Smyth Busters: Can I Thread a Muzzle By Hand?

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Our intrepid Smyth Busters, Brownells Gun Techs Steve Ostrem and Caleb Savant, are back to answer a question they hear fairly often on our Tech Line: Can I thread a muzzle without a lathe? There are tool kits out there that promise you'll be able to cut muzzle threads by hand, and.... Caleb says they're not a good idea. The difficult part is getting the threads accurately aligned with the bore axis. While many of these kits include little alignment gizmos to help you cut the threads accurately, the problem is many barrels are not concentric. If you used one to install a sound suppressor and then checked the result with a suppressor alignment gauge, the bore of the suppressor would not align with the bore of the rifle. Steve points out there is ONE exception: AK barrels. And he explains why you can hand-thread an AK / Kalashnikov muzzle. The only way to do it correctly on other guns is with a lathe. So the myth that you can thread a muzzle by hand is BUSTED. Rather than buy that crude threading tool that isn't going to work anyway, the money is better spent on hiring a professional gunsmith or machinist to do the job right.

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  • @brucechynoweth
    @brucechynoweth3 жыл бұрын

    You sold me the tools years ago, and NOW you say it is Not the way, WTH ?

  • @Alex76254R

    @Alex76254R

    2 ай бұрын

    😂 the salesman at it again!

  • @bookiefpv

    @bookiefpv

    23 күн бұрын

    Used car salesmen.

  • @wyattroberson21
    @wyattroberson213 жыл бұрын

    An annular cutter and brass center pin will make a perfect shoulder and make it concentric with the bore.

  • @Bayerische.Motoren.Werke.

    @Bayerische.Motoren.Werke.

    2 жыл бұрын

    Brownells been awfully quite since this comment dropped

  • @spellcheckforyou

    @spellcheckforyou

    2 жыл бұрын

    I used the threading kit from CNC warriors. Annular cutter with a centering pin in the bore followed by a die with a centering pin, all with hand drills. I put on a muzzle device with a griffin taper mount, mounted an 8" suppressor and used an alignment rod to check concentricity and it was absolutely perfect. I was amazed.

  • @mccwho

    @mccwho

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly correct. Basic machining equipment. Brownells just doesn't want the liability so say it can't be done. Thus mislead a lot of people.

  • @davidwagner2280

    @davidwagner2280

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol, I came to the comment section to say the same thing. I like a lot of there content, but they can't get pretty snobby sometimes.

  • @blackfrost273industries4

    @blackfrost273industries4

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am interested to learn more of what you speak.

  • @boss350z5
    @boss350z53 жыл бұрын

    You certainly CAN thread a barrel by hand; but you absolutely shouldn't...

  • @Ogrematic

    @Ogrematic

    3 жыл бұрын

    You can drive a car with your feet, it doesn't make it a good idea. Chris Rock.

  • @Nordic_Goon

    @Nordic_Goon

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ogrematic You technically always drive your car with your feet lol.

  • @jdeklute80085
    @jdeklute800853 жыл бұрын

    And here I am just looking at the Astronaut Cat Cup.

  • @AndyCigars

    @AndyCigars

    3 жыл бұрын

    Rumor has it he swapped someone 5,000 rounds of 9mm ammo for that cup.

  • @audikid89
    @audikid893 жыл бұрын

    I use a custom-made annual cutter with a pilot bearing in the center that’s changeable for different bore sizes. After which I thread with a die and alignment tool that also uses the boar to index off of. My shoulder as well as thread major diameter are always within spec this way regardless of barrel concentricity

  • @denniscraig6022
    @denniscraig60223 жыл бұрын

    Some things take special equipment and a person that knows how to use it

  • @EtherFox

    @EtherFox

    3 жыл бұрын

    This video: "You guys are probably as dumb as we are, so don't do it; we learned the hard way..."

  • @chapo1855
    @chapo18553 жыл бұрын

    I’ve threaded three 6.5CM by hand already and they shoot awesome.

  • @CantoniaCustoms

    @CantoniaCustoms

    Жыл бұрын

    Thread cocentricity only really matters I'd you got a massive honkin suppressor on it.

  • @georgeosborn3553
    @georgeosborn35533 жыл бұрын

    Kinda funny how the " I'm a professional " one's out there tell you that it's not a good idea and it'll get screwed up and have a machinist shop do the work . If your not mechanically inclined , then yes , pay and have a shop do the work , as far as the barrel cutting and tapping not being centered with the barrel on the inside , that's what the guides are for , to keep the tool's aligned with the center . It's a matter of taking your time and useing the right tools and having patience. Now if it were one of my high end firearms then I'd have a shop do the work vrs a cheaper .22 that I'll do myself.

  • @onionhead5780
    @onionhead57803 жыл бұрын

    Annular cut barrel with barrel alignment guide. Then use the thread alignment die starter tool and thread the barrel. When finished check with a suppressor alignment check rod. I’ve done maybe a dozen and no issues. Either I’ve been lucky or it works.

  • @jdog0393

    @jdog0393

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've done a few guns like that no problem. Just a sharp half inch annular cutter, a barrel alignment guide for what ever caliber you're working and a 1/2 by 28 tap. And a pair of calipers and a file just to make sure everything's even. Done a few 22 lr, 556, and 9mm that way.

  • @onionhead5780

    @onionhead5780

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jdog0393 Yep. I’ve got the Brownells crowning kit so full disclosure I have had to clean up the crown on at least one that I remember. Could have been more but can’t recall.

  • @housekilla457
    @housekilla4573 жыл бұрын

    So what you’re saying is, that the precision machined parts need to be precision machined?

  • @ytafshin
    @ytafshin3 жыл бұрын

    I thread my own by hand. I hand the barrel to a gunsmith.

  • @brownells

    @brownells

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well played...

  • @MAGAMAN

    @MAGAMAN

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL

  • @paulvenn4447

    @paulvenn4447

    3 жыл бұрын

    I bet that got a smile out of Caleb haha

  • @docholliday3273

    @docholliday3273

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love your comment!!!

  • @thomasschoon8407

    @thomasschoon8407

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brownells: and smartly, and safely 🤔😉

  • @doolay1988
    @doolay19883 жыл бұрын

    I feel like this was a given... but someone out there was about to do the dirty deed. Would love to see some examples.

  • @nathanhudelson4935
    @nathanhudelson49353 жыл бұрын

    Would love to get a suppressor alignment gauge, I’ve done several by hand and they’ve all worked and shot under 1 moa. I do have to use a backup nut because there isn’t a shoulder. I use the CNC warrior kit, it uses special guides and a annular cutter to properly reduce diameter.

  • @jsjostep
    @jsjostep3 жыл бұрын

    I threaded a marlin model 70 by hand. I cut the shoulder back with a center guided annular cutter before threading with a die in an alignment tool. Works well with suppressors. But I do recommend taking a gun that isn’t a test project to a gunsmith.

  • @BadLuckBran
    @BadLuckBran3 жыл бұрын

    You can buy an annular cutter that cuts the barrel to the right diameter and leaves a shoulder to index off of given there is enough difference between starting and finish diameter. Granted, a lathe is still the best option. I've done several both ways and both are fine.

  • @moscowrider

    @moscowrider

    Жыл бұрын

    Can you use metric 12 mm annular cutter for 1/2x28 thread ? Instead of 1/2'' ( 12.7 mm )annular cutter

  • @BadLuckBran

    @BadLuckBran

    Жыл бұрын

    @@moscowrider Potentially but your thread depth would be very shallow; the threads would not have near as much strength. I personally would not try it.

  • @moscowrider

    @moscowrider

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BadLuckBran what if use 13 mm then ? It's just 0.3 mm thicker then required 12.7 . According to some charts maximum OD is 0.510 (12.9mm) looks close to me🤷🏻‍♂️. Gunsmiths charge 300$ for this job.

  • @BadLuckBran

    @BadLuckBran

    Жыл бұрын

    @@moscowrider This would likely be fine as the 1/2-28 die will likely trim it down to size. Just don't expect it to be easy to turn the die by hand haha

  • @damonoswald40
    @damonoswald40 Жыл бұрын

    Ive used the kits, they do work !

  • @irchrisb
    @irchrisb3 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking about trying this on my Mosin 91/30 for a muzzle brake. I'll check with a gunsmith first.

  • @1BXB
    @1BXB3 жыл бұрын

    Good info to know. I assumed DIY threading was a bad idea especially if done for suppressor use but until this video I did not know for sure.

  • @Bayerische.Motoren.Werke.

    @Bayerische.Motoren.Werke.

    2 жыл бұрын

    Buy an annular cutter or look at the other guys on line who've used them and made perfect threaded barrels. These guy are dinosaurs lol

  • @hsing4903

    @hsing4903

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Bayerische.Motoren.Werke. these guys definitely know threading barrels! But it appears after watching it being done by hand BUT WITH 3 PROPER TOOLS it can be done concentric to the bore and that means suppressor safe. And this makes these guys look like dinosaurs and time passed them by. Brownells should redo this video and sell the 3 tools!

  • @ryanstarr1342
    @ryanstarr13423 жыл бұрын

    I have used an annular cutter with caliber specific pilot guide to create a shoulder and then used a die to create threads multiple times with great success. As a caveat, I have never used this for direct thread suppressors, only muzzle breaks

  • @RichardCasto
    @RichardCasto3 жыл бұрын

    Bubba: But... I am an artist with an angle grinder! ;)

  • @eaglethehulk8539

    @eaglethehulk8539

    3 жыл бұрын

    I feel attacked by this.

  • @RichardCasto

    @RichardCasto

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@eaglethehulk8539 Haha. I consider myself to be an artist with an angle grinder as well. :D However, I can just imagine someone saying to themselves. "I can just grind down the diameter and then thread it!" Who needs a lathe! :P

  • @moosemaimer

    @moosemaimer

    3 жыл бұрын

    _angry beaver grinding tool_

  • @theeasternfront6436

    @theeasternfront6436

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RichardCasto You know someone has tried it!

  • @stephenwhittier6439
    @stephenwhittier64393 жыл бұрын

    Thanks again !

  • @Runzwith_Booze
    @Runzwith_Booze3 жыл бұрын

    This is not completely true. An annular cutter with the correct I.D. and bore alignment tool will simultaneously reduce the OD of the barrel to proper size while cutting concentric to the bore and creating a shoulder for the muzzle device to index off of. It can even be used in a battery drill with an adapter and turned at low rpm with plenty of cutting oil. (Cut a water bottle in half and tape it to the barrel to catch shavings and oil) Then you can introduce the threading die with bore alignment tool and thread until proper timing with your desired muzzle device is achieved. I’ve used this method multiple times since I can neither afford a lathe, nor have the want for someone else to do my gun work. Research until safe.

  • @jdfriar
    @jdfriar3 жыл бұрын

    I respectfully disagee. I have a very good technique. I have used it on non concentric barrels. It requires patience and skill to do right but it is possible. It is very helpful on rifles where the barrel is difficult to remove or if you needed to work in the field. I will grant that hand cut threads do not look as nice as machined. But the fit and function is there. the tool to reduce the diameter of the barrel was 90$ for just the cutter. Another 50$ for the brass pilot and tool holder.

  • @RememberPele

    @RememberPele

    3 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. If you are ever motivated to make a video on your process i would watch it.

  • @benevolenthighwayman882

    @benevolenthighwayman882

    3 жыл бұрын

    I hand threaded a 5/8 od barrel by hand to 1/2-20 with hand files (bastard, flat mill and then thread cutting) and sanding blocks (no dies) in high school metal shop to get a good grade on filing technique. The muzzle brake was tapped on a lathe with a tap holder and taps.

  • @RememberPele

    @RememberPele

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@benevolenthighwayman882 sounds slick. must've had a good shop instructor to let you do that in a HS class

  • @patrickc1508

    @patrickc1508

    3 жыл бұрын

    They didn’t say that it couldn’t be done, just that it never ends well. You’re never going to be able to guarantee that the threads are concentric to the bore. You aren’t going to be able to get the shoulder perfectly square to the bore. It might be “good nuff”, but it isn’t worth even trying it. It may be good enough to thread on a muzzle brake or flash hider, but I wouldn’t even think about throwing a suppressor on hand cut threads. I’m nervous about baffle strikes for the first few shots on a cheap factory threaded barrel. For what you spent, you could have had two barrels professionally threaded. Why take the chance? Why dramatically decrease your gun’s value? Even on something like a $100 .22lr, you’re wasting your gun’s potential value. A $100 .22lr with hand cut threads is probably going to sell for $50-$60. A $100 .22lr with professional threading, is going to be worth at least $125-150. Some will pay a little extra for a threaded barrel. Most will pay significantly less for something that’s been bubba’d.

  • @jdfriar

    @jdfriar

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@patrickc1508 It is funny how machinists respond. Im a professional gunsmith. You are wrong about how accurate hands can be. All just skill, good eyes, and careful slow work. And your wrong about baffle strikes btw. I have done 15 + barrels with the tools, No complaints. Highpower rifles and all manner of muzzle accessories no problem...

  • @johnstewart8849
    @johnstewart88493 жыл бұрын

    Ok...now that it’s down to 1/2” x 28, can I crown the muzzle that’s left? Worth doing??

  • @versoarmamentcompany
    @versoarmamentcompany2 жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @RobinP556
    @RobinP5563 жыл бұрын

    I agree and this has nothing to do with the question at hand, but where did you get the space force/cat coffee mug?

  • @Kau75

    @Kau75

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s listed on EBay...Kennedy Space Center Cats Space Suits Prints of Tails Coffee Mug Cup 😎🌺🌈🤙🏽

  • @buckweatable
    @buckweatable3 жыл бұрын

    Obviously I'm going to have to turn the muzzle down to the diameter for the thread and create a shoulder for the muzzle device but can I run a die over it while it's in the lathe or is single point threading recommended for it.

  • @looloo6322
    @looloo63222 жыл бұрын

    I had my SCAR 17 barrel cut and re-threaded, then pin and welded the muzzle break which was threaded for my suppressor. It was the best $150 I ever spent.

  • @billutterback3036
    @billutterback30363 жыл бұрын

    cut down a gi profile ar barrel from 16 to 10 and the turned down portion of the barrel is perfect for 5/8x24 thread. used an alignment tool, worked out ok. But for the most part a lathe is a good idea.

  • @frigzy3748
    @frigzy37483 жыл бұрын

    I was hoping for an attempted thread cutting

  • @extremebreedscatlife
    @extremebreedscatlife3 жыл бұрын

    If you use the annular cutter first to cut down the diameter then thread it, it works fine

  • @vinayakverma4327
    @vinayakverma43275 ай бұрын

    Hi, can you please advice if i can get my Rem 783 in 308 barrel threaded? any replies will be very highly appreciated.

  • @KevinFleuret
    @KevinFleuret3 жыл бұрын

    Not a horrible video and I enjoy the series, but your play on myth busters should obligate you too bringing some actual data to the table. I would have liked to see you take barrels that had some other issue, so that you don't waste a barrel, and try to turn them by hand and show the issues that result.

  • @drostly3220
    @drostly32202 жыл бұрын

    I hand cut a 300 WM with hand saw, used tools I bought from Brownells and put a muzzle break on it.. 22" barrel now and its an absolute tac driver.. Would do it again.. Note though.. I crowned the face with he target barrel bevel before doing the annular cut.. Has the kick of a 243-308 range.. If you have a 24 inch pencil barrel and it sprays them outside your MOA... It will tighten that up!

  • @af22raptor23503
    @af22raptor235032 жыл бұрын

    You mentioned that you cannot do threads without the use of a Lathe because of the need to get the Barrel Outer Diameter to be within the Correct Diameter for the Threading need it but what if an ANNULAR CUTTER with the Proper Caliber Guide is used to KEEP the Cutter Straight? Is this setup a PROPER WAY to CUT Threads on a Barrel without the use of a LATHE?

  • @abelleu7551
    @abelleu75513 жыл бұрын

    That would depend on your intentions with that barrel in my opinion. I have no issues turning down to the right diameter, thread and crown a barrel by hand if I plan on only using a flash hider, small single chamber brake or one of a larger caliber if it’s a longer muzzle device. If I’d be building something more precision oriented, mount a silencer,.... I most definitely would send that barrel to be threaded by a competent gunsmith and have them mount and check alignment on the muzzle device that will be on the barrel.

  • @EtherFox

    @EtherFox

    3 жыл бұрын

    This video: "You guys are probably as dumb as we are, so don't do it; we learned the hard way..."

  • @JenkinsStevenD
    @JenkinsStevenD3 жыл бұрын

    I have worked on a fair number of space programs and deal a lot with geometric dimensioning and tolerancing (GD&T). In short, the datum for thread cutting is a non-physical bore center for thread cutting whereas a die uses the exterior of the barrel as a datum. It is a bad idea and if you attach a suppressor to those threads, you could get a baffle strike which could be WAY more expensive than just buying a new threaded barrel.

  • @Suntzu5817

    @Suntzu5817

    3 жыл бұрын

    As a machinist for over 10 years, I can confirm what you just said. Thanks.

  • @pbayers

    @pbayers

    3 жыл бұрын

    I believe the crowd of folks that would be interested in threading a muzzle by hand are the "solvent trap adapter" gang.. they don't care too much about concentricty, as it won't make much difference to them.

  • @curt2742

    @curt2742

    3 жыл бұрын

    You could index off the bore with a cutting tool using a guide rod inserted in the barrel, make a concentric cut to remove any excess material, then cut the threads. Not sure any tool exists to do that, but a determined individual could pull it off. Seems easier to use a lathe though.

  • @chassoto
    @chassoto3 жыл бұрын

    Can't you just drill out the threads on the muzzle device and JBWeld it to the barrel?

  • @frigzy3748

    @frigzy3748

    3 жыл бұрын

    I really doubt JBWeld will survive heat and temperature expansion of barrel and muzzle device. It would be a good episode for Project Farm though.

  • @wockawocka5293
    @wockawocka52934 ай бұрын

    As a certified gunsmith myself, I respectfully disagree with this. I agree that most probably shouldn't but to anyone with the knowledge and skill, there is no reason you shouldn't if you want to. I hand threaded and AR barrel chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I used a 16" M4 profiled barrel that I had cut down to 12" and so the "M4" profile for the 203 launcher attachment happended to be the correct diameter for the thread. 5/8-24" (.308) muzzle device. Anyways, turned out great, including the crown I did and most important, the accuracy was spot on. 1" at 100 yards with steel cased Wolf out of 12" barrel is acceptable I'd say. But to the point, most people probably shouldn't and I could have certainly messed up and ruined a barrel.

  • @johnanderson3475
    @johnanderson34752 жыл бұрын

    you can use annular cutter to get that shoulder. still wouldnt trust a long suppressor on it though.

  • @Siskiyous6
    @Siskiyous63 жыл бұрын

    In all honesty, everyone interested in gun work should buy a lathe. The most challenging muzzle thread I have done is for an SU-16, where you can not remove the barrel from the action. It was done in a lathe, but I turned the work in back gears with my slowest setting to get my OD while holding the rear of that polymer action in a 4 jaw. I only started the thread single point. I finished it with a die. It also turned out to be a long thread to get back to a shoulder because the barrel OD was pretty closed to the finished OD. And I was careful not shorten the 16 inch barrel. In all honesty I like the SU-16 far better than any of my AR's, but that does not mean it is "better", just that I like the gun's ergonomics, weight, and features.

  • @jonathansmith7306
    @jonathansmith73063 жыл бұрын

    I once tried to thread my mak-90. Got halfway and realized I had ruined it. Still shoots fine, but has an ugly and weird step

  • @jeffduncan7685

    @jeffduncan7685

    2 жыл бұрын

    Send me the gun and I will see if I can fix it for you, just pay the return shipping. Look me up, Texas Precision Guns, Karnes City/Kenedy, TX. I am a certified Gunsmith, I hate to hear and see guns done badly. I use a G0824 Lathe and PTG Range Rods, and high quality inserts for my tooling.

  • @lcifermorningstar191

    @lcifermorningstar191

    2 жыл бұрын

    Takes a big man to admit his mistakes. I would nickname your rifle the: Scar-90

  • @xDaGmanx
    @xDaGmanx3 жыл бұрын

    I really want to see a video on shot chokes and slugs / buckshot!

  • @kosuke7995
    @kosuke7995 Жыл бұрын

    Curious, is it possible to thread a female side like for example: a Surefire Muzzle Brake in 1/2x28 to 15x1 RH? Another question is, is there a tool other than a lathe that could do that?

  • @cj599
    @cj5999 ай бұрын

    what about on a manual lathe witch i have i can make a shoulder easy but mine does not have feeds to thread

  • @of-Israel

    @of-Israel

    6 ай бұрын

    The annular cutter will index flush

  • @jjjeddy
    @jjjeddy2 жыл бұрын

    I’m not sure how much faith I have in your advice after watching this video.

  • @Radvous
    @Radvous3 жыл бұрын

    I use a STEEL FILE TO CUT MY OWN THREADS, kidding.

  • @lifepolicy
    @lifepolicy3 жыл бұрын

    Is it by hand when I operate a lathe manually?

  • @christopherrobin8134

    @christopherrobin8134

    3 жыл бұрын

    Only if you pedal the chuck like a bike

  • @Ogrematic
    @Ogrematic3 жыл бұрын

    I took shop in high school, and we learned how to properly use lathes, milling machines, surface grinders, etc. If I had the proper equipment I could do it. But I would never attempt this by hand.

  • @montycrain5783
    @montycrain57832 жыл бұрын

    I have a L1A1 inch pattern FAL. The muzzle threads are 9/16x24 RH. The muzzle brake I want to use is Mic McPherson’s L.A.W. muzzle brake that Pacific Tool and Guage sells. It has a 5/8x32 .318 ID.I assume it to be LH. Do you or anyone sell a adapter for the different size ? I don’t believe CNCWarrior does though they have one for most every other size. .

  • @xochj
    @xochj2 жыл бұрын

    Ha, loved this one!

  • @jimyeats
    @jimyeats2 жыл бұрын

    Huh. Ive done two barrels by using a pilot guided annular cutter, pilot guided die, and crowning tool and they have come out perfect. Use multiple suppressors on them. I don’t understand how they couldn’t come out concentric if everything you’re doing is using a pilot in the bore. I watched this video thinking you were going to say, “sure you can do it by hand”. Interesting.

  • @richard9436

    @richard9436

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah especially since they sell the tools to do it by hand.

  • @mmgee
    @mmgee3 жыл бұрын

    There is no better way to trash out a good barrel than to mess up the muzzle/crown

  • @elsullo2
    @elsullo23 жыл бұрын

    I can attest to the statement that barrels are often "not concentric." Back in the last century I was troubled by a clan of opossums that lived under my floor. So I had an expert machinist thread my quality Remington .22 barrel for possum medicine. The bore was straight, but the barrel had a pronounced curve, only found out by the rotating lathe! Oddly, the possums were psychic, and by the time I brought that barrel home---they had disappeared............................elsullo

  • @TRIIGGAVELLI
    @TRIIGGAVELLI3 жыл бұрын

    If you could thread your own barrel you certainly have more knowledge and tooling than I'll ever have.

  • @pacman10182

    @pacman10182

    Жыл бұрын

    either that makes me a genius or you an idiot you pick

  • @BuceGar
    @BuceGar3 жыл бұрын

    JB Weld has always worked for me.

  • @paulhughes3961
    @paulhughes39613 жыл бұрын

    Why would you want to buy an AR barrel that wasn't threaded in the first place.

  • @knieban
    @knieban3 жыл бұрын

    What if the barrel is cut down to size by hand(drill) with an annular cutter that uses a pilot that goes into the barrel?

  • @boss350z5

    @boss350z5

    3 жыл бұрын

    you'll likely destroy the crown...

  • @onionhead5780

    @onionhead5780

    3 жыл бұрын

    That’s exactly how I’ve done it. Annular cut barrel with barrel alignment guide. Then use the thread alignment die starter tool and thread the barrel. When finished check with a suppressor alignment check rod. I’ve done about a dozen and no issues. Either I’ve been lucky or it works.

  • @jdog0393

    @jdog0393

    3 жыл бұрын

    How would you destroy the crown nothing comes in contact with it. If youre worried about the barrel guide most of them are flat so they never come in contact with the crown after that, and if you still worried about it you can buy aluminum barrel guides.

  • @BanjoZZZ
    @BanjoZZZ3 жыл бұрын

    Caleb is the Tom Brady of gun smithing, and Steve is John Elway.

  • @Ogrematic

    @Ogrematic

    3 жыл бұрын

    New England is not happy brady left.

  • @viewatyourownrisk
    @viewatyourownrisk3 жыл бұрын

    They make equipment to use annular cutters to properly size the OD of barrels for threading, they include a guide that goes in the barrel so that the OD is consistent with the bore. During threading another tool is used to align the die to the bore so that the threads are concentric. Any thoughts on that process?

  • @Gottaculat
    @Gottaculat3 жыл бұрын

    Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

  • @martinrps13
    @martinrps133 жыл бұрын

    So how did they get threaded before lathes were invented?

  • @jimyeats

    @jimyeats

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, lathes were invented in 1751. Not a lot of suppressor and muzzle device hosts were around back then.

  • @StraightRazWhor
    @StraightRazWhor3 жыл бұрын

    So is it ok on akm barrel then? I'm thinking about getting that kit you guys make

  • @EtherFox

    @EtherFox

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's okay on any rifle you only intend to install a loose bore brake or flash hider to. Video is catered by low in for low iq. AKs are not good suppressor hosts because their threads are almost always inconsistent and non-concentric, make your AR like that and it's not a good host either.

  • @StraightRazWhor

    @StraightRazWhor

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@EtherFox i just want slant brake on ak. Woth a locking nut behind it like ultradyne does so it ines up right no matter the threads

  • @reblemanman
    @reblemanman3 жыл бұрын

    I literally just watched a video on this yesterday and there is a different tool to do it and the guy did 100% by hand then I watched one by leith and the guy even said Remington is bad about getting the bore hole center of the barrel so there is that

  • @jesusag24ify
    @jesusag24ify3 жыл бұрын

    What about using a annular cutter?

  • @brettanderson6743
    @brettanderson67433 жыл бұрын

    As a machinist I 100% agree.

  • @kassilewis5511
    @kassilewis55113 жыл бұрын

    A properly fitted pilot on a tight fitted annular cutter will reduce the diameter of the barrel to the major thread pitch. Then using a die starting pilot of the EXACT same dimension as the one used on the cutter to start the threads WILL thread a muzzle without a lathe, but you will have no relief cut toward the shoulder. Not saying the results will be as good or as cost effective as taking the barrel to a Smith to be dialed in an turned in a 4 jaw chuck+spider but it can be done. But then again who knows it might be better. Do you know what YOUR smith's acceptable amount of runout is when dialing one in?( Might be having one of those days and .003" is good enough for someone who has no way of checking it.)

  • @G2niverse
    @G2niverse3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I tried this once on a 16" sks...$150 for the threading and $200 later for the tax stamp and now I have an sbr sks. Never again.

  • @Burritoswithfritos
    @Burritoswithfritos3 жыл бұрын

    New design Idea. 3dprinted ECM set up to go in conjunction with Ivan The Trolls ECM barrel making set up to thread barrels.

  • @ou812....
    @ou812....3 жыл бұрын

    Already knew the answer but stop by cuz I love you guys content

  • @nebraskaman8247
    @nebraskaman82472 жыл бұрын

    Rifle for sale! Lightly used. Comes with an awesome muzzle break. Pretty sure every one’s had a diy fail ha

  • @mangupan50cal
    @mangupan50cal3 жыл бұрын

    Soon as I saw tge title I was like oh he'll no nonono no

  • @MAGAMAN
    @MAGAMAN3 жыл бұрын

    I feel that if you really wanted to spend the time and effort that it may be possible to do it by hand and without a lathe, but it would require a lot more than a Die and may cost more than just having a gunsmith do it.

  • @ETHRON1
    @ETHRON12 жыл бұрын

    The right way to thread your barrel....buy one from Brownells.

  • @jefm78
    @jefm78 Жыл бұрын

    I highly agree. You want accuracy let a gunsmith thread it with his expensive lathe. If you just want to put a muzzle device with very loose bullet clearance on a cheap rifle then go ahead and try the threading kits.

  • @secrityforcemarine
    @secrityforcemarine3 жыл бұрын

    I can say I have 4 times and messed up 1 out of the 4 costing me 135 for a new barrel that was threaded anyways

  • @tomsanders6507
    @tomsanders65072 жыл бұрын

    What you don't see is a ATF agent out of camera with a gun pointed right at him

  • @TheMaddogronh
    @TheMaddogronh3 жыл бұрын

    When the gunsmith charges more than the guns worth ,, do it yourself,,, !!!!

  • @011CJ
    @011CJ Жыл бұрын

    The way it work doing it by hand is you follow the instructions on the kit step by step . Go test fire the rifle then get the squib out of your bore cut the end of the barrel off and discard in a place no one will find it then take the rifle to a Smyth and convince them you have no idea what happened and pay them to make you a new barrel .thanks for the vid

  • @BM205
    @BM2053 жыл бұрын

    What about Kyber Pass weapons

  • @dcbrot
    @dcbrot2 жыл бұрын

    But what about cleaning up rough threads on your own?

  • @kevloo6078
    @kevloo60783 жыл бұрын

    Thanks guys. Very interesting........

  • @brownells

    @brownells

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @stevenrichards3699
    @stevenrichards36992 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes it's better to let a guy who does it for a living do it, Like Dirty Harry said, "A man's gotta' know his limitations" !

  • @l337l0gan
    @l337l0gan3 жыл бұрын

    I can't believe this is actually even a thing...

  • @mikedeloach6849
    @mikedeloach68492 жыл бұрын

    Many of the comments say it can be done with an annular cutter. I find it funny that Brownell's says it can't be done. I wonder if it's because they don't sell annular cutters on their site.

  • @bookiefpv

    @bookiefpv

    23 күн бұрын

    Because they don't anymore. But used to

  • @Chris-yy5pj
    @Chris-yy5pj3 жыл бұрын

    Us AK guys just ignored everything you said lol

  • @stevesparks2001
    @stevesparks20012 жыл бұрын

    You claim it's busted, but you didn't show us that it can't be done. I have several very nice guns that I worked on myself, that I was told by so-called (Smiths) that it could not be done or should not be done, including rebarreling revolvers and rifles, rechambering and a Ruger 10/22 barrel on a savage MKII, Python barrel on a Trooper, trooper barrel on a Smith & Wesson etc. All look fantastic and perform amazing. I have over 100 guns and 95 of them have been modified by me in some form or other, there are lot of companies out there that rent tools to do the job, and If I don't think I can do it, I wont! I remember going into a shop in Oregon and telling a so-called smith about my idea for my Ruger/Savage project, only to have him tell me (You don't want to do that) to which I replied, (Really? Pretty sure I do) I am not saying all gunsmiths are like that, I just seem to run across the lazy, closed minded, cigarette smoking, don't want to get out of the chair, 300 pound jerks quite often! And if I want to destroy an Item I paid for, with money I earned, so be it! And if everyone was afraid to try something different, we would still be using muzzle loaders! Carbine Williams built a functioning rifle in prison with a file! Also I have looked into buying a mill/lathe combo, but the cost of fixtures, jigs and components, not to mention the fact that I am not a machinist, and worry I might really damage something to the point of no return.

  • @andrew_the_machinist
    @andrew_the_machinist3 жыл бұрын

    They cut before the synchronized coffee sip. So disappointing. That must mean they're doing the "cant shoot 556 in a 223" myth soon?

  • @muffemod
    @muffemod3 жыл бұрын

    I do it by hand perfect every time. You need an annular cutting bit. Straight like an arrow every fucking time.

  • @sdh2383
    @sdh23833 жыл бұрын

    It's doable with an annular cutter, thread die and some other specialized gunsmithing tools, but the cost for all those tools can be hundreds of dollars. better off going to the smith.

  • @jhirata6456

    @jhirata6456

    3 жыл бұрын

    So I just got the kit from South Carolina shooter supply. Used the annular cutter to reduce the diameter of the barrel and threaded it for 14x1. Pin and welded for 16” OAL finished with a DA flash hider. Topped it off with my can and using an alignment rod the concentricity is damn near perfect.

  • @sdh2383

    @sdh2383

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jhirata6456 nice, how much did all the tooling cost?

  • @jhirata6456

    @jhirata6456

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sdh2383 about $120? I don't recall the exact amount.

  • @chaucantho4462
    @chaucantho44623 жыл бұрын

    Why trying hard to do pointless stuff while you can easily machine it..? Unless it is Khyber.

  • @neosmith80
    @neosmith803 жыл бұрын

    low audio

  • @AshEndDust
    @AshEndDust3 жыл бұрын

    Best technique for threading by hand. Hand it to a gunsmith and have them do it. Or buy one pre threaded.

  • @brocksdaddy081910
    @brocksdaddy0819103 жыл бұрын

    Multiple people have said it but it absolutely is "possible" to do it by hand and have it work just fine.... but why? A machinist or gunsmith can do it in 5 minutes.

  • @Ogrematic

    @Ogrematic

    3 жыл бұрын

    When I was a mechanic, we had a lady come in just before close one night with burned out headlights. She had failed state inspection and needed them replaced. She was wicked mad. So she goes up front while I opened the hood. Someone had tried it and failed. So I got the right bulbs and replaced them. She came into the shop and said, "I paid ten bucks to have you do five minutes of work?" And I replied, "No, ma'am. You paid ten bucks to have a trained professional use the proper tools and equipment to replace your headlights. It only took five minutes because I've done a hundred of them and I know how to do it right." Most bulbs that go in your car can't be touched with your bare hands. The oil from your skin can cause the bulb to burn out early once it heats up a few hundred times. Most people don't know that. Some of them are really expensive.

  • @filster1934

    @filster1934

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, I don’t know about 5 minutes, maybe 1/2 an hour.

  • @brocksdaddy081910

    @brocksdaddy081910

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@filster1934 I was being ambitious haha

  • @Ogrematic

    @Ogrematic

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@filster1934 That's true, you have to set up the machine, do your measurements, check out of round, etc.

  • @alfonsedente9679
    @alfonsedente96793 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but steven segal did it in a movie once, and it turned out great! Why would he lie?

  • @disturbedmaynard3873
    @disturbedmaynard38733 жыл бұрын

    If you have it in the lathe to turn the end to the correct diameter then you would just thread it there too.

  • @SouthernArmory
    @SouthernArmory3 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure Robski of AKOU suppressed a psl or sks using a die from CNC Warrior. I’m definitely not gonna try it though...

  • @ccfmfg
    @ccfmfg8 ай бұрын

    Then Why do You sell Muzzle Threading Tools?

  • @Pre.C_King
    @Pre.C_King2 жыл бұрын

    How can aluminium thread adapters work and have suppressors work as intended? I feel like the risk for them becoming unaligned would be greater than someone really carefully threading their barrel? The way I've done mine previously, I've scrapped working it by hand completely and instead I put a rig in my vise and turn it that way instead, I feel the risk of the die becoming remotely crooked if you do the actual application of pressure by hand is too great considering it's a barrel and not your sink pipes.. However I wouldn't even consider doing it for anyone else.. If I do it myself to my own things.. Its my risk and responsibility.. And the potential consequences the same... But you never know wether or not people truly understand firearms nor how they treat them, If I do it, I know how I've done it and if there's anything I have to consider.

  • @geckoproductions4128
    @geckoproductions41282 жыл бұрын

    Gun plumbers everywhere will tell you "don't waste your money on a gunsmith. Just put the barrel in a vise and put a thread cutting die on it." 1st bores ARE NOT concentric with OD on a barrel, often being off by several thousandths of an inch. Second, consider POLAR mathematics, the same system that produces 1" appx of accuracy per 100yds of distance for a 1 minute gun. That is, the longer the barrel attachment, the more likely a baffle strike unless the barrel is PERFECTLY concentric with the BORE. The ONLY was to make this happen is by indicating the BORE of a barrel on a lathe with a tungsten carbide rod in the BORE, not by indicating on the OD. If you want to blow the can off the end of your barrel, go ahead and thread the muzzle the gun plumber way.

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