I made an Int Rogue Gnome who at level 1 was not only was trained in 15 skills, but also knew 12 languages. I really like the rogue.

Lol Nonat, your "sabotage" trolling was awesome.

@brutusthecat6044

3 жыл бұрын

I was listening in the background, I had to do a double take.

@billeth0

3 жыл бұрын

I was watching it on TV and had to pull this up on my phone for the comments to make sure it was a troll.

@gman1515

3 жыл бұрын

It caused me physical discomfort

@ElaraDreamstar

2 жыл бұрын

The totally straight face while trolling.....

@XHobbiesPrime

Жыл бұрын

I knew he was trolling and I was still enraged the ENTIRE TIME.

Nonat, dropping a new video: “GIVE ME AN HOUR OF YOUR LIFE” Me, watching this a second time: “I can only give you two”

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Deal

@SigurdBraathen

2 жыл бұрын

I think I'm back here for the fourth time now. Thank you, mr. "2 to 20".

Still haven’t played an actual game of pf2e but theory balance wise giving dex to damage to only one class really helps get rid of “dex god stat” situations that happen

@laki7480

3 жыл бұрын

I really dislike dnd 5e for automatically giving dex to damage, making str or dex usually a "dump stat" instead of wanting both, and dex just being so much more useful overall

@greenhillmario

3 жыл бұрын

@@laki7480 dex just being infinitely more versatile than str is the biggest issue because str builds still need dex but dex builds can drop str. Shit sucks

@amiablereaper

Жыл бұрын

I'd still say that Dex is the best stat in 2e. There's actually dex to damage for a wide variety of martial classes, but there's still no way to get str to ac.

@kevinbarnard355

Жыл бұрын

@@amiablereaper You can get STR to AC. That's the point of heavy armor. While your stat isn't applied, it's what allows you to have the same or better armor class than Dex to AC.

@AdamDavidDunlop

Жыл бұрын

@@amiablereaper What other ways can you get Dex to damage?

The different books in every frame was great for the intro

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Nice perception check 😉

@JacksonOwex

3 жыл бұрын

I REALLY liked the Starfinder one, another game I have been looking into recently

@davy0209

3 жыл бұрын

@@JacksonOwex How is Starfinder? Do you know what the biggest differences to Pathfinder are (besides the setting, obviously)? I‘m also interested but not too sure what to expect

@RancidPandemic

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed this when I caught a glimpse of the starfinder book and went back too far when going back to rewatch it.

@malkyn9998

3 жыл бұрын

@@davy0209 It's an interesting bridge between PF1 and PF2, hews a bit closer to 1e. PF2 is great because it let Paizo fully finishing losing the shackles of 3.5.

Hey, you. Thanks for watching! I hope you enjoyed me talking for an HOUR about this awesome class. Don't forget to leave a like, subscribe, and maybe check out my patreon for some cool homebrew content. You rock! www.patreon.com/Nonat1s

@nugsnotdrugs7717

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Hey You You, Thank you all for watching! No Way No Way, Don't forget to Subscribe!

@silhudepol6939

3 жыл бұрын

Rogue it is, Nonat "Patrick" 1s!

@Vawk20

3 жыл бұрын

As a newcomer to the system, I'd really like a mini video on common ways to get the enemy flat footed

@justincampbell5987

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you say sabotage the way you do. As I finish that sentence you address it. Mad respect. I was going to break down the proper enunciation. I'm awful sorry

You know why Watch your Back is also good? First action watch your back, second action Scare to Death, which they now take a -2 to.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brutal XD

25:03 NoNat: there are not really and thrown weapons builds in PF2E My ruffian javelin thrower: I'm about to end this mans whole carrier

@gm9460

3 жыл бұрын

What is the build?

I want to take a moment to defend the "oh, I actually do have this item" feats. I know you complained about them in the Investigator video, but they crop up again here and I just want to go to bat for them. It's just a different playstyle. The rogue and the investigator are both trying to appeal to the same character fantasy; the always-prepared clever scoundrel who always has just the right item for the situation. Problem: Adventuring gear can cost a lot of money, especially when runes and magic items are also monopolizing your valuable gold. It's not the end of the world if you don't have climbing gear when you suddenly happen upon a sheer cliff, but it can be annoying when you concept your character as "I'm prepared for anything, and I've got a tool for every situation!", and then the GM keeps throwing you into the situations you haven't prepared for. This allows you to worry less about "hmm, do I need FOUR of these items or can I get away with only three" and worry more about investing in the runes that Pathfinder 2e literally expects you to keep up to date on. I'd like to use an example from the current game I'm GMing. I'm running a 5e game with some friends. Two of them are completely new to DnD, one is a bit of a space-case and forgets things easily, and the last is a little frazzled from essentially being the team dad and sometimes being the only one who knows what he's doing (bless him). These players have so much to worry about that I really don't want to grill them over their inventory. Every time they run into a situation, they look down at their inventory, they see nothing that actually helps them, and then they just sit there and wonder why they're carrying around all this useless shit. It feels upsetting to feel like you picked all the wrong items, especially when you're new and you don't even realize those can be important. Not only that, but these players...they tend to forget they have shit a lot. Like, a LOT. Like, as in I gave them a really fancy and cool magic item from a dungeon with a neat name, they discussed it over the course of the next week as to who should get primary dibs on it, and then come next session I asked "so what are you guys doing with (magic item)?", and one of the players just asked me "what (magic item)?" So I implemented a new house rule: the Inventory Die. Essentially I removed their inventories and instead assigned each class an Inventory Die. Any time my players want to use a mundane item that would help them that they can reasonably explain to me why they'd have it, they get to pull it out and they roll their inventory die. If they roll above a 2, they're fine, nothing happens. If they roll a 1 or a 2, their inventory die goes down a step. So a character with a d8 inventory could suffer 3 total failures on their inventory roll before they're spent (d8 fails into d6, d6 fails into d4, d4 fails into an empty backpack). The larger your inventory die, the more readily you can dig into your pack for random items before you start to run out of supplies. If you have a lower die size, you may want to try to find other ways to solve your problems before you end up completely spent. They don't have to track an inventory they don't fully understand, they don't run into problems where they forget the shit they already have, and they get to solve problems creatively on the spot rather than trying to preemptively solve every problem in the store before the adventure happens, which also means when they do go shopping, it's for very flashy things that have impact rather than "i need more fukken caltrops". I run cinematic games, so I'm less concerned with tracking everything in their backpacks and more concerned with seeing someone pull out a clutch item at just the right moment and save the day.

@NemisCassander

Жыл бұрын

That Inventory Die idea is genius. I'd be very interested in knowing how you assigned them to the different classes.

@kythian

Жыл бұрын

@@NemisCassander I want to say I've seen the inventory die somewhere before, some system that worked to simplify certain of the more tedious aspects of RPGs, but I can't recall where. However, one alternative would be to charge the characters a set amount of money to "buy" an inventory die, or increase the level of the die. Perhaps something like 5gp (or as appropriate for the economy of your game and table) to buy a d4 Inventory Die. Each additional level adds another 5gp, so that a d6 would be 10gp, d8 costs 15gp, and so forth, to a max of a d12. I'd need to play test something like this before being comfortable with it, but I think the idea of an Inventory Die could be implemented in a number of ways.

@seileen1234

Жыл бұрын

I will try that

Comment for the algorithm! Rogues are great and the way they are done in Pathfinder 2E is just awesome. This class has so many kinds of flavors that feel totally different. Great video as always, looking forward to your Ranger deep dive.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

The algorithm thanks you. (And I do too!)

"I told you guys! You don't fuck with our barbarian. She's crazy! Oh shit, and now she's got her eyes on you. I'd say run, but that won't help!"

Upon hearing of the Eldritch Trickster, I immediately went to the Summoner Archetype to see if it had Basic Spellcasting features, which it did, because I realized that that would be a really easy and effective Aladdin build. But then I remembered that there's no Genie Eidolon. Guess a Demon has to do.

00:00 Intro 1:30 Key ability and proficiencies 3:15 Rogue racket(subclass) 3:55 Ruffian racket 5:44 Scoundrel racket 6:55 Thief racket 8:10 Eldritch trickster racket 9:28 Mastermind racket 10:30 Sneak attack(1st level) 11:15 Surprise attack(1st level) 11:50 Rogue skill feats progression 12:25 Rogue skill increase progression 12:46 Deny advantage(2nd level) 13:00 Weapon tricks(5th level) 13:25 Debilitating strike(9th level) 14:38 Double debilitation(15th level) 15:03 Master strike(19th level) 16:38 1st level Rogue feats 21:30 2nd level Rogue feats 25:50 4th level Rogue feats 32:33 6th level Rogue feats 37:04 8th level Rogue feats 39:20 You can go nyah 44:08 10th level Rogue feats 47:12 12th level Rogue feats 50:33 14th level Rogue feats 53:29 16th level Rogue feats 54:59 ASMR 59:13 18th level Rogie feats 1:02:45 20th level Rogue feats

@natanoj16

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot one really important timestamp: 39:28

@milanmarkovic2721

3 жыл бұрын

@@natanoj16 Sorry. I'll add it.

@AlossFS

3 жыл бұрын

Ando 54:55 for the ASMR

@milanmarkovic2721

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlossFS Added

Just a minor precision here for "Steal spell" feat: it says "when you use Lengendary thief", which is a 1 min activity, preventing to steal spell while in combat. But you can exhaust spells from a sleeping spellcaster that way, stealing them and wait 4 rounds each time to let the stollen spell been lost, not using it to remain hidden.

I love how you announced it on stream as a joke and chat bullied you into actually doing it lol. Gonna have a blast watching this one!

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

They threw money at it me and it bruised my wallet. They made me do it!!!

@nothingelsetodoZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s I mean, this is one of the best instances of bullying I guess.

@danielkrona4091

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s Perfect use of plant evidence, right there.

Wow. A lot of ideas going through my head. Like: 1) Play with the Free Archetype Rule. Play Rogue. Eldritch Trickster. Choose Wizard for Eldritch Trickster. Pick up the Alchemist Archetype feats with the optional rule. You're the closest thing to Batman (Prep). Insane stealth, thievery, athletics, acrobatics, and investigation. A utility belt of abilities (arcane spells, potions, mutagens, poisons, bombs) that you can customize based on what you're dealing with. High knowledge in a lot of areas (base skills + high intelligence for additional skills). Precision damage on strikes

Predictive Purchase; because how else does Batman know to pack Shark Repellant in his utility belt?

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

You got me there.

Hot take: Rogues are the "main character" of classes. They're just good at everything, have a million ways you can build them, and are all about showing off. Source = currently playing one now and it's my favorite class.

@qwertyasdf9290

3 жыл бұрын

Oozes

@laki7480

3 жыл бұрын

I could say the same for investigators and even perhaps swashbucklers. And please try the slithering adventure, you will hate it. A final hot take: Valeros is more main character than Merissiel

43:11 Tactical Entry lets you trade being hidden for a free action and a chance to use Surprise Strike. You can only use it if you beat your enemies in initiative, so Surprise Strike is guaranteed, and in most cases you are going to blow your cover in the first round anyway.

24:51 there is *kinda* a thrown build, Lost Omens Pathfinder Guide added Fane's Fourberie Where you can fight with playing cards and treat them as knives or darts

You could actually loosen the pommel of a long sword using Sabotage. When the enemy attempt to use it, the blade would fly free from the handle and go off into space. The DM must be mindful in the instance of the use as to what might actually be able to be sabotaged and what not.

@elwayfan01

2 жыл бұрын

Was totally expecting an "end the enemy rightly" joke there.

@BobertTheThirdson

Жыл бұрын

Except the feat specifically calls out swords as ineligible. Also a pommel, under normal circumstances, is not a moving part, it is a part for sure, but it is snugly secured and stays immobile during operation. This skill is doing something quick and easy like cutting a bow or crossbow string (or possible just unstringing them) or detaching the chain of a Morningstar, something that could feasibly be done easily in a single action with only a simple hand trick. To remove a pommel typically requires bracing the sword against something, and using a percussive instrument to hammer off the pommel, usually requiring multiple strikes to dislodge it, which would require full control of the weapon, it's not something you could do while it is in an opponent's possession, not without magic, and this feat is not a magical one. You could argue that the opponent may have a poorly maintained sword and the pommel is extremely loose, but that would be highly situational and not something the feat would trigger, because again, it would require magic to make it so every opponent you face somehow has a loose pommel. The sabotage you're talking about is something that would occur before a battle. like sneaking into an enemy camp's armory and sabotaging all the weapons before the battle the next day, this is something any character can do, but it requires full control of the weapons and time to do it. It's not this rogue feat which is going to typically be used mid-battle or possibly shortly before while the enemy is alert and is possession of their weapon, with extreme finesse, not brute force.

"I encourage all my players to take Prescient Planner and use it every time it becomes available." - nonat

This GREAT! Having played D&D since 78 I decided yesterday to pick up Pathfinder 2e Core Rules, Adv Players Guide, Bestiary and some PC sheets. Diving in because more is better. Played a Rouge PC my entire life and can’t wait for my first IRL at the table with a P2e Rogue.

@Nonat1s

2 жыл бұрын

Rogues in 2e are absolutely my favorite of any system! They're the ULTIMATE skill monkey!

We commonly refer to the Rogue as "The Alpha Class" at our weekly PFS sessions. But I made a Gnome Tiefling Rogue who is a Scoundrel and Captivator Dedication, she is essentially a low-powered Dandasuka now.

A point about Overextending Feint - you can Feint twice, and take a different effect each time. Unbalancing Blow; some enemies have All-around Vision or Deny Advantage, etc.

There ARE builds for thrown-weapon rogues :D They got a lot of thrown-weapon-love in the APG (so did the fighter and barbarian). Combine it with the Dual-Weapon Warrior archetype and you can go absolutely crazy with thrown weapons! Awesome video as always! Edit: Oh sorry, I hadn't watched til the end when writing the comment =D

@radred609

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, NoNat was also speaking too early x'D

31:00 "Predictable!" is a really good thing from narrative perspective. I really love it!

I think the big reason why Rogues have such a low armor proficiency is to compensate for Nimble Dodge. Since Rogues don't have lots to do with their reaction, this is basically a feat that you can pick to increase your AC to +2. Granted, it's only against a single attack, but still, that's pretty good for 1x1.

I had this video running in the background while I worked and wasn't looking at it during the sabotage situation. At first I really thought sayboteg was a word. Good one!

Hey! My names there! Thanks a bunch for the video!! Been super looking forward to a rogue deep dive! Glad to have it so early!!!

Important to note for the Ruffian, if you want heavy armor you can just take the Sentinel dedication and you immediately gain heavy armor proficiency that scales at the same rate as your medium armor. I play a Ruffian Rogue Orc, front lining with a mace and a shield in full plate armor.

One thing you missed with swift elusion. It's not in the feat itself but synergy. Legendary sneak, you're always sneaking. If you've got invisibility or hidden paragon. Baddy seeks moves rogue from undetected to hidden, success, 2nd action stride up to rogue, reaction stride to a different stay adjacent square. Guess who's undetected again in a different square. Not better than blank slate but amazing.

Been waiting ages for this! thank you

You should make some builds of the classes you cover too. I'd love to see you building a rogue, specialy an Eldritch trickster.

Awesome video dude, I don't know how easy it'll be to convince my players to watch a full hour to learn Rogue but this was super helpful for me who also wants to learn how to craft a Rogue myself.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

I want to make shorter versions of these class guides in the future. Namey, I want to remake my super old "Beginner's Guide" videos where I explain the whole class in less than 15 minutes. (in far less detail)

@Wolfmin39

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s I can see how those would be helpful. Kinda gel it down to "if this sounds neat, you'll love the nitty gritty of the full class stuff." I personally love these super long videos so thank you for making it cause it really helped me see what kind of stuff this class is capable of and what makes it unique.

Having just started PF and making a rogue because, after 20 year of TTRPGs I never played one, this is incredibly helpful

@Nonat1s

2 жыл бұрын

I've only played one once in 10 years, and the campaign ended after 3 sessions! It was a rogue/cleric multiclass too. Was super interesting.

My first ever PF2e character I made is for an upcoming campaign. Eldritch Trickster Rogue, variant Human. I don’t have access to my chacarse sheet atm but I think I choose Witch as the spell casting source too. Basically my character is going to be an NPC from my own 5e Curse of Strahd campaign. The party’s rogue killed their friend in front of them, blamed an enemy, and everyone believed him on a 29 deception roll cause he was around a corner. Then Nimir (my character) got mauled by a fiendish Spirit Guardians but survived- a commoner that made their save against what would have been 7 damage, halved to 3- thus gaining some dark magic. The line from my campaign that’ll always haunt them? After the rogue killed their friend he disappeared. Then he came from around a corner to backstab an enemy, rolling a 25 Intimidation to keep Nimir quiet. After he successfully Sneak Attacked he said, “Good job, screaming is for the weak” before dying himself 2 rounds later. I’m so excited to play Nimir

Man, rogues are a powerhouse of effects and versatility.

Took some donations but we finally got the Rogue!

Every time I watch one of those videos, I'm so hyped, I just have to open Pathbuilder 2 to just mess around the character creation. 😅 Love them. 😁

well, another class in the list of ones i want to try (actually all classes are on that list). best rackets are mastermind and eldritch trickster

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

EVERY time I make one of these videos I get like 3 new character ideas I want to play

@rickbau7476

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s yeah, and there are tons of options to explore

Starting my second (permanent) Pathfinder character soon. Eno Makovic. Human Ruffian rogue. Rapier in 1 hand, whip in the other… you know, the whip that can trip, disarm, agile and finesse, and has a range of 10 feet allowing him to provide flanking without being in most creature’s attack range. Took a feat to get access to martial weapons just to get access to the whip lol. The party also has a fighter with a 10 foot reach weapon. Imagine- round 1, we both go before the big baddie, I disarm the target and deal a sneak attack from 10 feet back, the fighter trips and does a power attack from 10 feet back. The target has to (1) stand up (2) pick up or draw their weapon (3) if it isn’t, close the distance with one of us or throw out a 1 action spell.

Rogues are definitely crazy. You need to be aware of all your feats at all times to make good use of them. Not easy.

NoNat ASMR rules Seriously though, Rogues in PF2 rule. I'm playing a scoundrel rogue who heals more than they do damage, and has every non-Lore skill trained or better except for Survival. You can make so many varied and unique characters just from this class alone.

Fully enjoying your channel, my dude.

i know that this was made 2 years ago but good lord your pronunciation of sabotage actually gave me whiplash

29:55 here we see an example of the different ways a scoundrel rogue uses subterfuge to further their own goals, as opposed to other types of rogues

Whoa hooaaa oh sabotage! Things sound never quite the way they seem. 🎶

Fun fact: Rogues aren't martials, they're a skill class. Thought they were built on a different chassis and then the Investigator playtest all but confirmed it but the Ancestor Oracle really confirmed it. That makes Swashbucklers skill-martial hybrids and we're getting caster-martial hybrids (magus and summoner) now we just need a skill-caster hybrid.

@gm9460

3 жыл бұрын

How did the oracle confirm it? Because they gave three options implying three chassis?

@Lechteron

3 жыл бұрын

From the beginning they seemed different. But with the three outcomes for ancestor oracles and the Investigator being built the same way. Together they add enough evidence. Plus once when I mentioned it in the FB group one of the Paizo folk (Michael Sayre if I remember correctly) liked the comment. None of them alone are hard evidence granted but taken together they certainly heavily point in that direction. And then add in how differently the Swashbuckler functions from other martials...

Cheeky Sabotage trolling Quick thing for Mastermind Rogues, I think playing around with Additional Lore (auto leveling lore skills always handy), Assurance and Automatic knowledge could be fun. Throw in Loremaster to get the Advantage focus spell when you actually want to roll. Definitely better for APs where certain types of monster will come up more often than not throughout the AP

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Assurance is great for normal successes, but that critical success effect is just SO dang juicy. I feel like you always want to try for it.

@biggrumpygamer7388

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s See i agree in cases, but perhaps not for the lower level creature you might face. For me, if you have automatic knowlegde to hit a certain DC and get a round of sneak attack off without help as a free action against things you might kill in a round with that extra (potentially 6+ d6 in a round).... then roll with the loremaster spell two dice to shoot for the crit against something a bit meatier

I never knew I'd appreciate ASMR nonat

A rogue with Watch Your Back would nicely compliment a witch with Evil Eye. I really like feats like Prescient Planner since you don't have to spend time actually shopping basic for items and it opens up more RP avenues. Opportune Backstab plus Leave an Opening would be brutal for anything caught between a rogue and a fighter with Combat Reflexes. Speaking of rogue fighter combo, who's reaction resolves first if a rogue uses Stay Down!? Cloud Step would see more frequent use than Blank Slate; Blank Slate would be really GM dependent. Thematically Implausible Infiltration would go well with the Oozemorph archetype. What surprised me about the rogue is just how much of a team player their feats make them, both in relation to martials and casters.

Five Legendary skills? Try Six, and that's just with default. If you get the Acrobat Archetype, you can make it Seven Legendary skills since Acrobatics automatically scales with it. If you take Additional Lore, that becomes Eight Legendary skills (and one more with each time you take it). Though a better version of Additional Lore is Gnome Obsession, which does the same thing, but also scales your starting Lore, so that would be Nine Legendary skills by the end (though you can't take it multiple times). Rogues and also Investigators make great skill classes (So does Bard, but in a more choice limited way).

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you tell me this? This just makes me want to play a rogue even more.

@Mewzard

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s Sorry, I just love a good skill monkey. The Investigator's also a fantastic option in that regard, they can also get that many skill proficiencies, plus they can add their level to any untrained Recall Knowledge check, so they're also fantastic for skills. Honestly one of the best classes for the Medicine skill too. I should be getting a 2e game going as soon as our 1e Hell's Rebels game ends, and Skilling is something I want to focus on.

Great video! thanks for te tips

To be fair, you can do overextending feint for both effects on a turn, you just have to normal feint as well

ASMR finishing part is great! :D

I kind of want to take Barbarian with the Rogue Dedication just to combine "You're Next" and "Scared to death"

@austinobst8989

3 жыл бұрын

"you're next" is a good investment for most intimidation builds.

@Hughes81

3 жыл бұрын

And a Barbie is likely to actually kill things. :)

@gm9460

3 жыл бұрын

They don’t combine. Scare to death takes an action so cannot be added to the reaction from YN

@laki7480

3 жыл бұрын

@@gm9460 you can demoralize them first and then scare to death for increased chance of success

@gm9460

3 жыл бұрын

Laki7 ooh. For some reason I thought scare to death was just an enhanced demoralise. But they are separate. Good to know as I am an intimidate ruffian. Great with rogue because at level 16 I can take legendary in society and legendary linguist to remove the main barriers to that ability

46:24 not sure if mentioned later but at one point you can pick 2 of these options because of a rogue class feature

That rogue rolling skill checks bit where the DM switches to the Starfinder book had me literally rolling out of my chair laughing.

The character level 1 I'm playing right now (Strength of Thousands over @ BDG) is trained in... All Skills... And 3 Lores. And for those who may ask Mastermind Rogue...

Nonat had the Fatigued condition by the time he got to the Level 20 feats.

It's important that you only apply your critical specialization if your target is flat-footed. I mean, who attacks enemies normally with a rogue, but sometimes that can be the only option.

I don't care for how most people sound while whispering. That being sad, I found your voice surprisingly calming once the whispering hit. Future ASMR videos perhaps?

"its an investigator feat, it feels weird to put it on a rouge." he knows the investigator in 1e was a hybrid class of alchemist and rouge so cross over shouldnt be that weird. good video dude

Boyer you probs dont remember me but its Kindoru from caffeine. so glad to see you doing well my friend. much love and keep on going

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Much love, brother! Hope things are awesome with you too!!

the way you say sabotage really gives me the "this is the first time ive seen your vids" vibes, mostly because thats the case, but still

That outro was the most relatable yet lmao

Is funny how the fighter and the rogue are real best friends in this sistem. Put these two against someone and the enemy will run away crying.

I'm a forever GM at the moment, but should I have the chance to play as a character, rogue is the class I'm most excited to try. Specifically mastermind rogue! I just wanna spam recall knowledges and bust out double damage sneak attacks.

6:49 i love that little editing slip up (I am assuming) laughing so hard at this ;D ... that little awkward pause and then you think you start talking... only to have a the jump cut nevertheless haha :D amazing video as always mate, keep at it!

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, the raw footage was 2 hours long. I'm not surprised something slipped up in there. I've fixed in the built-in youtube editor, but that was an hour ago and it still hasn't processed it lol

Hidden paragon is literally the superpower "you're invisible as long as nobody can see you."

KZread notifications you have failed me.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

But discord will always be there for you

I was gonna confusingly comment asking if that was another way of pronouncing "sabotage" lol THANK YOU FOR THIS VID BTW BC ROGUES ARE ALWAYS MY FAVOURITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

with thrown stuff, you could add the "Rule-Of-Cool" and have small explosive thrown weapons like the explosive stars in the classic TMNT cartoon

I think that rogue just might be my favorite class in the core rulebook for PF 2e. I would ordinarily prefer casters, like in 5e, but in 2e, the way that casters handled the 3 action economy, it's hardly any different from 5e. Spells are worth 2 actions, and your 3rd action is basically reserved for 5e style concentration. If I am to play PF 2e, I play it for the flexibility of all the different situational actions you can take, and when you can do 3 per turn rather than 1 per turn, you can take advantage of those extra options.

i needed to listen to the sabotage part 3 times bc i couldn't focus. thank you.

Wasn't bothered either way for class guides but Thank you regardless stream donators!!!

You’re Next has the problem of it being a reaction until level 15 and there quickly becomes better choices Missed that legendary thing though because I don’t usually look that far ahead!

Nimble dodge isn't comparable to reactivate shield. It only works on the attack that triggered it. Reactive shield works for the rest of the turn

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

That's a fair point. Didn't think of that part.

@austinobst8989

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s great content as always though!

Starting at 52:20, we get Nonat1s ASMR. Enjoy!

how dose telekanitic projectial do 5d6+(cast mod) at lvl 5? I thought it was a new die every spell level you have (as in lvl 3 spellcaster, that get 3d6+mod) or was that an example with sneak attack?

@gm9460

3 жыл бұрын

Yes 2d6 sneak

I would love a con based poison rogue that has a mechanic where they store the poison in there body and using the poisons causes persistence damage to the rogue. Also I wish the rogue had more for two weapon fighting.

Nonat: "Why are they giving support for a Thrown Weapon Rogue? that's weird." Me: THIS MAN HAS NEVER PLAYED MORROWIND AND SHOULD FIX THAT

The bit about tele. Projectile would deal 5d6 as a 5th level spell at 10th character level, right? Heighten spell always confuses me. So, at 11th character level you would be doing 5d6+3d6+4? or whatever your bonus is on a sneak attack. Too bad it is a 2 action spell.

That intro... I can relate (halfling thief with lots of deception) . Anything but nature, religion, survival, or medicine. He is a city mouse and a gambler, and he's quite selfish. He'd rather just buy potions and sleep in a feather bed after a night of carousing.

Can you do a class tier list based off subclass?

note on the "shove down" class feat that "assurance" skill feat on athletics takes away the MAP from the trip

Just out of dumb curiosity... If a player is an Orc Rogue with the Eldritch Trickster racket, is it possible to get Hand of the Apprentice as a Wizard spell? If so, what level does the PC have to be? I like the idea of using TKP for 5d4+5 damage at level 5, but that's from 30 to 60 feet away... I'm a bit more keen towards an Orc Rogue with a Greataxe "swinging" for 1d12+mod+S.A. from 500 ft. :)

Great video! Inspired me to make a Saboteur racket, here's the write up, hope you can take a look: "You gain the Mispronounce action that deals mental damage equal to your sneak attack... ya frickin' troll"

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

I took that at level 2. It's great.

@Okamieru

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s God help us all. Also I realized, you'd be so opposed to my champion/rogue knife thrower, and I suppose that's my revenge?

I think who ever wrote this class and all the sub-classes was/is a fan of the TV show "Leverage".

Reactive pursuit Negates Step and abilities similar to the rogues own ability to move half thier speed without AOO's.

Overextending feint is good when you're already flanking. Gives you something to do with feint then

So let's see if I maybe get some ideas for my Half-Orcess Glasha who is an Eldritch Trickster which I for once, have not planned much ahead ^^

I am not understanding how Analyze weakness allows for quadruple sneak attack damage. Does sneak attack damage double on crits? (I thought it didn't)

tbh, I don't really think the Thief needed to have *that* ability, because that Dex-To-Damage thing really messes with the structure of other parts of the system, like, I could feasibly argue that Swashbucklers should get it too, because a Rapier is MUCH less about just shanking your opponent and more about finding the soft meaty tissue that isn't well protective (like the throat), I think Thief would've been better off with some sort of movement ability (like idk, take the Skirmisher ability from 5e to give them the ability to move without provoking opportunity as a reaction when someone enters your range or something, might be a bit powerful in Pathfinder but idk)

Iirc there are general and skill (???) feats that allow you to use cards as thrown weapons and do a lot of interesting things with them. Put this on a rogue and it should be a very fun "gambit" light build.

Thief goblin rogue. I love it

Can you not use swift sneak with tactical entry? Tactical entry says you stride, and swift sneak says you can swift sneak instead of striding.

Does magical trickster work with dual class optional rule?

Regarding shove down, shouldn't the multiple attack penalty be -4 as long as you are doing it with a free hand? Fists are agile weapons after all.

@laki7480

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, it does not work like that, the "weapon" need to have trip trait to gain benefit of agile (like wolf style, and I am not 100% even that works). Free hand is normally required to make the skill check avaible