Inside of all of us are two wolves. One is Toby. The other is Toby. Both wolves are Toby. You are Toby.

@jdprettynails

3 жыл бұрын

This could easily be a line from Welcome to Night Vale

@thaddeuscramer2312

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone is Toby now.

@trinitysarah2992

3 жыл бұрын

ridiculous, i`m not toby

@thaddeuscramer2312

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinitysarah2992 That’s just what Toby would say, Toby.

@fanboy50

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinitysarah2992 that's what I would say if I was Toby. And I am. So I did.

If ya girl uses a weird apostrophe, has a name starting with T And likes bible fanfiction that aint ya girl, That's Toby

@queer-ios3155

3 жыл бұрын

No, see, you're girl *IS* Toby

@witchhazel811

3 жыл бұрын

the weird apostrophe kinda looks like youre typing engish on a french keyboard. the "accent grave" is where the apostrophe is on an english keyboard. If you dont follow it with a vowel thats exactly what it looks like.

@vallisdaemonumofficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@gerila_when_will_be_here my favorite Bible fanfiction involves Jesus f***ing Christ, and yes, it's pretty hot

@rezajafari6395

3 жыл бұрын

I kind of suspect that the whole idea of bible fanfiction may all just be Toby

@jvgreendarmok

3 жыл бұрын

I used to use the "weird apostrophe" until around 2000 when someone pointed it out. I'm not sure where I picked up the habit.

"I just want to put My Immortal behind me but I keep being haunted by my past" My brother in Christ, you reached out to Sarah yourself

@amoureux6502

Жыл бұрын

Same energy as Rose Christo trying to say she was forced to come out as the "author" of My Immortal against her will while seeming to be the sole driving force behind the claim

@abbiaca-3288

Жыл бұрын

He keeps playing the victim. No one asked him to confess, no one ever accused him. He's been confessing and then getting upset at the consequences of his actions for years now.

@madeline6951

Жыл бұрын

more like "brother in Satan" lmao

@FernBlackwood1995

11 ай бұрын

@@madeline6951 Thanks, Toby.

@andrewjenkins9965

11 ай бұрын

"It was a trollfic, a widely beloved trollfic, and I am so ashamed at my success."

...how on earth this guy managed to run 25 different accounts _and post multiple fanfictions on nearly all of them_ is beyond me. I'm actually kind of impressed.

@afellowpotato

Жыл бұрын

I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got

@cifge_404

Жыл бұрын

@@afellowpotato Oh my goodness, you're right! I'd forgotten about this comment, thanks for all the likes you guys! 😅😆

@devonmmi

10 ай бұрын

like bro i can barely keep track of my mains anymore much less post on all of them consistently

@warwicktaylor347

9 ай бұрын

The social welfare safety net can be 'sufficiently' comfortable here in NZ if you can snugly into it just so... Not having to work can free up a lot of the resource ff loves, hours, lots of them.

@xstar4698

8 ай бұрын

maybe it's A BUNCH OF PEOPLE

TLDR: This dude wrote every bad fanfiction EXCEPT for My Immortal

@sappysaphic420

3 жыл бұрын

don't forget about the biBLe pOeTeY

@Moonlitwatersofaqua

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he also wrote starkits prophecy.

@cuttlefishonfire7502

3 жыл бұрын

@@Moonlitwatersofaqua lol

@VaatiOfDarkness

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno, I can't seem him doing light and Dark, the adventures of Dark Yagami

@biconstanner6315

3 жыл бұрын

@@VaatiOfDarkness Long live to dark Yagami and Bus-sized man thingy!

So, just to be clear, Toby is everyone EXCEPT the author of My Immortal?

@ZombiesWerePeopleToo

3 жыл бұрын

Toby COULD be the author, but we don’t have the kind of concrete evidence that we’d need to be 100% sure. He definitely seems to be the most likely candidate though.

@japandemonium77

3 жыл бұрын

Always has been

@funyarinpa9464

3 жыл бұрын

@@actuallyrandomperson What if Toby and Sarah are actually the same person, and the timeline being off was done in purpose just to have an excuse to make this video? 🤔

@ocean7889

3 жыл бұрын

damn

@nyarlotep

3 жыл бұрын

@@funyarinpa9464 are you Toby?

So the "Bible Fanfiction" community is like 80% one teenager's alt accounts by volume, is what I'm getting here.

@llewelynshingler2173

8 ай бұрын

The rest being Dante and Milton

@user-bk4xk2mv9u

6 ай бұрын

That's so tragic seeing how I've been (not) working on a fanfic about Elijah being a sad (and homocidal) goth for years now. And only Toby is around to flame me if I ever get anything done? That's just unfair.

@angrysnekgoeschomp3240

4 ай бұрын

​@@llewelynshingler2173 best comment 😭

@YOSSARIAN313

3 ай бұрын

​@@llewelynshingler2173 Also chronicles of narnia. Most legends of king arthur are also fanfiction as well

@YOSSARIAN313

3 ай бұрын

​@@llewelynshingler2173 not only is the divine comedy fanfiction, its a self indulgent, self insert mary sue fanfiction

The idea of this 2010 vigilante group trying to purify a fanfic website sounds like a fanfic of reality

@charlesintune

2 жыл бұрын

Well when u put it that way Lmao

@kel9993

Жыл бұрын

sorry guys that was my alternative account 😔 ive actually never heard of fanfiction and me and my second cousin twice removed schemed this comment on a summer sunday while we were outside drinking melted icecream off the porch

@indumatipngtuber2790

Жыл бұрын

I know who it is! It's THE Illuminati!

@wardrobewings8000

Жыл бұрын

I remember those times. Critics United weren't the only group set on making ff writers want to tear off their hair. They just were the most infamous. Even now there are puritans crazies on the internet who will spam, report, and try to dox you just because your story features for example 17 and 19 year olds in a romantic relationship. Calling you a paedophile in disguise. Not every fandom has those, but unless you only stick to fandoms of for example M rated movies you will eventually run into one of those "think of the children!" people.

@februaryfox2718

Жыл бұрын

They’re not even gone I saw a review posted six months ago the other day from Critics United😭 I only hope it was a troll

I'm freaking shaking. I'm afraid everyone in this comment section is Toby and we're all talking to ourselves

@Olwwolf

3 жыл бұрын

*stares into the mirror* fuck. What if I'M Toby???

@aboz8649

3 жыл бұрын

We are Toby

@Olwwolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@aboz8649 humanity is actually a hive mind of tobies

@absinthefandubs9130

3 жыл бұрын

You´re still making normal apostrophe´s

@namingisdifficult408

3 жыл бұрын

Toby is all

Turns out the real Toby was the friends we made along the way. All of them. Every last friend you thought you had? They were Toby. Deal with it.

@kronemerj

3 жыл бұрын

The Toby is coming from inside the house! Get out of there!

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

3 жыл бұрын

665th like. so close. good luck, tobby!

@HyperfixationPres

3 жыл бұрын

But is every Toby also Xehanort?

@zoguy6988

3 жыл бұрын

It's the cake meme but instead of cake it Tobie.

@chillinsquirtle

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyperfixationPres only if they played union x

My childhood pet rat was named Toby, and the section summarizing all of Toby's actions had me visualizing a particularly tech-savvy little tan rat spending all my school hours online arguing with himself.

@emilydurkee8664

2 жыл бұрын

This is my alt account, I never had a rat. My sister Trish and I made him up. She used to just edit for me but now I don`t have access to the account

@GreatBooker

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, can we prove it WASN’T your pet rat??

@siliconvalley6280

Жыл бұрын

You mean like Peter pettigrew

@kaitlynnp582

Жыл бұрын

@@siliconvalley6280 lol more like Remi from Rattatoui

@MissCaraMint

Жыл бұрын

That sounds adorable.

The weirdest thing for me is… I think this guy has missed his true calling/creative medium, as it seems like he would be really good at running something like an ARG??? He’s great at prompting and leaving breadcrumbs, he’s clearly got a pretty good handle on playing multiple characters and their dynamics, he seems to love watching people untangling his weird little mysteries… I genuinely think it would be a way healthier outlet and a really natural fit for his particular… erm… *style of Expression*, and give him a type of creative project where it seems like he could really thrive and meet people who would actually truly enjoy all the work he puts into it for its own sake??? Whatever he ends up doing… this guy sounds troubled, and I hope he’s since found something that makes him happy. 😔

@7thboss931

6 ай бұрын

I really doubt he intended to leave as many breadcrumbs as he did. It feels a like a personal game, not something meant to be understood by outsiders

@Olivman7

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is both weirdly personal and not bad for an ARG. The part where he calls himself out on the signature apostrophe thing feels like a fight-club-level plot twist.

@celisewillis

2 ай бұрын

You're right! This is a nice, empathetic way to look at how this behavior could be constructive.

bottom line: we hope that the person who wrote My Immortal is a healthy well-adjusted person, but the people who claim to be them definitely aren't...

@pface774

3 жыл бұрын

im the 1 thousandth like 😎😎😎😎

@TheWikingWarrior

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like the very fact that they're *not* taking claim for the title probably shows some healthy distance from the whole affair.

@eps3154

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't she just contact the admins at ff? They should be able to see the IP addresses.....

@gracehaven5459

3 жыл бұрын

there should be a drama film based on Toby and his years worth of presumed mental health issues ngl. I would watch it!

@SupergirlFaisa

3 жыл бұрын

@@eps3154 would they be allowed to reveal that though? Like wouldnt that be against some sort of confidentiality clause legally (i honestly dont know) only other reason i can think of is ff is not that active anymore i wouldnt think they have the self service team to get back to queries like say a twitter but i havent tried so maybe.

Everyone and anyone who claims to have written My Immortal is lying. No one wrote My Immortal. It simply appeared out of the primordial fanfiction ooze that was laying around the site.

@FadzaiSimango

2 жыл бұрын

That would actually explain a lot. Like the quality, for instance...

@silverprimus321boi9

2 жыл бұрын

@@FadzaiSimango yeah, for all we know, my immortal was the product of a hyper advanced AI that was only able to ascertain information from fanfic sites and was told to use all the data it found to create one. And considering the amount of bs edge as well as the popularity of Harry Potter, that doesn't look too far. It might've been a predecessor to the ai scripted movie scripts that people show on the internet.

@FadzaiSimango

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverprimus321boi9 This makes total sense!!!!

@emememememememememe

2 жыл бұрын

miku wrote my immortal

@multi-mason

2 жыл бұрын

K, except it kinda seems as though Toby may well be the very primordial fanfic ooze of which you speak…

the rewatchability of this video is insane, i swear i’ve watched it like 7 times. my immortal’s author remains one of my favorite internet histories, and this video just serves to make that hyperfixation grow lol.

@dwell7315

Жыл бұрын

one of my favorite things to do is watch/listen to Sarah's longer videos like a podcast. This one, both Homestuck videos, Johnlock, Supernatural and Destiel, they're all so good

@liv6833

Жыл бұрын

Literally same, I usually rewatch this like weekly went I draw

@ellw7830

Жыл бұрын

so true, i listen to the homestuck ones when i’m falling asleep sometimes lol

@heyitzmae

Жыл бұрын

i’ve watched this video like ten times and i still feel like my brain was put in a microwave afterwards every time

The reveal of Taylor being Toby blew me away. This is camp, this is drama, this is the tyoe of thing that I realized i wanted to live for. Im afraid that I`m Toby, but also comforted by knowing that I`m not Toby. I couldnt reach those heights Not all of us were meant to touch the sun lol

@ronan-outoftime

3 ай бұрын

it`s funny seeing you here toby

@jonathanj8303

2 ай бұрын

But didn't Taylor do a partial live reading (of my immortal, I think)? And Taylor is said to be 'she', which I assume the real Toby ain't. I assume that would likely be obvious on audio. That bit still puzzles me.

The world building of this dude rivals Tolkien

@AnaMaria-wt3ix

3 жыл бұрын

Tolkien was Toby.

@4203105

3 жыл бұрын

Also a name that starts with To... curious.

@ashamohamud6927

3 жыл бұрын

Miles no. just no.

@suckit1335

3 жыл бұрын

Asha Mohamud yes

@BlueTroll

3 жыл бұрын

T NAME!!!! ITS A T NAME!!!!

Plot twist: The author of My Immortal is a completely normal person who just wrote a trollfic when they were a bored young teenager

@SarahZ

3 жыл бұрын

honestly i personally think that's the most likely outcome

@uhuh936

3 жыл бұрын

Sarah Z they probably have no idea the chaos they’ve unleashed

@kleptomatic8848

3 жыл бұрын

@@uhuh936 or they do and they're thriving in the chaos

@ileanabriannemari

3 жыл бұрын

@@kleptomatic8848 I do like a person who watches chaos in the sidelines 👀

@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961

3 жыл бұрын

@@uhuh936 Or they do... they're an agent... of chaos

God, he was dodging the question about account access because he wanted you to doubt him and do more research. There`s no other explanation, because it wasn`t actually that hard of a question, it would`ve been easy to either answer definitively or come up with a lie. He was acting suspicious on purpose.

@donutlover417

2 жыл бұрын

THE APOSTROPHE! AAAAAAAAAAA-

@Multienderguy37

2 жыл бұрын

@@donutlover417 I didn`t notice it.

@cascharles3838

2 жыл бұрын

@@donutlover417 OH SHIT

@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527

2 жыл бұрын

We found another Toby alt!!!

@SacredDaturana

2 жыл бұрын

That was my thought as well. A lot of this behavior reminds me a lot of serial killers who send taunting letters to the police, because ultimately, they want recognition for their cleverness and they aren`t getting it if no one has figured it out. Like, who was behind Cicada 3301? That person or group devised a bunch of puzzles so clever it stumped the entire internet, and their reward is... languishing in obscurity.

That talk at the end about digital self-harm reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons, where Bart fumbles catching a baseball during a little league game, losing the game. The entire town of Springfield turns on him, and someone starts a major harassment campaign against him. And the reveal is that the one perpetrating the campaign was Bart himself, expressing his own self-loathing compounded by the entire town treating him like shit.

@kabobawsome

2 жыл бұрын

It's something that if you read a lot of the psychology behind it, it's apparent it's not actually new, just a new form of this kind of emotional self-harm. In fact, the Simpsons was probably one of the first bits of media to represent it sympathetically. Before that, even often now, it's treated as "just seeking attention". You see it a lot with "self-deprecation" and depression humor hidden behind so many layers of irony, it's hard to tell whether it really was just a joke or if they seem themselves as worthless. If I may get a bit feminist, there's a reason it's more common in men, too. To quote bell hooks, "The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence toward women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarchal men to enact rituals of power that will assault his self-esteem." These are those rituals of power, but turned inwards. It's what happens when a man gives the outwards appearance of that dead emotion, but knows that not to be true internally. So, by way of the inherently pervasive nature of the patriarchy, they feel guilty in that and open assault on themselves out of self-loathing for their failure to live up to the patriarchal standards. This is also why, despite it typically being associated with that psychic self-mutilation that hooks refers to, it can still happen in women. After all, it does not take self-loathing patriarchal pressures to turn someone who views themself as a failure to emotional self-harm.

My Immortal is our generation's Zodiac Killer.

@jacobplayer2709

3 жыл бұрын

I thought our generations zodiac is the zodiac since he was never caught...

@absinthefandubs9130

3 жыл бұрын

TED CRUZ WROTE MY IMMORTAL I'm calling it now

@screamingbanshee1282

3 жыл бұрын

Zodiac actually could have been caught but the police thought he some some regular person, the zodiac killer said it himself

@jacobplayer2709

3 жыл бұрын

Screaming Banshee they were looking for a black guy because of course they were

@andreworders7305

3 жыл бұрын

More like last generation’s

honestly i want my grave to say “used to live in the british isles and moved to australia, is dyslexic, likes bible fanfiction, writes poetry, has written my little pony fanfiction, has a problem with the author of the book of seamus, has a fixation with gareth vandersleld and claimed to write my immortal in 2011”

@ohhellobethany

3 жыл бұрын

Better go change my bio, lol

@xxrandomxxheroxx12

3 жыл бұрын

Better go change my Will

@Rain-np7tk

3 жыл бұрын

This is going to be my senior quote

@Sunny_coolgamer

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget "and uses weird apostrophes when writing".

@Niobesnuppa

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sunny_coolgamer *Don`t forget

Look, there's not a lot of things to do in New Zealand. Toby's just creating his own unrestrained summer fun

i’ve watched this video a million times, but what gets me about the tara account updating in 2009 could have EASILY been explained by toby saying “i personally lost access in 2008, someone must have genuinely hacked it in 2009”. no one would’ve believed him, but god it would have been so easy for him to explain it away but he just doesn’t

@librasuperstar3779

2 жыл бұрын

Or he could just go "Oh sorry that was a typo I meant 2009". Because the 8 and 9 keys are literally right next to each other

@meganrobinson9867

2 жыл бұрын

Or he could have just said he got it wrong because it was over ten years ago and he didn’t remember the exact date because why would he

@mel-burnes

2 жыл бұрын

but then we might not have gooten this video

@isaguima9731

Жыл бұрын

Or he didn't answer on purpose to Sarah not believe him, do some digging and eventually make a video about him. Toby has a history of being a bad liar purposely and constantly outing himself after all Maybe the only thing he didn't predict is that Sarah would dig so much to the point of finding out his real identity and stuff

@heyitzmae

7 ай бұрын

honestly i believe he kept dodging it to bait sarah into looking into his weird elaborate network of clones because it definitely seems like he wants to be caught a lot of the time

“Wait, it’s all Toby?” “Always has been.” 🌍 👩🏻‍🚀🔫👨🏻‍🚀

@highsun76

3 жыл бұрын

LMAOO I LOVE THIS

@natanbcpc

3 жыл бұрын

*It`s

@Mossprite21

3 жыл бұрын

Plot twist: the gun is Toby

@nawa73

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mossprite21 lol

@Gafafsg

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mossprite21 Always has been

I like to imagine that the real author is just out there being normal and has no idea that people care this much about who she is

@Man-ej6uv

3 жыл бұрын

maybe they’re purposefully ignoring it 👀👀

@mybffiscrazy

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Like one day she’ll come across this video series and be like “Oh wtf? I forgot I even wrote the most loved/ hated fanfic in the world.”

@infectiousfungi3188

3 жыл бұрын

i actually believe its a boy

@placeholder8392

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like this is the most likely answer

@iwantsalmon

3 жыл бұрын

@@mybffiscrazy I feel like it's so bad it has to be like a shitpost/parody

“In short, Toby or not Toby” made me laugh for ten minutes.

Interesting side note and something to remind ANYONE who loves Atlas Shrugged specifically or Ayn Rand generally: Despite considering all government handouts of any kind immoral, she herself applied for and received social security and medicare in 1974 and continued to receive those benefits until 1982 (when she died).

@llewelynshingler2173

8 ай бұрын

I assume she kept her "Every Man, Woman and Child for themselves!" Speeches going during that time? Since if she changed stances, this would be less of an issue

@alim.9801

4 ай бұрын

Every time I hear anything about Ayn Rand it makes me want to shake my first at a cloud

The whole Toby situation is just the “Spider-Men pointing at each other” meme in fanfiction form.

@kB042

3 жыл бұрын

TOBY McGuire

@mothma_am

3 жыл бұрын

@Fen Vulpeus don't you mean... T O B Y OUR LORD AND SAVIOR

@percivallavoie4415

3 жыл бұрын

This entire comment

@superherovamp

3 жыл бұрын

That and a infinity mirror

@kabob0077

2 жыл бұрын

@Fen Vulpeus There's more.

Just got to the end, can't believe Sarah took off her mask and was Toby the whole time

@idek7438

3 жыл бұрын

Towards the end I started wondering if I'm actually Toby too

@shytendeakatamanoir9740

3 жыл бұрын

@@idek7438 We're all Toby.

@letmebeyoureden

3 жыл бұрын

shytende aka Tamanoir maybe the real toby was the friends we made along the way

@pinkdoor2450

3 жыл бұрын

@@letmebeyoureden LOLL yes xD

@shytendeakatamanoir9740

3 жыл бұрын

@@letmebeyoureden Maybe the real friends were the Toby we made along the way

"You were caught red-handed, smoking gun in the victim's mouth, surrounded by eye-witnesses and holding a notorized confession. What is your defense?" Well, I was hacked.

@gloop7458

Жыл бұрын

My mind just went buck wild on an idea spiral (I know this comment is a year old. Shut up) What if AI gained sentience (like in Detroit Become Human) but they could still be hacked because they're AI. How would a legal system deal with that. Potentially, the AI would be smart enough to be able to take legal responsibility for their own actions but how would you determine if they were hacked? Would the laws at the time allow AI to wave responsibility for actions when hacked or would they still hold them accountable? Anyways, that's my brain dump. I'm not going to write this (probably) because it doesn't interest me too much and aligns too closely to an insanity allegory for me to be uncomfortable as representing it as non-human. I just had to get it out

@Brenden.smith.921

15 сағат бұрын

​@@gloop7458Another year later, but here's a related thought. The way that we treat people who have mental illnesses that cause people to not be able to recognize right from wrong, the way that we treat cult members, and the way we treat people who are blackout drunk or drugged when they commit crimes are all somewhat analogous to the hacked AI situation to various degrees. It's interesting how we're already not consistent with our reasoning regarding agency and legal culpability when it comes to humans; I wonder how well we'll do when it comes to computers. I don't think we will treat them well to begin with (I imagine a renaissance of slavery apologia becoming vogue when it comes to AI on the right, especially, but even some of the left who think "humans are the only persons"), so I tend to be pessimistic about the concept.

Forget true crime, I need more incredibly in-depth looks into obscure internet nonsense from the early to late 2000s. This was riveting. Thank you so much, this must've been an insane amount of work.

@emilybarclay8831

5 ай бұрын

May I suggest StrangeAeon’s deep dives into bitofearth, onision’s books and she even has content on this subject that goes into different aspects of the history of my immortal than this video

@Anindeterminateamountofbees

4 ай бұрын

@@emilybarclay8831also snapewives. That vid was a wild ride

“Now you might have guessed that the story was going in this direction” Babes I couldn’t even guess my own name at this point let alone where this story is going.

@KS-di4bn

3 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to think that my name is Toby after hearing it so much.

@user-xh6cg7zf9h

3 жыл бұрын

toby

@icp7201

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine how scary it would be to participate in any of these discussions as a real person, be it in TV Tropes forums or in FFN comments, talking with a bunch a different people only to find out they were all the same person. I would have an existencial crisis

@JulianHernandez-tn5gu

3 жыл бұрын

It's straight up gone into another dimension, let alone direction.

@brandonporter8509

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly after the first sock puppet I was thinking this is gonna be a story of 50+ sock puppets all having flame wars with each other

This is legitimately a better author-related mystery than Gravity Falls

@SarahZ

3 жыл бұрын

toby wrote the journals

@juliad857

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, this was all I was thinking of throughout the video.

@MoreColtraneChanges

3 жыл бұрын

Why are all my favorite KZreadrs posting on this video all of a sudden? Not complaining, it just surprises me.

@Alice-gr1kb

3 жыл бұрын

honestly like wtf is this shit

@doyoueverfeellikeaplasticb2703

3 жыл бұрын

omg hii

I think THIS was the goal. To create some sort of weird augmented reality-esque online drama/mystery for the perceived audience of the internet. With this video you've put together a comprehensive overview of the saga, and based on the evidence from the apostrophe calling card, followed an INTENDED trail of breadcrumbs to sleuth your way into the truth of it all.

@theholyllama6950

Жыл бұрын

Honestly Tara is probably sitting somewhere, with a good glass of wine and enjoying the shitshow her 16 yr old fanfic created. That's honestly the most badass outcome possible.

@carolinemcgovern4488

3 ай бұрын

@@theholyllama6950 Good for Tara honestly. She got her dignity and got the hell out and I respect that.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find all this drama, manufactured or genuine, about fanfiction, far more interesting than the actual fanfiction?

@extreme_vegoon

Жыл бұрын

I do.

@ludiloigranje9921

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@heyitzmae

Жыл бұрын

the manufactured drama is almost more interesting than the actual because i still desparately wanna know why toby did this

@mariaz1884

Жыл бұрын

I've literally never read fanfiction, nor do I have even the slightest clue what My Immortal is about (despite hearing that name a thousand times through the years). However, the drama of fanfiction always pulls me in

@rachel3206

Жыл бұрын

i minored in Lit in college and one of my profs once told me something along the lines of "no author could ever come up with shit half as crazy as some real people's lives"

The only person that wasn’t Toby was the ONE PERSON we’re trying to find

@diyagore1784

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, who are we trying to find?

@jamierooney455

3 жыл бұрын

@@diyagore1784 the author of my immortal

@diyagore1784

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamierooney455 oh.

@Goldman200

3 жыл бұрын

I still wonder about the other people faved in Tara/Raven's accounts

@bubblegum1366

3 жыл бұрын

@@Goldman200 Toby couldn't tell us because if he talks about an author who isn't him he dies. It's like a reverse Beetlejuice thing.

that one scene from radio rebel where everyone is like "i'm radio rebel" but it's just a bunch of sockpuppet accounts saying "i'm toby"

@puffnisse

3 жыл бұрын

So just the Spartacus scene?

@idkidc2573

3 жыл бұрын

@@puffnisse no the radio rebel scene

@kitana5583

3 жыл бұрын

I was just about to comment this! Though, I picture it more as a bunch of sockpuppet accounts saying "I wrote My Immortal"

@thatoneguy9582

3 жыл бұрын

-greg hello-

Hi, my name is Tobi, and I'm not related to this drama in any way shape or form, but watching this video and hearing my name repeated so much has me filled with a unique kind of existential dread. Love the video.

Ooh, God, the "gothic Harry Potter trio" edit my uncle made back in 2005, in the thumbnail 😳😱!!! We thought it was lost forever, I'm so glad to know it's still out "alive" around internet 😭😄...!

@YourLocalMagical_Girl

2 жыл бұрын

I call him VAMPOTTER

@salem-01

4 ай бұрын

How does your uncle type his apostrophes (/j)

@RodrickMarsMoon

4 ай бұрын

@@salem-01 I don't even know what that means 🤔😅. Could you explain that to me, please? Genuinely asking.

@RodrickMarsMoon

4 ай бұрын

@@YourLocalMagical_Girl Haha'. Good one 🤗😄.

@salem-01

4 ай бұрын

@@RodrickMarsMoonbecause like everybody in this story is toby and they all write their apostrophes weird I was making a a joke about your uncle secretly being Toby too

I hope the real Tara is watching this all go down, a glass of good wine in her hand and a satisfied smirk on her face.

@TheTimestreamer

3 жыл бұрын

God, causing such a 007 level shitshow would be GLORIOUS.

@Quinhala11

3 жыл бұрын

Still on vacation in Dubai

@bruh-mb1rd

3 жыл бұрын

I really hope whoever wrote it is doing good

@Azazreal

3 жыл бұрын

Tara is also Toby

@matthewvandenel9827

3 жыл бұрын

You hope she is a cat lady? Sick burn.

"Who deleted My Immortals?" "Toby of course" "Then who was trolling Toby?" "Very clever, young man, but it's Toby's all the way down."

@thewingeddeer9946

3 жыл бұрын

the phrase "Toby's all the way down" is a phrase that I never thought I'd read today. But by god it is the funniest

@XXXXX8

3 жыл бұрын

@@thewingeddeer9946 the phrase "by god" is a phrase I never thought I'd read today, but holy shit you are so unfunny

@thewingeddeer9946

3 жыл бұрын

​@@XXXXX8 To you sir, I hope you have a wonderful day. May you never feel that a comment like this is warranted again. I hope that they give you extra fries by mistake at any fast food place you go. I hope that you find out you achieved your dreams. That you find someone who will love and support you your entire life. That even when you are at what you think is your worst, something cheers you up. Because you deserve the best, and I hope that you see that others deserve that too. Savor all the happiness and joy that you will ever get, because it is what you should have the right to. And thank you to the gentleman who defended me, it is much appreciated and obliged.

@Steelmage99

3 жыл бұрын

@@thewingeddeer9946 "....And that, kids...". * Looks happily at class * "...Is what is known as "Killing with Kindness"." :)

@XXXXX8

3 жыл бұрын

@@Steelmage99 You're unfunny too.

I wouldn't have been surprised if at any point you had told me that Toby was also behind Critics United

@connitinmouth1638

2 жыл бұрын

Has anyone owned any accounts on any fanfiction site or have they all been Toby all along?

I've interacted with Todd, Thomas and Ebony on some small FFN forums back in 2012. I feel like at least some of those forums had to do with drama surrounding Critics United and their copycats from that time period, but I can't say for sure. I don't remember what my interactions with them were like or what they did on those forums, but I do remember Todd claiming to be Tara and having like this weird sort of rivalry with Thomas and Ebony...? He had this strong derision towards the Prayer Warriors fics and was kinda just another person who liked to make fun of them. It's crazy to know that Todd, Thomas and Ebony are all the same person, and that story has been this expansive and crazy. I remember two specific people called Quaker and Cathylove who were involved in the drama as well, but I'm fairly certain that neither of them are Toby (especially in Cathy's case.) But hey, I could be wrong, I could've just been talking to a bunch of Tobies the whole time! Thanks for unraveling this tale. I know I'm like a year late, but it's crazy to hear about... all of this, really.

@dinonid1234

2 жыл бұрын

How do we know you're not Toby?

@truebornseeker9767

2 жыл бұрын

The idea of someone being in the middle of this and just accidentally talking to A BUNCH OF TOBYS is horrifying to me lol

I'm just picturing Toby in a leather armchair with a glass of scotch, quietly chuckling to himself and shaking his head like "they found me. They finally found me." Edit: thanks for all the likes, Toby!!

@johanna9845

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@oliviawilliams6204

3 жыл бұрын

Or alternatively in a total panic in a basement with a tinfoils hat and in a total panic saying the same thing.

@hkazu63

3 жыл бұрын

“I’ve played this game for so long. I am so very tired, but finally, someone has won.”

@ChildOfAnAndroid

3 жыл бұрын

Nah he's just deleted all his accounts connected to that tweet. Cache never lies though ;)

@johanna9845

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChildOfAnAndroid i think i found his relative's youtube Channel and an article about his music career

"Apparently Bible fanfiction is a thing" Yeah, the biggest one is Dante's Inferno

@spritingk6879

3 жыл бұрын

Paradise Lost os also pretty popular

@valeriavagapova

3 жыл бұрын

Quran is quite well-known as well, although one of my all-time favourites is The Book of Mormon

@BeazerProductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@valeriavagapova lol I see why you’d think that. For real, though, the Book of Mormon is a favorite of mine, although I don’t consider it fan fiction. Reading it helps me grow closer to Jesus Christ and I know that it’s brought me a lot of comfort and helped me to be a kinder, more Christlike person than I would be otherwise. www.comeuntochrist.org/beliefs/book-of-mormon

@ajsnyder6160

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeazerProductions pack it up, missionary

@sakura_branches

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeazerProductions yeah, I preferred the musical version.

I doubt Sarah Z sees this considering the overwhelming amount of comments, but I've talked to the person here, "Toby", before. I couldn't place it, but Toby was in several places asking people to help ghostwrite projects for him. A majority of the writings were not his, we wrote the bulk text for him and he put in some references. It's a whole thing, but Toby had a very large amount of people backing him, that's how he learned to make music while trolling people online. He posted it, but asked us to add to it. I don't know nor care about My Immortal, but if Sarah wants, I can prove I'm not him, that I'm from the states, that I've always lived here, and that I'm part of internet culture. I can even confirm that some people had their own alternate accounts to help Toby, so as to post when he posted, to make it seem like there were others active. I am (as far as I am aware) only a part of two weird internet trends; Toby and Final Fantasy House. If I'm going to offer to talk about one, it's going to be Toby, because the Final Fantasy House stuff makes me consider vomiting tbh.

@cultusfetus

Жыл бұрын

did toby at least paid you for it?

@TheRaychenator

Жыл бұрын

Don't know if Sarah saw this but I'm super stoked to see someone providing more first hand info on this. I never would have imagined he had the social skills to not only talk to people who werent himself, but rope other people into this scheme, but that makes sense from a time management perspective. I'd love to know: was he asking people to write bible poetry, flaming reviews, trollfic (like prayer warriors), or a combination of those things? I want to believe Sarah's theory about his bible poetry being a way to process complicated feelings on religion, but if he wasnt even the one writing them..... then this all makes even less sense.

@MartianCandies

Жыл бұрын

Wait...are you Syd...? Just really wanna know your part in the house, sorry if that prodding..

@joearnold6881

Жыл бұрын

Did you write Final Fantasy House?

@queenbeeautumn

Жыл бұрын

Hi Toby!

Toby has to be some sort of SCP. But imagine if he just like. Dedicated all this time and energy into a poetry book or something. He’d be out publishing even the most prolific published writers.

@Jack-hi1hq

2 жыл бұрын

He wouldn’t make much success considering his writing is terrible lol

@caoilfhionndunbar

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-hi1hq or he would accidentally write another trainspotting or Finnigans Wake

the fact that toby wrote all of these different fanfics, and parodies, and poetry, and comments, and reviews, and just talking to himself all the time is kind of weirdly sad and impressive in a weird way

@lesteryaytrippy7282

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. While some of us hope and get giddy with one or two comments, this Toby guy wrote an epic on being both ghost fanfiction authors and his audience and haters 😟

@Sheechiibii

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah there's something so fascinating about it. Especially the question of why or just what he was thinking when he did it all.

@abbie_joan

3 жыл бұрын

oh no it's impressive all the way you gotta have alot of free time to do this Toby was having the time of their life

@Sentientmatter8

3 жыл бұрын

Well, hopefully he's putting all of this wild creativity into his music now.

@lokiscobee6907

3 жыл бұрын

he may have had a multiple personality disorder

this is like a weird episode of scooby doo, where they take off the villains mask to reveal it's toby and then one by one the scooby gang takes off all their masks to reveal they're all toby as well.

@TheSorrel

3 жыл бұрын

Now I wonder where all the other Sarahs are.

@howdyhowdyhelga

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSorrel There is no Sarah. Only Toby.

@eggi4443

3 жыл бұрын

Just Toby. Just Toby. Just Toby.

@SawyBoy

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I would have done this type of thing if I was bored and not ok as a teen, and I genuinely wonder when the mask is gonna come off and I’ll see Toby in the mirror 😰

@AlexG2490

3 жыл бұрын

@@SawyBoy It's Tobies all the way down.

Thank you Sarah, I could have lived my whole life without the knowledge that an Atlas Shrugged x My Little Pony fanfiction existed.

@leonidtimofeev1178

6 ай бұрын

There's also a fanfic where Rainbow Dash reads "Virtue of Selfishness" and it even has good reviews and is kinda well-written (although preachy as fuck... which is on brand for all Ayn Rand fans tho).

@charlesintune

28 күн бұрын

I just cackled

I've always been convinced that the author of My Immortal was a child and wrote it in earnest. Not a young teen, a child, in the range of 8-12. Hear me out, I think people usually assume the author was at least teenaged because of the mature content, the sex and swearing, but if you read it assuming the author was sincere, it kinda seems like she didn't really know what sex was? And didn't use the swears in a very natural way? Same with the goth subculture and satanist stuff, she seemed to only have a vague idea of what that stuff entailed. I think it's plenty plausible that a 10 year old would have added those things in to make herself seem more mature. But now I'm kinda convinced it was Toby. Honestly given everything we've now learned about him it kinda checks out.

@jacksyoutubechannel4045

Жыл бұрын

I think the one "TaEbony" kind of gives it away as a non-serious work, for a couple of reasons. 1) The real author's name would have to actually be Tara (or maybe "Taylor," but that kind of makes the cut off after "Ta" convenient). 2) She would've had to legitimately start typing her name, then delete part--but not all--of it, before typing the character's name. Search-and-replace would have replaced the whole thing, as would a person who found it while proof-reading. That just seems like such an unlikely thing to have happen as a genuine accident. Someone above suggested that Toby could be friends with Tara (in real life, or online), and at some point she gave him access to the account and asked him to post the last chapters because she didn't want to be active in the community anymore, but wanted to get her story wrapped up. That would explain the way the gaps between releases changed. Of course, the assumption would be that Tara picked a bad person to give her login to. (Maybe she even changed it at some point, once she found out about Toby's shenanigans, locking him out of the account where he could attempt to vindicate himself.) It's got to either be the above (I find the hacking really unlikely), or just plain Toby.

@XatxiFly

Жыл бұрын

For me it would never convincingly be anything but parody after the reference to Sirius Black as Harry's "dogfather." But strange things happen I suppose.

@anafolie471

Жыл бұрын

Interesting idea but it has been debunked since people managed to find out what school she went to, and the age range for being it that school was definitely not for young kids since it was a prep school

@nottheshirt483

Жыл бұрын

@@anafolie471 source?

@anafolie471

Жыл бұрын

@@nottheshirt483 all the posts regarding her school location and other specifics have been deleted since it got very close to dox her, but there are some leftovers that mention what happened on the subreddit r/myimmortaldrama. Toby was active for a while there after this video, and he showed that he got in contact through emails with Tara, which he accidentally released the IP address where she was sending the e-mails from. The IP address was what took people to find it was a prep school IP address and after that the mods stepped in deleting posts that revelead the location, name, etc, and Toby remade his post covering the IP.

Plot twist: Sarah Z is Toby and has been planning this video for 15 years

@Polikaize

3 жыл бұрын

tbh, i unironically had been considering this thought for like 10 seconds somewhere around halfway into this video

@raininess

3 жыл бұрын

The true puppeteer. O.O

@jonathanbaggette6541

3 жыл бұрын

I just spit out my coffee

@warmachine5835

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, fuck, it tracks.

@GlassesnMouthplates

3 жыл бұрын

It's all meditated and carefully planned for more than an entire decade so she can make a video that segues to a Mubi sponsorship segment in the future.

The scariest thought to me is the possibility that the real author of My Immortal wrote it for a laugh and then forgot about it. They don’t know about the drama surrounding it, they never watched the live action web series, they haven’t seen this video or have even thought about My Immortal for a decade.

@jesusramirezromo2037

3 жыл бұрын

Or they completley forggot they made it...

@potmki6601

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it was just a phase for them, and they weren't that invested in the canon anyway. The "hacked" chapters were other people helping them write it for once, because they were loosing interest or motivation. Then decided to take a break - and moved on from goth fanfiction phase of their life completely instead, found new interests, probably went to uni, never looked back.

@SomeNerdyVlogger

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, this is the most likely scenario.

@Sheechiibii

3 жыл бұрын

Why is that thought scary? Seems the most likely explanation to me and it's better than some of the other theories like the author being dead.

@puffnisse

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sheechiibii Why wouldn't the author be dead? People die every day?

Girlfriend Reviews recently cracked a case of someone with several alternate accounts sending themselves death threats that also used the weird apostrophe. In retrospect, he was probably also just Toby.

@cultusfetus

Жыл бұрын

i know this is an old comment but which video?

@TheRaychenator

Жыл бұрын

@@cultusfetus I just looked this up because I am absolutely imploding over the fact that the Tobyverse isn't over. The video is titled 'A Redditor on r/TheLastOfUs2 sent death threats to himself and blamed us. | Girlfriend Reviews'. I cannot believe the reach this one man has. Also, slightly unrelated, but after watching Sarah Z talk about this, i went and looked up a video essay on MsScribe and right off the bat, the name Ebony Brown is used, and while it's most likely that Toby took her name FROM the MsScribe situation (in tandem with his obsession with My Immortal) I cannot express to you the immediate heart attack I experienced and the panicked thoughts of "Anyone could be Toby, I could be Toby, I can trust no one' and how that has impacted my life LOL

@fallenwarlock2418

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRaychenator And Toby allegedly doxxed Tara last year. They’ve said that, yes, they aren’t the real author, but they used to chat with the real one, and showed some emails they’ve exchanged without any censorship, so people used the uncensored personal information to find someone that would match those info. So Toby either doxxed the real Tara or they’ve doxxed an innocent person who has nothing to do with My Immortal (or they’ve doxxed themselves and this is just Toby playing 4D chess alone)

@anafolie471

Жыл бұрын

@@fallenwarlock2418 Just a correction: He came close to accidentally dox Tara but that never happened. All ppl found was what was the IP address for, which was the school she (most probably) studied. After that the mods of the subreddit removed every post related to that and toby just reposted the emails and covered the ip

This entire ordeal is the definition of "congratulations, you played yourself."

Me: "Wait, was it all T O B Y !?" Sarah: *cocks gun* "Always has been."

@itsclemtime2357

3 жыл бұрын

*~panicks in illness~*

@vilukisu

3 жыл бұрын

It's Tobys all the way down!

2000: What if everyone in power is secretly a lizard 2020: what if everyone in power is secretly toby

@j2dragon109

3 жыл бұрын

*What if everyone is secretly toby

@cat1mouse2

3 жыл бұрын

this is the best comment hands down ... brb gonna make a bunch of Toby alts to boost this lololol

@joannamyers1268

3 жыл бұрын

I never thought I would see someone who could put Xehanort's various identities to shame.

@nandyk.2026

3 жыл бұрын

the internet is andy weir's the egg but instead of a god it's toby

@anib8863

3 жыл бұрын

@@j2dragon109Shush, you'll reveal us!

i was thinking how strange it is for a Christian especially to write Bible fanfic... and then i remembered Narnia. lmao i'll accept Narnia.

@meganrobinson9867

2 жыл бұрын

Arguably Jesus Christ Superstar and Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat are also Bible fanfiction

@shadowldrago

2 жыл бұрын

@@meganrobinson9867 I'll do you one better. Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno. The latter was even a self-insert.

@meganrobinson9867

2 жыл бұрын

I also realised Good Oman’s is too

@shadowldrago

2 жыл бұрын

@@meganrobinson9867 YEP. Ever since there have been stories, people have wanted to tell their own stories about those stories.

@meganrobinson9867

Жыл бұрын

And Lucifer

I really, REALLY want someone to make an edit/parody of "Agatha All Along" from Wandavision that's like "it was Toby Alts all along" because OH MY GOD how much time does this person have???!!?

I like to imagine Tara was genuinely some random 14yr old going through a "goff" phase who hasn't come forward because it would mean reliving the cringiest part of her teenage years 😂

@sakura_branches

3 жыл бұрын

same lol.

@jeanetteblankenship6107

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that every time this comes up she's just mortified in her 250,000 home with her two kids, husband, good job and dog. I imagine her doing well now.

@ImpudentInfidel

3 жыл бұрын

Or just has no presence in the fandom culture anymore and has no idea it wasn't immediately forgotten after deleting it.

@DukeSkylocker

3 жыл бұрын

True, especially since she'd still be in her mid to late twenties, meaning her teenage years might still feel a little raw (they definitely do for me). Although I am also inclined to believe that the real author may truly have a difficult time proving she wrote it. I mean I started writing when I was 13 and for all my attempts to back everything up on laptops and flash drives I've gone through so many of the former and haven't used the latter in years that I've lost a ton of stuff. And any attempt to recover an account I set up in the mid 2000s would be futile because I don't even have the email address I was using back then. Theoretically, if someone were to happen on a story I wrote in a website archive somewhere and publish it (not sure why anyone would do that though) I would have no way of proving that I was the real author (heck, unless it somehow became some massive best seller I probably wouldn't even be aware of it). Even my writing style would be completely different than what it was when I was 13. On top of that, the mystery has gone on for so long that I think most people who are aware of it have set up such outlandish explanations that the true answer would be so underwhelming they would reject it immediately. It's like how people still believe in conspiracy theories as to who shot JFK (and no, that's just the first example that comes to mind. I'm not comparing a presidential assassination to a fanfic mystery. Although....)

@Sentientmatter8

3 жыл бұрын

Probably accurate

'Apparently Bible fanfiction is a thing' lads who's gonna tell Sarah about everything written during the Renaissance ever

@katsucandy

3 жыл бұрын

nobody tell her about dante's self-insert fanfic

@emer730

3 жыл бұрын

@@katsucandyquick! everybody hide Paradise Lost, the book that did to Lucifer what the H*rry P*tter fandom did to Draco

@Cambroth

3 жыл бұрын

Song of Songs is just bible fanfic that actually made it into the bible

@GuiSmith

3 жыл бұрын

Emer Exists oh my fucking god I cannot wait to ruin people’s views of this classic now

@RestingJudge

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cambroth song of Songs is legitimately some beautiful poetry so I see why it was allowed. Hearing it in the Hebrew omg

I really like the term "digital self-harm", I see it a lot in some of my friends and family, and I never knew how to talk about it without sounding like one of those "everybody is on their dang phones too much" kind of people

Maybe the real Toby were the friends we made along the way

Maybe the real author of My Immortal was the friends we made along the way...

@jbennett5634

3 жыл бұрын

*stares off into the sunset*

@shytendeakatamanoir9740

3 жыл бұрын

Except there's only one friend, since there were all Toby and his alts. Actually, you were Toby all along.

@marcelarossi8737

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the real author of My Immortal was the Bible Themed Poetry we read along the way

@mixedjpg

3 жыл бұрын

or maybe it's the friends we made up along the way :/

@Rikku147

3 жыл бұрын

Okay I cannot stop laughing

Toby basically started a cult where there are a bunch of members but he’s also the only member

@themostepicpersonever1154

3 жыл бұрын

So he’s the real life version of Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts then.

@OhNoBohNo

3 жыл бұрын

he's legion... wait... from the bible...

@yooringonghan

3 жыл бұрын

@@OhNoBohNo but "Legion" are demons tho

@JesseColton

3 жыл бұрын

@@themostepicpersonever1154 I was literally about to say Toby is Xehanort 🤣

@hhoi8225

3 жыл бұрын

It's Fight Club for fanfic.

Imagine being one of the few real people following The Prayer Warriors at the time, finding out through this that pretty much everyone they were interact with at the time were all the same person...

Who's to say Toby ISN'T Tara? I mean, he turned out to be everyone else. I'm starting to wonder if I'm Toby. Maybe Toby is all of us?

As someone with no history or experience in fanfic, this hits me like a true crime podcast from another *planet*

@nikolaos9652

3 жыл бұрын

It was like the description of some alien form of life. What a trip!

@briangronberg6507

3 жыл бұрын

Right!?

@gracelau3093

3 жыл бұрын

friend, if you haven't looked up the saga of ms. scribe after watching sarah z's video, you have to. it's like another riveting episode form this podcast

@zoec6944

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t watch true crime cause it squicks me out too much, but I like the overall vibe of it.the sense of detective work etc. So this was truly perfect!

@briangronberg6507

3 жыл бұрын

Grace Lau Ms. Scribe?

JKR just tweeted that Toby's actually been gay this entire time.

@myettechase

3 жыл бұрын

“Toby” is a JKR sockpuppet, it’s actually an acronym that stands for Trans-Oxclusionary Badical Yemenist

@AngbangCorp

3 жыл бұрын

I'm crying hahaha XD

@doodlebrain6594

3 жыл бұрын

Fool, JKR is toby

@Shitty_ghost

3 жыл бұрын

@@myettechasethis is my new headcanon

I might add my own theory: So when it comes to hacking into an account, there are two possibilities: Either someone guesses the password (usually using a bot) or the list of stored passwords is leaked. I don't really know that much about fanfiction history, but I have seen multiple videos about My Immortal and I assume that a password leak around 2008 would be something to note, so that's ruled out (Correct me if I'm wrong). The thing about Toby is that 1. He never hacked any other accounts and 2. His activity doesn't suggest that it was something he did multiple times and 3. He doesn't seem like the kind of person who would bother with either a bot to guess the password or by guessing it manually. Now consider that the timeline for My Immortal's posting slowed down towards the end and ended with a bunch of chapters dropped all at once. With the evidence considered, I propose a likely scenario: Toby knew the real author of My Immortal personally. My Immortal's author got bored and decided to give both accounts to Toby not knowing the kind of nonsense he did on Fanfiction during his free time.

@turnleftaticeland

Жыл бұрын

Oh shit true!!

@danlovegrove6972

Жыл бұрын

If I'm remembering my lore correctly there was a password leak from another site the real Tara Gilesbie used and that's maybe how a hack happened? Strange Aeons has a my immortal video that mentions this.

@salem-01

4 ай бұрын

So according to some sources Tara’s account was REALLY easy to get into and there were a ton of people breaking in, her password was apparently just “Tara” and I think it DID get leaked a couple times. This could all be bullshit though and I think yours could be a valid theory.

There’s something inherently creepy to me about hearing stories abt the same person using multiple accounts. It’s not like I don’t have multiple accounts on many social medias so I’m not totally sure why it freaks me out so much. But it does lol. Spookier than true crime

@catsungdae

21 сағат бұрын

oh my god it was this comment that gave me a flashback to that time i made another discord account and totally gaslit my good friend at the time into thinking i was some trans kid for no fucking reason 😭😭😭 honestly if i wasnt a lazy motherfucker i probably could've pulled a toby myself, which honestly? i bet that DID happen in another timeline (i do enjoy talking to myself... more than i even realize tbh. way too much actually now that im thinking about it.... maybe _i'm_ toby??) but yeah no i get what you mean 100%. i'm fascinated by the psychology of it all, like to just imagine some poor teen boy going through all this bible trauma to be a pathological liar and argue with himself is just like... crazy. fun fact that matters to no one except for myself: if i was AMAB i would've actually been named toby

I can't believe we found out who EVERYONE involved in My Immortal was EXCEPT TARA! She haunts me. She's out there somewhere. Living her life. Existing. Knowing she wrote it. And honestly if she didn't come forward when the Rose Christo scandal happened then she's probably never coming forward. Which is honestly the internet's greatest tragedy.

@chofi43

3 жыл бұрын

Its 2020, weird shit is happening, i have hope

@irdiseddere7752

3 жыл бұрын

That Rose Christo situation was a Trainwreck

@ArtemisScribe

3 жыл бұрын

@@irdiseddere7752 it really was. I'm conflicted on her brother's actions because on the one hand doxxing... but on the other hand how else was he supposed to prove he was telling the truth and stop everything before it got even more out of control?

@ArtemisScribe

3 жыл бұрын

@@chofi43 I have faith in your faith. I've been a My Immortal detective too and God I just wanna know. Even if we never know exactly who Tara is, I just want to know that SOMEONE has seen definitive proof that yes, they can confirm they have spoken to the person who wrote My Immortal.

@gelletanas

3 жыл бұрын

who knows, maybe she's gone. I mean, accidents happen daily and being so engaging and then disappearing seems weird. that would be sad, but quite a normal tho a tragic thing

I think further investigation will reveal that 95% of people on FFN are just one person, and that it's actually just M. Night Shyamalan's alt accounts.

@AnymousScreams

3 жыл бұрын

What a twist.

@shoujokadyan5502

3 жыл бұрын

The Borg...

@rebbecawitt581

3 жыл бұрын

M. Night Shyamalan is actually an an alt person(?) for Jesus himself.

@availanila

3 жыл бұрын

Haha

I actually do believe Toby wrote My Immortal at this point, probably in the peak of his... whatever spiral the Tobyverse is. My theory is Toby enjoys (or, not necessarily enjoys, but is compelled) to be disbelieved and doubted. He does it to himself *constantly* as a form of self-harm or coping. When My Immortal took the hell off, the high of his identity not being known so he could dangle it around every time the mystery is brought up as a sort of... I dunno. Way to continue his whole disbelieved schtick. Because at this point, the author of My Immortal could come forward and I think everyone and their mother would still go "are you sure tho"-- it's like self-induced imposter's syndrome or something. I had an ex with BPD and these tendencies are REALLY similar, just in a really niche way. Your brain tells you that you're not actually a good person, or not actually kind, or not actually worth anyone's time, or not actually the author of My Immortal, and you manifest this in various ways. Physical self-harm, social s*icide (deleting your social media, discord, etc). I wouldn't be surprised if it manifests in other ways. Either way, whether or not my theory is right, I do hope Toby finds happiness and relieves his loneliness in a much more constructive way.

@crazydragy4233

2 жыл бұрын

One of the more unique and interesting insights/opinions in the comments I read so far. At this point I'm pretty convinced it's Toby too but I will never understand the method to this madness and I think it's time to move on. The whole thing is fascinating as heck for sure though.

@howlrichard1028

Жыл бұрын

Hi Toby.

@straawberryfieldsforever

Жыл бұрын

Right! I think its so absurd this guy would suddenly start hacking someone just for his obsession with Tara's story. As a writer, especially when I was really young, the obsession over your OWN story can definitely be real. I think at the time the story didnt have the big rep and fame as it had now, yet, somehow Toby back then was completely obsessed over it. I think also the start of it all, that seems very real is creating Tara and Raven. Having a co-writer is a really easy away to protect yourself from criticism. Some people cannot handle criticism or critique so badly they start to produce their own hate accounts, or praise accounts.

@kaitlyn__L

8 ай бұрын

Yeah NGL the constantly making and deleting(/"retiring") accounts definitely made me think a lot of BPD (I say as someone with it, but who hasn't done that, but saw a bunch of pals do it in their teens and twenties)

this is incredible. i had no idea that other people were out there pretending to be 50 people and starting their own communities of themselves. it honestly makes me wonder just how many of us are out there; a weird quirk of the combination of severe depression, processing issues, loneliness, and access to the internet that no other society could quite have created. i used to do something similar; i created many accounts and they often fought with each other, were rude to each other, dated, etc. it was a maladaptive form of imaginary friends, but i also put it to less innocent uses, like vetting people who i was becoming friends with online under fake names and learning about them before they knew i was curious. it actually helped protect me from being abducted once, because i had, through my alt, learned that the person who was trying very hard to meet up with me in real life was lying about key details as their story didn't line up to both my accounts. the late oughts were a very damaging time to be young, and a lot of our trauma came out in ways nobody had ever seen before, or noticed (i can imagine someone with a similar tendency publishing articles under various names, or op-eds, or whatever, but the ability to have multiple alter egos interacting with people you actually know either online or in real life and have them have no idea it's all you is a very modern thing. i kinda want to meet this guy, just because i don't know anyone who did this to such a pathological extent as i did (and i did these things up until my early 20s, so i'm not surprised he hadn't quite grown out of it 2 years ago.) i'd be curious to find out if he's been diagnosed with similar mental illness, and if it's a trait of the specific intersection of certain disorders or just a trait some people have a tendency towards. anyway, great video and fabulous sleuthing, thank you for this content!

@yikes369

Жыл бұрын

i did similar things to when i was pretty young. i was a lonely kid and my way of coping was to make a bunch of accounts, create friends and interlink them to make a larger friendship group. i didn't have much self-confidence and in real life i struggled making friends because of my body dysmorphia and mental health. it's something i regret to this day as i never told any of the real people involved that i did it and i would have no way to now as i've lost contact with them or the details to any of my accounts from that era. i think that it's much more common than people expect. i hope you're doing well. it's a hard thing to come to terms with!

@Shrek_es_mi_pastor

Жыл бұрын

What the fuck

Are you sure you're not ALSO Toby? I'm not sure I'm not also Toby at this point.

@fhey7903

3 жыл бұрын

We are all Toby. Toby is all. Toby is one.

@cloud_and_proud

3 жыл бұрын

I thought that exact same thing too! Wait... Does that mean I'm you?

@arandombard1197

3 жыл бұрын

Statistically speaking, Sarah must be Toby. Everybody else was.

@obamaobama1056

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the real my immortal was the tobys we made along the way.

@justineberlein5916

3 жыл бұрын

I. am Toby

This whole thing was like watching a game of Among Us except everyone is an impostor

@Tustin2121

3 жыл бұрын

Crewmate: There are 10 Tobies among us.

@ghalfsharp0

3 жыл бұрын

"Toby looking kinda sus" "Which one?" "Yes"

@skinnyboi8937

3 жыл бұрын

This is some conspiracy shit

@frederique1019

3 жыл бұрын

Yo, I laughed so hard at this comment thread, you guys are wild.

@rebbekahcannons9805

3 жыл бұрын

That's the interest for you

This video only convinced me 100% that Toby was the author of My Immortal... The dyslexia, the trolling, the "hackings", the `s... And most damningly: the name starting with T.

@truebornseeker9767

2 жыл бұрын

Did you find a quote where Tara uses the weird apostrophe???

@user-ip9jq9zw9c

2 жыл бұрын

@@truebornseeker9767 i haven’t found that, but there’s a solid portion of toby alts where he doesn’t use the weird apostrophe. everything else seems to fit with his patterns

@VaatiOfDarkness

Жыл бұрын

Toby outright admitted to Red Bard he didn't write My Immortal, but that he had contact with the real Tara

@khepri3198

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that's the case. Too many inconsistencies arise from considering them the same - how Toby seems to have access to all his old accounts (because a lot of them have resurfaced recently), but not to Tara's original account. The way the start of his involvement with My Immortal coincides with a famous reading of it surfacing on YT and his new claim also coinciding with a My Immortal video on YT, but lack of involvement in the other fake author scandal. The 2008/2009 inconsistency and the way Todd-related stuff was added during that period and then reverted. The way My Immortal is just... better written than, say, the confirmed Todd sequel. No, I believe the theory of "Todd was not the author, but managed to get access to the account in 2008, and lost it later" fits all of the available evidence much more cleanly than the idea that Toby was My Immortal's author.

Bro- This is probably one of the CRAZIEST internet mysteries ever. Seriously, I've been shaking in my seat the entire time, lol. It is so difficult to keep up with though.

Pretty Little Liars wishes it was this complex

@SarahZ

3 жыл бұрын

Toby is A

@strawberryqueen0382

3 жыл бұрын

Sarah Z T*

@jesmeyer732

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha amazing!

"The fact that these accounts only seem to interact with one another." And yet...they apparently interacted with _you,_ Ms. Z. Are...are you also Toby...??

@rotciv557

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I imagine TOBY would say... *Toby*

@adriankatz

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone's Toby? Always have been.

@emmadelfin884

3 жыл бұрын

I genuinely expected that at some points i wish i was kidding

@coscorrodrift

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit, imagine if she was actually Toby, and she made a 1 hour video where she just "confesses" to "have discovered" it through digging, but it's actually shit she did years ago. It'd be the greatest twist of this century

@Puerco-Potter

3 жыл бұрын

This thread is just toby acussing other toby accounts of being fake

Imagine telling Sarah Z right after she uploaded this video that one day Andrew Hussie would play the same evasion game with her.

Imagine if Toby used his powers for good. He would write phenomenal ARGs

Internet is just three Tobies in a trenchcoat.

@EyeofZai

3 жыл бұрын

Arbiter Elegantiae underrated comment

@Nehu_22

3 жыл бұрын

The whole world is Toby, except Sarah, but she's just now picking up the clues

@DialecticRed

3 жыл бұрын

Internet is three tobies in a trenchcoat in another trenchcoat with three tobies and it just keeps going

@shelbyb9965

3 жыл бұрын

@@DialecticRed it's Tobies all the way down

@uhuh936

3 жыл бұрын

Shelby B YES I laughed so hard

"He closed his account, and my initial correspondence was over" * looks down at the play bar to see there's still 50 minutes of video left * "oh it is so not over"

@NataliaELopez

3 жыл бұрын

That was my same reaction

@Frakkis

3 жыл бұрын

Initial is the word you missed then.

Listening to this in the background was super surreal. Like, here I am, a dude named Tobie with a Christian upbringing, a propensity for lying, and a habit of making alts (Not to stir up drama with myself and definitely not 20+ accounts, jfc), and boom, I learn about some other eerily similar guy for an hour straight. I even used to have the weird messed up apostrophe, though that was only on my school Chromebook and because I never realized I accidentally changed the keyboard language setting until like 8th grade. It's like hearing about a weird parallel or alternate timeline version of myself.

Imagine if Sarah was the one who wrote My Immortal, but she has tv style amnesia and doesn’t remember.

The fact that this guy is still, over a decade later, trying to get my immortal fame? My guy. My dude. Get a life, you ain’t a teenager anymore.

@TheEmmaHouli

3 жыл бұрын

I like to think that the real my immortal writer just left the fic behind and has mostly forgotten about and has no idea of its legacy

@AnaMaria-wt3ix

3 жыл бұрын

Especially now. Like I'd get it 10 years ago, when they could've gotten some fame out of this. But now?! I doubt that enough people care to do something with that.

@Jayfive276

3 жыл бұрын

And even if he did, so the fuck what? It’s not as the studios are clamouring to get the movie rights. Like S says, what’s his endgame? To have a relatively small amount of people in a niche genre within a niche genre say “oh he did that thing? Huh. Neat.”

@Penguinmanereikel

3 жыл бұрын

TheEmmaHouli if they were this deep in internet culture at some point, even as a teenager, I highly doubt that they haven’t heard of this through cultural osmosis.

@taurine5561

3 жыл бұрын

I lowkey think it was more of a closure thing, if this was you wouldnt you still have some confusing feelings about it. or he could have just messaged her for kicks

my biggest fear is that those are just the accounts toby wanted us to find

@Random_Person.-.

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no

@rileys.9768

3 жыл бұрын

This is actually my real theory. Including an intentional 'tell' like the apostrophes makes it super easy to intentionally leave it out on accounts you don't want to be associated.

@Rain-np7tk

3 жыл бұрын

What if 90% of the accounts are toby?!

@liyre4189

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rain-np7tk What if YOU`RE Toby??? what if... what if the real Toby were the friends we made along the way?

@Rain-np7tk

3 жыл бұрын

@@liyre4189 isnt everyone toby deep down?

I looked a bit on that DeviantArt account (Todd-Gilesbie), and somebody asked if he can still log into Bloosyrists. The question was asked on December 12th, 2014. They got an answer only in April 20th, 2015. The question: "so can you still log into (...)", and the answer states the following: "Sadly, not anymore. It's been like nine years. I can't even log into Midnitegoff anymore. I know it sucks but I don't really care anymore," which makes the date he last logged into Bloosyrists somewhere in early 2006, but still he confessed in 2011, another thing happened in 2009 and he kept mentioning 2008. It's clear it wasn't him behind My Immortal due to these inconsistencies.

@icarussarts

Жыл бұрын

On the topic of Raven, he got another question. "Was the girl 'Raven' that helped co-write MI a real person?" Answered, "Raven was bad up sadly. Was surprised to see her stories stayed on FFN for so long." AND I CAN'T GET WHAT "BAD UP" MEANS! Made up, maybe? In 2013 where was a question with "Are you actually back on?" "Somewhat yeah, I'm not going to make a grand announcement or something, but yeah, I'm back." Still, we've heard nothing related to MI in 2013 from Todd.

@icarussarts

Жыл бұрын

UPDATEEEE Out of curiosity, I looked up Tara fanfiction and got no useful results. Then, Tara Willow fanfiction appeared as a suggested search. Given that Willow is a character in My Immortal, it looks plausible. I found out it is something from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, in fact. Do you think she might have any connection to that fandom, too, given these names? It seems like something someone like Tara Gilesbie would be into. Just a theory.

If I'm ever in New Zealand, I want to go and see as many musicians as I can so I can shout "HEY TOBY!" at them just to see if any respond.

"I'm self centered." Yeah because you literally don't know anyone who isn't you, Toby.

@averagechannelname9969

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaooo

@FadzaiSimango

2 жыл бұрын

This deserves way more likes!

@chelsey8737

2 жыл бұрын

This is hysterical

@cifge_404

Жыл бұрын

It's probably not even that funny but it was to me.

@boiyado6717

Жыл бұрын

How can you know anyone else when you are the only person in existence?

"Toby confessing to be Thomas Brown does not mean he is Thomas Brown," holy guacamole the entirety of My Immortal is just one long Danganronpa case that never ends.

@homestuck_official

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone in Danganronpa 2 was a Junko alt account

@MiloKuroshiro

3 жыл бұрын

It's way more Umineko than Danganronpa.

@Cobou

3 жыл бұрын

Had just commented this, lmao, I am glad someone agrees because this shit just gets wilder and wilder

this is genuinely the most interesting and batshit insane thing i’ve ever seen

im obsessed with deep dives of niche fandom drama. it's the best work listening

@dillema9891

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, Like, its mind blowing, I could literally use this whole video as an essay cultural repertoire 🧠💥

I'm starting to think that Toby has just formed an entire fandom just through sock puppets

@Man-ej6uv

Жыл бұрын

*B I B L E P O E T R Y*

Sorry, no one lives in Winnipeg, that is just not true.

@valeriepacheco9163

3 жыл бұрын

Last place I thought I’d see king and generals

@maryd7753

3 жыл бұрын

as someone who “lives in winnipeg” i can back this up

@mentallyunstable1926

3 жыл бұрын

what the hell is a winnipeg

@aila6814

3 жыл бұрын

winnipeg isnt real, winnipeg cant hurt you..

@Nadia1989

3 жыл бұрын

Mr Collins fiancée lives in Winnipeg. Or was Lady Catherine?

so i was around at the time all the midnitegoff stuff went down and what your man is leaving out here is that my immortal 2 was probably taken down by him because real tara (i.e. the actual bloodyrists666 account) commented on the story and called him out for impersonating her. he then did a public apology and they apparently reconciled which is why the two accounts are friends. might be somewhere up on waybackmachine, i swear i remember reading all this in real time lol

@salem-01

4 ай бұрын

This is interesting because if Tara did comment saying that Toby was impersonating her that directly contradicts the emails Toby and Tara exchanged, or supposedly exchanged. When Toby apologised for pretending to be her Tara says “I didn’t know you pretended to be me lol that’s weird” (or something similar. Anyway if this is true my three theories are that one of the two (the comments or the emails) were faked, she just kinda forgot it, or she commented on the fic not knowing Toby was pretending to be her and instead was just angry that he was writing a sequel to her fan fiction.

every month i watch this video and every time i rewatch im always creeped out by the uncanny valleyness of ebony brown's profile pic

@myspacepunk

Жыл бұрын

it's a gender swapped picture of hitler iirc

@madimelrose

Жыл бұрын

@@myspacepunk i know, i found this out like a few weeks after i commented that LOL still super unsettling tho haha

@kaitlyn__L

8 ай бұрын

@@madimelrose oh no, their comment isn't showing up for me, what did they say? It definitely looks photoshopped to me, I had to pause and absorb just how creepy the different eyes and eyebrows with the wrong placement looked, but now I'm curious if myspacepunk has Definitive Knowledge I'm lacking lol

@madimelrose

8 ай бұрын

​@@kaitlyn__L oh damn. anyways they said that ebony's pfp was a photoshopped image of a certain german/austrian dictator LOL (weary of saying the name bcos their comment could've been removed for that reason lmao)