The Year of the Arabs: Part 2 Muawiya's inscription and coins with Prof. Robert Kerr

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Unlike Umar's inscriptions, Mu'awiya's inscriptions appear to be authentic, but surprisingly they lack anything that could be termed Islamic. Coupled with his coins, we get the impression he is at least sympathetic to Christianity: his coins carry an image of a cross. A reference to Mahmad on these coins in conjunction with a cross throw up questions, but Prof. Kerr argues that we must not read the later tradition into these but view them on their own terms. He goes onto to explain the use of Mahmad in the Bible and its link to the messiah and its significance at a time of great apocalyptic expectations. It is easy to see how various renderings of Muhammad: Machometus, Mehmed and Mahomet could directly from Mahmad, and not from Muhammad indicating that Muhammad is an Islamised version of Mahmad that hides its former link to the Messianic expectations as Islam grapples with the disappointment of the non-arrival of the Apocalypse.
The Sirah of Muhammad, a hagiography rather than a biography, suspciously mirrors Heraclius' story, especially his crushing defeat of the Sasanians in Anatolia. Key locations such as Dara, site of a 6th century battle of the Trench, provide inspiration for Medina's fantasy Battle of the Trench. Arabs sat on the sidelines while the East Romans duked it out with the Sasanians, then coming up from Eastern Arabia in 628, the Arabs won a series of battles during the chaotic inter-regnum of the Persians.
While some viewed the Year of the Arabs as beginning in 618, it is clear that others viewed 622 as the key turning point for the Arabs on account of Heraclius. Anno Hijra, however, has nothing to do with a supposed exile of Muhammad but more to do with Heraclius departure from Constantinople. Ultimately, it is one of many synonyms for the "Year of the Arabs".
To learn more, go to Prof. Robert Kerr's Academia page, where you can access his papers and examine his citations: iuni-saarland.academia.edu/Ro...

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  • @hagalhagal9989
    @hagalhagal9989 Жыл бұрын

    9:39 - on the contrary Dr. Kerr, I for one am really enjoying this series and waiting expectantly for every upcoming episode :) hope the rest of the audience shares this feeling too :)

  • @simonhengle8316
    @simonhengle8316 Жыл бұрын

    Another excellent video, with once again a huge amount of information, if only someone could write a book with the basic information so the general public could easily understand it. A huge thank you to both👍

  • @hagalhagal9989
    @hagalhagal9989 Жыл бұрын

    Love the post editing, it makes things so much more comprehensible :) Thanks Mel

  • @IslamicOrigins

    @IslamicOrigins

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you think so!

  • @ImCarolB
    @ImCarolB Жыл бұрын

    What a wealth of information! Dr. Kerr is certainly fleshing out a clearer picture of what was going on in the 6th and 7th centuries.

  • @karenthompson1337
    @karenthompson1337 Жыл бұрын

    Mel. Another one hit outa the park!! Love Dr. Kerrs explanations. So clear and common sense. Thanks!’

  • @IslamicOrigins

    @IslamicOrigins

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you like them!

  • @urbandsouza7279
    @urbandsouza7279 Жыл бұрын

    Hi mel .all the research is out then why it is not mainstream. What is stopping it spreading like wildfire

  • @hagalhagal9989

    @hagalhagal9989

    Жыл бұрын

    I wrote a reply, but KZread is censoring it for some reason. I'll try to figure a way of reposting it.

  • @hagalhagal9989

    @hagalhagal9989

    Жыл бұрын

    Part 1 Dr Jay Smith and Thomas Alexander have an episode on this on Pfander Films.

  • @hagalhagal9989

    @hagalhagal9989

    Жыл бұрын

    Part 2 If researchers talk publicly then they are removed from their positions. Dr Jay Smith personally experienced this when he debated Dr Shabir Ally using Dr Patricia Croner's material, which she could not divulge but happily shared with Dr Jay Smith.

  • @hagalhagal9989

    @hagalhagal9989

    Жыл бұрын

    Part 3 They also describe the story of Christoph Luxenberg who after attaining the highest honours for his thesis, he was then shunned from all universities.

  • @hagalhagal9989

    @hagalhagal9989

    Жыл бұрын

    Part 4 I think that at this point it is very clear that scholars have to thread very carefully if they do not want to suffer any consequences.

  • @123dsj123
    @123dsj123 Жыл бұрын

    Muslims have a strange way of proving the perfect preservation of Allah’s Quran - they set fire to it from the time of Uthman ibn Affan (or sink them into the Nile River in 1924) to show that Allah’s words have been perfectly preserved fire-by-fire, smoke-by-smoke, water-by-water. * Oh, one more: Sword-by-sword if you question the “Standard Islamic Source” - SIN.

  • @zakback9937

    @zakback9937

    Жыл бұрын

    Bruh.

  • @bobfisher1909
    @bobfisher1909 Жыл бұрын

    Very good history education just proves how Islam got it so wrong, sorry missed it Mel I was watching my team play AFL, Mel your lights are so bright in the background do you have enough light buddy, lol, GBU till next time peace and love.

  • @hagalhagal9989
    @hagalhagal9989 Жыл бұрын

    if rashidun means the first, and is related to ras, does it mean that initially it was pronounced as rasidun?

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    Perhaps, the kiss or waive 👐 @ start point ... Possibility of the darkness

  • @RedWolf75
    @RedWolf75 Жыл бұрын

    It was Phocas who overthrew Maurice, not Heraclious

  • @maxschon7709
    @maxschon7709 Жыл бұрын

    "Flucht von Vorne" Being pro-active. Not to wait till the enemy attacks with overwelling force but attack yourself to get a better position.

  • @IslamicOrigins

    @IslamicOrigins

    Жыл бұрын

    Love that. Might make it my motto.

  • @maxschon7709

    @maxschon7709

    Жыл бұрын

    @@IslamicOrigins In the 6 day war Israel launched a series of pre-emptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields. Egyptian forces were caught by surprise, and nearly all Egypt's military aerial assets were destroyed, giving Israel the advantage of air supremacy.

  • @Indah-tjs

    @Indah-tjs

    Жыл бұрын

    Soweit ich mich erinnere an meine Zeit in Deutschland, heisst der Spruch "Flucht NACH vorn". Ist im Grunde aber auch egal, irgendwo ist der Sinn der gleiche... 😊

  • @ilanbouwmeester6838

    @ilanbouwmeester6838

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Indah-tjs You're right, the German expression is "Flucht nach vorn". It's usually translated into English as "headlong rush". But it's not a very precise translation. Because in reverse 'headlong rush" is usually translated as "mit offenen Augen ins Verderben rennen" - "rush headlong into disaster with one's eyes wide open". Translating expressions can be very challenging. The less related the languages are the more difficult it gets, usually. But with regards to the expression itself the preposition "von" cannot substitute "nach", so it does matter.

  • @Indah-tjs

    @Indah-tjs

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ilanbouwmeester6838 Of course you are right. Since my German language skills outweigh my English skills, I thank you for your explanations. "nach" here is to indicate the direction, which is generally expressed in English as "to" or "into". I'm sure there are hundreds of examples.... Thanks again 😊

  • @traveleurope5756
    @traveleurope5756 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Mel, That Muawiah's inscription and coin are not Islamic can be questioned if one assumes that the Moumenin in Amir Al Moumenin is the same Moumenin in the Quran, as Muslims do! I wish you had asked him this point :)

  • @urbandsouza7279
    @urbandsouza7279 Жыл бұрын

    Mel first to comment

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    The black rock is one of thee Economic powerhouse Corp in this earth 🌎

  • @petervdbnz2
    @petervdbnz2 Жыл бұрын

    I'm really impressed with Kerr's knowledge and I've enjoyed this series. I hope he also submits himself to Jesus as Lord. Thanks for the interview, Mel.

  • @daviesp2003
    @daviesp20034 ай бұрын

    Interesting but his vice with the pipe is unbearable!!!

  • @RS_Holdings
    @RS_Holdings Жыл бұрын

    Very good video , therefore I feel hurt that the Muslim's are converting spiritual people of other faith's, when they don't even know their own belief system... They doing exactly what the Ottoman Empire did ... These are a subliminally damaged people that are in confusion , and lie that they witness a dead person ie : Moe Be warned of their fake 'Shahada' and dream 'Call to prayer'

  • @ahmedalsaaidi3714

    @ahmedalsaaidi3714

    Жыл бұрын

    We know our religion very well.its the christians who are unique,every christian i meet is unique once he is cornered in a conversation,he will say ; will i dont believe in this,and i dont believe in that.every christian has his own sets of believes.

  • @Ekim1740
    @Ekim1740 Жыл бұрын

    I think Prof Kerr is mistaken to say that Christians got it wrong in using the word Adonai as word use to call "I AM" or Yahweh. Since Jews also call God as Lord in the Old testament. Jews translated Yahweh to Lord. In the Gospel you can read thru it where the Gospel call Jesus as Lord to basically say he is God. But the new testament they use the word "God" to call God the father. When St Paul say God he usually mean its the Father and when he says the Lord he means Jesus Christ. Jesus also call himself as "I AM" to be basically say I am the God of Abraham. So to say that Christian just got it wrong is pretty inaccurate. I dont understand Robert Kerr Background but maybe he has some bias against Christianity. He seems to think that early Christians who are Jewish in background does not understand the Torah. First they had to argue with Jews using the Torah. When they said Jesus died according to the scriptures, they are saying according to the Jewish scriptures. Of course in the New covenant, the Apostles Authority is very powerful. Because Christians view the Old Covenant to already been fulfilled by Christ. So many of the requirements of the Old covenants has been replaced by new Sacraments founded by the Christ and his Church.

  • @RS_Holdings
    @RS_Holdings Жыл бұрын

    It is an infancy faith , that took from other belief systems and thought they could create little Moe's all over the world to submit to their BS ... Excuse my harsh lingo...

  • @Hamann9631
    @Hamann96319 ай бұрын

    The Song of Solomon isn't inspired.

  • @abuukarata9653
    @abuukarata9653 Жыл бұрын

    How did you know prof you were not there

  • @Ufor332
    @Ufor3326 ай бұрын

    Muawiya 🤍🤍🤍

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    Hence , we don't hear the linguists , or the dream given 'adhaan'

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    🇸🇦 this is a week ص 🔪... What an iconic flag , emoji , I CON

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    Perhaps , Ebrahim (A.S) was told to be blindfolded by Ishaq (A.S) 🤔

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    Their relics don't blindfold a Devinely Recitation and Interpretation of the Holy Bible & the Holy Quræn understood from a Holy lens , the 'Relics' won't survive IA..

  • @I0888
    @I0888 Жыл бұрын

    Is it not evident enough that 'Mohammad' name appears in song of 'Solomon' Bin That's where it belongs , to the Bin

  • @ilanbouwmeester6838

    @ilanbouwmeester6838

    10 ай бұрын

    maḥămaddîm - מחמדים is not Muḥammad - محمد. The Hebrew is a masculine plural indefinite noun, and the Arabic is a masculine singular passive participle. In this specific case the Biblical Hebrew uses the plural as an elative. Mechanical translation: Pallette-his (חכ-ו) [is] most sweet (מ-מתק-ים) and-everything-he (ו-כל-ו) [is] most precious (מ-חמד-ים)... If you read it in context, it clearly is a poem that anthropomorphizes the Temple of Jerusalem. And is absolutely not referring to a man or prophet. The Open New Arabic Version has mushtahian مشتهيان as a translation for maḥămaddîm - מחמדים. The Arabic uses the passive participle of desire (as an adjective, in the fem. plural). The plural here also functions as an elative, mirroring the Hebrew very close in both grammar and meaning. The root ḥ-m-d / ח-מ-ד / ح-م-د is shared in the Semitic languages, but is slightly shifted in meaning: Hebrew - precious Safaitic - glory Arabic / South-Arabian - praised See for instance in the standard praise to G-d formula Biblical Hebrew uses a totally different root to mean praise. Mechanical Arabic: The-praise-him (ال-حمد) to-G'd (ل-له) Mechanical Biblical Hebrew: Praise (הלל) to-G'd (ל-אל). (Biblical) Hebrew and (Nabataean) Aramaic use the verbal root h-l-l / ה-ל-ל / ه-ل-ل to mean praise. In Arabic this same root renders the meaning 'to dedicate' as in Q2:173, and Q5:3 for example. Even if the roots are the same, the meaning isn't. The morphology of words and grammar differ enough to limit the mutual intelligibility substantially. For reference look at the Arabic translations of SnG 5:16 Mechanical translation Open New Arabic Version: Mouth-his (فم-ه) [is] sweet (عذب) and-everything-he (و-كل-ه) [is] most desired (مشتهيان)... Mechanical translation Arabic ERV: Mouth-his (فم-ه) [is] sweet (عذب) very (جدا). And-everything (و-كل) that which (ما) in-him (فيه) [is] desired (شهى) very (جدا)...

  • @I0888

    @I0888

    10 ай бұрын

    @ilanbouwmeester6838 Thank You , tell them to remove ISMAEL name , in every scripture existing on this earth please... he does not exist , and Did not exist ever in World History

  • @I0888

    @I0888

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ilanbouwmeester6838 so every single scripture or whichever carries the name should do blood tests

  • @ilanbouwmeester6838
    @ilanbouwmeester6838 Жыл бұрын

    "First" is what is called an ordinal number. Proto-Semitic (almost certainly) did not have ordinal numbers. So non of the Semitic languages inherited those from their common ancestor. In Akkadian only a single attestation is known of the ordinal number 1, ištiyu from the cardinal ištēn, meaning 1. In the following sentence iš-ti-ia-um-ma šú-uš-ša "her first name". In Hebrew it is ראשון (rishon), from ראש (rosh) - head. In Arabic it is اول (awwal), from اهل (ʔahl) - family, from the root tent, as attested in Hebrew and Ugaritic. The rashidat راشدة caliphate, is probably only indirectly linked to the ordinal 1 and head in Hebrew. It seems to me more likely it has a relation to the Judeo-Babylonian Aramaic (and later Syriac) ܪܝܫܢܘܬܐ (rēšānūṯā) - head of a (Jewish) academy, prince. Secondary meaning governance. Note: prince in this context is a title for a ruler who isn't a king, not in the sense of a son of a king. This etymology fits better with the actual function of the rashidun caliphs. I do not think this a direct one-to-one borrowing, but more like an Arabian equivalent title for the JBA one. In a similar vein as the use of Isa as described by Al-Jallad, instead of either Jesus or Joshua. But the spelling seems to be more informed by the JBA or Syriac. Also note the ta marbuta in the Arabic spelling which often points to a 'taw' in the Aramaic rendition of the word.

  • @user-vz6vf5zn9t
    @user-vz6vf5zn9t8 ай бұрын

    Islam destroy.

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