I've received a correction from my source on the dating of the Jewish inscription: it should be 523 AD. [Not 518AD] It doesn't change anything, but it is nice to have an accurate year.

@murielpucoe9213

10 ай бұрын

Plain nonsense. Why do you want your scriptures to be from the jews when you hate them so much, I mean the rocks will say come and kill the jew.There was no prophet

we are getting much closer to the truth

@yakovmatityahu

11 ай бұрын

InshaYeshua.

@J1WE

11 ай бұрын

Good to hear!

@addchannelname9021

11 ай бұрын

Cho Mohammed was a child molester, the truth rules.

@daro8593

11 ай бұрын

Murad I still can't find info about Mary Magdalen and her husband and son Jesus

@daro8593

9 ай бұрын

Dear Murad do you know where to find info about who Mary Magdalene married?

Fabulous presentation Mel, an awful lot to take in, I'll be making a fair few notes from the presentation to use to try and get the Education Authority to teach the truth about Islam, and of course to use with my many debates with Muslims, thank you for your hard work and passing on your knowledge

@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid

11 ай бұрын

The Education Authority of…

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Love your work 🤔 I saw Tom Holland outline some of this but you have really laid it all out here. 👏👏👏, Thanks also, that took a lot of effort, much appreciated 👍

Great video Mel. I’ve always had suspicions of mhmd in the koran. Great summary. Of course this leads to a disconnect between early “islam” and post abbassid ottoman islam we see today.

@fantasia55

11 ай бұрын

Islam was invented by the Abbasids.

I was waiting for this 👍🏻compliance with Odon lafontaine 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

This is fantastic Mel!

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Thanks a million! All the attempts at getting at the truth finally started paying dividends. Thank you for coming along on this journey with me. I really appreciate it!

May I suggest that by changing the word Ahmad in Q61:6 to Comforter, Paraclete, ie the Holy Spirit, suddenly the verse makes more sense.

@jma7600

11 ай бұрын

Ahmad is the superlative form for the root H M D meaning the Most Praiseworthy One, quite fitting name for a person of the Trinity

@jma7600

11 ай бұрын

@@islamicoriginsxtra In verse 61:6 Jesus the Angel of God is announcing the coming of the third person of the Trinity called Ahmad by the writers of the Quran. All three persons are in essence One God and all equally Most Praiseworthy. Muslim exegetes have really made a mess of this one saying that Ahmad is another name of their prophet while the same people will insist that the Paraclete in John’s gospel is Mohammad.

@collybever

11 ай бұрын

@@islamicoriginsxtra Quran author does seem to be fond of superlative forms, hyperbolic language.

Wow this is a really interesting subject. Thank you for your research! The obscure history behind it is incredible, and it's only obscure because they hide it

Isn’t 33: 40 Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum a big clue? If correctly translated like google does, it should say “Muhammad was not the father of any of you!” What? Muhammad was? Imagine Mo sitting in the Hira cave and Jibreel telling him, “Mohammad was not”! Mo must have been shocked. What? I am dead? I am sitting here and he says “I was” as if I am dead? Whoever wrote the Quran might be saying this verse about Jesus.

Fascinating topic.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! I found it exciting unpacking all the different clues.

I think Muhammad is Jesus and Ahmad is Holy Spirit because in the Bible Jesus will give the comforter. And Holy spirit also a rasul in the Quran

when you unravel a cube you get a cross!

Do we even surprise at this point ?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

True. Though imagine 99.9% of all Muslims have never heard any of this.

@mister4631

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Oh they never heard of this especially in my country, even if they did they will just accuse us christian for corruption and tell is western propaganda

@RVMTube

11 ай бұрын

​@@IslamicOriginsindeed Mel. Gnosticism has a strong clasp on islam. And even non muslims have no idea. The process to teach is a long and slow one... but never has it had so much momentum and speed, historically. Thank you for you work.

As to the “angel of God” as “me” (God) - a curiosity remains in that “Allah” means the abstract “uncreated” deity who is the first part of Islamic Trinity (Allah, alrahman, Al Rahim) - and Allah is lord But ALSO: Allah refers to the WHOLE three persons. So in that sense, “al Rahim” who is Muhammad (Jesus) is ALSO considered as “Lord”. Therefore to obey Allah is to obey “Muhammad” (Jesus) Because although Allah and Muhammad are separate and distinct- they are ALSO ONE. So we have a this contrary or paradoxical understanding where “Muhammad/Jesus is just the messenger of Allah” but also Muhammad is the part of Allah.

@mrbowtieguy

11 ай бұрын

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18:55 from the same root Lamed Alef Khaf not only Malach, or messenger, also comes Malchutí, ie: hand-made. Connection being that angels' activity is as an ambassador of the Creator.

@mariussielcken

5 ай бұрын

The angels were the first creations of God

@ross3818

5 ай бұрын

@@mariussielcken Not light?

Thanks Mel for your research and good work. God bless you 🙏

Thank you Mel for your work! This presentation is a wake-up call for Muhammadans. Unfortunately for them, but great news for Christians, MHMD really refers to Jesus, not Muhammad. Now they have to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to fit their so-called prophet into the greater personage. However, they will never be able to do it.

Excellent work! The Umayyads up until Abd Al Malik were surely Christian!

From very early times, the church recognized 'Angel/Messenger of the LORD' texts in Genesis and elsewhere as being appearances of the pre-incarnate Christ. Great work connecting the dots, Mel!

@ross3818

11 ай бұрын

Are you putting your dot next to Mel's? IMO preincarnate, messenger, and the one to whom the messengers receive their messages are 3 contradictory terms Could you please share any references about your doctrine?

@collybever

11 ай бұрын

@@ross3818 Mel presented some good examples, and others can be found.

@oleo.stimes6525

11 ай бұрын

Start with any annotated Bible or any Bible Commentary on the verses in question. Read any ancient sermons or commentaries on the passages. Use Google to start searching. It's about as hard as finding sand at a beach.

This is brilliant!

When you think about it - the term “kuffar” or “unbeliever” refers in the Quran as someone who doesn’t believe that “Muhammad” is the messenger of God - who seemed to die on the cross (as Issa the suffering servant) but was resurrected and granted immortality by Allah. (As Muhammad the “victorious ruler/ judge”) Ironically - virtually ALL TODAY’s Muslims would be considered “unbelievers” by the Quranic standards. And the Jews, of course

@samuelmorales2344

11 ай бұрын

It is argues against Jews who rejected Jesus and those who "covered" the Torah with Talmud - coverer = "kuffar" according to French scholarship.

@MBiernat0711

11 ай бұрын

@@samuelmorales2344 yes! Of course. Because “covering the Torah with the Talmud” would mean the negation of the Toraic predictions about the “prophet like Moses” to come, and making fun of Jesus and his mother Mariam by the writers of the Talmud. “Prophet like Moses” to the Quran writers would be Jesus, and the idea of “Prophet Muhammad” as a distinct individual separate from the Messiah Issa is not invented till …. Late 8th century? Today’s Muslims don’t understand that for the writers of the Quran, “Muhammad” is the spirit of Issa who comes as the king and judge (as Jesus is believed to be arriving at the end of days), and whoever denies that Jesus-Muhammad died on the cross but resurrected and “didn’t die” because Allah immortalized him as part of a trinity - is a “coverer of truth”. By the standard of the Quran- virtually ALL today’s Muslims would be “coverers” because the deny that Jesus was the immortalized martyr who died on the cross only to become alive again - because “martyrs don’t really die” but only “appear so” according to the Quran- and Muhammad is the Light of God, the Guide, the Way - the one who removes the burden (of sin) and frees from the shackles (of death). “Muhammad” is the Spirit of Issa who fights through the “believers” and exercises the “divine vengeance” upon the “disbelievers” and all who reject the Messiah Issa /Muhammad and his “cause” of bringing all the world into the “kingdom” or “caliphate” of Allah.

From recent lexical analysis of the quranic text it appears that what is referred to as "muhammad" in the quran (which means "the praised one") is not a name but a title which refers to Jesus, as the prophet and messiah. So early muslims in the quran (not yet called muslims but "mumineen" ie. " believers") were in fact anti-trinitarian christians who accepted Jesus as revered prophet and messiah but rejected his divine nature (this is why in the quran Jesus is always called "Issa ibn Meryam" ( عِيسَى إِبْنُ مَرْيَم ) ie. "Jesus son of Mary", but never "son of God")

It is worth mentioning in Sufism it is believed that Mohammad is Mohammad & the archangel Gabriel simultaneously. It is said that his name is (Mohammad on earth & Ahmad in the sky/heavens). also that Mohammad is Yahoushua’s spiritual father, making Mary & Jesus people of ahl Al bayt. ALSO is it believed that all things in existence came from one soul which is Mohammad’s soul. Very similar to the Christian belief of all things being created through Yahoushua if not the same. Also said that the angel of God who spoke to Hagar was Mohammad. However the moors believe that Mohammad is the reincarnation of Yahoushua. & that a man called Musaylama took over the Islamic religion which we have today.

What happened during the late 7th century, for Abd al Malik to move away from Christianity. Why did he fought against Christian Rome? What is the need to create the mythology of the warlord Muhammad? How can a man of sword and a killer be a man worthy of worship? What was these early Arab thinking? Why Mecca and Medina? Complete irrelevant in Bible?

@yakovmatityahu

11 ай бұрын

The Crux of the Matter was Politics, and theology of the matter was that Byzantines were Trinitarians in Belief and faith....Arabs were mostly Heretical Unitarian in belief...this was the main issue due to which Abd Al Malik went to war against Byzantine empire.

@orunabho

11 ай бұрын

@@yakovmatityahu I guess so. So finally invented a different tradition, for the Arabs, with a Arabic scripture, out of the blue, with a mythical & legendary Arabic warlord projected as the Arabic Prophet

@yakovmatityahu

11 ай бұрын

@@orunabho there was no Prophet Muhammed of mecca in Hijaz in early 7th century ad...

@valiantcolumnar1992

10 ай бұрын

WHAT-HOW-WHY? THE ANSWER IS POLITICS.

@yakovmatityahu

10 ай бұрын

@@valiantcolumnar1992 Exactly, and a mind set, because Byzantines were solidly Chalcedonian Trinitarian Christians, and Arabs at that time had adopted AntiTrinitarian heretical Christianity, so it was also an Ideological battle fused with Politics...we see the same today also.

This material is brilliant Mel!

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks Daro! I think I'm getting close to the truth here.

Am I hearing the irish accent?🙂 Great stuff

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

You sure are. 👍😁

Awesome brother Mel

Mel, MHMD was a common word it seems, it could equally be "Mahmood". Abraha elephant was named as "Mahmood" -- in Islamic tradition. I am not saying that's true or not. But it indicates that word, "mhmd", existed and was used for multiple purposes.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Oh yes, I forgot to include that as well. Yes, you are correct. Ironically, the Elephant's name is closest to the original, which is quite funny.

@baybars3138

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins It's not close, it's same word. MHMD just needs vowels to sound like that.

@OksintasObones

8 ай бұрын

​@@baybars3138there was no elephant event .. abraha or this Mahmoud event that he went to destroy kaaba never existed .. it's the misinterpretation of the Syriac original text .. it's all wrong

@baybars3138

8 ай бұрын

@@OksintasObones what's original?

@OksintasObones

8 ай бұрын

@@baybars3138 the Arabic word alfeel does not mean elephant.. just like the rest of the Surat .. it talks about all those arrogant rules who challenged God and didn't succeed.. it's pronounced alfayl not alfeel

Brilliant Mel. Some questions! What is "Commander of the Believers"? Does it also have any Biblical precedence? Why commander? Commander of an Army against whom? Who is the enemy?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

I don't know if it has Biblical precedence but in the life of the Church we can see similar terminolohy used earlier. If we turn to Eusebius's History of the Church, we see that he calls Jesus "the commander-in-chief of the rational and immortal host of heaven." Perhaps, Mu'awiya is drawing from the same well of religious imagery, by designating himself an earthly counterpart to that, ie a commander of the Church militant on earth. Or he may be including the various monotheists under that term "believers", which was what Yehuda Nevo said in his book, Crossroads to Islam. I'm not sure if it implies an army against another but it certainly would have played a role in uniting the clans. Perhaps others have more to add to this.

Fabulous. This is a treasure!

Good on you Mel. Dots seems to connect well. Hmm this all seems to suit to what ive been saying for a long time too, though many disagree..

So the fictitious character of Muhammad has been invented by the abbassids (8th and 9th century) and what is referred to as "muhammad" in the quran (which means "the praised one") is not a name but a title which refers to Jesus, as the prophet and messiah. This is a tremendous discovery ...

Fabulous. Whitout the Bible you will never understand the coran.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

You got it in a nutshell. Most Muslims don't read the Bible, so have no clue what the qur'an is on about. also, a lot of them haven't even read the qur'an in their native tongue either! The level of their ignorance is off the charts. :)

Surat 47 verse two does not have same rhythming with verse one thus the second sentence from verse two was added .. it was not there at all

Been following some of your investigation. There is hot powder here.

This was Nuclear Bomb 💣 drop on SIN, WW3 declared by Mel against SIN.😊

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

:) haha. Actually, I think it really is for any Muslim who takes seriously the evidence and follows through the whole thing with understanding and an open mind.

@yakovmatityahu

11 ай бұрын

​@@IslamicOriginsExciting times to live indeed.

I thought I heard you mention somewhere that Muawiya was possibly a Monophysite. I’ve been thinking that too. Do you have any information on that?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Nothing directly but I said it as the more likely option. Yehuda Nevo made the case that the byzantines were promoting monophysitism to cut loose from being responsible for this Eastern border.

21:39 what are your thoughts on Joe’s belief that the text actually says roshelallah (archangel of God) and not rasulallah?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Has he evidence for it, IE a reconstruction from the RASM? Or was it a conjecture?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Seeing your post a second time, I can see how there is the potential to get that from the Rasm. Joe is a genius. That looks like a good possibility.

Scary back sound 🤣🤣🤣

Hey Mel lovely video. I have a question though I want to know your opinion. I heard another theory says that back then when Islam would come into a country they wouldn’t change the whole coin they would simply but a phrase on it like “la Ilah ila Allah” لا اله الا الله or محمد and stuff like that but would keep the rest even if it contradicted Islam as it allowed them to continue trading with the biggest empires. I’m still in the early stages of learning about this so forgive any incorrect information. Would love to know more if anyone has knowledge on this. Thanks and God bless!

Correction... ahmed IS the root HMD... MHMD is a construct on the root HMD the M preformant is a prefixe infering an impersonation, an agent or a place... because root are usually verbs... but the verbs can also be used as a participe therefor as a noun... much like a gaffling in english is a noun... tho it look like a participe of a verb...

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for that. Murad clarified that Ahmad and Hamad are the same too.

this is brilliant

It seems like the angel of God & God in the Bible are the “we” of the Quran

Surah 33:40 mentions Muhammad then down the line in 33:45 calls him the deliverer of GOOD NEWS. What does gospel mean? ;)

Not a hostile comment (Stress) but John of Nikiu's (quite shocking) account of the invasion of Egypt... I am at the mercy of English translation so not sure if it is correct in having mention of "Muslim" all over it or if that is a translation issue I wonder. Significance is that it predates "Maavia" and is by an external commentator who was against the invaders. Appreciate it is a bit of a tangent but it implies awareness of a separate religion much earlier. Any chance of looking into it?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Probably the term Hagarene has been translated as Muslim. This is a common error because it is anachronistic. I will look into it later.

good video

Augustus means "the Praised One" in Latin.

hi, can you check sahih bukhari 3417 about david (dawud) reading quran. Is it true or just a fabrication?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

You might be new to channel. I don't consider hadiths by and large historically reliable. They are generally fabrications for any number of reasons. in any case, you referred me to a hadith that doesn't refer to the quran but the Zabur, resumably the Psalms. David wrote the Psalms, according to both Jewish and Christian traditions. How is this remotely connected to the topic of the video?

The Ummayads conquered as vast land, north Africa and Spain in the west. Far away from being polluted by later Eastern Caliphs (Persianized) - the Abbasids. Is there anything, particularly in Spain, books, rock edicts, places of worship, gravestones, tombs etc to support this Christian origin of early Ummayads.

@samuelmorales2344

11 ай бұрын

They didn't conquer anything. The Byzantines retreated after they defeated the Persians. This is more of insurgency or rebellion than a foreign army entering Byzantine territory. Byzantines never acknowledge the Arab rulers as anything foreign. It seems the Romans found no interest in defending territories in the Levant and left the locals to fend for themselves.

@matthewchrist5399

11 ай бұрын

We have it even today - the US left Afganistan - Taliban/Muslims made a story up with an epic battle out of it, with a huge victory. @@samuelmorales2344

@TingTong2568

6 ай бұрын

@@samuelmorales2344 there were sources that mentions battles

Is the phrase “not BUT a messenger” equivalent to “not JUST a messenger”?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

It means "just a messenger".

How you interpretate the sasanian coin , mhmd with fire altar mel ?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

@@islamicoriginsxtra because you have a literalist mind.... I still see you as on the spectrum.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

The bismillah poses the same problem. It comes from a Syriac - Christian background. Declaring their Messiah to the Zoroastrians is odd but they interpret him as an angel which finds an audience among Zoroastrians.

@elicalexander6174

11 ай бұрын

I think the Quran took quite a long time to codify, not all at once. Most likely a commission was assembled somewhere in the Sassanid lands, which translated texts with different provenance into Arabic. The early surahs (the last in the Islamic Quran) are Manichaean ones (at least five of them). As for the rest, I honestly find it difficult to answer. Somewhere there are clear traces of the Talmud, somewhere of Zoroastrianism. It is a very syncretistic text. The Arabs were probably needed for an alliance with the Parthians and Jews. The Arabs were a very serious military force by the 7th century. So by getting them on their side, it was possible to change everything on the military front. You believe that Quran more than 1 writer ? It's contradict one another

17:47 Jesus the "MESSANGER" of Allah. Really makes you see Servant and Son and even Angel, not so much Slave and how those words can overlap in role, duty, obligations etc within languages and Translations. The Word of God The Angel of the Lord The Son The Servant

What do you make of the claim that “Allah” is not a generic word meaning “God”, but a proper name for the Islamic god? Christian Prince often uses that against Muslims, but do you think it’s a good strategy? Thanks for your work, my friend!

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

I bow to Christian Prince's superior Arabic knowledge, but I don't think it is all that clear that Allah is just Al Lah. It might be anachronistic. Where does that leave us with Alaha in Syriac, which is definitely used as a generic term for God in a Christian context.

In the Umayyad coin in the first picture, the side with the person and the crosses is crowned with the word B.SH.M, which means in the name of .. and on the second side of that coin comes the name MHMD, and accordingly the phrase is in the name of MHMD .. and I do not know in the entire Islamic history that it begins with the phrase “in the name of Muhammad, but always comes the phrase (in the name of God)

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

The Bismillah has a history well before Islam, equivalent to "In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" found more in the West. Nestorian inscriptions found in China have a Bismillah for example.

@ASHORSHEMAYA

11 ай бұрын

I meant that that two words of the bshm and m h m d were actually means in the name of God not a person called Muhammad

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, true. Sorry.@@ASHORSHEMAYA

@ASHORSHEMAYA

11 ай бұрын

The Sasanian coins of that period were minted by al-Zubayr, and that is why the Umayyad caliph was chasing him to put an end to his rebellion. Despite this, you did not give us an example or a model where the Muslims started something with (in the name of Muhammad) instead IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!!

@TingTong2568

11 ай бұрын

​@@Soufian-ng9ulMuslims worships Muhammad unconsciously

Why I cant download this video?😢

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Put ss before the y in the address and you will be able.

@DusTman761

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins what that mean ss before the y in the address?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

@@DusTman761 y of KZread.com

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Insert those letters into KZread address of the video and a website will download it for you.

I think that the belief that Jesus only appeared to be killed on the cross was a belief held by some monphysite sect in response to the objection that god is immortal and thus cannot be killed. I wish I could think of the source for this...

@kilianklaiber6367

11 ай бұрын

Bart Ehrmann explains in this video that this belief war held by gnostic christian sects and even points to an author. Thus, the Jesus story of the qu'an appears to be taken from heretical christian sects: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6yTq8Nyg5S0gpM.html

@kilianklaiber6367

11 ай бұрын

Oh, here it is. The gospel of Basiledes: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Basilides

@Enochphilw

3 ай бұрын

The wages of Sin is death the price paid by Christ in full. Every part of our being can die completely and utterly. Yes God can die and could if he so chose. The immortality of the soul is a false doctrine of demons designed to make the blood of Christ of no avail.

@Nous86

Ай бұрын

Koran 3:169 “And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allāh as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision” Hence the Koran says it appeared to them as if he was dead but in actuality he did not die, while the body appeared it was suffering, the soul wasn’t suffering at all. Yahushua says 19:33 “Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I will be raised back to life!” This clearly shows in the Koran Yahushua did die but probably didn’t taste the bitterness of death.

Without Lies Islam Dies No Doubt about it this is why i never trust muslims for there history , we Christians have to do it Ourselves. Thank You for This Great Presentation , islam is Finished. God Bless You❤

Talking about the LIGHT.. is it cohensidence where we find in the Nicene Creed the same phrase as: GOD from GOD, LIGHT from LIGHT? AND AFTER THAT WE FIND IN THE HADITH THAT MUHAMMAD WAS ALIGHT FROM ALLAH LIGHT AND BY HIM THE WHOLE CREATION HAS BEEN MADE!! WHAT THE COINCIDENCE 🤦🏼🤣

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

No, it is not a coincidence, it is purposeful imitation. The Qur'an also does reference the Nicene creed in places. Angelica Neuwith unpacked this in a fascinating lecture.

@villainousssb533

11 ай бұрын

Jesus says- I am the light of the world etc

@valiantcolumnar1992

10 ай бұрын

BAD COPIER :D :D :D

Interesting, but too Christian-centric in my opinion. For me, it's a middle path, where moulds of prophets, gods and angels where combined to come up with an earthly, worldly and very much Arabian Muhammad. So, yes, there are elements of Christianity there, but it's not just an evolutionary branch of Christianity. Lloyd also jumped ship when he realised I was not on board with a completely Christian interpretation of Islam or Christianity being the better alternative.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

I didn't really go into the nature of the group, I kept it vague, so as not to get bogged down, other than to say a Christian heretical group in relation to coins. But yes, Jewish influence was implicit in view of the Jewish inscription from 518AD.

@RedWolf75

11 ай бұрын

​@@IslamicOrigins You have a link to that Jewish coin?

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Not currently, I was sent the info by email.@@RedWolf75

You did not read wel the coran sorry. 24:10 Sura 6:75 sais: Abraham sais to his father Azar.... Genesis 12:27 sais Terah is the Father of Abraham. I say it for years, nobody reacts. If nobody reacts ,i do not believe of any of the Christian / Islamic specialist.

@matthewchrist5399

11 ай бұрын

Christian Prince had it said many times - Azar means fool. Because Abrahams father worships idols.

Hebrew connotation is the truth. Yeshua is the lord. King of the Jews who died on the cross for your sins. The only prophet who mentions sin is Jesus therefore unraveling the world. Muhammad does not mention sin.

Is mhmd is Jesus, who is Isa then?

@OrdoMallius

7 ай бұрын

Mhmd is title Isa would be the name.

Of course you have a great deal of confusion if you refer to the lies and corrupted pseudo-sources of the prophet killers. Be extremely careful what you do Mel. Not that your conscience will be your undoing yet?! Do not forget that Abu Sufyan and Muawia are among the killers of the Prophet and the Prophet's family. Also, which Jesus are you talking about? For Jesus and Yesua is not the same person. Or did you mean by Jesus, about Apollonius? One gets the impression that by Maria aka Kleopara (Magdalena/Notzri) you mean..

Lots of lies here... Muhamedim in OT is a plural. Why in the world is plural? You have only 1 prophet!!

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Quote from a slide in video: "We can also see “mhmd” in it’s plural form in the Old Testament, Song of Songs 5:16" I said it was plural in the video, this is it. So how can you say it was a lie when I reported it? It is in fact you who are lying by misrepresenting my findings. As far as I can tell of workings of Hebrew grammar, its masculine plural because it is a common noun, not a proper noun. Deducing whether it is one or more from this is foolhardy, as the subject of the sentence is a singular He. Hebrew grammar doesn't work like English so caution needs to be taken.

Yes they have replaced Jesus it is very sad and distorted a Christian book

Europeans are mad… can’t discredit Islam in any way so you go and make up a story 😂😂😂

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Quoting ancient sources is not making things up. Why don't you address the specifics?

@yakovmatityahu

11 ай бұрын

More Bombshell coming on Islam.

Total BS.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

So just like your comment then...

@TheAdrianSmith

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOriginsDon’t flatter yourself

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

I'm not the one with THE before their name. Narcissist much?@@TheAdrianSmith

@TheAdrianSmith

11 ай бұрын

it is better to be narcissistic than being delusional

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Narcissism is a delusion. It is much easier to say BS than to give a counter argument. Any intelligent Muslims can see that my points are factually based. @@TheAdrianSmith

REALLY? YOU DON'T SAY! THIS GUY IS SLIGHTLY SMARTER THAN A FROZEN CHICKEN, LUCKLY THE CHICKEN WASN'T A LIVING CHICKEN

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

So your ad hominems mean that you have zero counter evidence. I see.... Muslims, look this guy has no argument in response. 😁

Christian dont have this stly of adressing God. The syle and gospel of christians do not relate and the christians do not consider jesus as a prophet, do not relate at all. Is bushit analysis

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Jesus is a prophet, priest and king according to Christian theology. Why are you using bad language? It is no substitute for evidence.

@abuukarata9653

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins jesus have never been a prophet to the christians. Jesus is god to them and always he will be.

@abuukarata9653

11 ай бұрын

You dont need to have a phd to know what you address is mediocrity, what you need take the all 4 gospels then compare to muhamad kuran.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Before you talk of Phd, a very basic knowledge of Christianity, something you lack, would lead you to know the triple role of Jesus.@@abuukarata9653 A quote from Bishop Barron, "A classic characterization of Jesus is that he is priest, prophet, and king. As priest, he sanctifies, that is to say, he reestablishes the lost link between divinity and humanity; as prophet, he speaks and embodies the divine truth; and as king, he leads us on the right path, giving guidance to the human project. You might say that, as priest, he is the life; as prophet, he is the truth; and as king he is the way." This is why Jesus says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." By saying, you think "Jesus has never been a prophet to Christians" shows utter ignorance. We believe he is a prophet and God. It isn't one or the other. From the official Cathechism of the Council of Trent, 16th century: "Jesus Christ, therefore, was the great Prophet and Teacher, from whom we have learned the will of God and by whom the world has been taught the knowledge of the heavenly Father. The name prophet belongs to Him preeminently, because all others who were dignified with that name were His disciples, sent principally to announce the coming of that Prophet who was to save all men. Christ was also a Priest, not indeed of the same order as were the priests of the tribe of Levi in the Old Law, but of that of which the Prophet David sang: Thou art a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech. This subject the Apostle fully and accurately develops in his Epistle to the Hebrews. Christ not only as God, but also as man and partaker of our nature, we acknowledge to be a King. Of Him the Angel testified: He shall reign in the house of Jacob forever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. This kingdom of Christ is spiritual and eternal, begun on earth but perfected in heaven. He discharges by His admirable Providence the duties of King towards His Church, governing and protecting her against the assaults and snares of her enemies, legislating for her and imparting to her not only holiness and righteousness, but also the power and strength to persevere. But although the good and the bad are found within the limits of this kingdom, and thus all men by right belong to it, yet those who in conformity with His commands lead unsullied and innocent lives, experience beyond all others the sovereign goodness and beneficence of our King. Although descended from the most illustrious race of kings, He obtained this kingdom not by hereditary or other human right, but because God bestowed on Him as man all the power, dignity and majesty of which human nature is capable. To Him, therefore, God delivered the government of the whole world, and to this His sovereignty, which has already commenced, all things shall be made fully and entirely subject on the day of judgment." If you want more evidence, that this is what Christians believe, I would be happy to provide more. Thinking you know more about Christianity than Christians is foolish when even Christians know more about how Islam really began than Muslims do!

@abuukarata9653

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Jesus is god: no matter how you force it.

Angel of the L-rd does NOT mean Jesus, heaven forbid, angels simply carry out the will of G-d. And yes the word for angel also means messenger, bringing a message from G-d and speaking for Him. Yours is a Christian theological interpretation which clearly supports your interpretation of the origins of Islam, but is definitely not within the original Hebrew text.

@mashruralam5795

11 ай бұрын

I think pre-rabbinical Judaism also associated The Angel of the Lord with God. If I remember correctly Jewish sages called this messenger Metatron.

@gilaschannel1855

11 ай бұрын

@@islamicoriginsxtra No it wasn't, the Tanach was written down in Hebrew (and a tiny bit of Aramaic). There was a Greek translation made of it, but that was later on. Only the New Testament was originally written in Greek.

@gilaschannel1855

11 ай бұрын

@@islamicoriginsxtra We're talking about many, many centuries ago. Not too much survives from that time. Though the Dead Sea Scrolls show very close similarities in the scrolls and parts of scrolls which have been discovered to today's books of the Tanach. Evidence of early Hebrew written down has now been found going back to the time very close to when the Torah would originally have been written down ie nearly 3500 years ago. (Indeed historian David Rohl - an agnostic and without a religious axe to grind - makes a compelling case for conventional chronology for ancient Egypt to be wrong and when corrected, all the Biblical historical details going way back to the time of Joseph fall into place very nicely with loads of archaeology that has been found both in Egypt and in Israel. He also believes that Joseph is the most likely creator of the first alphabetical script ie proto Hebrew. And of course Moses, credited with writing the Torah down originally, was extremely highly educated at the court of the Pharoah of his time and would definitely have known how to read and write.) Details of how people lived and of treaties made contained within the Tanach are consistent with the time periods involved. There is even the story of King Josiah (who lived in 7th century BCE) recorded in 2 Kings 22 when an old copy of a book of the Torah was discovered in the Temple (thought by many Jewish commentators to be the book of Deuteronomy). Much had been forgotten and the king reinstituted following the Torah faithfully. Was this book in Greek? Of course not! Jewish scribes have been faithfully writing new copies of the Tanach and of its separate books for many, many centuries, with many halachot ensuring that they do so entirely accurately. Suggest you read "On the reliability of the Old Testament" by Professor Kenneth Kitchen. It is big and full of information which will take a while to digest. But he is a renowned expert in his field. You can get it from amazon at www.amazon.com/Reliability-Old-Testament-K-Kitchen/dp/0802803962

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

My goodness, the Septuagint was not the original. I thought you were the historical guru. 😁😱🤣@@islamicoriginsxtra

@gilaschannel1855

11 ай бұрын

@mysotiras0187 My point exactly. A messenger of G-d, an angel, can certainly speak FOR G-d because that is what he has come to do. Whereas Jesus was an orthodox Jew of his time, who kept the Torah including the Oral Torah which he argued about some very fine points with other Torah experts ie Pharisees, a typical Jewish preoccupation which continued on into the time of the writing down of the Mishnah and all those abstruse legal arguments that made it into the Talmud, and continues on in yeshivas and kollels today. No way would he have wanted to be seen as divine, that is idol worship to a Jew. Even the lord's prayer, actually a very Jewish prayer (no surprise there!), is addressed directly to G-d, no intermediary mentioned as being necessary to forgive our sins. G-d alone can do that when we repent, as He forgave the people of Nineveh when they simply repented as recorded in the book of Jonah. No sacrifices necessary there. We are told time and again in the Tanach that G-d is One and He is not a man, and is totally beyond our understanding or conception. Personally I was privileged to be shown that by G-d directly when He took me out of Christianity and home to Judaism on an amazing and totally unexpected spiritual journey. All there really is is G-d, we can never be apart from Him and He loves us beyond our comprehension. Got a bit carried away there, as a Jew who loves G-d with all my heart and soul. And has a loving relationship with Him directly, particularly in this Hebrew month of Elul when we can feel His closeness even more.

Nothing is interested, is still the same bushit analysis

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

Feel free to disprove it. I'm waiting. 😱🐒

@miguelsureda9762

11 ай бұрын

Whaw ! What a knowledge !

@garybowings1538

11 ай бұрын

Go on.

BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY

Very well presented. Add to the the seal of the prophet addendum , see Thomas Alexander for a clear example and the WHO ? Issue , where i follow the conclusion of a common friend and you are closing in.

@IslamicOrigins

11 ай бұрын

You mean AJ Deus.

@miguelsureda9762

11 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Si señor !