from her mom's dysfunctional lifestyle & choices, her mom's way of not treating guys right (due to her own life I know) & not knowing when to end a relationship (even if you still love a person) could end up causing the daughter to accept hings she should not accept & to not expect to be treated right, as she should expect. It's alot of baggage to be put through what she's been put through. If her mom had been a GOOD mom, she would not have had her daughter living in a house with so much reoccurring violence, when a GUN was brought into the home, when she KNEW how toxic their relationship was. She bounced from guy to guy trying to get them to pay her bills for her so she didn''t have to.

@jessicaduarte8647

10 ай бұрын

@@janet5846lllm

I would be proud to have a daughter like this young lady. Very brave and genuine.

@CandiceGoddard

Жыл бұрын

She didn't seem genuine to me at all. To be honest I found her very disingenuous but I'm not surprised that someone who puts on a soft voice and smiles a lot and even tries not to is seen in a positive light. It's a typical reaction.

@AmysAttitude

Жыл бұрын

​@@CandiceGoddard I agree. It's extremely disturbing that she smiled throughout the entire interview, any of the interviews. Laughing even. And no, not a nervous smile or laugh.. she seemed very comfortable acting out her part.

@pamelapamper

Жыл бұрын

@@CandiceGoddard 100%! Most ppl are so easily manipulated

@udontevenwannaknowbruv

Жыл бұрын

@@AmysAttitudeSo what is your reason why she would put up an act? She’s glad that she lost both parents? Because that makes no sense. Clearly she had a good relationship with her mom and you’ve been watching too many crime shows to assume every person, kids even, are guilty of something. She has no reason to enjoy her only support system and protecter being taken away from her

@cardiologist3051

Жыл бұрын

I do not see that daughter so positive. She also had the genes of her mother, not good genes. She is an actor, but has cold eyes.

I hate when families just totally disregard the fact that their loved one was an abuser. Just b/c they died doesn’t mean they’re an angel. Bad ppl die too. It’s like they just want “Justice” in any way they can get b/c they’re hurting. Which is understandable but still doesn’t change the fact that this person was a narcissist & super jealous & violent…

@tamitribbiani7907

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, i was like maybe you should have taught your son and brother not to abuse women!

@Scorpiogangg

8 ай бұрын

@@tamitribbiani7907 exactlyyyyy!!

@SD-pd2qt

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, 48hrs. only defends criminals! I felt so bad for this woman😢

@HelloKitty-pe4ho

18 күн бұрын

​@@tamitribbiani7907Maybe her parents should've taught her don't put her hands on men.

That daughter is an AMAZING YOUNG WOMAN!! shows courage, dignity and she is getting a degree to " show her mom" when she gets out of prison. I mean she could Be a bitter self pitying depressed person but I'm just amazed at how she is handling everything

@HelloKitty-pe4ho

18 күн бұрын

Maybe because their were violent towards each other, so she can't just blame the man.

This is why i didn’t date when my kid’s dad left. Didn’t date until my kid TOLD me too around age 17-ish after asking me why I never had a boyfriend. I told my kid that there was too much risk to her if I dated. Not just this type of stuff, but also abandonment issues for her if it didn’t work out 1, 2, 3… who knows how many relationships over those 14 years. It’s not worth it. She is now 21. I don’t regret my decision.

@Rebecca-hc5ju

Жыл бұрын

I commend you for being a responsible parent!!

@helenaasousa

Жыл бұрын

Much Love, Mama. If only more kids were so fortunate to be put first, as you did, your daughter❣️

@wardee549

Жыл бұрын

I did the same exact. Didn’t date until my son graduated high school.

@AncientHebrewNeverDied

Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@P.willow

Жыл бұрын

Me too. My child's a grown adult now. I've just always been very happy to be by myself and my child's safety and security is soo important and always will be.

I like how it's a story of 2 adults but they prioritised the child in the video title because she's the silent victim in all of this thanks to the both of them. It's saddening but also relieving when you see what an intelligent young lady she's become instead of what all this could have turned her into.

@ryfr6711

9 ай бұрын

Best comment 👌

@michaelsinclair3321

9 ай бұрын

From the photographs it's evident they appeared happy at one time, a beautiful family but I suppose with all relationships in the beginning things are sunshine butterflies birds singing and everything's coming up love but as time move on it seems people change or ill say the real person appears and totally clashes crashes and burns the facade that made them desirable and made the other fall in love with them, often times from that point destruction and grief follows, very bad situation here they seemed to have it all but looks are deceiving and have nothing to do with the heart character attitude spirit or behavior of a individual, Stephanie has a amazingly strong intelligent daughter no doubt her mother is very proud of her.

@Faristol7

4 ай бұрын

​@@michaelsinclair3321Some relationships begin well and stay good because the people in them are normal and not two psychopaths like these two obviously were.

@sn1ffy85

3 ай бұрын

She’s 20 at the time. That’s not much living… yet. Hopefully she knows better…. Don’t be anything like “mom”.

@Control-Alt-Delete619

3 ай бұрын

@@sn1ffy85 mum knows best, and 20 years of age is half a life span. 👍🍻

Neither of them were innocent in this, it was a tragic outcome of a toxic relationship. Andrews family has to come to terms he was just as much as an abuser as Stephanie was. They were not good together. She had bruises on her. Stephanie had a foul mouth and vindictive behavior to hurt him. Her daughter is the one who suffered in this. Somehow this beautiful young lady is thriving in life to educate others and help others who go through these situations. That's what you call strong. Good Job Miss Lady.....

@evenesteven

3 ай бұрын

Along these lines, if the use of physical force against a woman is the worst version of a man, driving a man crazy is the worst version of a woman. Sometimes the two go together.

@kikismama

2 ай бұрын

@@evenestevenhow did she drive him crazy?

@Duminique1

Ай бұрын

The one of the best comment in here. He abused her because he was jealousy and she text him foul messages. Both were at fault. I grew up in an abused house. I know she was a victim but at the same time he was a victim to her as well. Both of them were not good for each other. She can tell her side but he is not hear to tell his said. It’s really sad because in cases like this, the ending is the same for both. He could have killed her, but I am sure no one would want to hear his side if it was the other way around.

The mother's behavior during the interrogation is rather histrionic and bizarre, even for the circumstances.

@verabolton

10 ай бұрын

Her overall behaviour is bizarre. I doubt she's telling the truth.

@deborahmulkey1627

Ай бұрын

Drugs?? Meth??

@angelinag4116

Ай бұрын

@@deborahmulkey1627 Normal typical narcissist behavior. Never to blame. I personally consider narcissists to be psychopaths because that's what they are. If anyone understands their psyche, they are psychopaths. Never guilt, no remorse, empathy is played to the best, as well as anger and all other emotions. Does anyone realize how much room there is for manipulation when you play all your emotions?

@ameliadeshane9192

29 күн бұрын

​@@angelinag4116 I agree with your observations. Unpopular opinion but my initial thoughts are that the daughter is as well.

I work in the criminal justice system. Domestic violence cases are a major part of my caseload. I’ve worked on hundreds and hundreds of DV cases. A few things that I’d like to pass along: -If your significant other uses physical force, violence, or emotional abuse against you, GET HELP NOW. Do not wait. It will not get better. You cannot fix the person. The abuse will only get worse. I have seen it time and time again. You may think your situation is unique, and somehow the other person will learn or get better. Trust me, it will only get worse. -If you are in a new relationship, do not move in with the person right away….especially if you have children. Get to know the person. Give it some time. When people move in together after only dating for a few weeks or months, it rarely (if ever) ends well.

@MartaRC32

Жыл бұрын

When the man is the abuser, there´s usually a money-issue involved. She doesn´t leave because she depends on him to pay the bills. In the featured case, he was not stalking her - she could´ve left, gotten a job, and paid for her own bills, differently from some cases where the man is the abuser and doesn´t allow her to get out. She got engaged but started being aggressive with the other guy who called it quits. When the woman is the abuser, the man is usually in for sex, intense sex. Sometimes because of the kids as well. And you said it well - when a - significant other - which can be a man or a woman is violent, neither should insist on that relationship, ever!

@therealz360z7

Жыл бұрын

One thing you failed to mention it doesn't matter if you can barely pay the bills as it is you've go to get some money together you and your kids life may very well depend on it , you don't need to get your hair done manicures the kids don't need expensive clothes and shoes you have go to squirrel money away even if it's only twenty bucks a week.

@stanfen1966

Жыл бұрын

@@therealz360z7 They want ever mention that , thier victims from being loyal to their next option.

@molliemae6855

Жыл бұрын

Princess Peach You might as well save your breath!!

@sfletch3042

Жыл бұрын

​@stanfen I came here to get a laugh at all the silly boys who came here just to spew pathetic"all women bad" rhetoric, and yall didn't disappoint. It's obvious who really plays the victim. How ironic. Lmao

Despite all of this happening the daughter truly turned out to be a wonderful, intelligent , and compassionate young lady. I hope nothing but the absolute best for her future, she's gonna accomplish her dreams and more. Growing up in a household where there's domestic violence is insanely traumatic.

@JdM84126

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree with you. And I just wanted to add on the last part of your comment that I think she will become more wiser in finding love and committing into a relationship because she grew up witnessing the domestic violence her mother went through.

@tystin_gaming

Жыл бұрын

The daughter just smiles as she describes every horrible act that happened...that isn't a coping smile.

@Norah56s

Жыл бұрын

​@@tystin_gaming I noticed that too

@baylorsailor

Жыл бұрын

I think the child believes her mother to be a victim, when honestly I believe the mother was the aggressor. Unfortunately the daughter has been taught to lie about the situation and to treat her mother as a martyr. And so the cycle continues.

@reddeadjuju

Жыл бұрын

Shout out from the 508! ❤

It was a toxic relationship. He beat her, she pushed his buttons. For her to lash out is no surprise. She was a dancer who NEEDED to know how to defend herself. I’m shocked they didn’t interview HIS former gfs.

@DarkFire1536

9 ай бұрын

That is an excellent point!! Why didn't they have some of his ex-girlfriends take the stand?

@seyyyyy3027

6 ай бұрын

Thought so too, they just spoke to Michael her ex smh

Not every instance of domestic violence is one sided... That doesn't mean she wasn't acting in self defense. It doesn't mean she didn't fear for her life. Not every victim of domestic violence doesn't also get angry and doesn't also fight back. I'm sick of people deciding that if someone doesn't fit in their perfect little box of what a victim is that must mean they're lying.

@Breasail

Ай бұрын

This is so true 💯

@MCBS-ob4yy

24 күн бұрын

That’s why it’s still so hard to report. Everyone is always so focused on once side of the story that they won’t wish to acknowledge or hear the other…

You can tell the woman questioning her has never been abused. You can totally be in fear of your abuser and fight back. Sometimes you don’t because you know you will get badly hurt but when it’s happening all the time, you snap and hit back, even though it usually doesn’t do anything.

@Devilicious.

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely fought back against my abuser. It was out of sheer fear for my life. I feel like anyone would fight back if they thought they would be killed.

@kanadah09

11 ай бұрын

While this may be true, I don’t find her credible. So many things point to her guilt.

@peoplenoodlesoup

11 ай бұрын

@@Devilicious. definitely. And a lot of abused women are actually some of the bravest women.

@joasok3642

11 ай бұрын

Its what Amber Heard did but everyone accused her of violence...

@user-yn7lx4qj5f

11 ай бұрын

Snapping back and hitting or hurting someone because they hitting on you is self defense, different when your not being attacked and you pick up a knife and stab them in the neck, that’s what the forensic evidence proof, that lady murdered the man. not because some of you can relate to DV n are female you going to be illiterate and blind to acknowledge the proven wrong doing in this case, it’s clear she killed the man in cold blood, she bin the abusive one in this relationship.

Her friend described the reason a lot of people stay in domestic violence situations very eloquently very on point.

@darma99

Жыл бұрын

I just thought that too,.. until the more information about this woman behavior... Her previous fiance also sue her for domestic violence.. and she admitted she also text him and intentionally makes him mad... Why she surprised he will be abuse her??

@ginnysnyder9703

Жыл бұрын

Yes !!

@darma99

Жыл бұрын

Especially when she answered questions about her ex.. she always answer it without looking at the journalist.. she excuse she hit the victim cause it's "she hit back"...and the same time acting like she's a helpless victim... And her answer about the incident have a many version. This woman is not a victim.

@Analysis_Paralysis

Жыл бұрын

Yes! And if she had been an abuser herself, she would have also abused her child, but she didn't. The daughter seems to have had a lovely childhood, until he entered their life.

@Earthdogbonzo3

Жыл бұрын

​@@Analysis_Paralysis On point! The daughter is happy and focused on her education, and shows no conflicting signs of anger or ambivalence towards her mom. Your comment brings good questions to light.

What a great outlook the daughter has, her mother did a great job raising her! Your mom is proud of you already and will continue too! Keep up the great work, keep your head in ur books and stay out of trouble so you and your mother can reunite. I know its hard but you have a good head on your shoulders. Im proud of you and the career path you are taking is a great one!! I wish we can have an update when your .om and you reunited.

I can see where she's coming from. It is hard to get out of an abusive relationship. I've been in two of them, and my first one my ex-husband was so abusive that he gave me a brain injury and now I have uncontrollable seizures and can't drive anymore. My second abusive relationship my ex-boyfriend would put a loaded gun to my head every time I would threaten to leave him, and one time he even pulled the trigger and luckily the gun jammed. With him I only was able to get out of the relationship because he got arrested on another unrelated felony, and while he was in jail I wrote him a letter telling him we were through and I got a restraining order against him so when he got out that he couldn't come near me or my son. I'm so glad I haven't seen him again. So I can relate to how she feels. It's hard.

I’m not finish watching but when people say why didn’t you go to the police. For why? Historically they don’t help UNTIL someone is dead.

@sr2291

Жыл бұрын

Amanda Mayne went to the police station asking for help, and 48 hours later, she was gunned down on a public street by an ex-boyfriend.

@sistersofthemaccabees2497

Жыл бұрын

Going to the police might have helped her to not be convicted of manslaughter. She might've walked free because of all those police reports🤷🏿🤷🏿🤷🏿

@jadeybug12

Жыл бұрын

I had an ex mailing me my own underwear and pictures of me changing, went to the police with the evidence and the policeman asked me “well, has he ever hit you?” When he smashed my window with a metal chair trying to break into my house, the policeman said because he never entered the house, and because he never hit me, that there was nothing the cops could do. Then they had the nerve to be surprised when he choked his new girlfriend into freaking unconsciousness. As if I was not trying to show them he was progressing for years.

@marcusmelancon3426

Жыл бұрын

@@sistersofthemaccabees2497 even then that’s not likely I’ve studied cases like this before as a criminal justice major because the police don’t want to be blamed for allowing it to happen after it’s been reported they’d probably say she was making it all up trying to get him arrested and when it didn’t work she killed him

@nopenope9118

Жыл бұрын

@@jadeybug12 I’m so sorry that happened to you. I can’t even imagine the fear, let alone anger at the cops for doing nothing to protect you.

Did anyone else think Angelina was going to play more of a part based on the title?

@whiteshadow7584

Жыл бұрын

I thought she was gonna be a key witness or something

@uhsaywhatnow

Жыл бұрын

They used the kid as clickbait and it’s wicked gross. She was 11 when this all happened.

@millennialodyssey5956

Жыл бұрын

I did and they are trash for click baiting.

@angiebear8727

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Thought she’d be a witness at least

@iMatti00

Жыл бұрын

@@angiebear8727 - She probably was a witness but they just didn’t show her because the judge didn’t allow it to be recorded. And they were able to speak to her as an adult instead. Maybe.

She was credible....I say that because even questions that made her appear in a bad light she answered honestly. As someone who has experienced this type of violence and psychological abuse I can see she was programmed into this vicious cycle....continually trying to hope for the best. But, it always gets worse. tragically so in this case. PTSD is no joke. and Stockholm syndrome is very evident in this case. .

@shelteredsparrow2736

5 ай бұрын

❤

Andrew was an abuser…I can’t believe his sister and mom are defending him?! I’m sure his dad abused him also. So it’s basically his families fault he was abusive.

@marymckay7154

10 ай бұрын

And the poor boyfriend...hope the lady gets the help she needs while incarcerated and the daughter for all she was needlessly put through.

@staciasenkel8913

9 ай бұрын

I am thought the same thing he must’ve been raised in a messed up family

@matthewboiser2570

7 ай бұрын

The guy was an abusive prck and the mom and sister were in total denial, disgusting.

@user-ck9mi6nx8f

7 ай бұрын

Excuse me ,do you know Andrew and do you know his family well?do you live with them ?did you see what happened at the time of the crime ..and why do the killer"s family and friends have the right to say what they want with praise,..while...the victim's family must shut up and not even sympathize with their son..

@chloscorner

7 ай бұрын

My ex's mother would intervene and beg me to stay with him despite me telling her only a small fraction of what he did to me. Classic familiar denial. "My relative is perfect"

It's sad when families don't think their family members can be and are abusers. I think they both were wrong. He did not deserve to die, but his family is naive.

@marriejames01

Жыл бұрын

The sister is definitely delusion. The photos don’t lie.

@keithhutchins8803

Жыл бұрын

Blame the victim

@heatheraulen9867

Жыл бұрын

@Keith Hutchins If that's how you read it, that's on you. I just find it ironic his family considered him completely innocent.

@sfletch3042

Жыл бұрын

​@Keith Hutchins Nope. Not even close. She said nothing to indicate that his death was his fault. She is stating that he was an abuser, which is true. So many men love avoiding accountability and trying to enable others to do the same. Grow up. Her comment doesn't define victim blaming at all. Smh

@keithhutchins8803

Жыл бұрын

@@sfletch3042 he’s dead

In the middle of watching this and as much as I believe he was abusing her. I believe it was mutual abusing. It was a toxic relationship that turned tragic.

@sfletch3042

Жыл бұрын

There's not really a true situation of mutual abusing. There is domestic abuse and then there is reactive abuse in response to that.

@jamardns77

Жыл бұрын

​@@sfletch3042 Andrew was definitely reacting to abuse. She was abusive mentally. Why would she make fun of him after sex FOR NO REASON. that's toxic af

@neisci

Жыл бұрын

@@sfletch3042 some couples change roles every now and then making it mutual. It's called toxic relationships.

@rationalskeptic1

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry but a man 2x the size of a female should never raise a hand to her. I don’t care how many WORDS she said to him.. he physically abused her, period. He killed himself in my opinion. Her story makes total sense.. and even if she did stab him which I don’t think she did(he ran into the knife) it was clearly self defense. She shouldn’t even be in jail. He would have killed her eventually. She’s lucky to be alive. His family should be ashamed of themselves. Your brother/son punches women in the face and chokes them.. Attempts to rape them too. Your in denial. So weird that you don’t want to be interviewed… that right there proves you know you’re in the wrong.

@rationalskeptic1

Жыл бұрын

@@jamardns77 I know men like him, and it’s probably because he tried to blame it on her. Sh probably wasn’t “turning him on enough” or some bs. It’s always the females fault with guys like him. What a man child.. punching a tiny woman in her face over WORDS.

Why people expect a victim to be 24 hrs timid and hiding under the rock because of their fear? Because she fought back doesn’t mean she never been abused.. The guy’s family seem to think it’s ok for their son/brother to beat up a woman but not ok for a victim to fight back. It was a toxic relationship it was just a matter of whom would get hurt more, if they think she is evil then the same applies to him too. Much respect to the daughter, she turns out so well.

I don’t understand.. she got out.. she got away.. she got engaged to another guy. He broke it off because apparently she was abusive to him. So she was single again.. free of any men. But chose to go back to Andy.. I don’t get that.

His family is delusional if they think he wasn't equally toxic and abusive. He wasn't an angel and he was an EQUAL contributor to that toxic relationship.

@raymondharris6158

Жыл бұрын

it sadness and unfortunate..but he take her up how her lifestyle..and want change and did stop dancing but he just nt trust her ..and that the abusive relationship continues...he nt man up to walk away...men out there please stop wanting to control females..them nt your child or children

@littleflower23

Жыл бұрын

I think the two jurors who said they were equally aggressive and abusive to each other are right. It was a toxic relationship.

@poshpearls23

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more

@dz7a756

Жыл бұрын

Yes toxic, no angel and an abusive, but didn't deserve to die like this. Stephanie should've never went back to him (I believe because she was afraid to be alone emotionally) and Andrew should've never welcomed her back. Be well and be at peace.

@litehold1144

Жыл бұрын

No, clearly he was the abuser if you know the dynamics of abuse. He was intent on controlling her from the beginning. That does not mean "it takes two to tango", especially if the woman doesn't have a shrinking violet, submissive personality.

For those of you who don't know: Worcester, MA is not a nice place to live. It's easy to get wrapped up in wrongdoings and crime, so I commend the daughter for become so well spoken. I commend her for keeping her head on straight through all of this tragedy in a city where it's hard to look out towards anything else.

@haleigh1133

Жыл бұрын

Worcester Mass born n raised & I can contend that this is true unfortunately

@aoifemabybe5480

Жыл бұрын

i think it says everything about the case and angelinas upbringing i mean there was no trouble from dad !!!! thst speaks volumes the only time angelina and her mammy didnt feel safe was when andy was there i from my eyes n ears think its as simple as that ❤✌🍀🍀🍀🍀🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

@thatwasweird954

Жыл бұрын

Nah, there are lots of nice areas of Worcester and a bunch of great colleges. I know tons of people (born and raised) in that city, and no one is involved in crime. That girl turned out great, despite her mother. Not despite the city.

@ellierivera5519

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if she went into foster child program?

@FeastofTabernacles-iz1gi

Жыл бұрын

i was born and grew up in main south worcester and men and women in relationships and in life are tough as the city is and since the 60s im aware of and worse today is violent .... i left in my 20s yet i do know these relationships from my 30 nieces and nephews there are 2 way violent and agressive ... these 2 here just had an end anyone could have ended up in without a total change of what they and we all grew up in and around.... this is why i left.. i was horrible and was treated horrible also... i worked hard and deep for years to rip out and work out what i was learned from birth and my surroundings in the hood more than inside my home where my parents were not beaters ... the truth that sets us free is the truth about our selves... in all here i seen i agree this sentence and circumstances are just... now i hope the woman inside works and is honest and reprograms what i and everyone i ever knew from there was and learned ....

I for one had a real hard time believing she wasn’t faking in the initial video of her asking if he was dead or not. It seemed way to over dramatized with a lack of real emotion.

That young lady is going to be something!! She has an incredible insight and sense of survivorship! So beautiful to witness! 🤍🤍🤍🙌🙏🏼

The mother hardly mentioned her own daughter. Women who put boyfriends before their children is just sad

@cyankirkpatrick5194

Жыл бұрын

Yes they are, I had a sister who did this and I was furious and there was nothing that I could do to change her mind. And her oldest daughter has a thing for the last 20 plus years and it's the same thing, but she's trying to break the habit but she's too far gone. She rather listen to the drug addict than her own aunt me, who literally raised her and her siblings, but if that's the case in which it is I'm gone anyway because I'm tired of the toxicity of it all.

@robertdonley734

Жыл бұрын

sad, but it happens too often

@ook428

Жыл бұрын

Co dependent violent relationships in the end hurt everyone.

@Sabina_B17

Жыл бұрын

Yet the silly child still stands up for her mother....deluded child 😢😢

@margochanning6868

Жыл бұрын

And that's why I do not believe that this woman was in a domestic violence situation. There was domestic violence but she was the violent one. Her daughter is covering for her.

I grew up watching my mother get beat...the guy put her down all the time. It is very hard to walk away...I seen her with a gun up to her head. Thank God it wasn't loaded. I didn't know that...we would call the cops nothing ever happened. He was horrible to myself and my brothers...till this day it still messes with me. She finally left and went straight into another bad relationship. I broke the cycle...my kids come first always.

@7beers

Жыл бұрын

>>> She finally left and went straight into another bad relationship How awful. :(

@BS-dq1kz

Жыл бұрын

Good for you! Same with me. My kids come first. However, it was my dad and my mom was in an impossible situation honestly. My mom is an amazing woman. Tougher than I could ever be! She did finally get away and it isn’t with someone I’d prefer for her because I don’t think he truly loves her the way she deserves. Nonetheless, he doesn’t abuse her! I can’t imagine if she had gone into another relationship like that. That must’ve been terrible for you and for her too of course.

Stephanie's friend described the battered woman's situation to a T. My mom went through all of that with my dad, but when I was 14 we got out.

When they said she sent him a photo of herself performing....on the other man, I was over it. Their whole situation oozed toxicity.The jurors did a great job on this one when they recognized that BOTH people were abusers and used different tools of abuse as their specialty. People often make the mistake of thinking domestic violence has to be always be a One Victim situation and that the woman is always the victim. As the jurors detected, they were both monsters.

I feel so sorry for this girl who witnessed so much violence. God bless her today and in her future.🙏

@mariamab.8126

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree!

@lukevance

Жыл бұрын

I agree this is very tragic 😢

@simonaivancic

Жыл бұрын

Amen, Lord

@laurayarbrough4646

Жыл бұрын

@@lukevance yes, it is.

Spoiler alert: Angelina didn't see much of anything

@ScrappyKitty15

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!! 😹😹😹 bugged me that they titled the episode that.

@elainevankat5353

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!

@belajadevotchka2

Жыл бұрын

This comment was really hilarious for some reason.

@dianajoviah7612

11 ай бұрын

😂She saw nothing actuslly

@jen0718

Ай бұрын

Yeah it’s more like “What Angelina sort of heard and kind of saw”

Such a wonderful daughter with a good head on her shoulders after living through that. So glad she didn't fall into her mothers footsteps with career choices.

My heart literally aches for this amazing daughters strength and love.❤

The daughter is an amazing little lady! She will be a great forensic psychologist, she's been through so much and yet so strong.

@gigilamoore2656

Жыл бұрын

It's sad that the child has to be "strong".

@millennialodyssey5956

Жыл бұрын

Going through trauma doesn't mean you should or could be successful having a career in the thing that traumatized you. Smh.

@g41133

Жыл бұрын

@@millennialodyssey5956 Doesn't mean the victim can't be great at their dream job either.

@vwchick24

Жыл бұрын

@@millennialodyssey5956I hear you. I have ptsd from trauma. Not this new age, “I have ptsd from stubbing my toe.” It controls my life. With that said, I want to help every single person who has been S.A. or survived DV whether they’re male or female. So many deny men can be the victim; I don’t. She would be awesome at it if she so chooses to take that career path.

@Bee-ly4gx

Жыл бұрын

@@vwchick24stay strong, I love the fact that you want to help people.

It's nice to see all the comments praising and complimenting the daughter. Thank goodness she turned out to be so stable and well spoken. Amazing how resilient some people can be.

@ddavis8988

6 ай бұрын

Some people don't become good because of their parents, some people become good despite their parents.

@Juann_011

3 ай бұрын

I doubt she's "stable", most likely has mental problems and is good at keeping them in check when she's not at home

The two of them are/were awful to each other and to themselves. What an INCREDIBLE daughter. The old saying: great parents have horrible children and horrible parents have great children.

Hated how she was made to look like the bad guy. People that get abuse has a breaking point and she reached hers. She's still a victim in all of this and it's just not fair how she was made to look like the bad guy, she just reached the point where she just couldn't handle it anymore.

@Lemana28021989

15 күн бұрын

Also...basically it was self-defense

Regardless whether she did it on purpose or she did it in self defence, folk tend to forget how domestic violence can force a man/woman to live on edge constantly, the fear they live through, their life constantly being in danger. Try and escape when you can, no relationship is ever worth this sort of toxic “love”. If you have children these events stays with them forever, find a way to escape with your kids. Domestic violence puts the victim in constant fear, you’re on edge all the time, your life feels in danger, and honestly whether it was on purpose or not with stabbing his neck I don’t see this relationship ending any other way because of how violent it was, the only way it was ending was one of them dying. My parents were violent towards each other, he once dragged her up the stairs, tried to throw large objects at her, tried pushing her down the stairs as I was running in front of her, I remember hiding under the stairs with my dogs and an axe in case I needed to protect myself. That sort of violence stays with you forever, so if you’re staying together “for the kids”? Just leave, because it messes up the kids, we remember the violent incidents as clear as day. I’d rather be poor AF and safe than having a roof over my head and parents that violently beat each other. This sort of violence stays with the kids, my brother turned out to be violent when growing up, my mother encouraged his violence towards me so I ended up in hospital with strangulation marks around my neck and head concussions, the violence we witnessed as kids was so normalised that me being treated that way was “normal” where I escaped just before 19 with a young persons charity. Sometimes the violence witnessed as kids ends up repeating itself in an abusive cycle where the kids adopt the same behaviours.

@jordanalijahwon1905

Жыл бұрын

I get the message but you said the same thing over and over and over until you had 3 paragraphs

@Kari.F.

Жыл бұрын

The sad and horrifying thing is that leaving significantly increases the danger of lethal violence both to the victims and the victim's family members. Not just in that moment, but for a long time afterwards. It's like living between a rock and a hard place...

@jaylu7021

Жыл бұрын

I grew up around strong women, a real man would never need to hit a woman. Only cowards do that.

@ZombieSazza

Жыл бұрын

@@Kari.F. it really is, and sadly the police don’t do a great deal to help either, I’ve friends who left abusive relationships and had exes stalk them, one was at a woman’s shelter and had her crazed ex appear screaming at the shelter and it took the cops a long time to arrive, the whole attitude of “well all they’ve done is stalk you, threaten you and harass you, we can’t do anything until they hurt you”, by which point you could be dead. There needs to be better action taken, instead of dismissing the survivor and their safety. So yeah, rock and hard place.

@lindahuseyin4210

Жыл бұрын

I did

„Your brain is like scrambled eggs“ is the most accurate description of DV situations, I have ever heard! Please, leave! They won’t change! Trust me❤

@lostandfound5145

11 ай бұрын

That also resonated with me. It’s such an accurate description

@sammyb1651

10 ай бұрын

@@lostandfound5145 Please leave and for God's sake do NOT run straight into another mans arms. You see this so often-as was the case here. That poor man does NOT deserve you bringing your toxicity, abuse and instability into their lives. Women (particularly) seem to feel so entitled to do this rather than admitting they're horrible, toxic, irresponsible people too. They need to go away and work on themselves ON THEIR OWN to resolve their issues. If they don't, you have very compelling evidence the woman is comfortable as an abuser herself.

If I had only seen the interrogation I’d say she was guilty however after watching the whole thing I feel she was treated wrongly by the court. Should she walk free with no repercussions ? Probably not. But she has to live with what happened for the rest of her life. And the prosecution saying it was pre-meditated is absolutely ridiculous. They totally discounted the nature of domestic violence and his family are the same. The daughter seems to have a stature about her and a drive that a mother can be proud of. Wishing her the best of everything life has to offer

Andrew was also as much to blame for this

I can relate to the knife confrontation because it happened to me, and my ex got injured in the process thank God he didn’t die but nobody believed me when I explained how bad he provoked me and it got so bad that I picked up a knife. Picking up a knife was just to scare him away and get him to leave me alone but at the police station it was misinterpreted as a motive to harm and nobody spoke about how bad the situation was that got us there in the first place. My advise to people going through any form of domestic violence is to get up and leave no matter how hard it gets! Because if you don’t nobody will believe how much you’ve suffered and you will just be sent to jail for nothing! I got Lucky but you might not!

@shannonmeg9380

Жыл бұрын

I hope you know, it is believable ❤ it will be belived and understood and I hope no one ever keeps quiet out of fear again 😢❤

@Absent-being_

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@kocc7966

Жыл бұрын

You don't pick up a knife. You pick up your tuff and leave!

@sallyconfer6785

Жыл бұрын

@@kocc7966 Sometimes you can't leave. Seriously, it's hard to get people who have never experienced this kind of abuse to understand it.

@judithromeo5015

Жыл бұрын

Leaving isn't easy and also depending on how bad it is, they have to hide cause this abusive person stalks them. Your basically damned if you do or damned if u don't. I've seen it thank God they didn't die but the dudes in jail. On the news you hear , most times the ex kills the woman then themselves. It's sad but true. Leaving is easier said than done

If the daughter witnessed the abuse, why did she not testify? This whole episode is entitled "What Angelina Saw" and I have no idea what she saw after watching this.

@margochanning6868

Жыл бұрын

She did not testify because she would have had to do a lot of lying for her mother.

@april2876

Жыл бұрын

@@margochanning6868 This was my thought as well 🤔

@cynthiachirwa6572

Жыл бұрын

imagine

@khismet

Жыл бұрын

She witnessed the abusive relationship over & over & over again. Her testimony was crucial but too much of a risk for the defense.

@MariaLopez-mi4ol

Жыл бұрын

I literally just cracked up....and I also had that same thought!!!!! Maybe she was too young to testify??? She knows her Mother was the aggressor probably 90% of the time. She had hardly no bruises on her that night?? Anyway thank you Jesus Yeshua the Christ that the little girl was unharmed physically and hopefully won't have her Mother's traits at all

I don't understand how they all look so beautiful & so happy together in their photos??!...

That child emotionally handled that with the utmost maturity. She's a strong one.

Despite all the odds, Angelina has come through these traumatic and toxic experiences extremely well. She obviously loves her mother...l wish her every success.

@nomada6789

Жыл бұрын

You can love your mum but you can’t lie

@princesaa__

10 ай бұрын

@@nomada6789she’s not lying 🤣

@marymckay7154

10 ай бұрын

Yes...she deserved one of this...hope she gets some help on the trauma she was put through.

@Control-Alt-Delete619

4 ай бұрын

​@@nomada6789your mum is your mum, and there's no lying to her. 🚫🧠💪

She said he pulled a gun on her but no one mentions if a gun was found on the scene or not. Would've been a nice piece of information to have.

To the daughter. If you ever read this. Keep going. Keep studying. And you will be with your mom again soon one day. ❤️

I’ve been in a violent relationship and what she describes is basically how it is

It's a shame how the family of abusive individuals never see that their loved one was capable of violence. Two toxic lovers ended their relationship with violence. The families need to deal with the toxicity while their loved one is still living. He didn't have to die. He chose that life, though.

@kathyjohnson1911

10 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@dryb3301

10 ай бұрын

And I think they treat them like angels DESPITE behaving violently or abusive and that ultimately can turn them into murderers. Family think because their son didn't hit them he won't hit another woman. He wasn't a helpless baby, he was a strong man and a correctional officer. He could've hurt anyone he wanted behind closed doors.

@elspethrear527

10 ай бұрын

Yes my ex family is the same. They never will admit what a family member is capable of, the victim is always the evil one of course

@TawnyFritz

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention, most abusers are described as loving and sweet by everyone *except* their victims bc that's how they act outside of those closed doors.

@clmhK5

2 ай бұрын

@@TawnyFritz Oh yeah, the same with serial killers and child molesters

Its crazy how hard the prosecution was trying to disregard the abuse she went through and paint her as a liar. Everything about this is shady asf. Then they try to say she planned it all when she had fresh bruises on her body

@paolavesgasalcedo3278

11 ай бұрын

It’s like amber heard all over. Even with her testimony of sexual abuse. This lady was being raped and they did not even mentioned it

@soude85

11 ай бұрын

@@paolavesgasalcedo3278 Do you honestly compare a real DV victim to Amber Heard, who painted a bruise on her face and never had a single scratch on her?!! You obviously didn’t read the court files otherwise you would be ashamed of her actions, on behalf of REAL victims!

@KE-yj4ip

10 ай бұрын

There was zero pictures of fresh bruises. But that's jumping the gun (lol, more in that later), but what a perfect crime to make bruises if you need a cover after gouging someone,who is in one made up lie holding a gun and punching and headbutting....oh, her struggle is real! 😂

@Scorpiogangg

10 ай бұрын

@@KE-yj4ip it literally showed pictures of her fresh bruises at the interrogation. Go back & look at her arm. 🙄

@sandtats

10 ай бұрын

AH in no way resembles this true victim of DV. AH is a lying narcissist, an emotional and physical abuser; no victim.

The daughter seems the most balanced and articulate of all parties involved. I think she’s correct about Andy’s family inability to see his part in this situation. Parents and siblings rarely know as much as they believe they do.

I love how her friend described what it's like being in an abusive relationship.

The only person I have sympathy for is the daughter. She had a sick relationship with a man, brought that violence into her own home and let her child marinate in their toxicity for years. What is not being said in this situation is what is the loudest to me.

@massielgarcia2357

Жыл бұрын

100%

@annacostello5181

Жыл бұрын

I’m not believing her but i dunno

@marril96

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. Exactly this. She brought violence into her child's life and is now playing victim.

@bles05

Жыл бұрын

Lol she seems to be doing fine, a future forensic scientist We all have obstacles we have to overcome

@gregbors8364

Жыл бұрын

@@bles05 “I’m in college” says every stripper, everywhere

Angelina summed it up perfectly at the end. They both needed help.

What a remarkable child Angelina, she is far more mature than many adults out there.I have lived through my childhood witnessing domestic violence and I have learned that it can either make you strong and honourable or destroy you and condemn you to addiction and low self-esteem.Angelina is growing into a smart young girl with a bright future ahead and I am sure she will make many positive contributions along her journey

DV is so scary and difficult to escape. Like I used to have these tendencies with my ex partner (specially when I drank) where I would start fights for no reason. Only thing is I recognized that in myself and actively tried to better myself. I quit drinking and made an effort to communicate. It was hard and still is, but I rarely get angry now and can diffuse situations before it turns into a fight. Therapy helped a lot. It is scary how many people aren't aware of themselves enough to change. And then it ends like in this case.

@doodlebob2023

6 ай бұрын

so u were the abuser?

Such a sweet and well-spoken girl, it’s a shame she had such a traumatic upbringing

@fredajordan5704

Жыл бұрын

Ebony. So very true.

I had a friend that was in an abusive relationship. The 1 and only time she fought back, she was the one arrested.

I completely understand Stephanie and I am on her side because it was typical case of self defense. It was for her to be or not to be. How cruel is the system for a woman who refuses to be a victim and fights back.🌅😺

Y’all really brought that girl back to the scene of the crime and asked her to retell what she saw when she was a child?! How traumatic for no reason-I didn’t need to see her tell the story at the scene to understand what happened. How macabre…as if she hasn’t been through enough. This is why people have a problem with the true crime genre.

@angieemm

Жыл бұрын

Dramatic effect and dredging up trauma gets more views than compassionate reporting

@birdsong8746

Жыл бұрын

She is 20 studying to be a forensic psychologist..did you ever think she may have wanted to do this for her own healing, experience and knowledge, for working with children in her future career? healing comes in many different forms for many different people

@aquarianknight

Жыл бұрын

That why i hate docs with annoying reporters trying to act smart but asking stupid questions

@angieemm

Жыл бұрын

@Zetsu cbs in general is great about asking imprisoned people if they really killed the victim. Groundbreaking journalism, for sure.

@Jellybellycat

Жыл бұрын

So true. She was masking so well during this interview. For even a girl of 20, it’s nearly impossible to understand how to act when on television being asked about a family member’s brutal encounter. I’ve worked in healthcare. I’ve seen my own patients die. It’s traumatic. In the moments recounting what happened, you feel so detached from reality. Trying verbalize what happened, how you feel, etc is surreal. This young lady had to be conflicted with the thrill of being on tv (and riding in a car with a “celebrity,”) but torn up talking about the event. The people discussing what they think about this young lady - that she’s hiding something or that it’s weird that she smiled. It isn’t weird. It’s self-preservation.

Dispite the mothers' lifestyle it seems she raised a very good daughter.

I really hated how many people latched onto things she would say and do in anger to retaliate as evidence of her not being terrified of him. Also the way the Prosecutor called her 'mouthy' in his closing statements. I'm sorry, but is the implication there that she deserved to be abused because she spoke back and whatever he does from that point is acceptable because she is 'mouthy?' Yet, in the same breath are we supposed to say that how dare she speak back to him and fight back because all he's doing is choking her and beating her? 'How long did he choke you for?' Never mind the fact that he choked her in the first place. How much is she supposed to tolerate before it could be seen as self defense? If you want to say they are as bad as each other, fine, but how can the circumstances of their relationship not lead to one of them being injured and dying? I truly believe that it was him or her, but not in the sense that either one of them wanted it to lead to death, more that they were both so angry and aggressive that it was a matter of time before something happened. He could have choked her too long, his physical assaults could have gone too far and he could have lost control and beaten her to death. The point is, in a violent relationship all it does is escalate. If neither partner leaves and the cycle continues it will get worse and worse, never better. This outcome to me was almost inevitable and the real victim is the child who grew up seeing this, exposed to this, and is now essentially orphaned. This case is a perfect example of how imperative it is to break the cycle, get out, and how poisonous it can become for everyone if you don't.

Angelina is a lovely girl, she seems to have kept such a childlike innocence, I hope she has a wonderful future life xx

They definitely brought out the worst in each other. Love to the daughter.

They were both toxic people and were both abusive towards eachother. With that being i believe the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she murdered him.

I agree with the juror who said they were in a toxic relationship & a vicious cycle of abuse that neither one of them knew how to stop. That's what's so tragic.

@Lemana28021989

15 күн бұрын

Still, there was an initator..and it was not her

"I know I look psycho." That's an understatement

Unless someone has been in a domestic violence situation, you truly can't relate. I believe the daughter hit the nail on the head stating that he became a completely different person, like he was possessed. He was baby girl. You know it when you see it and its terrifying.

@margochanning6868

Жыл бұрын

If he was so possessed, how come she's alive and he's dead. AND I know all about domestic violence and child abuse. I've experienced both.

@lunar_moth

Жыл бұрын

@@margochanning6868 Are you saying that people who are abusive and fly into fights of violent rage can't be killed? This comment makes no sense.

@soulfireonfire6423

Жыл бұрын

@@margochanning6868 She was fighting for her life! He lost!!

@catalaya3530

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Between the daughter and the friend, they describe very clearly what it's like to be in dv.

@GhastlyCretin85

Жыл бұрын

​@@soulfireonfire6423 Fighting for her life yet there wasn't a scratch on her? How did that happen?

I was in an abusive relationship for 5 years. Even though I was scared of him and I was walking on egg shells around him all the time I still would call him stupid. I'd yell at him etc. Just because I would snap and fight back sometimes doesn't mean I wasn't scared...that's a dumb defense for the prosecutor to try and make. There was literally proof that he was abusive so all the way feel bad for his family They might have to accept the fact that their son was also an abusive person

@lidiavalentine4296

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@bethanywhite877

Жыл бұрын

Could not agree more. There is actually a book I found called Walking On Eggshells. I was in a relationship with a guy who was controlling and jealous beyond belief. You do walk on eggshells just to try and not start some confrontation with him. It’s impossible. Literally impossible. I stayed in it 8 months. I would fight back because he’s positions in a fight were ridiculous but you start to think did I really do that to make him feel that way. They are mentally breaking you down. I found that book in a secret trip to the library. Yes, secret. That’s what they do to you. I checked it out. Hid in under my side of the mattress and read it in 2 days. Then I had the police stand by for me when I showed with a moving truck. He tried to threaten me but I served him for a restraining order and he went away. We had no kids so there was nothing to fight over. Thank god.

@Mataylor17

Жыл бұрын

@@bethanywhite877that sounds familiar. Yes, they do break you down, try to make you believe you are crazy and even go so far to convince people around you that you are the one abusing them. When you can’t fight back with logical arguments or defenses because they don’t matter when you’re getting absurd accusations thrown at you constantly, you find other ways to try gain some modicum of control again. These kinds of relationships are so much more complex than just “she didn’t cower in a corner every time he got angry with her so she must not have been scared and therefore she wasn’t actually abused”. It’s absurd. Some people would benefit from watching “Big Little Lies” on HBO to get a little bit of perspective about abusive relationships

@wendyc1902

Жыл бұрын

He would have been an absolute liability as a cop!!!

@juliemclain5841

Жыл бұрын

Reactive abuse is a goal that these abusive people have to use against us!

Great coverage, the daughter is so well spoken and the best friend is a Friend we all need ❤️❤️ the mama- I hope you find peace forgiveness and self worth. You’re beautiful.

Her daughter is an amazing strong, determined young lady. She will definitely go far in life. God bless you!!!

She was most likely getting abused.....but she was also abusing him.It was a toxic relationship that was never gonna end well no matter what.Nothing that starts in a strip club is ever gonna be a fairy tale sorry guys...

@laurenmay2098

Жыл бұрын

It is funny, because 48 hours and dateline is full of episodes about people that try it to live a life, but they are very problematic. Toxic, insecure, this never ends well, ever.

@Lorimars319

Жыл бұрын

Exactly well said!

@sfletch3042

Жыл бұрын

Reactive abuse isn't like predatory abuse. If you are abused long enough dependent upon your personality at some point you're going to have enough and you're going to react to that and fight fire with fire.

@toniacollinske2518

Жыл бұрын

Mean texts and ugly texts are no comparison to fists and guns

@riostampede9033

Жыл бұрын

When I worked in the ER (nightshift in Tampa) I was really surprised by how many people came in from nightclubs and bars. Everyone tries to act like you go to those places to have fun, but there's a lot of violence and crime there.

As a woman who has been in 2 IPV relationships, you can have reactive violence, in which the victim lashes out at their abuser, most commonly done intentionally by the abuser so they can say, "you're so abusive, look how crazy you're acting." I didn't hear any mention of this at all in this case.

@dawnribbeck4526

9 ай бұрын

I’m still in a mentally and verbally abusive relationship. After enduring hours, yes hours, of being yelled at, named called, put down the minute I raised my voice even to yell “leave me alone” I’m the bad guy, the crazy one. My vehicle the one Ive paid every note on is in his name, he’s said if I leave in it, he’s calling the police on me. I have no family and don’t earn enough to support myself. I have no way out

@GetCraftyLemons

9 ай бұрын

​@@dawnribbeck4526I'm sorry!! Contact a woman's shelter, stack money somehow to get away, get receipts where you paid for vehicle...somehow find a way to escape! Wish you the best!!

@persona5305

9 ай бұрын

@@dawnribbeck4526 Sorry to hear that but you only need your self-worth to get away from any abusive relationship and nothing else. you don't need vehicle or anything like that. get out before it can turn into worst and call women shelter. you can do a lot of things to earn money and get your own apartment. a lot of people are brainwashed to be useless or worthless that's why they think they don't have a way out and they really think they need to depend on someone to live their life.

@tamitribbiani7907

8 ай бұрын

​@dawnribbeck4526 Do you have a friend of family member that you could come get you? Or a way to get to a woman's shelter?

@tamitribbiani7907

8 ай бұрын

​@@persona5305Unfortunately when women try to leave is when they get murdered.

What an amazing woman her daughter is.

Heart wrenching 💔I pray her daughter lives a fulfilling and successful life. 😢❤️✨

@dz7a756

Жыл бұрын

I pray her daughter has true peace, true love and knows what a healthy relationship looks like. Be well and be at peace.

Ladies… this story should be the example of why you should NEVER quit your job for a man. It’s a control tactic

Brave woman.....You have every right to defend yourself....Good job lady....

Angelina is an amazing young woman with a bright future ahead. I wish her nothing but peace, love, happiness, joy, and lots of success. 🙏🏻❤️

I was a woman in a very abusive relationship and I was terrified of him. I have to admit I did think at one point of defending myself at any cost. I was told so many times by the officers who say my battered face and the bruises from head to toe to leave him. I could not and I thought I could not survive on my own. This was even though I was the one paying all the bills so he could put everything I made up his nose. I never did drugs and he made sure of this. I still stayed because I did love him and was also scared to death of him. I was blessed to get out alive but just barely. I understand this woman and I get why she would actually put the knife in his neck even if intentional. I was never brave enough to protect myself. My family made sure I never saw him again even though he came all the way across the country to get to me. I am alive today and I am grateful for my life. His family knew he did these things to me and never helped me one time. It was always my fault. I feel for her and I know his family will never tell the truth anyways. I do feel for his family but they will never admit it.

@laurieb3703

Жыл бұрын

My ex abused me when I was just 16 years old, he was 18. All because I asked him to stop cursing around my niece and nephew I was babysitting. He attacked me with a fly swatter. I yelled for my friend to run to my mother's house with them and call 911. He threw me on the floor choking me and said "Well since the cops are coming, I'll give them a reason to come". I started trying to say things like "baby, she's (my friend who witnessed him attack me) not really calling the police" "I'll tell them I lied, I love you" etc etc to get him off of me. I ran to the bathroom and locked the door. They broke the front door down when he wouldn't let them in. He was arrested once they got me to open the door and saw my injuries. His mother bailed him out not even a few hours later.... His family was as psycho as he was BUT, he was banned from the apartment we shared and was charged with assault and battery, lost the right to have any weapons etc. So it was a win for me 🎉

@andiestewart7423

Жыл бұрын

The Lord has bigger plans for you👍

@moniqueengleman873

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I am very sorry 😔💔 What a terrifying experience. Sending love and prayers. You are so Brave. You got out Alive. I cannot believe the people we love the most hurt us the most. Peace ✌️

@moniqueengleman873

Жыл бұрын

@@laurieb3703 Get Revenge. Live a Fabulous Life filled with love. Don't ever let Anyone intimidate you. You are a warrior. Peace and Healing

@markgriffiths9377

Жыл бұрын

Well said. I've seen too many cases where a victim of domestic abuse gets a restraining order but ends up dead anyway because the abuser does not respect the law or care about the consequences. This man deserved what he got. It's the only way out for many women. Either he dies or they do. Better that it's him.