The Warriors dumping Monta Ellis could have possibly fit here too since Steph was young and always hurt then

@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly

2 ай бұрын

Steph being hurt all the time laid the seeds for the dynasty (iykyk)

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnlyI’ve also heard David Lee getting hurt too. I’ve heard people describe Ellis and Lee as two solid players whose games belonged to the 2000’s and wouldn’t make sense now. (whether that’s accurate or not it’s what I’ve heard)

@kookiehughes8940

2 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513why go off of what you heard and not what you watched or seen for yourself when they were playing?

@ry_an.

2 ай бұрын

@@kookiehughes8940 maybe he wasn’t around to watch their careers… that’s why he said “so I’ve heard”

@bepatientIhaveautism

2 ай бұрын

first thing l thought of as well

Even when Rudy Gay got traded to the Raptors, they ended up having a losing record. When he got traded the next season, Toronto ended up going to the playoffs for the first time since ‘08.

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Is he a player who can’t defend or do much with the ball in his hands?

@croftmire

2 ай бұрын

I’m a huge Gay guy!

@ruhtraeel

2 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 He's just a worse version of Melo Good iso scorer, can't really pass, decent rebounding, mediocre defence

@soob9178

2 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 he was just an offensive blackhole. Inefficient shot-chucker that didn't provide much value aside from making the occasional tough shot. Wasn't a good defender or passer.

@sharkythesharkyy

2 ай бұрын

Gay sucks

The Celtics getting rid of Kyrie was the best thing to happen to them. It allowed Tatum and Brown to flourish. The Grant Hill trade did as well with Ben Wallace. Him getting traded to Detroit caused him to become a formidable defensive force and he was the defensive anchor of Detroit during the early 2000’s. As for Hill if it wasn’t for the injuries, he could’ve lasted a lot longer in Orlando.

One thing I've always liked about that 2018 ECF Game 7 between the Cavaliers and Celtics, is that BEFORE the game started LeBron said "I'm not sitting down at all during this game. I'm staying on the court the ENTIRE time". Then LeBron ACTUALLY ended up playing all 48 minutes and the Cavaliers ended up winning by 8. LeBron would have been DEVESTATED if he lost that game.

@chrisuncleahmad

2 ай бұрын

Nobody wanted Cavs/Warriors Part 4 except for casuals

@brucelau2023

2 ай бұрын

Nobody wanted a CAVS warriors part 4

@whatcolorareyour6championships

2 ай бұрын

True but I think a Warriors Celtics match-up would have been even worse. At least we got that 51 piece from Lebron and a legendary JR Smith moment for eternity@@brucelau2023

@days5516

2 ай бұрын

amiri wth

@XavierBronxHaloFernandez

2 ай бұрын

AMIRI HIP HOP IN ANDY HOOPS COMMENT SECTION?

still remember the grizzlies going to conference finals the year after rudy gay got injured lol, always thought rudy was like a year away from being a star

Also when the Raptors traded Rudy Gay during the 13-14 season they got better and became a playoff contender. Poor Rudy

GS fans were ready to disown the franchise after they traded away Monte Ellis😂😂man was nothing but a empty bucket they went with Steph and won 4 rings

@joel8692

2 ай бұрын

When they went with Steph and drafted green , klay and stacked the bench with good role players

@Scenestate-07

2 ай бұрын

This is an Honorable mention

@Romanus-

2 ай бұрын

Yep Lacob almost got booed outta the arena when they traded for Bogut. Remember the warriors gave their choice of Steph or Monte to the bucks in the trade for Bogut. The bucks took Ellis bc they thought Steph couldn’t stay healthy. The warriors are lucky as hell the bucks didn’t take Curry

Jerry Stackhouse for Richard Hamilton

@Kagemusha08

2 ай бұрын

There's a great one. Given the type of player he was don't think Stackhouse would have ever bought into the team that Larry Brown was building, whereas with Rip he not only bought in but was able to play the best basketball of his life.

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

@@Kagemusha08What kind of player was Stackhouse?

@TheyCallMeSledge

2 ай бұрын

@@fortynights1513 More offense than defense. His defense wasn't overall terrible but Larry Brown's defensive system in Detroit would've had him sacrifice his preference for offense and Jerry wasn't with it, hence him being traded to Washington in exchange for Rip.

@marcusgilmore5211

3 күн бұрын

@@TheyCallMeSledge that was a Jordan idea remember Jerry’s last year with the Pistons he kind of put up really good numbers and always thought it was a bad idea that Jordan traded away Richard…

How could you forgot about joe johnson. After the hawks get rid of him, hawks became number 1 in the east

@DanMarin-lf7fe

2 ай бұрын

Didn't they completely overhaul their roster tho

@Panther016

2 ай бұрын

That was 3 seasons after JJ left. They had 2 mediocre seasons without him

@suiken3149

2 ай бұрын

Horford was arguably their best player. Joe is the much better scorer but Al was the anchor of the team

@westbrick6393

2 ай бұрын

It was fluke

To be fair, the title really should’ve been called “stars that DIDNT their own teams” But I digress . Kyrie Irving never really cared about Boston or even in Brooklyn for that matter , it’s a shame but that’s how he was

@cuhgaming4943

2 ай бұрын

to be fair, the team still got better after Kyrie left

The 2004 Pistons were the unwanted who became champions. The best surprise for me made me a fan of the said group.

@relicdad88

2 ай бұрын

Yea man loved watching those guys play defense still got 2k5 for ps2. pistons pacers Lakers n spurs loved those teams from that time. But wasn't big Ben like 6 9 or 6 10 in video he said 6 7. either way dude was beast

@relicdad88

2 ай бұрын

Yea man loved watching those guys play defense still got 2k5 for ps2. pistons pacers Lakers n spurs loved those teams from that time. But wasn't big Ben like 6 9 or 6 10 in video he said 6 7. either way dude was beast

Great video Andy!! Thanks!! Appreciate it!!

Starts 2:04

@goon987

2 ай бұрын

thanks man

I don't want to beat up on Rudy gay but the same thing happened twice. The raptors started their run after he was traded away.

Rudy gay on the grizzlies should have worked he just didn’t take the time to realize he was the 3rd best player because Zach and Marc passed him

⠀ A good example for this team's best player was the trade for Ben Wallace And Rip Hamilton . Detroit might be lucky to have big Ben than having jerry and grant. Although another example goes to Bledsoe , he's their third best player on the bucks but dude has some bad playoffs experience. So with the addition from Jrue Holiday And other key role players , they won the 2021 finals ! would love to appreciate the video Andy !

@Kagemusha08

2 ай бұрын

That Detroit team was so special. Not sure too many GMs/coaches would have traded what they did for guys like Ben and Rip or given Chauncey, who had already been on about a half dozen teams, a chance. Everyone on that starting squad had a chip on their shoulder from getting overlooked and bought into what Larry Brown was trying to build.

@TBCLINQ

2 ай бұрын

the biggest overshadowed moment might be the addition of drafting darko , had it not been with that mistake , they could've gotten Melo or wade .

That OKC trade is legendary

Love these vids

them yellow and green grizzlies unis were always my fav🤩

Zach LaVine might be the most recent example this year.

@comicthecon

2 ай бұрын

He’s never been better than Derozan tho

@ryanamburgy2791

Ай бұрын

Also Sengun

Doc Rivers every year

@deplorableaussie6749

2 ай бұрын

U WIN THE COMMENTS SECTION

I like the new logo!

Just one more reason why Sam Presti should be recognized as one of the best GMs in NBA history

@LiverpoolRubi

2 ай бұрын

Westbrook was very very overrated and Sam presti was right for mortgaging their future

@MrSnuggieMaple

2 ай бұрын

@@LiverpoolRubi uh

@RunHotsauce

2 ай бұрын

Westbrook was not overrated

@TheyCallMeSledge

2 ай бұрын

@@RunHotsauce Granted, Westbrook is not overrated but at the same time, he just wasn't THE GUY. Then again, how could anyone even hope to fill the shoes of a generational talent like Kevin Durant?

@kritav1111

2 ай бұрын

​@@LiverpoolRubiWestbrook is most definitely overrated. He is probably among the most overhated players ever. PG13 was literally getting injured every single playoffs wearing shoulder braces and not being able to shoot properly. Westbrooks shooting had declined a bit. He's had way more success than CP3. Lebron is the overrated one.

Grant Hill is a little unfair, his best co-star during the 90s was old Joe Dumars and that ankle injury ruined any chance the Magic had to become anything. If he had stayed healthy and there still was a way to pair him with Ben Wallace in Detroit, that team might have had the extra scoring punch needed to be a full fledge dynasty.

@WuShocks

2 ай бұрын

I agree completely

@Kagemusha08

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, Grant wasn't a player who was awesome but would burden a team with inefficiency or ball-hogging. Guy was always more than willing to be a team player.

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

26 күн бұрын

the injury certainly didn't help grant hill either.

That 2019 Celtics was stacked C - Horford F - Morris F - JT G - JB G - Kyrie Rozier, Smart, Hayward

Hill was never the same, true, but he did enjoy a long career and became very valuable as a sixth man spot up shooter and solid defender.

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

26 күн бұрын

thankfully, hill had a tremendous bb iq to make that work. it's a shame his body didn't match his talent and smarts.

The NBA is all about consistency. Just ask Tim Duncan

The Ewing Theory

Stephon Marbury

@TheyCallMeSledge

2 ай бұрын

Oh that's right, in fact I think it happened twice with him. Traded from the Nets to Suns for Jason Kidd. Nets make back to back NBA Finals appearances. Traded from the Suns to Knicks mainly to make offseason moves to sign Steve Nash. Suns become perennial playoff contenders, become the best offensive team in the 2005 season and Steve Nash wins back to back MVPs. Stephon Marbury while an entertaining and skilled player in his own right, never elevated his teams to compete in a playoff level.

Giving up Demar for a one year Kawhi rental & a championship is one of the most insane swaps ever

Kyrie’s tenure in Boston will have a Netflix documentary in 20 years

@johnnytimestamp8224

2 ай бұрын

This won’t age well

@airfrance4365

2 ай бұрын

It won't

@ant4613

2 ай бұрын

It obviously won't but if it does, it'd be for all the wrong reasons.

@lorddj9910

2 ай бұрын

Lmao at everyone saying it won’t, they make docs about anything

@johnnytimestamp8224

2 ай бұрын

@@lorddj9910 I’ll be back in 20 years to laugh at you 🤣

When you say Grant Hill then showing McGrady in the lic as well, you can make them as a co #1 since McGrady getting injured actually made them make past the first round as well. But I am not saying they turned it around, more like unfortunate for McGrady since if he was healthy, that 09 team with Artest, TMac, and Yao Ming, would be amazing

I could not believe raptors traded demar for the claw but i realized we needed to trade him

you forgot about when Hordan Gayward left the Utah Spazz and they won one more playoff game with donovan mitchell

OOO i’m ready for this one

DeMar DeRozan & Kyle Lowry LeBronto 😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅

idk man, you promoting gambling houses - rubs me wrong, no doubt

2013 Denver Nuggets when they trade Melo

@kookiehughes8940

2 ай бұрын

2013 was already a few years after melo was traded

@AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw

2 ай бұрын

@@kookiehughes8940 a year and a half only

I mess wit the vids can you use the old music when comparing the teams idk it fits the topics to me 😂😂

Nets and Suns after losing Stephon Marbury.

As a Pistons fan, we didn't blame Grant Hill for not getting past the first round. It was Grant, Stackhouse and a weird mix of talent that wouldn't start on most teams. You also left out that Detroit got worse the following season then had a turn around season.

I think you should include the paul george era in pacers

Bro those grizzlies uniforms at 5:14 legitimately look like they came from a kids Rec league😂

You always make good content and videos, but this like came for ZEEBO!!

I know he isn't the player he is today but SGA was also a huge part of that thunder team

He should’ve put da Ty Lawson’s Denver nuggets because Ty Lawson once he left da Nuggets da nuggets got better slowly and won an NBA championship

@TheyCallMeSledge

2 ай бұрын

Too much time passed between Lawson leaving and the Nuggets winning the title to become a factor. A team being better after ditching their best player has to be an immediate effect.

this video came out at the right time as we’re seeing the rockets and jalen green dominating the last few weeks without sengun 😂😂

Dwight Howard leaving the Houston Rockets almost propelled that team to beating the Warriors by running everything through James Harden

@sharkythesharkyy

2 ай бұрын

what? rockets made the wcf in 2015 with dwight howard. they even came back down 3-1 with him vs the Clippers. When Dwight left, Harden choked in 2017 vs the spurs (2nd round) when Kawhi was out. Team was still the same when Howard left. It was the CP3 trade that changed in 2017 offseason, not Howard leaving. Even Howard complained about a lack of touches, even admitting he became disinterested during games because he knew Harden was a ballhog

@vulcanraven9701

2 ай бұрын

this is not a good example because houston dipped after losing howard for several yrs and then resurged when they got CP3

you didn't mention that houston went from the onyl team that can rival a prime GSW to losing in second round and even going 7 game against okc. the westbrick effect.

add to that the celtics jumping from 49-33 (.598) to 48-24 (.667), and after struggles in 2020-21, they went 51-31 (.622), 57-25 (.695), and are currently 54-14 (.794)

Sorry to incolve KD in this but after the Boston debacle i've never understood why he wanted to play with Kyrie

@abtocool6350

2 ай бұрын

Because there friends and kyrie is a top 20 player in the league.

Kyrie, Rudy Gay and PG are also top 3 hairlines in NBA history

Grant Hill became the 1st player in NBA history to break his own ankles by having his signature shoe made by Fila.

The pistons went off when Grant left

paul george was averaging 28 points while being 3rd in DPOY rankings. westbrook was averaging a triple double. they finished 6th in the western conference, and lost in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs. they were traded for CP3, and a couple of young talents, and finished FIFTH in the western conference, had a 0.2% chance of making the playoffs, made the playoffs and pushed a Harden led rockets to 7 games. 7 games into the first round was more than russ had ever accomplished on his own without durant. crazy how much people overrate russ. cp3 was 34, presumably 'washed', and had a FAR worse roster, and still led okc deeper into the playoffs that russ had ever on his own.

When Grant Hill was in Detroit in 1999-2000 season they went 42-40 after Grant Hill went to Orlando the Pistons finished 2000-2001 with a 32-50 record failing to make the playoffs unlike last year

The Bucks got better without Jabari Parker. I know this doesn’t seem like the best example but remember he was averaging just over 20 points for a team that was 22-30 in 2016-17. The same game Khris Middleton came back from a hamstring injury, Parker went down with another knee injury. However, the Bucks finished that season 20-10 with Giannis and Middleton and played a tough first round series against the Raptors. The next year, it was clear that the knee injuries were going to prevent Parker from ever reaching his full potential. That being said, the 2016-17 season proved the Bucks were a better team without Parker and he wasn’t going to be part of their future plans.

Can’t forget how toxic kyrie was during his last season with Boston

I didn’t think Rudy Gay would’ve been on this list but I was surely wrong

The Patrick Ewing effect (1998 knicks 8th seed finals run)

Ewing gets such a bad rap. No way they would have gotten through Miami in 99 without him and Van Gundy would have given his left nut to have Patrick available to go up against Duncan and Robinson in the Finals.

Rudy is a proto Paul George I remember when I thought he was going to be the next big thing

Not only Irving was out but Hayward from season get go.

Grant Hill kinda cursed Tmac😂 both players have one thing in common?? in they peak they couldn't get past the first round

This is like the Ewing Theory and you once made a video about it.

@johnnytimestamp8224

2 ай бұрын

0:22

@AirRusher1992

2 ай бұрын

@@johnnytimestamp8224 Andy did made one before. Check that out if you have some time.

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

Could it be argued that the teams in this video had flawed schemes that were too dependent on the player they ended up losing?

Danny Granger and David Lee should be honorable mention. After their respective injury, their team got better.

Thunder vs Rockets I actually wanted OKC to win, because it would have been funny. Rather than fizzle out the end of his career on a lottery team, Chris Paul and the OKC making the playoffs and beating the team that just traded him and the player they traded him for while OKC beat the player that just left and the team he left them for, would have been funny.

Putting up those numbers in the playoffs as a first option is crazy 😂 Kyrie is a solid 2nd option nothing more

Rudy Gay in 2k is hella unstoppable

Isiah Thomas retired in '94. Eleven years out of the league and I still wouldn't have traded him for Kyrie.

Bill Simmons article

The coming-out party of Zach Randolph? So we’re just going to completely forget about his stint in Portland.

Kyrie is the one that pop up in my head when i read the title of this video

Both the Nets and then the Suns got much better by trading away Stephon Marbury.

Raptors also got better when Rudy left

So as a die hard Celtic fan.. I’m gonna be real… Tatum is a robin not a Batman

Look at Knicks once Melo sat out even tho he never left the team Linsanity was fun while it lasted.

The common theme from those players is that they are ball dominant instead of adapting for the team.

How about the Cavs when they traded Collin Sexton? The Cavs finally started to look good after LeBron left the 2nd time. They were doing great, then Collin Sexton gets injured. They started playing even better. They eventually because a playoff caliber team. Then they traded Sexton, and they got even better.

People LOVE to HATE Kyrie

@BuMPiHD

2 ай бұрын

Real niggas know

@thepiratepenguin_

2 ай бұрын

Probably because he’s so highly overrated as a player and a really big fake intellectual.

@cosmix1

2 ай бұрын

Rightfully so

@BuMPiHD

2 ай бұрын

Point proven ^^

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

@@thepiratepenguin_What aspects of his game do people overrate in your opinion?

I thought Rudy Gay was going to be on here twice 😂😂😂

2012 Denver nuggets when they traded Melo

Ewing Theory. Has happened so many times since.

Demar should be number one easily because the raps won the chip right after he got traded. That should be a low blow to any players ego.

I think in the regular season, the raptors were clearly better WITH Demar than without him. But in the playoffs, he would regularly wet the bed and I felt many times the raptors played better without him because if he wasn't making shots, he was a huge defensive liability and blackhole offensively. He was very inefficient in the playoffs. But obviously you can't just bench your franchise player. Love Demar though, and so does the whole raptors fanbase, he's been nothing less than a professional despite all the criticism he got. Unfortunately the legacy of that era was being crushed by Lebron and underachieving by losing against the Nets and the Wizards as well. However, making the conference finals at the time was a huge accomplishment in Raptors history.

What’s the common theme? ISO ball and ball dominance doesn’t win championships SOMEONE SEND THIS VIDEO TO LUKA

@WuShocks

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! That kind of play style doesn't translate to winning a championship

@fortynights1513

2 ай бұрын

@@WuShocksWhy do some people think it will? And could it be said that that can make for some standalone carry job type wins, but not for a consistently successful team?

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

26 күн бұрын

just like any skill, you need iso players as well as ball movement. when defenses clamp down, that ball doesnt' move so well any more. that's when you need your iso players to step up and punish the otehr team. going full ball movement isn't good either cause then the ball gets forced into the hands of players that have no business shooting over some one who shoots 45% from 3. and a ball that is constantly in the air is easy pickings for steals.

Carmelo Anthony on Nyk when he left Nyk went on a better direction

@itzlucaaa6789

2 ай бұрын

Nah not really. Ik Melo wasn’t perfect but the only thing we gained from trading him was the pick for Mitchell Robinson. We had 2 seasons of ass after him tho we still needed to trade him to a contender

The Utah Jazz when they lost Gordon Hayward deserves an honorable mention. Nobody expected the Jazz to make the playoffs with a rookie Donovan Mitchell leading the way along with great support like Gobert, Ingles and Rubio

@suiken3149

2 ай бұрын

Jazz never made it far past 2nd round with or without Hayward. Jazz with Hayward at his best were 51 wins, just one year lower than Gobert-Mitchell's best season in 2021

@neilbryanbucsit197

2 ай бұрын

@@suiken3149 I mean the West was really stacked

@suiken3149

2 ай бұрын

@@neilbryanbucsit197 Yes but Jazz didnt really regressed nor improved before and after Hayward

@neilbryanbucsit197

2 ай бұрын

@@suiken3149 that is also true

ewing was pretty good in 1999

Monta Ellis for Bogut could’ve made the list too lol… but I guess Bogut was technically the better player when u look at everything

Granger and pacers Ellis and warriors

all this players have in common is being ball dominant and not being good enough

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

26 күн бұрын

beside grant hill.

Danny Granger injury in 2013 they were good when granger was just a locker room guy.

Rudy Gay left the Raps and we got better as well

I have a future entry: Zach Lavine

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

26 күн бұрын

i've still yet to see the big deal about that guy.

Probably celtics best move. BC they maxed there player potential into being a superstar by rempving kyrie irving

4:36 ? I thought the narrative was that Kyrie lied to the fans and abandoned the team. Now the front office didn’t bother with him? 👀

Should've said pistons trading Adrian dangly

Monta Ellis? Ben Gordon?

Celtics getting rid of Marcus smart lol

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

26 күн бұрын

granted, they replaced him with one of the most consistent defenders of like the past 10 years in jrue holiday.