"He tried to convince me to 'age her up a little, at least *16*.'" Alarm bells ringing

@bretsheeley4034

Жыл бұрын

Ringing? I'm hearing the Silent Hill alarms going off. :)

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

I hear air sirens

Meta-Game Guy being on everyone's 'shoot-on-sight' list is my favorite gag in the skits.

Damn, Crispy woke up and chose violence today...

@Nyx685

Жыл бұрын

Crispys corruption arc 😂

@jenniferbenedict2223

Жыл бұрын

Villain origin story?

Intro story: Of course your character would know how far their weapon can shoot. Looking up the rules isn’t metagaming. First story: Big oof moment. Glad everyone’s still friends! Second story: Obviously, the paladin was being an idiot, but if I were the DM, I would have had the dragon only attack the paladin, since he was the only one attacking the dragon, and the rest of the party was trying to stop him. The paladin’s player can learn a lesson about rash decisions by losing his own character. Punishing other players for one character’s stupidity is just nasty. I’m glad the party solved the issue by talking to each other like adults and owning up to their own mistakes. Third story: NTA. Everyone in the party agreed that this guy needed to go, and had separate conversations about it. The outside “friends” are just dogpiling OP because they want someone to blame. Fourth story: Yeah, if I was the DM, I would have kicked Richard as soon as he started trying to write OP’s character for her. What a creep.

"Can we leave ace people alone?" Sure, but it is really everyone. Can we leave everyone alone? Can we understand consent? Role playing isn't an excuse to harass anyone. "It's what my character would do!" "It is what your character should do!"

The Paladin story reminds me of two things I try to put into games I'm in or running. As a DM, if a PC acts recklessly, they're the one who learns the less at the risk of death without killing the rest of the party. As a player, if someone else decides to acts against the party's decision and attacks anyway, they're fighting on their own and will not receive assistance from my character. I will also not act against the party's wishes myself.

Hey! I’m the dm of the first (or maybe second?) story, the one with the bush berry bandits. Just thought I would add a bit on to what the person had to say in the horror story. For a little more context from my perspective the party had been doing pretty well in most encounters which led to me constantly trying to make things more difficult to match the soulsborne theme. It was a little bit before the story took place where I might’ve taken things too far and pushed into being unfair rather than hard. Keep in mind this was about a year or two ago now and was the second campaign I had ever dmed. I was very new to how things work and didn’t know a lot of the rules which led to it ultimately being a bad campaign. What wasn’t mentioned was that after that session nobody the group pretty much disbanded. We still talked but nobody wanted to play anymore which did hurt a lot at the time. Fast forward to now and while I don’t talk to the original group too much anymore they’ve gone on to make several campaigns with one of the players as the dm. I myself also went on to make two more campaigns as a dm myself one of them being a far improved version of the souls borne campaign in the horror story. In the end I just want to say I take full responsibility for being a bad dm at that time. For anyone else who might be in the same place of seeing yourself as a poor dm just remember to learn from your mistakes. I almost gave up dming right there but instead i talked with the players and thought about things to improve and now we’ve split into two groups each happily playing about 2-3 campaigns.

@jenniferbenedict2223

Жыл бұрын

Love to see growth. Glad you're still dming. It feels like we're a rare group.

@360entertainment2

Жыл бұрын

Hey man, shit happens. Don’t beat yourself up too much!

@YorkshireBother

7 ай бұрын

Everyone starts somewhere. You saw where it went wrong, and improved in those areas, you're an example of a good dm

@VexVerity

4 ай бұрын

I’ve never DMed, but I really felt for you during that story. So glad to read that you’re doing well and still enjoying the game!

When you're getting harassed by a player in one game, don't get into a game with them as a DM. It won't end well.

I’m glad Paladin in the Death by Dumb story wasn’t one of those guys who put slaying a dragon in their background and got pissed when they couldn’t solo one in game, I’ve read too many stories with that scenario playing out badly!

"Knowing EVERYTHING!? That sounds a lot like metagaming to me!" Took me out! 😂😂😂

@bonthebunnycat667

10 ай бұрын

I know xD

Death by Dumb-Story: In fact, you wouldn't even have to retcon the story to make up for the Paladin's mistake. "Raise Dead (5th degree spell) actually has the disadvantage that it doesn't work if you've been maimed. ...but "Resurrection" (7th degree spell) does not have this limitation. As my DM always says, "If it creates plot, it's good - so get some more drawbacks and problems for your characters." That the party cleric can't cast this spell is possible, but that doesn't mean that no NPC knows the spell and is willing to cast it for the party in return for a quest to be completed afterwards, so that they can get their tattered necromancer back. This creates plot, corrects the dead character thing and makes it clear that mistakes have consequences - in this case a rightly very angry mage and a lot of legwork and danger with no reward other than XP because any treasure is part of the payment to the church that provided the Resurrection Spell.

Chrispy handles guns like detectives from bad 70' action movies. Aaahhh a classic

Regarding the intro story about knowing how far your bow can shoot- Considering that the question is meta gaming or something the character would know, as an archer, I can roughly gauge distances and also know how far I can shoot before my arrows drop off and I likely won't hit my target anymore, up to 60m for normal IFAA paper target. A ranger should be able to look at a dragon and go "hold on I need to get a bit closer" or "yeah nah I can hit that"

As someone who has small experience with a bow in a camp archery range... and had a makeshift range in the backyard before all the arrows broke, with experience an archer can gauge how far an arrow can travel. Its like a soldier with a shotgun knows how long it can travel or is outright told how far a shotgun can go.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Right, definitely not metgaming to doublecheck knowledge your character would have.. Like I forget what spells do on my sorc because it isn't life or death for me, but it is for him so he'll remember, that's why I write the details down on the sheet so i can check what he knows about them. Same deal with the bow.

What gets me is the paladin was actually cool about it. See, that's what SHOULD happen, as opposed to him being a that guy and nuking the campaign, which is how we end up seeing a lot of these stories go, unfortunately.

One of my groups recently did a recon and it was the right thing for us. The DM tried to make a really hard boss fight but made it unwinable. It would have been a TPK if we continued. We talked about it. He apologized and came with a still difficult but now more reasonable fight.

If I were the DM, "Alright you charge forward to attack the dragon. Meanwhile your teammates sit down and enjoy a short rest since they didn't want to be part of this fight. Good luck! No takesies backsies."

In the Paladin vs Dragon story, I put more blame on the DM. You don't punish other people for someone else's bad decisions. Not to mention the decision to just kill a character with nothing the player can do about it is crappy. And killing the character in a way that can't be Revivified was a decision the DM made. He *chose* to do that. It was crappy. OP had every right to be pissed. Once upon a time, I also had a paladin character attempt to solo a dragon. There were not any other people with me at the time. I saw a red dragon attacking someone, in the distance. The DM had intended me to get there too late, when the dragon had already fled, and gather a party to fight it later. He forgot that I had a really nice potion that made me immune to fire damage, and a potion of fly, that let me get close enough to shoot arrows at the dragon. I couldn't NOT try to save the person from it. A round or so later, my paladin was at 2 hit points, in the dragon's mouth, having damaged it enough that it was falling from the sky with my nearly dead paladin clutched in its teeth. There are two morals of this story. 1. Never underestimate a determined PC's ability to get themselves into really big trouble. 2. It's great to be immune to a dragon's breath weapon, but those teeth and claws turn out not to be mere decoration. Learn from my mistakes, folks! :)

I never understand the using characters to flirt. I’m not my character, a piece of me is in the character, but I’m not them, one character garnering another character’s romantic affection isn’t gonna make me suddenly attracted to you 🤣🤣🤣

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I doubt they care about being liked, just getting their pleasure with a fantasy. They treat their target like an object they want to play with.

@TheLevantin

Жыл бұрын

many lies and actors and play a role when they want to win someone over. And in PnP you play someone who you are not, so flirting with someone in DnD and in real life is the same mechanism for some. They try to win with their character, ingame and outgame. People who are too young to reach a certain wisdom, to realize how absurd it is to convince someone of themselves when they aren't themselves, do things like that... or poops

@roguebanshee

Жыл бұрын

For some people the boundary between character and player does not exist. This also extends to video games, to the extent that some male players just can't get over a game having a female protagonist (and I assume that there's a small group of females who have the same reaction to male protagonists). To me it seems like most people do understand that boundary and are able to distance themselves from their character and the other players from their characters. It's just that we encounter more people who don't when we read these horror stories (it's why they're horror stories in the first place).

@TheLevantin

Жыл бұрын

@@roguebanshee People have the problem of separating their fake me in real life from the fake me in the game. That they separate their perception and their thinking from themselves is the only thing they do.

probably it's "There so such thing as an asexual. I just have to ask five times more and surely they'll realize their true feelings!" It's like they never left the little kid stage of asking for something over and over in hopes of wearing down the parent.

@flaminyawn

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I doubt her own orientation even factored into the equation. She's not her own person to him, she's just there to satisfy his desires.

In 3.5 I had a concept for a character that required him to solo a juvenile red dragon (or older) by level 6. The 7th level of the character was a prestige class that required the solo kill of a red dragon in honorable combat. No tricks. No ambushes. No help. A CR11 encounter vs. a level 6 fighter with some fancy abilities, a lance of frost, and a cloak of fire resistance. So, I wish I could say it was a magnificent battle, something cinematic for the ages. But, no. The fighter leaped from the cliff edge, performing a leaping charge with a lance for massive damage, using cold damage against a creature weak to cold, and a character build up to that point specifically designed for hunting red dragons. The dragon died in the first round. The fighter fell to the ground and survived the fall at 7 hp. The rest of the table was pretty shocked at the damage output by a character that was pretty average on damage up to that point. The DM was well aware for a while the design for the character hinged on an all-or-nothing attack just to qualify for a gimmick requirement. Either the fighter got enough damage or was dead. The character went on to be picked up by the party, and turned the hide of the slain dragon into platinum armor. The character became a dragon hunter, and it became a running joke to throw him (sometimes literally) at a dragon the party wanted dead.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Its kinda funny you have to fight a red dragon honorably when they won't afford you the same courtesy.

@sintanan469

Жыл бұрын

@@shadenox8164 I get exactly what the prestige class is all about. It's supposed to be a specialized paladin all about fighting dragons reenacting the classic holy knight fighting a dragon. The problem is D&D dragons are intelligent creatures, not just powerful beasts.

If something happens like the second story and you don't want to retcon it then strip the paladin of his powers and send the group off to the appropriate afterlife to retrieve the players lost character. They can even play the dead character on the adventure out of the afterlife. Give the paladin a chance to make it right again and grant the powers back. Bam character arc its a good time.

The classic tale of the aro/ace person being forced into realationships by the dm... I don't mind lovestories or roleplaying romance if it is requested, not pressured, not nagged, not forced upon.

I'm so happy that the group of people I play with have gone through the trouble of taking the fact that I'm very ace (and thus my character is) and incorporated it into story elements and character interactions in the best ways possible, always with permission and with the intention to change anything if it feels 'weird.' These horror stories really make me appreciate my friends to a whole new degree.

@realdragon

Жыл бұрын

How common is it to have sex preference relevant in game? Sexuality of my character doesn't matter because I don't want to roleplay romance

@sorcerousfang

Жыл бұрын

@@realdragon It completely depends on the group you play with. My friends enjoy role-playing flirting and have relationships between characters of that nature. When I joined, they asked what I was comfortable with and incorporated that into the game. I play in another group where romance isn't at all referenced. Just depends on the game and people.

@AndaraBledin

Жыл бұрын

@@realdragon I massively depends on the players and the group and sometimes even the game. This is why a session 0 is an absolute must. Everybody can lay out their expectations and then adjustments can be made so that everybody gets to have fun. The Shadowrun campaign I'm part of has a bunch of romantic subplots going, with two of the PCs getting married in game. Meanwhile, the D&D campaign with the same crew, different one GMing, has had zero romantic anything. Until the latest couple of sessions where the Aarakocra was mooning over a dragonborn because wings, which was actually pretty hilarious.

Gotta give you, those intro shots were clean😂

As others have mentioned, the DM from Death by Dumb made a huge mistake. When you're trying to teach the lesson of "Actions Have Consequences" to a particular player, you need to punish the player in question, not literally anyone else. It's no wonder OP was upset with him too, that was a big mistake on his part.

The Highlight of this video is Crispy going Red Dead on meta-gaming Guy

I had a really weird one with a group I had been playing with for a year. This situation HAD to have come up before because every fight was using minis but for whatever random reason on my turn I busted out the measuring stick (we use open terrain with no grid but measure squares as 1 inch) and the GM and another player said that premeasuring distance before deciding where I was going to move was "metagaming", I was like "no it's not?" and it became this whole thing. The DM just eventually dropped it and we haven't discussed it since but that definitely weirded me out.

I didn't realize a six-shooter revolver had the capacity to fire that many shots, that quickly, with one hand. Crispy should enter into competitions.

Man crispy’s skits were extra on-point this video 😂

In our very first campaign we had to retcon a couple of times because the DM was still very inexperienced when it came to encounter balancing and due to a new player not knowing the rules and causing something really bad to happen. In both cases we took it as learning experiences to do better next time.

Crispy pulling an gun out has made my day

I love retcons when strategically used. It helps patch things, and sometimes can even help avoid major problems when EVERYBODY at the table doesn't like where things are going. We've retconnected moments. Heck, once we even retconned years out of the story back a few... decades ago (oh gods we're old... that was in the year 2000). Then later we even brought characters from the retconned out timeline into the main storyline through the use of chronomancy and chaos magic behind the scenes. I had to deal with one of my characters trying to figure out how to treat another character who was his son from the retconned timeline, even though he never fathered anybody as far as he knew. (BTW, yes, there is a reason why the retcon actually occurred in-story.) Anyway....so long as the use of retcons cause everybody to enjoy the game more, go for it. Just try to do it in a way that doesn't leave people confused and everybody knows what is what. If you do it too often, it can be messy - especially if you retcon more than just a few minutes of story. Happy endings, all. :)

Lol, the skits! I'm late to reply here, but the pulling the revolver after the jump scare interruption - that got me in my DM bones, lol. Thanks as always for the stories and tips, Crispy!

I’ve heard the paladin/necro story already but I love the way you put emotion into the story

I once played a game with someone who always had to have the first response (even in scenes where his character was elsewhere) and couldn't let other characters have their moments. We were transporting a dragon egg that could communicate. My character was becoming good friends with the unhatched dragon, and after an exchange I said "My monk places her hand on the egg". He couldn't let my character have that special moment to herself and promptly did the same thing with his character. Not to mention he played the character like a total snob trying to raise his social standing to the point he cornered the 16 year old granddaughter of a goddess into winning the chance to "woo" her (as the GM put it, who was allowing this to happen). His character had barely interacted with this NPC and out of the blue announces how important she is to him. Not so important that in the next town we reached his character promptly found someone else to sleep with after declaring his intentions to this 16 year old NPC.

Intro: Yeah, I'd have Crispy's reaction too :P

I have a firm policy at my table that romanctic advances between PCs have to be okayed by both parties or else its a no go.

Apparently Revivify CAN restore corpses with missing body parts so long as you have all said body parts by using mending on the corpse and magically keeping said corpse fresh.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the "beheaded" OP could be affected by revivify I believe. Yes, it can't regrow missing body parts, but it can mend wounds, so if the head is around and positioned correctly it should be able to fix the severing? I can see people going more hardcore and saying no, but I believe it could be a possibility.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Its DM discretion essentially. Restoring limbs is actually 7th level magic, so some arguments can be made that this would make revivify way too powerful for its level.

On my first d&d campaign, we had an barbarian that was the main character for the First plot point, we had to fight a Boss monster, but he decided to go alone without telling anyone to 1v1 It. Needless to say, he died and the dm wasnt able to continue the campaign.

You’re having waaay too much fun with these skits lol

This video was fun to watch, thank you for sharing more RPG horror stories!

god, the channel is great and it gets better every video.

All these little Crispy clips have made my night, so tickled. Laughed to ded.

"Sorry, I don't know if that hits me, that would be metagaming."

Knowing things is metagaming... GUN! Love it n_n

If I know how far I can fire a bow, then my archery-based character would sure as hell know. Same as I don't count it as metagaming when our GM tells us the tonnage of a space vessel and I say "OK, so it could have up to x hardpoints with weapons on them" - that's something my character who has served as a Scout/Courier would know - 1 hard point per hundred ton of displacement which may or may not have a weapon on it. It's not like I know what type of weapons or whether they're single, double or triple turrets or barbettes, weapon bays etc.

I beg to differ... Death by dumb has the JUCIEST of endings. A group of friends recognized they made mistakes, got advise, came back together after their own venting, made proper apologies to save the friendships instead of personal pride, and EVERYONE moving past the mistake and remaining friends. You don't get juicer than this!

Something I don't get if it is an "easily winnable" encounter, than why is running away a "mistake". If it's easy to win then it should also be easy to run and the fact the whole party got taken out makes me question whether it was "easily winnable"

@xxtruedahkneshxx8422

Жыл бұрын

I can offer some context since I was part of the group. The enemies in the encounter were really squishy but did a lot of damage. What made it harder was that the party tried running past them to a cliff about 80ft away. They took a bunch of opportunity attacks which is what whittled them down the most. One did try to fight from the start and ended up one shotting one of the enemies

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

@@xxtruedahkneshxx8422 That was what I assumed would have been the case based on what we're told.

I write down the range of my ranged weapons on the sheet.

People who worry about the timeline of the story need to remember the story part. It’s not real, so if it keeps things fun then don’t worry about it.

Story 3: Another case of MCS, but unlike the last story where the offender realized he dun goofed, this one was removed before it had time to fester and infect the game. Anyone who thinks OP is YTA either doesn’t recognize MCS as it happens, are fellow cases of malignant MCS, or just want to argue for the sake of arguing The constant butting in to situations their character had no business being a part of is blatant MCS at its core. Everything else spiraled.

I am a little baffled by punishing Player A for Player B's actions. Player A is not Player B's character development, and should not be used as such. That is just dickery at the hands of the DM. It's not even the first story I head about it. There was that other story where a DMPC kills the Party's Ranger because the Cleric made fun of him -- in an attempt to intimidate the Cleric.

@kaylawoodbury2308

Жыл бұрын

I think it's a case of people being too involved in the game and not thinking enough in reality. He most likely thought "Paladins are stalwart protectors, if someone dies as a result of their actions they would surely feel regret. So if I kill off these characters maybe Paladin will learn a lesson!". Dm needs to step back and take a break.

"Wait, what's the range on my spell again? Give me a sec." "No, that's meta-gaming!" "Oh, alright? What about save dc?" "Meta-gaming." "Damage type???" "Oh, meta-gaming for sure!"

Pfft, If I was the GM in the “paladin vs dragon” story, I would have made an interesting way to resurrect the beheaded necromancer through some dramatic necro-spirit shenanigans and have her have a forever scar around the neck as a reminder of the time she was brought back from such grievous doom.

😨 Cripsy with the Blicky in the intro!!!

Revivify can’t resurrect someone beheaded but the rules does say that an corpse is an object so mending can put the head back on the body.

Crispy was going to humble us.

I literally beat down a MAP and threw him out of my house and campaign for uttering the phrase "its medieval times bro, kids get r*p*d" as a defense to him soliciting the 12 year old PC played by a 15 year old. He was 28. He threatened to press charges and i threatened to counter sue and have my lawyer direct the cops to sift through his hard drive and ISP history. He shut up nice and quick and was gone. (Still informed the cops. Hes gone gone)

Retcon or not I would still be really pissy about having my character murdered because of what another player was doing, especially when said player didn't suffer any kind of negative consequence. Why did DM think in the first place that targeting OP was the right way to go? Being that OP is his significant other you have to wonder if there might be something else going on between them...

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Or he did a stupid. Not everything has a deeper reason.

@garuelx8627

Жыл бұрын

In a previous session, I was held hostage by the bbeg pointing a spell at my head which our mages Arcana check identified it as Disintegrate. As I was being made to slowly hand over the mcguffin, our assassin decided to fire his crossbow at her. Knowing I was probably dead, I blasted her with frost breath and successfully wrestled the item away from her. When she was ready to fire, the spell fizzled and she said "lol jk, bye" and teleported away. She is one of those joker bbegs. It was a fun session and the dm didn't want to be so cruel just yet.

Personally, I wouldn't have apologized for calling the paladin an idiot. That was 100% deserved, and I would do it again.

Retconning things, so long as you make sure everyone in the campaign is on the same page, is honestly great...BUT if you retcon things without telling anyone about it or only telling certain people as this can cause a large amount of miscommunication between everyone.

For the AITA story. I agree she is NTA, but am curious if anyone in the group actually talked to this player before booting him? Cause that kind of makes the BF the a-hole if not.

To me, retcons should usually be a vision that a character has of what could go wrong if things go ahead a certain way. There's usually a character who can kind of have that flashforward and be like "I have to not let that happen"... In this case probably the paladin. I think the DM, while not necessarily doing the right thing, ended up cornering himself. He probably thought the paladin wouldn't be able to continue attacking the dragon with the lives of his friends at stake, but when he did, the DM felt he had to go with it. It's a bit of a messy situation to put yourself in, but I think there are better ways to deal with that.

It's not metagaming for a ranger of all classes to know how long their range is lmao. Maybe you could say that an inexperienced caster might forget the range limits of some of their spells, but even a level one ranger or fighter would probably know by heart how far their bow can shoot.

I'm sorry but if you have a player complaining about another's being underage like that and you make them age up the character? You've failed as a DM because that is a blinding red flag that that dude needs to go yesterday.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

It's not even like that guy had a reason beyond "I want to flirt with that player without my character being a pedophile".

Yup gotta reattach the head before a revive

Greetings from Hershey Park! Well, technically the hotel, but greetings regardless!

Meta-gaming is "the character acts on what only the player knows" not "the player acts on what the character knows" which is just regular-gaming

Party members being able to die was never the issue, party members being used to teach a lesson to others while stripping away their agency was the issue.

At the beginning Wow! Crispy shot 4 times! 22:57 Careful ya got 2 shots left!

Geez, that last story was rough. Given how Richard acted as a player, I would not trust him as a DM. Oof, he proved why that mistrust would be well placed. Good luck to the OP. Seriously, getting another player's character aged up so you can try and force a romance is disgusting.

The one with the bush berry bandits seem to me like a major reason not to meta-game

Happy ending!

For the Aita, yes. What you said sounds biased and manipulative just because someone wanted to help things along, be engaging in the game that's wasn't combat. It got on your nerves, and you bringing it up to friends in that way will definitely have them see it from your perspective and will be annoyed at the thought of it. Your dm/bf and you should have inquired on motives of him and the character, but since you were in your head about it and confirmation bias took place with how you framed your perspective, he seems more like a problem than talking to him. Instead," oh he annoys you? Okey kick him"

Feel like checking in on your current hp is more meta ganging

AITA: The group was in agreement, right? Then, it sounds like those friends on the outside of things are either being manipulated by the expelled member with a "they were mean and unfair to me!" sob story, don't have critical context of what the guy did, or don't know/understand how his actions were ruining the game for everyone else. Either way, those friends need to go pound sand because they're not involved in what went down.

I think I laughed way too hard at the "Lawful Stupid" title.

I've seen a One Punch Man build on r/3d6 but it comes online kinda late. And while it can 1v1 a dragon, we're talking level 12 adventurer vs young adult dragon, that kind of stuff.

Looking up spell description is only metagaming for Sorcerers, change my mind.

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

Sorcerer would know what their spells do from experience. You could maybe argue that for any new spells they get, but when they're for your survival you'll learn fast. So no more metagamey for old spells than a ranger knowing how far their bow shoots roughly. Though there could also be the argument they intuitively know what their spells do because they're a part of them, this would explain why sorcerers always cast the correct spells barring certain anomalies.

Wait, Revivify can't restore missing body parts but what if you still have those body parts handy? Like if someone is sliced into multiple pieces can you reassemble them really quick and then cast it?

NGL, I would never let player play a child character in the first place

not gonna lie, "Death by Dumb" had a much larger red flag than "I had to rip off your head to teach you about consequences"... why did SHE have to manage to tantrums of her fictional boyfriend so much it's a footnote in the story? what the actual fuck?

snap Crispy! did you get a Trust model as well, or is that new gun from something/where else?

If you need to retcon and are worried about it breaking the emersion or the in world timeline all you have to do is work out an in-game reason for it such time skip, strange portal that takes you back to just before what you are trying to retcon just as an example

Love to be in the early chat hope everyone has a great day

@strooba7035

Жыл бұрын

you too!!

I could totally 1v1 a dragon -me as a bard

@thegreatstoneddragon9432

Жыл бұрын

Okay. Make a Constitution save.

bro out gunned a nega rules lawyer,

un the first story had he not checked how far his bow can shoot wouldnt he have been able to shoot from any distance. scince no one can check the rules

@ScootsLounge

Жыл бұрын

I assume the DM would've been like "you fire and miss because you're too far away, -1 bolt"

@toshi9742

Жыл бұрын

@@ScootsLounge and then (hopefully) the player then asks how far the arrow *did* go then lol

Why is it always "dragon bad" kinda wanna do a campaign that flips it on its back where the main crew is limited to traditionally "monster" charecters like gnolls and kobolds maybe even a dragpn and the big bad evil guy would be some human hero dude

It wasn't a big deal but it was meta-gaming. In combat, a person doesn't know exactly how far a target is, they can estimate but they do not know exactly and so they wouldn't know to move another 10' or something c;pser, in order to avoid a -2 game mechanic to their chance to hit. using knowledge which is outside the character's ability to know about game mechanics is metagaming.

Into: DM knew that it would be bad to impose disadvantage couldn't come up with something so said nah no needing yourself

Intro makes me want to say claiming meta gaming is meta gaming. Or something else I don't like is meta gaming. 1st story was an unfortunate lack of balancing for glass cannon enemies. 2nd story reminded me of another retconned dragon story before with a dumber paladin attacking a benevolent "beyond ancient" dragon because it was chromatic. Though this was more dramatic and had a good happy ending. 3rd definitely ticked me off with a problem player framing a victim as a problem player. His buddy sounds like an idiot for ignoring how everyone else was also sick of him. 4th story was definitely bad with how the first DM ultimately sided with the horny rules lawyer by making OP change her character to satisfy him. The less we heard about that second fetish campaign the better, at least OP got out.

Metagaming is only abuse of plot knowledge, I hear it misunderstood a lot nowadays. It's also not always bad, but it typically is. One problem with D&D having gone somewhat mainstream is you find a lot of people aping terms and stuff they do not entirely understand, sometimes having gotten clarification from people who also didn't understand them, and of course when it comes to younger people in general, not just gamers, they typically don't want to listen to anyone with actual experience. The term "Metagaming" actually came from "White Wolf" games which let's say had some issues when they first appeared. One of their unique ideas for a while was to not only have their settings blended with the mechanics, but also specific plot lines going on within those settings that were developed in their sourcebooks and oftentimes influenced what some abilities could do. Some settings were more like this than others, and there were a lot of problems especially as certain novels drifted in and out of canonical status, not to mention the generally chaotic method with which the company did writing especially in the 90s and early 2000s but i doubt anyone wants a break down on that. At rate WW started using the term "Metaplot" in connection to it's writing and why they did certain things or why stuff had to work a specific way, and "Metagaming" in an RPG context specifically referred to people making choices and character builds around things going on in the world at large that they could have no knowledge or fore knowledge of and which had nothing to do with a specific GM's campaign or it's plot. GMs running games totally divorced of this stuff in WW was hard to do, because their storyline and metaplot was so incestuous with the rest of it. This term later got extended to include any situation in which a player was basically acting entirely out of out of character knowledge, rather than something they could know in game. Sometimes the situation can be quetionable, and usually when a metagaming accusation is made it's always careful to ask if the player can justify how their character might have a certain bit of knowledge. Basically it's only Metagaming if there is no justification for it, and it's giving an otherwise unfair advantage either in terms of the game's plot, or in terms of balance against other players who are remaining limited entirely by in character knowledge. I've found in practice about half the time most metagaming accusations are pretty much false, as oftentimes a player who knows enough to actually metagame has come up with a way to justify reasonably knowing what they are using.... At any rate, the bottom line is simply acting on knowledge of class abilities you possess is reasonable. Depending on the GM claiming to know what other types of characters can do may or may not be reasonable given how he portrays magic and such within his world. That said when it comes to RPing it should be noted that half of the point of gaming is sort of a tactical challenge, that's not all it is, but it is part of that. One of the signs of a horrible GM is when he starts demanding veteran players intentionally be stupid knowingly due to lack of character knowledge. An example of this would be if say on meeting trolls in The Forgotten Realms setting where they can be pretty common the GM screams that nobody can use fire or acid or anything because they have never met a troll. In most game-designed settings this is not reasonable as such monsters are designed to be fairly common, unless the GM has an alternative world he has specified where such things are now rare it not only makes no sense (especially if you say have geographic regions named after them, and entire clans of warriors calling themselves stuff like "Troll Killer" ) , but it frustrates players because they pretty much have to stop playing seriously. The time when players are new and genuinely don't know this stuff is fleeting and should be enjoyed, but for more established gamers? It's pretty much exactly why metagaming accusations tend to be problematic as much as they help. Unless something is really supposed to be obscure it should be a non-issue... and of course I've found a lot of D&D derivative games like "Pathfinder" solve this issue with "knowledge" skills which someone can just roll against the rarity of a monster if it should be questionable. Unique monsters of course not being part of that body of knowledge. The GM should of course also be aware of their setting as well, for example while in say Greyhawk Beholders were incredibly rare, in The Forgotten Realms Zhentil Keep had an entire "Beholder Corps" historically and used them in groups to overwhelm other armies in a high magic setting. As a result anyone from the key "heartlands setting" who doesn't know what a freaking Beholder is, had to be living under a rock, where in Greyhawk it might be excused that even a moderately well known sage might not know much about them. Context always matters, and remember if say Trolls are now rare, the GM has to consider this in proportion to how he runs encounters. If monsters are rare to the point of ignorance being demanded, they should also be rarely met, with most enemies being other humans or whatever. It does work both ways.

Hello!

Metagaming is using information your _character_ wouldn't know. Looking up the rules for something your character _absolutely would know_ is *not* metagaming. Period.

There's good metagaming -- knowledge of the rules that you need to have an exploit in order to effectively play and role-play your character, like the range of your longbow or that the Dodge action imposes disadvantage on attackers. There's also bad metagaming -- your isolated goblin rogue that has worked in the mines surrounded only by dwarves and other goblins somehow knowing trolls are weak to fire without an intelligence check. Know the difference.

@garuelx8627

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I can't fathom how anyone would consider reviewing rules of your own abilities and identified items as metagaming...

@thanatos5150

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@garuelx8627 Because it is, by the definition of the term, metagaming. You're bringing knowledge from outside the game's context and considering it before you use it in the game. That includes "knowing the rules".

For everyone like OP in the last story, who like dnd for story, but not maths - try FateCore. It's a narrative driven game system that allows to describe your actions vividly and successfully without having to think about class ability or channel divinity. Don't bend dnd like crazy and don't bend yourself, just try something more suitable for your needs.

Could you crone up? Turn into a venerable character? “Well, sonny, thank you, but I got grand kids your age.” Play up the wrinkles, etc. See how long the attention stays on you then.