Tips on Canister Welded Damascus Steel
Hey Everyone, it's been awhile but, here are some tips on some easier methods of welding canister damascus steels. This video is for using basic (un-hardening) square tubing for canisters to make high carbon damascus knife steels. I hope you enjoy and it helps.
J. Neilson
ABS Mastersmith
www.mountainhollow.net
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Feels like going back in a time machine watching these videos. Working my way backward from most recent Forged in Fire all the way here. You really did a great job providing these educational videos! Thanks!
I'd marry this man. He could make all the swords I've always wanted off world of Warcraft and I could test them out on some trees like the rogue I am. 😋 love you J Neilson and the show!!
Watching the the show you can tell Jay does this for the art and the hobby. Love watching him critique others and also when you see genuine admiration for the contestants on the show. I love the entire cast but Jay seems to be the guy I look at most as far as his judgement on another knife maker. Great stuff.
who else got here after the recent episode with canister damascus and the contestant saying he learned from J's youtube video? lol
@donhuster2508
6 жыл бұрын
me
@extreme11365
5 жыл бұрын
Me
@ryans3194
5 жыл бұрын
I legit just watched it
@scodo8910
5 жыл бұрын
Guilty
@Bent-rAgE-559
5 жыл бұрын
Yup
Watching all the Forged In Fire marathons on History has given me the bug to try my hand at bladesmithing. Getting a gas forge set up this weekend so I can start working on some blades.
Уважаемый Джей Нельсон! Спасибо Вам, что предоставляет видео по кузнечному мастерству! Я желаю Вам долгих лет успешного развития и совершенствования своего мастерства. Спасибо Вам за передачу "между молотом и наковальней" я просмотрел все выпуски, которые выходили в России! Я уверен, что в кузнечной среде Вы являетесь непререкаемым авторитетом!
Thank you Jay!!! You're a gentleman and a scholar! Congratulations on forged in fire I look forward to season three!
Hi, just want to say Big Thanks. Discovered Forged in Fire just a month ago here in the Netherlands, I've been an armourer for years ( longtime ago but severe illness made it stop) but seeing you at work & the show makes me start again, but making knifes this time. Never tried or heard of cannister, but used it now to make a Mokume Gane billet of brass/copper. Works great! Regards from a big fan from the Netherlands.
love the movie posters in the background
Find it even more amazing to see an Army of Darkness poster in the back. You sir, are a gentlemen and a scholar!
Of all the visual metallurgical analysis of pattern welded billet surface properties that I've ever conducted via youtube, yours is by far the best. Paper, oil, sawdust, virgin witches perineum whiskers or any combustible in your can is to purge any oxygen or compounds thereof. Your method minimizes the problem and a can full of whatever usually has plenty enough impurities like oil grease or smegma to combine and purge available Ox. I have another option that works great for me if you're interested Jay! I consider it my best trick for saving time and material plus it's free
Great video J. Neilson. Your a great inspiration for us starting out in blacksmithing. Keep the videos coming. Thanks much.
thanks for the info. I did love seeing you on the forge in fire show. hope you guys do more.
Doing this, this weekend. That's going to make Damascus so much easier.
Really glad I found your channel. Thanks for the info on this video
Look forward to trying that some day. Thanks!
very informative Jay, thank you.
I love the show and thanks for the informative videos.
Great job. Love the show
Big fan of Forged in Fire, J. I'm from Falls, Pa. Not far at all from your home shop. Big fan of Forged in Fire and your metallurgical tips and tricks in forging metal. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you for the tutorial Sir. Awesome!!
Awesome didn't know you did your own you tube videos but keep it up 1st saw you on the TV 📺 you know your stuff Thanks 🙏
Thank you for making this video, it answered the questions I had on doing this and I'm looking forward to trying it.. I'm a beginner just got my shop put together in my garage all that's left is to build my forge. Anyway I just wanted to say thanks, without all the knowledge on you tube it would be a lot harder to figure out how to do things. I can't wait for the 2nd season of forged in fire, I loved watching the first season.
great video, can't wait to try it out myself
The part where he says “I don’t work in Hollywood.” So proud of you and how far you’ve came! My home is a big fan!! I want to go on forge in fire so much more now and the only thing I’ve ever forged is my moms name on a bad report card 🥴🥴
Love the angle he uses with that 20” angle grinder!
Great tip on the Whiteout, very cool and useful. Suggestion, get a 4-1/2" angle grinder with some Walters cut off wheels and slit it on both sides. Much faster than the large grinder and no chiseling.
3 minutes later @ 15:18 he says "popped right out" lol thats classic! Thanks for the very informative video Jay!!!
Thanks for sharing was thinking it was a secret people weren't willing to tell
Hi Jay! I can't believe that I found you on KZread! How cool!
LOVE the Evil Dead posters on the wall!
Thank you! Great video. I'm going to try that.
That is fantastic!! Thanks for sharing - looks like a much easier way to make Damascus; I gotta try this myself....Booyah!
Hey Jay. Only recently started watching 'forged in fire'. Good tv.... I'll be watching more of your videos. Hopefully I'll be on your show sometime but with 0 years experience it's highly unlikely.
Watch you on the show. Love you are an amazing master smith an fun to watch with dave baker.
Just watched the Forged in Fire episode where this was done and one of the guys mentioned your YT video. Very interesting and nice to see you on the business side of the shop.
@reginasadventure7105
6 жыл бұрын
same
Thanks for the advice J about letting the can heat until almost melting up until I did that I got “rabbit droppings” thanks so much
I am a very big fan of you and i like your way of beating blades in forged in fire
cool to watch this video after watching you on forged in fire.really cool
Great video. Thanks. Wish you were still on FIF...
J. Neilson, as I righting this, I'm watching season 4 episode 15 - The Gladiators' Scissor. It's paused at the 2 hour mark in round 1 because I got curious as to how a Canned Damascus was made and that was because you said right around that time canned Damascus was your favorite to do. Anyway I paused the show and wanted to look up how it was made and the very first video is this one. Great Video. I honestly have never attempted to make a sword or knife but I have played with steels and fire and watching them glow. But however I am inspired with the vast number of possibilities you can do with forging and would love to do so and I know if and when I get to afford a way to forge I will use your knowledge that you offer to gain experience needed great teaching.
@pmurphy5948
6 жыл бұрын
hahahahah me too! lol :D
you are an amazing person and i love you!!
New to canister Damascus. Thank you for a very informative video. May I be so arrogant as to share the observation that I believe cutting the opposite side of the canister might save a bit of time and effort? Thank you for your willingness to share your experience.
Just sub J. Your the best big fan. I love your work !
Thank you very helpful 🔨💪
Gotta say sir, you guys are doing a damn fine job with "forged in fire". It definitely has a hint of the reality show feel, which normally I am not too fond of. However I think thats almost mandatory for shows of the same type. Keep up the fantastic work sir!
@dirt3fmodified748
6 жыл бұрын
while on the subject of forged in fire", i really wish they would calm "g i joe" down...will gets way way over the top with the barking
I've watched forged in fire for year's I had no clue you had a KZread channel. I've come across another very helpful tip for canister Damascus steel he uses a white spray paint and man he can pop a can in minutes. I'll go see if I can find the video where he talks about the paints that he uses, and I'll post the link here if KZread will let me.
Tried my first canister yesterday, did not come out like this :-) Practice makes perfect, thanks for all the good info J.!
J, I love the fact that you give info freely and try to advance the craft. That, to me, is truly the downside of the ABS method - it's all about the buck. On the other hand, you constantly say on FiF that they should just grind it without white out. Pick one.
Thank you love the Show I was wondering why can't you cut the opposite side also? wouldn't it just open up without trying to pry it open? I love that idea with the whiteout like you said it was jiggling around in there. I really enjoy forged in fire show and watching videos thanks
I just subscribed to your channel, I’ve been watching you on Forged in Fire and I would love to take up knife making as a hobby and the army doctors say it would be good for my PTSD. It might take me awhile to make a knife though, my dominant arm was blown out by a roadside bomb and I’m not sure if I can swing a hammer for long, but I’d like to give it a try. Thanks for all the knowledge you are sharing.
@cadens8530
4 жыл бұрын
jeff dye thank you for your service, you are a true survivor
Great video, I have a related question, is it possible to make a canister billet with only 1095 and 4600KC Powder? My worry is would the billet be strong enough without adding ball bearings or other parts.
I like the white out tip!
it fun looking at the video but people do not know how much time it take in makeing good knife but if people need help this video will help all was fun looking at a mastersmith at work
Amazing
Thank you J! You really have taught me so much between the show and now this video!! QUESTION--- What size box steel is that 2''? .... also should I use something smaller for a coal forge? I am getting ready to fire up my grandfathers old fan powered coal forge next week with 3 or 4 canisters (my first ever) The forge is located 1.5 hours from where I am now so I really want to have my canisters on par Thanks Again and I hope you have happy holidays!!
I work at a tool rental place and I got me some 3/4 sewer order cable I want to weld up. It fits perfect in the 1x1 square stock I made my first grinder from. I I want to use powedered 1084 because I am intimidated by the heat treating of 1095. I don't have an oven and can't regulate temperature like that. Anywho, I'm going to do 2 variations of the billet. 1 with the inner core wire, and one without. I need to clean them up a lot! The outer wrap I'm not to worried about but that inner core has some grease. So I'm just going to cut it to length, weld the ends, and boil it, then soak it in vinager of there is any remaining oxidation. I just got done making my first " good" billet of demascus. I got a nice profile that I like and only have a couple inclusions that are going to grind out....hopefully. Only 2 more years until I can test for my J.S. So I should probably get good at making knives before I make demascus but it's too fun.
Great Video, would have looked a bit safer if you had worn sleeves, but being American the constitution protects your right to bare arms.. Love forged in fire
@arthurserino2254
6 жыл бұрын
Ah! You beat me to it!
@64t120r
6 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha. Good one.
@louiscraddock9853
5 жыл бұрын
true comic commentary
@MerchantMonk
3 жыл бұрын
Wah-waaa... lol hilarious
Hi Jay, Can you place the white out coated canister next to the forge to expedite the 1 hour dry time?
I "think" (emphasis on think) the reason that white out is a good debonder is that it's often made with titanium dioxide. It's the brilliant white colorant used in everything from paint to salad dressing and has a very high melting point. Thanks for the tutorial! I've got some ball bearings and 1095 powder that I'm going to give a squish and see what happens!
Cool dude.
What is usually the ratio of steel pieces to powdered steel? Great video! Also, wouldn't it be more efficient to use an angle grinder to cut two corners and just pop a side off the canister to get to the Damascus Billet?
Hey Mr. Neilson, My name is Patrick. I really enjoy Forged in Fire. I'm a machinist, mechanical. engineering student. I had a quick question. I have a HC RR spike knife I'm working on and was wondering, since the carbon content is somewhere between .4 and .6 percent, and the hardness will be difficult to get high enough to have decent edge retention. Planning on using Rob Gunter's super quench and wondered if that's a good idea.
Do you ever use the hammer or possibly c-clamps to compress the lid onto the powder? Sintering?
Awesome poster collection on your walls. Army of Darkness is one of my favorite movies. Klatu Verata Nik$%^@% Big Forged in Fire fan, BTW!
This is awesome! I want to learn bladesmithing myself, and I love your show, Forged in Fire.I have a question. Which is your preferred method of making Damascus steel? Is it folding, restacking, twisting, jelly roll, canister, or another method, and do you have particular alloys you like to work with for Damascus?
Mr. Neilson, is it possible or feasible to attempt a canister Damascus without a "Big Blue"? I'm new to the whole forging process, but really like the concept of a canister Damascus.
That is a great time, money and work saver. Real simple to use as well. I'm wondering if there is a zinc paint available from the auto store. Thanks for sharing, I'll share and subscribe.
love the show! i know your a pro just wanted to maybe throw a tip to try for removing that canister after u grind and split clamp the side u peeled up with the chisel in the vise and throw a good pipe wrench on the sqaure side and lean on it n work ur way down the tubing n should fall right out pretty easily.. let me know if it works maybe a new trick from a youngster to a pro thx
I'm surprised more folks - J Neilson included - don't use a cutting torch and scarf that can off. Way more simple and a lot quicker than the grinder, hammer and chisel method.
"obviously I don't work in Hollywood" he says 2 years before he gets a long-running television show on the History channel.
Thanks, great video. I'm sure you hear it every day, but three weeks ago my gf put on a show, "it's like chopped but man stuff" After the show I went out to my shop and made a glorified prison shank out of a file. Made a few out of pre made profiles... Picking up a propane forge tonight...lol So thanks.
@mountainhollow
8 жыл бұрын
+randomname604 Very cool, I'm glad you enjoyed Forged in Fire and hope it helps spreads some forged blade knowledge out there. We begin shooting season 2 later this month. Have fun with your new forge.
@josephrector8735
8 жыл бұрын
+J. Neilson Can't wait till season 2....Finally after about 9 months of youtube videos conned the wife into letting me start making my own blades. Come Christmas I will have a 1x30 and an angle grinder so excited.
@ocdetails
8 жыл бұрын
+J. Neilson Season 2 is WAY better than season 1, by the way. It is so much better put together and the bladesmiths you have competing are at a much higher level. I love how there is more commentary from you and the others than there was in Season 1. It is by far my favorite show on right now. Awesome work! Pass that along for me if you would. :)
@josephrector8735
8 жыл бұрын
J. Neilson a buddy of mine is just submitted his questionaire, Stephan Fowler of Fowler Blades . He is on twitch.tv/wickedbowie he is on pretty much Mon-Sat 10ish-3ish EST..FORGING AWAY LIVE or Google Fowler Blades
@simonh2011
7 жыл бұрын
Need you to get back on season 3!! To be honest i do like your replacement tho (can't remember his name)! Hope the hand is better now
THE Master!
Hi there I am a blacksmith in the uk this is a really interesting video thank you for putting it up. One quick question if you could answer that would be great. I would like to start using nickel in my Damascus but I am having s bit of difficulty in finding what kind I can source and use the most common I seem to be coming across is nickel silver sheet would this be fine to use? Thank you in advance
@DJxerxes9000
7 жыл бұрын
Try scrap metal dealerships. Best ones around are Sims Metal Management, they'll either have some or know someone with some.
@maxprophet2401
6 жыл бұрын
bandsaw blades contrast well some are 15n20. Hacksaw blades, lumber banding, trampoline springs(danger galvanic brain death) and concrete nails can work depending on your other metal. For 5 cents a round you could use nickels, which is cheaper than nicvkel silver that contains zero silver but priced like it does
So zinc oxide is your parting solution. Okay, cant you use the zinc oxide sunblock to create the same parting effect? It's sold in tubes at dollar stores in greater volume than the whiteout making it a better bang for the buck. In thinking about this I was worried about the whole drying factor as I didn't think the sunblock would completely dry but too you mentioned adding oil to the canister for removing impurities(even though you didn't notice a difference), so I was a bit less worried. Would you do a video by chance using zinc oxide sunblock as a parting medium instead of the whiteout? Thank you so much for this video. Most of my smithing knowledge came from my father, a farrier of 60 years experience but after watching Forged in Fire, I personally have been inspired to greater things than horse shoeing.
So, would it work to put on you main cap barrings on an engine build?
Question...Can you salvage the used cannister and use it to do a sand mi????
Fascinating!! So are you putting any kind of flux in the can with your metals and powder?
@mountainhollow
9 жыл бұрын
Bob Azadi Hey Bob, no flux is needed when doing a canister weld.
I have a question could you use zinc paint from an aerosol can instead of white out?
When you made the canister, did you hammer on it at all to weld it, or did you just leave it so it would weld on its own?
If I have access to raw zinc oxide can I use that instead of white out? Like make my own version of wite out?
J. Neilson, have you tried using burnt stainless steel foil instead of white out?
nice job, where do you get the ball bearings from?.cant wait for the new video.
@mountainhollow
10 жыл бұрын
Hey Vincent, I commonly get my ball-bearings from Enco Tool. They've got a good web site and I've always gotten consistently good bearings from them. J.
so once the steal is ready it will push the sides or just one away from the rest of the steal?
Hello thanks for video, how to unite the plates of ex-plane exhaust and a hundreds electrik guitar string waste made from nikle and leaf spring or bearing how to joined that layer by forge to be solid pieces???
Very nice video despite the lighting...lol...subbed
Hi j love your work just a bit of advice. but I guess you prob already know with your wealth of knowledge & experience. Have you tried thick metal wedges on both sides. Could help with all that hammering & bending with the cold chisel . Trying to get that can open And making it go a bit quicker. And saves you hands
do you have to have a press or power hammer to get a canister to weld properly? or will hand hammering work?
Hey Jay I know this video is a few years old but I have been seeing people doing canisters not with whiteout anymore but rather with lining the inside of the can with foil. And it looks like its working, as a ABS master what is your take on this? Have you tried it? As soon as I get extra $$ to make a mistake lol I'm going to give it a go.
Hey, I'm very new to this but ever since I became aware of this forge welding technique, I've wondered why no one uses high carbon steel for the canister itself so that you don't have to cut anything off at all. Anyone know?
Thanks. Awsome show. Love it.
Just a curiosity, but have you ever pressed a billet out of a can? You could weld a couple of square stock pieces on opposing sides of the can after you split it to rest on the bars of the press. Make a die that fits the average ID of the cans and billets you make. You could even tack a handle on it to hold while you pressed it. You would just need to orient the can so that the thickest end of the billet is facing in the correct direction to come out the easiest.
I don't know if it has been mentioned....But wouldn't a little judicious heat along the piece from a O/A Torch or Forge (Whatever) Make peeling off the Can a bit easier?
i learned doing what i do with trial and error.... my first piece was made from a stainless steel spoon... what im asking is what is the ideal heat for stainless
I am from forged in Fire beat the judges
@ethanhoward5933
3 жыл бұрын
Pictures or it didn't happen
I'm a fan and I'm a beginner bladesmith I need advice
Would be interested in seen a video on how to judge if the canister has been heated enough
Can I go with a lot thinner can? I have a ton of 2”x2” x14ga (approx 1/16”)
Do they make different coarseness of steel powder? I want to try making Wootz in a canister.
In a great number of ways, this reminds me of crucible steel. A smith puts his iron ore, or his bloom, whatever his steel source is, along with coal dust along with some sand and glass (that what the guy in the video used) in a canister( he called it a crucible) of what I think was some sort of clay. This seems very much the same, except the crucible is a metal tube filled with existing steel bits.
@adrianfirewalker4183
5 жыл бұрын
Basically