Imagine unironically having the line "Meanwhile the bimbos are beckoning" in your 'feminist retelling' of Cinderella lmaoo

@Chlo255

10 ай бұрын

The way he said it too 💀

@turnipcrazy4602

10 ай бұрын

Don't you just feel that feminist energy in that one line

@Sootielove

10 ай бұрын

"Yaas queen we're so feminist unlike *those* sluts!"

@Moonhermit-

10 ай бұрын

Not to mention dating the musical even more. The term "thot" has been around for ages. GET WITH THE TIMES, ANDREW YOU OLD FART! WE'RE IN A BRAVE NEW MODERN WORLD OF SL*TSHAMING AND YOU'RE HOLDING BACK YEARS OF PROGRESS!

@clown-cult96

10 ай бұрын

I know right? It’s giving Lore Olympus vibes (derogatory).

I keep getting hung up on Cinderella vandalizing the statue. Sebastian should probably be a bit more upset that his best friend hate crimed a memorial to his dead brother

@SarahZ

10 ай бұрын

It makes it even funnier that the ending reveal is that Prince charming was a pretty nice dude

@joshraid1550

10 ай бұрын

@@SarahZ Like that could have been a great twist if the writers acknowledged that this made Cinderella just as mean and shallow as everyone else, assuming that someone she doesn't even know must be just like the rest of her bullies when in reality he was literally an outcast just like her who had to escape a system he thought would never accept him. But that would require suggesting that maybe Cindy's snarky angry responses to everyone around her are not a good thing.

@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752

10 ай бұрын

21:41 =Or at least drop that shoe at the last minute and have Hee learn that the dudes gay which earned from her a "WTF? What have I done" moment

@flatline42

10 ай бұрын

@@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 Oooh so a take where Cinderella finds out ahead of time that Charming is still alive and keeps it DL because it's her chance to hook up with his brother and the breaking point is when she realizes the scope of her actions and that she's being just as shitty as her stepsisters for an equally pointless motivations? I... kind of like it actually. You might even be able to swap out the fairy godmother with Charming. He'd know, or maybe he *thinks* he knows what his brother would like.

@sharpeningtheaxe

10 ай бұрын

I almost feel like they could have saved it by embracing the “not like other girls” caricature they created and making the whole thing more satirical. Other people have mentioned it, but it really does remind me of the main character from My Immortal. Extremely shallow in characterization, equally vain and concerned with appearance as the “preps” she hates so much, mean and unlikeable and edgy for the sake of it. It would actually make the vandalism of the statue make sense if placed in that context.

It's weird how people criticize Cinderella for being too passive or a "damsel in distress" like bro she's literally an abuse victim

@sunflowersandstorms5608

9 ай бұрын

That is one of the things that concerns me when writing. If a woman is literary powerless in an abusive or toxic situation and someone removes her from that situation, her character is a damsel in distress. Anyone who has come close to that situation knows that outsiders are often the key to getting out. In Cinderella, it makes sense for her to be in the ball. She wants to go and be with people, isolation being a key theme of the story. I personally am not a fan of the "if you are good you will be rewarded" belief in the story (intensified in the more recent Disney adaptation) because everyone deserves to escape a situation like that. Passivity is weaponized in Cinderella's criticism as if she could do anything. She was waiting, as many people in abusive situations are. Waiting for a way out. And that is what the prince was.

@ATM180

8 ай бұрын

As a child and even an adult I find Cinderella to be inspiring. She faces her problems with grace and makes the most of her bad situation.

@westcoast1155

8 ай бұрын

^^^THIS. I recently watched the disney animated Cinderella from the 50s. Obviously some parts were antiquated and/or problematic, but what I found surprising was that even though Cinderella's step-sisters are clearly meant as comic relief, her step-mother's cruelty is played completely straight: subtle, devastating, and so realistic that it actually triggered my c-ptsd. The whole "Cinderella is a bad feminist because she just mopes and waits for a maaaaaan" is such a lazy, bad-faith, mid-2010s #girlboss take on the source material. It's tiresome and I'm glad that we're (slightly) starting to move past it as a culture.

@ezelfrancisco1349

8 ай бұрын

This comment reminded me of when i watched My Happy Marriage A lot of people say that it's basically Cinderella in magical Meiji era Japan. And while that's true, it's also the best spiritual adaptation of Cinderella, because it actually remembers that the FL is in a hopeless abusive family and shows the effects of abuse, even when she leaves it.

@kososka

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, like she deserves someone to take of her for once. Her whole life up to that point has been working and being independent.

Even Disney's Cinderella didn't originally want the prince. She just wanted to dance and have a day off and just happened to find love while she was there (not entirely sure she realized he was even the prince at first?) So turning that into just another love story where Cinderella's motives are entirely about a man is actually a step backwards imo.

@AlexisHiemis

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention she found a way to escape her abusive family for once, which takes a lot of strength to uphold that positive image of yourself and to still believe that actually, you deserve some fun and something better. Cinderella literally grew up being told she was lesser and fought to be her own person.

@QuikVidGuy

9 ай бұрын

Same thing with a lot of Disney stories. Ariel wanted adventure, a change of scenery, and to learn about this mysterious other life right outside her front door. She was FASCINATED by Eric because he was the first human she ever got so physically close to, but she didn't start loving him until after. She always wanted the experience of being a human for a while, and she happened to stumble into Eric. Belle wanted to save her father and demand that this weird recluse in the castle stop being such a jerk to her, and when he made the effort, she started seeing things in him that she liked, and she STILL left to keep her father save from the village. Meg was manipulating Hercules because she was betrayed by a former lover and had no choice but to serve Hades, but HE was the one loyal and kindhearted enough to convince her that her cynicism isn't so true to life. I don't remember much about Aurora, but I do remember that Maleficent first placed her curse because the royal family slighted her politically, excluding her from their daughter's christening while favoring the other fairies. Jasmine was trying to escape from the control of her father. Esmeralda was resisting the genocide of her community. These movies still have problems, but they get boiled down to "woman does everything for a man" because people aren't interested in taking the women's motivations into account. If the romance happens, it get slapped with the "oh they fell in love for no reason" line.

@TheLadyLiddell

9 ай бұрын

@@QuikVidGuy couldn't have said it better myself.

@diamondinmyeye6160

8 ай бұрын

​@@QuikVidGuyAnd Snow White was in a similar position to Cinderella. I kind of understand why people boil her down to being all about love because of her wishing well song, but she's essentially just daydreaming about a better life. Once she avoids death by the huntsman, she gives the prince zero thought. She's not trying to find him; she's not waiting around to be saved. She gets over her fear, picks up her feet, and gets proactive.

@QuikVidGuy

8 ай бұрын

@@diamondinmyeye6160 Oh for sure she wanted something better than the queen, she just happened to get cursed too young

The whole premise of "Cinderella but BAD because she wears punk flannels" feels so overly tame and dated that there's a slightly disturbing, even fairytale-like quality to it. Almost like the entire writing team slipped into a coma in the Clinton-Bush years and was just now allowed to wake up to finish the script

@heatherlee2047

10 ай бұрын

This is so specific and correct

@idontwantahandlethough

10 ай бұрын

holy shit lol. It's still a fairy tale, it's just that it's a "no no it's ok, it's actually still 2003 this was all just a bad dream" fairy tale.

@unrenewable

10 ай бұрын

@@idontwantahandlethough Oh thank God, I was worried I wasn't still a baby for a minute there.

@Saibellus

10 ай бұрын

it feels like a nested doll of fantasy. it was written by writers who are themselves characters in a world where wearing chucks with your prom dress is counterculture.

@Badusername2000

10 ай бұрын

i mean punk is back(it never went away) but its back in the mainstream, so it kinda makes sense

I feel like I would like Bad Cinderella if it was more of an ensemble piece and the songs were more unique and also character specific and the ball was a bit more livelier and a big event everyone has feelings on and participates in and also if they were all cats

@iwakeupandboomimarat

10 ай бұрын

the cats agenda strikes again

@katherinealvarez9216

10 ай бұрын

What if they were unicorns? Or krakens?

@sadwasdead5065

10 ай бұрын

i agree 100% you and me are on the same team, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOOD

@nocty7356

10 ай бұрын

Jellicle Cats even

@youbasictoxicconch

10 ай бұрын

And if they were queens of the night and if they were singing at astronomical heights and if they were handling pieces from the messia-

There's something morbidly hilarious about all these men trying to make "feminist" and "updated" versions of classic female characters and ending up stripping them of all the nuance and character flaws that made them interesting in the first place.

@pippastrelle

4 ай бұрын

These things are so focused on making a 'good version' of the princess that they forget to make them (and every other female character) an actual distinct human being, because nothing makes someone a bad writer like misogyny.

@money4fun-cc5uy

4 ай бұрын

and also just being more misogynistic than whatever they were adapting !!

there's a fine line between the "don't be afraid to be different" message and the "don't be afraid to be different because literally everyone else is stupid and horrible and should be punished."

@anomaliecosmos

5 ай бұрын

Also between "you shouldn't have to change for other people" and "you shouldn't have to show other people basic decency, if they don't 'accept you' for bullying and looking down on them they're the problem". (I was also about to say neither line is quite so fine, but I *could* imagine a more nuanced story just arguably sticking its toe too far rather than hurtling clear over it like Bad did...)

@sporkbun8738

3 ай бұрын

This is basically the problem with most of Tim Burton's works

every flop production should try renaming itself "bad [flop production]" to ride that SEO google wave -R

@SarahZ

10 ай бұрын

Bad Love Never Dies

@VictoriaStarratt

10 ай бұрын

First off *waves at Red & Sarah * and two, that would be hilarious!

@yeszoplusfriends

10 ай бұрын

Ah, getting it before someone can take the "Bad Starbucks" route

@perryh.-r.4419

10 ай бұрын

Adding "bad flop production" to my list of phrases to sing to the tune of "Bad Cinderella." Many thanks for this

@gentleman_muk

10 ай бұрын

Cant wait for bad morbius to release in cinemas near you

If political correctness is stopping Andrew Lloyd Webber from writing more musicals I will die to protect political correctness.

@carolinemcgovern4488

10 ай бұрын

I'm personally going to war on political correctness on the side of political correctness.

@schmiddi5768

10 ай бұрын

It's like Piers Morgan saying he'd kill himself if they cast a trans James Bond. Don't threaten me with a good time buddy.

@wildlylucky

10 ай бұрын

@@schmiddi5768 HE SAID THAT??? omg cast my trans ass as james bond right now

@HassaanZone

10 ай бұрын

@@schmiddi5768 I'm no fan of him, but he didn't say that. It was a tweet from 'FakeShowbizNews'.

@swaanm

10 ай бұрын

I agree but I will make one exception: He is allowed to make Cats 2

I just thought of such an easy fix to make Cinderella more likable in this version. Have her be a street artist whomst the town people think is tacky at best and vandalism at worst. When she "defaces" the new statue the the deceased prince, she's doing it for Sebastian who hates it and thinks the statue is a sanitized version of his brother. Her additions to the statue reflect what her best friend remembers about his brother rather being like "Haha irreverent cause man wear bra". That way you can have it be a rebellious act but still have the main goal be that she wanted to make Sebastian happy.

@maisie9705

9 ай бұрын

this makes so much sense

@gwendolynhoweshowes8113

6 ай бұрын

Having her being an artist would also give her more passion and a thing to like. Plus she could use her street art to try to make the town beautiful in her own way by making murals and stuff only to have her art hated and taken down because her version of beauty isn't accepted. It would be a nice parallel to the beauty standards message they were trying to go for.

@KaelWrit

6 ай бұрын

what if she knew the prince liked to cross dress and felt like the prince was being misgendered or something like that?

Well, I didn't expect Sarah Z to go on a deranged, smutty rant about old woman yuri when I clicked this video, but it sure as hell kept my attention.

@jackalobowaitthisnameistaken

9 ай бұрын

This is literally the only thing I expect from every Sarah Z video

@ShiftySetax

6 ай бұрын

That's....why I'm here.

@vintagedot8350

Ай бұрын

Every comment here is correct and I think that's neat

You just KNOW Andrew Lloyd Webber thought he was the cleverest man in the whole wide world for thinking of that gay prince twist. The idea popped into his mind and he was just so sure he'd get a GLAAD award for this, that the gay community alone would be enough to sustain this show's box office due to this twist. I wanna study his brain in a lab.

@DrawciaGleam02

10 ай бұрын

It's not a bad concept, but it needs more fleshing out.

@Romanticoutlaw

10 ай бұрын

so much of this play feels so calculated and cynical, from that to renaming the production with "bad" in front of it to thwart SEO

@ezelfrancisco1349

10 ай бұрын

Give him a break, the man was stuck in the 80s

@casanovafunkenstein5090

10 ай бұрын

ALW has made his entire career out of repackaging other people's ideas and music in collaboration with people who have the talent necessary to elevate his derivative sludge into something vaguely tolerable while taking all the credit. He doesn't have the capacity to develop something beyond the surface level, it's always been the work of the production team, cast and choreographers (not to mention the musicians that he blatantly plagiarises) that should really be receiving the credit for anything redeemable about the work attributed to him. Oh, and he also likes to take private jets across half the planet so that he can ensure that he makes it down to the house of lords in time to vote against using tax revenue to feed starving children. The man doesn't deserve oxygen.

@lycianempire

10 ай бұрын

Gays in THEATRE? Never! This is a brand new concept!

What this show was obviously missing was a song with either Cinderella or Sebastian singing about how they secretly love the other but don't think they can be together. Such a shame ALW forgot

@fossilfighters101

10 ай бұрын

😔😔😔

@YourWaywardDestiny

10 ай бұрын

I was seriously just thinking that. It would have turned a lot about this around to have a song where either Cinderella or Sebastian sing about their secret love but don't think they can be together.

1:07:00 In The Heights was unironically the most “rebellious” musical on Broadway in recent history. It basically tricked the rich white broadway goers to see a musical about poverty, immigrants, and the unfair landscape that is America . To make them feel more guilty, It took place just a couple miles away from the theatre, and the big lottery prize of 96k that would change every characters life (and that was ultimately split up into multiple cuts and STILL changed their lives) was around their yearly household income (and this is around the low end). A lot of viewers felt like they missed out on witty dialogue because they didn’t understand Spanish, and the bitter-sweet ending that implies the corner will soon be unrecognizable due to gentrification is just another gut punch.

@andieallison6792

8 ай бұрын

"tricked"

@mihnma

8 ай бұрын

And this is why In The Heights is better than Hamilton, spill

@leonineKelter

3 ай бұрын

Yeah. The movie didn't keep the plotlines the same which is disappointing, but I think it definitely did the stage show as much justice as it could and keeps so much of the core messaging just as heavy.

@marchg4114

3 ай бұрын

@@leonineKelterI think so too - even if it messed with the story, the movie In The Heights is a clear example of how to moviefy a musical. It was made by people who knew both mediums and where they overlap and where they don't.

@pillbugm8914

3 ай бұрын

You are vastly overestimating the self awareness that rich white demographic has. They probably did appreciate those aspect without seeing how they play a role in the situation the play prescribes. After all, "haute" art often does center on socioeconomic suffering.

"Legally Blonde is not a theatre masterpiece" You take that back

@Loreboar0

10 ай бұрын

Legally Blonde is a masterpiece, period!

@dirtbagdeacon

10 ай бұрын

I saw a local production and I thought it was delightful and charming!

@cajunguy6502

9 ай бұрын

Its unironically subversive af.

@vainpiers

9 ай бұрын

I prefer it to the film ngl

@Humorless_Wokescold

9 ай бұрын

@@cajunguy6502 no it's not. it's just avenue q. which itself wasn't subversive or anything else other than an above average comedy.

this story really feels like a 'I'm not like other girls' plot, but the reason why her life sucks is not because she dresses weird and different, it's because she just sucks to be around.

@momplspickmeupimscared

9 ай бұрын

Which is EXACTLY the type of self-fullfiling prophecy of most nlog's. You think "ugh no one likes me!" Bc you don't like yourself, then act very msan and push ppl away bc you "don't want their pity!" And therefore actually get disliked by others causing your initial, unreal, irrational worries become reality and now you push them away even more bc they genuinely don't like you and so on and so forth...speaking as a past nlog, I really just needed someone to tell me "you are not as bad as you think you are and you should try befriending people, you are likeable and deserve love :) being 'like other girls' isn't a sin" I would've been 1000x less self-conscious and actually gave it a try and see that I'm not disliked for being different/not as pretty as other girls/etc. But that many don't give 2 fucks about how I present as long as I'm not a dick. This musical was DEFINITIVELY nlog-fuel.

@leahpeachie

9 ай бұрын

That’s so Liz Lemon from 30 Rock coded lol

@GreatBooker

9 ай бұрын

“I’m not like other girls…I’m much worse”

@ahuman5772

9 ай бұрын

@@momplspickmeupimscared I have never met anyone like the "nlogs" you describe, however I met people who are disliked because they're autistic, mentally ill or just weird, and they're not going to have a personality that's appealing to neurotypicals no matter what they do

@momplspickmeupimscared

9 ай бұрын

@ahuman5772 that horrible for them and I feel bad for that but this misses my point entirely which isn't that every person that is disliked by others is so because they are unlikeable but my point is that specifically "I'm Not Like Other Girls" aka NLOG's happen to antagonise themselves out of fear of rejection which leads to social isolation that could've been prevented if the NLOG girl would've been given more encouragement to be social and like herself. What I'm talking about is not a general sentiment about "outcast" but the specific niche of nlog's outcasting themselves.

I think the conclusion I’ve drawn is that Andrew Lloyd Webber is to musical theatre fans as Butch Hartman is to animation fans

@placeholderdoe

9 ай бұрын

Loved by everyone, a bit overrated. And then their insaneness gets revealed and everyone hates them now

@daniexists6

9 ай бұрын

Originally well liked, then people realized they weren't the ones who did their best work, then career suicide followed by extreme backlash so now nobody likes him.

@samlewis6487

9 ай бұрын

Wait, why the heck does this make perfect sense

@emmabloodworth5759

8 ай бұрын

This makes me understand so much better thank you

@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly

8 ай бұрын

which makes it fun and easy to dump on their failure lmao

Here's a fun twist I thought of. What if Cinderella didn't deface the statue, and just lied about it because she's given up on correcting people about her and knows she's going to be blamed no matter what? Suddenly the idea that she's being unfairly treated is very valid because now she's innocent. Maybe the nicer of the two stepsisters could call her out on it with a gossipy curiosity about it, and that would be a hint that she's not actually mean like the other stepsister is, because she's the one person who knows Cindy well enough to realize she's innocent. Or if they don't do that, what if they replaced a statue of the prince with a statue of the king, or maybe a statue of the stepmother, with the stepmom being canonically the most beautiful woman in town and the statue existing to celebrate how beautiful she is. Then defacing the statue actually serves the purpose it's supposed to story-wise.

@thevioletbee5879

9 ай бұрын

Nimona vibes.

@Religion0

9 ай бұрын

It also solves the issue of her defacing the statue of her best friend's dead brother, who we are never given any reason to think is a bad person or brother. If someone defaced a memorial to a dead loved one of mine I don't think I could forgive them ever.

@maybelater2160

9 ай бұрын

Yes, this vs. defacing the statute of her abuser and it being misconstrued as her being catty and jealous. Then it would be a good example as to why she hates the town. They are so shallow that they assume all a women could care about is looks and didn't notice her clearly hurting. Because as it stands everybody seems perfectly content and not even all that toxic. Their way of living has no negative effects on anybody Cindy just seems like they don't like her because she is a cunt.

I'm just so tired of the implication that Cinderella was weak because she wasn't able to do anything to get out of the abusive and manipulative household she lived in. I'm tired of the retellings that seem to be looking down on the original, victim blaming Cinderella because she didn't just "pick herself up by her bootstraps" and girlboss herself out. Asking and receiving help is not a bad thing, and I'm sick of how modern retellings seem to act like Cinderella was weak for doing so. Sorry for the rant, but that was one of the biggest issues that I had with this story, the implication that it's your fault if you're in a bad situation similar to Cinderella's Excuse me while I go listen to "Ten minutes ago."

@nancyjay790

10 ай бұрын

Just a point: in the original Disney animated version of Cinderella, the introductory narration actually says that Cinderella has been abused.

@voltsm_

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. I think a good retelling of the story that I think no one did so far is framing the godmother as just another regular woman that helps CInderella, like the cool aunt that is there for the queer kid that has conservative parents. Like after her stepmother and stepsisters rip apart her dress she was going to use at the ball, she runs to this woman's house saying she didn't know where else to go and the woman could say how brave asking for help is - because it is. Then she could lend a dress and a carriage to Cinderela, etc etc. I think overall themes of solidarity, community and found family are more applicable than ~girlboss~

@StonedHunter

10 ай бұрын

​@@voltsm_I'd watch your version over this mess any day that sounds amazing

@Appletank8

10 ай бұрын

@@voltsm_ I love it, thank you.

@KheldarLars

10 ай бұрын

​@@voltsm_Ever After

This feels like it should have been released in 2008. Also it would've been more popular if released in 2008.

@frauleinfunf

10 ай бұрын

12 year old me would've been all over this show so I concur lol

@Nikkibuh

10 ай бұрын

IT'S FROM 2021???

@Nadia1989

10 ай бұрын

2008? Maybe 2003. Ebony would have listened to this and MCR.

@cjboyo

10 ай бұрын

This show would have been my FAVORITE when I was a kid

@stonks3507

10 ай бұрын

@@Nadia1989I wonder if the My Immortal plot would’ve been different if the author had seen Bad Cinderella

"bad cinderella belongs in a minions movie" I can think of no worse insult.

@peonylarkspur645

7 ай бұрын

i disagree, scarlet overkill from the first minions movie is an icon and a legend and bad cinderella doesn't even deserve to lick her heels

@sylvy16

6 ай бұрын

@@peonylarkspur645yes! scarlett overkill is amazing and such an icon. she’s the best part of that franchise

Repo: the Genetic Opera said more about beauty standards than this and it literally cast Paris Hilton.

The basedness of marxist revolutionary Cinderella aside, *how much better* would it have been for the romance plot? Is there *anything* more YA than 'I'm a badass girlboss running a revolution to depose the prince but also omg he's also my childhood sweetheart and I have feeeeeeelings' ?

@Owesomasaurus

10 ай бұрын

She infiltrates the ball to plant a bomb but after staring at the princes eyes during the dance and he's just so dreamy she has to rush off to cancel the timer at midnight

@LostInNumbers

10 ай бұрын

That's more or less Vin from mistborn...

@yurisei6732

10 ай бұрын

OK but picture this: two people who go to war with each other because they can't agree who's going to be the sub.

@merrittanimation7721

10 ай бұрын

@@LostInNumbersWhy would you say something so controversial yet so true?

@paulgibbon5991

10 ай бұрын

@@yurisei6732 You made me think of the (awesome) anime series "Kaguya: Love Is War", though that's less about submission in the sexual sense and more "two incredibly smart idiots have a crush on each other and try to manipulate the other into confessing first".

I feel like the problem with a lot of these Not-Like-Other-Cinderellas adaptations is male writers who think they're being totally original because they never read any of the hundreds of "more feminist/nuanced take on Cinderella" novels that already exist growing up, because those were For Girls. Seriously, I read so many of them as a kid I remember getting tired of them. They've practically been an entire genre ever since M. M. Kaye's The Ordinary Princess in the fifties. And yet lots of male writers still think they're being original with takes like "what if a princess was spunky and wanted to swordfight" or "what if Cinderella realised life with the prince was super boring," because they never bothered to engage with decades and decades of existing media for girls and don't know/don't care it exists.

@mhawang8204

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, Bad Cinderella was written by Emerald Fennell of Killing Eve and Promising Young Woman fame. It’s hard to say how much influence she had with Lord Andy at the helm, but… 🤷🏻‍♀️

@IAmNotAWoodenDuck

10 ай бұрын

Yes! This is exactly what I thought! Everything I saw about the musical and its marketing felt very cookie cutter not-like-other-girls. We've already seen it, whether it's in a book or a teen movie or an artist online who thinks they're the only one drawing Cinderella as "what if she was actually edgy and had big boobs."

@cjboyo

10 ай бұрын

Omg I just realized that the reason I always think “wow this has been done so many times before by better writers” is because these guys literally haven’t read any of those works.

@jjoshaugh

10 ай бұрын

@@cjboyo Except hes wrong. the writer was a woman who has done a lot of Women's Fiction

@jjoshaugh

10 ай бұрын

@@mhawang8204 Eh, Lloyd Webber is a Music guy, thats what he thinks about. People who have spend time with him say he starts hmming Music out of thin air a lot of the time in he middle of conversations. and some of that winds up in the musical numbers. He tends to leave the dialogue to other people. That's why he was able to do Cats so well, because he could adapt the music to the rhythm that was already in the poems. So, I'm sure she had a fair amount of influence.

This would have done SO WELL in 2003

@NM-jt5lr

5 ай бұрын

Right? The misogyny masquerading as feminism ALONE gives me trauma flashbacks to being a teen in the early 2000s

Your comment about prepz made me think Bad Cinderella was aiming for Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way but didn't want to commit in order to try and keep her relatable.

@jackalobowaitthisnameistaken

9 ай бұрын

Oh my glory someone please tell Andrew Lloyd Webber that the young people view My Immortal as a masterpiece. I want to see an unironic musical adaptation by the man who thought "bimbos are beckoning" was an acceptable line

@tsifirakiehl4250

6 ай бұрын

I would watch the FUCK out of My Immortal: The Musical.

@luthientinuviel3883

3 ай бұрын

The West End production definitely leaned into that more, Cinderella is pretty goth

this is like the third postmortem analysis of bad cinderella i've seen and all i gotta say is: why is so much of mainstream media's idea of feminism and women's empowerment stuck like 10 years behind the rest of us ETA: you guys all have good insight, it just kills me inside that this entire musical is just "stupid girls" by pink but longer and nowhere near as catchy

@robynthethird4776

10 ай бұрын

That's just musical theatre overall.

@adrenalinevan

10 ай бұрын

probably because its made by and for the ultra wealthy who recognise that going deep into criticisms of patriarchy will make you start criticising capitalism

@peonylarkspur645

10 ай бұрын

@@adrenalinevan you make an excellent point

@marocat4749

10 ай бұрын

it sounds ike it could be, way more empowring, or being sensitive.And the guard scenes could hint how closely interested in the guards he was?! almost romantic?! And goddamit instead that problematic elements her and sebastian could have more depth and being friends and then shown close?! and his conflict betwen, can he just be less rude ok and the women not ust want sex, thre isways they could subvert it. Hell have 2 of them dating later in the finale. An instead a ballit coul be a club event ot hiphop dance off?! They could have a performance groupand sshe is the background prop? Could work.

@wubcarp3319

10 ай бұрын

Because it's all written by 50 year old men

the thing Sarah doesn't mention about Webber is that while he had voting power in the house of lords for years he very rarely voted because he doesn't generally live in the UK and the lords are supposed to specifically attend parliament to cast their votes, but he did once fly back to the uk while living in america so that he could vote to lower the benefits of the poorest people in the country

@thebag1981

10 ай бұрын

Came here to save the same thing. That was in 2015, by that time he’d only vote 30 odd times despite being a lord for over 1800 votes. He may have written some good musicals but he’s a grade a dick.

@tempesttossed6029

10 ай бұрын

+

@7Nine7

10 ай бұрын

I hate rich people so much

@minimooster7258

10 ай бұрын

He really is a reprehensible little Tory isnt he?

@picahudsoniaunflocked5426

10 ай бұрын

FACTS. How Baron Lloyd Weeble closed both his Bad Cinderellas on West End + Broadway were likewise really appalling & demonstrated his ghoulish "Villainaire"-$tatu$ in several ways, as well.

The quiet savagery of "unfortunately, she does not die..." kills me every time

As someone who saw Bad Cinderella you nailed it. Yet I will treasure my BAD CINDERELLA Fanny pack forever. Also I have so many questions for Emerald Fennel for being a part of this production and being the writer of the story

@mothcub

10 ай бұрын

Yessss I want to know so much more about her involvement. Like girl why?

@hannahb2306

10 ай бұрын

It’s nuts because generally I like her a lot and she was just in Barbie which was like the anti bad Cinderella so ???

@hurricaneofcats

10 ай бұрын

It feels like Emerald may have written a genuinely interesting first draft/concept of the script and then Lloyd Webber (or someone) swooped in and vetoed her ideas. This whole musical feels like it was entirely written by Lord Andrew himself or like he had most of the creative control. Or maybe this is just me trying to rationalize this whole thing to myself because there's no way this was written by the same person who wrote Promising Young Woman 💀

@castlefactory8682

9 ай бұрын

@@hurricaneofcats that definitely didn’t happen, why are you just making stuff up?

@rubywest5166

9 ай бұрын

@@castlefactory8682 Because it's them trying to rationalise this whole thing to themself because there's no way this was written by the same person who wrote Promising Young Woman 💀

Funny how Into the Woods included the more f**ked up parts of Cinderella tales like the stepsisters heels or toes being chopped off to fit inside the lost shoe. Yet the most "badass" thing Bad Cinderella seems to have is...Beauty Sucks painted on a sculpture.

@createdtogaze

10 ай бұрын

The most badass thing bad Cinderella could muster was homophobia 😔

@snowglobe4784

10 ай бұрын

Barely tangentially related but this reminded me of the version of Cinderella's mom turns into a cow and then her stepmother decides to cook and eat her What the hell was that

@createdtogaze

10 ай бұрын

@@snowglobe4784 hmm I don’t know that version but that reminds me of the Juniper Tree

@snowglobe4784

10 ай бұрын

@@createdtogaze I didn't remember this originally but this is the same version that Sarah mentioned where the stepsisters cut or their toes and heels. It was the serbian version because, ofcourse it was

just when the world needed her most, she appeared

@funployee

10 ай бұрын

we always need her 😭

@fernandozavaletabustos205

10 ай бұрын

*she returnes!

@1207wishes

10 ай бұрын

literally threw my hands up in glee when i saw this video

There could have been an EASY fix to the end: have Cinderella decide to run away after Sebastian has to marry her stepsister and have her run into Prince Charming with his boyfriend and because she speaks her mind all the time, tell him off for making his brother do the same thing Charming wanted to avoid for himself. Then they decide to interrupt the wedding together. It would give her more agency and speed up the end. There was time between the West End and Broadway to do this.

I love thinking about how Sarah Z's production schedule contains: "Okay, i'm all ready to start filming the next video BUT FIRST i need to go out an get a cute drink"

@cajunguy6502

9 ай бұрын

Ive always read it as she talks with her hands when she gets excited or nervous and doesnt want it to be distracting, so she holds a drink helps her keep at least one hand still at a time lol

@bluewilliams4911

7 ай бұрын

And it’s always boba.

I hate the stereotype that all fairytale princesses are nothing but damsels in distress. In most fairytales and their best known retellings, they are shown to be resourceful, kind in the face of adversity and intelligent. The only one you could debate is the most helpless is Sleeping Beauty, and that's because the Disney version leaves out the past where she murders her mother in law for trying to eat her children

@LadyJuse

10 ай бұрын

And even still, the Disney version had the Three Good Faeries as protagonists, carrying the plot and everything

@DrawciaGleam02

10 ай бұрын

Sleeping Beauty's under a sleeping curse, so helplessness makes sense there. If I had to retell that story, I guess I'll have the fairies use a charm that allows people to communicate with Sleeping Beauty even though she's sleeping? That sounds like a way to avoid the "damsel in distress" label.......

@DrawciaGleam02

10 ай бұрын

@@LadyJuse And Maleficent swapped protagonists, which I personally think is a good starting point for a live action remake.

@merrittanimation7721

10 ай бұрын

Maybe Snow White too, at least at the end of the Disney version. Honestly I think the original fairy tale tale counts more since she gets imperiled multiple times in the versions I've read.

@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly

10 ай бұрын

The come into that problem of traditional feminity is bad (and the women who like it are awful) I have seen people talk about how women should not have to wear makeup...then said group starts complaining about women who do wear makeup. 'This princess doesn't want to go shopping or be pretty' has the same mean trace of its bad to wanna go shopping and be pretty.

"Beauty sucks" is the kind of thing I would write on my protest sign on the bus on the way there because I want to hold something but only heard about it the night before and then also overslept.

Honestly, a disabled cinderella would be AMAZING. her step family could be hiding her because they're ableist and "ashamed" of having a "broken" daughter and claim that the forced labor is "repayment" for her "being a burden", her physical/mental issues would explain why she didn't just leave, the fairy godmother could give her the accommodations she needs to go to the ball in addition to the dress (which stepfamily could steal to keep power over cinderella and the prince could give back to cinderella to "free" her), and she could make a speech after the wedding about how she's going to use her position as a royal to help make the kingdom more accessible

I don't really watch musicals and hadn't heard of this one, still this video's title made me instinctively think "Oh nice, so she's covering some old musical." Specifically an old one because the title makes it sound exactly as done to death as Sarah pointed out it is. When she said 2023, I gasped audibly.

@jackalobowaitthisnameistaken

9 ай бұрын

Ashley Norton references a few times in her video that this idea had been done 6 times already in the last two decades.

"She loves her not dead gay son." Heather's reference intentionally or not still a funny sentence

@msf2399

10 ай бұрын

Given how much this channel talks about musicals (and that it’s a full song in the musical adaptation of that): it was very intentional.

'that now classifies as a hate crime' actually made me spit out my water bc holy shit did everyone making this have rocks in their head?

If they wanted a more progressive Cinderella story they honestly just should have adapted Ella Enchanted and updated a few things. Ella is a more tomboyish version of Cinderella but she's actually likeable and you can keep the childhood friend Prince angle. I will not rest until this gets adapted semi-decently into SOMETHING and it would make a great musical!

@cajunguy6502

9 ай бұрын

Ella enchanted has some amazing messaging for young girls. Its easy to say "be yourself and don't let others expectations control it!" But EE captures your attention by given those expectations a name! Society says "youre a plaything and a servant and being a pretty little object is a good thing" while ella enchanted says "thats a curse and you dont need to be stuck with it!"

@icybeverage9276

9 ай бұрын

They *murdered* Ella Enchanted with that movie adaptation. ...But also, a small part of it is just cheesy enough, you know?

@whiteraven181

8 ай бұрын

@@icybeverage9276 The Ella Enchanted movie is a perfect example of something that would be delightfully fun movie-schlock just past the line of "campy" if it wasn't so disappointing. The movie was exactly "fun" enough that the majority of audiences will have a little fond nostalgia for it and no real interest in "re-watching the story with different actors and direction," so the fans of the original work will never get a chance to see a proper adaption because the potential audience would be too small.

@lynnep0906

7 ай бұрын

Came here to say this!! Ella Enchanted the book is exactly what this musical was trying to do, just better in every way….I gave up on a good adaptation ages ago, but the book F*CKS.

“It’s like Sara Bareilles if she wasn’t talented” made me laugh out loud 😂

@mhawang8204

10 ай бұрын

Their entire review is gold. 😂

Supposedly they switched PR teams within the last month of the show which explains some of the wild tweets at the end. My personal favorite was their 420 tweet: "why have high art when you can have high af art?" or their OTHER 420 tweet "today is truly giving a whole new meaning to flying high in the sky."

@SarahZ

10 ай бұрын

BEAUTIFUL

@annabellez8397

10 ай бұрын

gotta love that quied

@Romanticoutlaw

10 ай бұрын

and by "pr team" I assume you mean "stoned unpaid intern"

@honkstheclown8631

10 ай бұрын

​​@@RomanticoutlawNo, PR team.

You and co-writer Emily look so alike every time u mention her it's like Superman thanking Clark Kent for his amazing journalistic work.

Okay but I absolutely love that 6:00 is definetly a reference to Rupaul talking about Dear Evan Hansen and saying "Ben Platt, who played Dear."

I feel like, especially if you want specifically a rebellious Cinderella, in which case you're at least partly doing away with the psychological constraints keeping her in the situation she's in, there should be some serious material constraints instead, rather than having it be something she could literally just walk away from easily. I mean, it's a fairytale - maybe she's been cursed so that she can't leave! Maybe she's enchanted to always do what she's told, and only able to resist by obeying in a roundabout way, and she has to find clever ways around that constraint at various points in the plot? And also, if you're updating it, 'Cinderella' is kind of an unwieldy name, maybe shorten it to 'Ella'? And she's under an 'enchantment' in this version too so you could have a cool alliterative title like, and I'm just putting this out there, 'Ella Enchanted'? Or has that been done already, like for example in 1997, more than 2 entire decades before even the earlier versions of this show

@becauseimafan

10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 I love this, and my inner child is gleeful and says thank you ❤️😁

@fortressnearabridge

9 ай бұрын

You want Ella Enchanted!

@timothymclean

8 ай бұрын

Or if you're trying to be grounded, just borrow some of the ways teenagers are forced to stay with abusive parents. Their lack of legal/financial autonomy is a pretty basic and universal one.

the fact that My Immortal gave us a more compelling narrative about not fitting in really speaks volumes

It's hard to meaningfully critique capitalism in a medium in which people pay hundreds of dollars for tickets, and it's hard to meaningfully critique beauty standards in a medium in which looking pretty is part of the performers' job description.

@yurisei6732

10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure about that. There are a lot of ways to "Look pretty", and a lot of stage performances don't follow the conventional beauty standards that apply in real life. It's hard to say "it's good to be ugly" on a stage, but that's not the only thing that you can challenge about cultural norms surrounding appearance. Punks for example have sought their own idea of aesthetic appeal outside the norms, with their own fashion trends and standards. They didn't just go ugly, they went for a different pretty.

@medes5597

10 ай бұрын

"capitalist realism" is widespread though. Capitalism can subsume anything and monetise it - including anti-capitalist sentiment. Fight Club is the product of a studio system worth hundreds of millions of dollars, yet its an explicitly anti capitalist film that calls the very lifestyle being sold to us by that system empty, lifeless and hollow. I don't mean to compare Bad Cinderella directly to Fight Club but more to point out that if your media is strong enough then the tension between medium and content doesn't matter - if anything, the contradiction can add to it. It feels transgressive to have a piece of media criticise the very thing that it's a part of. I think what doesn't work here is that Bad Cinderella is so obviously a part of the system that any criticism it provides is never going to feel anything other than hollow. It's not that it's hard to criticise capitalism from inside the system - it's that it's hard to criticise anything when you're very much upholding it in every other way

@arareanddifferenttune3130

10 ай бұрын

@@medes5597yes. Agree 100. It is not hypocritical to critique capitalism while participating in it. In fact, we are criticizing capitalism largely because we are forced to participate in it in order to survive. Fab Socialism

@timothymclean

10 ай бұрын

While this is true, I'm not sure it's relevant. The more relevant obstacle is probably that it's hard to meaningfully critique anything if you're throwing that critique in there out of a sense of obligation rather than any particular interest. Which is the sense I get out of _Bad Cinderella,_ whose critique feels less "brushing against the limits of what producers will allow" and more "doesn't understand the problems being criticized at all".

Sarah: "I mean come on, Little Mermaid did this better and came out 33 years ago!" Me, who was born the year Little Mermaid out: *clutching chest* "Oh god oh god oh god."

I have a friend who was in this show, and I was really torn between genuine happiness that she managed to book a role on Broadway at all, and equally genuine second-hand embarrassment that it was this show of all shows

@clemclemclemclemcl

4 ай бұрын

broadway oh my god

“Just Ella” is one of my favorite Cinderella takes. The Cinderella figure resents her abusive step-family, uses her own means to go to the ball to spite her step-sisters (who she calls her step-evils in her head), and agrees to marry Prince Charming as a big middle finger to her stepmother. But she ends up resenting the heavily restrictive life of a princess too. She doesn’t connect with Charming like she expected because he’s actually pretty dumb and mean, and she learns that the ball was basically a big beauty contest. She wasn’t chosen for love, she was chosen to ensure that the prince would have beautiful children. And she gets locked in the dungeon when she tries to call off the wedding. She does ends up escaping, and meets up with the nice young man named Jed who served as her history tutor while at the palace at a refugee camp. He confesses his love for her and proposes, but she tells him that she needs to figure herself out first. And there’s a great line about the difference between running to someone and running away from someone else. She works in the camp as a doctor, learns the meaning of happiness and eventually falls for Jed.

@katherinealvarez9216

10 ай бұрын

Yup, Just Ella is very good.

@msf2399

10 ай бұрын

Oh! I read that, and remember I loved it, but for years I couldn’t remember the title. Thank you!

@mollypocrass4562

10 ай бұрын

Well looks like it’s time for me to reread Just Ella. I also really loved Ella Enchanted (very different than the movie and better, imo)

@hannahb2306

10 ай бұрын

I loved that book when I was a kid

@kreynolds9665

10 ай бұрын

i was a big fan of ever after with drew barrymore. it was such a beautiful adaptation that gave cinderella so much depth as a book lover and commoner who breaks the status quo and not only catches a prince's attention, but makes him listen

"pre-intellectually one can simply perceive it lacks the sauce" has me howling omg

@servenotea5760

10 ай бұрын

I’m 99% sure that was CJ the X, who also has an amazing KZread channel

@42ndadventurer41

9 ай бұрын

that entire section of text was perfection. some top tier roasts in there, "it feels like the weekend at bernies animated corpse of musical theatre" and "bad cinderella belongs in a minions movie"

I love “cringey” musicals and have a super high tolerance for “bad” lyrics and even I think these songs needed to go through a few more drafts. I think lyrics being uninspired and lacking any passion behind them is far worse than lyrics being amateurish or “cringe.”

@lavenderhuman

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. When there’s true emotion behind lyrics you can tell, even if it’s cringey. But nothing? No feelings? Just sucks

@1rockcrawford

9 ай бұрын

Good thing that the lyrics in Bad Cinderella are not only amateurish, but also passionless and uninspired. You can’t make this show seem good in any regard; it’s just bad.

i saw bad cinderella in previews with my college’s theatre group and the audience was dead silent for 90% of the “jokes”, me included. then, somewhere in the second act, one of the stepsisters yelled “yass!” which caused me to snort, swallow that snort, and choke out a “HAH!” that turned the heads of most of the people up where i was sitting. i didn’t even mean to or want to laugh but it was so ridiculous that i just couldn’t hold it in 😭

I wish that Bad Cinderella would have referred to Cinderella not taking her step-mother's and step-sisters' abuse without fighting back. Not being meek and docile and forgiving. She holds a grudge, she isn't polite, she isn't "a good girl" which would have been very subversive. She is still Cinderella, locked into a life of servitude to her family but who isn't submissive to them. She is only rude and disrespectful to her family but over time the townsfolk start looking down on her for being rude and ungrateful to her family who have "taken her in" after her father's death. Cinderella starts rebelling against the town. It could have been a great commentary on having to be a "perfect victim" in order to be believed. The prince could be the only one who truly sees what is going on in her home life and they connect about being the black sheep of their families, with the prince constantly being overlooked by his parents since his brother is the heir. His resentment could grow after his brother's death once he sees how his family suddenly starts treating him differently while still being locked into being the heir now. This could have been such a great dynamic for Cinderella and Sebastian to bond over, being the only ones who see each other's true feelings about their families and their futures.

@IAmNotAWoodenDuck

10 ай бұрын

I would gladly watch this!

@alexander_markovski

10 ай бұрын

unfortunately, that would create a story with a relatable and poignant message, strong characters with believable relationships, and be far too envelope-pushing for Broadway

@graystedious1147

10 ай бұрын

Check out The Glass Slipper from 1955! It has a traditional fairy tale aesthetic, but its Cinderella is rather snarly as a direct result of the abuse she's been put through by both her step-family and the entire kingdom. The Fairy Godmother character recognizes her pain and is kind to her well before the ball, as is the Prince, which helps her begin to heal and become a more open-hearted person.

@yurisei6732

10 ай бұрын

That's a great idea. Cinderella's key characteristic is that she's an abnormally nice person, which puts her in such a bad situation that her only way out is pretty much a literal deus ex machina. A version where Cinderella is an abnormally unpleasant person but in a way that allows her to control her own fate would allow for a story that really contrasts with the original and can provide actually modern takes about the agency of female characters beyond the typical "she's a girl but *gasp* opinionated!" approach to "subversion".

@annamelvina216

10 ай бұрын

​@@yurisei6732I feel like there's lots of ways Cinderella could feel 'stuck' while also not seeming like a doormat. Like, in every version of the story she does at least have a roof over her head and clothes on her back, eats every day, etc. So, if you really showcase that the kingdom has no social safety net and next to zero work opportunities for women, and what does exist doesn't even pay enough to put a roof over your head... I mean, that sounds like reality for a lot of people today anyway. It's more and more common for people to have to move back in with their parents, and what if the only parent you have is an evil stepmother?

I think many problems could have been solved by having the prince and cinderella mention that prince charming would have loved the vandalism of his own statue with a bra etc. That would have immediately added so much more to the relationship between the three and strengthened cinderellas image as misunderstood and not just being a bitch

@SecretAgentNein

10 ай бұрын

YES. Make it about how Cinderella knew the real him and honoured him even though the entire town would condemn her for it, except the one person who matters to her: Sebastian, who would approve of and appreciate the gesture.

@nrnrn999

10 ай бұрын

Amazing how, with one line, you took an edgy, bratty and dislikable character and made them a far more interesting and likable protagonist.

@carolinemcgovern4488

10 ай бұрын

I would even bring it back at the end with Prince Charming completely agreeing with vandalising the statue, even commenting how with the vandalisation it looks even better than the original much to the shock of the townspeople- but of course, Sebastian and Cindy aren't that shocked that he'd approve as they are the people that know the prince best.

@kaemincha

10 ай бұрын

@@nrnrn999 its almost like thinking about a character for more than the length of time to scribble the plot down makes them ever so slightly more likable 😭 ALW really thought he did something here (or maybe he didn't and this was just an unsuccessful cashgrab idk)

@umerrno1978

10 ай бұрын

Prince charming memorial is a butched up idealised gaston idea of him and he ran away because he didn't want to be that, maybe before he leaves people make comments about him and when he's gone it's all oh we miss him so much and cinderella is like you never really liked him

“Buy a second Descendants costume” has to be one of my favorite jokes on this channel, I love it so much

The failure of Bad Cinderella is just cosmic justice for the fact that Phantom of the Opera came out the same year as Into The Woods and scooped up all the awards that rightfully should have been Into The Woods'

@luthientinuviel3883

3 ай бұрын

PREACH

As a black woman, I am so tired of people labeling AAVE as "tiktok speak" and labeling it as this single generation thing. This is how black Americans have been speaking for years and has been appropriated and SEEMS more common because of the ease of access of the internet. Im especially tired of older generations (especially the white men) making it seem like any one who talks like this are dumb and/or shallow

@SarahZ

10 ай бұрын

Yess very good point and I misspoke! What I moreso meant to convey was that the dialogue was an attempt to make fun of how young women are perceived to talk on TikTok- you are absolutely right!

@placeholderdoe

10 ай бұрын

(Asking as a white man here) do you see AAVE becoming a part of general vocabulary for a bunch of people through the internet as a bad thing?(sorry if I worded that badly) I’m asking because I want to know wether to just use the type words used in my environments(online or otherwise) or to be more aware of the types of words I’m saying and to avoid AAVE rooted terms and other similar things. Sorry if this was confusing or disrespectful, I just wanna know so that way I can be respectful and you seemed like a proper party to ask. Have a great day!

@Phobie_2008

10 ай бұрын

As a fellow black person, the slang the Step Sisters use in their dialogue is 100% stemmed from awful TikTok Speak. I’ve never heard anyone that isn’t a Tik Tok freak speak like that. AAVE isn’t at play, here.

@grandempressvicky6387

10 ай бұрын

​@@Phobie_2008i would say that Tiktok speak is a variation of AAVE in that it obviously steals a lot of terms from black Americans but then mixes it in with other Internet lingo and accents (typically californian)

@yurisei6732

10 ай бұрын

@@grandempressvicky6387 But in that sense, AAVE is a variation of American, which is a variation of English, which is a variation of proto-Germanic languages. It's useful to be able to see words and ideas move between dialects, but it's important not to get the dialects mixed up when doing this. "Tik-Tok" speak certainly does draw inspiration from AAVE, but it's not itself AAVE - it draws plenty from other cultures and dialects perceived as "cool" and "not mainstream", too, and opposition to it is not inherently racist - the same things would happen had the last five hundred years of history gone completely differently, because it's not AAVE in particular that's attractive to white kids, it's just any dialect that isn't what their parents speak.

Just for once I would like to see feminist media where a female character says, "I am like other women." There was this quote from a book critiquing Betty Friedan's Feminine Mystique and the gist was that being a woman is such a built up idea that most women view themselves apart from other women in a way that absolutely does not exist for men. I'm so sick and tired of being complimented by being told that I am not like other women. I literally am, there is no way to be so truly unique and you wouldn't want to be. My sisters have achieved some amazing things and I'm proud to be like them! On a second note, I've noted that being polite has been such an axe over women's head that many women find liberation in writing asshole characters which just gets taken by incel men to be justification for why they can treat "modern" women so awfully. We should all be allowed to create what we see fit but we can't because we have to manage what someone with zero braincells might do with it. This rant may have made no sense but I hope some woman reads this and feels some sense of identification.

@verybarebones

10 ай бұрын

If women dont write asshole characters, men will, and incels use them as their strawman. Its preposterous to limit ourselves because of what incels would do with our creations, as if a work of fiction would create them.

@peonylarkspur645

10 ай бұрын

"we should all be allowed to create what we see fit but we can't because we have to manage what someone with zero braincells might do with it" truly encapsulates the struggles of being a marginalized creator

@maudedeux913

10 ай бұрын

wow let me tell you about the barbie movie

@airpilot5233

10 ай бұрын

I think the Buffy The Vampire Slayer film does that in the final fight I want to say. Weird, quirky, and kind of campy film I suggest watching with friends.

@cramp4221

10 ай бұрын

👏 ❤ 👏 ❤ 👏

I feel like it's missing a song about how they secretly love each other but don't think they can be together

As much as people hate DEH, “Does Anybody Have a Map” was the exact song I thought of when you started talking about musical theater speaking to teenagers. Moving across the country as a 16-year-old to a large public high school with no friends left me feeling lost and alone, and listening to musicals, especially that song, helped me feel less alone for a few months until I was able to make friends. Now that I’m older, I look back on the themes of DEH through a more critical lens and will never be able to look at Ben Platt the same way after that god-awful movie, but the original soundtrack still has a special place in my heart ❤

@jodiegarner791

10 ай бұрын

Same, So Big / So Small was very similar to what my mom went through and it makes me cry every time. The emotions of the music resonate much more deeply than the actual plot points

@rosykindbunny1313

9 ай бұрын

I love Anybody Have A Map and honestly all of the songs, but I'm very critical of the story itself

@rosykindbunny1313

9 ай бұрын

​@@jodiegarner791I was ugly sobbing in the theater during that part when I saw it live

@placeholderdoe

9 ай бұрын

I’m really glad you and other repliers found meaning and loved those songs! Don’t let anybody tell you that liking those is “cringe” or whatever. It’s ultimately harmless

@jackalobowaitthisnameistaken

9 ай бұрын

I haven't seen the musical, but I have listened through the whole album and yeah a few of those songs really hit their target. I think if I had seen it as a teen I'd be a vocal defender. "Does Anybody Have a Map" and "Good for You" both do a great job conveying the mothers' confusion and fear, I don't get why those were cut from the movie.

Classically, Cinderella is her stepmother's _slave._ Cinderella is literally "little cinder" - her stepmother gave her bed and room to her own daughters, so she sleeps in the fireplace because it's the only place she can be warm at night.

@notoriouswhitemoth

10 ай бұрын

@@gregoryford2532 it depends on the version, this is an ancient folk story. I'm sure there are versions of the story where the fire was put out and she slept in the embers.

“The girl who bullied me for 4 years in school and is a nurse now.” FELT

@Ironorchids

10 ай бұрын

The mean girl to nurse pipeline is real

@travelingnome87

10 ай бұрын

100%

Also worth knowing that Emerald Fennell, who wrote the playbook, is similar to ALW in that she's from a very wealthy background and has very conservative values, which I think accounts for a lot of the pseudo-feminism in this play. First time she really came across my radar was when she wrote an article defending classism in the acting profession 😂

@blablablubb7623

7 ай бұрын

Wait, what? Where? I want to read her bad takes now

@whatscookingoodlookin1

3 ай бұрын

Same ✋

Okay so here's my pitch to fix Bad Cinderella (as an anarchist): 1. She chooses to go by Cin (pronounced like "sin") because it invokes rebellion while also being her choice. This gets rid of the issue if Cinderella being a pretty wordy name for a more modern character, and also makes her actually feel a bit edgy. 2. Cin tries to encourage townsfolk (ideally throughout the whole musical) to rebel because being trapped into impossible beauty standards is just a tool the monarchy has in place to control them. The townsfolk are largely unresponsive for all the reasons that people usually are about rebellion: not enough people would rebel so the few who do would be further ostracized/executed; Cin doesn't have a better idea than the monarchy; it's the only thing they've ever known; it sounds too difficult; etc etc. This would make her an actual rebel attacking the system rather and perhaps make her see everyone around her as drones doing what they're told (which is obviously not true and perhaps something she could learn over time) 3. Cin must be actually trapped in her situation. It's sort of the whole point of Cinderella lmao. I think it would be good if she were either trapped financially in this kingdom because it's too expensive to move elsewhere and she can't make money due to being an outcast, or she is phsycially trapped because the queen doesn't allow people to leave. Maybe she only doesn't allow 'ugly' (read: nonconforming) people out because she wants to keep up the kingdom's image, or she uses it just as another form of control, or it's so that people won't leave and see how different life could be and thus want to overthrow her. 4. Cin won't accept help from Sebastian in order to leave. Young rebels in particular have a tendency to not want to accept help from people with power because it feels like cheating, and I think that it could be a good wrench to throw into their dynamic. It would also be good for Cin to try persuading Sebastian into leaving with her or helping her take down the system he directly benefits from, but he can't commit because he has responsibilities and can't upset his mother and wants to honor his dead brother's wishes. I think that the big fight for them should happen at the ball in which Cin attends but refuses to dress up, and Sebastian is frustrated because if she just gave in and conformed for a single night then things could maybe work out for them, and Cin is mad and storms out because that would be betraying her morals. (Sidenote: i think that keeping their banter and childhood friends aspect would be necessary and give them the warmth for the audience to like them. It would just be good to contrast it with some fundamental differences between them) 5. Speaking of the dead brother, I think we could keep the twist that he's alive but change it around. I submit that Cin runs into the woods and finds him after storming out of the ball. He ran away and has been living elsewhere (with his boyfriend perhaps, but I don't think that him being gay should be a big deal) and has... I really hate the phrase, but I think the musical would use it so he's 'let himself go.' In his words, he's stopped forcing himself to be everything his mother wanted and has learned that his worth as a person and his ability to be loved doesn't hinge on his conformity to beauty standards. Cin is like "Hell yeah, rise up!" but he is unwilling to help her try to stop the marriage plot because it was a very personal journey for him and he's not ready to share that with people yet. He's finally happy now that he's out of the spotlight, but Cin wants to force him back in? No way. 6. Leaving the brother, Cin now has to understand her own relationship with rebellion. Is she doing it because she wants the spotlight by being different? Or does she actually care about the harm the system is doing to its people? Is she in a way trapped into performing rebellion in the same way everyone else is trapped into beauty? Has she been a false rebel this whole time by being in love with the prince, a symbol of the system she rejects? I think this would be a good time for her fairy godmother to come in, and maybe help show her how people act when she can't usually see them. We could see the second step-sister cracking under pressure once she's alone after hanging out with the first step-sister, and having to vent to herself in the mirror because she doesn't have anyone else who will listen to her. We could see townspeople agonizing over the financial strain of the beauty standards, perhaps juxtaposed by the nobles flaunting new and outrageous accessories or plastic surgeries that they say is necessary now. We could see Sebastian's appearance being completely controlled by his mother for the upcoming wedding and the ensuing argument they have, with Sebastian admitting that he doesn't really get the point of all this and that it isn't how he sees himself, and the queen saying something along the lines of, "But it's how the kingdom must see *you*, if you want to keep them in line." (I think Sebastian should storm out here and afterwards have a song about realizing that Cin was right but that he thinks it's too late for him to make it up to her). 7. The wedding and its lead up. Oh boy. Okay, so I think that after the visit from the fairy godmother and seeing all the stuff she saw, Cin should spend time with her step-sister and all the members of the ensemble that she disregarded or called drones and try to truly understand their struggles and connect with them, and maybe show them that their worth shouldn't depend on beauty because she knows who they are outside of that now. This is the part where she relearns to Fight For People, not just Fight Against, which is something that anarchists and rebels sometimes lose sight of. While she's doing that, I think that Sebastian should be trying to find himself as well and come up with a plan to ruin the wedding himself (even if he won't end up with Cin in the end anyway, because it's the right thing to do) now that he sees it's just another tool of control. This should all lead up to the wedding. I coming up with this as I go, so bear with me. I think that when the wedding finally happens, it should feel empty because very few people decided to show up. Everyone is just in town doing normal people things and have lost interest in the grand displays of wealth and beauty from the monarchy, which frustrates the queen and also renders Sebastian's plan useless because it had hinged on the spectacle of the wedding (no idea what the plan was. I'm not a musical writer). Sebastian, the queen, and the nobility all go out to the town square to see what's happening. It's Cin and all the townspeople burning unnecessary and oppressive symbols of beauty and wealth in a big bonfire, turning them to... cinders, you could say... while making the distinction of "oh well this thing I actually like, it makes me feel better when I wear it" "then keep it! Just wear it for *you* and not for anyone else" etc. The queen freaks out and tries to put out the fire, but is stopped and Sebastian says, "No, look at them. They're all smiling. Isn't that much more beautiful anyway?" The townspeople revolt and threaten to throw the queen into the fire, but I don't think I can get away with that on Broadway so she runs away instead. Sebastian and Cin can finally talk it out, Sebastian is probably dressed like a rebellious guy now anyway to help further the point, and they can finally be together now that there's no expectation for them to conform to the standard of beauty and monarchy. Okay my hands are tired now and I refuse to proofread this. bye

@floannamaria

10 ай бұрын

My version: 1. Cinderella is forced into her working situation with the stepmother and stepsisters not because they are family per se, but because she is not from the kingdom and therefore has no right to work there (maybe stick close to the original, she was adopted by her father with good intentions, but after his death there is no paperwork that makes her a legal member of the kingdom which is exploited by her new guardian). She complies with their increasingly unhinged demands by day, but by night she is the head of a group of rebels in similar situations who try to stir up the seeds of rebellion within the kingdom. 2. One by one their schemes fail to work, and are twisted by the Queen as a PR stunt, condemning the rebels and turning the town against them. The queen further tries to unite the town behind her by hosting a masquerade ball, a chance for anyone who could potentially feel disenfranchised and sympathetic to the rebels a chance to 'live as a royal' for a night, the main lure being that the prince will choose a bride from any one of the woman attending. 3. Seeing the failure of their previous attempts, the rebels come up with a new plan: Cinderella will attend the ball and seduce the prince, lull the family into a false sense of security and attack the system from within. Within the group of rebels there is a woman who used to dress the queen, and who was exiled because she accused the queen's husband (king at the time) of inappropriate behaviour - she is the fairy godmother. She still has some of the queen's jewellery and dresses that she can alter to fit Cinderella 4. Cinderella attends the ball, and gets her chance to dance with the prince. He seems bored and apathetic, but she can't quite conceal her drive for justice and something she says intrigues him. They share a song where his ideals are challenged and he almost seems to be coming around to her way of thinking, but the queen notices something about Cinderella's outfit (a piece of jewellery) that she recognises and begins to ask questions, causing Cinderella to abandon the plot and flee - leaving her social manifesto to be picked up by the prince 5. The prince is angsty, questioning his lifestyle and desperate to find the girl who ran away, he's read the manifesto and wants to find the girl who wrote it. His mother the queen plays along, but she has her suspicions, she too wants to find Cinderella but mainly because she has started to suspect that she may be a part of the growing rebellion within the kingdom. They go from house to house, trying to find the girl, while the prince questions the village girls with references to the manifesto he found (unintentionally sparking ideas of rebellion in them), the queen tries to sneak into rooms to search for clues 6. One of the stepsisters, rifling through Cinderella's things, has found the piece of jewellery that the queen recognised, and decides to wear it to impress the prince. The queen, recognising the jewellery, convinces the prince that this is the girl, despite the fact that she doesn't seem to live up to his memories of the girl he met the other night. The wedding is all set to go ahead, however, the stepsister overhears a conversation between the queen and her advisors making clear the queen's intention to unmask her son's bride as a traitor and subsequently execute her. She reveals that she had taken the jewellery from Cinderella, exposing her as the head of the rebellion, and the queen's forces move to arrest her. 7. While Cinderella is incarcerated, the prince, struggling to reconcile his easy lifestyle and long held ideals that he has the god given right to rule over people with the challenging views of the rebels, sneaks down to her cell to try to get her to further explain why she has been trying to overthrow his family and the system, trying to convince her to apologise and give up the rebellion to live with him as princess. She admits that while she could see herself doing that, and has developed feelings for him, she can't give up, and that she's not just fighting for her. It ends at an impasse, the prince storms off, leaving Cinderella in her cell. However, the prince is then visited by some of Cinderella's fellow conspirators - he admits that he's wrong and they recruit him to the cause. 8. It's the day of execution, Cinderella has refused to repent or give up her fellow rebels. As she is about to be shot, an explosion rings out, and one of the towers of the castle starts to crumble. The prince emerges along with the rebels, and the townspeople that they have been recruiting to their cause, including the women who were accidentally recruited by the prince as he searched for Cinderella by spreading her manifesto. Faced with the turning tide against her, the queen makes a last ditch attempt to force her superiority over her subjects, which backfires completely, only turning more people against her and the monarchy. In a final act of brutality she shoots Cinderella, fatally wounding her. Her and the prince share one final heart-wrenching song where he promises to keep her manifesto alive. We fast-forward, the town is a democracy, famed for it's equal rights, with a day dedicated to celebrating the rebel, Cinderella, as a hero.

@gabydollo

9 ай бұрын

I need you to know how much i enjoyed reading this lol this is so good!! If only!!

@elizabethsullivan1894

9 ай бұрын

I really like this, I think this would be a much better way to fix it.

@TheShadowOfMars

9 ай бұрын

I'll join in. The overall conflict is about the oppressive system of compulsory beauty imposed by the Queen. Therefore the comedy banter between the Queen and the Stepmother is extremely interesting for the lore: both are cunning low-born women who got to where they are by playing the game of the Man's World (one of them more successfully than the other), and who snobbishly look down upon other women who aren't as good at it as they are. The Queen and the Stepmother hate non-posers like Cin because they've learned that the only way to get forward is to pose well; non-beautiful people are losers in the competition for admiration, which is the sole source of success; not wanting to be beautiful is not wanting to succeed, so must be dismissed as self-destructive antisocial madness. That explains why the Queen is imposing this beauty regime on everyone: her life story has taught her that becoming a beautiful princess is how to win, so she thinks the best thing for her sons is to force them into perfect handsome princes. And she thinks making the whole realm into a perfect fairytale kingdom will bring prosperity by winning the admiration of tourists, a national version of how she won individual success by being a perfect beautiful lady who won the admiration of a prince. The Queen, Stepmother and all the other wig-wearing noblewomen should have a big song which articulates this ideology at some point. So Charming and Seb are both desperate to escape this nightmare, but are trapped under their mother's control. They both separately come up with the same idea: elope with their secret commoner lover (No-Lines & Cin, respectively). Charming does it first and fakes his death in the process, leading to the first act of the musical, with the memorial statue. Cin defaces it specifically because she correctly understands that it's propaganda directed at Seb, the Queen's way of tightening her grip on her remaining son by deifying the image of a perfect prince that he's expected to conform to. Cin getting caught and punished with ostracism sadly ruins Seb's plan to elope with her, because now she's a publicly infamous personality so it's impossible to lay low together. The tragedy is then that her over-eagerness to rebel loudly has defeated their hopes of escape, dooming Seb to marry the most beautiful woman at the ball just like his mother wants. The second act is Seb being sad-in-a-cute-way as he's resigned to his fate of playing the role he's been assigned, while Cin hatches a desperate plan to attend the ball in a conventionally-attractive disguise, hoping that nobody will recognise her except Seb and he'll choose her. That plan fails because it's specifically her non-poser-ness that Seb loves about her, and the magic she's used to beautify herself to gain entry to the ball has hidden that part of herself, so she just blends in with all the other posers trying too hard to win his attention. He sings a big song about how he hates this situation and wishes he could be with the person he loves authentically instead of these posers (without the misogynist lyrics that direct that hate at the women), ironically unaware that she's right here among them. He reluctantly chooses the most conventional girl, and Cin goes home singing about how she's not worthy of love; being herself only made things worse, and being what society wants her to be isn't enough. Third act is the wedding and its buildup. At some point it's mentioned that the Queen has been planning this elaborate event for decades, originally intending that Charming would be the bridegroom, and it was timed to occur on Charming's birthday so that he would come of age as King at the same time he married. The less-cruel stepsister inspires Cin to not give up and try to save Seb one last time. Her attempt to sabotage the ceremony is a comic failure and she gets arrested, but she does manage to make just enough of a ruckus that Seb notices and finally gains the courage to stand up to his mother and refuse to play along. Things reach an incredibly tense moment as Seb tries to call things off but the Queen commands him to continue and it looks like she's going to get her way by force.... Then Charming marches in and saves the day by declaring himself King and introducing his very unconventional boyfriend No-Lines (give him a mohawk or something). So the queen gets deposed, Cin gets released, and the non-posers are now all free to be themselves under the benevolent reign of King Charming and Consort No-Lines. And we get to see the queen's worldview thoroughly defeated in the marketplace of ideas when tourists start flocking to the city to enjoy the roaring queer culture that emerges with No-Lines as its mascot. Phew. Still not as revolutionary as we might like, but this version at least centres the systems and ideologies at play in the story.

@oddballgoose409

9 ай бұрын

@@TheShadowOfMars I do really like this version, it feels like the one that would actually be made into a musical lol. The expansion on the step-mother and queen's motives is very well put together. I think the main issue I have with it is that it still relies on Charming coming in at the last second to save the day and remove any consequences for Cin and Seb, which does in a way remove their agency as characters. It makes all of their actions so far kind of meaningless, which is the case in the original musical as well, because their choices wouldn't have mattered in the end as long as Charming comes in anyway to save the day. Maybe that's the point, though? Especially with their comical failures throughout, like Cin at the ball and trying to stop the wedding, or Seb being unable to call off the wedding. But then what kind of message would that be sending? That resisting is pointless and that it's better to just sit and wait for someone stronger to make changes? Hmm. There's much to think about for that. And as much as I'd love to see an explosion of queer culture at the end (as an incredibly queer person myself), I think that since queer culture relies so much on rebellion and defying traditional norms that it would be very hard for those things to coexist with a monarchy that its own mascot directly benefits from. Even if Charming is a benevolent ruler, the monarchy system that allowed and encouraged an oppressive compulsory-beauty system of control to flourish still exists. Would queer culture actually be celebrated? Or would it just be a new set of aesthetics and keywords to keep people from looking too hard at the monarchy, which has total control over people's lives even when the ruler is nice?

I love how unhinged this video got at times. I will think about "WHY DID THEY TWEET THAT?! WHY DID THEY TWEET THAT?!", "I will steal all your Bad Cinderella bootlegs", "Kovu was kinda hot", queen x evil step mother rivals-to-lovers smut, "I support the assassination", and "WE DEMAND BLOOD" for a while now.

@irisaferg2524

10 ай бұрын

"like GIRL, TAKE YOUR COIN AND BUY A SECOND DESCENDANTS COSTUME, THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER!!!"

@XiaoIsMyHusbandBTW

10 ай бұрын

kovu IS HOT, no kinda

Sarah's willingness to show all her most embarrassing tweenage moments for half a million people to see will never fail to impress me

"how much she loves her not-dead gay son" *i see what you did there, and i love it*

I'm 30 and I just saw Six earlier this year and it's fantastic. The actresses have insanely good voices, the costumes are outstanding, and the story was fun and unique. I'm actually hoping to see it again later this year. I don't always think something "aimed at young adults" means it's juvenile. I think what it actually means is that it resonates with something the viewer might have experienced at some point and that makes it come off as extremely well written.

@clairepaffey1727

10 ай бұрын

I've seen Six twice and I'm 31. I saw it originally because I heard the premise of it and had to see how it worked. Also I love the Tudor styles infused with modern clothing, it looks really cool. Both times I went we were surrounded by mostly teens and their parents who were singing along and having the best time. It was great :) And a really good way to pick up some historical facts too.

@minirth.maggie

9 ай бұрын

I saw Six with my 80 year old mother and we both loved it. We had 3 alternates and they KILLED it.

Are there any songs where Cinderella is sad and in love with Sebastian and doesn’t think she can be with him?

Hold on… Are you telling me that Bad Cinderella was… bad?

@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly

10 ай бұрын

Its right up there with spinal tap "Your review for shark sandwich was just one word...shit sandwich"

@placeholderdoe

10 ай бұрын

The double negative actually rolls it back to being good

Something tells me theyre gonna sing a song about how they secretly love each other and they dont think they can be together

Can't believe Sarah talked about the effect of social media on the growing teen musical demographic without mentioning StarKid smh

@GobblyGook

Ай бұрын

I was waiting for her to bring them up the whole video, and was so disappointed when she never did 😔

HER EARRINGS ARE GUILLOTINES OMG. SHES SUCH A SLAY

@heatherlee2047

10 ай бұрын

I just noticed because I read this comment😮

@HannekeDebie

10 ай бұрын

I have been scrolling for 10 minutes for a comment like this. I didn't notice until I was 2/3rd through the video.

Sarah, I just need you to know that you said, “Six, too, is a musical…” and my brain heard “6’2” is a musical…” and I thought I was about to learn there was a musical about a tall person that got popular on tiktok.

@merri-toddwebster2473

10 ай бұрын

It's Hozier and he's 6'6"

@therealVioletParr

10 ай бұрын

Tall Girl: The Musical

@becauseimafan

10 ай бұрын

​@@therealVioletParr THAT is immediately what I thought of, and I was afraid 😳

@samlewis6487

9 ай бұрын

Netflix presents, in association with Andrew Loid Webber, Bad Tall Girl: The musical

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks

9 ай бұрын

You think your life is hard, now? (Don’tcha? Don’tcha?) You think that you’ve been scarred, now? (Don’tcha? Don’tcha?) Well I wear size 13 shoes! (Tall girl! Tall girl!) Meeen’s size 13 shoes! (Tall girl! Tall girl!) Now I’m a high school junior (High school! High school!) I wish I’d known it sooner (High school! High school!) That nobody knows trauma (Tall girl! Tall girl!) Like a six-foot-two aboma- (Nation! Nation!) This rhyme scheme’s gettin hairy (Rhyme scheme! Rhyme scheme) But oof my height is scary (Tall girl! Tall girl!)

of all the 'teen musicals' you named, i think beetlejuice is an interesting case, because it's also an adaptation of a well-worn story. that's a big similarity between it and bad cinderella. but i think the reason beetlejuice the musical works is because the biggest change it makes is giving lydia and charles a more serious emotional throughline. the moments where lydia is being genuine about her pain over her mom and when her and charles make up are my favorite moments of the show (and why 'home' will always be my favorite song from that soundtrack). meanwhile, bad cinderella, if anything, /reduces/ the emotional weight of the original story and the characters. and you pretty quickly discover that a musical is a lot harder to enjoy when you can't connect to any of the emotions the characters are going through. you can't get in your feelings over the ballads because you just don't have an emotional basis to care. when lydia says 'mama, i'm going home', it's a big payoff and makes you happy that she's on her way to recovering from her grief. when bad cinderella is sad over sebastian, it's like...ok, i guess. sounds like a bummer. hang in there, bro.

"I'm at your door. I brought the Pinkertons." This is legitimately the most viscerally threatening thing you could have said to me.

"And he/she sings a song about how much they love each other and don't think they can be together". Each time was such a stab towards the musical. I laughed each time.

I really thought "Bad Cinderella" was a name made up by the public because they didn't like it. To learn that's the real name caught me off guard.

@Sophia-Sews

10 ай бұрын

It's perfect for SEO. you get bad reviews in one version, so when it moves you rename it to bury those reviews and make that Google search "bad Cinderella" that's high on the recommended search work for you.

Shout out to Todd in the Shadows for his excellent performance of bewildered theatre critic, some of his finest work.

@whatscookingoodlookin1

3 ай бұрын

lmao 😂

My grandmother's Cinderella (nan was born in 1901) had up to 5 people in full drag (4 men - Wicked stepmother, two wicked step sisters, fairy godmother, and one woman, as Prince Charming) and the cast would gather round at the end about the Prince and Cinders living happily ever after while the girls embraced and kissed like a tATu video. The reason it probably worked better here in the UK is that we still have a watered down version of Panto.

Glad to see that I’m not the only one who believes that ‘Natasha, Pierre, and The Great Comet of 1812’ was robbed of the Best Musical Award at the Tonys.

@AnUnimpressedCat

10 ай бұрын

It’s been forever and I’m still mad about this 😭

@BrianaMichelleMeyer

10 ай бұрын

I’m still upset

@frauleinfunf

10 ай бұрын

I remember I had a goal of seeing all the best musical nominations for 2017 but never got around to seeing Dear Evan Hansen bc of how impossible tickets were to get, and then I slowly grew less and less interested and by the time movie hit and it closed I found myself really not caring (Having seen the other three shows tho they were all great and deserved to run much longer)

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks

10 ай бұрын

Nobody should ever award Dear Evan Hansen anything, except for “show which actively annoys me more than any other show: the show”

@bloomnights

10 ай бұрын

​@@AnUnimpressedCatim lit still mad about raul esparza not winning the tony for company 2007 😅

Emily, I see you. You're the 21st century, edgy pop-reimagining that video essays need. You're our _bad_ trans co-writer. 💃

@LadyEmilyPresents

10 ай бұрын

Did somebody say my name?

@novelyst

10 ай бұрын

My self-note on Discord has literally been SOCIETY for the longest time, and I am so glad that we live in a society where (I am hopefully correctly assuming) you got that joke into the script. And also great video you two, congrats!

@Lumber_jocks

10 ай бұрын

@@LadyEmilyPresentsI’m screaming

Into the Woods is one of the most musically interesting, message-filled, and well done musicals ever and Stephen Sondheim was an icon. May his memory be a blessing.

The minute I realized I could write about girls liking other girls at the tender age of 12, I set to work writing Gelphie fics, in particular an AU where Wicked & 1985’s Return To Oz (which I had just watched for the first time) shared a continuity and Queen Ozma was actually Elphaba & Glinda’s daughter and she grows up and marries Dorothy and that’s how all the hurt women came together and solved all of Oz’s socio-political problems.

I’m chronically allergic to unironic “not like other girls”

@brushdogart

10 ай бұрын

One of these days "not like other girls" will be an overweight, acne ridden girl who loves bugs and building model trains.

@jaycievictory8461

10 ай бұрын

It's crazy to me that the show's TikTok dialogue actually name-checks and mocks the idea of Pick Me Girls whilst simultaneously and apparently unironically has its lead bang on and on about how she doesn't like things like shopping because she's Not Like Other Girls

@SirWeirdGuy

10 ай бұрын

Oh you dislike girls that don't conform to feminine norms? A lot of guys agree with you on that lmao

this is play can reminds me of the raw sense of the amazon prime version because I hate when people say that they want to rewrite a cinderella as a "girlboss version" or "feminist" which isn't bad but its all corporate feminism and don't understand that like she is a victim of abuse and just wanted to have fun night for once in her life like the 2015 version was really good at adaption of the original while fleshing out the character the most

@DrawciaGleam02

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, the 2015 version explicitly stated Cindy only went to the ball to meet Kit, whom she simply saw as a friend. She didn't even know he was the prince! Frankly, even if Cindy had been unable to attend the ball in the 2015 Disney version she probably still would have been able to develop a relationship with Kit.

The cackle that came out of me when Sarah was AO3ing the stepmom and the queen and then it bleeped. Perfect.

From this description of Bad Cinderella, I can surmise that Matilda might be a better musical depiction of a rebellious girl living outside the status quo and actually fighting against abusive power structures in her life.

Not having finished the video, they could've fixed the plot by having Charming have not faked his death, but the Queen having attempted to kill him for being gay but unknowingly have failed. In this version, she'd rather have a dead son than a gay son (either because of homophobia or her weird Freudian fixation) and Cinderella and Sebastian discover together that he's secretly alive. In this version, vandalising the statue is a plot designed to make the Queen realise that someone in the town knew he was gay, hoping to force her to make a mistake. The plot would be them trying to expose the Queen as a killer in front of the town, so she can be dethroned and the gay Prince Charming can take the throne, leaving Cinderella and Sebastian free to be in love in the world. It could also be made more cohesive by making Sebastian a woman. This way, the two can be in love, but there can be a stronger reason they think they can never be together, and a stronger reason they think the other couldn't possibly love them. In this version, fem!Sebastian's potential suitors aren't ridiculous because they're vapid women; they're ridiculous because they're men who think they can make her straight. In this version, the fairy godmother's gift is that she casts a spell on Cinderella to make her forget her love for fem!Sebastian, preventing Cinderella from confessing and making fem!Sebastian think nobody loves her and she should just marry a man. In this version, Cinderella's stepsister has actually had been a closeted noblewoman and is jealous that Cinderella, who has no obligation to marry, can be out and proud. In the climax of the story, the townspeople prove that they're not so homophobic after all, and that it was largely the image-obsessed nobility concerned about such things, and fem!Sebastian and Cinderella end up staying in the village ruled by the gay Prince Charming. The story's no longer about beauty with Cinderella as not-like-the-other-girls, it's about comphet and society's ability to change.

@greenamber9827

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, a gay character faking their death in order to be with their lover only really makes sense if they live in homophobic society.

Bad Cinderella feels like Divergent in the way that it’s taking a pre-established genre (teen musicals instead of teen dystopian) and reducing it to its base elements where the plot happens to people instead of them effecting the plot. I’m sure there’s a more eloquent way to put it, but I can’t think of it right now

32 minutes in, and I've had this thought bouncing off my head for the last 10 minutes so i wanted to write it out so I can focus: This whole situation and characterization sounds like it would work so much better if we just made it about grief and depression. Make it that whatever Prince Charming (supposedly) died in also killed Cinderella''s dad, and we IMMEDIATELY get a much clearer set of issues and emotional conflicts: - Cinderella is lashing out in grief at the town's vapidity, how everyone has moved on but her, and the town's anger becomes rooted in her depression "harshing the vibe" of the hot town,; -She defaces the statue because it doesn't reference her dad, so she sees it as an erasure of her grief. - Her and Sebastian have bonded and become more emotionally intimate over their shared griefs, which explains why they're both each other's sole confidantes but feel like they would be intruding to introduce their romantic feelings into the mix, -It gives us an opportunity to depict/underscore why Sebastian treats all the women flirting with him at the ball with growing anger and disrespect. -it gives us good reasons to shift at least one sad song apiece from the two leads to be about another form of love and sorrow, HELL, it lets us make the "too late" song's ongoing drudgery into a ping-ponging of "oh god, it's too late AGAIN," with her traumas now bleeding into and feeding off of each other. -It gives us a relatively clean answer to "if she hates the town so much, but can leave at any time, why doesn't she?" And we can have Charming reveal that Cinderella's dad saved his life, prompting him to reevaluate his life and fake his death to be with his love, so that Cinderella can get some kind of closure (whether from some last message only Charming new, a reconstruction of the statue to be of her dad in honor of his sacrifice, or something more complicated and nuanced), PS: Having finished the video, I just want to add that, while focusing the play this way would defang a good number of the revolutionary elements, it would at least bring a greater degree of consistency to the piece, and maybe give us a pseudo-revolutionary idea that a conservative like ALW can get behind, by making it another entry in the well-trod ground of artificiality vs real emotional connection: Sebastian and Cinderella are a good couple because they have been emotionally open with one another, and it is their need to be even more vulnerable and open that holds them back. The queen is superior to the step-mother not because of class, but because she was willing to express her (somewhat obsessive and disturbing) grief for her lost son, putting her closer to the "ideal". The fairy godmother's gifts "don't work" in this version, because that's not how love works. Her real "gift" is that her changes were temporary, and that she holds onto the necklace to give to Sebastian. It's definitely not a perfect re-write, but for like, a second draft, I think it'd be a substantial improvement.

Seussical did a better job at depicting the risks of changing your looks to conform to beauty standards than Bad Cinderella did, and I think that says a lot

@Kitty-the-Bunny

5 ай бұрын

HI SORRY I'M JUST SO EXCITED THAT SOMEONE BESIDES ME IS TALKING ABOUT SEUSSICAL

i love recognizing the voices of other youtubers in my mental illness sphere in these videos and clapping like a manic circus seal. god bless you sarah z

@misteryA555

10 ай бұрын

*points at screen* TODDINTHESHADOWS!

@moshiachgirlie

10 ай бұрын

The Mental Illness cinematic universe

@ashikjaman1940

10 ай бұрын

Mental Illness Sphere is the best way to describe and I will now reject any other possible names for it

@omu6740

10 ай бұрын

i had this vid in the background and i thought it autoplayed a todd video 😭😭😭

This musical would be way more subversive if instead of Cinderella becoming a princess, the Prince renouced his title to be with her and they idk became anarchists

As someone who loves "Company," I'm kinda dying for a full Company analysis and deep dive into its impact on theater.

Not a musical but I think Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris is one of the best Cinderella stories in recent years. I think it gets to the heart of Cinderella in such a lovely way. And the costuming is amazing

"Dragonskin Slippers" is my favorite Cinderella story, not just because Dragons are cool (though that helped), rather because their Cinderella stand-in is looking for something other than love. The ball in that version is an event for seamstresses to find investors for new shops, so we get a strong character motivation. She want to open her own business so she could be financially independent without relying on her family, who are not evil (though their attempt to sacrifice her to a dragon so she can be rescued and married to a noble is sketchy) but selfish and a little dumb. And eventually the stakes grow, though I won't spoil it.

@springshowers4754

10 ай бұрын

I loved the Dragon Slippers series as a kid! Definitely my favorite Cinderella re-imagining, glad someone else enjoyed it too.

@beck2752

10 ай бұрын

Oh! Got a new audiobook to listen to!

@susangarcia338

10 ай бұрын

I remembered reading that book

@jsmountain

10 ай бұрын

Dragon Slipper is so gooooood!

@createdtogaze

10 ай бұрын

Like Cinder from The Lunar Chronicles. The only thing she wanted was her autonomy, bagging a Prince was a happy accident