I knew offense took a massive jump but this variation of the Pistons being almost as efficient as the 73-9 Warriors is bonkers

@Epupify

3 ай бұрын

Ikr? The introduction of this video was really shocking to me.

@hektor7798

3 ай бұрын

Its not just offenses. Defenses have clearly taken a step back. The Jazz have a better offense than the 2017 warriors with KD and Curry on paper. Yeah that isn't just because "better shooting now" and "offensive schemes" lets be real. Lauri Markannan is not leading a better offense than the 2017 Warriors with this Jazz team *IN* 2017. Only in 2023

@hektor7798

3 ай бұрын

And the argument this guy uses against defenses not being worse is dumb. Especially the foul argument. If a team literally breaks the opposite players arm every time they get the ball and the other team doesn't even touch their opponents does this mean refs are softer when it comes to the first team? You can't just bring up FTA per game to make this argument because its about WHICH calls are made not how many. The other argument he made was the open shots thing. First of all he shows there is a difference so already there u can see the difference. It's a difference of about 4 shots per game when you look at how many shots teams are putting up in 2016 vs 2024. When you add the higher amount of slightly open, slightly contested, heavily contested etc it slowly starts to show.

@florida1289

Ай бұрын

As a Pistons fan I can assure it hasn't felt that way.

The league is insanely talented, and also they allow 3 and 4 steps, moving screens everywhere, carrying, and offensive players can just bulldoze into defenders to get calls. Without how smart and proficient the league is, let's allow them to play a little defense, too. It'll make that talent even more exciting as overcoming a challenge is way more entertaining than overcoming nothing

@ogmusik2549

3 ай бұрын

Why is the talent only on offense do players just not try on defense or is it the rules. It must be one or the other. Or are players just getting worse defensively

@redmangoose182

3 ай бұрын

@@ogmusik2549 you can only do so much defensively compared to the variety of offensive schemes and strategies.

@bobmortock

3 ай бұрын

It's the rules. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aH2EurWqf8vfm8o.htmlsi=AD-k9_Ps4uZivz0a @@ogmusik2549

@traybaldwin

3 ай бұрын

People who say the league allows traveling are mainly saying that because most of you don’t understand the rules. And that’s NOT me saying traveling calls aren’t missed, it’s just not happening at the level you all like to say it is. Just yesterday, on twitter, I saw an unbelievable number of people call a Jalen Brunson one foot Step-Through, a travel…a move that has been legal at ALL LEVELS of Basketball for decades. This take is getting ridiculous.

@jlui21

3 ай бұрын

@@traybaldwin -- If you ever watch footage of the 1960s or 80s, the game was called wayyyy different. I've seen Lebron take 4 and 5 steps with a no call. Moving screen as OP noted happens all the time. I saw a travel on Kareem and Magic, and it was a pivot foot maybe that moved 1/4 inch. lol. By the 90s, the crossover got laxed with Iverson who pushed the envelope. All crossovers up until that point were tight, inside the body. Iverson went pterodactyl with his, and it was awesome. The biggest thing? Watch USA basketball in the international game. We struggle b/c the game is way more physical. It's also why Jokic and Luka said it is easier to score in the NBA. I will say that playoff basketball is great -- intense and again, way more physical. Those regular season 120-130ppg don't happen that often, and DEN vs MIA? It was 104 ppg vs 96.7ppg. Same rules, different physicality.

A re-defining and cracking down of the travel rule would pull offense back immediately. I understand the concept of the gather step, but technicalities and arguments about the semantics of it all has led to offensive players basically getting 3 steps AND the ability to draw a whistle by running INTO a defense and then flailing about. If the offensive player initiated the contact, the defense should never be called for the foul.

@ege920

3 ай бұрын

They travel nearly every possession . They arent being called so the league is meaningless to watch.

@shepardice3775

3 ай бұрын

it'd pull offense back for about 2 months lol

@bobmortock

3 ай бұрын

It was maddening watching Paolo pick it up one dribble inside the arc and take 4 to 5 steps on his drives. How on earth is a defender supposed to guard someone when they can just run in from the three point line like a fullback? @@ege920

@maartenvz

3 ай бұрын

I think the favourable whistle has a bigger impact than the gather step. And the moving screens. But the thing that has changed the most since 2016 is the pace

@lenliu749

3 ай бұрын

Half of the moves that players use today would have been illegal 20 years ago.

Who else misses the good ol trumpets? 😢

I feel like one of the reasons the Warriors werent more dominant was because of how many games were decided in the 3rd quarter, let alone the 1st half. Suffering from success basically

@thedailygreatness

3 ай бұрын

The rest of the league hadn't accepted and adapted to the Warriors system. It took about five years. Now the Warriors are outclassed by the revolution they created. It's ruthless.

@Spawn3582

3 ай бұрын

@@thedailygreatness That and they aged while younger legs came in that can run their system.

Adam Silver effect. The game changed too much for the worse.

The entire philosophy of the NBA today is, shoot as much as you want, casual fans only watch highlights, casual fans pay the bills, we'll only show them your good highlights so the casual fans think you're incredible.

@Thurokiir1

3 ай бұрын

Then suddenly you're Jordan Poole LMAO

can't forget that nowadays nothing can be done on defense and everything is allowed offensively

@Herzeder

3 ай бұрын

Yes that was better in the 90's when help defense was litteraly illegal !! Wait.. ?

@pewpew9193

3 ай бұрын

​@@Herzeder Yea, I don't think people know that. The blitzing most teams do against Luka would have been 100% illegal then.

@Herzeder

3 ай бұрын

@@pewpew9193 For some reason people seems to understand defense better when it's about elbowing people in the face than when it's strategicly done

Speaking of the Pistons, have you thought of doing a video on the 1979-80 team which, until recently, was the worst in franchise history?

“The nba is more popular than ever” in terms of what? The nba viewership has absolutely tanked in recent years. Despite the nba thinking casual fans love all this scoring, I’m not sure that’s the case.

It feels like basketball shares the same problem with football in that defenders essentially just aren't allowed to do anything. Fouls exist for a reason obviously but its such a drag on the excitement when the games themselves takes a back seat for 30 FT attempts per game (or a game warping roughing the passer/PI call in footballs case)

Over the years, the talent among non-stars or role players has been getting better too. Guys like Derrick White, Aaron Gordon, Anunoby, McCollum, Coby White, etc. could be all-star level in the 90's or 00's (maybe). Even players below their level can have a big impact by just being a capable 3-point shooter. Defensively it's so difficult to pack the paint or focus on one player nowadays unlike before.

@user-py1ru7uh3m

3 ай бұрын

Lol. Those players have barely improved over the years the league has just got weaker… it’s hilarious how many Undrafted guys and guys who are solid but not great can easily put up 20+ in the NBA. Yet a few years prior they were just middling players….

You can solve defense by simply allowing zone defense in the paint like the FIBA rules. In fact, I think it's only natural that both rules end up merging.

i miss the old nba where the mid 2000’s suns were by far the fastest pace in the the league, like it was only 110 ppg and way ahead of everyone, also when the rivalries were just so much better in the playoffs

Your content is GOATED man. Keep it up.❤

I think allowing teams to be more physical on defense would instantly make the NBA so much enjoyable to watch. I don’t mind a game that ends with a 120-130 score line every once-in-awhile, but when it happens every other game it’s just boring

I really miss the early 2000s Pistons. When teams visited them, they always hated playing against them. Because they would only manage to score 60 to 70 points, even in a win. It does create some stakes. Somehow. Losing 65-75 feels more painful and meaningful than losing 120-130.

Evolution of production from Andy and i like it so keep it up Honestly I like the early 2000s and it was a good blend of offensive and defensive but 2000s was also a very slow paced era and I don’t mind having a iso game every once in awhile but not a whole season

this video is crazy. thank you so much.

I don't like the direction the league is moving towards, and still can't get used to those crazy box numbers when both teams score 75 to 90 points combined just in one quarter ... Also it makes impossible to include all the offensive highlights in 10 minutes, because that's the way i was watching regular NBA games for last 4-5 seasons.

I like the new music you've put on your vids when explaining the key points Andy

The giant elephant in the room....officiating. If you try to defend a 3 and you breath on the shooter. It's a foul. If you somehow manage to not even breath on the shooter, he crumbles to the ground and the refs blow the whistle. Guys are basically shooting 3's like they are playing a game of horse. There is no fear of getting their shot blocked because they know that the refs are going to blow the whistle. So as long as a player is open enough to get a shot off, they let it fly. There is no fear of missing, or even being defended. The sad thing is, the way that teams have adjusted is actually good for the game. If the refs just called the game the way that they used to 10 years ago, scoring would go down, but games would be in the low 100's and not the mid 80's.

@Herzeder

3 ай бұрын

Yes, officiating was better when Bibby fouled Kobe elbow with is nose or when MJ just had to scream "illegal defense" at a ref to get a foul, right ?

I think personally, its worth looking at hand checking and how many steps for a travel. Hand checking as you explained was to create more offense and would allow mor defensive physically. Traveling rules were modified during the Jordan eras to allow more dunks. This is why many players who play in the Olympics talk about the adjustment they need to make when playing international ball. If we have the best athletes that we ever had, i think preventing 2.5 steps and bringing back to 1.5 would also be in interesting change to give both sides more of an equal playing field.

nba should implement the Fiba Rules. Gather step, dang, wth. They call travel everytime you do that on the streets. And thats how it is supposed to be.

Don't forget the rule change on resetting the shotclock when grabbing offensive rebound from 24 to 14secs. That gives the offensive team less time to reset their offense. 10secs difference is huge resulting in extra possessions to the teams and game.

Ok i see Jimmy high roller, Goat, AM hoops, and even Mikerophone talked about as the best NBA KZreadrs but Andy doesn't get enough credit!! Just the ideas of some of these videos are so interesting and fun to watch! Things you didn't know you'd be interested in. You are most definitely in the class with those guys and dare i say maybe even a little more creative. Just felt the need to say good sht AndyHoops!!! Love the content brother 💪🏿

Great video per usual Andy. Hopefully Silver and Co can implement some rule changes to help defenses

Your Video is really history, i loved it.

Great analysis!

Great video Andy!! It has changed!!

@chrilpy

3 ай бұрын

You watched a 15 minute video in only 3 minutes? That’s some serious talent

@Hello12489

3 ай бұрын

5 times speed ​@@chrilpy

So much really has changed in a 7 year span I really wish the defense could have some advantages to catch up to what players can do offensively nowadays

Great video

mad respect for your use of papyrus

2:47 "offenses are way more efficient than they used to be" I disagree with that statement. I think it's the other way around. Defenses aren't as efficient as they used to be.

@mus.ichael7383

3 ай бұрын

I disagree…players now have to be able to shoot, pass, and defend at a high level due to all the spacing

Damn great job highlighting how much the league has changed!

2016 was 8 freakin' yrs ago!!! Game can be changed in couple of yrs,yet alone in 8 yrs..I bet in 2-3 yrs from now the average number of points per game will be over 150 per team. Now,TODAY,Pacers have average of 126 points per game...

@skywalker2676

3 ай бұрын

Man I can’t believe it’s been 8 years😭😭I was a junior in high school when the warriors went 73-9 now I’m finna be 25 this year. That shit is crazy. 2016 was the real start of the modern era of basketball. Miss that time period

@Coach_Vedo

3 ай бұрын

@@skywalker2676 i agree with you on that...well,i turned 39 in january. I mean,basketball is my life,i graduated kinesiology at University and im basketball coach. Back in 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona, when i watched whole basketball tournament and seeing my Croatia against original,first Dream Team,was turning point for me. Seeing Bulls and Rockets in that whole decade from first hand...i miss that basketball.

The 2016 Warriors was like getting a mod for a game, it just wasnt fair. If Durant didnt leave they would have never lost. Thats the only team I know that could have beaten the 96' Bulls

@Herzeder

3 ай бұрын

The 2014 spurs could have beaten basically any team in basketball history but for some reason everyone seems to forget them.

@Cereal_Killer007

3 ай бұрын

@@Herzeder They probably had the best teamwork ive ever seen, it was even better than The Pheonix Suns when they had Steve Nash. Tim duncan, ginobli, and parker were a great trio....Duncan was one of the best to ever do it. With that said, it would take more than ball movement to beat the warriors although the spurs had a much better center. They also lost to the heat in the championship so claiming they can beat any team ever is exaggerated because they didnt.

@Herzeder

3 ай бұрын

@@Cereal_Killer007 The 2014 Spurs didnt loose to the Heat tho, they gentleman swept them lol. Their motivation and change in playstyle was actually caused by their lost to the Heat in 2013 (one of the best team ever too btw) + Kawhi improved quite a bit between 2013 and 2014. I'm pretty sure that the Spurs COULD (key word here, I'm not saying they would do it 100% of the time) beat the 16 Warriors or the 96 Bulls in a 7 game series.

@Cereal_Killer007

3 ай бұрын

@@Herzeder I thought kawai leonard was out on injury in the 2014 finals? Or am I confusing 2014 with 2013?

High scoring is not a problem as defense prevails in the playoffs. Even the Warriors used to play great defense when they won their titles.

When you realize that the 2024 pistons have a similar offensive rating to the #1 offense in 2016. Crazy how much the game has changed in just a few short years. Even the league average true shooting percentage went up. I think that’s attributed to insane offenses. Guys who can get a shot from anywhere on the court. Plus the insane 3 point rate has a lot to do with it too.

@LilRick96

3 ай бұрын

But here's what doesn't make sense. The offensive rating is similar to the warriors in 2016.... But in the video, he stated that they have no floor spacing and poor perimeter shooters, they are 6-43 and would get smoked by the 2016 warriors who are now " old and antiquated" by today's standards. I'm not buying it

You know what the 2011 Mavs one of the first teams that kinda matched what today's game is like. Everyone could shoot on that squad other than Tyson. Dirk Jet Matrix and Kidd.

One of your best videos man, it was really interesting to see how league has changed over the years. I had no idea that having first offence in 2016 would mean that you will be practically dead last in 2024 if you have same everything. It's crazy...I wonder how the game will look in 5 years or so👀

Those were some insane statistics you showed at the start there. It is truly mind blowing

One thing is, is that the Aleutian of the four and the five man having guitar type ability has changed the game plus the pace of play and some changes. How about that offices to jump this high, but also the players day or way, more talented and gifted than ever before, but does not mean they’re as great edit: the defensives scheme are not evolved plus if u want add fiba & olymic rules

this is crazy bro

I think the Celtics have the key in terms of defenses moving forward. They play a sort of dice roll defense, where they track player movement but based on who is the worst shooter in specific areas of the court and then leave them for the shot. Basically during the worst shooter to shoot. If you tweak it a little bit, you can definitely get a defense where that is key

I do also feel the less foul frequency is directly because more jumpshooting

It’s because everyone favors analytics highlights superteams it’s hs hall rn but it used to be sets plays simple clean crisp baskeyball but now everything is a 3 pt contest I’m watching certain players shotting threes and I’m like “they wouldn’t be allowed to take those 10 years ago” what happened to the league I love😢

Andy hoops 💪

I grew up and Jordan,Shaq,Hakeem, and AI this new shit phony

Glad I got to live through the 90s and the 00s and watched how much the game has changed

@derektorres9275

3 ай бұрын

Same here

What if the NBA got rid of the limit for defensive players to stay in the paint entirely like with the FIBA rules?

The offensive revolution and analytics happened along with the NBA nerfing defense and allowing Offensive player to travel, carry, flop, charge, set moving screens, etc. It is not organic. The NBA should use analytics to create an entertaining and fun product. Don't just let teams and players destroy the NBA product in a short sighted focus on wins.

That's why the NBA in recent years has become boring especially in regular season

@spacejamgaming

3 ай бұрын

There's a lot of good teams in this season

@billie-J

3 ай бұрын

well it became boring because every team is doing the same thing they became similar.

@johnjordan6665

3 ай бұрын

It’s not boring it’s boring to u lol, things change. u think we supposed to be playin like it’s the 90s still early 2000s

@Reese1882yw

3 ай бұрын

Yes because games in 2004 were so entertaining smh alot of yall are trapped by nostalgia but I remember older people saying this exact same thing about the early 00s pace. They literally used to talk about basketball needing a revolution because final scores of 67-69 was awful for the game and it wasn't just because of "defense"either. This is just history repeating itself the game is changing and some people cant let go off what they grew up watching.

@Maxjuliann

3 ай бұрын

@@johnjordan6665it’s not boring to someone that plays / really enjoys basketball but I see what a lot of ppl say about how the game has changed. You gotta remember not all change is good , and I think every team trying to play the same way ( shoot mad 3s ) is not exactly good for the game of basketball. It might be good for ratings since fans tend to really like this but those of us that have seen many different styles of basketball can see how this isn’t good for the game going forward . Even a guy like Dame has spoken on that

Efficiency is only high because players aren’t allowed to play real physical defense. 40 3 point attempts by each team is a reason scoring is so high

I think teams fouls per game cant be taken at base value because refs definitely call softer fouls, but the players got used and stopped playing so physically and that actually gives players more space to work with (even tho there are less fouls)

Having a star big man is just as good as a back court. The offense goes through your best player. Scoring is higher because very good shooters love the three and not drain the clock to zero before trying to score...

The 2016 Warriors just tried to mirror the 2014 Spurs

I would love even slightly more leeway in pyshcial defence it would keep the offence more honest and make it more of a suprise and more fair and fun tbh

You forgot talk about double dribles, charging with the ball and traveling is legal now😂

@cameronno6039

3 ай бұрын

Moving screens. Carrying on every possession.

Refs call less fouls because teams don't play defense.

The Micheal Redd highlight at the end was plush

This is what happens when the defense is getting hold back by the rulebook.

nba offences being this good is insane

This is basically a TL:DR for Rusty's video.

Its hard to distinguish who is the best when everyone drops historical numbers on rookie mode.

You mentioned an interesting point about refs calling fewer fouls these days compared to last decade. I’d love to know how many fouls today are called as shooting fouls, especially on jumpshots and 3pt shots. I bet a lot of money that number is WAY higher today than it was back then. IMO defenses today have gotten worse. Credit to offensive players for expanding their game and having multiple ways to score, but defense has def taken a backseat compared to years past

If Jordan was in his prime in this modern NBA era he'd average 50 PPG. Defenses have gotten weaker. Ain't no way I'd be fine as the opposing coach letting the opposing team's star player scoring 70 points!

I do like the current era however I wish it was more physical

Is the NBA really more popular than ever? I feel like 20-30 years ago, even casuals here in Europe could at least name MJ, Kobe or Shaq as active players. I have had multiple instances where people didn't know who LeBron was, or Steph... Many people who watched the game back then have long stopped following. The NBA has become an absolute niche product, even the freaking NFL is more popular in Germany when nobody actually plays American Football. The NBA definitely peaked with MJ over here.

@ogmusik2549

3 ай бұрын

It's not popular only kids watch highlights clips no one watched games

The percentages might be similar, but that's not what you should be looking at. How many 2 pointers were teams taking in 2016? How many 3 pointers did the Warriors take in 2016?

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0:25 That's what I am talking about when people say Pistons are simply bad. The team can be eight seed if it is a few years back. It just the evolution of basketball is too rapid.

they need to make new rules that makes the game fair for defense and offense. it’s incredibly boring if they make scoring look easy

This guy obviously never watched Kobe from 08 to 10. Best individual performances ever watched.

I don’t like this NBA. Where everyone scores like 120 a game. I miss the 105-100 games. No defense all offense. Scoring is supposed to be hard not easy. Would be like in football the score is always 40-35. Would be like wow it’s so easy to score why can’t they score all the time?

I think it's the Nike Jersey. The inaugural season it was wore was 2016-2017. 😅

In short, defense is an after thought in today's game

All I want is the all star games to be more competitive. That’s all

How about the freedom of movement rule in 2018?

Numbers dont matter really.. getting 20 pts when league avg for a game is 80-90 is equivalent of getting 35 when your team scores 140. Only it was much harder to get the 20 than the 35. No hand check? Ok. Can carry and palm now? Ok. Can travel at will? Ok. It's actually pretty sad there's no one that can average 50. Pretty sure most from before could whenever you factor in you can walk uncontested to the hoop or just scream and wave like a Karen and get 20 fts a game.

That's what I've been saying for the longest Jordan doesn't get 6 rings in this era it's a different league

Video title should be renamed, this video only having 50K views is a CRIMINAL. Title should be "2023-44 Pistons are better than 2015-6 elite teams like Warriors (73-9) and Spurs (67-15) ------------ Evolution is crazy man, NBA players really too good these days. Everyone saying there's no defense nowadays not realizing that even while guarding their 5th man, you close up and it's a backdoor BUT if you slack off just a little it's a 3.. And that's from their 5th man. Previous eras you'll hide your stars on defense guarding their 3rd man or something (which usually just stand still at the 3pt or in the 2 area). A lot of ways to conserve energy but now.. The "worse" team is as efficient as the 73-9 Warriors.. I don't wanna hear they don't play defense no more BS. Offense is just way too good now.

6:05 This is the one and only statement that I disagree with. They were all great players. That Chicago Bulls team(s) from the GM to the role players were perfect. I don't think T-Mac, VC, or even AI got that kinda help.

They should bring the handcheck back

Feel like your 6’3” guard is slowly going away guards are getting bigger. Eventually the day will come where the entire league is Chets vs Wembys. Anyone under 6’10” might have to find their own league, but who knows I’m high.

Need to change the rules again

I WAS FOOKING RIGHT ABOUT EMBIID WE SHOULDVE TRADED HIM ONCE HE WON THE MVP 😭😭

God I feel so bad for Murray lol

I mean, also nowadays, the NBA referees have been officiating really badly and also really poorly at times I mean Jalen Brunson literally gets hit in the face so many times and they don’t even bother calling it on the other team and it’s absolutely baffling. And how the officiating has been this season

Can we have 19-18 scores again for the entire game?

Let's be real now. Since the offense explosion is insane and disgusting to watch this season and teams are so "talented and better" right? Let's see if this theory holds up. Let's go back to mid to late 2000s era. You expect me to believe that the 2024 Pacers, Pistons, Nets, Kings, Thunder etc are competing for the best records and for a championship with this style of play that's plaguing the NBA? ESPECIALLY in the 2000s West?? If you can look at your phone, computer, tablet etc reading this with a straight face and tell me that teams are as elite as what we grew up with from the 2000s-2010s then I've lost all faith in humanity.

What can they do to limit offenses? How about whistle the travelling? Also the defensive 3 seconds is total BS. It should be the defender's decision where to place itself,not a rule especially considering that anyone shoots 3s

I don’t mind the offensive explosion. The league could tone back on defensive rules though. Just let the game develop itself, laissez-faire.

this is why curry influences more than lbj . lbj just only influence players making it soft like load management and flopping

We are at a halfway point, between 2016 and Kobe’s untimely death. Let that sink in

the offense has become so good now that it becomes easy to score. It is no longer exciting to watch players score because they do it very easily.

Pretty sure in 2013 only 8 players averaged over 20

the most of the fouls and ref points are bad as they do not factor foul baiting defences trying to avoid that in 2016 fouls were much more physical when they were called u can not argue that the league is less physical and it is due to refs and rule that facilitate offence and stops defenders from stopping momentum or movement

Refs allow players to carry the ball tremendously . NBA is low key falling off

great content! based on facts and no bias! this is how sports media should be!