The counter breaking armor is more of a nerf than a buff, since previously Marisa could get a huge punish even in burnout by countering an opponent's drive impact and recovering much sooner than they did.

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

I forgot this was a thing lmao

@user-jp4ll6zb3e

Ай бұрын

LMAOOOO

@BlueLightningSky

Ай бұрын

Don't know why this is a problem when JP also has this still.

@ZachHenke

Ай бұрын

@@BlueLightningSky Because she can do like 80% if she gets it.

@sirjeanpepper2492

Ай бұрын

Might have been a more fun change if she could still do it, but it applied Amnesia tier scaling if it eats a DI

Just a few things for me to add here since there's a miss and a couple extra bits of info the charged jump heavies is a change i too underestimated a lot due to the reward on hit being bad, but people tend to block safejumps anyway and they deal a lot more drive chip and are a lot more plus on block (+18 on safejump) which leads to stronger drive chip after landing aswell. Doing something like j.HP 4HP gladius does approximately 0.9 drive bars of chip, whereas doing something like j.[HP] 4[HP] 4HP gladius which does a whopping 1.9 bars of chip, almost forcing your opponent to parry somewhere which lets you run grab mixups a lot easier. the 5LP target combo actually does NOT have increased damage compared to before. the 10% scaling they removed on the TC was removed to counteract the universal light scaling nerf, and she still does less since the TC 2nd hit itself has the 10% extra scaling compared to before, but i think they just didn't want her to LOSE damage on this TC compared to before. As a sidenote, her (usually) better -6 punish is 2LP 5MP into whatever anyway so it doesn't have the biggest impact regardless. One more impact on Ex gladius scaling nerf is that just like regular charged gladius, you can get trades and combo after during the crumple with charged ex aswell. It doesn't come up TOO often because it's armoured longer than normal gladius is, but low hits do still break through ex gladius armour so you sometimes trade with those regardless. Other things that i think others already mentioned: 6HK 6HK juggles from drive rush leading to both a new safejump that works midscreen (ex rekka, drive rush 6HK 6HK, whiff 2LP forward jump) and more damage potential, and parry stance breaking armour being more of a nerf than a buff

Only two kind of big things you missed. The 6HK TC also works in some of her juggles, so her DP punish damage was actually increased by about 250. And, what I think is actually one of her bigger buffs: the hurtbox on her 5HK was reduced around the feet, so it’s way better at counter poking against low forwards. Other than that a nice QOL change is that the buffer window after OD quadriga was expanded, so it’s less precise to pick up a juggle. Thanks for all you do, Baf!

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

I labbed st hk vs ryu's low forward and was getting counterpoked like crazy, I was going to include it if not for that.

@ZachHenke

Ай бұрын

@@Bafael It sort of works in tandem with the change to proximity block in that you want to be using it more towards the tip of her HK range. If it’s done at that range I haven’t seen it lose if it’s done at the same time as their low forward.

This is excellent. Really, really good, concise, comprehensive summary for any Marisa mains trying to quickly get to grips with season 2.

Definitely the weirdest changes in the patch

@doctordice2doctordice210

Ай бұрын

Nah, Ken getting off Scott-free is still mind boggling lol

@jerry3115

Ай бұрын

@@doctordice2doctordice210 sure, but at least the changes he got were easy to see what they were for. Marisa got more blockstun on an anti air??

The 6HK TC also gives way better combos during existing juggles. Not sure the most optimal route but there's good corner carry and damage off of it, and it combined with the charged HP buff give her even higher damage on big punishes than before.

The big plus of the charged jump normals being used in safe jumps is she can frame trap with charged BHP after them now. The entire string does over 2 bars of Drive Chip. It's pretty scary.

Thanks for the ED BNB Guide. Much appreciated

The Toward HK Target combo juggling now is a lot of fun. These changes aren't the best changes but she's still fundamentally the same character.... Not like I wouldn't continue playing her, I mean, she's a mountain of a woman.

Drive impact isn't guaranteed after level 3 anymore. It was pretty common for you to level 3 second and burn them out, leaving them with no option but to get hit

@ManaSamaSRK

Ай бұрын

its not guaranteed with dr crmp- DI. it is however if you do dr - stlk - dr - crmp - DI. Way more bar, which makes it unlikely to land as much but still a thing

Buffs, nerfs im still loseing to her

@bunnyofdoom4501

Ай бұрын

I know. She’s my nemesis

I cant wait for Aki's stuff, i hope her F.HK now has better block proximity range. It also had the infamous issue of people just walking backwards.

gonna be honest i didn't even know she had chargeable air normals lol

Cool, cool, now give her decent lights, capcom.

I feel like Marisa benefits from the system changes hurting other characters a lot more then they hurt her

Buffs, nerfs, imma still keep winning to her.

I can’t do the back heavy punch combo anymore

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

Like charged b+hp into b+hp? Still works

@pimpdizzle305

Ай бұрын

@@Bafael I wouldn’t charge it tho I would just press and do the down back special combo into super but it always whifs

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

@@pimpdizzle305 so like, b+hp into qcb+hp into f+hp into super? They didn't change anything about that.

@pimpdizzle305

Ай бұрын

Idk why I keep whiffing after a di tho

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

It doesn't work after the wallsplat I think, you've gotta go right into qcb HP there if I recall correctly.

i was planning on learning the character and then they for some reason made her command grab oki worse, and even made it impossible to command grab a drive impact in burnout by doing the 214K. why capcom?

@Kara-de5cz

Ай бұрын

If I understand their logic : her command grab is supposed to be a "rare" tool to use. Like, her gameplay doesn't revolve around an okizeme with this command grab, because she's not a grappler. Like Abigail had a normal command grab in Street Fighter 5 : at the end, he lost oki with that.

@HellecticMojo

Ай бұрын

@@Kara-de5cz and Abigail became bottom tier.

@Kara-de5cz

Ай бұрын

@@HellecticMojo because other nerfs done on his light confirms and anti airs

@HellecticMojo

Ай бұрын

@@Kara-de5cz it's as if Capcom needs to stop removing versatility from brawlers and grapplers or something, but nooooo, gotta make Marisa more unga bunga. What's the point of giving Honda nuance if they are just gonna make someone else the obnoxious scrub gate?

@doctordice2doctordice210

Ай бұрын

Eh sounds like a well fed kid beginning for deserts 🤷‍♂️

what is capcom doing to my big beautiful wife…

@a.nonymous5004

Ай бұрын

The change to her HK target combo means her max damage is higher than ever.

@Kara-de5cz

Ай бұрын

Well she's mostly the same !

@whiteboy7thstreet

Ай бұрын

@@Kara-de5cz thats what i mean :(

@Kara-de5cz

Ай бұрын

@@whiteboy7thstreet I mean that's cool

They gave her more damage, cuz ya know, she needed that. She has a very practical, 80% combo in the corner now. Smh.

Rip Marisa, even the og leader of Marisa Big Bird has abandoned Marisa. Low tier or not, I guess time will tell.

The worst part of the patch and Combo Breaker is that people are going to realize Lily is good and it's such a boring and annoying matchup.

Why is marisa woked in the vid tho, "they" literally want to marry zangief in the story. Twitter has done irreparable damage to this gen.

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

wtf are you talking about?

@DSKBR556

Ай бұрын

@@Bafael rewatched the vid, turns out it was just madman ravings, ignore. Like I said Twitter has done irreparable damage to this gen (and I'm part of it).