I miss your videos Nick. I hope you're testing and tinkering on things where ever you are 🎉

Hey Nick, I´ve waiting for you long time....... thanks for testing these motors

Excellent review. Glad I found your channel!

Impressive review and analysis. Thanks!

I've been waiting for you to review these, not seen another v4 other than mine.

Damn, I really wish I'd discovered these motors a week ago! Just bought a skyrc ares 13.5, being a budget motor, but these are the same price, if not less, and absolutely destroy them! Damn it! Looks like I shall have to get one anyway haha

Great video thx for that 😍👍 To have more high end top speed it's good to turn up or turn down the setting from the motor ring? Thx it's mich appreciated much love and respect from Germany 👍

Nice, thanks for your working from Cologne Germany

hi nick adams! this is a very helpful video. it really helps me in buying a motor. is it possible to have your table for the 13.5 ones? Thanks a lot nick!

Dear Nick, I would like to ask you if you still consider the Surpass Rocket v4s 13.5t one of the best choices for stock 13.5 racing? Would you advice buying it vs a reedy or xerun ?

Hi Nick, First of all thanks for your very instructive videos :) But I've one question, for you which 13.5T motors has the best value for money (DTM class, indoor carpet) you've recently test ? Thanks again :)

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. If you can get the Surpass V4S , it is the best and the cheapest. I use it in my touring car.

Hi Nick! Thank you for such informative videos, I have learned A LOT! I have a a question about the so called "outlaw" motors. My local track have a boosted class on 17.5T and everybody uses the Hobbywing Outlaw motor. They are quite fast on boosted mode but not so much in blinky. Based on your research I see that most of all these new crop of 17.5 motors have way more KV and RPM than the HW Outlaw and also the new Trinity "Punisher" motor. Is there anything special or different on the "outlaw" motors? Can I use any of your most recently tested motors (R1, SMC, Surpass etc.) for a boosted application? Thanks in advance for your feedback.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Miguel. The Outlaw motors outperform "SPEC" motors of the same wind, as they have more powerful "Mod" rotors and low resistance staor windings. It is a mystery to me why we cannot uprate the "SPEC" specifications to allow these better motors, without any increase in cost. The Outlaw motors usually have very strong magnet rotors, which results in the low KV, but a lot of torque. ESC boost makes up for the lack of RPM. Most motors can be used for Boost, but you must turn the motor endbell timing down to about 30-40 degrees, if you use a lot of boost/turbo.

Surpass makes great stuff. Good video!

I planned to get this v4S of 8.5t Mod + Rocket 120A ESC. Would these is good for 1/10 shaft touring? I want put into MST XXX-R touring

Are any good for rock crawler? Some really slow and with a nice torque modulation. Thanks

I got the black & gold V4, I knew I should have waited, must be a like a pre -production version

hi thanks for the great video. is there any videos I can learn how to assess a second hand motor?

Hi Nick, great review of the V4s, Thanks! Now that you've had time to run the motor a while, How has the motor performed on the track compared to the Monster Horsepower and R1, etc.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jesse. On fast long tracks The R1 still has the edge, but I use the Surpass and it is very close. Smaller tracks ,other high torque motors like the Motiv are also close. Im not sure about Monster. I want to test the new Trinity XFactor.

Hi Nick, impressive review and analysis.. any esc recommendation for those motor? Thanks

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. I recommend the Hobbywing range of ESC. Also the Tekin and LRP. Others have less braking force when used with these motors.

Hi Nick, great videos, I’m setting up a 13.5 surpass v4s for gt12, shall I set it up at 8.4v and 6a? Or 8a? Or can I run the analyser on 4.2v (analyser arrives soon) Thanks

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Alex You can try the analyzer on 4.2V. My display is too faint to read. The amps will be about 4.5A at that voltage. With higher voltage, the KV should remain fairly consistent at 8 V, as it is the rpm/volts. The Rpm will be higher with higher voltage, but KV remains the same. Higher amps result in higher motor temperature. 6 amps is a good compromise. It will only take a small increae in timing to jump to 8 amps. So check motor temp after a run, and gear for the higher revs.

Question for you I've just ordered one of these from yourself to get the most out of it would you suggest changing the gear ratio from what I used in a Motiv MCR and if so which way? Also do you tune motors differently for 1s and 2s use or is the overall goal the same 6A?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Justin. It is best to tune a 1S motor as a 2S, since it will draw less current at the optimum point and runs less efficient,so is prone to overheating. The Surpass has equal bottom end torque to the MCR, but a better high end rpm. So gearing the same will give the same acceleration but a higher top speed. Or you can gear with a smaller pinion (lower mm per rev) and get more acceleration and a cooler motor.

Just throughing this out there thinking about the difference in the shaft lengths maybe the gold is more for offroad buggies maybe that's also why it has higher torque an made difference since it would be in a harsher course then onroad so it can be easier to clean dirt out or let the dirt go through motor easier

Is the price of these really around the $30-40??..... what is a trusty source to buy them? (Hobby 13.5 2wd buggy racer :) )

The V4's have surpassed my expectations 😂

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Good one

hi nick , for the v4s 13.5 what FDR for touring blinky outdoor medium size track? and compare with the v5r there are to much differences?

@nickadams5411

3 жыл бұрын

There is not much difference, the V5R has better cooilng, so FDR of 4.5 for outdoor fast. If motor too hot try up to 5.0

Nick, great review, thank you. How do these motors compare to the Surpass V3. Is it worth paying the extra for the V4?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Steven. Yes, the V4 is a great step up in performance. Due to the latest low resistance stator, collector, stronger rotor and improved cooling holes.

@stevend12

5 жыл бұрын

Great stuff. Thank you Nick.

Hi Nick, love your vids. I have a quick question about EVEN wound motors. Are they different or more powerful? Something about wye vs. Delta wound

Is there anyway you can upload your results online so we can compare all these brands? Your work is very impressive.

@brich2929

4 жыл бұрын

@nick adams

You rated the kv of the 17.5 red and black at 3688 but sellers are rating it around 2400? Why is that? Is there a possibility of different grade motors out there?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jared. I believe most manufacturers rate their motors at 0 degree advance timing on the end bell. So the KV will be very low , but the same in either rotation. I have tuned, so that the advance is about 50 degrees (anti clockwise rotation). So the KV is much higher. It is more accurate to compare at a set amp draw (6 amp) as it includes the efficiency of the motor. Motors with higher KV when set the same (0degree or 6amps) will have the higher top speed , when geared correctly. I hope that helps.

Hi Nick, 1 question...I bought the surpass rocket v4s 13.5 turn and 10.5 turn motors. They are both awesome powerful motors. Did you notice if they had ceramic bearings, when you took the motors apart? There's one site stating they have ceramic bearings but I was not quite sure. Thanks for the great work. 👍.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Scot. I saw that about Ceramic bearings as well. I have not taken a bearing out, but will have to check.

@scotmcparland8435

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 Thank you. I think it was surpassracing.com...who is a supplier in the United States. However on surpass home site they don't mention ceramic bearing so I was just wondering. Thanks again.

Which ESC would you recomend for blinky racing? I currently use the Hobbywing XERUN XR10 JustStock ESC. Thanks

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi David. The Hobbywing are the best. The JustStock is okay for 17.5T. You will get a little more power and brakes from the Stock Spec or the Pro version.

@Team-Fraser

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 thanks Nick, I'll take a look at those :)

just wondering, does the 6 Amp timing setting apply to 21.5 and mod motors ? i remember a while back you were mentioning for 21.5 around 5.0 - 5.5 Amps....thanks.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. The 21.5T motors have a high winding resistance, which results in a high running temperature. Therefore the setting current has to be lower. The 21.5T needs very good fan cooling, and the temperature after a run should not exceed about 79C

Nice review of these! However, is there any chance these will be legal in ROAR events? Looks like a great motor though. Would like to try it out eventually.

@jrmayun

5 жыл бұрын

In their site, it says ROAR and IFMAR compliance. Dunno if that means they just made specs to be compliant or they're actually legal.

@BoneYard-

5 жыл бұрын

@@jrmayun they passed about 2 weeks ago from this post.

So are they pretty torquey? My track is pretty short with a couple 30 or 40 foot straights and I mainly just need torque. Since these are only 80 bucks I might have to grab myself one

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

Hi. The latest version of the Surpass V5R is very torquey, and is suited to smaller tracks. And price is still lower than others. Race on. Nick

you mentioned these motors are good for indoor and not outdoor. i was wondering why ? is it because of the big holes and dust can get in easier ? if so then would the V3 be better for outdoor ?. thanks.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi, The main reason is that the V4S has a higher top end rpm, making it useful for outdoor where the tracks tend to be bigger, with longer straights. If the indoor track had a fast long section, then the V4S would be best. Both have excellent bottom end torque fror acceleration. Most top competition motors have large cooling holes, but dust and dirt does not normally cause a problem on competition circuits, which tend to be clean.

Very good review... Question how did you get the stator out of the can? Thanks for you assistance.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. Most stators are a push fit in the case sleeve, and the tightness can vary. With the latest cans with a lot of cutouts, some can be loose and just fall out. Because of this, some Manufacturers have started glueing them in. Because the loose ones rattle and buzz like a bee. Racers have often wondered where the buzzing sound was coming from. When that happens, glue the stator to the case with some epoxy or superglue.

@hobbyexpo9668

5 жыл бұрын

Nick Adams Did your V4S 17.5 stators come out easy or did you have to use a little bit of heat?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. The stators pushed out by hand. Sometimes they are tight and are not easily removed. Sometimes they are loose (especially on some other manufacturers) . The loose ones can buzz like a bee, when running the car, which can be very annoying. In that case you will have to glue the stator to the can. Some Manufacturers now glue the stators to the can sleeve, and they cannot be removed.

The new V5R has the same plastic protective film on the collector ring in black rather than the yellow on the V4. Could it be an insulator to prevent the collector touching the can? Would that be a problem if the film was removed and the collector shorted on the can?

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

There is a small clearance gap, but it is also extra protection. The anodising is an insulator, but it could rub through if touching, which would be a problem.

Hi nick. What fdr and amp setting would you reccomend on one of these in 13.5 blinky TC racing as a starting point?

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Matthew. I advise starting at 6 amps , which is good enough for most tracks. FDR will depend on the track, but for a medium to large track start at 4.5 outdoors and 5.0 indoors. Check motor temperature and gear to keep temperature below 70deg C. ie . not too hot to touch after the race.

@MrHipwell1989

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 thanks nick .mine has just arrived, am I better off using the steel screws supplied extra? Or the ones which came in the motor?

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrHipwell1989 Hi Matthew. The alloy screws give a higher rpm, but they can come loose. If they come loose, use the steel screws which can tightened a bit more.

Do you think is a good motor for a drift car? I'm looking to get one but I've been told this motor is good for racing nor drifting. Thanks! Awesome reviews you do

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Rosu. Slow drifting needs a smooth power motor. The Surpass and other race motors have fast acceleration, so may prove jumpy when trying to drift.

@jrmayun

5 жыл бұрын

It's ok bro. I use a motor with a similar strong magnet although I had to up my drive/motor frequency to 32khz to make it smooth.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

@@jrmayun Hi, Thanks for the info. You are the smooth racer.

Good review. Do you think the aluminium timing screws from the gold motor would have been a benefit in the red motor?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi No, those 3 little screws would make no difference, to the perfomance. They are likely to get rounded out.

Nick, can't wait for mine to show up.. Decided to buy after watching this video. Watching you explain the design differences and comparison between the different motors really helps us folk, and thank you for this. From my personal view, there is something special about the aluminum collector and the effect it has on the motor. Watching racers last year with the R1 at my local club, those motors with the collector would pull strong all the time. Racers with an R1 where very hard to catch, even with good consistent driving with an older slower motor. I am hopeful to change the scenario this year, so much so, that I ordered three for myself and two for a fellow racer. In addition, I plan to test the new VS4's with my home made MiniPro! It will have all the same fixings as the original but without all the price! I am not a sponsored racer, but just love the hobby and the competition. This year should be lots of fun, and catch all the action on my channel. Gordon

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Racer. Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I agree the big alum collector makes a huge performance increase. Note: Surpass endbell timing plate. There is a manufacturing fault with some of these. The plate can short the legs on the upper sensor socket. It is easily fixed with a small piece of thin tape over the legs. Undo the 3 screws , pop off the plate, put a piece of tape (I use Sellotape) and refit the plate. I race with the Surpass V4S 17.5T. It has very fast top speed. All the best racing. Nick

@canadianrcs9931

5 жыл бұрын

How are you liking yours?

Having recently started racing again after a 30+ year hiatus I'm really perplexed by the changes in the hobby. One thing that doesn't seem so positive is that stock/spec vs modified is not what it use to be. Stock class was to allow people to run cheaply with a basic untimed brushed motor that was worth $15 and everyone ran the same. Now it seems people need spend more money on stock class to lighten their vehicles than people spend on modified class. Makes entry into the hobby much harder.

Hi nick may i ask why do d motors have 2 sensor plug on it?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Some cars like the 1/12th cannot reach the sensor on the end, but the top edge is easier.

I tried meshing mine the other day, and because the magnet is so strong, I couldn’t get a good feel for the mesh. Any suggestions on how to mesh it and how you can tell it’s nicely meshed?

@nickadams5411

3 жыл бұрын

The mesh between the pinion and spur gear? Hold the pinion and there should be a slight movement of the spur, between the teeth. Some put a thin cigarette paper between the gears, and then when paer is removed the mesh is good.

@oopster74

3 жыл бұрын

Nick Adams done it earlier. It’s the v5. I know how to mesh a motor, but it just wasn’t feeling right because the magnet is so strong in it. Omg it is so powerful!

How much torque is there on this motor ? I want to install 2 of those on a Baby Stroller... ;) Can it drive it up the hill ?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael They have high torque, but are also very high revs KV~ 3000(KV= revsx100per volt) You will need to reduce the revs by a gear box. A motor with a low KV rating but high torque would be better.

Did you address "ROAR Legal" aspects, might have missed it? That aspect is pretty important to racer dudes. I see they are advertised "Built to comply" but that is not the same as approved.

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

Hi. I did not look at the latest ROAR legal aspects. I will do that next time. The rules also differ in the variouc Countries around the World. Here in the UK, they are homologated by the BRCA, and in Europe by EFRA. Which will have different criteria. All the best and Race to Win. Nick

Hi is The Surpass 13.5turn a Good Motor for 60€ and for indor Tracks can you post the results from the Rocket V4 thx Manuel from Austria

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. The V4 and V4S have high strength rotors, which makes them very good for indoors. The V4S has higher top end performance, suited for larger longer straights and outdoors. All the best, Nick

@manuel39164

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 thx Good luck Manuel

Love your videos. Live here in San Diego California. I tell everybody at SDRC about your Channel. Can you recommend an online shopping site to buy this motor, the red 13.5 turn? I've looked everywhere online and they are running about $85 US. Is this the going price?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Scot As the motor is so good, sellers have increased the price. $85 is about £65 here in the UK it is the cheapest. I am not sure where else you can get it less than $ 85.

@scotmcparland8435

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 Ok... On eBay they are all coming from China. Is Surpass a chinese company? And on Amazon I only found one US company selling it. If you know of a website selling in the USA please let me know in reply. I would love to try this motor. Thank you for all your great videos.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

@@scotmcparland8435 Hi. Yes they are a Chinese company, and make motors for quite a few branded names. I do not know about the USA but you can buy them from Banggood in Hong Kong.

@darkdragontear46

5 жыл бұрын

@@scotmcparland8435 I was able to find where you can buy these motors in the USA

@scotmcparland8435

5 жыл бұрын

@@darkdragontear46 Hi William, I actually bought one for $70 on Amazon with prime delivery last month. I am very happy with the motor. I got one with a strong rotor with lots of torque. 😁

Curious Nick what cars do you drive?

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Robert. I have been driving radio control cars since about 1978 (1/12th Jerobee, etc). Now , 1/10th T/C XRay T4, Yokomo, and mini T/C, LMP etc. Also electric boats. Race on. Nick

Wondering if you'll ever test the Bandit g2 motors.

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi I would like to test the Hobbywing Bandit, just to compare with the Race Legal versions. Most Competitions only allow the legal versions: Due to extremely high-spec product, BANDIT motor isn't compliant with ROAR, IFMAR, BRCA and JMRCA rules.

@jrmayun

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I was thinking it probably wasn't on your to-do list since it's basically illegal in most races but hearing that you actually want to is surely nice.

Great review. Too bad V4 seem to be 50% more than the price of the V3.

Any info on how the Rocket version 3 compares to the V4S?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Stone There is quite a difference between the V3 and V4S. Besides the cosmetic and improved cooling. The improved stator and collector has increased the top speed without compromising the low end torque. The standard V4 is more like the V3.

@stone10473

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Your knowledge on these racing brushless motors is the best I’ve seen. Thank YOU!!

I have the red an black 21.5 an is very strong in my touring car setup for usgt

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi William. Thanks for the info.

Hi Nick. I wonder if you might help me with something please. I was watching your "Watkins WEM Dominators. Evolution 1960 to 1970s" and as you seem to know a lot about WEM amps I was wondering if you could tell me what the speaker is in my 1974 WEM Dominator MkIII is. Its the one with the big square lump of metal around the magnet (or is that the magnet I'm not sure?). It doesn't have a label or any info on it that I can see. I've looked around on the internet and I can see pics of it but I can't find out anything else about it, who made it etc. I'd be very grateful if you can identify it for me, thanks. My name is Nick too btw. :) Here's a pic of it ... www.chambonino.com/routework/routewk13d.jpg

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi That is called a Horseshoe magnet. Alnico. It is normally has a cover which hides it. Better known versions are the Celestion Blue Bulldog. Also Jensen made speakers with Horseshoe manets, as did Fisher and PJ , CTS and others. I do not know what make yours is, and doubt it was the original speaker, but who knows in those days they fitted what they could get. I need to see the cone side to maybe identify. It is a 12" size?. If the coil/ cone is good , it should be very responsive with a great tone. Have a look at this one: www.nzguitars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30011

@fishypaw

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Nick. Thank you for replying. It looks different from the one you linked to. I took the speaker out tonight and took six pics which I've uploaded to my G+ plus page (link below). The only things I can see on it are "16Ω" and what looks like a hand written "93" both on the back of the cone. On the metal below the magnet it has the letters "PA" stamped on it. And it's a 12" speaker. Here is the link to the images (if you click on them you should be able to zoom in) ... plus.google.com/u/0/108170585332719919303/posts/ekEkuBdqFe6

@fishypaw

5 жыл бұрын

P.S. It really is a great sounding speaker, that's the main reason I would like to know what it is so I can try source more or similar if possible.

@fishypaw

5 жыл бұрын

I think I've found it. On the WEM Owners Club website they say Charlie probably used Peerless speakers, amongst others, and the pictures on their site look like a good match for mine. Links below. If you enlarge the pic on the second link, it has the same markings on the speaker. wem-owners.com/cabs/drivers/peerless-drivers/ wem-owners.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/inside.jpg

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

I did search around the internet, but could not find one that looked identical. Yours has a small voice coil which is okay for PA (voice) but not great for guitar, but still will deliver good tone.

Ever tested the sky rc cheetah ones?

@nickadams5411

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Roger. The Sky Cheetah motors are special waterproof ones, with no adjustments. They are made for buggies etc. I have not tested them for competition racing.

Can you compare the reedy S+ torque to this surpass rocket 🚀 V4s motors

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Robert. I did test the Reedy S Plus motors some time ago. Thjey are good, but suffer from overheating in some races, due to the lack of air cooling slots. The exposed stator is good, but resulted in a lack of cooling holes for the windings. I would say the Surpass is better

@bobcar1972

5 жыл бұрын

Nick Adams Sorry to correct you but reedy have released a brother of the S+ called the S+ torque

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

@@bobcar1972 Hi, i will keep a look out for it.

Is the 10.5t suitable for a crawler?

@nickadams5411

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dennis. Not the best choice as lower rev motors such as 21.5T are easier to gear slowly. But if you set the timing on the motor to 0 degree and gear for lowest speed it will have the torque. All the best crawling. Nick

@dennisbeekelaar1397

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 hello Nick, thanks for the reply. I always thought...for crawling, low turn, high KV. Am i wrong, or does it also depends on the motor? Since this is sensored i thought it has more control.

@nickadams5411

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennisbeekelaar1397 Hi Dennis. I am not a crawler, so you should be able to get the answer from a forum. But as you say, a high rev would be good as long as you can gear it down to a very slow speed. All the best Nick

Nick Adams from Demon Power Products?

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Roger Yes, that is me.

@Roger-nu2ec

5 жыл бұрын

Nick Adams as a kid I used to order parts from you back in the early 90s. Nice to put a face to a name and voice :) great channel keep up the great work!

Ive used a bunch of these that had bearings swapped to ceramic, they were, pun intended, rockets.....

I looked up these motor on the net an found out that they come stock with ceramic bearings both ends an if the bearing near the sensor board goes bad you cant remove the bearing

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi William. Luckily, in my experience, the bearings rarely need replacing.

@darkdragontear46

5 жыл бұрын

@@nickadams5411 same here but I also like to put ceramic bearings in my motor frees it up just alil more making the amp draw drop when put back in same spot as first tested

Do you race RC cars

@nickadams5411

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Crish Yes I race the Xray touring car. I know a lot of racers with all sorts of competition cars.

S = short shaft