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@crestk507

3 жыл бұрын

Look here nonat you can only run from the fighter breakdown for so long. On a serious note great content as always fav 2e youtuber definetly checking out stone instinct.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

@@crestk507 Haha, I know! I know! Believe it or not, I actually recorded half of it two weeks ago, but I wasn't happy with it, so I need to re-do it!

@thecourtjester1410

3 жыл бұрын

love the list so here are my ideas on how to change some of the subclasses for the better. (note my opinions) Superstition barb make it is anamthama linked to the resistance that you get at lv 9. so say if you chose occult and arcane as you resistance then if you wizard tries to cast haste on you then this would break your anamthama but if a cleric cast haste on you then i would not break it case that not the tradition of magic you hate. i would also change mage hunter to a basic AO but if its a spellcaster that you despise then you deal i would say you increase the success of the hit by one crit miss --> miss and so on Storm giant for utility as you mentioned give it a feat at inflicts a condition linked to the giant of chose as you said. fury..... i got nothing but CHANGE ITS RISITANCE TO ALL PHYSICAL DAMAGE and give it feats that are more utility based such as conditions, movement options and make it the utility of the barbarians through a number of feats. the other subs are fine and hahahahahahha marketing ...

To be fair to superstition instinct, it's absolutely ESSENTIAL for the best build in the game. Dhampir azerketi barbarian. No healing, no benefits from spells, and if you're away from a lake for more than a day, you just die.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Truly the hero we all deserve.

@devcrom3

3 жыл бұрын

Bonus points if you dedicate or dual class into a druid and champion of Desna for MAXIMUM ANATHEMA.

@alarkhar

2 жыл бұрын

@@devcrom3 Druids are spellcasters, so no dice.

I'll be honest: while turning into a Dragon is fucking cool, I really prefer being a shaman pissed off and summoning Great Old Jenkins, his Grand-Grand-Grandfather to beat the ever-living shit out of the necromancer that killed him.

Fury is the best instinct to choose when dedicating into barbarian just for a few utility feats, so you don't get an anathema

One thing I'd like to point out that people seem to overlook about the Superstition Barbarian is that it actually pairs really well with Alchemists. Alchemical items are specifically not magic. With free archetype you can take Alchemist and handle at least some of the healing yourself, and/or get other quasi-magical benefits. It's a build I'd like to take for a whirl some day at the very least.

@MenwithHill

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe roleplay as the bodyguard of an alchemist, as part of like a mercenary/merchant duo ? That'd work pretty well indeed.

Personally I think it's a simple solution to the issue with the Anathema: Do what Superstitious Resilience does and pick only two Traditions to not allow. I mentioned this in the comments of a prior Barbarian Video but it'd basically fit into superstition while also permitting your party to use magic on you without it causing a conflict. Example: your superstitions are based around a dislike of Arcane and Divine Magic due to you seeing them as trying to taint the natural world and the spirits there and the others in the Party are say, an Occult Sorcerer and a Druid. You'd see their magic as more pure/natural and less like the other two that bend things to how they see it. Depending on which two you pick, it could be a good way to build this up and develop why you hold these kind of beliefs.

It's worth noting that Sudden Charge is nice...but Raging Intimidation gets you two free skill feats, one of which is the Legendary Scare to Death feat (instant kill foes with Intimidate), and is the only way to intimidate or Scare to Death while raging. That's a great reason to get two level 1 Barbarian Feats. As for Giant Instinct, I love that the size increases are the same regardless of your own size. So a small Goblin or a Tiny Sprite can hit Huge size by the end (and small Goblins can still use a Large Bastard Sword and swing it one handed like Cloud). Terrify your enemies like never before! Also, if you combine Giant Instinct Barbarian with the Vigilante Archetype, you can play as Ultraman, and I just love that.

@zenvariety9383

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that but orcs would make the best barbarians. The scarred orc and battle ready orc are perfect for survivability and intimidation. I'm not a player yet myself, but orcs seem to be the best choice for barbarians.

@megavore97

3 жыл бұрын

@@zenvariety9383 Orcs are indeed very good barbarians, I think humans come pretty close too.

@zenvariety9383

3 жыл бұрын

@@megavore97 I think I've seen NoNat's video breaking down the ancestries, yet he has yet to make one dedicated to orcs. Humans have the ability to pick up extra feats and they have half-orcs as a versatile heritage. Orcs were covered when NoNat did a deeper delve on the Lost Omens ancestries. Orcs tend to gravitate towards marshal classes and would do well in the Magus class once that gets released. Yet their feats do make it easier for a barbarian to not only survive but to deal more damage due to the orc ferocity feat tree and other feats that make use of intimidation and increase survivability. Diehard with Orc Ferocity seem like a good combination for an orc barbarian.

Fury barbarian. When you want to be a fighter but haven't accepted it yet.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

"I'm not a fighter! I'm more like a really angry warrior!"

@nicolasvillasecaali7662

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s What about some archetypes? Do they could make a decent work with the fury barbarian combo chasis?

@mattsullivan2458

3 жыл бұрын

These are all great, however if rate the fury instinct higher because I don't think the flavor of the character strictly needs to come from the "subclass" so to speak. The players can contribute just as much if not more flavor to the character than any subclass ever could, and fury instinct gives you free reign to do just that.

@npaulagain

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattsullivan2458 How is that any different than arguing that a fighter gives nearly maximum freedom to create flavor for a character due to being completely open ended?

@Vawk20

3 жыл бұрын

@@npaulagain it's not different

One thing that I'd like to say in favor of Superstition Instinct is that, although it may be niche, I think it has it's place in certain campaigns. I haven't played in one yet, but I think it'd be really cool to have a party that's anti-magic. There's a surprising amount flavor AND mechanic support for it with superstition instinct for Barbarians, Godless Healing, Elfbane Hobgoblin, and I feel like there's a lot more, but that's what immediately came to mind. That being said, I'll be the first to admit that it'd be nice if some of those niche things with strict party requirements were to come a little later-on in PF2's life cycle, after there are a couple more mainstream options. Then again, there are 5 other Instincts, which is more than most classes have for their respective subclass, so maybe it already was the time for barbarians to get something a little unique like that.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Possible. I think it would've fit better in "Secrets of Magic" tbh. It would be ironically flavorful for the "Anti magic" subclass to release inside the "Magic" focused supplement.

I want to homebrew a Barbarian instinct that revolves around feelings of inadequacy. That is to say, Mad Cuz Bad.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

lol "Treat any negative modifier as though it were positive and add your level"

@poke_onix9235

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s oh that would be insane

@willswanson1840

3 жыл бұрын

RAW, is there any limit on the number of voluntary flaws you take? lol

I don't mind you plugging in your homebrew during your videos, but I think you've done it the best here. In the alchemist and the wizard one, the impression one could get was that of "the other subclasses kinda suck, here is mine" (I know this wasn't the case). I absolutely preferred the promotion in this video, filling a niche that other instinct didn't cover. Keep up the good work!

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This kind of comment really helps me out mentally, haha. Even after doing this for a year, it feels weird to self-plug. But it helps me pay the bills each month 😂. I can see why people got that impression from the other videos, for sure.

@n.l.g.6401

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s Yeah, I think it's important when plugging to not tout yourself as better than official RAW options. I've found a really good way to avoid that--especially when the point of the homebrew is to fix something you don't like about official RAW--is to use "I" statements. You know, "I don't like how Paizo handled this one" instead of "Paizo did a bad job of handling this one." Using "I" statements also helps criticism go down easier and thus is more likely to promote healthy discussion rather than spark a flame war, in my experience. Based on the content I've seen you put out since That One Wizard Video, it looks like you've made an effort to do that already. You put a lot of emphasis on how your analysis is subjective, and it's encouraged me to look more closely at the source material myself so I can figure out my own opinions and join the conversation. Also, this "I" statement thing is totally a psychologically validated method of improving communication skills, and it's neat that you've basically discovered the trick on your own. 10/10 discussion, 10/10 shilling.

The Superstition Instinct is a good topic to bring up during a Session Zero.

@MenwithHill

2 жыл бұрын

It'd be very neat if you build around it

well, glad that spirit and draconic made so high in the rank makes me happy, since they are my favorite instincts (planning on a spirit instinct barbarian with cleric dedication that's a follower of Pharasma and hunts down undead). A like for the haircut too

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks, boss! It feels good to have the hair chopped off! Pharasma Barbarian sounds freakin' sweet.

@decimusdrake5791

3 жыл бұрын

I had a similar idea for a spirit instinct blessed one follower of Pharasma.

For Dragon, there's also the Draconic Arrogance, giving you +2 vs emotion effects when raging. I find this highly useful and flavourful.

Love this new style of ranking! Thank you

PF 2e is the only roleplaying game that makes me want to play a barbarian, that says something. The only one feeling like a fighter is the fury instinct, all the others are pretty fun (i'm currently DMing one giant instinct and one spirit instinct).

@okagisama

3 жыл бұрын

About superstition instinct: i almost forget this one each time, it's pretty fun to imagine but the constraints are way too hard to overcome. I can only imagine someone playing it in a low-magic stamina campaign, else it's just... nah. About manipulative/casting, some spells don't have the manipulate trait (albeit rare), and a "blood" sorcerer (with the right feat) can take some damage to overcome one casting component. It could be a way to make them not feel 100% safe to cast in melee, as a GM tool against some players.

I apologize for my previous comment; I didn't watch enough of the video. This is some great work, and I really liked your thoughts on the Spirit Instinct!

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, I don't think I saw the previous comment, but glad you enjoyed it!! Spirit is way cooler than I originally thought!

@comatthew6

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s i commented that verbal only spells like Shield don't provoke Aoo, but you had mentioned it 30 seconds later after I paused the video to make the um, ackshually comment 😜

0:40 Ranking explained 2:00 Fury 5:51 Superstition 10:40 Giant 14:07 Stone 16:11 Animal 18:41 Spirit 21:50 This might Drag-on but it is worth it.

@rylandrc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@milanmarkovic2721

3 жыл бұрын

@@rylandrc You're welcome.

When you said you were going to fix us not being inside your brain... ouch! On an unrelated matter, earlier this evening I was looking into a vivisectionist splash for Amiri.

I'm currently playing a draconic barbarian (reveres Silver-cold) with a dragon disciple archetype (hates Red-fire). By level 8 I'll have two different dragon breath attacks and at level 9 I will have both cold and fire resistance. Fun factor 12 out of 10!

@asunayuuki1276

3 жыл бұрын

should have been a kobold for a 3rd

@patfanning3792

3 жыл бұрын

@@asunayuuki1276 That would've been nice but I went half-orc. Fit in the backstory I made up in my head

@asunayuuki1276

3 жыл бұрын

@@patfanning3792 As long as your having fun that's all that really matters.

We are playing Abomination vault, and the dm was allowing all ancestries, Hence Snorft, the fleshwarp Aasimir, spirit barbarian was born. Ive played barbs in DnD and 1e, I can say with out a doubt they are so much more fun to play in 2e. He is a spirit barbarian, who is guided by the souls of the bodies that were used to make him a fleshwarp, The majority of him is made of a fallen Aasimir Combat medic who is the main guiding spirit. As a character he is simple and strong, yet has the odd ability of being a fantastic medic. There are times where his personality changes almost like hes possessed (by the aasimir spirit) at second level the aasimir will start coming out more.

For the superstition, you could say that the anathema only applies to the traditions chosen. It stays in the feel while allowing more options.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

That'd be a decent fix. That way your divine cleric can still heal you if you specifically resent arcane and occult magics. I like that.

@npaulagain

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s and can make for some interesting rp. Maybe you're a tiefling and hate divine, but occult interests you. So the cleric cannot heal you, but your bard can. Without going all in on picking up your toys angrily and leaving the party.

Furious Vengeance saves for you two feats instead of spending two feats to achieve almost the same effects. Two feats that can be use for crazy builds. I can't see it as a bad feat at all. Nice video tho!

@dalekreject7324

3 жыл бұрын

Plus your Barb can scream "I will strike down with great anger and Furious Vengeance upon thee!"

@JacksonOwex

3 жыл бұрын

Huh? But.. it IS a bad feat, ESPECIALLY when you look at Vengeful Strike and realize that it is the same thing but you DON'T have to be critically hit for it to work, as he points out in the video. As far as the one feat, two feat, red feat, blue feat... Well I am just lot there!

Giant has a bigger issue of repetitiveness at 14 there's very little reason to do anything but run into the room, rage to get big, then next turn Whirlwind Strike the whole room for the rest of the battle. Maybe the casters haste you so you can move and spin lol. Still a fun time though until then and sometimes after then. Especially with the neat Oversized Throw interaction letting you pitch wagons and stuff. I also one ran with a Giant Instinct barbarian + monk multiclass and grabbed Whirling Throw monk feat with Furious Grab to just rage, hit + grab, then toss dragons around. Freakin' kaiju fight 'em. Good times.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a blast. Big boi throwing anything and everything lol. Pick up the "Friendly Toss" feat to go with it. Just throw EVERYTHING.

@cheezeofages

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s Yeah. Though thinking about that again, now I kinda wanna do a level 10 one-shot with the premise of a video game style "Friendly Toss Challenge" where the players get dual class, one side barbarian regardless of ability scores and they have to take Friendly Toss or Whirling Throw. See if they can make it through a dungeon with the only 'strike' they can do to enemies is through tossing. Perhaps implying their characters are drunken surly folk or something. Would be a funny one-shot for a night of drinks and casual hijinks.

personal opinion: Give Fury instinct damage reduction against all damage instead of just physical, let alone physical weapon damage. It has no offence power, no anathema, and no feats, so it might as well let you wall a bit better than other instincts.

The superstition instinct is certainly problematic but to be fair in PF2, with classes like the alchemist and inventor as well as archetypes like the healer and herbalist I think a non-magical party is considerably more viable than other editions. I like the spirit instinct the most since you get to throw ghosts at people though I think a strength real of Fury is that the lack of interesting class feat options make archetypes much more inviting; also the lack of anathema means they'll never temporarily lose their powers. I would have liked to have seen more discussion of anathema; has there been an anathema vid at all?

Ack! That volume change from ASMR rogue to this was funny.

When is Paizo coming out with the malding subclass

@MeatbagSlayer

Ай бұрын

It'll come with the Cope and Seethe subclasses

"...most formidable and mortal enemy: Doors" Counter argument: Bashing charge

I think my problem with Animal Barbarian is that it doesn’t really give the fantasy of going all animal-y at low levels (which are the most important levels). The unarmed attacks at low level are fine, but you kinda just want to use a weapon instead. So either I’d love it if those were all tuned up or given more utility, or they made it such that when your hands are empty your movement speed is raised. Alternatively or as a supplement, increased perception / initiative could round out the fantasy as well. I dunno. To me, the idea that they’re better tanks is undeniably powerful, I just don’t think it really represents the fantasy of beasts

I have a character concept in my back pocket of a Kobold Dragon instinct Barbarian who is a red dragon that was cursed/polymorphed and wants nothing more than to get his life (and horde) back.

@thebitterfig9903

8 ай бұрын

Along similar lines, I love the idea of being a shrunken giant, down to like Dwarf size. Maybe you’re a one-off, maybe there could be an ancestry where you’re part of a community of reduced giants where you’re all under some sort of curse. Maybe there’s a restriction where your size can’t be increased by magic at all until the curse is lifted. Mechanically, Dwarf statistics probably would be the best bet, with a few tweaks (you should get or have access to better rock throwing, for example).

Great show! Interested in stone instinct barb

I think the party dynamic with a superstition barbarian could work well in a party with an alchemist (maybe an inventor if there is a good support flavour there). The alchemist's healing and elixirs are not magical in nature but instead based in Science! Especially if the party has both a cleric and an alchemist.

@mycatistypingthis5450

3 жыл бұрын

My barbarian is also the alchemist of the party (not superstition though).

I’ve been waiting for this. My goblin barbarian needed to see this

I love how you explained the rules like it's a barbarian game show

Suggestions. Add chapters, a score overview at the end, and keep the scores on screen once you say them until you move to the next subclass.

I played a Spirit instinct barbarian in Rose Street killer, and I absolutely cheesed that final battle so much I was expecting a part 2 because I thought it was a mini boss, not the real deal. It's super fun, and fits with several different ancestries' lore about ancestor interaction. I personally would give them a 10/10 for both flavor and fun factor

I have only been playing 2e for a few weeks now, but man, I want to make one of every class! I've never in my TTRPG history played a barbarian but that Draconic one is right up my alley. Love dragons.

Superstition wins, with a 16 out of 10! Lol In all seriousness though, the Superstition barbarian also has the noteworthy ability to heal a bit of HP once every ten minutes when they rage (in addition to the temp HP raging gives them). This could be deployed in combat but also out of combat, allowing the Superstition barbarian, from level 1 onward, to heal a little bit naturally every ten minutes without using magic or medicine checks, which is pretty neat.

@cajeb5396

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I roleplay it as their PTSD and trauma too lol. Thinking back to the fight/traumatic events. Anger, shaky hands, etc. Also, DMs don't be wary of allowing this. It's not imba bc Superstition Barbs lack some healing options and if it feels too strong, then you can always have an ambush happen and then the Barb has rage on cooldown

@anthonystraus4789

3 жыл бұрын

@@cajeb5396 Nice! That sounds like fantastic roleplay. Ya, it's not imbalanced because Champions can already heal themselves or others every ten minutes from level 1 and onward with Lay On Hands.

In D&D5e I played a minotaur ancestral guardians build. I wanted something that sounded similar so I went with Spirit instinct and it just so happened the module chosen was in Geb so that holy energy axe attack is wonderful

Sounds like the Fury Barbarian was modeled after Mr. Furious from Mystery Men...

As a fan of dragons and psychopomps, thank you for putting my two favs as your two highest ranked ones. If I can dual class, I will be either a Draconic Sorc/Spirit Barb or (preferably) Psychopomp Sorc/Dragon Barb. Alas, I don't like dual classing unless I'm playing in a small party.

I played a Giant Instinct goblin swinging a large size greataxe as a small character from 1 to 20, Age of Ashes campaign. My fellow party members might not have realized they were doing damage just fine, but when that greataxe crit pops up with all of the bonus damage doubled, the table cringed.

I don't think there's anything that's weak to Negative damage, but there is one kind of target it's really good against: Living creatures with resistance to physical damage.

My headcanon is that Nonat's hair are a living-breathing autonomous organism that tries to destroy the world .. which he needs to shorten every 4 to 6 months so that they're never powerful enough, and we should thank him for doing so instead of pointing out the change. In the name of this planet : thank you !

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Thank god, somebody figured it out. YOU'RE WELCOME.

I'm a minute into the video and giving you a thumbs up because I love your new scoring system.

To be completely fair to the Superstition Barbrian, Treat Wounds is just better than magical healing in the long term and it would make sense to assume your local Cleric might use their wisdom to pick up some of that

I just make Fury's DR count against all physical damage. That way it's the tankiest build and it's great. My personal favorite is Giant with the heavy damage and reach comboed with AoO. Superstition is totally playable if your group has an Alchemist, buys or finds potions of healing, or has a Medicine character willing to get feats and slap him with band-aids.

Obviously, the most powerful Barbarian is a beastkin catfolk animal Barbarian. Aka, a cat who can turn into a cat who can turn into a cat.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to take the druid archetype so you can wild form and gain cat claws during your cat form and cat rage!

I have to disagree with you on the superstition barbarian. There is plenty of healing outside of spells. Elixirs, treat wounds, battle medicine, a lot of ways to heal or even use utility potions, or elixirs. Magic doesnt need too be the main way healing happens.

I'm probably getting to play my first game of PF2e in the near future, and I picked a Draconic Institinct Barbarian. Specifically an Orc Changeling with the Slag May feat, so I have a claw attack that is both Cold Iron and Fire at level 1, and that informed a lot about the Orc's clan in the homebrew world we're playing in.

I’m late to this video but imagine being a giant instinct barbarian with the no escape feat, the fleet feat, the fast movement feat, and maybe some monk multi-classing to end up with a ridiculous movement speed as well as like 30 feet of reach with a great ax…..literally nobody is getting away

Hey Nonat you confused the dragon instinct anathema with the giant instinct anthema. Also the utility comes with the reach imagine tripping or shoving, or picking up attack of opportunity and using that from 20 feet away the giant instinct is a one man martial battlefield controller in addition to its high damage output. Love your videos.

@zenvariety9383

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that, but playing as an orc and taking the orc feats that make you hard to kill stacked with intimidating glare and diehard would be fun. Frightening the opponent to where they run away would stack with attack of opportunity. Not a player yet, but I so want to make a giant instinct orc barbarian who wants to take the test of the Starstone and become the first lawful good orc god.

@zzzman1985

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the synergy of giant/stature with Whirlwind Strike...

My group is talking about starting a new campaign, & everyone else wants to be caster. So I’m working with my GM to make a Leshy, deer Animal instinct, with the grasping reach so he can grapple at range. If no one is willing to cast “enlarge” on him then I’ll dip Druid to pickup a few spell slots.

my Superstitious Orc who is a Superstitious Barbarian thinks it is the best. i play it as a Priest of this panther goddess of War and Protection, with the Chosen One Archetype. 3rd option btw. 1: Leave the party 2: lose your powers. 3: kill the cleric for being the fool who came in between me and my god! he's a genuinely nice guy and i almost never rage...until someone casts a spell on him.

Fury barbarian is good if you really wanna archetype while keeping the barbarian benefits, like archetype into fighter, ranger, or dual weapon warrior. Also if your dm doesn't like using magic

@theworldevolved4288

2 жыл бұрын

Although it's kinda outclassed by a warrior oracle, cause you could just play an ancient elf for that first level fighter archetype, take a second level class feat to get a third focus point, then spam your class specific focus points to get your greater curse, basically giving a barbarian rage for the rest of the day, and you get full divine spell casting on top, slap some magic weapon, and later haste on that and you're golden

I’d like to go on record saying that at the same level Dragon Barbarians get to transform into a real Dragon, Giant Barbarians get to take Whirlwind Strike with a potential 25’ reach, meaning they can attack EVERY ENEMY WITHIN A 65’ DIAMETER CIRCLE AT ONCE. For context, with the increased Rage Damage and using a Trip Weapon like the War Flail, a Giant Barbarian becomes a whirling dervish of death and incapacitation, outputting damage per turn that makes even a Dragon Barbarian’s Breath Weapon look halfassed.

Do you do these for other classes. I haven't been able to find these on your channel. After ogl debacle my group is switch to 2e so we're trying to learn as much as possible

@Nonat1s

Жыл бұрын

I havent.....yet.

17:55 this feat actually does something, I have no idea what it does though It specifically states you transform as if a *3rd-level* animal form, which is a second level spell So clearly upcasting much do something right?!??

Fury is my favorite too! I'm just so mad I kill things good!

Nonat, what do you think would be the interaction between the animal instinct rage, the bonus damage and natural weapon, and a feat from the beastkin lvl 17 feat "animal shape"; and if he could use things like special actions from feats (because it says "which are the only attacks you can use" so I'm unsure how that would work).

@npaulagain

3 жыл бұрын

Having looked into it a lot. As written, the rage damage ONLY applies to the rage attack. Seems like they were worried about something breaking it. Probably should be looked at on a case by case benefit.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

That's a weird one. I'd ask your GM, but I think it'd be cool if you were in animal shape of a wolf, but barbarian raged to gain deer antlers. It specifically says "you gain your chosen animal's unarmed attack". This should theoretically work even if you're not in humanoid form.

The thing I greatly dislike about Animal is the fact that you can’t use weapons while raging. No access to thrown weapons for range if you need it, no reach weapons until Deer or Frog at level 7. But you also kinda probably should have a weapon, since you need something if Rage ever drops, or else invest in a race that has a natural weapon. Sure, there’s a lot of utility with the free hands and grapples and I’m sure it can be incredibly effective. But while the unarmed attacks you get are good, you also can’t easily change your mind, and switch from a grapple to a trip or shove weapon, or so forth. It loses on the fun factor for me because of that, although I can recognize that for other players, it has incredible potential and is perfect for them.

I have to admit I didn’t see the giant joke coming and I laughed out loud.

Reading the Superstition Instinct for the first time was so funny…like you just don’t really believe in this magic hooplah so it’s less effective to you

I have fury Dwarf. Who was expected to be a master crafter, as it was for all of his family and ancestors but cause of his anger problem, he just couldn't make it, becoming mad everytime he couldn't create something from the first try or when thing he created wasn't perfect. So he left his family and now is on the quest either to conquer his rage or as alternative, find a way to weave his rage into his craft.

Giant and superstition instinct are my two favorite for npcs. A little gnome, with polearm, that becomes a giant when it rages? Too damn good lol. And being an npc kinda mitigates the party troubles for the superstition. Your stone instinct sounds pretty awesome. I'm hoping they bring back the bloodrager as a class, or a subclass for barbarian

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

That's something I always fail to do! I never think of player options from an NPC perspective, but that's a really solid idea!

@cheezeofages

3 жыл бұрын

I once kinda played the rules a little loose and made the party interact with a giant with the instinct that of course swung a really immense weapon, but got smaller when he raged because he was normally larger. The party called him Norman because his name was Osburn.

@nickq8093

3 жыл бұрын

giant's my favourite instinct as well, but my barbarian didn't actually draw inspiration from the giant species at all. he was a Leshy that revered giant oak's. also yeah a superstition instinct barbarian trying to tear down the magical civilized world sounds like a really cool big bad.

I have a spirit barbarian that as in game flavour I use a spirit fusion with my dead brother to go in rage and my GM liked it so much, he's now letting me grab other spirits that give me different bonuses if I choose to use them.

Superstition instinct isn't an idea that Paizo Created from nothing. The very first Barbarian write up for AD&D (Dragon Magazine issue 63) described a character that eschewed magic and destroyed it when they could.

Superstition would be great in a big magic setting where you are trying to take out magic users

One of my ideas is a goblin with the Fire Giant instinct. He greatly admires their talent for smithing, and wishes to become as great as them some day. But now I'm amused by the idea that the little goblin flies into a rage in combat, and just expands to Large / Huge size!

If you plan on doing one of these one Bard, I'd love to help out. I'm... sort of obsessed with the class and have made a few* of them. *few meaning playing 3 or 4, but made over 40

You need to make a video about best pathfinder 2e classes but scientifically

The self plug is strong with this one :D

I think the Rankings are spot on. I also think that players will usually choose the fun factor over all. I personally like Fury and Giant Instinct best.

And Superstition wins in a blowout! Didn't see that coming. 16 out of 10 wipes the floor with the next closest Instinct at 28 out of 30.

My only disagreement would be the Superstition Instinct is the worst, mostly because it almost always will need homebrew to be playable. I feel like they could've made it where you hate two traditions, and are more ambivalent to the other two - allowing you to work with "some" casters. It would also add flavor because your story is focused on hunting down specific casters, which is huge story hook.

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I love what they're going for, but it's just too limiting. I can't imagine what happens when a Superstition Barbarian shows up in Organized Play.

Nonats can you do a sorcerer over view?

Yeah, but do you get item bonuses while using Dragon Transformation??

Don't underestimate the defensive and tactical possibilities of Animal Instinct. Free hand for a shield can be huge, the other for grabs and shoves and trips and disarms,, and those reach attacks... fantastic.

Superstition 16/10. Paizo please nerf, lol

A bit late... and I'm not sure if it was brought up (and if not then why not) but wouldn't the Giant instinct be really strong with attacks of opportunity due to the extra reach? Getting attacks of opportunity on everything in a 10-20 feet radius does sound very strong mechanically, am I missing something?

the superstition fun factor is a lot higher imho, i mean a party that has one is one of the parties that does not use a cleric or magic healer but in stead uses an alchemist or skill healer and then its a pretty solid subclass,

@JamesTillmanjimthegray

3 жыл бұрын

though animal is my fav, i made lord grayson "tarzan" as one :)

Now the ranking I really want to see is them as dedications, cause honestly I would not play a barb. I'm sure to use them as a dedication from other martials though. I used giant for my reach weapon fighter, because it fit what I was already doing. I'm curious to see what other people would use for different builds as a dedication.

Idk what it was about this vid but I just noticed your fang. Kinda wish I had large fangs for doing my dhampir. :(

Easiest house rule for the Superstition Instinct: make it only anathema if spells cast on the barbarian are of one of the two sources picked for resistance. Then you just don't pick divine, and you'll be fine.

Superstition Barbarian should have gotten an ability like the 1e "Eater Of Magic".

I played a Human Barbarian with Giant instinct in Extinction Curse (up to level 20). It's kinda boring because you just strike most of the time (until Nonat1s said to feint, intimidate or recall knowledge). But I have to say, this class is essential in a party. I took Toughness and Mountain Stoutness (via Adopted Ancestry). I had 376 HP at max level. For class feat, I'll say Sudden charge is very useful to close in to enemies. Reckless Abandon is super nice because you will be doing a lot of crits. Finally, a must have class feat- Attack of Opportunity. With my Large size from Giant stature, I get to hit more enemies. For weapon, it can be anything but use a Speed Rune for an extra attack. Telluric Power also helped me dish out a lot of damage.

Superstition Barb.

It seems to me like a very smooth homebrew for Superstition Barbarian would be for it's anathema against allied magic to only apply to the two Traditions you chose for Resistance. A barbarian that is opposed to Arcane and Occult magic but has no issue with Divine and Primal seems totally on-flavor to me.

Can we get one for clerics?

Great video, I rate it 16 out of 10!

@Nonat1s

3 жыл бұрын

I knew I'd screw up that text SOMEWHERE in the video. The curse of being a one-man team right now 😂

@DarthAramith

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nonat1s Also the best part of the giant aspect is being a small or tiny PC walking around with a large weapon at lvl 1.

So im a FromSoftware fan right. For the Dragonic Instinct Barbarian, the DM allowed me to reflavour my breath weapon to a devasting thunderbolt that is thrown down the line rather than a breath weapon.

I don’t often agree with everything you say even though I do like your videos… This particular video I pretty much agree with everything you said I thought you were spot on

17:30 I wanna play an Automaton barbarian that takes the Hunter heritage and the Animal subclass, basically just play as a hulking robotic creature that stalks its prey like a metal tiger or wolf or dragon.

"You are not in my brain. I'm going to fix that." -Nonat

You didn't mention or consider the fact that the superstition barbarian heals true HP when they rage on top of the normal temp HP, it completely makes up for the fact that you aren't allowed to be cast on.

My newest campaign, we have no magic buffers/healers, and I am playing a barbarian. Too bad I had already decided to play an animal barbarian, before the rest of the group had decided what to do. So I'm in the ONE group where the Superstition barbarian is pretty good, but I wanted to be a spiny gnoll :B

Fury is a great instinct for multiclassing if you're a Barbarian imo.

I'd give giant instinct more for flavour but I am biased with Amiri's backstory and Kingmaker story, being haunted by a frost giant. Animal (monke) instinct are just super sayans. Also, raging thrower is really nice in correct circumstance

I’m late here, but I’ve been playing as a giant instinct barbarian, scar hold orc for max hp, and I’ve been having a blast as a paper tank. Lol! I get crit all over but I often crit for the BIG damage.(unless I roll minimum on my weapon dice.. then I sorta back up, and cry.)😂 Needless to say it’s been a blast, but I’m only level 6. And I didn’t take the giant stature feat yet cuz it’s just sooo… bad? +5 attack range for a momentary size increase. It’s not that bad… but it’s not great. If it allowed you to be large at all times even when not raging, I’d be all over the feat. In short, I think there are some mechanics holding the giant instinct back from the hights I know it could reach.