@2:54 Breakfast of champions right there

“Now I want a certain length. That length is as long as I can make it.” Liked and subscribed

And not one ball bearing was harmed in the making of this knife...!!!🤣🤣 Way to go Eli!!💪🏼🔥🔥👍🏻🤣

I can't believe nobody has made a commercial product specifically for preventing welding when using a can.

@paxtonpickett3456

22 күн бұрын

A lot of the other people use white paint, white spray paint

So what happened to part 2? Curious to see what happened.

Saws-all as a settling device is genius.

@moshpitmachine

3 жыл бұрын

I can't remember where I first saw it but I remember it being a few years ago and thinking the same thing

Loves to hear himself talk!

Looks like it should make an interesting blade. You should invest in some stainless tube for your canisters. That's what I use and you never have to worry about it sticking. You can buy a 2' piece for $20 and your canister contents will just slide out. Best money spent.

@smartypants5036

3 жыл бұрын

Great tip. Thanks for sharing.

@erikcourtney1834

3 жыл бұрын

I second that process. But if you get to hot the stainless will stick. I usually lightly oxidize mine first. Then there’s no way it will ever stick.

@TyrellKnifeworks

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikcourtney1834 Yeah, the tube I have has a little bit of dirt and grime in it so it works well. I've literally had a billet just slide out of it when I knocked the end off. 😉

@erikcourtney1834

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyrell Knifeworks gotta love it when they do that. Makes work all that much faster and enjoyable.

If you add some paper, wrapping the inside of the canister, it will not only eat the oxygen causing a vacuum but cause a carbon layer as not to let the metal weld to the sides. So it is a dual purpose of getting two birds stoned at once.

Pour zircon furnace paint down the inside of the canister, let it drain through. Repeat if you need to to coat the interior with a nonstick layer

I always use liquid paper to stop the welding of the can, let it dry and then stuff the can.

@sran9492

3 жыл бұрын

I heard its better to wrap it up in the literal sheats of paper because it forms a nice ash and it doesnt stick

@wekker090

3 жыл бұрын

@@sran9492 That is what the Japanese did, paper, straw and ash. but liquid paper works perfect, but must be dry before stuffing the canister.

So I love this video because it showed how to trouble shoot and work around issues. Also gave that nice warning about venting your can lol

You know they do make these really cool things called funnels they are made out of plastic and work very well.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

crazy

@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks

3 жыл бұрын

LOL...Should have checked the posts before I said the same thing.

I love these kind of vids. SOrt of like a trend now.

I was wondering what was up with like the handsaw/hacksaw thing with no blade, then I realized he's just using it like a tiny jackhammer with no blade to settle the bearings. Smart working my man.

I so enjoy watching you experiment with these techniques and different types of forging!

That's gunna be a sick dagger. Can't wait to see exactly how it comes out

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

I’ve got some rusty 2” tubing I’ve been using for canisters. Previously I soaked it in vinegar to clean the rust off. But have always wondered if it would benefit leaving it on. I may try it now. Although using oxidized stainless steel tubing is yet my favorite process.

I still have so much to learn. I've seen many videos even every season of forged in fire and I've never heard of a vent hole. I've heard the opposite that you need a seald shut container

Looking forward to part 2

I was just picturing someone forge welding big bbs together one at a time... I don't know why but I'm still laughing.

Learned a lot today. Thanks Boss..

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

"Might get breezy later" A full sized adult moose flies by looking quite confused at the lack of inflight entertainment.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, totally. 75 mph gusts!

@brentkeller3826

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Had some wind out east coast side in my area like that recently. Surprised me that no trees came down on power lines for once. Or any of my local dairy farmers didn't lose any cows.

Judging by the dust and you're still wearing long sleeves in March, I'm guessing you're out in West Texas. Greetings from the other side of the state!

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, not gonna read through 262 comments, but cracking and inclusions on the edge are probably from your burners in your forge. You could clearly see they were not evenly heating the can, imagine what it's doing to your billets.

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it's from the tension forces on the billet lengthwise during forging...

Are you going to show part 2 of this video? That pattern looked sick. Would love to see how the dagger turned out.

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, eventually. Thanks for watching!

@eddiethompson717

2 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge You bet. And keep up the excellent work and tutorials.

Great save. Awesome pattern can't wait for the next video. Don't know if it would work for forge welding. Sometimes if I don't want weld splatter to stick to something I'll cover it in soot from a carbonized flame with the torch. Spatter just rolls off.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah that might work, maybe it would rub off too easy?

@natedawg9404

3 жыл бұрын

Probably. Good point.

Way to keep at it and finding a way. Lucky it wasn't a big venting.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, for sure

So why didnt you just fill the tube with the balls vibrate it and then add the dust and vibrate it to fill inthe space?

@gregmead2967

2 жыл бұрын

I would guess that adding balls then dust repeatedly is a bit more efficient in making sure the dust is well packed in between the balls.

Didn’t even know about having to vent.. forged and fire which I know is a tv show always says you need it air tight. Makes sense though always some moisture and I enclosed container means it goes boom. Thanks for the info for if and when I get into this hobby

@smartypants5036

3 жыл бұрын

There is a knife maker from the Ukraine, I think, who drills a small hole in the end of every canister that he dose and soaks the canister in kerosene before forge welding. The burning of the kerosene eliminates oxygen in the material to be forge welded.

@michellebradshaw2801

3 жыл бұрын

@@smartypants5036 are you talking about Shurap? His videos are great. He does a lot of stuff I haven’t seen before

@smartypants5036

3 жыл бұрын

@@michellebradshaw2801 I think you might be bang on the money. The name is very familiar to me he is a craftsman of note for sure.

I have never priced it, but Tim at Big Dog forge uses Stainless steel square tubing and has no issues peeling the can. Might be worth it in time saved.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking so..

@lunkydog

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge I'm fairly sure I've seen him mig weld on the end caps, so there's no need to worry about trying to get SS flat plate for that and the rebar handle welds to the end with no problems.

i don't know if this idea has been given to you but, i know you can pour liquid white out into the can to coat the inside before adding your material. i haven't done it myself so i can't say how well it works

@El.CapitanPuddles

3 жыл бұрын

Haha i just commented the same thing i have used it in the past and it work pretty well

Metal seems like it wouldn't forge together if the scale method was true.

You can use liquid white out to keep your can from sticking to your material

The forbidden cereal 2:58

Still waiting for part 2

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

I started on part two..!

Is there a part 2 to this video?

Secrets to Non-Sticking Cannisters to weld material that ive seen. "Shurap"=Master Blacksmith fills the cannister with what ever metal powder steel and ect. when Closing He grinds "Pepper" & Cuts a Red Chilli Pepper on top then welds the top closed and Drills a Small hole in the End.. it NEVER Sticks ever! seems Silly But Man it Works..I Hope this Helps you!! i love to watch all Blacksmiths! Have a Great Day!!

My dude. A few dollars for a nice silicone funnel will make your life so much easier.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, true

Whiteout works as a protective layer. Just be sure to let it dry COMPLETELY

Many lessons were learned that day, and fortunately none of them were learned at the cost of physical injury.

I want to do this.

i've seen some smith's drilling a hole in one end of the canister after welding it shut. i think that is to prevent the canister from popping open from too much pressure

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's correct

Why not stainless steel square tubeing if you can get it?

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

I hear that works great, I haven't sourced any yet

I think steel heat treat foil is the best thing to use for canister welding.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

It works well, white paint is easier to work with though

Paper mate whiteout is a cheap easy way to stop it from fusing to the can.

@jasonray6458

3 жыл бұрын

Let it dry completely before filling up the can.

Watching you work made me think, “this fella needs to build a foot pedal for his press!” Similar to circle track race cars, a pedal with a loop that basically goes over your foot so you can accelerate and decelerate would be needed. Anyways, cool video!

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I actually put one on a short time ago!

@snr2707

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Great minds..

I'm sure I saw some guys lining out the canister with Pritt correction fluid, the stuff you use to correct typos. Some guys use it on their computer screens(!). It makes sense, as I suspect the main ingredient in it is chalk, which doesn't melt easily. You just throw some in the canister of which one end is sealed, roll it around until all surfaces are covered and throw out the excess.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I've tried some of that, haven't been able to keep it from flaking off as it dries

@troywalker8078

3 жыл бұрын

Titanium Dioxide, maybe?

@timberwolf1575

3 жыл бұрын

@@troywalker8078 That's what most "white out" correction fluids use as colorants. While it works to prevent bonding when in place, keeping it in place is a function of the binding agents used. Unfortunately, that part varies more with a lot of binders being VERY sensitive to oil and scale.

You should always do a just in case hole

Yeah that wind storm was fun huh? I'm up in brownfield and we got it for about a hours. Yankee repellent. Hahahahahha

You should have way more subs

White spray paint is loaded with titanium dioxide. The cheaper the better. You only need it for the barrier, not it’s intended use.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I actually used that for the caps, and it worked great. I haven't been able to find any paint that says it has Ti dioxide in it, some actually say zinc, anyway the one I tried on the caps didn't say but it worked.

@troywalker8078

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Most water based paints have Titanium Dioxide. It's what makes the paint thick and cover easily.

Is there a part 2? I can’t find it 😩

@FireCreekForge

7 ай бұрын

No, there's not

I call it ... 'The Claymore"

Why not using just stainless steal box section for the canester?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I hear that works well

@stevenl.passalacqua3953

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge I'm not a blacksmith, so I don't know if it works. Maybe it's worth a try..

You can buy plastic funnels at Dollarama for about a dollar. All sorts of different sizes and colours. If you don't have a dollar I'm up and you can always try Walmart or Target

Could never find part 2 of this project.., 😜

Очень круто! Ты молодец!

try to put white corrector in your can before the bearings

You could use thinner tubing

They make these cool things called "funnels" you can use to pour things into smaller openings. You might think about investing some money, I think you can get a whole set of them for around a dollar at the dollar store.

@gwenndolynnmecklenburg6457

3 жыл бұрын

I always wonder after seeing this ..... how the US went to the moon,....

@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwenndolynnmecklenburg6457 -- lol...come watch me for a while and you'll think it was a hoax and we never did!

Bud. Follow through

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned!

excellent. keep on trukin!

I thought I saw a hole in the first end you welded on but then welded over it? I wonder if heating the tube compromised it's seam weld? Maybe with thun cans a canoe style cannister would be easier to apply ss foil or paint it?

Surface grinder?

As a pipewelder by trade I keep looking at my stub bucket and wonder if those 6010 and or 7018 stubs would work for a canister Damascus blade

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine you could weld them into a billet for appearance, but would not make a good edge steel

What is that white powder that is placed on the iron while it is hot

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Borax

@mimounmettar7233

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Thank you, I wish you good luck

Could you have welded one end of the canister, then filled the canister with white out. Then slowly pour the liquid out of the canister to get a uniform coating? You could always catch the white out and save it for future projects.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but i haven’t had much luck with white out, for some reason it flakes off

@markdarragh6620

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge Gotcha. I have never used a forge, so if my next suggestion is just dumb, that's why! lol What about using two pieces of angle iron, afix the foil to the inside of each, then weld the two angle irons together to form your canister. Would that end up just melting the foil?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

@@markdarragh6620 that should work, i think

So glad you didn't stop and redo the can but rolled with the punches!! It's gonna be a beauty!!

Use house hold white out as a liner on the inside of the can just dump it in and roll your can until the whole inside is nice and coated it will help keep your filler from welding itself to the can

Have you ever tried stainless box tubing? I got a pc from my buddy that was food grade from a supply company and it worked great can pealed clean

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Not yet

Dayger? You mean a dagger? Lol

What kind of power steel did you use?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

1080 with 4% nickel added

Надо было контейнер изнутри промазать канцелярским корректором или чем-то подобным для хорошего разделения после варки

White out will keep the canister from welding to the material. Just let it dry first

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

I use white spray paint now, have had great results with that.

@antchung2370

2 жыл бұрын

Is there a part 2?

What's that grey thing you mixed with the ball bearing?

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

That is powdered steel

@mordimustafa1275

2 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge thx

Carbon works as a weld spatter prevention , as shown by Michael over at michaelcthulhu here on youtube , dunno if you have a propane or torch but if you do it might be worth a try

Try lining the inside with white out and let the white out dry you have to or it won't work

What kind of press are you using?

@FireCreekForge

2 жыл бұрын

It's a press I built

When you learn, we learn.

Stonemountain went forging knifes :D

I hear white out works to keep it from welding to your blank

Is part 2 out yet? Couldn't find it...

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Not yet..!

Maybe a stupid question, but why not use a stainless canister when forge welding?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I hear that works great, of course the ss tubing costs more but is probably worth it. I haven't tracked any down yet.

next time dip the can in paint then hang the can where the paint can drip out of it then it should be ok

I seen people on Master Forge use wite-out on the inside of the canister.

Ok so I am really really new to metalworking/bladesmithing but I was wondering about how he couldn’t fit the steel foil in the tube so it’s smaller diameter... This might be a dumb question but can you precut strips to a little past the length and run them through to give your separations, then fold the at the bottom before welding it ... your foil already formed ... so can just add your powder and bearings? Is that feasible or am I missing something that should be obvious?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Foil doesn't cooperate that easily, there would be voids in the corners of the canister...

what would happen if you cold blued the inside of the tube before filling. I have no skills at metal smithing but just wonder what the result would be

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think that would be sufficient to keep it from on welding, but I'm not sure

Hey is it possibel for flux in forge to melt cannister or was my forge too hot. I just made my 3/4in cannister and there was cannister missing. I drilled 1/16 hole so i don't believe it exploded, didn't hear pop.

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like too much heat, flux will coat the steel but not visibly erode it.

Here I am looking @ a man wasting slingshot ammo!!! 🤦🏼‍♂️ Good job on the knife 👏🏻

you liquid paper (white out) let dry first

What if you just mix the bearings and powdered steel together.. wouldn't that make it easier to fill the can?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

Possibly, but I want a concentration of bearings so they are touching, then the gaps filled with powdered steel, I don't know if that would work if they were pre mixed

Next time u might wanna try dipping it in paint. Leaving it to hang drip and dry, then u simply sand away the paint were ur welds have to go..

Whiteout or spray paint with Titanium in it??? What one is better for coating the canister?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

I think paint stays on better

@stoneinthefield1

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireCreekForge I need to upgrade my forge to get to welding temps but when I do Paint it is.

Which powdered steel did you use?

Whats the powder he puts in when putting the bearings in?

@FireCreekForge

3 жыл бұрын

That is powdered steel

What is that powder you added in tube?

Where's part 2

Have you ever made a full tang knife?

Bye some stainless tube. I've used it before an it works great.