Second story the guy either had no idea at all what he was doing or was actually cheating, and refused to admit he was wrong

@snorpenbass4196

Жыл бұрын

...or, and hear me out here, he was a bit of a clueless ass and the DM and players weren't very welcoming and didn't give him enough info to begin with. A lovely combo.

@tarotsushima3332

Жыл бұрын

@@snorpenbass4196 He could be clueless sure, but his hostility to even integral changes (making a character sheet that fits the edition) and wanting to fight the dm on every inquiry or assistance given despite admitting to being absolutely new to the game at all just paints the dude as a headache to deal with. I usually prefer people just outright telling someone they've been kicked instead of ghosting or icing them out but I bet op would argue back and forth about that aspect as well. But I do agree better communication across the board would have led to a less rocky first experience

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

@@snorpenbass4196 He might be clueless but the hostility in his own words shows he didn't handle the problems well. Like he still doesn't even understand that spell levels are not even with character levels in ANY edition and I'm sure they would have explained that to him.

@SirJakeriePippin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah especially considering no edition has had spell levels matching character levels.

@zabuza3663

Жыл бұрын

All could have been avoided if the group had told him it was 3.5 edition. Hey man show up an hour early so I can help you out with making a character but if you get impatient by then and decide to look up the rules and make a character yourself we are playing 3.5 edition not 5e.

The Bard player in the second story thought that a spell being 4th level meant his character needed to be 4th level in order to use it, he didn't look at the spell progression lmao.

@Spyko-

Жыл бұрын

yeah and it's a really simple mistake I assume most people makes (I know I did when I tried to build my first character sheet) also I'm not sure how they got banishment (I assume they used the college of Lore "Additional Magical Secrets" subclass feature, but that's level 6) the story is kinda sad 'cause would that player have been a bit more patient and understanding I'm sure they'll had a lot of fun

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

@@Spyko- That's the thing, even if it was a 5th game his sheet would need fixing and he was clearly very hostile to fixing it.

The story about 3.5 vs 5th edition hits kind of close to home. One of the players in my current campaign had accidentally used 3.5 instead of 5th ed. to make her character (she's new and wasn't aware of the differences). But you know what: ours didn't turn into a horror story. Because we 1) had enuough time to do a satisfactory conversion from 3.5 -> 5th, and 2) behaved like two adults and communicated with each other. So yeah... Edition crisis avoided, yayyy!

@tay-dor7147

Жыл бұрын

Stupid thing is the 4th lvl 5e bard wouldn't have had 4th lvl spells either.

@commonviewer2488

Жыл бұрын

​@@tay-dor7147 New guy definitely misunderstood how Spell Levels work. Can't blame him for that, common mistake.

@tay-dor7147

Жыл бұрын

@@commonviewer2488 I can when he comes off like such an a-hole about it.

@I-Fail-A-Lotl

Жыл бұрын

I got an ad for DOOM when the racist kid slide came up

Some people hear "fantasy roleplaying game" and think "fantasy" or "roleplaying" are strictly sexual terms.

"MOMMY MOMMY! THE GROUP I WAS BEING TOXIC TO ARE GOING TO KICK ME!" "NO ONE MAKES MY BOY CRY FOR ANY RESON!" with how the mom acted, it shows that the a-hole got the attitude from the parents. including the father because he did not do anything.

@ShyBiiteVT

Жыл бұрын

More than likely A-hole told his mom lies about he was being kind and innocent while the rest of the group were being toxic bullies.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I'm almost curious if the father knew what was going on. Or the mother was single because no reasonable person would marry her and willingly father that child.

@ArcmageZaln

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan those are also good thoughts on it... but i have heard of kern stories where the husband is with them still so... i guess there is a market for them somewhere. lol.

@ArcmageZaln

Жыл бұрын

@@ShyBiiteVT true true, that did happen in another story where the a-hole told lies to their mother.

my brain just went “talk to the spider swarm. ask them why they block the way” therapize them into letting you pass

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Found the druid.

@andrewparsons2391

Ай бұрын

"Long ago, we chose not to block they way for a common burglar, who went on to stomp on our Uncle Bens. All five thousand of them. Now we know that if we have the power to block the way, that it was our reasonability to block the way."

Was I the only one who noticed the guy who made the second story say "Apparently 3.5 doesn't have spell levels match character level." and that he tried to cast Banishment as a level 4 bard...? That...doesn't work out as bards in 5e also don't get 4th level spells till 7th level....I think this guy really had no idea how to play DnD, looked up some stuff, put together a character they thought would be cool only to have something that even if it was a 5e game, they would still need to change stuff

In that third story idk, In High school I had my ex's mom call me and try to chew me out for dating her. All I did was hand the phone to my mom and she never called back lmao Like the answer was obvious, get the other kids parents involved cause a grown ass adult was threatening them with expulsion. I'm sure if they were parents who cared they would've either chewed her out or went to the principal/school board with the messages and threats.

I was on the fence on the Human Bard story (thinking the DM was rejecting OP's character because he wanted them to playing something else) up until the Banishment part. After that eveything just clicked together.

@commonviewer2488

Жыл бұрын

Poor guy got frustrated with not understanding the rules, and the party got frustrated with him for not wanting to convert to another edition

@LeRodz

Жыл бұрын

​@@commonviewer2488 When you show up with a completly wrong sheet and refuse to change it even a week after the game, i'm not gonna feel bad about you lol. But i do wonder how that level of miscommunication came to be.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

@@commonviewer2488 He wasn't just not understanding the rules. The DM tried to help him several times and he was hostile to making them.

@darklord884

Жыл бұрын

When you're a dipshit but unwilling to admit it.

@Jermbot15

Жыл бұрын

Same. I was generously assuming when the OP said they researched the game online and made a character, that they researched it competently. Hadn't even considered that they'd be very wrong and then argue about it.

The guy in the second story sounds like one of those "I am always right" types. He did not understand what they were playing and got butthurt when veterans corrected him. He sounds like a pill and I could tell just from the details he included like character level matching spell level that he at best skimmed the rules for the wrong edition and then decided he was an expert. They were more than willing to work with him, but yes, it does sound like they got tired of his bitching and decided to play without him. They should have came out straight with that, but nothing would have been solved. People can only be helped if they accept help.

I've seen that before where someone claims they're being bullied, but the proposed bullying is just someone else standing up to their own toxic behaviour. It's the classic "self-proclaimed hero realizes they're the villain in someone else's plot" story arc.

@flaminyawn

Жыл бұрын

Except most of them never realize that, and just continue to steamroll ahead.

@rootfish2671

11 ай бұрын

So many people chronically play the victim

Should have told their own parents about a hole mom, see how that plays out

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering why they didn't do that. Can't say I'd be to surprised if the parents tried forcing them to get along or thought the victims were overreacting to jerk.

@disneydork100

9 ай бұрын

Or, depending on how good the facility are in bullying type situations, they could’ve gone to the principal and told on toxic player and his mommy, since what player did was kinda bullying, and Mommy was blatantly threatening and harassing them if they said anything negative to her bay-bee!

I won’t lie, I got a small chuckle from the second story when I realized what was happening thanks to the shift in your voice while reading. Yeah, the guy was definitely not great. Though I will say, my younger sibling has made the same mistake regarding spells, thinking that Character Level equals the spell level (aka, 9th level spells at level 9, 5th at level 5, etc, etc). So if you don’t actually READ and understand what is supposed to happen, it CAN be a genuine mistake. But the fact that this guy was resistant to all the changes makes it feel like it may not have been an innocent mistake that was made. I will say, maybe the group should have mentioned which edition they were playing beforehand, so that he could do the reading (at least for basic rules) before hand without the Edition Confusion that was caused by that lack of communication there. I’ve been in that boat myself (a post didn’t mention what edition/system was being ran, just that it was for newbies. So I went to join, thinking it was 5E, which is what I wanted to join. It turned out to be PF1e, which I shrugged about and joined. It was fun, but it also led to a year and a half of a Horror Story that I left in November of 2021. But that’s unrelated).

@Logan_Baron

Жыл бұрын

Part of that comes from the very early on creation of D&D with "Level" being used to mean so many different things. Choosing a different word would have made it less confusing, and they've stuck with that through every edition. Other than that the dungeon level also somewhat corresponded to your character level. A first level party should not have ventured down the the second level of the dungeon until they leveled up to 2nd.

@WolforNuva

Жыл бұрын

I still think the spell level thing was an innocent mistake, the way he says that 3.5 only uses half level progression makes it pretty clear he still thinks in 5e you'd get 4th level spells by 4th level. Rather I think the problem was just he is a stubborn person with something of an ego; he constantly pushes back against the party and DM without a touch of humility towards the actual veterans of the game, he for instance constantly pushes back against the edition change, thinking it can't be that big a deal rather than assume the DM knows what they're talking about, and then posts his story as if he's the victim. Even the dismissive way he ends his post reminds me of someone I know who's similar in that regard.

When you’re young and you have a dragon lady of a Karen screaming at you of course you’re gonna be scared, this lady is most likely an experienced adult and you have no real idea if what’s she’s saying is true or not. Still, the players could’ve brought this complaint up with their own parents and at least one or two of them could’ve given her a piece of their mind and the problem player could’ve been kicked with no issues!

I know how I would handle a Karen trying to threaten my table over her kid, but man that would have sucked for a bunch of high schoolers. Props for eventually getting back together.

In regards to the first story, yes I agree that things shouldn’t be handed to the players. I am partial to presenting players with a problem that they themselves will have to figure out how to overcome. No secret buttons, no alternate entrances(unless they come up with a good one). But in situations like that, I believe that the GM should be open to solutions that they come up with, I mean for goodness’ sake they’re using their brains and being creative! Reward them for that!

He read up on the rules enough to know which class he wanted to use and what spells he wanted, including banishment which seems like kinda an odd pick for a first timer, but not enough to know what spell levels he would have?

I'm an edgelord. I'm so dark and edgy. MUUUUUUUMMMMMYYYYY THE KIDS ARE BEING MEAN TO ME!

@emberfist8347

Жыл бұрын

That isn’t a bad DND character idea.

I remember reading number 2. I believe I told OP to Google the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Chicanery is pronounced she-cane-airy. It basically means deceiving through being argumentative. Considering how often this behavior comes up in D&D it's oddly fitting. It's an old fashioned word though, I'm not surprised you didn't know how to pronounce it.

@twilightgardenspresentatio6384

Жыл бұрын

Law of verbal traps

@D64nz

Жыл бұрын

It's a word you hear far more often than you'd ever see written down anywhere, and doesn't look much like how it sounds.

When I was new to DMing, my friend gave me a link to a 4e character creator and some 3.5e adventure PDFs. As a first timer, I had no idea that these things were from different versions, but by Bahamut I made it work! (mostly with fudged rolls behind the DM screen) After a few sessions we got 4e books and were able to have a mechanically sound adventure, but those first few weeks of chaos were honestly some of the most fun I've had playing DnD.

I'm a bit worried that Joe of Story 2 spent a lot of time arguing over whether the sheet was good, and it only came up later that OP had mixed up character levels and spell levels.

*Intro Story* Okay, I like Old School Essentials, but it's not any more "real D&D" than 5e. *facepalm*

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Yeah some people get weirdly elitist just because they prefer something over something else.

The spider swarm story is really funny because the first sidequest in Pathfinder:Kingmaker video game is like that, and if your pc isn't a mage you're very likely to be ill equipped for the minidungeon outside of the like 3 or 4 alch fires it gives you. Huge wtf moment in design.

@hexazalea1793

Жыл бұрын

I hate that damn cave even with a full team it was very much a what the hell?

Conversion story: This is most likely a "polite take". Mistakes happen. A sign of maturity is accepting you messed up and learning from your mistake(s). Being combative with friends over mistakes, regardless of who actually messed up, is a good way to be excluded from fun things and lose those friends. Anyways, the fact that OP didn't ask "why are they avoiding me?" is a red flag to me that says they're either lacking self awareness, and/or feel they did nothing wrong. The friend was most likely laughing at OP being a jerk about their mistakes and figured the reddit would help them see how they were wrong. Kid story: *slowly inhales and exhales* There is so much I want to say here about AH and that Karen bully of a mom. If I did that, I might get a ban for "excessive swearing" over the sheer quantity of "what the duck" phrases. Only trash unfit to be called an adult in every capacity will bully a kid/teen.

Story 1: When you make encounters for your party - take your party composition, abilities and arsenal into consideration. Like here - if the party cannot deal with the swarm of spiders on their own due to lack of needed spells or tools, why not let them do an investigation check and find a secret smuggler's stash from a long time ago with a few firebombs that are still functional? Or put a beast that likes to eat spiders in the next room and make the party lure it closer to the spiders? Or just....not have the swarm at all?

The Nzi in training one shook me, ngl. Like, yeah, don't be racist, kids.

@easiestcc6451

Жыл бұрын

Dont be racist i am a building

@ShinyAvalon

Жыл бұрын

@@easiestcc6451 - Don't be a racist building.

@Przemko27Z

11 ай бұрын

I mean, drawing *that* is a thing high-school edgelords do. Whether that actually ends up reflecting their position beyond "thinks offending people is funny" remains to be seen.

Story 2 Ah yes, the newbie player who thinks he knows better than the actual DND players.

Lol, much like the first story my character in Call of Cthulhu nearly died to a small, very venemous spider... that bit her in the eye when i had her check through a key hole. (In Call of Cthulhu youre a puny human with about 10hp) We knew the room had spiders in it and i thought if we knew exactly what we were looking for and where, we could just get in and get out. And then the dice gods laughed. The Gm was super awesome and described how she clung to life in the hospital and how her eye is now a sickly green compared to her normal brown. She's a badass with an eye patch now!

Human Bard wasn't just playing the wrong edition; he either didn't understand the system he was TRYING to use, or was just straight-up cheating. Bards may be stronger casters in 5th than 3.5, but in no edition does being level 4 mean you can cast 4th-level spells. So: doesn't do the homework, fails to follow instructions, rejects help, cops an attitude, cheats (voluntarily or otherwise), complains about getting GIFTED a bunch of freebies to "make up for" him not having stuff he shouldn't have had even in the system he thought he was doing. Not QUITE the theme, but in regards to that story: YTA.

@Mokiefraggle

Жыл бұрын

I entirely agree with what you've said, though I'm going to be silly and pedantic about one point: technically, you're wrong in saying that "in no edition does being level 4 mean you can cast 4th-level spells." D&D 4e does in fact have two classes that have 4th level abilities: the Warlock and the Vampire. They have specific utility abilities that they can take at level 4, and as abilities are literally ranked by level (you get to select new encounter/daily/utility powers at specific levels, as well as feats, and each one is considered specific to the level at which you can select it), they are therefore 4th level spells obtainable at level 4! 😁

The first intro story.. how did the DM have 50 years of experience? If you subtract 50 years from my age that would have made me 16, the game was just getting off the ground when I was 17< I learned about it when I was 18 in early Fall at the University of Florida. I couldn't even have 50 years of experience as a DM.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Either he played the game from its inception, counts systems that predate DnD, or he's rounding up to make himself look good.

@georgemeyers4894

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan I thought about the possibility of counting a role playing game that predated D&D but couldn't think of one. If you know of one I would like to know what did.

@ShinyAvalon

Жыл бұрын

@@georgemeyers4894 - Rounding up when you're just one away from a milestone number is a fairly common thing that people do.

@scarletrose2880

Жыл бұрын

​@@ShinyAvalon yeah makes sense, but I feel like maybe you shouldn't do that if rounding up means you were playing the game before it existed.

@rootfish2671

11 ай бұрын

​@@georgemeyers4894the only thing I could think of that pre dates d&d are war games.

A-Hole is still relatively well adjusted for having an alpha karen as mother.

The skits keep getting better

Ghost the A-hole. “We game at site A this week.” And they are all at Site B. “Oh, I thought you were going to message him. Sorrry.” Repeat. Or Have it at his house. And not show up. Yes, some trauma will occur. Yes, mom will complain. Keep doing it.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Or just tell your mother what happened, I don't think most parents would appreciate that.

Parents who enable their awful children like this are the vilest of villains.

Love the skits it helps liven up the mood (which is already quote lively with the music and the baclgrounds) and it helps to make sure the dark tones of these storys dosnt spread to the watchers

While I was listening to the Pathfinder story at the start, I was briefly thinking "Oh shit. Is that my game?" Then they mentioned Alchemist Fire. I used a torch.

At the racist kids story, to be fair: the Soviet national anthem is a banger. Definitely appropriate for all situations, comrade.

Story 1 The big mistake of newbie DM’s is they lack the thinking power to realize alternate solutions to a problem. Also the lack of improvising.

Second story I find that it looks like a symphony of errors. Yeah, the new player was being a bit of a d-bag. But the other players and DM didn't actually, y'know, tell him _how_ they did things first. I know my very first ttrpg session was literally just learning how to make characters and running a very quick introductory spelunking mission (we were playing the Swedish version of Gamma World, "Mutant"). Key part here being that we _started_ with making characters.

@braedenmclean5304

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean? The player was so hostile the entire time the DM never left anything out or just didn’t tell him aspects of the game. “Hey op, come an hour early so I can go over character creation with you” and op decide that “nah I’ll just do it myself and ask no follow up questions to the DM”

@TysonRex37

Жыл бұрын

The… The story started with the guy deciding at the last minute not to go over on time *to* learn how they do things.

@scarletrose2880

Жыл бұрын

He could also just be leaving out the part where they explained things to him.

For the racist kid story. My solution to a-hole of he missed would be to disavow all knowledge of him.

I wouldnt sit at the same table as someone trying to argue an entirely different edition's character sheet.

I mean... 5e doesn't have spells matched to character level either, they are half you character level rounded up for full casters just like in 3.5e/PF. He didn't know s**t and should've cleared that up with a quick google search but decided to be bitter instead.

I had a similar situation to the first video, but I legit read the statblock wrong for a monster. Stone Golum, I thought nothing but admantine could damage it because I ran the encounter with a headache and misread it. Then the rogue, who had an admantine tridant kept missing so bad that he got really angry. It crit the ranger and did a whole bunch of other things, and the Juggernaut barbarian couldn't use his feature of kicking the crap out of constructs by how I read. After they killed it, the barbarian, also a DM himself, asked if he could read the statblock because we ended the session there to let the rogue cool down from being low roll tilted. And that's when it came out that magical items could do damage but even non-magical admantine could damage it. Turns out I was just extra stupid due to my headache. Don't worry though, there's a second Stone Golum that the barbarian can happily destroy with ease next time we play that campaign, because my headache ADHD totally cucked him out of one of his class features, and that simply won't stand

I put a tavern in my world called Krispys tavern and it's run by a wererat named Crispy.

DnD was published first in 1974. 48 Years ago.

In the intro, did anyone comment about how the DM would be at least 70 years old?

@andreavasquez4355

11 ай бұрын

I mean, it's possible. I met this old man who told me about how he played AD&D 1e back in the day and he is totally aware of how inferior it is to literally every other edition after it.

Chicanery. "Shik cane erry" Silliness. For anyone curious, you've probably heard the word but not known it was spelled like that. =D

The spider story's tl;dr vaguely reminds me of one horror story, GM made an abstract language system with several dialects for each, the party did what they could in sesson zero to cover a broad selection. Session 1, after a 30 minute lore dump: the first npc speaks only a dialect they didn't take, and GM's upset at them because the task said npc had was the only thing he planned for the session.

@ShinyAvalon

Жыл бұрын

Oh, for Pete's sake. That's why "trade languages" exist. That's why _translators_ exist, for that matter. So the DM was enough of a language nerd to come up with an abstract language system, but not enough to know how the real world solves those kinds of problems? (And also didn't have the DM skills to either warn his players which dialect they'd need, or improvise a way to understand the NPC....)

The second story guy was super convinced he was right even in a situation where he was obviously wrong. Like, he assumed that 4th level characters get 4th level spells with has never been true. Even if he was making a 5e character he still messed that up and refused to admit he messed up

12:34 Chicanery. Chi is shi as in shin, can as in the container, er and y pretty straight forward. Means, like, mischief and such.

Crispy to help you out if you run into it again, 12:34 chicanery would be pronounced she-cane-er-ree.

Fun fact after doing some testing im pretty sure that replys are added to the total comments number on a video

Crispy! These vids keep getting better and better! I am loving the skits and the inserts so much. Keep it up! Thanks for regaling us with these stories - and I'm so happy to hear the DM in the last story just up and noped out real quick. Good idea.

That last plot, about the cannibals, is actually kind of a brilliant plot for a horror-themed game. I like the idea. But yeah, this isn't the dark ages irl, so why TF would you...mein gott, effing pedos...

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I almost wanna question if that player just blindly flirted with DM just to be Devil's advocate, but I can only go so far and he clearly could identify if NPCs are male so why not identify kids as off limits?

Bullying people with his mom. That is next-level pathetic.

Not the Spiders: .... What, the party (and the DM) never heard of torches?? Or oil? It's not alchemist's fire, but both torches and flaming oil cause fire damage, which most swarms are vulnerable to. And almost every starting character usually has torches and/or oil on them.

I think I've run into all of these player types before! The Grognard of Grognards, the One True Solution guy, the newbie who's trying to be polite about it but is actually sort of insulted that your TTRPG is more complex than checkers, the guy who's playing your group rather than the game (although mine was too old to call his mom on us), and even the "We Roleplayed... Or Did I Just Sext You?" guy. I sincerely hope none of you checked all of those off on your RPG Horror bingo card.

We did Skulls and Shackles Pathfinder campaign, given that and some undead creature we wound up setting fire to the entire island. Our GM laughed as we avoided a couple of encounters by setting fire.

@emberfist8347

Жыл бұрын

Fire solves everything.

A person complaining about spellcasters being weaker in 3.5 is pretty funny. Casters are so strong that there's a decent argument to not even bother with the martial classes.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

you get casting and the right feats and you're good.

7:39 Uh, Crispy? In 5E, Bards can take spells from other casting classes at other levels. However, if OP’s Bard is only Level 3, he shouldn’t be able to cast 4th Level Spells yet.

@corberus3119

Жыл бұрын

the earliest you could get magical secrets is level 6

Related to "15-year-olds do not know how to deal with confrontation from adults." I remember one summer when I was in high school. We had headed to the corner store and some jerks are hanging around. Now one guy we were hanging with is jacked. Like he has been to juvy and he does not look like a kid. He is going in to buy some soda while the rest of us are admiring some nice bikes. (Motorcycles) out front, well the riders tell us off we flip them off and they start threatening us. Then our friend steps outside, he is taller than each of them and looks like he could crush their heads with his hands. He just started them down and they left. He is actually a really nice guy, was just with the wrong crowd. He got big and he knows he looks scary but he is not violent and got out for good behavior (The rest of his crew did not) He is in prison now, as while he tried to avoid it, when his crew did get out he ended up joining up with them again and broke his parole. (Which was dealing. He was not violent but he did deal drugs.) He is actually getting out in December. Just in time for Christmas which he wants to spend with his family. just to see them and hopefully, keep his nose clean. His family does not hate him, they just know he made mistakes. And I did date his sister for a while (Which is why I know what is going on) Apparently, after we had broken up he was upset with her since he knew me ad said I was a good guy for her. Kind of an ego boost but that sentence was why we remained friends. We talked about getting back together again. but She now has a kid with one on the way and is married, so I think that ship has sailed. I am not sour though. I am happy for her.

First story with the spiders reminds me of Uncharted, I believe the second one, where there are swarms of spiders you have to avoid using a torch and flares.

14:54 that is a cool replica 1851 navy.

The new guy story was really good. It's funny how unaware he is.... Lol! Maybe he'll learn. Could you imagine if the game actually followed spell levels equal to your level... I think you'll be pretty good, but they need to dumb the game down to 10 levels increase sort of bigger bump ups between the two.

50 years experience? D&D was created 49 years ago.... Obviously they're rounding up, but I'm a stickler for details. I guess fewer rules also means not worrying about precision with numbers.

If I were the kids in the problem player story I would’ve straight up gone to school faculty like she was threatening to do (although in my case I experienced a lot of actual bullying when I was in school, one stand out situation was only really solved when I got the vice principal involved.). What A-hole was doing was pretty much bullying; he was actively being a toxic person and purposefully making their hobby less fun, and his Mommy was literally threatening a group of minors if they didn’t let her “precious bay-bee” basically steamroll his way over their hobby.

Intro story: Yeah, that’s a Big Ol’ Red Flag right there. First story: You know, I don’t really blame the players for their reaction. Sure, they could have been calmer, but the DM was making it impossible for them to progress. It’s not their fault the DM decided to be an asshole and throw something they had no way to get through at them. Second story: What the actual fuck, OP? It’s not the DM’s fault you refused his help and made a character for the wrong edition. You did this to yourself. Third story: I don’t understand why they kept this guy in the group after the first campaign. If I caught a player drawing those symbols on a character sheet, that would be an instant ban from the table. (Then again, I’m Jewish, so it’s probably not as sensitive an issue for other people.) Also, I’m pretty sure A-Hole’s mom couldn’t get the other players expelled. First of all, this wasn’t happening at school, so the school wouldn’t have the authority to do anything about it. Second of all, even if it had been happening at school, since when do public schools do anything about bullying? I’m glad this story has a happy ending, at least. Fourth story: You made the right choice, OP. So many other people on this sub would have just kept playing with him until he destroyed the whole campaign with his creepiness. Good on you for having a spine!

@Przemko27Z

11 ай бұрын

In the a-hole's defense, they were all in high school. It's somewhat more likely he was being just a high school edgelord who things offending people is funny. Doesn't make him not an offensive asshole, but it's easier to look over and excuse than a genuine expression of hatred.

First story: I run OSR game, it's not DnD but rules are very simple. It CAN be really boring if DM doesn't know how to run it, the rules of combat in my game is basically "You hit, you get hit" which is the most boring form of combat, that's why narration during fight is really important here either by DM or players

That post at the start of the video "less rules = more challenge" that just means he's gonna make stuff up he thinks makes sense at that moment, suddenly the rogue can't sneak attack unless they attack from stealth, the paladin loses all of his powers from having a drink at the bar because "it's a sin to drink alcohol!", and the barbarian becomes an NPC whenever he uses frenzied rage because that makes sense to the DM at the time and it doesn't matter what the rules say. Also screw anyone who's like "I play *real* D&D" cause it implies everyone else is playing wrong... It's just a game, gatekeeper, also 50+ experience being a DM? is this guy like 75?

Just realized I'm early I've been around for a while love being a guest in the tavern good day to all

To the "Not The Spiders" story, that was me a bit, encountered some frustrating situations. In the end I was the soul person in our parties in multiple games to remind the other players to get RANGED weapons. Like, maybe not so much the casters but definitely the tanks and fighters. Paladin? Barbarian? Fighter? Monk? Ranged weapons my dudes. If we are fighting anything flying, at range or some unreachable distance or higher ground, you are going to be nothing but a useless stack of meat no matter how hard you think you can hit. lol I mean sure, you can leave it to casters and the rangers and you might not do as much damage perhaps but at least you would otherwise be HELPING. lol

Not the email from the Mom omg 🤣😅

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. XD

Everyone makes mistakes Ok -Blam! Hilarious

Okay Crispy, when that guy said Phandelver is the best starter campaign, you said debatable. I haven't played any of 5e's starter campaigns myself so what would you said is your favorite?

He told his mom????? Seriously ANY 15yo in high school would typically be MORTIFIED of having "mommy" get involved because of someone picking on them. Like i can't think of anyone aside from SUPER spoiled rich kids who have never been told "no" before getting their mom or dad to step in when people aren't doing what they want the person to do. Even then most of those kids realize that getting their parents involved won't make the people like them at all so they'd rather take care of it on their own. This is a form of entitlement that comes from how they grew up and the parents always stepping in even if the kid was just saying something like "Yeah, i likely won't be going to play with them anymore." parent asks why the kid says "Well they don't seem to like my characters or something, or maybe me, so they don't want me in the group anymore." and then the parent says something akin to "Don't worry sweaty I'll take care of it." and then this happens where the mom steps in and threatens to get the kids expelled from school if they don't play with her kid...it's usually the parents being over-protective and not necessarily the kid...i'm trying to give the player the benefit of a doubt here, but yeah it's weird... The one with the bard...banishment i don't think is a bard spell in any edition of D&D (though some DMs do allow bards to take spells from the wizard/sorcerer list because of using an arcane spell book and preparing the spell/spells from those lists the same way that a wizard would study/meditate on the spells to prepare them for possible use during the day kind of thing, but that would 100% be house rules) i may be wrong as i haven't played all of the different editions...maybe the person had looked at some kind of homebrew thing online as those are EASY to come across to make the characters "More powerful" which the op did mention that they were upset that a level 4 character didn't have access to a level 5 spell...ummm...i can KINDA see where someone may think they get those spells (please hear me out on this one) for a brand new player who doesn't understand how spells known and spells per day work, if a person's spell casting stat is high enough then they could "Know" by the tables available a spell that's higher level than them. If it's not explained then they could think that even at level 1 they could have access to a level 4 or higher spell and spell slot (fireball at level 1 anyone?) so i can see how the confusion can occur, especially with the different editions handling things like this in slightly different ways, but i don't think any edition has it to where at 5th level you have 5th level spells available to you whether you've got a high enough stat to possibly know one of those spells or not, you simply don't have the magical strength to cast it even if you do know it...That being said it does read like op was simply trying to make their character stronger instead of just a simple misunderstanding because otherwise why complain about it? Also with the way that they were told that things had come up and the sessions had to be postponed that CAN and DOES happen regularly, life happens, it's a thing...The only way that you can -honestly- say the "I know when i'm not wanted" the way that op did is if they've been posting or otherwise talking about playing, when you where left out because of being told that it was postponed, because then it's obvious at that point they were telling you lies to where you wouldn't show up. If op had explained what their process was on figuring out that they had access to a 5th level spell at level 4 that would help to clear out some of the confusion, though i'm fairly certain if they were being excluded like they think after this whole debacle then the "conversation" about the whole thing and likely other things that happened after during the session likely were a bit more...heated, than op is trying to lead people to think.

Swarms in PF can definitely suck for mostly martial parties (Not as bad in 2e as 1e, mind - Spider Swarm since that's the example used is no longer _immune_ to weapon damage, instead merely having resistance 5 to slashing and piercing, and 2 to bludgeoning). Martials aren't weaker than casters in PF2e, but there are definitely situations where martials don't have the tools.

"Because in 3.5e, spell levels don't match character levels" ... ... wh-what?? It's not done that way in 5e, either....

First story...the whole party of adventurers doesn't have any torches?

@Mokiefraggle

Жыл бұрын

Depends. I don't know about Pathfinder, but in 4e D&D, you probably would've just grabbed a standard adventurer's kit, and thus would've had sunrods to light the way. Given that one of the group grabbed alchemical fire, then it's possible they went a similar route, rather than having torches that might burn out before they were done delving the dungeon.

@rootfish2671

11 ай бұрын

​@@Mokiefragglethe adventures kit in pathfinder 2e has torches

@Mokiefraggle

11 ай бұрын

@@rootfish2671 Then they likely either didn't take those, or the DM was refusing to let them improvise the torches as weapons against the swarm. Given that the OP mentions that the DM was shooting down a lot of improvisation and ideas that the group was putting forward, this sounds most likely.

A short range, out of combat throw should not require a roll or else it should be a DC 2. Like I have poor aim in real life but hitting a 5x5 ft target that's less than 10 ft away with no pressure or time limit is basically guaranteed. Reminds me of how in Baldur's Gate 3, throwing at a target requires a roll but throwing at the ground doesn't. Because most people can toss an object at a general area without issue

2nd story: "I already made a 5e character, I don't care if you're playing 3.5e, I'm using this!" do you also bring a baseball bat to play badminton?

Simple solution for Ahole. Ahole: i do this. DM: your character gets struck dead by a rouge meteorite.

Lol a few week in to playing D&D again, I invite my friend that played with us a little when we were younger to start playing with us. My dm tells me that it will be 2 weeks or so before we can let him in. A week later he calls me saying are we playing tomorrow? And I say no next week, and btw we’re level 14 and we’re playing 3.5, he say “l been spending all week looking up 5e and had my whole character done in my head” lol guess I should’ve told him what edition

Intro: Agreed that the guy came off as overbearing, but at no point did he claim his game was going to be "crunchy", just more challenging. What makes OSR games more lethal is that you don't have things like short rests or death saves -- if you drop to 0 HP, you're dead, period. Less crunch and more challenge are definitely not mutually exclusive. Not the Spiders: I don't know much about Pathfinder, so maybe I'm missing context, but I kept thinking, "Why not just plow your way through the swarm?" I mean, they're regular spiders, how bad could it be? Are PF spiders like super-venomous or something?

@Xemanis

Жыл бұрын

The swarm count as a creature, with a stat block and all. It is immune to most mundane weapon attacks, because feasibly you won't kill a large group of spiders with a sword. They could have probably tried to run from them, but running deeper into a dungeon isn't a good idea. The DM should explain to them that to properly clear a swarm they would need area of effect weapons or spells. The party did come ill-prepared, and learned a lesson. The biggest issue was the other player ruining it for everyone. Many creatures have resistances or immunities to overcome, and these spiders, while annoying, aren't the hardest thing to overcome. In fact, the DM didn't even make them aggressive, which gave the players time to come back to the cave properly prepared.

@Mokiefraggle

Жыл бұрын

@@Xemanis It feels like poor/unaware DMing in my mind, that the DM saw that their players didn't have AoE weaponry or spells and still put the swarm in front of them. If your players don't have the appropriate tools, and you didn't _prompt_ them to get said appropriate tools, then it's on the DM to adjust their approach. Whether that's providing something (maybe a side-path that doesn't get them out, but provides a chest with firebombs, a scroll for a caster if they have one, or even just giving them some pointers that they could use torches to get rid of them?), or just changing up what creatures you're using in that dungeon, the DM has the power to do that. Instead, one player had one shot at possibly eliminating the swarm, rolled low because the DM insisted they had to throw the alchemical fire rather than any other means of deploying it, and the DM couldn't think of anything other than to make them trudge back to town in defeat to stock up on stuff to deal with them? OP also mentions that the DM consistently shot down any alternative solutions, which is another problematic bit of DMing...if you've got players in an unreasonable, unfeasible situation, you sometimes have to take suggestions or be willing to adapt. Not cut the players off at every turn when they try to avoid the thing they can't actually fight back against. To be fair, the DM is noted as being kinda new, but putting something in your players' path that they can't get past, and apparently refusing to adapt when they have no mechanically viable way to deal with it? That's pretty rude, and implies that they're unwilling to sacrifice what they want to have happen in order to make things possible for their players to keep the plot moving.

@Xemanis

Жыл бұрын

@@Mokiefraggle There doesnt always have to be an alternate route. Going in, the dm could have said that there were rumors of spiders or something similar, and someone could suggest alchemist's fire. But just because you have to overcome this particular obstacle doesn't mean the DM is bad. Going back to town isn't a big deal and reinforces the idea of being prepares.

@Mokiefraggle

Жыл бұрын

@@Xemanis It's poor situational awareness, and an inability to read his table, though. The DM _didn't_ drop any hints about the spiders, judging by what we're shown, didn't give the players any prompting to take AoE spells or things that could do the appropriate damage to succeed. Unless nobody did character creation in front of the DM, unless he didn't bother to check their sheets before they started playing, he should've been aware of this. And yet, he chose to proceed with this encounter, knowing they weren't equipped to deal with it, and that he was road-blocking them, particularly with his refusal to bend rules or accept alternative means of dealing with the problem. There's ways to deal with this situation that are productive, and allow the plot to proceed, even if the circumstances are technically a failure. It's called "failing forward," wherein a situation the party aren't able to conquer doesn't become a depressing rout like this one did, because the DM wanted only his solution to the problem. It killed the group's momentum, and seemed to clearly frustrate everyone and suck all the enjoyment out of the game for the players, to the point of starting a fight because the DM was kinda railroading them. A "fail forward" in this situation might have involved the alchemical fire blowing up part of the wall and opening something up to provide them an alternative route or alternative tools to deal with the swarm instead of just flying off into the distant darkness and being totally useless. It could have woken up something that wanted to eat the spiders, but would've been within the group's power to dispatch after it did so. Or any number of things that wouldn't have ended the session with the group road-blocked and forced to run back to town to waste time on getting items/switching spells/etc., and generally reading/feeling like a defeat. You might feel that having to turn around, tuck tail, and go back to town over this is nothing, but this group was clearly hurt and frustrated by it, particularly as anything they'd suggested as an option to bypass the encounter or end it on their terms was cut off.

I love pathfinder but the swarm mechanics really exist just to screw over low level characters. I run them as having damage reduction vs single target attacks instead of being immune to them so that they're more challenging rather than impossible if players aren't prepared

The spider story is just the average Kingmaker experience. If you know, you know.

This video feels like a rpg horror story bingo card

50 years of experience running a game that has only existed for 49 years

Spider Story- I dunno Pathfinder spider Swarm rules, but... if they're ordinary spiders.. does that make them automatically hostile? Just gently shoo them away without 'attacking', poke and prod with your feet. Spiders'll run away from the Big Things stomping close to them. Or am I trying to apply real world logic to a D&D encounter?

Oh, the high school a hole one made me so angry.

This is a Crispy video with the most danger disclaimers I've ever watched. The Karen story is just too painful for me to listen.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Eh, the first danger felt like a false alarm. Just a "don't harass problem player" warning.

The dude going grabby on the 13 year old is a WHOLE lot of nope. Your comment of "especially as it is illegal in the real world" I found ammuzing though, as a lot of stuff folks do in TTRPGs is illegal in real life. But yeah, OP did the right thing noping out of that situation. Even if it was player really trying to hit on OP indirectly with all of it, that was a very dark and creepy way to do it. It had a pannel van ride to basement dugeon vibe that I feel would put me on a creeped out feel for a long time, and I have a pretty good tollerance for dealing with, and normally trying to tone down, creepy people. Not so much toward me, rarely folks get creepy to me, but I try to limit their comments to other people. But that story still would have bothered me.

Idk what the first word was but the second was mom so YOUR MOM

Hopefully to clear up some confusion people have expressed, starting with the TLDR: The swarm wasn't really a big deal, the players were just poorly prepared and the GM helped them by not making it hostile. Pathfinder 1e swarms are considered one creature with one HP pool, AC, etc. Depending on the size of the swarm they are in fact immune to piercing and slashing, unless the creatures are Tiny size category or above. Pathfinder 2e changes this, so that they simply have resistances rather than outright immunity, but they are weak to AoE, whether splash damage or a spell. Just because you can't think of a viable alternative doesn't mean the GM is out to get you. The GM was trying to introduce a concept to them in a safe way, warning them that their weapons would be ineffective without even having them try to attack first, nor was the swarm trying to consume them yet. If they were to encounter more swarms on the way in - which was likely - they would be screwed. Going back to town to make proper preparations makes plenty of sense, and now you'll know and be ready for the future. This also highlights a weakness in the party. Of course, throwing a fit is a good way to end the session and potentially break up groups.

Shi kay nur ee One of those words like Chicago where ch is pronounced sh

Trying to bring a 5e character into a 3.5e game? Wow, that's kind of dense.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Probably could have told the guy who didn't care about DnD until a month ago they're playing 3.5, but he definitely didn't help himself by accepting advice. If they told him ahead of time he'd probably mess things up in a different way.

@marybdrake1472

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan Yeah, this one seems like it was going to end in mess one way or another.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan The DM also put an hour aside before the session to help them that they didn't go to.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@shadenox8164 True, forgot about that. Might not have fixed everything, but still on the player for refusing offers of advice.

So, that guy with the LFG post has been running D&D sessions since before it was created?

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

Or he lied. Or he counts non-DnD games as experience.

@rootfish2671

11 ай бұрын

He played it in the quantum realm

Man ppl really over use the term trauma these days

Uggghh, i HATE swarms In pathfinder!