Some other stuff that might be worth adding: - St mp on counter hit can now also go into st hk, which can go into the sumo dash launcher, allowing for much bigger damage on meaties and attempted mashing - Both st mp and cr mk can also go into st hp on drive rush, with st mp even being able to go into it on normal punish counter - The combo to get the back hit of sweep into a juggle is sumo launcher -> dr st hk (2 hits) xx drc cr hk, this allows you to get both buttslam and light hands, the latter being even better when you have the buff - The sumo spirit cancel on the tc can be slightly delayed to be as low as +7 which could maybe be used to vary meaty timing to mess up perfect parry attempts, though if you cancel asap you're +13 and can land a meaty cr hp which is +6 oh and 0 ob, as well as being able to force a shimmy mixup - Sumo spirit hands leaving you closer both allows you to get cr lp xx headbutt xx super from most ranges and get cr.lp xx headbutt off of a max range st hp, which was sometimes not possible before - Sumo Smash being a hard knockdown allows for a guaranteed +5 overhead. Alternatively, being +4 after a dash allows you to either force a command grab mixup or get three light normals - EX Sumo Smash being +2 allows you to get a command grab mixup even against someone walking back. The pushback on it was not changed compared to normal Sumo Smash Also you forgot to mention that the overhead kara window was moved back a frame, and I don't blame you since it seems to be a mostly inconsequential change. Just wanted to nerd out a bit and hopefully provide some insight.

@computervision557

2 ай бұрын

Big buff for great players, huge nerf for brainless players

@piwithatsme

Ай бұрын

How do you get the +5 overhead since its a +22 knockdown?

@joegarcia5925

Ай бұрын

@@piwithatsme the power stomp brother

My first thought reading through the notes was, "I'm gonna wait for the Bafael videos" lol. You're a blessing to the community dude. Thanks for making these, they make understanding the changes to the characters I don't play so much more digestible.

Getting to delay EX buttslam to mess with perfect parry timings is a really intelligent way to buff that move. I think with the exception of Lily, they did a good job addressing the crippling weaknesses of the bad characters with this patch.

@charlieharrington9555

2 ай бұрын

Well lily ended up winning combo breaker against a Luke player so maybe the buffs were more significant than we thought 🤷🏻‍♂️

@N00BSYBORG

2 ай бұрын

@charlieharrington9555 I don't put a lot of stock in tournaments that happen immediately after launch or a big balance patch. Players need time to figure stuff out, so simple, high damage characters like Lily always do really well early on. She's obviously better now than she was season 1, but her gameplan still looks one dimensional.

@chopman5152

2 ай бұрын

@@N00BSYBORG everyone didn't forget how to play SF6 after the patch, "this type of character always does well early on" doesn't really make any sense. She didn't get changed THAT much to think that she was just knowledge checking everyone

@N00BSYBORG

2 ай бұрын

@@chopman5152 It's a big patch, dude. It's not just about knowledge checking Lily. It's about refiguring out your own stuff. Keep in mind there was a universal nerf to crouching normals buffered into DR, which was like a cornerstone of season 1's neutral. That's actually a big indirect buff to Lily now that I think about it since she can steamroll you off one whiff punish.

@shun-li8204

2 ай бұрын

Reminds me of NRS style Shokan stomp moves but without being unblockable

I really like these changes a lot, they give him waaaay more variety in neutral play up close. Before the patch, he was fun but his gameplay amounted to Headbutt/buttslam mixups far away, lp-mp tc/command grab mixups up close. I was able to get to Master with him without even using MK as a poke. Being able to use his other buttons more to try and mix up approaches and strings is very welcome.

Oh right, I heard that headbutt ends sooner if you jump over it, so Honda isn’t full screen again. I haven’t seen it yet but it sounds big

@yagami999913

Ай бұрын

yeah, if you neutral jump with a normal that crosses up, headbutt basically lands right behind you and gets hit with said crossup.

So basically they nerfed his spam, buffed his neutral, I hope these changes will make him a better character

@northernstar5941

Ай бұрын

Honestly he's a lot better now, and much more fun to play both as and against.

Congrats on your graduation dood

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Honda’s stand MK before.

@Bafael

2 ай бұрын

Same

I wonder if EX hands as a "spend 2 bars to attempt frametrap but get plus frames if they hold it" is a thing now. +2 is a real mix.

Really appreciate all the work you are putting into this ❤

Thank you for the thorough and accurate breakdown! I'm really excited to see what Honda can get up to now post patch, feelin good about it and having fun playing around with his new tricks. Hope we see him in tournaments soon. Dosukoi!

Brilliant video thanks so much for making it nice quick and precise!

Nice that E. Honda got changes. I’m just waiting for the Zangief patch video and that’s it.

In the corner, punish counter DI leads to j.2MK 2HK Sumo Slam which is the highest damage i could find spending absolutely zero other resources (hands, super, drive). Using some other resources the normal routes only amount to like 100 more damage

Seems like they nerfed 'party hard' Honda in favour of giving him more tools to encourage some sort of coherent ground game (or what passes for a ground game in SF6 at least).

@StreetFighterWWE

2 ай бұрын

That’s basically what Rooflemonger’s been saying.

@jettisonantics

2 ай бұрын

What's that last part supposed to mean

@beyheter

2 ай бұрын

It means he's a crybaby

@doctordice2doctordice210

2 ай бұрын

@@beyheter"new game has no neutral new game has no footsies , new game easy" Pick your poison

@pastorofmuppets9346

2 ай бұрын

​@doctordice2doctordice210 this is probably the first time in history where the new sf is considerably harder than the last one but yeah neutral aint very clean in 6, tho cant say if its worse than 5 or not in that regard

Punish Counter stMP now combos straight into sumo dash launcher. This combo will work at all ranges stMP hits.

Good buffs but they still didn't address his core issues of not being able to read

hands like e honda

the honda oicho change affects the match vs dhalsim. Meaty oicho used to go under dhalsim reversal level 2, now it doesnt

Honda big fun

I just want Honda to be a fair character not too strong not too weak

the side swtich combo can juggle into od slam or level 1 or 3 super lol, it's very dumb

From ex teppo triple slap (2nd hit) u can cancel to super 2

@Bafael

Ай бұрын

You could do that last version too

Jonda was underrated even season 1. People think hea really bad because of the "random headbutt and buttslam" pnline players out there, but if you play him lile a grappler who does combos and only use headbutts and slams in combos, hes quite solid and under appreciated. Hes not top 8 or anything, but he was fine.

@dragonic22

2 ай бұрын

Jonda is top tier, wdym

@northernstar5941

Ай бұрын

A better grappler than Manon tbh

what is the point of headbutt now, besides combo ender? I guess a meterless way to take drive gauge off of your opponent, at the cost of immediately giving it back to them because they get to press a medium button on you? Maybe only worth it if they only have one or two bars left, I guess.

@destroybuster

2 ай бұрын

anti-air

@northernstar5941

Ай бұрын

It's a great anti air, can move you in when dealing with defensive players and if you space it right you get a throw. And like you said a combo ender. Still pretty useful just not spammy

🦥

You wont explain lower or higher level.Too much info.

I could be wrong on this, but I think the added hitstop when destroying fireballs is actually a nerf, since hitstop doesn't apply on the character throwing the fireball as far as I know.

It has nothing to do with low level,fast moves beat everybody lile hello jesus? Lol

They shit on this character. Worst in the game. He was already bottom 3 so now he’s for sure bottom 1 since no one around him received any nerfs. But yeah, let’s buff Luke and Ken though. What a joke.

@z1u512

2 ай бұрын

...huh? Honda got buffed tho

@MitoNova583

2 ай бұрын

they nerfed "brainless" Honda, he actually got pretty good buffs otherwise

@1300zw

2 ай бұрын

he got alot better in this patch

@ShineyRcus0103

2 ай бұрын

>Honda receives substantial buffs that encourages a more thoughtful line of play >WAHHHH THEY NERFED HIM :(((( GAME SUCKS HE'S SO BAD lmao

@computervision557

2 ай бұрын

Honda got big buff for the players who has some sense of neutral, especially those players with 1800mr+