What is the NEXT Era Timeline you'd like to see next? And thanks for staying patient. This video took ALOT of research to make! Follow Me On: Instgram: instagram.com/_alvini_/ Twitter: twitter.com/Alvini_Linguine Twitch: www.twitch.tv/alvini_linguine All Links: linktr.ee/Alvini_Linguine

@edwardkimakaballislifekim_578

3 ай бұрын

Do warriors or magic

@bigguy8435

3 ай бұрын

The John Wall/Bradley Beal era in Washington, the Knicks reconstruction from a joke franchise to a EC contender, post-MJ Bulls or the Shaq-PH years in Orlando

@blkstarsubbed9346

3 ай бұрын

Bulls. Nobody went from terrible to great to terrible as fast

@DaMeaun

3 ай бұрын

the memphis/vancuver grizzlies

@manzac112

3 ай бұрын

​@@bigguy8435 Utter the name, Ernie Grunfeld, in Washington and you will get death stares.

They always seem to want to pick “winners” from college, instead of picking the most talented players in the draft, and that’s what screwed them over in all these years

@user-sb8bn4vq8e

3 ай бұрын

So what you saying is college ball don't translate to the nba ❓ 🥶🥶🥶🥶

@donnyg9993

3 ай бұрын

@@user-sb8bn4vq8enot necessarily. A lot to guys who get drafted solely of college stats benefited from playing on bad teams and being the entire offense, which makes them look better than bench players on stacked teams

@MarlonT

3 ай бұрын

@@user-sb8bn4vq8e I personally think teams should go for the guys that have shown their game can translate to the nba level. Shooting %, aggressiveness and ability to drive to the rim, athleticism, vision, playmaking etc. Look at Ja morant for example, he went to a smaller school but was able to showcase those skills and it translated better than Kyle Guy who was on the Virginia team that won the chip that year. They gotta recognize who’s a college system player and who’s an nba talent

@nicholastricarico2957

2 ай бұрын

​​@@user-sb8bn4vq8eConsidering the fact that college tactics haven't evolved past the eighties and nineties, according to guys like JJ Reddick, then yes, the same kind of guys who succeed in college may not be the type of players who succeed professionally, and vice versa. You may have a player who isn't as good in college because he thrives in more fast-paced space and pace sets, and is stuck with a coach who runs a half-court offense, and thus gets little playing time. If he gets a shot with an NBA roster, he can showcase his abilities in a faster paced game.

@zaza7124

2 ай бұрын

@@donnyg9993but you said they pick winners how are they winners on bad teams 😂

They Hornets maybe a bad franchise but I’ll always love their 90s logo and team colors. Those are the best

@TheDrunkLawyer

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@Romanus-

3 ай бұрын

Yep they should bring it back tbh

@rainbowthegod

3 ай бұрын

Bobcat colors was fire to me 😂

@grimace145

3 ай бұрын

Yeah when I was a kid playing old b ball games I always picked their court cause it looked cool

@mikejoonsongco9003

3 ай бұрын

especially there starter jackets

This channel is just a gold mine for all basketball fans

@delugesofgrandeur

2 ай бұрын

I never knew Avril Lavigne had such a deep speaking voice.

@zechariahcameron3645

Ай бұрын

I can't wtaxh this whole video though. I want to, but I would have to find time lol.

‘San Francisco’ as background music for any part of this was an ironic, and hilarious, choice…and as the background choice for ‘12-13 section IN PARTICULAR…glorious

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Ahhhh, someone found out about my music taste 😈

It's always a good day when Alvini drops the team documentary bangers!

@jsn23nc

3 ай бұрын

Dude is terrible 😂😂😂

After all my years watching the NBA in general, Charlotte has never catch a break. Great documentary on them Alvini! 💯🔥💪🏾

Hopefully times will change for my Hornets sometime soon. Ive been a fan all my life, minus that time period they left Charlotte but i quit watching basketball entirely during that span

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Brandon Miller is legit and Ball is a really good player. Build around those two and they got something for the future for sure. Funny thing is the GM also left so yeah the Hornets are in a NEW era starting now!

@jaycubmitchell8808

3 ай бұрын

@@Alvini_Linguine The best ability is availability. And LaMelo is never available. I'm not saying trade him but I'd damn sure dangle him out there and see what teams would throw at me. If it isn't an OKC gold mine of 1st round picks and young controllable players then he's not moving. But B Mill I'd most certainly build around. I'd resign Miles Bridges and hire new training staff to help keep the guys healthy. They've missed Mark Williams bad this year

@InsiteVFX

3 ай бұрын

@@jaycubmitchell8808 LaMelo has shown he can play a full season and not have constant injury issues before, way too soon to right him off especially since he's the most valuable player we got to winning in the future.

@Romanus-

3 ай бұрын

@@InsiteVFXyou gotta admit it doesn’t look good though. His brother is chronically injured and so is he. He’s missed more games than he’s played by a pretty wide number. Sometimes players can get through that but usually if you are constantly injured when you are young it doesn’t get better, it unfortunately gets worse

@InsiteVFX

3 ай бұрын

@@Romanus- His brother and him are two different people. Lonzo has degenerative injuries, LaMelo has ankle tweaks from rushing his injury recovery constantly. These ankle issues started from 3 ankle injuries in a row where ppl fell on his ankle and rolled it twice... it's not the same at all, he was completely fine before that year with just 1 wrist injury that put him out like 15 games or so in his rookie year. Ppl that sit there and make the correlation of "oH weLL hIS brOTHEr iS inJURy PwoneE?!" are idiots im sorry. They dont watch the Hornets or LaMelo or know the slightest thing about whats going on. If he had genuine degenerative bone injuries, than that would be harder to come back from, but he doesn't have that.

Something on the 2008-09 Charlotte Bobcats I thought was pretty funny. On April 1st, 2009 the Bobcats sat at 34-40 just one game back of the Bulls for that 8th seed. Charlotte had to play 6 of their last 8 games on the road because their arena had to be used for a horse event called the "Charlotte jumper classic" The Bobcats finished the season 1-7 during that stretch

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Now that is unfortunate 😭😂

Although I'm not (primarily) a Hornets fan, being a Charlotte resident and hearing the Hornet's announcer say "Kemmmmbaaaa Walkkkkeerrrr" still gives me goosebumps

Big Linguine fan and bigger Hornets fan. Appreciate the effort you put into these long videos g

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏. I’m glad you all are enjoying them also 🤝

This man’s narrating is crazy. I thought I was watching a 2k “what if” video 🤣🤣

AD pelicans 2012-2019 would be interesting for a video as they only made the playoffs twice with him mostly the fault of the pelicans organization surrounding him with garabge role players

@alexescutia4805

3 ай бұрын

God him and boogie woulda been such a problem

This is an OUTSTANDING video. I would love to see more like this about all the other teams

Man, this just shows that great players dont make great GMs or coaches. Yet, some people get upset when you point this simple truth out.

@manzac112

3 ай бұрын

I always thought of it as a codependent relationship. The players and staff need the organization as well as the organization needs the staff and the players. It's rare to see that type of cohesion nowadays in the NBA.

@mixkid3362

3 ай бұрын

@manzac112 Very true. It feels like front office is more often than not acting against the best wishes of their players. Or some players with enough sway, use that to influence or straight up walk into the boardroom to make decisions. Those decisions are often made for selfish reasons.

@inhop2443

3 ай бұрын

Larry Bird and Jerry West.

@Romanus-

3 ай бұрын

@@inhop2443those are the two exceptions. Pretty much every other nba legend has been a terrible GM

@jefferycharles4849

3 ай бұрын

Jordan wasn't the coach or GM.

Lifelong Hornets fan. What's a Bobcat? Refuse to acknowledge. I'm just going to chop it up about Mourning, Grandmama, Mugsy, Dell, and how we didn't do enough to help Kemba. Edit: 37:52 Stu Scott, R.I.P. 🙏

I haven't followed the NBA since 2016. I'm just now coming back to the NBA and I came across this channel. I have to say, I love the content! Thanks for getting me caught up on everything I've missed over the years. Appreciate you.

@Alvini_Linguine

Ай бұрын

Thank you! 🙏 Was happening to come through reading the comments and saw this. Glad my channel got you back in the game 😁

Cant believe i watched the entire thing...well done man u deserve more subscribers.. any chance u will do kne on the Mavericks?

Jordan really played for one of the most greediest, ruthless and flat out incompetent owners ever who won the lottery with him and Scottie and failed upward thereafter. And Michael really said, "Bet, that's exactly what I wanna do. Just gotta buy a team and hit the lottery in the draft."

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

“Hit the lottery in the draft” is funny considering his gambling habits 😭. Dude was gambling for sure with these draft picks 😭

@johnharris3455

2 ай бұрын

Hey Joseph Matthes, this is going to be long-winded, but truth and fact.I don't know how you came to that conclusion on the Bulls owner, Jerry Riesdorf. Yeah, I admit they really underpaid and screwed up and over Scootie as far as his paper was concerned But the man always maintained and kept the players on the Bulls roster satisfied enough to stay with them and had enough to entice players to come there when players left enough to where they accomplished those two 3peat runs. The majority of those players were brought in by the GM Jerry Krause RIP. You know that guy that all Bulls fans hate and gives him no credit and even less respect. The only player that was brought to the team that I don't believe was his idea, but he supported the move was Rodman. And no, it wasn't all due to MJ. He was the main man and leader of the team and franchise, but he was playing with players that the GM selected to play with him, and all knew their rolls and played it well. As far as the drafting of players, he drafted well, early on when they lost enough games to have them. He orchestrated that draft day trade with Seattle thar brought in Scootie. He drafted Stacy King and BJ Armstrong. Othe than MJ who was there one year prior to Krause getting there, He assembled the starting 4 and the cast of support players on the bench. He made the decision to move on from the previous coach, Doug Collins, a move MJ didn't like and brought in Phil Jackson and did all that setting up to that setting up what woul become the start of a dynasty. He was the one that orchestrated the plan and deal that brought in Kukoc, which was the 1st step in starting the 2nd 3peat run. After that, it was all about getting the best available free agents to the team because they started winning, which reduced their draft selection greatly. And through it all, Jerry Riesdorf, the owner, paid them enough of a salary that was good enough for them to come there and stay there until the run ended. So Bruh, for you to accuse the man the way you did, I don't see how you can justify what you said about him. Unless you are part of the Bulls fan base that still holds them responsible for breaking up the team and ending the dynasty. The truth of that is that it was already over and run its course because they were old and past their prime playing careers. They were still going to be competitive, but after the last championship. They were done, and management made that franchise decision to get younger and start over. All championship teams have to go through that phase at some point. It's how it is for all team franchises, no matter the sport. It is what it is. You have to reload to keep shooting your shot. And hope that the future decisions as far as maintaining and building the team work out. But they will never be as good as the one that time has passed by , and they weren't. They had an excellent starting point when they drafted Jason Williams and Derek Rose, but the unfortunate risk of injuries is a gamble all teams have to consider and deal with. And the Bulls on their reload were hit, and they're dealing with it to this day. And last but definitely not least. Jerry Krause, the man who orchestrated that dynasty the guy/GM Bulls nation hates. Well, he died. So do ya'll see how important he was to the organization now.

@northaldine5116

2 ай бұрын

​@@Alvini_LinguineShutyogoofyassup😂

@BrandonLyons-fu7zp

2 ай бұрын

@@johnharris3455bro no one’s reading this

@marcusgilmore5211

6 күн бұрын

@@johnharris3455 i’m a diehard Pacers fan I would take someone like Jerry in a heartbeat what is your favorite team?…

I am loving this video! You talk good and I like the info and clips

Hey Alvin, I am new to your channel and very impressed with your content and the way you present your videos . They're very informative and your tone of voice describing the action combined with your presentation leaves no room for your videos being dull & boring. I'm a Charlotte Hornets/ Bobcats fan since their beginning and had to endure a lot of losing with my franchise. But hey, I staked my claimi on them and they're the team that I ride & die with, for better or worse. And I watched this video ,thanks to how you presented it, hoping of a different outcome other than the one I knew was coming. 😂. But thank you for this. I see the effort you put into your productions thus the quality of your videos. So keep up the good work and am looking forward to all others you put out.

Love the vids bro they help me go to sleep, keep up the good work

I know this was about basketball but the fact that I heard that nujabes Jam at the end made me dumb happy

@Alvini_Linguine

11 сағат бұрын

Had to share my music taste with everyone 🥹😁

I never realized how truthfully mid they were in the that time like always winning between 30-35 wins is so deflating

GAH DAMN my guy Alvinni the goat for real he deserves all the love and attention and man when it comes I will be glad to know I’m a Day 1 and progression will be legendary and I will feel like a proud father almost 😂

alvini linguine vid the length of the nolan batman movies? sign me up

This is an incredible deep dive and very entertaining… great job

@Alvini_Linguine

2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏💪

Love your videos, especially the longer ones about franchise screw up histories. Got two that would probably be about 5 hours apiece: Knicks since 1990 or Trailblazers since 1989. Or just shorter stuff. Knicks point guard shenanigans since around 1987 or Jailblazers to Dame timeline.

Get this man more subscribers goddamn he deserves it

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

One video at a time. We’ll get there 😤😈

Great Doc!!! But can we talk about your music selection in the background tho ✊🏾🔥🤙🏾

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Why thank you. Learned the art of using copyrighted music in my videos 😤

The best thing the Hornets ever did was come out with those windbreakers that we ALL had

Morrison got hit with the meanest ankle-breaker on the weakest move 💀💀

@freddythescnd

Ай бұрын

lost his whole leg on a dribble pick-up😂

As a Hornets fan, this hurts. Sincerely

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

I’m sorry, but the people wanted this 🥲

@razkable

Ай бұрын

Hornets haven't won a playoff series since 2002...haven't ever been in the conference finals..longest streak in the nba and won 3 playoff games since coming back in 04....they took 14 years to win a playoff game...insane

One of the franchises of all time

How do you not more subs very underrated channel and very knowledgeable

@Alvini_Linguine

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't tell you. But one video at a time!

Finally it's here I know it's bout to be a banger

Great vid

Been waiting on this own

@Romanus-

3 ай бұрын

Great documentary🔥 Love this type of long form content

Please please please do this for the timberwolves. Show everyone else why we need to embrace and enjoy every moment ANT gives us

@Alvini_Linguine

2 ай бұрын

Hehehehehe. Would be a fun one for sure 😈

I love the depth of these videos. My ONLY gripe is PLEASE learn “RELEGATED” vs “REGULATED”

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏. Glad y’all enjoy my rambling and over explaining. And gotcha on that other one 😭😭😭

What music did you use for this? Can you please post the "playlist"? I can't Shazam anything lol

Larry Brown also get credit for clips first playoff run in something like 25 years at the time. Really the beginning of that team heading in the right direction until now.

MOM NEW ALVINI LINGUINE DOC JUST DROPPED 🗣️🗣️🗣️

My goodness over 2.5 hours!

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

I wonder how that happened 🫣

this is a banger

Good video

Derick Rose catchin strays💀

i’m glad you’re not one of those people who just skip over the awful person derrick rose is, great video!!

Nc resident. Hornets / Bobcats always got unlucky in the draft order. Always picking the wrong player.

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

It killed me to see how many times they got moved BACK in the draft. They could’ve drafted AD easily but for some reason the Hornets got the string of luck after trading CP3 like if it wasn’t the Bobcats drowning for almost a decade 😭

@manzac112

3 ай бұрын

​@@Alvini_Linguine And, what made it worse was the Lakers trade that they had was actually a better offer that would have benefited the Hornets and they still could have gotten Anthony Davis.

@RenishaDavenport-vk2ll

3 ай бұрын

It would have eventually asked to trade it no way he turns down the opportunity to team with LeBron ​@@Alvini_Linguine

What’s the sound in the background at around 1:32:17 and like the 30 seconds before that? Shit slaps fr

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's from the Boondocks Soundtrack "Thank you for not Snitching"

Can you do the process era sixers? 8:29

Thank you

Crazy it was 2 to 4 years then NBA and now its 1 but the 2 to 4 will come back with NIL for players who doubt making it past a rookie in the NBA

Idk why but I feel like Jordan himself might actually watch this 😂

I would like to see the Bobcats as an alternative jersey with Melo and them boys

Video is fucking fire dawg thank you gained a sub

you should do the vancouver grizzlies/Memphis grizzlies

You should do the Bulls since DRoses first acl injury. Pretty much the same with bad draft picks, bad trades, and stuck in mediocrity.

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

I think that might be the one in April. Because everyone has been begging for that one 😭

BABE ALVINI JUST DROPPED A NEW DOC !🗣️🗣️🗣️

@ashleyking1146

2 ай бұрын

Tmdwu

Could you do a story on donte stallworth🙏🏿👀

44 minutes....damn 3.5 blocks per game from DJ Augustine...what a beast rim protector he must have been!!🤯

Adam Morrison wasn't a bad pick, dude averaged 28 and 5 for Gonzaga on like 53% from the field and 43% from 3. And if I remember correctly he was the runner up to JJ Reddick for consensus NCAA player of the year. No one could've seen that he would end up being a bust who would get injured, didn't halfway care about NBA basketball, and didn't take showers after games lol.

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

I legit explained the fact he wasn’t a NBA athlete was his biggest red flag and didn’t have the skills to be what he was in a different NBA environment. Some skills translate, some don’t. Some people can’t dominate college like they did in HS and some people can’t dominate the NBA like they could in college.

@sadmarinersfan8935

2 ай бұрын

I think there is a chance in today’s NBA that he might’ve been able to do something because of the fact that the NBA is way less physical and way more offensive oriented so he could’ve maybe gotten away with his lack of defense and athletic ability, but who knows Because he still couldn’t shoot, even though he should’ve been able to do at least that

🎉 yes more long videos you feeding families with these do my poverty wizards nation next 😢

You should make a video about how it the wolves to get to the 1 seed after years of hell 😭

it is genuinely surprising that the hornets haven't been re-located again, i wouldn't be shocked to see them moved if they continue to be this bad

@Idekatthispoint420

3 ай бұрын

As a kings fan nah that’s not the move. Charlotte has a good amount of basketball history and I don’t think that’s the move. At this point I think there’s enough history with almost all these teams to argue relocation as a whole is not viable.

Can it even be called a rebuild when this iteration of the team has never actually been built? This isn't the same team as the old Hornets and didn't have the assets the similarly frustrating Pelicans had. And that team was bad. Very bad. That's like the worst possible start for a franchise as you could imagine.

1:13:06 man I almost forgot about him god damn it 😔😔bad time to be a Cavs fan

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

"You're playing like THUGS" LMAOOOOOOOOO!

Do more on toronto rappers from Canada 🇨🇦

Thanks, man!

37:53 - How do you not know that commentator is the legend, Stuart Scott?

Alvini are you from Western Tennessee. Those Rs sound like memphis

@Alvini_Linguine

Ай бұрын

Travel another state down south and you got it.

@JoshuaKimbrough

Ай бұрын

@@Alvini_Linguine the Sip okay yeah I was close. I knew the region lol

@Alvini_Linguine

Ай бұрын

@@JoshuaKimbrough No, Alabama 😭. But close enough lol

1:10:00 y is speed used as the graphic there😨😭

I watched Emeka play at Uconn. He was a great player. I wouldnt say that was a "bad" pick at all. Better than their future picks for sure. Just sayin ;-)

@Alvini_Linguine

8 күн бұрын

Not wrong there 😂.

This really activates my almonds

"Kiss my grits" shinn told the city that once threw him a parade - seth rosenthol, secret base

Miiiiiiidddddddd. I miss heel MJF

Yea you should do a vid on the summer of 2016 even looking back those crazy deals make me cringe today lol

i will say this about adam morrison - was he overhyped? yes. did the bobcats play him in an unnecessary role of a lead scorer? yes. but do people realize he was playing (both in the ncaa and the league) with type 1 diabetes, which is a severe severe chronic condition? no. adam morrison definitely overachieved considering the physical limitations life put ahead of him. it's just a shame that the hype led him to a franchise that didn't understand how to use him while he still had his legs. i'm 100% sure had he been used cautiously (again, because of his type 1 diabetes) he could have turned into a valuable long range shooter like ryan anderson or jj reddick, with maybe less minutes than those guys.

@Alvini_Linguine

Ай бұрын

Either way you put it, he's a champion in this game called life despite the limitations he was born with. Made Millions in the league, a college legend, and can say he can retire at a very young age. Sometimes in life it is all about being in the right situation. He was NOT in the right one.

This last draft was the final straw for me as a former Hornets fan. I'm not sold on Miller, his off-court associates and issues concern me. The waiving of perennial DUI dude Bouknight was a good sign. If I were the Hornets GM, I would flip Melo and Bridges as well. Btw, during the first time out after Bridges came back, The Hornet's decided to play "Baby don't hurt me" for the crowd and two Hugo the Hornet mascots acted out a domestic fight on the court! Like, what the! I turned the game off right then and there.

Fuck!!!! You didn’t have to do my hornets like this 😢 😭 I’ll be back to watch all 2hours

@RenishaDavenport-vk2ll

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@RenishaDavenport-vk2ll

3 ай бұрын

I know right

Do the Chicago bulls and the Knicks next

gotta do a wizards timeline

As a Cavs fan, I would like to sue you for emotional distress for reminding me that we had John Beliein as a coach at one point

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

Slugs > Thugs 😤

Let's be honest Adam was being compared to Bird at the time... one of the few players that Jordan always struggled with... the pick made sense. And jokic is the 2nd larry bird...

Are we just gonna ignore how he just did D rose

Gotta spend or draft amazingly to get good players these days and keep them! Im sorry but players like Kemba Walker, Lamelo Ball, Gordon Heyward and Terry Rozier arent gonna cut it as first options. Just look as they are 3rd or 4th options on really good teams! Or even subs/bench warmers ie Gordon Heyward OKC lol. Look at PJ Washington, no shame he is key for Dallas and a stud, but maybe the 4th or 5th option at times, 3rd at the most on a given night. No disrespect or reflects on them, they are all solid/great players or even considered close to, or allstar level. Some consider Lamelo to be at least for that one year. But not a franchise no1 imo & in a smaller market like Charlotte all these misses and the inability to not pay or attract marquis players is deadly. We are witnessing the results. I hope going forward management makes better decisions. Almost everyone imo knew Michael KG wasn't worth no 2. Good athlete but in today's NBA you need scoring!

I'm just going to say it in the best way possible: This franchise was better off as the Charlotte Bobcats.

Michale Jordan, after having taken all the Ws, cannot stop taking Ls.

Jordan really screwed up lmao... But even without him, i doubt the hornets will be better anytime soon unless lamelo and miller go ham next season...

I like this channel and I hate to say anything but.......... NBA coaches get hired with no experience all the time, all the time. It's a huge talking point when it happens, every year. What about "mark Jackson" or whoever hasn't got rehired lately.

I see a pattern here. Draftpicks are no horses or suorise eggs, you need to guess whats inside. You need to develope your players. Every bad frenchise in every sport is failing here. Even drafting Kobe or Doncic you need to do the right things to make them get to the potential they have. Alltime Great Talents, like Jordan do not understand the weakness of other people. They can do something, so why is this guy struggle? Only if an exeptional former player get a prepared ground for him, he can coach or manage a team with his knowledge about that sport. This is still very rare

I don’t know why but I wish the bobcats struck around longer, I liked the logo and uniforms

@Alvini_Linguine

3 ай бұрын

The Orange was LOUD but man I would rock a Bobcats Jersey rn.

This guy Cash Considerations seems to be passed around the league a lot. Did he ever pan out?

The Derrick rose stray was unnecessary

@jordanjohnson1019

3 ай бұрын

I'm saying shit had me tight

OH MY GOD 2 HORS OF PEAK??

Hornets had the best NBA Jam team.

If Scottie Pippen was the gen manager/owner of the Bobcats, they wud have won a championship

Bro Gerald Wallace wasn't a benchwarmer in Sacramento. He balled out .

@SmoothCriminal12

3 ай бұрын

Wallace was absolutely a bench warmer in Sacramento. Although that was hardly his fault as the team was pretty deep from 02-04. Good he got to breakout elsewhere.

Andrei kirenlenko did that stl and blow more than once to

As a Knicks fan, I truly understand the fucking up draft picks but at least they never refused to tank