As someone with a physical disability, yes there is that protection law for us, however if the reason to not hire a disabled person is safety, the safety aspect needs to come first

@georgeherod4252

Жыл бұрын

Safety comes first. If he passes the drug screen, can he be a helper until he can show he can do the job. Very, very wise of you to have other workers in the interview

@bobthegamingtaco6073

Жыл бұрын

Yup, safety first, guy would need to be able to do the job he's asking for (with reasonable accommodation if requested) but twitching and fumbling usually means the muscles aren't all working in the same direction at the same time, meaning this dude could seriously hurt himself doing field work

@AugsterA

Жыл бұрын

Great subject matter!

@RaulS1684

Жыл бұрын

This 100%, I would think safety would trump all especially since in this industry you are operating a piece of heavy machinery (The pump truck, I could very well be wrong) but in any case, there is a lot of manual labor involved here and I would think the last thing anyone would want if for someone with a potential disability to over-extend themselves to injury or potentially injure others. Quite the dilemma here. Wishing you all the best in this.

@CrankyBarista

Жыл бұрын

I own a chain of cafes and have had to make the decision not to hire someone who had a disfigurement in both hands. My employees are having to handle hot liquid drinks, having to chop food with sharp knives, etc... and it just wasnt a job someone with hand issues could do. There are plenty of other jobs for ppl with disabilities... but safety for him, the other staff and customers is just a reality that we as employers must consider.

The mere fact that you're pondering over hiring him and not just refusing shows what a decent human being you are.

@BrawlerTheSmokyDutchMan

Жыл бұрын

Loved that ❤

@christonacouch5550

5 ай бұрын

Lol please this guy decided to not give the struggling individual a chance yeah what a an amazing person 😒😒 He only considered it because he didn’t want to get sued

As a former heroin addict myself, 7 years clean now, I can say without a doubt that there are absolutely certain defects that stay with us even years later. Whether it be physical, mental or even neurological and i have definitely noticed these things tend to manifest themselves whenever anxiety is at a high level. Perfect example is job interviews haha.

@kiranicole2096

9 ай бұрын

Also a former heroin addict with only just under 3 years clean - as far as heroin goes, I haven't noticed any lasting effects even on the other former opiate addicts around me except for maybe posture. It's former meth use that tends to leave those, a sign of at least a couple pretty bad weeks in their life.

@WiseRuler

8 ай бұрын

Jesus can heal u.

@rcdune7132

8 ай бұрын

@@WiseRuler still waiting....

@WiseRuler

8 ай бұрын

​@@rcdune7132Well call on Him & Ask. Read the Bible on Healing Verses.

@hahaucantread

22 күн бұрын

@@WiseRuler No he can't, but he might spell the word "you" properly.

As an addict and someone who has spent a lot of time around addicts: He very well could be in withdrawal with the intent of getting a job and resuming drug use. I've seen it a lot. But I woulf have asked if he noticed his ticks after he revealed his past drug use. Just to see his reaction and maybe glean more off of that. Use your gut. You don't feel he'd be safe or present well to customers. Your team doesn't feel safe. Getting your attorney's advice is also 100% the right move too as you already knew.

@sheslikeheroin93

Жыл бұрын

ahhh the classic "kick till payday"

@kiranicole2096

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't know why he didn't just ask about it. It's okay to ask those questions as long as you're not being shitty about it, and could have saved him a bit of time asking others instead of just asking the guy directly.

As a recovering addict i appreciate the respect given by business/home owners. Now i dont use any drugs anymore but sounds like this guy is still using..

@TokenWhiteGuyAGR

Жыл бұрын

Stay strong, brother.

@daBEAGLE1017

Жыл бұрын

I also am 4 years recovering. Hang in there friend.

@MrJayrock620

Жыл бұрын

It’s possible he’s still using, but I’ve actually seen what he’s talking about in person. I knew a guy that was sober for over a decade, but he did so many phychedelics and cocaine when he wasn’t clean the effects were permanent. I actually watched him pull out an old 80’s brick phone on the bus and start having a conversation loudly, but you could clearly see there was no battery in it.

@jasi5534

Жыл бұрын

bravo my guy

@bobthegamingtaco6073

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrJayrock620yeah, had a relative who stopped using a long time ago, but she took maybe a decade, decade and a half to stop twitching, and I'm pretty sure she still has those tics, just has them better under control. It's rough seeing someone permanently screw themselves up, no matter how they did it Stay strong everyone

Out if curiosity, how would you handle the situation if he was honest with you about his addiction? 15 years ago i moved to a new town to get out of the life. The first job that I applied for, I was honest about my addiction and wanted to start with pushing a broom until i got my head clear. He gave me that chance and was patient with my mood swings and withdrawl symptoms. Over a couple years I became a crew lead and built up a new career and now run my own business. To this day I look to him as one of the people.who saved my life and thank him for that chance.

@bobthegamingtaco6073

Жыл бұрын

Per the video, the guy said he "had been clean for years" so he at least kinda admitted to it. In my opinion at least, dude wasn't a good fit for the job he applied for, maybe if he had asked to be a cleaner that would've gone better (after seeing the truck cleaning livestream they might need one lol)

@jacquelynbaisden1583

Жыл бұрын

Be very proud of yourself, I truly mean that.

@rickraber1249

Жыл бұрын

Michael, James' problem is he doesn't have a broom pushing job, he has a job where the guy needs to drive a truck, be part of a crew, and deal with the public.

@michaeldimma2378

Жыл бұрын

@@jacquelynbaisden1583 getting clean was one of the hardest things I've ever done and i am proud. I have been able to take the lessons from my previous employer/friend and help several others to get a new start. I am proud and try to help others feel the same. Thank you.

@swe113

Жыл бұрын

Great going! You did awesome

As someone on the spectrum, I'm grateful you mentioned and distinguished those idiosyncrasies! Far too often our quirks are categorized as something they're not, and it's important that more people are educated. ❤

@GovilGirl

Жыл бұрын

He checked in on the instincts of the two autistic employees that met the guy interviewing. He wanted their input, and their gut feelings because they might know things he does not. This just demonstrates how much he respects and values them. ❤

@M.TTT.

Жыл бұрын

@@GovilGirl true, apparently we can also usually tell when someone is a "bs-er"/"schmoozer" or basically an emotionally manipulative person - possibly sociopathic. At least for me, I don't care for others "compliments" on my appearance or actions and can usually tell when its an ingenuine gesture meant to get something from me or others. It's sad because I try to tell others who fall for it, but they often can't snap out of it or don't want to see the truth.

@mcgee1864

11 ай бұрын

It is also important to realize that someone who is capable of comprehending and properly implementing into a sentence, the word "idiosyncrasies", even if "on the spectrum", is too negligibly low on the spectrum to really be going around talking about how they are "on the spectrum". For whatever reasons or motives they have. Whether it be inadvertently or directly and intently seeking recognition, empathy, compassion, etcetera. It's also not just that single word. Your entire comment was composed in a way that speaks to the exact and extreme opposite of someone who is autistic in any way. The pandering is deplorable and pathetically sad. Please grow up. Whatever autism may exist in you, it seems to be obviously apparent that it's nowhere near severe enough for you to have any kind of legitimate concerns about it negatively affecting the daily functions of your life.

@mike3133f

11 ай бұрын

Spectrum people can spot spectrum people very well, better than the drs. Glad you mentioned that. If your gut say no, trust your gut and trust your employees

@qwertbird2833

11 ай бұрын

@@mcgee1864 autistic people aren't all incapable of understanding how to use words, dude. Also, you don't know this person. The only interaction you have ever had and likely ever will have with them, is this one youtube comment. Idk what impacted you so much as to just assume someone, who was just sharing some gratitude that someone is actually acknowledging our experiences mind you, is pandering or seeking attention is, frankly, gross. Clearly this didn't come from nowhere, and I feel for you, but taking it out on literally anyone isn't helpful, and is actively hindering any meaningful discussion.

The fact you are asking these questions AND have employees sit in on these interviews tells me all i need to know. You guys are doing it right.

I actually encountered this very situation a few months back. I run an independent grocery store, and one of my cashiers moved, so I had to replace them. I started interviewing the applicants, and the second one up was this middle aged lady. I knew something was off the moment she walked in. The near constant jittery movement, overly fast paced speech, chomping on a piece of gum like it was the last she'd ever have, and her choice of outfit was a bit... concerning. Now, I did my best to give her the benefit of the doubt. I conducted the interview as I would for anyone, then introduced her to some of the other staff. Just like in your situation, she said all the right things. What it came down to was, was this a person I and my employees would feel comfortable with being the first person to make an impression on a new customer? Is this person going to represent the store and everyone employed there properly and professionally? So, I'm actually a former addict myself. I know the scene far too well. I lived it for years, unfortunately. There is a difference between someone who is trying to make a change in their life, and someone who is just interested in making enough to supply the high. So, between the booty shorts and revealing crop top she wore to be interviewed in, her twitchy mannerisms, and the general consensus that no one would feel comfortable with her representing them or where they work, I passed her over. Fast forward a month or so, and one of the guys that manages the BK across the way came in to get change and was pretty ticked off. Come to find out they had hired her to fill a position in the drive thru, and just that afternoon for the shift change she had emptied out the register and taken off to parts unknown. He said after talking to the cops, that they think she's behind a string of robberies along the gulf south, using fake ids and all to work just long enough to get to a register and take off to the next place. So, the real question is, is how much you're willing to risk to hire someone that your gut is telling you is a bad idea.

@darthwolfX2

Жыл бұрын

Fantastic advice.

@M.TTT.

Жыл бұрын

disgusting how some people do things like that to others, drugs or not.

@michaelcherokee8906

Жыл бұрын

Forget everything else, booty shorts and a crop top for an interview should result in a big ole immediate NO.

@merendell

11 ай бұрын

@@michaelcherokee8906 100% agree unless your hiring for a very... um particular type of business. If your not trying to be a pimp probalby better to let it pass.

@don-tl6hu

10 ай бұрын

​@@michaelcherokee8906appearance is the number one thing I have always looked at, nice clothes, cropped hair/facial hair, clean fingernails, not stinky or covering up smells. Was taught 1st impressions is key to pretty much everything.

Sir I just want to tell you the way you conduct yourself and your stories of dealing with adverse situations have been of great inspiration to me. As a teenager without a father it's men like you who often fill the masculine role every person needs to look up to. The internet brings out the best and the worst of humanity, and every so often you find something brilliant like this.

@Winstonrodney6989

Жыл бұрын

The fact that you’re seeking out these positive role models tells me your going to do alright. I lost my Father when I was very young and I became a holy terror For most of my young adult life. I wish I could go back and change some of my stupid (and sometimes criminal) behavior but the best I can do is be the best I can be now. I hope you have a great life and do something your passionate about. Your in a great position to set yourself up for a nice future!

@mimimo555

Жыл бұрын

Keep moving in a healthy direction, you're doing well!

@davidav8orpflanz561

Жыл бұрын

My father was abusive in so many ways and negative; I got on the outdoor track team and my track coach (Ralph Lupia: Utica Free Academy, Utica, NY) became my real 1st mentor; - I got out of there after graduating from High School, by joining the US Army - but, not for some cushy job, I picked Special Forces (Green Beret) Medic/Paratrooper; which he told me I never could complete the training! Fooled him! When I was desperately tired, hungry, in pain, too hot, too cold, and too miserable for most others who did already quit, I kept telling myself - "I'm never going back to what my life was before I joined the Army - I'd rather die trying than say, "I quit" - they could fail me out, but I wasn't "QUITTING" - and by shear determination, I passed the course that almost killed me three times (Heat Stroke the 1st day of SF training; too low parachute drop with a malfunctioned combat load release that didn't release; hypothermia). Stupid me - didn't know that course was more about weeding out weak people, than training! But, there was a lot of training too! And, I had no clue that I basically signed up for the Ph.D. curriculum of the US Army's most elite warfighters, without any other military experience like 1st being Infantry or a Ranger....I was focused on the advanced Special Forces medical training when I joined!!! Get a mentor, and a goal to focus on achieving - maybe not as extreme as I did - LOL! Graduating High School shows you can start a goal, and complete it on time; same with college - sometimes more important than what you learned to potential employers - finishing what you start, and degree of how well you did whilst doing that! Rank (n any organization), to me, equals the level of responsibility you are willing to accept - which often reflects the income level you will receive....achieved by accomplishing goals that make you trustworthy to give responsibility. It's a circle, the more you achieve in responsible areas, the higher you go to the next level! All young people should also buy two books (in he military or not) to get their finacial act/responsibility together - - THE ARMED FORCES GUIDE TO PERSONAL FINANCIAL PLANNING - written by Military officers for young people with low incomes to get started on the right path to avoid living pay-check-to-paycheck, and over paying for stuff, or buying stuff smartly! and "smart" investments... - INVESTING IN YOUR 20's and 30's for DUMMIES. - RICH DAD - POOR DAD You don't have to have a ton of money to get started investing, you just need to know how and where to start investing smartly, more $ to invest will come with work success. i was a starving Private, just married, and $17K in debt (car) when I bought the 1st book and started having the Army take out $25 from my pay for a US Savings Bond every month, developed the savings habit - so I couldn't see that $25, or spend it! That's the key, set up a small $ savings habits (instead of spend everything habits), to start automatic transfer(s) to sub-savings accounts the day after payday direct deposit comes in, and you won't spend it....even if just $1 or $5, or more to get the habit started? When you see these accounts growing, without any effort - it's a great feeling! As you go, you can change amounts of $. I do all this myself with the online Credit Union customer portal. Like - when my property taxes goes up (they always do), I make a slight increase in the automatic monthly deposit for next year's bill - no lack of money or surprises when the Bill comes due next year - required to pay in full! Some Sub-Savings account categories to create and set up automatic transfers day after you get paid (you can change as needed) - WITH A CREDIT UNION, NOT BANK! For automatic savings - - Emergency Fund ($ available keeps you from filling up high-interest credit cards when things break, or go wrong) - Insurance Funds (1/12 or 1/6th of the annual or semi-annual bill - pay in full for a discount) - Future down payments (Car, house?) fund: maybe save to total pay cash? Not having a car loan, is a #1 way to keep ahead of debt! - Vehicle maintenance fund (registration, inspection fees; oil changes, tires, battery, wipers, etc...) - Christmas fund (don't charge up credit cards for gifts, this is your annual holiday spending budget) - want to buy something expensive (i.e.: camper, boat, motorcycle) savings account... Charge everything you can, on the highest rewards credit cards (no annual fee) you can get - and pay off the bills in full (so no interest charged to you) when it comes - from the appropriate sub-saving account! So, use credit cards, but not to carry balances month-to-month and pay interest on unpaid "borrowed" money balances! They should just be used as tools, for you to get more $ for using them, and building a good credit history! Build your credit score that way, earn cash-back rewards - a higher credit score, the more trustworthy you "officially" are, for such things as - cheaper insurance, qualifying to rent nice places to live, cheaper loan interest rates, etc...life gets better sooner, then later! Start with experiencing the AUTOMATIC account transfers to sub-saving accounts to pay yourself first habit, and make adjustments from there - remember, just because you can't see this money you earned from your paychecks in full the day after payday in your CHECKING account - doesn't mean it is "GONE"...and sub-savings accounts waiting to be used for intended purposes earn you $ interests too - Mo' money, Mo' money!

@MrThetruthhurts

Жыл бұрын

Good on you my man. Look for the best and you will have it in your life one day. God Bless you.

@Winstonrodney6989

Жыл бұрын

@@davidav8orpflanz561 all good advice, just one question, does that army financial planning guide have a section about buying a brand new charger or mustang for 23 percent interest at those dealerships that are always located just off base.😂

Recovered alcoholic here. Your gut told you everything you needed to know and I approve of you going with your gut on this one. It was the whole constellation of data that pinged for me as well, particularly the wreckage from his addiction that it doesn't sound like he's addressed yet. Part of recovery is facing your damage and cleaning it up, and if you aren't doing that it lets me know you're treading water till your next relapse and all your character defects are out there unacknowledged, untreated, and ready to wreak havoc on a new victim. Pass. Thanks for hiring recovered alcoholics and addicts though; my people are truly great when they've done the work :)

I used to own a business. My partner hired someone like you describe. He started on Monday, by Thursday he had violated so many of the rules of conduct and so much crazy stuff that I fired him. My partner wasn't too good at hiring people. :(

We have hired addicts recently (in the last three years) who presented as clean, but each of them relapsed disastrously. Now we're super cautious.

It comes down to " You have a business to run". And if your customers are unhappy then you won't have a business to employee anyone with out customers.

As a railroad supervisor I had similar dilemmas in hiring. All other things aside. I went with my gut. The few times I didn't for what ever the reason, didn't end well. Go with your gut, let the rest sort itself out.

I appreciate this. One of my first jobs was working for a guy I knew from church and I worked for him another time years later and I was always impressed with his willingness to give anyone a chance. That has left an impression on my about compassion and forgiveness.

I managed a dog kennel for a few years, and I had some serious trouble with that same decision. We got a lot of convicts and addicts both current and former put in apps because we were a step stone job. If they could stay employed with us for 3-6 months, it proved reliability and responsibility so they could move on and geta better job. We all knew that this was not a long-term gig, but I also knew that it takes an extremely high level of responsibility and self-control to work with dogs. You really have to be able to think on your feet because dogs can be highly unpredictable. So, unlike most step stone gigs we had to maintain a high standard for our hiring practices. Anyone that presented with ticks like that I would have to think long and hard about. Most of the time I declined to hire them because it indicated a level of damage that could result in unpredictable behavior. The self-soothing behaviors I've encountered tend to link to sudden explosive outbursts when things go bad. I would hard bypass on hiring when they were slow to answer my questions. If they have to think about the answers in an interview, you are not getting their natural response. When they are working and something comes up, they aren't going to pause to think about it and you are going to get a very different reaction than the answer they gave in the interview. (Side note: I live in a city with major drug problems, mostly meth and fentanyl now, but we had one heck of an opioid issue a few years back. I had very regular encounters with addicts that may have biased my opinion.)

@1337flite

Жыл бұрын

You were *possibly* (presumably unkowingly) discriminating against people with neurological conditions. If you are interested google SDAM Severly Deficient Autobiographical Memory. Some people can't remember very much about their life. It depends on the indivual and it depends on the nature of the question, so they might be able to tell you something happened, but they can't necesarily any details. And they often have to think about it to give you any answer at all. I can be asked about something that happened say last week at work and I might not be able to give you details of the situation, but I might remember the technical lesson learned and be able to use that knowledge in future work. Other people need to think about questions because it just takes them more time to process questions. If you ask me a question I will likely think about your question and then all the possible ways the words can be interpreted and then try and work out which is likely to be what you actually want to know, and then maybe ask you if that is what you want to know and then answer. I do that because I have learnt over time that the way I process language is different to most people and I tend to see lots of possible ways to interpret a question, that the person who asking it thinks is perfectly clear. Now that doesn't mean I can't read a dogs body language, or can't react quickly to a situation, but it does mean that I tend to process questions slower than most people. But I tend to give more precise answers too. Natural to you is not necessarily natural for me. BTW fentanyl is an opiod, so I would not have said "mostly meth and fentanyl now, but we had one heck of an opioid issue a few years back". I would have said "meth and opoids" because it is technically correct and uses less words. I would argue neither was more natuarl, but we both expressed and thought about that information you were conveyuing differently.

@zbop220

Жыл бұрын

​@NotMe605 OH wow, I haven't heard of SDAM before but your explanation and description of how you interpret language matches my behavior pretty closely. I got some researching to do. Thanks and hello fellow brain!

@bobthegamingtaco6073

Жыл бұрын

I'd say when in doubt, ask first, got a couple of friends/relatives on spectrum and while I love 'em to bits, when you talk to them there's a loading circle while they try to interpret what you said and what you meant. Granted, both of the ones I know avoid dogs because they are overstimulus on four legs, but the point stands

@dandymom1709

Жыл бұрын

@@1337flite I understand there is a possibility that I could have unknowingly discriminated against people with SDAM or language difficulties but given twitches and ticks to go along with the slow answers indicates a number of neurological divergences that render them unable to do the job. Also, I understand there are communication differences. Just to explain what I meant...I used opioid and fentanyl separately because the common opioids most people think of are very different from fentanyl. It would be like saying stimulants and meth... Caffeine is a stimulant. Meth is a whole different animal.

@Dommommy

Жыл бұрын

​@@dandymom1709I'm not trying to undermine anyone's experiences but NotMe seems to be creating a strawman argument and you're correct in being leery regarding certain traits. SDAM is not common enough to even consider it as an option, especially if you live in a drug infested area (I do as well). You could go around every day asking if that slow mover on the side of the road is special needs but, chances are, they're riding the horse. They have, or heard of, an obscure condition and wanted to bring it up. Blessings to you 💜

As a former trucking company manager, my boss hired a friend of his over my head. I told him he was on something, found out he was selling fuel in California and cold our city cops to catch him when he came into town. Dope was all over the side of the truck where he tried to throw it out. Found needles in the cab also with a baby in a car seat in the floorboard. Needless to say, driver went to jail and my boss asked for my approval on further interviews!!!😂

You know, as a woman, it appears to me that you're now facing the same situation we run into often. We meet a guy who, on the surface, seems nice, says all the right things, looks well put-together, and seems perfectly friendly. BUT, there's something about him that just sets us off, feels wrong, and we feel in danger. The same advice applies to you now that also applies to us. TRUST YOUR GUT REACTION. If you feel something is off - which was backed up by everyone on your team - then SOMETHING IS OFF! On the business side, I applaud your conscientious approach to this problem. Yes, there are legal ramifications if you truly discriminate. However, part of your hiring policy should include team cohesion. You cannot afford to hire people who will cause tension within the team, which would disrupt work. That's just not good business. As long as you have a non-discriminatory reason to not hire this person then you should be good.

@agoodnight1050

9 ай бұрын

Freeze them eggs

An interesting point here: when you described his behavior, it felt like a mirror. However I've never done drugs, I have Dermatitis. I have medication against the itching, but I'm left with phantom tingles like spiders crawling over my skin..

@briankeyes268

8 ай бұрын

Whoa, that's a curse. ❤

One of the things that has to be taken into account is team dynamics, if people aren't comfortable working with someone, it can affect performance and if his tick and behavior puts people he works with at risk, it's your responsibility not to hire him. I don't know the septic business so I don't know if that would apply for his position though, a safe desk job communicating with clients may be a better fit.

As a recovered addict I'm glad you give people a chance. It seems like you're a pretty good judge of character. If something, even if it's not easily identifiable, made everyone around feel uncomfortable working with someone, that's a perfectly valid reason to choose someone else.

It’s a really hard dilemma. I myself am a former drug addict, clean for 3 years and not using. So I can see both sides. I really want to give people a chance to better themselves but if they are still currently using it’s hard. I believe anyone can turn their addiction around but that has to be the first step a better them

As has been stated before, safety should be the number one concern. Including the applicants safety. I am disabled but work a part time job, while looking for the job I have now, I had to turn down other offers, as well as having to be turned down, because there was something I could not safely manage. I ended up going to a totally different line of work with a company that wanted to give me a chance. I do not regret that to this day.

@user-wz9wj8eo8f

6 ай бұрын

I understand your dilemma and the ethics that come along for the ride. You have to hire someone who has the ability to safely do the required work while making a profit for the company. If you have concerns about handling the person keys to a work vehicle coupled with customer interaction you should not hire them. The ADA law does protect specific individuals but doesn't demand you hire questionable people.

I would say, you are a good guy with very good sense of people. If both you and your employees are not comfortable being around him then don't hire him. In your company he will not be under your direct supervision 100% of the time, why buy trouble and stress? Also, it isn't hard to verbally answer questions correctly. The hard part is doing the correct thing once the job is yours.

Doesn't matter about qualifications. It's about being a right fit with the team

I respect the fact that you're taking so much time to think about it, most of the time employers don't give a crap if You're part of a protected class, those just come up with another reason not to hire you. But honestly if your crew is not comfortable with him don't hire him. That's what it comes down to because of the potential risks involved in your business your crew has to be able to work as a team and be able to trust each other and if there's not that initial ability to trust then he's not a good fit

This is one of those "yard man" decisions. I exhibit some of that kind of activity sometimes when stressed from my tourettes but if he's doing self soothing instead of simply ticking then theres other deeply wired behavior in there and it'd take me a while to trust em.

As a recovering addict (6.5 years clean) my opinion is: Give them a chance - IF they seem trustworthy. Which it does not sound like this guy was. Lots of us change for the better. Lots of us never change at all. Like you said, you have to ensure the safety and comfort of your current team. If this guy has sufficient tics to be potentially dangerous while operating the equipment you guys use, there's no question of hiring him.

There’s something called tardive dyskinesia that comes from prescribed meds for mental health issues. It can cause strange looking tics like the tongue/mouth movements you described.

@sarahsovereign4522

Жыл бұрын

changing meds or learning dosage can also interrupt voluntary movements, and deplete amino acid uptake.

@joandougan8682

Жыл бұрын

What I was thinking. He doesn't want to reveal this.

@unclesham5507

Жыл бұрын

Definitely could be T.D.

@n2omike

Жыл бұрын

If that's the case, he should have been honest about it. If this was the case, he would have been fully aware of the tics... and should have explained them.

@lauraburns8306

Жыл бұрын

And they can be permanent - after the drug is discontinued.

It's great that you want to interview everyone, giving them a fair chance, but I always recommend making a decision based on the information you have & your prior experience. If your crew is uncomfortable with this individual & you're concerned about safety, then this isn't the right job for this person. Thanks so much for sharing!

Pending the drug test, you also have to think about how safe he will be at the job sites. If he passes drug test, try an infield interview to see how he does

I appreciate that you are taking the medical/disability issue seriously. I have a disability that only allows me to work a couple of hours a day, and I have had multiple interviewers not even give me a fighting chance at a fair interview because I can’t work as many hours as they would like. Even though they know it’s a disability and medical issue. And the worst part is they say it to my face that they won’t hire me because I can’t work he hours they require. It makes me feel like there is no place in the world for someone like me, and it makes me feel like this society as a whole treats me like a burden that would be better off just disappearing off the face of the earth. I know I could take legal action but I’d rather not. So thank you for giving people a fighting chance who can’t live up to the expectation of the world

@Greeneyedkitty82

Жыл бұрын

If you can only work two hours a day and they need help for more hours, accommodating you could possibly be an undue hardship on them. Under the ADA they are required to make reasonable accommodations. If you cannot do the job even with reasonable accommodation, than it would not be discrimination. Maybe you could see about volunteering for a couple of hours a few days a week in your community

@rickraber1249

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry for your disability, and I'm sorry you feel disrespected because you can't work more hours. The employer's problem is not you - it's the fact that they need an 8-hour a shift employee. Of course they can't give you a fighting chance, but it's because you aren't able to give them 8 hours a day. I'm sure you have the skills, and you certainly have the will. Maybe you could find a couple of part time jobs that would work for you. Most employers are running on a tight enough margin that they have to structure their business in a certain way, which is why they can't accomodate you. It might be less discouraging for you if you ask when scheduling the interview if they can accomodate someone who can only work your hours. Good luck to you, and may God bless you with the right job.

@BTK1653

Жыл бұрын

Have you considered applying for services with your local state Vocational Rehabilitation office? They help individuals with disabilities get and keep employment.

@mimis1314

Жыл бұрын

im in the same boat.

@zarbarf

Жыл бұрын

@@Greeneyedkitty82you make a good point, but one of these places I would’ve been a perfect fit. They have a program to help abused children; which I am so thought I had a better chance of getting hired. It’s not like I was asking for free money though that’s what they offer many children that are in similar situations to what I was in. They have 10s of thousands of employees across many buildings and this particular one had plenty of employees to spare. There was no real excusable downside to not giving me a chance.

I had a close friend who was friggin magical with woodwork, pure art in his building. Fast forward 20 years, I wanted to hire him but he had been using crack for over ten years at that point, per his own admission. I hired him and it was gone, the ability, the vision. It isn't coming back. I shop at a second hand store that is run by a halfway house to employ recovered addicts and it is a fun house. The lead fellow there couldn't concentrate on my question, eyes shifting and attention obviously gone. I shop there to support the effort but...ya know? I live in a drug addled community and I am here to say I wouldn't hire a person who had used heavy drugs for an extended amount of time in my business. My heart goes out to my old friends and family but a gone brain don't come home again.

@n2omike

Жыл бұрын

There's a guy I use to work with who was an AMAZING and truly gifted artist. He could take an Etch & Sketch and draw photographic like pictures on them. Then he would just erase it and do something else. lol He was a true free spirit and had zero business sense. After years of drug use, he's not anywhere close to the same person he use to be. Drugs do permanent damage over time. It's a sad reality.

@cavalieroutdoors6036

Жыл бұрын

Man that's awful. My biggest fear is the inevitable loss of the skills I've acquired. There's no 2 ways about it, age will eventually get us all. But to do it to one's self prematurely with drugs...man that hurts.

I had a guy who was recovering on my crew. He started using again; Things got ugly, not only with me, but with the owner. This guy was hired before I was, and the owner felt a little sad about doing it, but it had to be done. I've also had co-workers who were clean, and stayed clean, but in my experience that's rare. Most people recovering revert to what they gave up. The 12th step is extremely important. I never went to AA meetings, but I've been sober for about 2 years now. I credit my helping others with sobriety as a huge reason why I won't drink anymore. If it doesn't feel like he'll make it, that he'll relapse, don't hire him. And by all accounts rendered in this video, it sounds that way.

Thank-you for openly sharing these important real world business and moral dillemas you face. You and your community seem the most genuine I've seen, focused on how to make the right decisions in a messy and complicated world. Wish there were more people willing to be openly honest about important topics as you have been.

It’s called the Uncanny Valley. Your lizard brain is really good at identifying humans that don’t act normally. It’s a defense mechanism. I absolutely understand.

@tinkerstrade3553

9 ай бұрын

I'm going to go slightly off subject. I've looked into what little is published on this phenomenon. And nowhere do I find any reason why we developed this ability/condition? What could have traumatized our ancestors so much, that this became an inate fear we seem born with? I can understand how we developed an instinctual fear of something like lightning. You see others get fried by a bolt of light from the sky, and hear a loud boom, and that sticks with you, I'm sure. But what would be the catalyst for a fear of something that looked "almost" human, but was dangerous? It couldn't be other humans, they wouldn't be frightening or uncanny. That has bothered me. It seems real and precise when experienced, yet there's no logic to why. Sorry for the ramble.🙂

@Prosecute-fauci

9 ай бұрын

@@tinkerstrade3553 I think it has to do with your ability to predict actions. If you can tell that the thing isn’t human, or sentient, then you don’t know what it’s going to do next. The tells that you can gather may not be there before it does something violent.

@tinkerstrade3553

9 ай бұрын

@@Prosecute-fauci It's just an itch in my brain, I suppose. I keep getting the feeling it was at some point where there were perhaps multiple "human like" species. It had to be something that made it "not human", yet enough like a human for the difference to be hard to spot at first. Another oddity here is how in old accounts from Native Americans, phrases like " I am Walking Bear, of the Lakota, a human being." There is that need to make clear to the listener, that they don't just look and sound like a human, but really are human. Thanks for your perspective on this. I didn't realize the age on this video, so my crazy post came out of the blue.🤣 Thanks for answering. (I was up all last night with a dog and a lightning storm, and YT was the only distraction from being clawed to the bone every time the thunder came.) TY. - john

@Prosecute-fauci

9 ай бұрын

@@tinkerstrade3553 I’m not certain it’s anything of ancestral origin. You don’t have to see someone get zapped by lighting to be startled by thunder. You learn very early in your life that loud noises are uncomfortable. If we had an intrinsic understanding of lightning danger we wouldn’t have so many videos where people are standing around with their hair floating around smiling like morons moments before lightning strikes. They should be running, but they have no clue what danger they are in. Looking for ancestral origins for human behavior may be the reason you are driving yourself batty over the question. It may be simpler than that.

@tinkerstrade3553

9 ай бұрын

@@Prosecute-fauci Perhaps. And I agree about people being foolish with lightning. But this very conversation is subconsciously focusing our minds to NOT be foolish like them. It's the chicken and the egg. If you see something in the water while fishing. It's a log. But something looks "off" about that log, maybe the bark, maybe the color, so you poke it with your paddle, and it's a 12 foot alligator. So you had a reasonable idea, ahead of getting too close, that it might be a disguised predator. We know of them, even people where they don't reside, so we know to watch for things that could be them. Or a shark. Or a cop.(😁) So, if this isn't some genetic thing, how many "almost humans" do we see regularly to keep this reaction alive? See, that's the insidious nature of the question, every logical answer, just leads to an illogical conclusion. And no. I'm not obsessed over this; rather, I'm intrigued. I just sometimes look for the tracks of what there is in all the Universe that seems to prune us like a hedge, right down to how we think. It seems we're in a maze not of our own construction. 😎

This is a tough one for sure. I would call the guys bluff on passing a drug test and send him for one as part of pre-employment. As for the legal and ethical considerations, best to consult the experts on that.

@gregsullivan8956

Жыл бұрын

Why waste time and resources when the answer has presented itself.

@mealman0447

Жыл бұрын

​@@gregsullivan8956because this cab be a legal issue if there isnt some action, id say give the first pretraining then fire, if he fails. Thats an entirely different situation

Thank you for addressing this how you have. No matter what you choose to do. I respect the HELL out of you Mr. Butler. True blue good to the core from what I can tell.🙏🙏

Bless you dude ❤❤

I dont have an answer for you but a follow up video with what you then found out after doing the research would be really great! Thanks for all the informational videos helping me run a better buissness in Aus 👍

All very good questions. As someone who was an addic, these tics are signs of use. Not just prior use. I got hired and was required to have a random UA at any given time during my 90-day probation period. "Untill insurance started"

@stringlarson1247

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I was 'out there' for a long time before getting clean. I know there's permanent damage (anhydonia being the worst), but long lasting physical 'tics' are not something I've ever heard of. Maybe just a baseline for this guy. If that were the case, I don't think the other team members would have said no. I'm sure the team was picking up on 'the scent' - all the non-verbal minuscule 'vibes' that someone gives off if they are actively using and not being honest about it.

You definitely made the right choice.! Especially when getting advice from others. Good to get confirmation of your suspicions!

You're honestly one of the most fair employers I've seen on this platform.

@brianthedudiest

Жыл бұрын

Platform....hell more like ever.

@aevan104

Жыл бұрын

@@brianthedudiest 100% I'd work for him

New a guy who did a lot of drugs and ended up with some permanent tics and stuff. Even when he was off the drugs for years he'd still space out and not think clearly. Whatever drugs he did the damage was permanent.

I really like how much thought you're putting into this. You're not just reacting out of Cringe and giving an immediate rejection.

I just had this same situation a few weeks ago. A former addict saw our truck and came up to our crew at 7-11 to ask if we were hiring. They called me and I set up an interview for the guy a few days later. He was completely upfront about his addiction and his personal battle against it. It was genuinely inspiring, BUT there were all sorts of the same issues you described here. He had ticks (physical and verbal), he was slow to get to answers, and I just plain did not feel comfortable with the guy representing my company or driving one of my vehicles. The crew he contacted also told me they really didn't feel comfortable with the guy when he was talking to them, like he seemed just kind of off. I ultimately decided not to hire him. I told him I just didn't think he was a good fit and I didn't want to him to be held back working somewhere that likely wasn't the right place for him. I did give him the names of some other companies in the area that might be hiring and urged him to check them out. At the end of the day, if my crews and my customers aren't going to be comfortable with someone, I don't see a place for them at our company. He took it pretty well and I'm sure he'd heard the same thing a thousand times before. I do hope he find somewhere that's good for him.

Hard, but no I won't hire him. If the team say no, Ur stomach say no.... But I believe in a second chance.... Still no. Dry English isn't my first language

The fact that you put this much analysis and though into these decisions shows you truly care about doing the right thing by people. Most people would just be an instant hard no. At the end of the day the “ legal” answer doesn’t matter because no one is going to get you on that unless you specifically state something like, “ I don’t like disabled people so I didn’t hire this person”. When the rubber hits the road you can hire anyone you please. The final decision is yours alone not the government’s.

Excellent video.

Just lost my 23 year old nephew to a drug overdose in March. I miss him terribly every day. He was a hard worker and a kind soul but had little to no self esteem and hated himself every time he used. When he did go for long stretches of staying off drugs, he couldn't get a job because of his record, so his self esteem went even lower. Addict's are hurting inside and just want to be 'normal' and able to contribute to society and do a good job. You give them a chance by hiring them and I'd just like to thank you for that. I would like to think my nephew Charlie would have felt better about himself if he could have been employed at a decent place but it just never happened. Again, thank you. You could be that second chance for someone and the reason they stay clean.

Great topic James. And of course you tell your stories brilliantly. In my opinion, you have to think about risk management, and would this guy present more of a risk than you'd like to take. Also, I feel like, if he would have led with admission of his past addiction and current physical state, if would have changed your views of him. I know his urinalysis is pending and you are pondering. It's a tricky situation, but I'm confident you'll make a good decision. Great conversation, very thought provoking. Keep up what you're doing

As a former owner of a lawn care company in a rural vacation area I was hurting for a hard working employee so bad I hired a guy that was on coke. Hardest worker I ever had and he presented ok to customers. I had to go and fetch him every morning and get him started like a piece of equipment but once he was up and running he was good to go. Every day he caused me stress since I never knew if the wheels were going to fall off, never did. I sold the company and told the new owner. The new owner kept in on, for how long I don't know. I moved out of the area. Risky hire but worked out. Probably one in a million. I don't encourage that.

@harlowecustommicrogreens

Жыл бұрын

Adam?

@vincedibona4687

Жыл бұрын

Nick

@mph5896

11 ай бұрын

If you are desperate for an employee, I suppose you have to babysit somebody. Crummy position to be in though.

You're a class act, James. No doubt about it. Ethical, intelligent and professional.

I subscribed because of the candid conversation that has fair questions, with genuine concern for doing the right thing. It’s all a person can ask for. To live and work doing the best that can be done with the information at hand. Some folks go beyond what’s at hand to find deeper resonance for their decision making. This is a beautiful thing. I tip my hat to you for this thoughtfulness. You’re doing the right thing already. The ethical aspect will be tempered by the legal ramifications. Trust your gut, and have a good lawyer.

@JamesButlerWellAndSepticLife

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

I appreciate you adding the disclaimer about autism. I am judged a lot based on “not acting normal.”

@justwinks1553

Жыл бұрын

Ditto

@JohnNeo19

Жыл бұрын

Ok but if you have someone with autism who cannot act normal in front of customers who wants to be in a job where they interact with customers. Is it really the right of the government to force an employer to ignore that and hire you when there is a high likelihood that their inability to communicate properly with customers will lead to lost sales and negative reviews. I think it also partly the responsibility of people with disabilities to go for jobs that they are actually capable of. If you’re in a wheelchair, is it irresponsible of you to apply for a job that requires you to do physical labor? If you have frequent autism related meltdowns due to stress is it irresponsible of you to apply for a job that is likely to cause meltdowns? In my opinion it is. I run a detailing company, if you don’t have the physical dexterity to work a power washer you shouldn’t apply for that job. I’d also say the same about extremely weak people that work jobs with a requirement of being able to lift and move 40lb boxes as is the requirement for most fast food jobs. The amount of times my weak tiddy co worker would make all the teenage guys move boxes that were her responsibility because she was physically incapable of lifting them was ridiculous. And I’ve worked in mechanic shops with skinny af woman who throw f350 tires around like it’s nothing so it’s not like she wasn’t capable of getting stronger.

Don't put him behind the wheel until you really got to know him for even up to a year of him proving himself, or just however long it takes. Protecting yourself, your other employees, and your customers.

@rickraber1249

Жыл бұрын

But that's the problem. James is looking to hire someone he can hand truck keys to right away. This guy isn't the one. And my advice is this - always trust your gut.

@AugsterA

Жыл бұрын

@@rickraber1249 Agree!

I like your thought process! I don't know the answer, but I think you'll find the right one for all concerned.

As an up and coming foreman I feel like you ask really powerful questions that help people grow and I think you’re doing a great job. You have certainly helped me think about things at a broader picture.

It would be nice to see a followup video after you hear from your people.

As a Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner who works with people who struggle with both substance use and mental health issues, please remember that sometimes people have long term effects from psychiatric medications that can look like what you described. Look up tardive dyskinesia. If he is not currently using, yes it is possible to become disabled from the physical effects of chronic substance use.

@crystalpetrosky6188

Жыл бұрын

Having worked in the mental health field for 25 years (retired now), I agree. I also agree that Mr. Butler has to look to the interests of his company, employees, and clients. This is, and always will be, a difficult situation to navigate. My heart goes out to all parties.

@ramcharge2704

Жыл бұрын

Well the tardive dyskinesia I don't think is the problem. I think the problem is him almost dropping his phone and things like that. Dropping the heavy equipment constantly. They might just have to qualify for disability if he struggles that's much to function from a history of drug abuse.

I just recently stumbled across your videos, and I thoroughly enjoyed them. I have done many different trades in my lifetime, and I have never seen a boss/owner care as much for their employees as you do. Believing in second chances is one thing, hell some companies earn a tax break for hiring felons, and low-income people, so second chances are kind of incentivized by the government. But you actually talk with them, get to know them and help them. Those are traits I have ever encountered in any workplace by upper management. I'll be honest, I could never do the type of work you do (Just don't have the stomach for it), but I would love to have you as a boss. Wish there were more like you.

Before the last bit, it was easy: If clean and able to do the job, and you could live with him being the face of the company on the jobs, then hire - but if no one wants to work with him, then he suddenly becomes useless to you, and you can't hire anyone who is useless.

I am an addict, and I have both been and have worked around active addicts that I both DID and DID NOT trust on the job site. It depends on the individual, but even a good worker in a bad place can cause embarrassment or worse, an accident. If your behavior sets you apart, and not in a good way- that is a problem. However, some of the hardest and most dependable coworkers I have had have been addicts, many during active addiction. But there’s a big difference between someone who is productive and reliable but has to take their medication so they can function, and the guy who’s sneaking off constantly for a hit. That shit don’t fly. As a former boss once told me: (of course depending on type of work and environment) “I don’t care what you do when you’re not at work, but if I or anyone else thinks you’re fucking around on the job (or you look like it) you’re DONE”. Never had a problem in the 7+ years I worked there (and I was in active addiction at that time). I always tried to pride myself on the fact that- yeah I’m messed up, but I’m still going to outwork and be more professional on the job site than those who would look down their nose at me if they knew my secret. All that being said, I wouldn’t have hired that guy either.

When you don't listen to your gut feelings you soon find out why you should have

Always go with your gut feeling!

What a tough call to make. My biggest concern is how this person would present themselves to your customers especially if they were in a stressful situation. Don't envy your decision. Good luck.

You already know that if the rest of the crew is uncomfortable and does not want to work with him, you have the feeling the guy isn't right for whatever reason, hire someone else. There is no need to call legal.

Go with your gut instinct , you said it yourself “your not comfortable hiring him”

@DavidMulderOne

Жыл бұрын

The same gut instinct tells a lot of white people to not hire black people. Gut instincts are to be relied on in the heat of the moment, but anytime you have time to think gut instincts should really be ignored, as they are incredibly incredibly harmful and can easily make you a bad person.

I wasn't sure about how I felt about your dilemma until you mentioned the keys to the truck. Up until that point I could have gone either way. But I forgot about the trucks and the other safety issues you must deal with (even though I've been watching your posts for a few years now--and admiring your take on things). Better safe than sorry, both for your staff and the other people on the roads that he might cross paths with.

You thought way more about it then I would have. Your intuitive was screaming no and you still kept trying to make sure you considered everything first. I’m at the point I’m my life that I just trust my intuition. I’ve tried too many times to be nice and do the right thing and gotten burned because of it. That being said I really appreciate and value the way you seem to treat people and I’m glad there are at least some people out there trying to make the world a better place.

From a hiring manager's perspective, after speaking with your team, you got the ethical, right, and legal answer. Your team said they wouldn't want to work with him, which means he's a bad team fit. For my team, even if the person answers everything perfectly, I won't move forward with hiring if I get even one of my team members who don't feel comfortable. I value my existing team more than the biggest superstar for a position.

Met many addicts while they were using and many who have cleaned up. If the description youre giving is accurate and it was that blatantly obvious, my bet is he is still using. Also worth keeping in mind people are good at faking drug tests. I assume your procedure is well thought out but i would pay close attention to any possibilities of faking it.

@JustTheTruth-Please

Жыл бұрын

I worked in a drug testing facility and yes, cheat passing the tests are incredible easy, even when we are in the room, as we have to be with some of our clients.

@beautyindarkness

Жыл бұрын

This was my thought. Just because he assured you he could pass a drug test, doesn't mean he's not using- he just knows he can outsmart the drug tests.

My gf just got promoted out of the field to a exec top management position at a big company, and I told her to check your videos out and I don’t think she understood how they would translate, she told me the other day that she started watching these and they are super helpful to her . People are people no matter what you do. As a business owner you don’t always get to here candid experiences from other owners . These are so great .

Interesting dilemma, I hope to see a follow-up video.

As long as you aren't violating any laws that would get you in a legal bind I say go with your gut instinct on this one. Best of luck to the guy and you as well. You'll make the right decision.

Many believe that there ain't no such thing an an _ex-addict,_ just addicts that aren't presently using. BTW, I have some ticks that I've had since childhood.

@JustTheTruth-Please

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. Many addicts and non using addicts share certain personality traits such as a victim complex, blaming others, justifying drug abuse and no motivation to change. I've seen it over and over in friends and family. I won't befriend an addict again, even a clean one--not a true addict. I fully support programs to assist them and my heart has sympathy for their life but not in my life, no.

I like how you're always right at the intersection of good people meeting well-intentioned laws and catching the fallout.

My boss has worked with me with my addiction issues I'm a functioning alcoholic, I show up on time and do my job. Every once in awhile I may take a few extra breaks but I keep my head down, do what needs to be done and make customers happy. Been at the same job a year and a half now.

@zerogravity2264

Жыл бұрын

But if I'm a no call no show again I'll be fired I've done that twice. Seems fair right?

go with your gut, protect your employees and your customers

And if you feel uncomfortable: it’s your right to turn people away. You’re helping so much people, you can’t help em all

you have intuition for a reason. every time i ignored mine it cost me in one way or another.

Thank you

Go with your gut! When it doubt don't do it

Giving right answers isn't enough. Good use of your own brain

Good stuff, as always

If a person presents as a potential liability, I'd think you'd be safe in not hiring. Very valid and concerning questions. Since all employees involved stated they wouldn't feel comfortable working with him. I think they felt their safety would be at risk. Avoid the risk, sadly. You want to give the guy a chance, but... you can't risk all the others and your company.

You're the boss!

My aunt is a heroin and meth addict. We were all disappointed when she survived an OD.

If I had a company I would only hire people I want. My company my rules.

Wow kudos to you because I cannot deal with anyone that fidgets and cannot just be still. Drugs or not I cannot tolerate it because it makes me nervous about that person and his or her intentions.

The symptoms you described also are very aligned with extrapyramidal side effects of some common antipsychotic medications. Many people on these medications will stop taking their meds because they hate dealing with the side effects. This may be someone who sticks to their medication regimen despite the side effects so they can function and work.

It would depend on the drug. Cannabis, I'd still hire. However, crack or H, then that's a no-no in big neon lights

@Biblioholic1993

Жыл бұрын

Pot does not cause ticks and such.... It aint that.

@Mikewee777

Жыл бұрын

​@@Biblioholic1993 people who inject pot are the worst .

@choppercam01

Жыл бұрын

@Mikewee777 well perhaps you should stop then.......

Safety is 100% the first and foremost reason not to hire him.

Your spidey senses were going off for a reason. You have a right to protect your business and your employees.

Sometime long term crack or meth addiction leaves some people with those “ticks”. That’s literal brain damage.

Good thought 🤔☺️

As an employer myself, presentation is everything, especially if the interviewee is representing your company. I completely agree in everyone deserves a second chance in life and a job. That being said, he would be hired to go to a customer’s house and unfortunately addiction has its negative associations. Perception is everything and although I would keep him in mind for another job opportunity, I would be just as apprehensive as you. That’s a tough one.

Firstly good on you for taking the time to recognize the different scenarios that could play out. Imho I believe you should be fine regardless of which option you choose. Here's the way I see it, if the prospective employee isn't a good fit for the company they just aren't a good fit. Even better for you you've already got a pattern in place to prove that the odds of successfully completing the hiring process are largely against applicants as a whole. Sounds like the worst case scenario would be that the applicant could try causing a headache for you but you would be within your rights as an employer. For the record with your leadership skills I would love to have time to learn from you how to run a business.

Protection & safety for yourself, your team members & your CLIENTS is the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. Period. If your team members are saying NO loudly/clearly. That’s all you need to consider. Their lives are on the line in your line of work. Don’t complicate it with potential jeopardy.