The casual rocket launcher behind them in the safe just chillin

@GiovanniV69

3 жыл бұрын

I believe that's an AT-4

@chinchilla641

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like a Gustav recoiless rifle.

@distalradius8146

3 жыл бұрын

@@chinchilla641 AT-4 is lightened American version of Carl Gustav 84.

@cruzzindodge

3 жыл бұрын

I also believe it to be AT-4

@samtorres4996

3 жыл бұрын

It's a slice of pizza

It's anti-steel propaganda by brass hounds at the range.

@tommywhite1944

3 жыл бұрын

You can't reload steel cases, so it's myths for fudds to collect brass 👀

@jameshuggins4300

3 жыл бұрын

Hey it works!😎

@ryanpeck3377

3 жыл бұрын

Truthfully the bimetal ammo can cause sparking on metal targets etc and is often banned for that reason... but also the brass goblins cant get their fix

@Tadicuslegion78

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanpeck3377 See that first part makes sense, especially in indoor ranges

@ernestclements7398

3 жыл бұрын

The reason that ranges hate steel is that it is unreloadable because many ranges recycle spent brass they get more money for brass that is uncontaminated by steel and it is difficult to separate the two, therefore many ranges ban the use of steel cased ammo!

It is really nice to hear competent people talk without any hyping or shouting, just facts. It is a great content.

@gunslinger3090

2 жыл бұрын

these people are not competent.

@Force1Com

Жыл бұрын

Seems to me cheap Russian 223 will absorb moisture over time and can become extremely dangerous to shoot... so there's that...

@MysteriousMarsupial

10 ай бұрын

😆@@gunslinger3090

If it goes bang in my firearm, I will take it.

@SwindleTV

3 жыл бұрын

My man 💪🏾💪🏾

@EggplantHarmesan

3 жыл бұрын

spiked 7.62

@Oberkommando

3 жыл бұрын

... buys .50 BMG slap rounds from shady dealer

@DinnerForkTongue

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oberkommando Oof.

Polymer blend cases are being developed now, one day we will look back and remember debating brass vs steel. Then again the direction this country is going people may look back and say Remember when we had a right to own a firearm.

@killerratchet1973

3 жыл бұрын

Hey well if they willingly turned them into the government, yet still cry about it online and think they can "vote them out" despite voting demographics being against them they deserve to lose that right.

@heidebaer41

3 жыл бұрын

More like "Remember when we had a functioning goverment that actually protected those who didn't own guns"

@musicalityadventures8544

3 жыл бұрын

How true, but I pray never in Texas

@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132

3 жыл бұрын

They wont change the 2nd amendment.

@heidebaer41

3 жыл бұрын

@@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 They don't have to. All new weapons are serialized and registered, so as soon as the old stuff stops working, the right to bear arms is one 'executive order due to extreme circumstances' away from being gone.

“If it doesn’t run steel then it doesn’t deserve brass” Heck yeah he said the thing!

@brutalbag225

3 жыл бұрын

Why do people keep saying "the thing" lol.. is it a Joe Biden thing?

@tannerquismundo1754

3 жыл бұрын

@@brutalbag225 Nah, Brandon Herrera (the AK Guy) said it in a video awhile back

@cbsbass4142

3 жыл бұрын

@@brutalbag225 Yeah man, you know---The Thing! :)

@buckweed420

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite sayings.

@TheRetiredVeteran

2 жыл бұрын

@@brutalbag225 That is Joe Biden's "thing."

I’ve been using Tulammo bear and wolf steel case for years in my 556 308 and 45. A little dirty but like they said you have to clean your tool after each use. Never misses a beat.

@TheGuy030770

2 жыл бұрын

Brian Presgrive, where are you finding Bear ammunition? Is it Brown Bear or Silver Bear?

@paintman2020

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@nova68cutie

2 жыл бұрын

Me 2

@bpresgrove

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGuy030770 I'm sorry for the late response. I shoot silver. Have not shot any brown. I did a quick search before I replied and there is still plenty of both out there for sale. Prices have gone up on it of course but just have to shop around.

@cdsmit27

2 жыл бұрын

I always clean my tool after each use

If anybody has steel cased rounds they do not want, I’ll take it. (7.62x39)

@youngc1mission

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think nobody giving any up unless u tryna pay 2arms & 2legs especially now😥

@that1electrician

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngc1mission So glad I saw the writing on the wall 6 years ago and started buying bulk from SGammo back when it was 150 bucks for 1k rounds of 7.62 I have enough ammo that if I were to sell everything at todays prices, I'd have enough for a hefty down payment on a nice house in the burbs.

@dartdodge69

2 жыл бұрын

@@that1electrician but then you be stuck in the burbs without any ammo 😉

These videos remind me of "this old house" but with guns

@hectorg7090

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. You're right.

@fukoofjj

3 жыл бұрын

So true but this is better! No hate, I love this old house

@FELiPES101

3 жыл бұрын

you nailed it haha...the wood table, blue button ups, and coffee cups

@ratherbe7

3 жыл бұрын

True

@webfactorysolutions

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely, just less dumb jokes

I personally recommend people not to buy any. Therefore I think it would be best for me to buy as much as I can to verify what they’re saying is true with my own independent studies!!

@ch4osaeternum74

3 жыл бұрын

You sly dog you lol

@exoticcreature3059

3 жыл бұрын

Something tells me it will be awhile for you to complete those studies.

@daveb5540

3 жыл бұрын

@@ch4osaeternum74 Ha Ha Ha :)

…I’m so glad to know this. During this shortage i’ve had to purchase steel for the first time…then I heard it’s bad…then I freaked out…then I got disappointed…then I found these sensible gun experts…now I’m relieved…i should stay off the Internet…

@LocustMtn

Жыл бұрын

It happens to us all. Too much information!

There's one one big reason why I don't shoot steel at all: I'm a reloader.

@incontinentiabuttocks5271

2 жыл бұрын

You can reload steel cases.

@MrAdeuhtyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@incontinentiabuttocks5271 not all of them. Most of the steel I’ve come across, has two small holes for the primer rather than one regular sized hole. This makes popping the primers out nearly impossible

@morrius0757

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAdeuhtyr there's ways to pop the two hole cases, it's a pain but it can be done.

@MrAdeuhtyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@morrius0757 obviously there’s ways to make it happen. It’s gonna take either a custom tool, a fair amount of time, and/or a lot more effort than standard brass would take. But if you like to reload inefficiently, it’s probably just right for you

@mitchallen5819

2 жыл бұрын

I had more jams in my old AR with steel casing than anything.

I NEED to know: what’s with the rocket launcher in the safe in the background? 😂

@isaace8090

3 жыл бұрын

Expended AT4. You can search online and find them for sale here and there. Once fired, it's just a tube and can't be reloaded.

@jason200912

3 жыл бұрын

Home defense.

@CheJoffre

3 жыл бұрын

haha, yessss! Now I want a dummy one.

@brandonmurchison3993

3 жыл бұрын

👀😂😂💀💀☠☠

@thisguytrucksoldtrailer6875

3 жыл бұрын

America

Bottom line....shoot it, clean it. 😀

@Big6Duke

3 жыл бұрын

And replace your parts more offend because of the additional wear....

I remember when you could get a case of sks for $600. Ah I wish I would have bought one.

@betafishjeremy7454

3 жыл бұрын

Now its $.50 per round the cheapest

@Voltis-5

3 жыл бұрын

@@betafishjeremy7454 if you look around you can still find ammo for under 50¢/rnd. I've been able to score 1000 9mm for $28 of 100rnd box and 223/556 for 1000rnd for $450. I've been getting mine mostly from Bass pro shop and other local fun stores by me.

@betafishjeremy7454

3 жыл бұрын

@@Voltis-5 I was specifically talking about the 7.62x39. When I got some the cheapest I could find at the time was around $.50/rnd

@gabrielwong9063

3 жыл бұрын

@@Voltis-5 I can't find shit

@daveb5540

3 жыл бұрын

Bought one, I hope you meant one more :/.

I now feel inadequate because I do not have an extra extractor just laying around. 🙁

@dalesmyth7398

3 жыл бұрын

I was in the same boat. I finally ordered 3 field replacement kits, I think I got them from Classic. Had the extractor in the kits, plus spring.

AK is like Soviet people: always hungry, will eat anything

@DeltaEchoGolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@BanBootlicking All those potatoes. Which includes vodka.

@cbsbass4142

3 жыл бұрын

@@BanBootlicking Caribou eaten raw with potatoes, comrade.

@BanBootlicking

3 жыл бұрын

@@cbsbass4142 It's not like the Soviet Union made enough electricity to export it to other Eastern Bloc countries (sarcasm). Stop being such a brainwashed moron. A country cannot be the second world power pioneering space travel and have nuclear energy, while being an underdeveloped backwards country, where people can't cook their food, at the same time. Choose one, you can't have both. Have you looked at America recently? More and more breadlines. Considering how rich the US is, this is beyond pathetic.

@flaflaflooey11

3 жыл бұрын

@@BanBootlicking you made my day!

@mightyjoeyoung1390

3 жыл бұрын

@@BanBootlicking Take your bullsh!t commy propaganda and cram it where the sun doesn't shine. You seem to think communism meant everybody got the same levels of food and essential goods. Nothing could be further from the truth and you damn well know it. The "haves" got the lion's share and the populace got what was left or what they could scrounge. You're the one that's brainwashed comrade.

My grandson has been using steel case in my AR-15 for months. That was the only .223 he could find in the area. He said no malfunctions at all.

@rylanmartin9040

3 жыл бұрын

Cool grandson, and you for that matter

@johnwalczak935

3 жыл бұрын

Not yet at least. Wait until he has put about 7-9 k of it down range when all of a sudden the gun jams because the case didn’t extract.

@bobbyhempel1513

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnwalczak935 after 15,000 rounds of steel cased ammo through my AR-15 I have not had one single jam misfire or any other malfunction whatsoever and I only clean it every thousand rounds so go tell somebody else that bullshit. Oh and I'm running the cheapest AR-15 I could possibly put together.

@johnwalczak935

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobbyhempel1513 you’ll be sorry one day

@SectionChief

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnwalczak935 Feels like you live for “I told you so” moments. I’ve been shooting steel case ammo for years through pistol, revolver, AR15 and AK47 and no functional damage yet based on that ammo. When shooting suppressed steel case, occasionally it may not cycle due to lower pressure. Also higher occurrence of light primer strike depending on the firearm hammer, striker, firing pin spring condition. Steel case in general is good to go.

This is such a wonderful service you provide. Your knowledge is very helpful to us beginners.

A lot of ammo also have bimetallic jackets. A blend of steel and copper. Lucky gunner did a very in depth test on this and showed more throat erosion and barrel wear. For the vast majority of shooters, there will be no difference whatsoever.

Can we just take a second and appreciate the AT-4 sitting behind them lmao, I love these guys.

@davidooch

3 жыл бұрын

You might already know, but I’ll say it anyway , AT4’s are a one shot deal. I’m sure that thing is spent and empty. It also might be a trainer that shoots a tracer 45 round.

@JasonON

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidooch Went to the AT4 range on Ft. Hood. Had a lot of fun. But yeah, it's a one and done option.

@davidooch

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasonON Yes I remember the same thing from the Marine Corps. That’s probably why they have it, we can all probably pick one up in an Army and Navy store.

They ran steel cases ammo through m16s at the civil war in El Salvador back in the 80s and now days ppl are so afraid use steel case ammo.

@CoryHobbs2178

3 жыл бұрын

Incorrect, Those were actually AR's that were open bolt firing SR-15 bullpups 🤣 And if you bump the rifle the bolt will close and fire around right into yo head

@TheDoorspook11c

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoryHobbs2178 wtf are you spewing?

@manupontheprecipice6254

3 жыл бұрын

Door Spook Black militia leader, I think, put out a video explaining that an AR-15, I kid you not, was a bullpup. And that simply dropping the rifle on the ground would case the bolt to slam shut and fire off a round. Angry Cops on youtube explains it real well.

@flame06171984

3 жыл бұрын

@@manupontheprecipice6254 he pissed me completely off by that video. He knew knowing of guns

@iHipHopVEVO

3 жыл бұрын

I’m from El Salvador 🇸🇻, Brave Humble people 🇺🇸🇸🇻

I like your videos guys ; they're generally a good length and you get to the point plus you never talk over each other. Thanks again !

I haven't written you two in the past that I can remember but I'd like to say "thanks" for freely giving out your wisdom, I've been shooting since I was 4 with my Dad (photographic evidence exists of him shouldering a 1903 and me doing the sighting and trigger work) and am now pushing 60. Yet you two keep teaching me new things to consider in every video you make. In today's video I learned all the steel cased ammo I've shot was allowing blow-back in the chamber due to the case being harder than brass, something I'd never considered. I just shoot and clean the gun, thinking "thats dirty ammo" and gone forward. Thanks for that. An idea for a future video (if you haven't done so before): what are your ideas/methods on using corrosive ammo and cleaning? There's a lot of very firm ideas about using Windex/ammonia based cleaners prior to standard bore cleaners/methods of cleaning and I'd really like to hear how you two sound off on this. I have a bunch of post WWII corrosive ammo that my Dad and I have used and Pops would often say, "Run patches of Windex a couple of times then Hoppes till it's clean". Knowing this is a 1950's-1960's cleaning methods is not particularly resounding with WWI, WWII collector guns and such. My Pops was a great guy and gun collector, I thank him quietly every time I go out and shoot for giving me the hobby. So, "Thanks Pops". And thanks again for all the great vids teaching me something new !

"If it can't shoot the steel, it doesn't deserve the brass." My Brownells BRN-16A1 as it fails to even chamber steel cased: ....

@Kevinlinaresroller

3 жыл бұрын

Lmaooooo

@supramaniac502

3 жыл бұрын

Well, you heard the man... Time to chuck it... 😂

@dontquestionmyname5490

3 жыл бұрын

My BRN too, but after i used dry lube or graphite powder on the magazines, it works flawlessly with steel case

@supramaniac502

3 жыл бұрын

@@dontquestionmyname5490 thats a trick I havent heard before. I'll keep that in mind to try in case my 1911 or my keltec pf9 either one decide they don't like that Tulla ammo, but so far, they each have better than 500 rounds of it through them without a single ftf...

@dontquestionmyname5490

3 жыл бұрын

@@supramaniac502 The gray 20 rounds mag that comes with the BRN16A1 didnt work well for me with tula ammo (always misfeed, jam, or double feed), I used graphite powder and small amount of dry lube. After that, for the first time, I was able to dump all 20 rounds of steel ammo without malfunction.

Thank you for addressing this myth. My rifle runs both types and the only difference is the ejection pattern and location where they land.

@twcaldwell1951

3 жыл бұрын

make sure your wife doesn't have a low cut blouse on, they don't like hot cases going down the V of their bra for some reason.

@tedr.richardson4655

Жыл бұрын

Only thing I see running steel in my AR 300 Blackout is the deflector gets marks/dings in it. I've been shooting Barnaul.

Good topic guys. I have to admit that I was among those who had concerns about the poly coat on the ammo more than anything else. I'd also heard about the problems with it running dirty and being corrosive. As I've never really run that ammo, I didn't realize that it didn't seal quite as well as brass, but you're right, other than being dirty, it's not really an issue as long as you clean them well. Great vid guys, keep up the great work.

Love Brownells. The best firearm advice on YT

i for one appreciate the straight forward answer at the beginning of the video

Damn you for this video! Now everyone is going to buy off the steel case ammo. Awesome video by the!😁🇺🇸👍

@cfltitan

3 жыл бұрын

Hell it's all been gone for awhile now already! I can't remember the last time I saw wolf 223 in stock anywhere. It's funny too because that most likely means that the ammo snobs must have ran out and bought a bunch when things started looking ugly. I guess they're too good for it until they might need it to save their lives.

@thelonepainter4760

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfltitan yup! Well said.👍🇺🇸

@AwkwardYet

3 жыл бұрын

if lucky gunner steel case test didnt make them do it before

@Buletspunge555

3 жыл бұрын

I googled it yesterday to check on status. Steel cased .223 bulk target stuff (where available) was around 60 cents a piece and you still had to pay shipping! I payed .65 per round for a case of PMC XTAC in 2013 and I thought that was bad! Steel isn't cheaper anymore from what I can see. It's all about what you're willing to pay and what you can find in 2020

@shad0wmech

3 жыл бұрын

@Maine Jackal lol, Ah yes its "junk" but it still is accurate enough in 50+ year old guns to hit mansized target free hand at 300yards. I guess one persons "Junk" is another persons treasure

Haven’t run steel through my AR but my mini 14 loves it

@darkstreamfish2729

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, just the comment I was looking for. I own a mini14 myself. It's the only 223 rifle I own. How's the gun holding up; any problems?

@chrishollar6080

3 жыл бұрын

Love my mini14 rancher. Love it

@preppingturtle9402

3 жыл бұрын

My mini 14 eats thur the steel ammo and wants more. So i feed it as much as possible. With no problems. Got to love the mini 14

This is by far some of the best gun content thanks guys 👍🏿

I run brass because it's not as hard on my extractors, and it tends to run cleaner. If you choose to run steel, that's fine too. To each his own.

@bruceschmidt758

2 жыл бұрын

Broke my extracter

@alexrogerson1337

2 жыл бұрын

If I shoot steel, the cost savings on one box allows me to buy two new extractors.

@mpkid5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Clipz4Reelz always hearing but never experiencing lol. if an extractor breaks its because of shitty pot metal castings they use like century arms AKs. buy real guns and you wont have an issue

@gavinthroop2839

2 жыл бұрын

It sucks because steel is literally the only thing I can find for my 6.5 grendel AR

@fiveowaf454

2 жыл бұрын

@@Clipz4Reelz I'm not sure I entirely buy into the idea of the extractor wear/damage. Unless the case is requiring more energy to removed from the chamber, what is the difference? With the 7.62x39 round with it's fully tapered cartridge, I don't see there being any issue, which is probably why AK's and SKS eat the steel ammo with no problems. 5.56/45 - 223 in comparison has a straight walled case, so perhaps with more fouling from the ammo, the extraction does become more difficult over time, so that's where the issue arises. With the AR action if you are using a dirty type of ammo in the first place, you soon end up with a dirty gun period, which could also add to problems of wear over time. I only run steel in 7.62x39, more by accident, than design because the AR ammo was always cheap and available in brass cases, obviously of late that has changed some, so if I see a great deal on some steel cased I would give it a try.

Was that a synchronized drinking of coffee at the end?

@CalebSavant

3 жыл бұрын

Not even planned.

@roberttompkins9991

3 жыл бұрын

I think the copper mug guy is drinking Moscow Mule

@americanpatriot6502

3 жыл бұрын

@DannyBoyDDD no American how dare u... You don't paly modern Warfare do you...

@bulkhungry

3 жыл бұрын

Two guys on the same wavelength with coffees finish speaking after 7 minutes and drink in unison . Seems about right to me . Drink up before it's cold !

@BusterHuggs

3 жыл бұрын

DannyBoyDDD en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4

Excellent video and cleared that myth up for me. Thank you.

I would love to see a video examining the myths with remanufactured ammo. Thanks for all the great videos!

It blows my mind when AR-15 owners don't clean their rifle right away after coming home from the range. It's so dang easy to clean; you don't have to do a deep clean every time, and field stripping an AR-15 is kindergarten-simple. Run a bore snake through with solvent and oil, and wipe down your BCG. A little carbon never hurt anything, and you can do a deep clean every 5 or 10 trips to the range to play it safe. Takes like 3 minutes, 5 minutes tops to do a basic cleaning. Maybe half an hour or so for a deep clean. I'm pretty sure my pistol target ammo is corrosive, but I have no corrosion despite the pistol being all steel and was made in 1992. Just clean your damn weapon, man.

@BLUELEADER78

3 жыл бұрын

I wish it only took 30 minutes for a deep cleaning. Stupid Marine Corps making me super detail oriented.

@holovoid_

3 жыл бұрын

Clean after every trip to range? *laughs in Kalashnikov*

@Gottaculat

3 жыл бұрын

@@holovoid_ Keep your AK clean and properly sighted, and suddenly your accuracy won't be so shameful. Dirty guns don't perform as well as well maintained guns. Just a fact; can't defy material science or physics, no matter how much Vodka and lore you throw at the AK. :)

@holovoid_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gottaculat I'm just joshing. I have a PCC AK and clean it pretty regularly. Its pretty much a tack driver for what I need it for.

@Rotorflyr

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gottaculat Vodka (especially the cheap stuff) does an excellent job at cleaning out the barrel as well as cleaning off the bolt - and makes the AK smell more Kalashnikovy!

Short Answer: No Long Answer: No

The only issue I ever had running steel was increased friction on the steel magazine feeders with Lancer mags, which resulted in jamming. No issue with PMAG. I prefer the Lancer mags, so I stick with brass. No issues.

@eb5671

2 жыл бұрын

Lancer mags are overrated

I’ve shot a lot of steel cased 9mm glock 17 gen 5 and I’ve never ever had any problems

Noooo now everyone is going to buy up all the steel ammo now too 😂

@Cardbordboxonfire

3 жыл бұрын

dave c I think it was meant to be a *too

@Hopeofmen

3 жыл бұрын

Noooooooo

@johnnyr9122

3 жыл бұрын

dave c yup I meant too, sorry forgot this was KZread and people have to check spelling and grammar for every single fucking thing 🤦🏻‍♂️

@killerinst1ncz308

3 жыл бұрын

Incorrect...there won’t be any steel cased ammo left soon

The extractor issue is the only issue I’ve ever heard/gave credence to. Sounds like it is a true statement.

Helpful video. Been wondering this for years. Thank you.

the production value is so great on these videos

This guy is the mr. roger of the gun community 😂😂😂

Thanks guys! I’m an old AK guy that brought the use of steel with me to all my guns. Even my MPX. And it runs great on steel and aluminum.

I have a Bushwacker M4 carbine clone that I bought new. When firing for the first time I used the Tulammo 5.56mm and had a lot of feeding jams. I then used other commercial brand ammo and it fed reliably.

I can't shoot steel cased ammo in my AR's without clogging and feeding issues. Like my AR pistol chambered in 7.62x39. I took it out, brand new and clean, and ran about 20 rounds of steel cased ammo and started having issues! But my AK's can shoot that steel cased stuff all day with no fails whatsoever. The guy at the local gun shop told me that steel cased ammo is dirtier and will flake off, requiring very frequent cleaning of the chamber and bore in an AR. I ran some brass through that AR and it was just fine. Same way with my 223. I had to take it in to have the empty steel case removed from the barrel! So that is my belief, based solely on my experience and what I was told shortly afterward. Steel cased ammo is not so great in an AR. But in an AK, heck yeah.

I can't honestly say how many rounds of steel cased ammo I've used through the years but I did encounter my very 1st problem a couple of weeks ago. I do not blame it on the steel case ammo though. Turned out to be the buffer on my new PSA lower was not heavy enough which caused the BCG to slam violently onto the round. The extractor survived but did take a chunk out of the spent casing. A simple poke with a cleaning rod removed the damaged round with no other issues. Side note: the build is a 200.00 PSA lower with a 16" S&W sport II upper. Update 08/15/20 .. Ran another 200 rounds of steel cased ammo with no issues at all using the same rifle that had the issue last time out. I never got around to trying the different buffer weights with it either. It ran fine even with double taps.

@Brandonscoots85

3 жыл бұрын

That’s apparently a generally common issue with new PSA lowers. I’ve heard of the buffer pin popping out during use and getting mangled into the lower mechanisms. Seems like you already knew that and solved the problem yourself though☺️. Just wanted to second the fact that the issue had no correlation with the ammo/cartridge type👍🏻

@David45Abq

3 жыл бұрын

@@Brandonscoots85 Inexpensive lowers will have issues for sure. I did order an H2 and H3 buffer which should solve the slamming issue. It ran fine for the 1st 30 rnds then the 2nd mag with double taps is when I experienced the broken case. The extractor was not damaged at all but it did take a nice chunk out of the spent round.

@romeowhiskeylima556

3 жыл бұрын

PSA+steel cased=bad range day

@David45Abq

3 жыл бұрын

@Mr. Morningstar Good points thank you .. The s&w sport ii upper was used and broken in from what the person I bought it from told me, approximately 400 rounds. Although the lands and grooves looked almost new, which is why I bought it for the build. The 1st 20 rounds went without a hickup sighting it in, had very good grouping. So the 2nd mag I went into rapid fire double taps, the 9th of 20 rounds is when I encountered the stuck case. The bottom of the case had a chunk taken out of it where the extractor punched it. I actually felt it when it happened. While doing rapid fire double taps the bcg seemed to rock my stance more so than the steady fire. If I'd thought about it and used my knife or had my cleaning rod I could have cleared it at the range. Once back home the spent case popped right out. As for going with an H1 buffer, I'm almost positive that will solve the bcg slamming issue. To be honest I just now thought about checking the original buffer to see if it even has weights in it. I had bought 2 of the 200.00 psa lowers, the other one worked fine, no issues at all with it. I will try to remember to post an update after my next range visit and test of the H1 and H2 buffers. Thank you for the insight to other possible causes though, I will keep them in mind.

LONG LIVE TULA! AND MY SAVINGS!

@MyGuy42069

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget wolf!

@chrisrogers4242

3 жыл бұрын

its not the case you need to worry about, its the bimetal jacket

@markdice6361

3 жыл бұрын

Tula 223 will not run at all in my AR. Why?

@chrisrogers4242

3 жыл бұрын

@@markdice6361 because steel case ammo is over spec for alot of .223 chambers. I've seen steel case .223 jam bolt action Guns not just ar15s. Still to good quality brass case copper jacked ammo.

@EggplantHarmesan

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisrogers4242 Wolf makes copper jacket for a dollar extra on a box of 20

This video was very enjoyable to watch. Thanks for making it!!

What I have seen happen multiple times are steel cases getting stuck in a rifle chamber. The bolt will move rearward and the extractor will rip the recessed rim, right off the casing, and eject the rim but the strap case will be stuck in the rifle chamber. And then you need to epoxy a lag bolt in the stuck casing in order to be extracted from the chamber. People say that this happens due to steel being less flexible than brass and not being able to expand and contract as well or as fast. That being said, I’m no expert. But definitely seen steel get stuck over and over again (perhaps I should mention that in every case, it was Tulammo)

SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT! Shoot brass, pick up brass, RELOAD brass! :-) See? I'm an environmentalist!

@theoverwatch23-10

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!!

@timothysackett8599

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter steel lead or copper or brass all metal comes from the environment

@martinhamill7958

3 жыл бұрын

@@timothysackett8599 r/wooosh

@danielsteger8456

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinhamill7958 wrong. he got the joke.

@martinhamill7958

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielsteger8456 oh... fuck

My favorite is steel ammo with copper jackets.

@alexglenn2122

3 жыл бұрын

The Wolf black and yellow box is the sauce. Better powder, copper jackets, but steel casing. Saves money but doesn't do any extra wear.

@TheDoorspook11c

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is hornady match steel. Same cases, lol. 223, 5.45, and 7.62x39 hornady is king.

@flame06171984

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDoorspook11c I'm still trying to find 5.45 upper or barrel

@jeffpv.

3 жыл бұрын

@@flame06171984 Got the barrel and everything else except the BCG, and Stripped upper. These back orders are driving me nuts!

@tatsuhirosatou5513

3 жыл бұрын

@Aniquin eh it take soo much to wear a barrel out and when it finally happens I've saved enough money on ammo to absorb the $100-150 for a new barrel.

Reminds me of the Forgotten Weapons video about the WWII MG42 and that its bolt is so hard on the cartridges that they exclusively shot steel cased ammo, so it must be stronger than brass and thus safer. To make the MG42 safer you can switch the bolt out. :) I think it also depends on manufacturing quality ofc.

As someone that had to send his AR15 upper to a gunsmith to remove a "neck" ripped from a steel case, I'd beg to differ on some of this. My situation had me with a fairly warm barrel, and a several minute pause with a round in battery. The "lacquer" coating built up in the chamber, and bonded to the un-fired round. Upon resuming activity, I sent the round, and it ripped the body of the case from the neck, and tried to feed the next round inside the first neck. The "neck" had to be extracted with a tool inserted from the snout, pressing the neck out.

@AllTheDips

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen the same thing happen with brass cases ammo

Thank you for an excellent video. Steel cased in a revolver can be very hard to extract.

From my experience with coated steel rounds it seemed like it would run fine until you got it hot and let it cool with a round in the chamber. It didn't seem to happen all the time but it certainly did happen for me.

@nunyabussiness4054

3 жыл бұрын

This has happened to me also. Took me awhile to figure out what happened but that coating melting then being allowed to cool sitting in the chamber was like hot gluing the case in the chamber.

@andyd2960

3 жыл бұрын

@@nunyabussiness4054 yup. I had one hell of a time trying to get one stuck case out. A friend of mine said that he puts his steel case ammo in an ammo can and seals it up with a shot of starting fluid. Supposedly it does something to the coating

For well over a decade now and even during the pandemic with these long lines of individuals waiting to get ammo at Academy, I would walk right in the store grab all the steel case ammo I could grab and walk out with everyone uttered the words “but that’s going to damage your gun” or while they walked away emptyless of ammo simply because they did not find brass. People in the public do what they do because they don’t know any better regardless of what it is. I specifically remember buying 31,000 rounds of 7.62 x 39 gold tiger ammo in about 2002 or so for $.04 cents around. It had to be loaded on a pallet and sat in the back of my truck. All of our A.R. 15‘s are 7.62 platform out here on our land as well as having a case. I bought this ammo because it’s the messy scarce and is what’s least popular and with over 212,000 rounds (last I counted) I’m not the one complaining about not having any ammo. Moral of the story, quit being picky.l and making up excuses. No different with all my steel case 9 mm.

A friend of mine who was involved in the Bosnia war, as a prisoner and worker, loaded a unbelievable amount of AK mags a never saw a single round of steel cased ammo. We, in the 🇺🇸, take fore granted that all AK platforms are steel case firearms, but it's not really the case. Great info in this video!

"If it can't shoot the steel, it doesn't deserve the brass." He said the think! A fellow follower of AK Jesus!

@picklesauce3781

3 жыл бұрын

Jesusnikov

I'm so happy to be a subscriber to Brownells channel. You have no idea how much i've learnt about my AR and hang guns from your channel. Great job as always and you guys are the most professional gun channel on YT according to me.

I find it amazing that on a gun news site. That people are friendly and cooperative. Answering people's questions and not politicly involved Very refreshing thanks

USPSA magazine did an article on steel case ammo. It wasn’t the case as much as the bi-metal bullet. There isn’t enough copper on the bullet and it was causing premature wear in barrels. Swat magazine did another article around the same time about it. An author did a 4K high round count class at Tactical Response. The gun started at 2MOA and opened up to a 4MOA gun after the class.

@prancer1803

Жыл бұрын

That’s why it’s best not to use steel cased ammo in nice/valueable guns. Over the long term it’s not good for them

@Clangokkuner

Жыл бұрын

@@prancer1803you missed the point of the entire comment.

If it's Soviet, it'll use steel cases. They're designed to run on steel-cased ammunition. Only surplus ammo is corrosive, any ammo made today including steel-cased with berdan primers will make sure to declare it loudly on the box as NON-CORROSIVE. Corrosive doesn't mean it will dissolve your gun as you shoot it, it means you need to clean your gun within a few hours of shooting it, especially if you're in a humid or coastal environment with lots of salt in the air.

THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION LOVE THE SMITH BUSTERS SERIES

It's all I run in my akm. Guerillas have been running it for years with good results, and with shot out barrels at that.

@brejaimecastillo8851

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Haha

This is exactly what I was just talking to a friend of mine about who is going to buy steel for their A.R. 15. My objection was the only thing I could think of is that it would be hard on their ejector. Thanks for the confirmation

they just have a AT-4 chilling in the background! lol

Thanks for the honesty gentlemen... Modern ammo, steel or brass, you're good to go...

The fact that people are stingy enough about ammo in a time like this is baffling

@zacsdiyreptiles7146

2 жыл бұрын

Not really

@beybladesinmyheels1267

2 жыл бұрын

When I was in the Nam fighting off cannibal commies with my bare hands as they bit off chunks of flesh while I was being sucked up into an alien space ship via hyper beam I was still having a quality talk with my friend over what ammo is better at what and their uses. Of course I had to hold in his guts as he bled out due to artillery fire while we were storming pill boxes on D-Day but thats a given when you serve your country.

@Sch1z0gam1ng

2 жыл бұрын

@@beybladesinmyheels1267 lmao

Great information! Thanks guys!

If it can’t handle steel, it doesn’t deserve brass!

@CoryHobbs2178

3 жыл бұрын

Steel ammo is the reason that so many guns are overgassed, It needs more gas to run the weaker steel case ammo, but then good quality brass case ammo slightly over does it. But I would rather have a gun slightly over gassed than slightly under gassed

@djbray7

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoryHobbs2178 What you said didn't detract from his argument at all. If your gun can't run steel, it doesn't deserve brass.

@GatCat

3 жыл бұрын

Lame.

@jond5939

3 жыл бұрын

Steel transfers more heat to the gun. The laws of thermodynamics means more heat applied to cold metal over and over again will wear out a gun faster. Shoot two fully auto guns that are exactly the same. One using brass one using steel. The one shooting steel will fail first.

@djbray7

3 жыл бұрын

@@jond5939 Once again, nothing you said is combating this guy's argument. No one here said steel is better for your gun or higher quality than brass. We're speaking purely to the reliability of the firearm. If it won't run steel reliably and consistently, you shouldn't trust your life to it.

In the end learn to service, maintain, and fix your weapons.

As a gunsmith of 18 years, i appreciate this info going out to gullible people, Ive fixed many broken extractors lately since the rise in cost of ammo... everyone buying steel cased ammo is breaking extractors and ive been making more money off it. Excellent work brownells *thumbs up*

@BlackWolfTribe

Жыл бұрын

Sounds more on manufacture issue than ammo lol. And if they keep coming back to you, maybe your the problem lol.

Just saw this and now I subscribed thank you for answering my questions glad for videos like this

Right now steel cased ammo is super expensive. Glad I stocked up when it was 179$ for 1k. Right now it's cheaper to shoot my ak in 7.62x39 than any 9mm

Yep, I love steel and always take it off the hands of coworkers that end up getting it by accident. Only problem I see is when it's manufactured in ways that leave burrs on the case mouth edge. I've seen horrible reviews for Maxxtech 9mm so I bought loads of it cheap. Found the ammo was kinda grabby in certain chambers like the reviews said. Once I found some that liked it, I used it without problems or marked up chambers. Another problem people have is buying second hand steel ammo. It might have some time getting knocked around and wet. Seen people say their ammo was rusty from the factory, but I doubt their claims.

thank you for answering the question at hand immediately

Thanks for another great video. Lots of information!

I never heard of steel case damaging the chamber or barrel. I heard they damaged the extractors.

I shoot steel in my AR and Sig P226 without issues. Qualified on the FBI (new) short range pistol course this year with the Winchester steel, no issues.

@TheDiameter

3 жыл бұрын

Steel not made in Russia... disgusting.

@jonboy9734

3 жыл бұрын

Tyrone Koumoundouros so the work they do for sex trafficking, and kiddy diddlers are unconstitutional? I think you mean the ATF buddy.

@terrysnyder3599

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyrone Koumoundouros Tyrone posted this 3 days ago. You still with us Tyrone?

@jonboy9734

3 жыл бұрын

Tyrone Koumoundouros you know that shits popping , you jamming to it yourself

@jonboy9734

3 жыл бұрын

Tyrone Koumoundouros yea that works, come on through

The Steel case is softer than the steel guns are made of. Yes!

Thanks for the video. I must say some ARs still have issues when running a steel case ammo. For instance, my IWI Zion-15 had three malfunctions while shooting just one magazine when I was running Tula Ammo .223 Remington 55 grain. And same goes with my PSA AR-10 with Tula Ammo .308. While I personally have no reservations to run a steel case on basically any of my AR rifles, but I still think it's better to run brass on ARs for reliability purposes. Simply because the platform wasn't meant to run steel case ammunition. Meanwhile, my AKs (Zastava ZPAP M70, WASR-10, Galil ACE) never had a single malfunctions or even an issue of any sort when running a steel case ammo. In fact, I never ran anything else but a steel case with them. I personally never experienced any malfunction with my AK platforms, I honestly don't even know if they malfunction at all. I love my ARs, but when it comes to home defense or any personal defense type of situations I wouldn't want to count on my ARs. It'll either be one of my AKs or my 12ga Mossberg. Thanks for the video.

@ohboy2592

2 жыл бұрын

Check your feed ramps. Probably not machined up exactly or you could have a small burr.

@Omnipotent_Vsemogushchiy

2 жыл бұрын

My Ruger AR 556 has never had a single issue with steel casings the whole time I've had it. That surprised me quite a bit being that it's sold as a budget AR but it's run great the whole time I've had it

@Belial69699

2 жыл бұрын

I have a Ruger MPR AR15 and I'm glad to hear you say that about steel ammo. I wondered if it would handle steel okay or not because I have heard stories about AR's not firing steel well.

@helixx92

2 жыл бұрын

only steel ammo ive seen cause problems was tula that would occasionally stick in the chamber in an AR and needed and cleaning rod to get it out cause the extractor would rip the case rim. also some magazines dont like steel case.

@usernamesrlamo

2 жыл бұрын

I have a lowly Radical AR that eats every kind of steel I can find. Never a hiccup. Cheap AR and cheap steel case is about the only affordable way to shoot nowadays.

Thank you I was wondering about this topic for a month

I run steel case all the time... the continual argument is accuracy and from what I've experienced, I'm getting about 1 moa at 200yds on both 7.62, .308, .223... its fine people... just shoot

@KuyaRaphi

3 жыл бұрын

K I gotta ask, what ammo and what brand of barrel are you getting 1 MOA

@TheDiameter

3 жыл бұрын

Kuya Raphi It get it out of Wolfs military stuff.

@TheDiameter

3 жыл бұрын

Anthony Swiss I’m saying I shoot 1 moa at 100 yards.

Thanks for confirming my Father’s teachings to me Son , ammo is ammo but if you run steel cased it wears down your extractor faster

My problem is my extractor tears off the brass rims in my DSA RPD in 7.662x39! I have adjusted the gas regulator! I use coated steel cases without problem. Had the chamber measured and is in spec! The barrel is not chrome lined! So I’m happy with the steel cases! Great Show!

"Cigarette" Old school. Man's man.

@boomstick4054

3 жыл бұрын

Mark’s Man, to be exact...

@norman6694

3 жыл бұрын

Cancer man

@ConcernedCitizen1957

3 жыл бұрын

@@norman6694 Not all smokers die of cancer.

@TheAequitas0

3 жыл бұрын

toshiba mike2 Fast food kills faster than tobacco.

@norman6694

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAequitas0 so we can safely say that both of them are harmful.

If it can’t shoot steel! It doesn’t deserve brass!!!

@Skittlezz45

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirdelatopher more like 87 vs 94 octane, but sure 🤪. Diesel vs. Gas would be like comparing .308 vs. 5.56

@vivillager

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirdelatopher, HA! My truck is a Detroit Diesel with mechanical injectors, indirect injection, pre-emissions, and diesel is a doggy treat for being a good boy. Mostly I feed it discarded oil.

@johnprice5890

3 жыл бұрын

ok boomer

Steel cases have always worked well in my rifles, however as have had the early Wolf coated rounds stick in the chamber and need a cleaning rod to press out.

Thank you for making these videos this stuff really helps

Best episode yet. Caleb just dropped some serious truths for consumers especially the bit about saving a bunch of money on ammo. You are the real MVP, Caleb! AK guys already knew this secret, but companies are catching on it seems. I run steel in all my firearms without issue from my vector to my rifles.

@DinoNucci

3 жыл бұрын

Except it's completely wrong

@DinoNucci

3 жыл бұрын

@Marino Correct

The AKM platform was designed to Run steel case that's all they used in the Soviet Union

Informative. Thank you guys.

Thanks for the enlightening video. Accurate data is gold.

Heck I have reloaded steel cases in .45 for my 1911. Just to see if I could and it worked. But that was a one time experiment.

@id-10-terror7

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure you had problems

I actually like the zinc plated steel cased ammo. Runs like smooth brass, though not as soft.

I have 1000rds of green tip. 250rds ballistic tips, and like 5000rds of monarch steel case. I absolutely love Steel case and almost exclusively run it

The early green laquered wolf steel would definitely gum up the chamber of an AR. I personally did it to my AR. Had to use a cleaning rod to knock the casing out. I cleaned the chamber, and ran plenty of brass in it after that, no problems. This newer grey finished steel I've never tried.